Love Victor premieres this weekend on Hulu

Actually premieres at midnight but is already streaming in a Twitter "watch party"

Let's accept this as a win for our representation and stop putting puritan tests to everything. We gotta win wherever , whenever

Well one purity tests it fails is like the movie they cast a straight actor as the lead r2.

Yay, more straight actors playing gay characters.

I mean I'll watch it, but still...

The lead is cute as fuck!

The straights are onto that criticism so they now either refuse to answer the question or pull a Lucas Hedges "I am a kinsey 1.5 because I once got boner at summer camp when I was wrestling with a friend even though I have never actually had any sexual contact with another guy in my life" so technically he isnt straight and you are actually biphobic for even asking him such an impertinent question. He and his publicist hit a home run with that story and Ellen was more than happy to give him a minute or so to explain the mystery of sexuality as a spectrum in a not very convincing run on sentence on her show. He was even less convincing in interviews after trying to square that circle but it did the job.

My point is their agents and managers now have a way to deflect that criticism without tainting them with Hollywoods homo career killing curse.

PS - I actually think Lucas was shading the truth and he probably has had sex or a relationship with a guy but still thought he had a shot for male roles that involve sex or intimacy with women (like the teenage boy screwing his girlfriend and having awkward conversations with his uncle Matt Damon about it in Manchester by the Sea). I thought that he was good in that role but he seemed uncomfortable with the sex scenes for whatever reason. He was much more convincing as the closeted drama teen in Ladybird - I got a little misty eyed when he finally broke down in tears and told her he was gay and then they were gal pals after that...

Probably an unpopular opinion, but everyone is too pretty. It looks like a CW show through an Instagram filter.

The “kids” in the film were a little more believable-looking and relatable.

I hate shit like this, but it's not aimed at me anyway. isn't this for the Pittsville High Gay Straight Queer Alliance crowd? what do fraus have to do with it??

Michael Cimino has been talking about how his cousin is gay r6.

[quote]"I was really drawn to the role because my cousin's gay and I really wanted to kind of be that voice he didn't have, and for the other kids who are or were in his position," he explained.

Not to sound jaded, but this show looks like it aiming at teenage yoai-lovers and fraus.

Actually all teens, teen girls in particular are okay with this.

In blue America, gay is increasingly like being left handed--not a big deal. (Red Murica, OTOH....)

Women like cute gay male characters because they are not competing with another woman for their affection. Hence the many, many, many frau-fueled threads on DL about actors the frauen think are gay (Chalamet-Hammer) because they played gay roles.

Gays who think "being gay" = being a ProMo (Professional Homosexual) and living in WeHo and screaming "Slay Queeen Slay!!!!' or bragging about their superior decorating skills are turned off by this and don't view it as "authentically gay"

Everyone else is like "finally!"

Another boring ass movie about boring ass useless twinks.

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Any dongs presented?

Just asking for my grandmom.

So has no one started watching it yet?

Just watched the first ep, it's exactly what you expect it will be for better or worse. Pleasant enough watching.

And I am not even trying to hate on actress that plays Mia, but she is supposed to be playing the hottest girl in school? Umm.

The movie was dreadful.

I have no interest in watching a movie about a young gay person coming out when the lead actor is straight. This movie is for young girls.

Thought this came out Friday. Will have to start watching I guess.

Been reading that apparently most of the season has the "gay" main character trying to get with that Mia girl or something? Also that the straight lead actor sucks at intimacy with guys, like Kevin from Riverdale.

No thanks.

I just watched the first episode and I think the actor playing Victor overacts in his initial scenes with guys. He seems to swoon at every guy he meets (plus Mia) and I don’t think it supposed to come across that way...

But he’s cute and the show is definitely going a different route than “Simon.” This season was filmed for Disney+ and is only rated TV-14, so it’s definitely for the kids, but next season is all Hulu. It won’t be Euphoria but it won’t be held back by being on a platform aimed at families.

So you guys object to a straight guy playing a gay guy, but are probably all for gay guys playing straight guys. Hypocritical?

I've watched the first couple now and it is true that it starts off focusing on the lead trying to date a girl r19, his male love interest is on the backburner.

Also I get it is a device to connect it to the movie, but the idea that Simon is off in college and attentively replying to this kid who blows up his DMs several times a day makes me laugh.

One thing I noticed is that the actor who plays Victor's friend Felix kind of reminds me of Dylan O'Brien. Or at least he just reminds me of Stiles.

The dorky, hyperactive best friend is a well worn trope r23. Whether it is Seth in The OC or Stiles in Teen Wolf.

That's true R24

[Quote]I just watched the first episode and I think the actor playing Victor overacts in his initial scenes with guys

He is not a great actor, obviously still pretty green.

[quote]Any dongs presented?

Certainly yes, R13, the highly dongful frontalism one expects from mainstream US-born films about shy gay teens. You'll be struck by the casually frank servicing of the football team by Victor's buddy Nicky, while Victor guards the door to the gang showers wearing the [italic]Taxi zum Klo[/italic] t-shirt he shoplifted from a thrift shop in the big city.

Few episodes in, and I wish they'd drop the whole Mia subplot. I mean, I know kids struggle with their sexuality but I just want him to get with a guy.

I watched the few first episodes. I like it, but they could have cast someone better for Victor's mom. Ana Ortiz is annoying as fuck.

OK, why do they go with the Simon isn’t in the city the weekend Victor spontaneously decides to take a bus there to NYC only have him show up at the end of the night? Was it just to build tension if Nick Robinson was going to show up at all, or did they have such limited time with him that was one of the few ways they could cut down his scenes? And I must say he looked like he’s really aged since making the movie, like now he’s late 20s.

The whole Mia subplot ruins the series.

Grade: D-

Just a few minutes in and I'm loving it already. And Ana Ortiz will always have a special place in my heart for her roles in Ugly Betty and Deviant Maids.

Same R22. The only way I would've given 2 shits about getting DMs from some random kid from my high school when I was in college would be is if I was trying to get some on winter break.

The guys are cute and the story is sweet.

I've only seen the first 4 episodes and I have say...I LOVE IT! This show is so much different than Love Simon. It's actually funny! Yeah. It's kiddie but what did you expect from Disney. Also, Michael Cimino is a better more charismatic lead than Nick Robinson. Although I am a Nick fan, I have to admit that he bombed in some scenes -most rememberable the "I Like Your Boots" scene. CRINGE!

I agree that the actress playing Mia the most popular girl in school probably should be more a Miss Teen USA type although her portrayer is fairly attractive. I just can't understand why Mia is so popular when she acts more like a loner.

The romantic rival is...not cute.

And the awkward best friend is no Adam Brody on The OC.

R34 The "I like your boots" scene was SUPPOSED to be cringe. He was trying to flirt and failed miserably.

[Quote] The dorky, hyperactive best friend is a well worn trope

It's played out at this point.

OMG I can’t get pass the first episode because it’s so sanitized and begging you to like it I thought ugh the I would come to DL and you guys would outdoor be ripping it to shreds. I’m shocked that more than one person likes its. BTW I loved the movie and Nick.

I thought I would come to DL and you guys would be ripping it to pieces. What is the name victor’s father calls him?

R39 It sounded like he called him Macho?

I honestly like it more than the movie. The movie was more sanitized IMO

I'm glad I got through the first episode. The writing definitely improves but you can tell it was originally made for Disney+

R42 I'm a bit surprised at the language and heavy petting and the drag show. Disney+, you hussy!

OMG. The second I gave the show a second chance I loved it.

I think I was mad because I read Nick Robinson who I loved in movie was going to narrate the series like he did the in movie then I realized how Nick was going to be in the show.

Now my only complaint is the music not being up to par with the movie.

On the final episode. Benji the Barista's boyfriend is REALLY not cute

The actor playing Victor has a beautiful face and eyes but I don’t think he has what it takes to be a movie star.

I put it on subtitles and his father calls him flaco which means skinny. Yes I have no life.

Wow! This show once again this show surprises me. Call Me Maybe a new gay anthem.

My favorite gay TV character ever is Patrick Brewer on Schitt's Creek and he was played by a straight guy.

Mekhi Phifer got old and fat!

I assumed Victor was an ethnic reworking of Simon. Are they supposed to be penpals or something?

Does it have trans women of color in it???? What about NB representation????

I swear, if not all the roles are played by pink-haired, badly tattooed genderqueer pansexuals, this show is literally responsible for all the 10,000 trans women of color who are killed EVERY SINGLE DAY!!!

WHY DO THEY MAKE SHOWS ABOUT GAY MEN WHEN WE KNOW THAT WHITE GAY MEN ARE LITERALLY WORSE THAN HITLER AND THE HOLOCAUST TOGETHER? THEY KILL TRANS PEOPLE EVEN MORE THAN JK ROWLING! TRANS LIVES MATTER!

I was almost more interested in Lake and Felix getting together than anything with Victor and Benji. This is probably because Bebe Wood has apparently decided to make her career as a supporting player in shows about the gays.

Also, am I the only one who wants to climb Victor's father like a tree?

R51 = Greg Berlanti

You must be young into daddies. Most of us aren’t.

I know it’s a TV show, but everyone at this school is so creepily overinvolved in Victor’s life. Also, like two days into being at a new school and he’s on the basketball team, got invited to a house party, has the attention of the popular gay guy and the popular girl and is handed a job he didn’t even finish applying for.

This is giving me Pose vibes — a show that is completely averse to putting its characters through any real adversity.

I haven't had time to watch it yet, but the lead is very cute (who cares if the actor is straight as long as he plays relatively convincingly), and it's a mainstream-ish show about a gay (bisexual?) teenager, so that's a tiny step forward. It's probably not perfect, but I'll take a show like Love, Victor over any TV show that is not explicitly about LGBT characters any day.

Hopefully, I'll manage to binge it on the weekend.

[quote]Hopefully, I'll manage to binge it on the weekend.

It's VERY bingeable, because the episodes are only 30 minutes. I managed to finish it off even on a workday.

Interview about the show's move from Disney+++ to Hulu.

Though I wouldn't call space cowboy Star Wars show The Mandalorian a child friendly show (with all the killing and shooting). Sad that Disney's still stuck on that "gore and murder is fine, but two dudes kissing? No bueno!" bandwagon.

Fleco?

[quote]Though I wouldn't call space cowboy Star Wars show The Mandalorian a child friendly show (with all the killing and shooting). Sad that Disney's still stuck on that "gore and murder is fine, but two dudes kissing? No bueno!" bandwagon.

Do the gay characters on High School Musical: The Musical: The Series kiss?

r58 Tumblrs been pointing out the difference between shows with gay characters from Disney's Andi Mack get together on benches, and how the ones on Hulu do it. And yeah. You can certainly tell the difference.

Any nudity?

I don't mind it so much r28. I think because it resonates with me. I dated a girl in highschool even though part of me knew I was gay. You almost want to believe that maybe you aren't gay, and it does get your family and friends off your back.

I would assume a lot of gays can relate to it.

Are the voiceovers at the end of episode 6 and the beginning of episode 7 continuity errors? In the former, Simon says that it seems like Victor has realized he isn’t attracted to Mia after the failed hookup, but in the latter, Simon is asking how everything went and if they fucked. Just wondering if I missed something...

It looks unbearably Berlanti, basic and twee.

I thought Simon was pathetic and shitty to his friends in LOVE, SIMON when it wasn't just painting by high-school romance cliches. So I'm going to have to PASS.

CW soap opera milquetoast.

I'm not watching a show about a gay teen trying to turn straight.

Not watching conversion therapy propaganda.

You know he is not going to wind up straight, so your little hissy fit argument is not convincing

Fuck off, , or other "Fluidity" propaganda spreader.

In reality, a cute guy visiting NYC for the first time and staying with a gay couple in college would've ended up spitroasted. I'd have 0 interest in chatting with a kid from my high school, that I didn't even know, if I weren't trying to get some. I had parties to go to in college.

It's sweet though.

Thrift shop dress up montage, it’s no Julia Roberts in Pretty Woman, but it does get points.

It's quite a quick binge. 10 episodes and each is less than 30 minutes.

It's very nice. Felix is the new Stiles (from Teen Wolf). Love that goofy sidekick.

The scenes where you see Nick's face (in the episode where Victor goes to New York) must've been filmed on a different day than the ones in the club. The guy entering the club with Victor is a stand-in for sure. You don't see Nick with the other actors in the club together in any frame.

Of course, Tommy Dorfman is a guest star. It's not a gay teen drama show without him showing up at some point. LOL. Joke aside. Love that guy.

I thought the show made a good point that you never find the right moment to come out to your friends and family individually. And the timing really sucked with Mia.

I think George Sear, as Benji, is cute enough. Lucas Gage, who played Benji's boyfriend, on the other hand looked like a bloated corpse. What was up with that?

[quote]It looks unbearably Berlanti, basic and twee.

Berlanti has nothing to do with this.

R72 Yet Nick Robinson gets a producer credit on the show, I would be interested in knowing how that was worked out?

[Quote] Yet Nick Robinson gets a producer credit on the show, I would be interested in knowing how that was worked out?

Let me tell you about ALICE.

Ellen got a producer credit on the TV show R74?

r73, it was probably one of his demands to be part of the project.

[Quote] Ellen got a producer credit on the TV show [R74]?

She would have but she wanted the bigger fee. If she'd taken a smaller fee with a part ownership of the property, she'd have made money on the TV show. Most movies don't get hit TV spin offs of course.

When I saw the credit I also thought what’s up with that? Many people get an executive producer credit but only a few people just get a producer credit. According to IMDb Chris was busy before the crisis.

I love the cast especially the mother. My only complaint Mia and Benji being hotties are a slight problem. Both very good looking and talented but very short. The way you talked about Benji’s boyfriend you would think he was hideous. He’s okay.

The show is all about couples but my favorite is Felix and Lake. Yes it is a soap opera but a good one with cliffhangers that make you want to binge. I should have gone to work today instead I’m going to watch whole season.

I looked up fleco I think it means skinny. I also looked up tres leches. I want one. Does it come in chocolate?

Mash the movie came out in 1970 the series in 1972. Alice came out in 1974. Dumb move, Ellen.

Sorry I’m all alone and have too much time of their hands.

From the IMDB triva page:

Actress Johnny Sequoyah was initially cast as Mia but the character was recast and she was replaced by Rachel Hilson.

Did anyone else have trouble following the jump from him looking at ticket prices, to suddenly being in an apartment in NY full of strangers? I rewound a few times thinking I missed something, but it was the same. He's looking at prices, episode ends, then he's in NYC in an apartment full of people he doesn't know, with no explanation of why Nick isn't there. It wasn't until later when Nick runs into him on the street and explains why he wasn't there. Also, I know most of us probably got into clubs when we were underage, but that part was stretching believability a bit.

I just noticed her name is Rachel Hilson. R80

The dad's girlfriend is played by Rachel Bilson.

Funny coincidence.

r81, I believe you missed the pre credit scenes from the NY episode. He texts Simon and enters a bus driving him to NY. When he arrives he gets the news that Simon's away.

I wish I didn’t have to avoid spoilers by avoiding Datalounge but I thought this show was just a sitcom without spoilers. I didn’t think it would be that good.

I think the actress playing Mia is very good but she looks looks more like the sweet pretty girl next door than the most popular girl in school.

[quote] The dad's girlfriend is played by Rachel Bilson.

No, the girlfriend is played by Sophia Bush.

Ooops R85, you are correct. I'm also R81. My sleeping pill must have been kicking in around then.

Thanks R83. I think my sleeping pill must have kicked in around then.

Always good to see Ana Ortiz. I missed her since Ugly Betty.

Is Minka Kelly in this? Or Leighton Meester?

Lucas Gage is also in the gay slasher episode Midnight Kiss from Hulu's Into The Dark.

Not to mention in HBO's Euphoria.

You missed a part, R81. There's a whole sequence of him riding the bus to NY and Simon texting him about being on his cousin's bachelor party but having sent Bram instead. Bram welcomes him at the bus station, and they go to the apartment together.

Andrew (Mason Gooding) is the son of Cuba Gooding Jr and Julia Louis-Dreyfuss’s son Charlie Hall plays Kieran.

I didn’t see when Andrew overheard the truth about Victor

There better be a second season or I’m going to cut a bitch.

It was fluff, it was light, it was definitely targeted at young kids in high school and yet I enjoyed it. I think Michael Cimino is beyond adorable. And he is 20 in real life. In fact, I liked the cast pretty much. Hated the parents, but the kids were fine. The guy who plays Benji reminded me of a young Michael Pitt. His entrance was cool. Victor is standing there first day of school, and ba zingo!

I think making him Latinx and most likely Catholic and I guess Southern and from Texas was a good call in him having a more layered complications in coming out than white boy Simon had. And I’m glad they included the scenes with the Grandfather freaking out about Benji and his boyfriend at then party and even the father’s last minute quip about the little brother. Those actually made some tension and fear of coming out for him. He is a modeled as the best little boy in the world, which I feel we haven’t seen in a gay protagonist in awhile upping the ante.

Mason Gooding is so hot

The son of Julia Louis-Dreyfuss, Charlie Hall, plays the tall kid Kieran.

[quote]The way you talked about Benji’s boyfriend you would think he was hideous. He’s okay.

I don't think he is a bad looking guy, but he does look old, is he supposed to be a highschooler?

I just finished the ep where Victor runs from hooking up with Mia. So Benji and his guy have been dating a year and he is just now realizing that he is a free spirit ho' that doesn't care about serious relationships? A year is a long time, in real life they would have already had the conversation where he says he doesn't believe in monogamy a couple months in.

Tyler Glenn of Neon Trees performs the theme song for this show

Have to say that the show ended better than I was expecting. Still think we could've done without so much Victor/Mia plot, but it just added more drama to the finale. I actually kinda hoped that Benji and Victor wouldn't get together since that was so cliche and expected.

R97 He's the one who enjoys being pussy whipped and admits it to his team mates right?

I just got there r64. And yes, I was very confused. Can't believe they let that get through.

Gotta say that Nick Robinson looked weird in the episode he showed up in. Was probably the hair but the outfit also looked a bit off.

So They're going to do a Season 2? Michael Cimino is 20. I suspect when the next season airs he will have matured in his looks. The kid is hot as fuck.

So did Simon and his boyfriend both go to NYU? Was that something that was hinted at during the end if the movie?

Loved the twist in the NY episode about how Simon managed to support Victor texting to him the right words all this time. Family, indeed. Loved the whole roommates situation.

Does the show make the Emmy deadline? The recent announcement of each category having 8 slots it be maybe able to sneak in for Best writing, Best Series and I was impressed with entire cast but the standouts are the mother and Mia even though didn’t like her subplot.

Oh honey r107. EMMYS?!

This is more of a teen's choice awards contender.

One of the straight actors playing gay needs to win an award. It's expected.

Please tell me its not full of pandering to trannies. Everything “gay” now has to include at least one of them....sick of it

R89 they're not the same person??

The closest was a non-binary character in the New York episode R110

I try to support any gay programming -- no matter how bad it is -- so, yes, I will watch.

Hence me bringing up the new 8 nominees in each category 108. I know most people thought it was kid’s stuff but I liked it.

I’m all for diversity if it’s well cast and well written. A group of friends must have one of each including transgender. All couples are 99 % interracial. Love Victor was perfectly cast. I liked the actress playing Mia very much but I wonder why the first one cast was replaced.

Someone upthread said the father was a hot daddy but I looked at him close I bet he isn’t that old. I hate it when someone has a great face and hides it with a beard.

I have to say this show reminds me of both the reboot of One Day at a Time and Party of Five in that they reengineered it with Latinx, but I don’t especially get the feel that there are real Latinx show runners or dominant writers in the writing room. What do others think? And also for that matter how well are gays represented in either of those two groups? I’d feel better if Nick Robinson was actually gay for earning his producer credit or that Greg was still an executive producer.

I never watched the new versions ODAAT or POF but this show I thought to myself the characters of the family reminded me of Latinos I work with.

It is all well and good to and good to want to hire Hispanics and gays behind the scenes but that doesn’t always mean the best will get hired. A good writer would do research.

R116 i didn't bother watching either, but the Party Of Five reboot got cancelled after one season

r115 If they are they probably don't used Latinx as an identifier - in a recent poll most of Latinos/Hispanics most didn't even know what the term meant and preferred Hispanic or Latino (or Latina). The new term is overwhelmingly used by white college kids as it developed in academia first and is common in college settings. You can tell it came out of a small segment of academia and who knows if it eventually displaces the traditional gendering in Romance languages. I don't really have a problem with it because it does solve an actual problem and isn't just some PC annoyance - it come in handy if you constantly have to used Latino/Latina concatenations but it isn't something that developed organically from that population. Hispanic seems to have almost replaced Latino/a in many communities (Chicano is more of a historical reference at this point though it is still used by some Mexican Americans who came of age in the 60s) so Latinx may be a short term solution to a problem that solves itself.

Count me in as one of those surprised by how delightful this actually is. I just finished episode 8 and it really couldn’t be a more perfect example of how to do a TV spinoff of a movie right. I guess Nick Robinson got a nice pay day with that producer credit in exchange for coming back. As someone said, the “twist” about his advice coming from a family of gays was quite moving.

Also the “Lock her up” joke when the family is playing Monopoly made me laugh HARD.

R118 One can bet that while they may have some Latinx writers, it’s unlikely that they are Colombian American ones. I wonder why that particular ethnic/cultural background was chosen. If I remember correctly I think Michael’s family is from the PR. I don’t know about the other actors in the family?

Does Cimino at least appear shirtless?

All three of Simon’s love interests in the film were played by gay actors. Are there any out gays in this at all?

Technically Keiynan doesn't identify as gay, even though he's gay as fuck. R122

R123 Miles Heizer has never identified as gay either, but that means nothing.

Just finished it and it was a pleasant watch. Sorta the perfect escape for these days. But the continuity is a mess! Mia plans a Friday night date for them to have sex. Victor runs into Felix who says it’s Friday night and that’s when he and his mom play Cataan. Cut to beginning of the next episode and Victor is talking to Mia by her locker in a bustling school hallway and says “I’m sorry about last night.” So I guess Atlanta has school on Saturday...?

Except for the fact that they had the episode with Saturday detention where Lake was complaining about being at school on a Saturday.

Yeah, there were a lot of times where the timeline didn’t gel, like Mia’s party was on a school night? And when they take the espresso machine in on Saturday to be fixed, they’re going to be able to just pick it up on Sunday without making any special arrangements, or Benji hearing the guy say “why didn’t you come get it last night?“ And the bus ride to and from Atlanta fitting into one weekend? They should have made it a least a Monday holiday weekend or the start of spring break to make it plausible.

[quote]"I was really drawn to the role because my cousin's gay and I really wanted to kind of be that voice he didn't have, and for the other kids who are or were in his position," he explained.

Ugh, another straight guy who thinks it's more important he speaks for us than allowing us to have our own voice. I'd have more respect if he was actually honest and just said it was about the money and a career-step.

Agree with r17 & r128. We don't need breeders acting as one of us anymore.

R128 and R129, give the guy a break. Jesus Christ.

Maybe he’s just trying to say the right thing. Maybe he does care about the message and doesn’t know that so many tired and angry DLers don’t want breeders like him acting as one of them.

You’re just ridiculous.

[quote] We don't need breeders acting as one of us anymore.

They are called allies, and they should be allowed to speak in favor of us. There are more than enough bigots out there who think they can demonize us. Or you can just wait until Miles Heizer and Froy Guiterrez come out and decide to speak for "you" in particular.

I don't think it's just ridiculous to want to see a gay actor given a starring role. Hollywood invests in straight actors or actors who present as straight. It's time for change.

[Quote] They are called allies, and they should be allowed to speak in favor of us.

Did he speak in favor of us before he got the gig?

Miles Heizer is out. He's in one of the few confirmed in the media relationships between two male actors.

Don’t get me wrong I love male nudity in my gay entertainment but in Love Victor it wasn’t needed. The actor playing Victor is very handsome but he does look 16. Someone said he is 18 so I guess it’s okay to lust after him. In the credits he is walking wearing wearing a tank top looking sexy but I don’t recall that scene in the series.

I must have missed that part with the roommates are all giving Victor advice. Even though it’s only one that is a common theme among recent gay movies to have a bunch of drag queens to act like fairy godmothers to coming out young gay man. I don’t care. I’m not going to nick pick I loved it and hope it runs for a long time and it makes Nick Robinson a lot of money. He deserves it.

We are going to have a long time to ponder this but how do you think his mother and father will react? I suspect not very well and Victor will be living with his best friend and his hoarder mother who conveniently live next door.

[quote] Did he speak in favor of us before he got the gig?

Would you have cared about some nobody using "the gays" to get attention?

[quote] I must have missed that part with the roommates are all giving Victor advice.

Simon explains to Victor, in front of the club, how his roomates helped him what to write to Victor. One example he gives is Justin (Dorfman) and his Christian background.

[Quote] Would you have cared about some nobody using "the gays" to get attention?

A high schooler who has the balls to speak up as an ally could be dismissed as an attention seeker? Not by me. An actor promoting their gig is a different story.

Funny how a few people didn’t like his looks on this show but the actor playing Derek had a big part in Hulu’s tv series/gay movie Into The Dark/ Midnight KISS was the best looking actor on that and very sexy.

He has a character actor face. It's not a bad thing.

He and Keiynan are... close?

There is a lot of homophobia in Hollywood. Many straight or gay actors think if they play gay it will hurt their career. Harry Hamlin thinks his career was hurt by Making Love. I think he is wrong. Was he as successful as Tammy? No but he has worked pretty consistently afterwards. Take Jake and Heath. Heath with his performance in Brokeback and even with Nicholson and Oscar winning Phoenix playing the character he will always be the ultimate Joker. Jake has also done some interesting things and is playing a Marvel villain. Still people think playing gay hurts their careers. Also gay men think they will not be the most successful acting job they can get the leading man roles. Women gays are another story. Women kissing women is a big turn on. Men not so much

When the father says he hopes his son isn’t gay that rang true I remember I was talking to a group of straight men who didn’t know I was gay( more than 10 years ago) one of them acted like if his son was gay that would be the worst thing.

R142, it’s not 1981 or 2006 anymore.

That is my point. In my opinion in terms of straight men playing gay the majority of Hollywood think like it is 1981 or 2006.

That Marvel film we heard they were going to hire a gay actor to play a gay character. Richard Madden was hired. We will see how that works out.

[quote]That Marvel film we heard they were going to hire a gay actor to play a gay character. Richard Madden was hired. We will see how that works out.

Madden's not playing the gay character. There are two, one played by Brian Tyree Henry and another played by Haaz Sleiman. I'm not sure if the former is gay (although he doesn't appear to be confirmed straight either) but the latter is out.

Not only as gay but as a bottom.

Playing gay isn’t a big deal in 2020 and enhances one’s profile and credibility. Being openly gay is another matter

I wish they had made more than 10 episodes, the story is just getting started…

Bad thing about streaming you have to wait a year or more for new episodes.

Mason Gooding is hot AND a good actor. Despite being the son of a famous person, he actually deserves a big career.

Isn't he a bit strange on his social media? He insta storied his ass.

He is so my type

R151 He and Michael Cimino have a major bromance on social media.

Showing his ass is a bad thing???? Father like son. Link please.

[Quote] Showing his ass is a bad thing????

No. But the pic I saw was like something a messy drunk bottom would send on Grindr.

The gay teen media I remember from being 15 was Willow from Buffy and Jack from Dawson's Creek. A show like this at that edge would've meant the world to me. I especially like how every character is being developed, and not just as props for the main character.

[quote]I suspect not very well and Victor will be living with his best friend and his hoarder mother who conveniently live next door.

My prediction is that since Victor's parents are getting a divorce, the dad will move out. The mom will a tiny bit of tolerance and will allow Victor to keep living in the apartment, but things will be tense. I can see a situation in which the dad doesn't talk to Victor for awhile.

My "gay character" was Danny Roberts on re-runs of the New Orleans season of "The Real World."

My gay character was that great gay storyline on One Life To Live that my asshole father ruined the ending of.

I thought the two sidekicks were really good. Bebe Wood was charming and I really liked the nerdy friend, who apparently was solely been relegated to soap operas before this.

Doesn’t the mother have a gay TV son from another series? Is she being typecast?

That little fella is so pretty if he hasn't been hit on by a guy my name ain't Prissy.

R161 Yes, Ana Oritz played the mother of gay little Justin on Ugly Betty! At her age (almost 50), who cares about type-casting as long as she gets work.

Here's another interview with Ana about her role.

I think the father will demand custody of the adorable younger brother.younger brother will be totally cool with Victor and there will be a scene with them hugging as witnessed by daddy who looks on disapprovingly thinking gay is contagious. The season will be mostly a custody fight with Victor being gay making his mom and dad troubles worse. The last episode just before the judge makes the decision it will be fade to black. I hope I’m wrong.

Nah, the next season will be about him becoming the never mentioned "son" to a Republican Congressman, with the final episode being their teary interview on Fox News

R166 This is why I come to DL. A+ Comment.

They should get an entirely new cast for next season, and just do a different gay boy every year.

I wish Gooding’s character was bi

I actually thought they'd make him a closeted jock and the reason he was so interested in Victor and Mia's relationship was that he had a crush on Victor. R169

R168 Victor's and his family's story hasn't been milked dry yet, but that's not a bad idea to continue the series further in the future.

R168 it’s an okay idea, but only if future seasons move away from the same archetypes and tropes. So far the show has a lot of 1:1 analogues with the movie

So is the Benji guy Gay in real life? Is anyone in the fucking series gay besides the guy who plays Simon and his NYC friends?

R173 The actor who plays Simon (Nick Robinson) is not gay. The guy who plays his boyfriend is.

With the exception of a few guest actors in episode 8, there are no gay actors on this show. It’s written by straight people, for straight people.

If that's true I honestly find that insulting r174. How can you make a show like this and only have a bunch of straight guys running around the set without any representation by the group you are supposed to be championing?!

Love Simon had a straight lead, but they did make sure to surround him with a lot of gay actors at least.

I wish Nick Robinson was gay. ¡Qué lástima!

R173 From what I can see he's straight. I didn't even know that he was British though.

R174 Supposedly, according to articles about 'Midnight Kiss', Lukas Gage is gay.

R178 If he is gay, he’s never publicly identified as such.

It’s so shitty that there are some very talented out gay actors that are struggling to get roles - Joey Pollari comes to mind - because they “can’t play straight,” and yet ALL of the gay roles go to straight actors.

R180 not for nothing, Joey Pollari was in the movie.

That Victor actor is gay. He’ll come out.

I wonder how his girlfriend will react R182

Name one other minority group where they should make a show based on them without having any members from that group among the cast.

If Victor were a trans character played by a non trans actor, GLAAD would be up in arms.

Can I tell you something that might help you feel better? Or not. My father loves the movie Patton. So every Memorial Day when we get together for a family picnic, we end up watching it. I had no idea that the 761st Tank Battalion was an all Black division under Patton's command and they fought in Europe under him? Like the scenes in the movie where he is marching to the rescue of the 101st Airborne, those soldiers? Were all Black?

Here's another example: Oliver Stone made a movie about the World Trade Center Attack on 9/11, and the cops and people who survived...or not. Specifically there were two cops who were pinned down under the rubble, (One was Nicholas Cage) and thru some quirky miracle, some guy traveled to NYC to help, and he went down there and found them and rescued them.

So what, right? Well, in the movie, the guy is white. But in real life, this actually happened and he was a veteran and he was BLACK. So I hate how we get erased and ignored and other people think they can be us. But we aren't the only ones and it happens all the fucking time.

[quote]It’s written by straight people, for straight people.

Hell, the book the film was based on was written by a straight woman. Which made it hilarious when social media people were arranging "queer only" screenings of the film.

[quote]So what, right? Well, in the movie, the guy is white. But in real life, this actually happened and he was a veteran and he was BLACK. So I hate how we get erased and ignored and other people think they can be us. But we aren't the only ones and it happens all the fucking time.

But if that happened today there'd be outrage. But not for gay people.

There was even an actor who joined in calls that disabled roles should be played by disabled actors - and who then took gay roles in film and television without anyone pointing out the shittiness of him standing for one minority group and then screwing over another. Every other group seems to be listened to except gay people - when we usually then get idiots asking "so you think only straight people should play straight roles huh?"

More gay actors should get the chance to play gay characters

I think we all agree on that R188. But All I was saying is that the entertainment industry, particularly TV and movies does such an effective job of erasing and re ordering our history and our culture why would anyone be surprised that a sanitized coming of age story about kids in 10th grade be any different. I watched this pablum, and it offends on so many levels I don't know where to begin.

[Quote]Was it just to build tension if Nick Robinson was going to show up at all, or did they have such limited time with him that was one of the few ways they could cut down his scenes? And I must say he looked like he’s really

They Nick Robinson for one day at the end of the season. You notice he doesn't interact with any other characters, he wasn't around when they filmed that episode.

R190 Yeah I noticed that - he was standing in the back of the club at the end of that episode, it was odd that he was all alone until you realize that he probably filmed his scenes alone on a different day.

A new gay kid storyline every season is sort of how DeGrassi does (did) it...

I am so glad that i wasn’t the only one who noticed the error in narration after the sexless date. Poor quality control.

R193 I think you mean continuity.

They'd have to change the name of the series if they focused on a different kid every season.

[quote] Hell, the book the film was based on was written by a straight woman.

As is Brokeback Mountain.

The book series, it's inspired from, has a different protagonist in each follow up sequel, I believe.

It's not a book series, R197. They're spinoff books based in the same universe. One features Leah and the other features Abby's cousin.

R195 They should do a few seasons, since they are so short anyway, with the same cast. Then, when that gets stale, "reboot" with a new cast and a new name.

The author who wrote Love Simon is releasing another spin-off book in the series. One that takes place after the Leah book but before the events of the Love Victor tv show and is about Simon's first year in college.

It's a novella called Love, Creekwood R200

R201 To appease her fans since all the other "Simonverse" sequels barely had Simon in them.

Jesus, she’s making so much money off of this.

I wonder if Red White and Royal Blue will be as big a success when it gets its film adaptation.

r203,

from its wiki:

Red, White & Royal Blue is a 2019 novel by Casey McQuiston. Red, White & Royal Blue follows Alex, a fictionalized First Son who finds himself in a fight with Henry, the prince of England, and is forced to befriend him for PR reasons, developing romantic feelings for him along the way.

I mean, I like rom-com cheesy, but this sounds too cheesy even for me.

Maybe not Hispanic,Latino or latinox or gay writers but I do get the feeling the writers know young people.

He is all right but I wouldn’t call Victor’s interest the breakout star at all. I think the sidekicks of Mia and Victor are but Lake needs to do something with her hair.

Would the above snobby poster please explain how this harmless good hearted rare positive gay series he called ‘pablum ‘ offended him on so ‘many’ levels ? Did you watch the whole thing? I mean I kinda felt like you at the first 20 minutes gave it another chance and loved it..

R204 it's a very popular trope in fanfiction.

R204 It was super cheesy but a fun read if you don't think about how cheesy it is while reading it.

[Quote] just do a different gay boy every year.

To maximize exposure, they can rename it "The Richard Madden Story."

R208 Love Brandon... Love Froy... Love TBA

R204 And now there's one about the two sons of presidential candidates getting together called "The State of Us". Blame dubious taste of the target audience of fangurls and fraus.

[R36] I get that but it doesn't change the fact that Nick's acting was terrible in that scene.

Cuba Gooding’s spawn is super hot but having him play a high schooler is hilarious.

[R36] I understand that scene was supposed to be cringeworthy but so was the acting. I can't believe the director did not reshoot it. The scene was supposed to be funny but thanks to Nick's non-acting choice it comes across as "WTF just happened?".

Have to admit I loved it.

It was sanitized and cheesy, and maybe it didn’t have enough gay actors in it, but it had heart like crazy and a plot that was predictable yet not. It moved quickly, and although at the beginning I wanted at least some shirtless scenes, the hot guys were enough. The characters were well-drawn and genuine.

The actors playing Victor and Benji are cute af and sexy, and I fangurled when they kissed. It’s no Euphoria, but I’d rather live in this world anyway.

Really looking forward to season two.

I thought that was very on point. Driving home the premise that socially awkward, shy Simon seriously struggled talking to anyone outside his circle of friends and family. Including having the worst timing to say stuff.

Cimino is gay. The rest I don't really care about.

[Quote] Cimino is gay. The rest I don't really care about.

You know him?

they couldn't hire a more homely star for the lead? …. pass

Huh? He’s a dreamboat. He’s a ( cough cough) little too young for me.

[Quote] Huh?

Someone said "Cimino is gay" when the opposite has been said. If he's gay, he's not out.

He claims he is straight, but he has a gay cousin..... But with that face and that body, there is no way he has not been tested...

I watched it twice. It doesn't hold up. The first time I watched it with a couple of friends, the second time by myself. I think the series suffers from the lack of actual gay cast members. Cimino is gorgeous. But he is sort of wooden. He's very awkward in the scenes where he actually has to BE Gay.

And what's Mr. "I'm Straight, but I have this Gay cousin " going to do when it's time for real sex? Are they going to show them in bed? Will this be Brokeback Mountain without the anal? Because that scene at the end when Mia catches Benji and Victor was Alma catching Jack & Ennis all over again.

And the scene with the guy in the toilet? Andrew?He comes out of the stall after Benji and Victor's awkward conversation? How cliche is that? So predictable. Almost anyone could have written this. I definitely don't like Victor's father. He is totally not believable.

His wife has an affair with his boss? And now they're living together?I get that he beat up his boss, but what happened to the wife? She gets to keep giving piano lessons? And Victor gets to get in Grandpa's face and tell him off about his Gay friends and Daddy lets it go?

That family birthday party was lame. In real life Victor would have invited his girlfriend and maybe his buddy Felix to dinner, then they bail and go out.

I thought the affair explanation at the dinner table was unrealistic. Most parents aren’t about to explain something like that to their freshman and sophomore kids.

In the last episode Benji's boyfriend mentions he feels weird being at a highschool dance, so that might answer my question I had earlier about whether was supposed to be a highschool student.

Whenever season 2 happens hopefully Benji gets a lot more development, he is really undeveloped compared to Mia who got a ton of screentime this season.

[quote]Whenever season 2 happens hopefully Benji gets a lot more development, he is really undeveloped compared to Mia who got a ton of screentime this season.

More proof this is made for straight women and not gay men

......

I just realized that in the first episode they introduced the black assistant principle, who was in the movie as the musical director, and set her up to be Tony Hale’s counterpart for Victor. But then they didn’t explore that any further. Hale was really a good comic relief for the movie and I think having that relationship for Victor too would have been helpful in the series. I wonder what happened, did they film it but leave it on the cutting room floor? Because why introduce her and not follow through?

R226 Most likely she was only available to film one episode due to scheduling conflicts with filming Insecure. They obviously wanted an anchor with the movie but felt it wasn't needed for the entire series.

I'm on E3, skipped the other comments to keep things a surprise. They keep calling Victor hot, but gurl please he's a 6 at best. The mean basketball jock is hot as fuck. He should have been lead, but they wanted this movie to be more down to Earth for basic bitches.

Mia is a nice character, but she seems like a loner for such a popular girl.

The off-brand Seth Cohen (Adam Brody as another poster called him) is hot enough. I don't get why forever horny Victor is passing up on that local ass.

The show is fine, but the Victor actor is so stilted and talks in that Disney Channel stutter that Disney girls usually use when talking about guys. It's annoying when guys do it.

Re: R225: Fuck Polygon and their fucking tranny loving asses with a spiked butt plug from hell!

You know, this show is just fine. It's a nice and uplifting little show for gay boys and men. For fuck's sake, it's an inoffensive, easily digestible, charming romcom for gay men (and straight women, I guess). It's not supposed to be transgressive!

If they want a tranny or 'queer' show that breaks with 'homonormativity' (what is this even supposed to mean? It's frankly insulting to dismiss the lived reality of many gay men in this way...), they can fucking create one themselves. Except, they cannot because nobody is fucking interested in their gender studies bullshit and it doesn't sell. Instead they whine once again, paint themselves as the oppressed victims, and hope for that free ride that they get by emotionally blackmailing everyone.

R225 How much makeup or photoshopping did they put on the poor boy for that photo? He looks like an animation.

In real life Cimino is 20, and in the TV show he just turned 16. So where is the stubble? Would a 16 yr old have some peach fuzz at least? And in real life he definitely ought to have some. So yeah a ton of spackling make u to prettify him in case anyone wondered who the gay kid is.

R229, no, in 2020, this show is not "just fine." That's the problem. This reminds me of the well meaning white Liberals who made Lifetime movies about Black people and were so completely off and clueless and offensive and they just didn't get why their seemingly harmless shit was offensive. I want a rom com with real Gay people and I want it to be more grounded in reality than this bullshit. Being Gay and in the closet in high school is hard. THings might be better or more accepting now, but there are still religious assholes and others out here who feel like we are offensive and evil and perverts. High school still has bullies and bastards and nasty teachers.

Oh my gosh, this hottie is Cuba Gooding Jr's son? Damn.

Yeah, R232 and he has stubble...

R232 I thought you people said he was cute... He looks odd and too old to be in highschool.

R234 He's 23 so as far as TV goes he's not TOO old. But I wouldn't believe him to be younger than 18.

Why is Victor such an asshole? But I get Victor's motives. I did some shady closet things as well back in the day.

His sister is annoying and needs to do her hair. The baby brother yells every line. Calm down, kid. I want the father to take me to the bedroom for a nice long fuck.

The actor who plays Victor pings to high heavens.

How did he end up on the basketball team without the $500? His parents said no. Did his boss front him the money? Did Mia secretly pay when she was writing that random check, clearly not for the housekeeper but never explained in E1? How did that work?

The within show explanation was meant to be he earned the money himself working at the coffee shop. I get your point, the money is due upfront and it is going to take you a while to get the checks to pay it...but it's TV. I am okay with handwaving that.

Now handwaving that they have to drive two hours outside of Atlanta to find somewhere to fix an expresso machine and their boss expects them to stay a night at a hotel. That was a bit more of a struggle.

Also, r239 why couldn't they just drop it off and get it in the morning.

Because then we wouldn't have had the drama of motel room kiss R240

These posts are ridiculous. Chewing over so many lines and scenes on so many episodes? Jesus Christ.

R221 is my favorite. The series just dropped on Wednesday and already he’s watched it TWICE. Of course, it doesn’t hold up, so we get to hear everything that’s wrong with it. He. Watched. It. Twice.

GMAFB

Yeah. I loved it had a good heart just like the movie..when was the the last time a Tv series was an success based on a movie?

I never thought he had too much makeup maybe too tanned. How anyone can say he’s not good looking is beyond me.

The internet has billions of opinions so someone one is not going to like even the great things because they enjoy ‘canceling’....

R229 A few of those criticisms are some the same ones that were also leveled at Love Simon.

Yeah well, for some of us, the high school experience was a helluva lot closer to Moonlight than to Vincent and Simon.

R245 Who is Vincent?

Cynics can't deal with harmless, feel-good drama entertainment. They are obsessed with finding something to hate about it like characters not being played by out and proud gays, because everything has to be controversial and fit the "outrage! It's an outrage!" mold for social media's outrage culture. I mean, even cartoon comedies are not safe anymore (haven't been since the Apu controversy in The Simpsons).

Just because people are pointing out issues, it doesn’t always mean that they didn’t enjoy the show overall.

Some people have gripes with entire seasons of GoT, but still consider it to be a great show.

R245, so watch 'Moonlight' instead of trying to make 'Love, Victor' something that it wasn't meant to be. I'm glad that we have both, I really am, but not everything has to be one thing. It's perfectly okay to have a stereotypical, feel-good gay high school drama. If people wanna see a different story, there are tons of 'gay-themed' movies out there, exclusively produced and acted by gay men.

Now, if you want to argue that there aren't enough stories like 'Moonlight' out there--yeah, I kinda agree. There should definitely be more content like 'Moonlight' in my opinion... And if there's a market for it, people should definitely start doing indie flicks about what is interesting to them or relates more to them. Eventually, this type of story may gain traction and find larger interest in the mainstream media. But please don't expect that you can just shove something down the throats of an audience which they don't want to see in the first place.

People who watch 'Love, Victor' want something exactly like 'Love, Simon.' An inconsequential, sanitized, little fantasy love story that warms your heart while allowing you to escape reality for a few hours.

There are those who say they are tired of seeing the "Simon's"(and now Victor) types be given the lead roles in gay films and television and want to know when are the Jacob Tobia types for example going to be given the lead role in gay movies and television.

Well, this is happening...

Well, if people want to see it (series in R251), more power to them. I'd rather poke my eyes out than watch it, but my preferences are not the yardstick for all.

We'll see what is more financially (or even artistically) successful in the end. I mean, 'Looking' was what many gay man say they want in a TV series, but it wasn't that successful. At the same time, straight romcoms don't really represent straight lives accurately either. So, apparently, in order to have a successful TV series, not only do you need to address a broad audience (i.e., a coalition of various subgroups), you also have serve them the type of fantasy that they secretly want, even if it uses the same old, tired tropes. That's just how it works.

It always amuse me when gay people who were alive in the '80s get their noses out of joint at gender benders.

[quote] I mean, 'Looking' was what many gay man say they want in a TV series, but it wasn't that successful.

This. Where was all the outrage when Looking - which was created, directed, produced, and written by gay men, and featured a cast of majority out gay actors - was cancelled?

Is it true the guy playing Felix is gay irl?

R245, you miss the point. If the collective experiences of many Gay men are not this joyful, fluffy experience, then watching something like this hoping for a little honesty isn't going to work. I have nothing against romantic comedies, or light superficial treatments, but I found Victor to be dishonest at it's core. The only "moment" that seemed true to me was when Felix brings Lake to see his apartment. Not saying everything has to be fraught. Just looking for some honesty. The young actor who played Benji was pretty good. He was believable to me when he talked to Victor about the hard tie he had. I enjoyed the scene when Simon's boyfriend took Victor to the basketball court to shoot hoops, and then told him all those guys were Gay. The fact that not one actor was Gay in RL irritated me a lot. I don't need every single actor to be Gay, but unless you're a really good actor, you aren't going to carry it off well. Because the story is ABOUT being Gay. Trevante Rhodes isn't Gay. Ashton Sanders isn't Gay. But they were able to make it work in Moonlight. (Not sure about Andre Holland.) My complaint is about honesty. Being True. And I found this a dishonest, misleading rendering. That's my point.

"Looking" was a snooze until Russell Tovey turned up. What was that? Three episodes in? And the second season fucked up the storyline between Groff and the hairdresser.

I don't think a Gay audience is what Disney was aiming for. I think this was another attempt to innoculate. They want to spoon feed non Gay audiences about how "Normal" it is to be Gay. So they create this benign environment (High school!!) and this comparatively innocent environment and they even have Grandpa there to represent. He talks about how uncomfortable he feels and doesn't want Aidan to see two men kissing. Then Granny makes her "things have change so much!" speech. That was done with intention. The target audiences for this were straights and kids ten and over.

I don’t recall that Love, Simon was a Disney property to begin with, why was it even shopped as a series there to begin anyways?

HBO viewers are clearly disappointed. Please, there is currently airing an excellent adult HBO/BBC co-production that is unapologetically "non benign" gay, as defined by some posters here.

What’s that, r260?

I get your point, R256, but let me ask you a (rhetorical) question: how authentic are romcom or romantic drama movies in general? They aren't at all, all of them are highly artificial, even for their main audience--straight people. Again, it's all about the fantasy, about the wish fulfillment, and the escape from reality.

R258 is also right. 'Love, Victor' is very deliberate in mainstreaming 'gayness' (at least an uncontroversial, ideal version of it), while serving it in a very easily digestible format that appeals to the widest audience possible. It's actually quite good at that. Narratives of normality and conformity ('oh, he's just like us, just a tiny little bit different') are quite powerful tools for fighting negative stereotypes. This narrative of normality can build a good foundation onto which then--once it's firmly established--more non-mainstream narratives can slowly build upon.

[R261] I may destroy you.

R259 Because Disney owns Fox

Simon’s version he was handsome and white upper middle class great everything maybe a dad who made gay jokes but loved his son. The scene with the father telling him he loves him makes me cry every time. I think Loe Simon was a nice little love story. From what I understand today’s young people think it is no big deal to be gay.

Like Victor said his story is totally different. We don’t know how his parents will react and I don’t think it will be good. Victor maybe living with his best friend and hoarding mother soon.

Simon should've looked more like his book version. Kinda nerdy blonde with glasses.

I sometimes wonder who the gay men on DL think they are.

Anyone with half a brain would know something like this or Love Simon would not be aimed at gay men over the age of 25. Their target audience are the same audience shows like 13 Reasons Why, Degrassi or Riverdale have. You may enjoy watching those shows, but you are not their audience.

This shows main audience is teenage gays and girls.

Shows like Looking are for us, and they FLOP. The only way to make a gay lead appeal to broad audiences is to make him like Simon and Victor.

Queer as Folk didn't flop. Though, Brits are a breed apart.

Queer as Folk never brought in big ratings. It did well for a show with a small budget. They even filmed it in Canada vs the states to save money.

Also QaF USA was on an adult cable network.

Hulu had hardcore gay movie at one time Paris 5:59

I watched every episode of US QAF and hated almost every episode. Wish they would reboot keep poor Gale Hurd and Sharon Glass and get better writers and show runners. I didn’t bother with Looking.

QAF is getting a reboot R271

I liked "Looking" and was very sad when HBO cancelled it.

Looking was great.

The problem with Looking was that the 30 year old protagonist who had lived in San Francisco for a decade surrounded by slutty friends acted like a 16 year old suburban virgin like Victor. "What's douching?" "What's a foreskin?"

It would have made sense if he was openly autistic.

Two interesting movies I recently saw, I think on Amazon, about the young gay black experience were "Rag Tag" and "Naz and Maalik"

A two second search of ImDb reveals 56 titles under the heading "Best gay films about men of color"

My point being, that with so much representation out there available nowadays not every show needs to cover every perspective.

It's because of gay / LGBT allies gay / LGBT content became popular and mainstream in the first place. The main audience of Showtime's Queer as Folk? Women, better known as Fraus. Will & Grace? Fraus. Why did Looking fail? It wasn't Frau enough. The entertainment market is pretty much saturated to the point where people don't bother with every show featuring gay or LGBT characters.

The original Tales of the City was a moderate success, because gays were desperate for anything gay related back then and took what they could get.

Without our allies us gays would still be a niche market, or demographic, at best. And why is that? Because "This doesn't reflect me and my life! KILL IT! KILL IT WITH FIRE!".

adding to r277 "this show / character might make be look bad in the eyes of my peers (or will raise uncomfortable questions)! Cancel it, cancel it now!".

And for those who don't get it, the TARGET audience for this is TEENS. I'm 31, and the show is cute and I'm looking forward to season 2, but it would have been my everything when I was 15.

Looking and Eyewitness are still the standard of American gay storytelling. American Crime Season 2 is also a great gay story.

Victor is underwhelming and too much emphasis is put on Victor's bearding. Plus the prom ???? Hispanic kids are usually not into the high school world, even when they play high school sports.

I don't think the audience for Queer as Folk in the UK was fraus. That was a genuine popular hit, by Channel 4 standards. The scene where Stuart drives the jeep through the window of the car dealership appeared on one of those Best Scenes in TV History clip shows.

Queer as Folk in the UK has two seasons. Showtime's Queer as Folk has 5 seasons. You know what other show had only two seasons? Looking on HBO.

Queer as Folk only really had one season and a two part sendoff. The "second season" miniseries was Russell T Davies' idea. Channel 4 wanted another, full season. Looking got a second season despite the fact that the first wasn't a success. That situation is not comparable with Queer as Folk's.

r283. LOL two season show can't be compared with another two season show, because ... reasons? LOL

[Quote] LOL two season show can't be compared with another two season show, because ... reasons? LOL

Queer as Folk had a successful first season (good ratings). Looking did not have a successful first season (poor ratings).

The creator of Queer as Folk decided not to write a second season but to end it with a two part special.

The creator of Looking hoped for a third season but the second season was not successful (poor ratings).

r285. I got where you coming from at r283, dear.

But, dear, I do hope you understand, dear, that 2 is equal to 2 no matter the circumstances of how 2 got to be 2, my dear.

As the old saying goes ...

r286

Numbers don't lie and yet you are ignoring my clear as day comments about ratings... Queer as Folk was a ratings success. Looking was not.

Looking was great. Groff makes a good leading man, he's very charming.

Both got TWO seasons. No matter the circumstances.

Funny how Groff could be a Disney star (Frozen) and have gay sex scenes on HBO at the same time.

[Quote] Both got TWO seasons. No matter the circumstances.

Of course the circumstances matter. One was a popular success. The other was prestige at best, even though it wasn't really acclaimed.

Not really. Looking was mostly ignored by the mainstream. Groff's appearance to promote the show on ELLEN was bumped and aired after the show had finished. It was a shitshow in terms of (failed) promotion.

R250 I think it’s understandable that the leads be at least attractive. Jacob Tobia ain’t it.

I liked Looking a lot, but know I would’ve found it unbearably boring if I wasn’t gay. More than likely the same for any story told with that level of authenticity about any group.

There are plenty of shows where the lead wasn't attractive. Larry David, anyone?

r291. And yet BOTH ended up with 2 seasons. spin or no spin. Circumstance or no circumstance. Are you by any chance a Janet Jackson fan? Because that would explain so much.

Did anyone like The Real O'Neals? I thought it was funny and Noah Galvin was great as the young son coming out as gay.

And Janet Jackson and Maria Callas are both singers. What's your point?

[quote] I think it’s understandable that the leads be at least attractive. Jacob Tobia ain’t it.

Agreed. At least I was at my prime on Girls.

[Quote] Did anyone like The Real O'Neals?

No.

I was IN my prime!

R296 i liked The Real O'Neals too. Sucks that it got cancelled.

I also liked the Real O'Neals. Which also had Bebe Wood.

What was important in both Love, Simon, and Love Victor is that the lead actor, the GAY kid was charming and likable. That seems to be the formula. In my high school experience, in the late 70's, the Gay kid was "odd" and reclusive, and practically friendless. Well, maybe a couple of friends but basically they all avoided calling attention to themselves. They definitely didn't make the team in sports, they definitely didn't come to school dances. They tried very hard to be invisible. I was lucky because I had siblings to go to school with and their friends were cool with me. I was not out then.

Duh, there is a world of difference between the 70s and now

Ummmm why are we comparing QAF UK (aired in the UK) to Looking (aired in the USA).

That alone tells you what you need to know. Americans are far more homophobic

[quote]I liked Looking a lot, but know I would’ve found it unbearably boring if I wasn’t gay

I am gay and I found Looking boring. I vaguely recall the creator gave an interview in which he basically said they wanted to make a show where essentially nothing happened, so it reflected real life, rather than feeling like a TV show.

Jonathan Groff deserved better than Looking.

Looking was very European. There was no drama, it was just the camera dropping in on a day in the life of gay men. Of course Americans like things big and soapy, like all of the Ryan Murphy garbage, so it never stood a chance.

Looking had the worst thing for a show: an idiot protagonist. Groff deserved better.

Andrew Haigh's has that understated style, he tried to use here after it was so successful with his big screen debut "Weekend". It worked for feature film, but just doesn't work for long from.

Too bad Miles (Cal) wasn't given a cameo in Love Victor like Nick and Keiynan were.

DL really loves Jonathan Groff and Connor Jessup for some reason - I don't think I've come across a truly hateful comment about either. I wonder why?

If they starred in something together this site would implode.

DL really loves Jonathan Groff and Connor Jessup for some reason - I don't think I've come across a truly hateful comment about either. I wonder why?

If they starred in something together this site would implode.

Most people expect their entertainment to be larger than life characters going through larger than life events. Even when it comes to Reality TV and documentaries (like, you know, Netlfix's Tiger King).

The "but where are the shows about us average people having average but real life problems?" posers (yes, that's not a typo) can't make a show about regular gay people a success that lasts.

R313 They should date.

[quote]DL really loves Jonathan Groff and Connor Jessup for some reason

That'd be the fraus on DL

R314 what is "regular" about a 30 year old man who is perplexed by the idea of foreskins and douching?

[quote]The "but where are the shows about us average people having average but real life problems?" posers (yes, that's not a typo) can't make a show about regular gay people a success that lasts.

Honey, that's called a documentary.

"Story" requires characters who want something (motivation), face obstacles, and make choices under stress to demonstrate growth (or lack thereof). Most of what we have now is melodrama, not drama or true "story" as practiced by real authors and screenwriters.

r317, so even Looking was not real and regular enough for you and you take offense at the occasional forced hilarity ensues bits of comedy? Oh, brother. *facepalm*

R319 the protagonist acted like an undiagnosed autistic and no one ever commented on it (in the show). It was idiotic.

[quote] It was idiotic.

Why are you even alive? Your sperm should've lost thanks to whining all the way through the female reproductive system.

Victor's Dad, James Martinez, played a chubby chaser in Bear City who freaks out when his boyfriend tries to lose weight because of health problems.

There's going to be a Season 2 and it won't be produced by Disney. So hey, How about Groff showing up as a High School Teacher.....at Victor's school.....

James Martinez is also a regular on the One Day At A Time reboot playing a character named Victor (!) who can't deal with his daughter being a lesbian.

R319 That's called shitty writing.

R325 especially when the writer is doing all this press about the show being "real"

Please know, I am happy that this show exists and I've criticized and analyzed characters form a number of shows on this site, gay and straight.

r303 Victor was not likeable in this season.

1. He basically walks around his school looking more confused then the kid from 13 Reasons Why. He doesn't engage in a meaningful way with anyone at all, yet suddenly becomes popular.

2. He's fortunate enough to have honestly good people around him in school. Even though he doesn't appreciate the effort they put into making his experiences at that school better (his "friend"./Mia/Coffee Boy). They shuffle him along as he lies his way into breaking up a relationship and destroying an innocent girl's heart.

3. He's not hot, so all this fawning over Victor at that school makes zero sense. We know what is considered hot these days (check Tik Tok) this boy is at best cute, but he's breaking hearts like some Helen of Troy.

4. He's not a team player. He acts all cocky on the basketball court (one of the few times I like him), then he gets fouled out of a game and storms out of the gym instead of supporting his teammates. All this public because mommy fucked some dude! He's a complete DIVA!

5. He also calls out his parents as if he knows anything about being an adult and remains oblivious to his own destructive antics. I'll let that slide since he's a teenager.

6. He straight up disses Simon's welcoming friends. It is 2020, even homophobes should be better apt at gracefully telling someone off. Not to mention how he treated the coffee boy and his man at the birthday party. He shouldn't have invited coffee-boy if being gay around his grandfather was an issue. But maybe the boyfriend wasn't invited and I missed that part.

7. His sister is sulking around the apartment friendless, yet Mr. Popular Victor won't even take time to check in on his sister or inviter her to anything. Oh, but he lOvEs HeR!

8. He's just simply ungrateful little shit that cheats on his girlfriend and tries to feel up his taken friend. Add fuel to the file, he makes out with him in public outside of his school on a bench. Like, really bitch? You gotta be that messy?

That said, it was an enjoyable watch. Don't take my comments too harshly it's all in good fun.

Fuel to the fire^

You can't create drama when everybody acts smart and responsible. Where should the drama come from when nobody struggles with any issue and everybody is honest and doesn't keep any secrets?

Judging fictional characters for being stupid and irrational is really condemning yourself for not grasping what it is that entertains most people: Watching other people getting into trouble by being stupid and irrational.

Victor himself is bland. His "girlfriend" Mia is one of the most boring characters ever written. Felix and Benji were hot.

Victor should've gotten together with Felix.

Do chubby chasers actually like them that fat? The pandemic made me gain even more weight. Does this mean I finally have a chance?

Some of you are just looking for reasons not to like this show. Some other people just like to snub popular opinions. I have a so called friend who won’t even give Parasite a try. The year of God’s Own Country and Call Me By My Name before watching he knew he would like GOC better. When he finally did I could tell he wasn’t impressed. Recently he swore he liked it better. What kind of person lies about their opinions?

Couldn't possibly be that people have different opinions from you, could it? No, it must be an act, because no-one could possibly have a different opinion from R333.

I think we can all guess why you had to say "so called friend".

r333. People are stubborn and want to punish people who force them to do things they don't feel like doing. And usually they are passive aggressive about it.

like for example it clearly says Victor becomes popular for the sole reason the most popular girl in school likes him. Now Mia is furious with him that might change. Despite being a little miscast I think the actress playing Mia is very good.

Not think the actor playing Victor is not hot or even cute is beyond me. It’s like calling Brad Pitt a dog.

Still not sure how Mia is considered popular when she only seemed to have like 1 friend.

R332 I'm a thicker fellow and I've been told on 3 separate occasions that I'd be "so hot" if I gained 100 lbs.

Mia hated being around other people more than Felix’s fat, hoarding mother.

Not to mention it's a demand of television. The popular people are never surrounded by a massive crowd. There's one or two friends who have an actual character, maybe one or two silent extras to fill out the entourage, and that's it. You can't have groups of 8+ hanging out all the time.

Not a gay in sight

Keiynan Lonsdale preferred pronouns are tree and they.

R342 I'm still pretty sure he wasn't completely serious about that.

The Mia character was very typical of upper middle class African American girls. Very blase' and reserved. Not loud or flashy but quietly stylish. In Atlanta, there are a lot of girls like that. Their parents are doctors, lawyers, businessmen, and definitely big shots within the historically Black Colleges community. You have Spelman college for women, and Morehouse college for men and they are almost cult like in terms of their philosophy and behavioral standards. Very elitist.

Now the elitists don't shout it; they are simply like Mia. Extremely polite. Kindness itself. Never call attention to themselves, never. Impeccable manners. They have gone to all the right schools and are usually second or third generation college graduates. So I'd say they really nailed the character of Mia. And in the real world, Mia and Andrew would have been the couple. No way she'd have ever done more than smile and say "Hi!" to Victor. Lots of "new" people have come to Atlanta. It's truly an international, ethnically diverse area. But the stratification of African American high society is very real.

boring star, not cute.

R332 Only if you have a Cute face

Here is another overwrought "think" piece on this show - boy the professional "queers" really hate this, even though it goes out of its way to not be "white" the show still cant get a break from these critics. The greatest offense is apparently being gay and not fluid/bisexual/pansexual! The author is a queer theory professor at some rando college so no surprise there...

I keep reading that the show 'straightwashed' gay relationships. Like WTF.

Longsdale isn't aging into hotness - he looked kinda goofy and not nearly as hot as he used to be. And Dorfman really queened it up - maybe he thinks that is the key to seducing Pete Davidson (the interview below was kinda pathetic )

I loved the dig at Simon that he's not very sporty apparently.

Well, we'll see how Season two goes. He just came out to his parents. I'm betting his father is going to be awful. Just awful.

And if Mia truly was so popular, then he has pissed off a lot of people at school. And Andrew is not going to make life easy for him on the basketball team if he is even still on the team. All he really has is Felix...who is dating Mia's BFF, Lake. So I can see Felix as the go-between trying to patch things up. Hey this shit writes itself.

I can see his classmates giving him a really bad time. And then, when things get really bad for poor Victor, Mia will come to the rescue and tell the kids to back off, she forgives him and they need to stop being assholes. And that's the end of Season 2. Oh. Benji is there too. I mean can't have a movie about a Gay kid without the other Gay kid.....

R349, Davidson is fucking gross to look at. He'd be popular in jail though.

There should be a triangle between Ben, Felix, and the barista. Why were we subjected to a season of Mia ?? I thought this was a story about a gay man. Keep it gay!

With the exception of the girl who plays Lake, who is 18, the rest of them are in their mid 20's. Well, Michael Cimino is going to be 21. I'll watch again because Benji and Felix are hot.

Straight people won't watch if they don't see their own featured prominently.

[quote] "Love, Victor" has little to add to queer television

OK, I'm sold. I had no interest in watching it before but I could care less about it being "queer" acceptable.

i'm just curious - do high schools today really still have gossip blogs? any links?

No more straight actors wearing gayface. #cancel

R353 That’s what I kept thinking while I was watching! I had to fast forward a lot of scenes just to get to the gay shit, which was around 30% of the season.

This was just season one r353. A gay love triangle is inevitable in future seasons.

Future season: Victor discovers fisting.

Hey, how about Simon getting a crush on Victor and trying to cheat on his boyfriend?

Next season of Love, Victor will be about what next season on all show will be about BLM. Mia becomes militant.

R362 the scene of him being spitroasted by Simon and Bram was cut for time.

In the second season we find out Simon wasn't away for a bachelor party when Victor showed up in NY. He was hooking up with Benji! Drama twist!

I was hoping Mason Gooding’s jock character was secretly in love with Victor after they first met, and Gooding kept asking about Victor and Mia. They went the predictable route by making him het and in love with the primary female character. My version would have been more interesting haha.

Next season of Love, Victor should be about him joining the wrestling team only to be sidelined by injury. He takes up with some society sugar daddies and gets passed around like a joint at Whitney's. He presses eject on this wild ride and joins the army. Oh, and he webcams his spread cheeks. There's lots to work with there, no?

If they are looking to add some gay actors to the cast (which I hope they are), they can pick up Jeff Davis' sloppy seconds. Froy Gutierrez or Andrew Matarazzo would sense as a new hussy at Creekwood.

Victor is the centerpiece of this series. There is no way they will add anyone to the cast that ight overpower that character. Period. This is formula Rom-Com.

Romcoms need conflict r369. You think Victor and Benji will just have a boring happily ever after? They are going to introduce another guy into the mix to cause some drama.

Oh, I agree. But who ever they bring in won't be som super hottie who will overshadow Victor.

Won’t be hard to overshadow him. Every other guy on the show is hotter than the actor playing Victor.

Simon should avoid future invites to his apartment, Victor is a known cheater and home wrecker.

For S2 can they have some gay fad bonding moment where Simon and his hot dad (Josh Duhamel) end up wrestling with Victor’s father (who can be a former wrestlers). Ideally, this can be shot with the daddies as oiled up.

The thought that a 20 something guy like Simon hooking up with a 16 year old... wtf

Especially since Victor looks fucking 13. Not sure why anyone except a pedophile or even a pederast would find him "hot".

MARY! Michael Cimino is a 20 year old man, turning 21 later this year.

Please stop trying to baby him, people (with questionable taste IMO) are welcome to perve over him if they wish.

We're talking about the character not the actor R375

Ummm whoever mentioned it up thread wasn’t lying. Mason Gooding’s social media posts are...interesting. He’s fawning all over the lead on IG. And he adds hearts to all his tweets. It’s cute.

Would be amazing if Mason Gooding came out.

If someone is legal we can lust after them or comment on their looks and if by some kind of miracle we can date them it’s okay. Doesn’t matter how they ‘look’ especially if they are in their 20s.

The show needs a villain. I thought it would be hot Cuba jr jr turns out he is a nice guy deep down but now a scorned Mia would be an excellent Mean Girl. According to movies every high school has one.

[quote]The show needs a villain. I thought it would be hot Cuba jr jr turns out he is a nice guy deep down but now a scorned Mia would be an excellent Mean Girl

Same kind of character he plays in the excellent BOOKSMART.

Michael is cute and has potential to become quite the muscular hottie once he hits his mid-20s. But Benji is where it's at. Scratch that. Victor's dad is where it's at. I want him to pound me senselessly for hours.

Fucking should go over a half hour.

[quote] —You heard it here first

And last.

Well I want to see some no bullshit LUST in Season two. These are 17 yr olds, right? Fucking is all they think about. I don't want to see puerile foolishness. I want Benji to get some. All that wrestling Felix & Lake were doing was pitiful. Benji has been out. Benji has had a boyfriend. Benji knows what he's doing. And Victor needs to stop with the girly "Golly Gee!" looks and he needs to eye fuck Benji. otherwise I'm over it. Because that guy who plays Benji has the right kind of eyes. He needs to let it all out!

The writers better put up or shut up.

[quote]“Our goal for this is to do a show that sort of grows up with its audience,” Aptaker said. “In Season 1 they’re 15, but as the show goes on — hopefully for many years — their lives are going to get more sophisticated, their problems are going to get more mature." “It felt to us like being on a more adult platform where we have the freedom to tell those stories could only be good for our show,” said Berger.

When they can finally get back to work they need to film seasons 2 and 3 back to back. People mature at this age, quickly going to no longer believable as a highschooler even by Hollywood standards.

Only that brave HBO series about will do that. BTW I wonder when second season starts. Most of America would not be able to deal with it teenagers having sex but you are right in reality that is all they are think about. Not let’s go into a broom closet and kiss. Yeah right.

R251 Sorry if OT, but...who the hell would be the target audience for a bio series about fucking Jacob Tobias? Are there really that many Twitter gender warriors for whom this lunatic would be Must See TV?!

All I can say is Benji is my crush. He easily eclipses little Victor.

Benji’s character is great representation for pocket bottoms.

R389 Benji is supposed to be your crush, he’s “the hot guy.” Though Mason Gooding is so much hotter.

The problem is, when we first see Benji walking into the school, stops to get a drink, runs his hands thru his hair, and he has that sort of sexy strut, I'm looking for his bulge...but there is none. And his legs are skinny not muscular. So in effect he has not much to offer. Victor is lean and muscular and he's taller than Benji. I suspect once they get things sorted out Benji will bottom.

R392 Unlike your porn fantasies, gay high school virgins aren’t just jumping into anal sex.

13 Reasons Why actually got this right this season where they had the newly out gay kid (played by Miles Heizer) nervous about having sex with his boyfriend.

I generally liked the season - especially since they were initially targeting a Disney audience - but there were certain plot developments that made no sense (other than to maintain internal plot consistency) but the oddest part was Benji's weird flip out over the kiss and how something so innocent required Benji to cut off all contact with Victor because why? It isn't like Benji's boyfriend had some moral objection to monogamy (remember he was the one that basically said the best part of being gay was basically that you could fuck anyone anytime anywhere and seems to be looking for any reason to dump poor Benji and move on to some college level bareback orgies) so his total freakout over the kiss made no sense (and he obviously has the hots for Victor so you know they would have at least traded blowjobs all night long and then maybe have some regrets in the AM). Hell, Benhjis boyfriend would probably have loved to pop that twink virgins cherry just to spice up their relationship. But of course, the Disney plot demands that Victor stretch out that bearding for the big "betrayal" where poor clueless Mia doesn't realize that her "boyfriend" wants cock for the season finale. I would have hoped that if they had started out at Hulu then this gay boy dates clueless future fag hag cliche would not have been necessary - and the whole escape to NYC episode where Victor is required to learn that gays can be basketball stars as well as annoying club fags (and of course with a tranny cross dresser thrown in) wouldn't have been necessary as some required "movie of the week" moral lesson in faggotry...

Oldy I really like Mia as a character.

I think once she doesn't have to be the clueless girlfriend and starts fucking the hottie who popped her cherry, she has potential...

R394 The reason why Benji flipped out is because he believes in monogamy whereas his boyfriend doesn't. It's to contrast the differences between Benji and his boyfriend but also at the same time show the similarities between Benji and Victor. Benji's wants to freely be able to fuck other guys in an open relationship while Benji and Victor are presented as "romantic types". Who have the added conflicts of them both being in a relationship with other people and wanting to do the right thing while also secretly longing for each other and Victor not being publicly out.

Victor should have Jack Twisted Benji when they were in bed. : Pretend your asleep and fling your arm out to grope his dick. I mean. Benji was sending out all the signals. He knew "Call me maybe" was on Victor's phone, and he sings a cover of it? He's the one who volunteers Victor to go on the road trip. He shuts off his phone in the car when he gets a call from Derek. And on the night of his attempt to lose his virginity, Victor shows up at the coffee shop well after closing to look for Benji who happily lets him in. So they both know that their "special night" with their alleged significant other is a bust. Hell, Benji's running away to another coffee shop telling Victor they need to avoid one another is because Benji knows he is attracted to Victor. He wants to get with Victor. And how the fuck could he ignore all those breathless stares? Victor is so obvious I'm surprised no one else noticed. Felix should have caught on right away.

OK. So the dynamics are set up for Victor to catch some serious shit in Season 2. He will catch shit from his father no doubt in my mind. He will catch shit from Mia's friends and classmates. And Benji may even catch shit because he and Victor get together. So there's going to be a lot of shit in Season 2.

Expand your vocabulary, please.

Every thread has to end up in a messy situation.

This pretty much sums up how I felt about it. I like it but I feel guilty because it is pablum. I'm copying this from the OP's Guardian review post:

"The initial promise that this would somehow add a bit of grit to the Love, Simon template fades fast with Victor’s strictly religious parents softening within minutes and financial concerns disappearing with a similar speed. Making Victor a twinky, basketball-playing teen who finds friends instantly sustains the fantasy world of the movie but oddly, the homophobic taunts that Simon and his gay classmate endured have been entirely excised. Benji, Victor’s openly gay object of affection, appears to glide through school and the community at large without resistance from those around him, a utopian ideal that’s sweet but unlikely. It didn’t need to overly focus on the hardship but a refusal to deal with it in much detail over 10 episodes (bar one easily settled scene with Victor’s grandfather turning his nose up at Benji and his boyfriend) feels like cowardice.

It’s one of many decisions that makes Love, Victor easily digestible and solidly entertaining yet lacking. "

Love Victor has a RT rating in the 90s.

I’ll probably get shit for this but I couldn’t watch Victor without thinking every time he was political commentator Neera Tanden. Eeks.

Also. I know they are kids but the acting was terrible. Ok. I still watched it.

I thought the four sidekicks were fine. I mean they were acceptable. Mia, Andrew, Felix, and Lake. Felix was especially good. Mia did a good job in her "Alma" Scene, when she discovers her boyfriend kissing another guy... But Victor was wooden. His father was fake. His love interest Benji was not much better. I loved Pilar. Mom was...ok. I loved kid brother Aidan, (great name for a baby gayling!)

Hey I like Meera Tanden and actually Victor was very pretty. BEtter looking than Neera. Victor's problem is that aside from being pretty there was nothing there. He was..."nice."

I didn't realize until after watching that the actress who played Lake was the same actress who played the little sister on The Real O'Neils. She's really grown up but she's always been a good actress.

His skin tone is striking. So rich with zero blemishes. Just gorgeous.

r405 you're right, the father was fake. They are struggling to get by, but their mom was a housewife? In, 2019/2020? How did she not go stir crazy being cooped up in that little apartment all day by herself?

S2 should have the mother, sister, and little brother move back to TX. Mom should shack up with the boss and live her best life. Dad should manage the dating scene. Eventually, a girlfriend will help him soften his views on his son's love of cock. Once Vicor is outed to the school he should develop his own little group of gay and straight friends. The show can expand beyond his dull storyline.

I see Daddy moving back to Texas. He pretends he's "modern" but he's not. He'll live with his parents because he can't afford not to. Pilar might want to go but her character is too strong to be written out of the story. You watch. Andrew will emerge as the peacemaker/hero guy.

Who's Andrew?

Mason Gooding's character R410

I call him Cuba jr jr. He’s very good looking but doesn’t look like his dad.

Will they show Victor's first blow job?

R413 Just receiving, this is a tasteful show.

I think they'll jack one another off first. Touching and kissing, and if they really want to be honest, they need to generate some heat. These are guys. 16-17 years old. The hormones are raging! The way it ended really irritated me. Two straight guys kissing. No heat. Then the "I'll call you tomorrow." Sheesh. I don't think either of them even grabbed a thigh.

It was very cutesy r415, no sense of passion or lust.

I'd like to hope that is just the direction, and with different direction the actors are capable of generating some heat.

Will there be rimming in Season 2?

R417 Season three has been slated as the “all about rimming” season.

Movie recommendation: Handsome Devil Irish movie. Coming of age. Gay. Lovely.

Loved Handsome Devil. Fresh idea the two lead characters both gay don’t get together.

To be fair on this show the straight couples just kiss also. Mia lost her virginity at a ‘weak moment’ and at another low point offered to have sex with a teenager with raging hormones but was turned down. I forget the guy Victor is attracted to. Felix? What a name. I assume since he has a boyfriend who is older they are having sex although it isn’t mentioned.

I think that's an odd framing r421. It was assumed by all characters that Victor/Mia would be having sex, and the fact that they weren't was used as proof of Victor's gayness.

Even in the season 1 that was made for Disney the show the show doesn't present a world that damn chaste. It did still embrace that teenagers have sex drives and that is normal.

Live Q&A with the cast and creators

I also loved Handsome Devil, but it's a terrible title that has nothing to do with the movie.

And it was a fresh idea that the two gay leading characters do not wind up together.

Also, I liked his teacher, played by an out gay actor whose name escapes me, and I like the teacher's line at the end when he introduces his boyfriend to the school principal and says, "he's my fella."

Andrew Scott R424

Well, as far as I'm concerned Benji is the HOT GUY. Not Victor. I went on George Sear's Instagram and he is really lovely. Beautiful face.

Basic.

I love this face. He's very sweet. British. I love the sort of look of the poet thing. I don't necessarily need a man to be all bulked up.

Mia, Lake Felix and Benji all have a future. So does Mason Gooding. Victor will be forgotten. In about ten years no one will remember him.

Most TV characters are forgotten.

I just downloaded the entire season 1 and am about to watch it!

R431 bully for you!!

R419 thanks for the recommendation. It was a cute movie but I felt it didn’t know what it wanted to be. So in the end it was just a string of “cute” or sentimental scenes somehow patched together.

Now I recognize the actor who plays Benji. He's in the series "Alex Rider" that's on Amazon Prime. He plays a villain.

Hopefully season 2 will bring in some actual LGBT actor representation. Or one of the current actors will come out.

Lip injections, r433?

They'll have Troye Sivan do a guest arc.

r433, is Alex Rider any good? I have Hulu and Netflix, but Amazon only on occasion.

[quote]is Alex Rider any good? I have Hulu and Netflix, but Amazon only on occasion.

It is. It's a bit teen-y, but overall it's a solid adventure series.

They better improve the writing too. And the directing. I mean some of the dialogue was such bullshit. I get it. THis is an upper middle class high school with a lot of nerdy smart kids. But you can take nerdy too far. When Victor and Benji talk the dialogue seems so stilted and strained. I liked Mia, but I loved Lake. Now she had some good lines.

The old losers on this site are showing their ages in these comments.

This show is not geared toward you. This show is for TODAYS youth. Your time has past, move on.

And this show does not do anything wrong in how it portrays a closeted 15 year old. They usually get themselves a girlfriend and try and fit in with the straights.

There was no "straight washing". For some reason people think all gay kids do is fuck. Most do not even have anyone else to fuck so they troll apps like Grindr at 15 to get fucked by much older guys and later in life resent their youth for this.

And to those of you who keep bringing up season 2 will not be filmed for Disney+, what does that mean? It will still be a TEEN SHOW, the way the film was a TEEN FILM, geared 100% toward teens. It is a show about 15 year olds.... but in your twisted minds it will suddenly be filled with nudity and sex? God, I feel sorry for some of you.

Anybody expecting sex on Love, Victor even without trying to conform to Disney standards are going to be disappointed.

This is not an adult series. This is a show geared toward 13 year old girls and gays. Anyone who expects sex and nudity is deluded and so desensitized that they think everything is porn.

You realize when people make comments about rimming and the like they are jokes? Are you able to detect sarcasm?

Shows geared towards teens do have sex btw, obviously this show will never be Euphoria, but look at normal teen geared series on WB/CW.

All in all though this must have been a hit for Hulu right? I mean it wouldn’t have been comparably on Netflix or Amazon Prime, but Hulu most likely is over the moon with the press this show has been getting and most likely respectable numbers? Also, they don’t have the kind of teen oriented shows that are so strong on the other two streamers so it must fill a niche for them.

I’d like to fill Victor’s niche

They talk about sex on the show. They just don't act like they ever do anything, or even get turned on except for the comedic antics of Felix and Lake. Benji mentions dating and having sex with girls. Mia fucked Andrew. She wanted to get something going with Victor but there was no chemistry. None.

I was criticizing the dialogue. I think it's a legitimate criticism. I'm no old fart. I find the dialogue on this show obviously written by people who have no idea how teen agers talk to one another. I get it. The Salazars are from Texas and they're religious and so maybe they aren't as up on things or informed or sophisticated and worldly as someone like Mia or Andrew.

Victor said a couple times that it meant a lot for him to be accepted. Another time he said he didn't want Mia to think he was a loser. He was definitely punching above his weight class. But he tries. He took her to a art exhibit opening for a first date.

Benji had to know he was gay, and despite Benji protesting, Benji was flirting with Victor from the moment he noticed his "vintage Converse shoes." And really, "Call me Maybe?" And at the disastrous end of their special evening they end up together playing with the espresso machine? Turning off the phone in the car when Derek calls? They always noticed one another, always made eye contact.

Victor did have a fleeting moment of hotness on the basketball court in that first practice against Andrew. Even had a little strut going. I just hate that the writers made the character so bland. On the plus side, having this series take place at a high school, ala Glee is smart. There are a lot of secondary characters they can introduce into various storylines.

But the series is going to be handicapped by not having a Gay Victor. There have to be more love scenes. They have made so much of Victor's virginity, at this point, something has to give. So what if I engage in speculation. I'm curious just where they take the storyline, and how they carry it off. Michael Cimino doesn't seem to have the acting chops to go with his good looks.

Teens in high school have an excess of emotions. These kids couldn't even fake passion well. Bad directing.

Euphoria is an HBO series not actually geared toward teens. It’s a show about teens for 18+.

You’re comparing apples to oranges. Euphoria is not in the same category as Love Victor, which is in the same category as Riverdale, Degrassi and Glee.

Mia is the actress who plays young Beth on This Is Us. She is terrific as teen Beth.

Beth Jarrett?

Mia is a good actress. I loved the way she played the cliche'd finding Victor kissing Benji. She did an excellent job in that moment. You could feel her feels.

Why do people keep calling them 17? Victor says he is a Sophomore at the beginning and then episode 5 is his 16th birthday party. So they are 15/16. Pilar is 14.

Some of them may be 17 or even 18. High school classes are mixed.

It’s made clear Mia/Lake/Felix/Victor are all in the same grade.

Idk about Benji.

Who cares about the characters who are not a part of the main group?

I think Victor/Felix/Mia/Lake are all meant to be the same age, Sophomores.

I assume Benji was meant to be older, even though it is never said one way or another. But that is the impression you get.

Idk what grade Andrew is supposed to be either.

I wanna see some passion. I wanna see Benji mash Victor against a wall and grope him while he gives him a hickey. YOu would know Victor was gay just by the fact he was never sloppy or disheveled. He was fastidious. Neat. Always bathing. Every time he walked into his house he'd announce he was taking a shower or changing. LOL!

Benjis backstory was that he got a DUI before coming out, and he has been out for over a year given that is how long he was with his ex. It would be nonsensical for him to be a sophomore.

During class scenes we see Felix/MIA/Victor/Lake have some classes together. Benji is never in their classes. So he is most likely older.

They should explore the possibilies making Andrew bi. And love/hate Victor. I wouldn't mind watching a threesome with Benji.

Ummmm wasn’t Simon’s goal to go to college then move to LA? Why did they have to go the even more stereotypical route and have him in NYC?

Might I add that Simon would not fit in NYC well and doesn’t feel “NYC”. He belongs in Chicago’s gay scene.

[Quote] He belongs in Chicago’s gay scene.

No he doesn't.

I heard naysayers of Brokeback Mountain (Nathan Lane) why didn’t the characters get on a bus to New York City? That is exactly what Victor did.

R461 Because it was already stretching the limitations of belief that Victor took a bus to NYC in a weekend, they could never have taken one to freakin L.A!

R463 he does. Idk where you live/are from (they aren’t the same) but Chicago’s gay scene is mostly VERY vanilla but cute and fun like Simon.

NYC gay scene has turned too vanilla in recent years but it’s still very interesting and diverse and DARK, overall.

LA gay scene is 💯 superficial and all about looks and money.

Simon would not fit in NYC or LA. He belongs in Chicago, DC or Seattle gay scenes.

What about Orange County's gay scene?

If we were going to assume a Cali gay scene for Simon he would be best in San Diego. Again, super white and vanilla but pretty and laid back and fun.

And Bram is mixed but very vanilla like Simon. Simon likes it that way. Good for him. But NYC isn’t him. They really had to go the most stereotypical route for him.

Does OC have a real gay scene?

Hmmm, with all this geography discussion should we start zeroing in on a college for him? What’s a good sized, but smallish college town with a good gay vibe?

If they are 15, how were they driving solo? I don't know many states that allow 15-year-olds to drive on a permit without a licenced driver. Unless he got some farmers kid license.

Victor was only shown driving after his 16th birthday episode r470.

Victor lives in an upper middle class suburb but lives in the poor part of town r470, not some small farm town.

Gay shows and films really should end the trope that gays need to move to NYC or LA to get anywhere. That used to be the case, but hardly in 2020. Simon flocking to NYC seems a bit ridiculous, especially when he is from an Atlanta suburb, and Atlanta has a large gay scene now.

Shows and films also always push the "its NYC, no one gives a shit" about two men being affectionate in public but that is not true.

A show, which takes place mainly in a small town, uses NY usually as the stark, cold contrast where people "disappear" and not have much of a local community and neighbors know each other and are on friendly terms. The exceptions are gay themed shows and movies where guys have their new family of diverse, like-minded friends.

Sorry,

A show, which takes place mainly in a small town, uses NY usually as the stark, cold contrast where people "disappear" and do not have much of a local community with neighbors knowing each other and being on friendly terms.

Is their suburb that small?

And the inner city of Atlanta has a booming gay scene. Why not take a weekend trip into Atlanta and experience the gay scene instead of traveling all the way to NYC?

Simon also would not be in those gay clubs.

Atlanta doesn't have the same profile as NYC. "Love Victor" isn't a show made for Southern audiences.

I guess I'm the "PAssion" troll, but I gotta say. As I think about it,I can't lay it all on Michael Cimino's wooden performance. It seems like no one had any passion. Not for lust or for sadness or for anger. We had Felix and Lake acting like rambunctious puppies, we had Benji & Derek arguing about infidelity. We had Mia coldly cutting her father's fiancee. But very little passion. Mia was so laid back she sat on her bed and I expected her to tell Victor to drop trou. it seemed almost clinical.Most of the kissing was enthusiastic, but no heat. So I have to blame it on bad directing.

R477 oh please. Unless you’re born and raised in NYC you aren’t actually from there either.

I get exactly what R462. NYC and LA are not for Simon. Chicago would be more than enough.

That's not the point, r479. New York, New York has a well established mythology around it, which is known the world over. Atlanta? Not so much.

Atlanta, like Nashville or Oklahoma City, have new gay scenes. They do not have the gay history or mythology NYC or LA have. I get it.

But it’s ok to do something different and have the gay kid in 2020 say “let me check out Atlanta since I live here”.

But the show you've described sounds very cookie cutter. I think you hope for more than you'll ever receive.

Hey a lot of people make the trek to NYC either for College or for work opportunities. They do it for the experience of living there. NYC is romanticized. But many quickly discover it is not for them. It happened in our own family. I have two sisters. One went to NYC and never looked back 20 yrs ago. The other went there for grad school then lived there for 3 yrs and hated it. Left. Lives in a Chicago suburb . When R462 said Simon belonged in Chicago I understood instantly. Yes. He'd fit in wonderfully there.

Michael Cimino was perfect as the sheltered, earnest Latino kid needing to fit in and be accepted. But next season he will have to loosen up or he will bomb.

Let me guess: You have something to loosen him up...

One thing I hate about those sweet, naive, smaller town gays who move to NYC or LA is how quickly they change. They always go from sweet and humble to loose and mean.

They can finally be themselves.

No. That isn’t “themselves”.

Southerners are more real than what you find in major cities, always putting in a mold of what is expected.

New York is also very visually different from other cities in America. This takes place in Atlanta, but it really could be anywhere visually. New York has its own look and feel, part of what makes it a popular setting.

R489 must not travel. Chicago and NYC look very similar. Chicago is more beautiful and clean though.

To me,I love the history of NY. The cultural history as much as the social history and the actual American history. I see NYC as a collection of unique neighborhoods. It is a world unto itself. It is not to be compared to other big cities in the US. All big cities have similarities. But only on avery superficial level. Chicago has its own history. But it doesn't compare to NYC. They are no ways the same. We have great cities all over America. But New York City is our heart. I visit often. I have family and friends there. But I know I could never live there. It has too much...muchness.

NYC is a world being destroyed by white transplants who have erased its culture.

The thing is that a lot of kids grow up repressed, as in hide their true self and their true feelings from everybody. And then they finally leave home and move to the big city and it's like a kid in a candy store for the very first time. They go from one extreme, the repressed state, to the other extreme, releasing the raging homosexual they are. And that one wants to make up for so much lost time. And in that state they don't listen to fear, reason, common sense or proper etiquette.

This is even more evident with closeted Mormon teens.

And I am sorry to say, but it's a very human thing that you overindulge and overreact when you have denied yourself something you want so much for a very long time. Of course, after some time the new freedom has lost its shine and people enter the "OMG, what have I done????" phase which, if they are lucky, just leaves them mortified or, if they are unlucky, reveals to them that they are now living with an incurable STD or a crippling addiction to drugs or alcohol.

Preach, gurlfriend!

No. These kids aren’t denying themselves when they’re coming out at 15 and 16. That’s a fine age.

R486 [ Insert picture of Dylan Geick here.]

[quote] These kids aren’t denying themselves when they’re coming out at 15 and 16. That’s a fine age.

No matter who you are, a change of scenery requires an adjustment period. Moving from a small town to a big city (and vice versa) can be a culture shock. And no matter when you come out a huge weight is off your shoulders and it takes some time to adjust to that.

Then don’t move to the big city r497 most of them don’t belong anyway.

R497 College freshman orientation services should always cover “Coming Out” resources and programs as a basic introduction to campus resources. You know at the same time they cover all that stuff about “consent” and not dressing as an Indian or in Black face for Halloween. Places like FIT, who friends who went there called “Faggots in Training” should just make it a required one credit course for all males.

R496 When was he ever sweet or humble?

[ Insert picture of Dylan Geick here.]

Why are the uncensored photos of Dylan so hard to get?

R502 Because he's underage in them. Make do with the video, where he's definitely of age

R503 what video?

R504

Loved the show

Listen. Victor's family lived in a rental apartment an old building with no central air. In Atlanta. And Victor had his own room. Which means it had to be a 4 bedroom apartment. No elevator. Rents in Atlanta are high.

R507 they lived in the poor section of a suburb outside Atlanta

r505 there is no video there

R507 I got a little confused along the way, didn’t they move to Atlanta for the father to become the property manager? I thought that’s how they got the great apartment?

They left TX after the father found out the mom was having an affair with his bosses boss and beat the shit out of him. They moved to Atlanta, but not the inner city, a suburb. The same one Simon lives in, but in one of the apartments in the "poor" part that Abby lived in.

R511 Was Abby the black girl from the movie?

r512 Yes, the only one in the group who lived in an Apartment. The other 3 lived in houses right by each other. Simon, Leah and Nick have known each other their whole lives. Abby moved there months before with her single mother but fit in right away and they felt like she was always there.

[Quote] The other 3 lived in houses right by each other. Simon, Leah and Nick have known each other their whole lives. Abby moved there months before with her single mother but fit in right away and they felt like she was always there.

How facile.

[Quote]Rents in Atlanta are high.

Atlanta has a fairly average cost of living, not high, not low, just a teeny bit above the national average.

R515 when was the last time you’ve been there? Atlanta is expensive now

This is something that is tracked r516. Actually I was wrong, looks like Atlanta is actually a teeny bit below the national average.

But yes, the cost of living is considered average.

Well you can consider all you want. The Southwest side is "up and coming," but East Atlanta Village, Grant Park, Reynolds Town, Candler Park, Inman Park and Buckhead, where I live, is expensive. Rents are ridiculous for what you get. I had 750 SF in a newish building and paid 1900. Plus utilities, parking and trash. Atlanta is expensive.

If people think they're moving to the South where historically the cost of living has always been lower, you're in for a rude awakening. It's not low. Now maybe in the far suburbs things like rents are lower. So places like Brookhaven , a near suburb, and Sandy Springs are getting prohibitively expensive. And I know things are a bit lower in Smyrna, Alpharetta, Marietta, but then the suburbs are growing fast because we have ridiculous traffic.

BTW. I don't know anyone who refers to "inner city." about any part of Atlanta. The Southwest side seems to have crime moreso than other areas, but Atlanta is fully integrated. Yeah, lots of gentrification going on, but at least the Metro Atlanta area is integrated.

Will aso add that I've seen apartment buildings like Victor's in the Virginia Highlands and the Lenox Park neighborhoods. Not cheap.

[Quote]If people think they're moving to the South where historically the cost of living has always been lower, you're in for a rude awakening

Sure. But you have places like New York metro, Bay Area metro, DC metro, Boston metro etc bringing up the average. Places like Mississippi, Kansas etc bringing down the average.

How it works out, so places like Atlanta fall in the average.

R520 you make no sense.

If I move to Atlanta and pay $1900 for a small one bedroom, that isn’t average. I can get the same price places in many parts on NY.

I think it's complete bullshit that they had Simon try to be straight for the whole season especially when they aren't guaranteed a second season. They had 10 episodes. That shit should have been handled in 5. I'm starting to think the writers don't know how to write a show where the lead teenage character just happens to be gay

A Hispanic kid from a strong religious household being closeted is very real and very believable. Why would he rush out of the closet with his background? That makes NO SENSE.

A one bedroom apartment in a new building in a hot neighborhood of New York is going to cost you *way* more than 1900 r521.

You can find an apartment in New York for 1900, but it is not going to be the same as your Atlanta apartment.

It's not that complicated. It's just numbers in black/white. Atlanta is expensive for the South, but it is not an expensive city objectively.

Cute show. Took a while to become its own thing (and ironically the episode where Victor and Simon connect somehow helped it do that), but I love it now. Crush on the nerdy neighbor.

Victor is the cutest and sweetest thing.

R522 you mean Victor, honey

R527 yes he does. Only his bitching is stupid. It made sense he remained closeted. If anything he would have not came out until he was in college unless he lived with them while in college. If he were to move away, he would come out then.

Most 16 year old Latino boys in that upbringing aren’t coming out yet.

Victor said he wanted to fit in. He said he wanted to be accepted. He discovered after his ferris wheel ride with Mia, he was popular. His basketball teammates were accepting. The Benji walked into his life. So he is terrified. After he made a pass at Benji on their work trip overnight, he rushes out into the hallway of the motel and starts crying. He admits he is scared and doesn't want his life to be so hard. And yet. He can't ignore it or deny it. So as much as he may have wanted to stay in the closet and rationalize why he makes that decision, he has the fact of Simon and Bram, and he has the immediate fact of Benji of the bedroom eyes, and the soft smile and the flirty ways. Call me maybe. Yeah. it's obvious Victor and Benji are going to catch a lot of shit next season. because Mia was popular. And if she is pissed off at them she and Andrew will make life hell.

Victor’s home life won’t be smooth like Simon’s was. Simon makes it a point to mention how scared he was with super liberal pro-gay parents, so imagine what someone like Victor feels.

Simon knew his parents would be accepting and was still scared to tell them, so imagine someone who knows there is a chance they won’t, especially their father.

When that assistant principal told Victor in episode one, that every girl has a first gay boyfriend, she should have told that to Mia instead

My realtor had to divorce her hot husband because he was Gay, cheated on her with another guy.

If Search Results Million Dollar Listing is anything to go by, all male realtors are gay. R532

*If Million Dollar Listing is anything to go by, all male realtors are gay. [R532]

I just finished the show. He got railed at the club right?

You know, one thing missing from the discussion. When he was in NYC he told Bram and the roommates his parents were religious and he was really worried about them dealing with him being Gay. When he was driving with Benji he asked him about his relationship with his father.

And no one brought up the possibility that he might get thrown out, or even that his father might kick his ass. I had to make a plan. I got thrown out. I had to pack my shit and leave that very day. So I had to make sure I had someplace to go. I know Simon told him he would be there for him. But Simon is in NYC. Unless maybe Simon's parents show up to help out next season? Did he think he was going to go home announce he was Gay, then just go to bed? Really?

Why do I feel that we will see a very special episode with Jennifer Garner next season?

I'm surprised Disney didn't go with Froy for the Hispanic character.

Froy's too white passing.

In Season 2 I see the mom going to a PFLAG meeting and Simon's parents making a cameo.

They'll probably introduce a new gay kid in season 2, who tries to get between Victor and Benji.

Nothing like a classic love triangle storyline.

I'm half way through it. So annoying we get yet another group of either straight or closeted actors who can't kiss to save their lives. How hard could it be to hire bi or gay actors who are actually comfortable kissing on screen?

Heath Ledger did it, so why can't these guys? It's infuriating. That said, lead is cute though the Latino family is such a stereotype I can't even.

[quote] This is not an adult series. This is a show geared toward 13 year old girls and gays. Anyone who expects sex and nudity is deluded and so desensitized that they think everything is porn.

Yet this was booted out of Disney + for supposedly being too adult in content. It's laughable how conservative Disney is.

[quote] So you guys object to a straight guy playing a gay guy, but are probably all for gay guys playing straight guys. Hypocritical?

We object to (allegedly) straight actors who can't kiss another male on screen without looking fake, no intimacy or chemistry. We find it even funnier because half of these actors are actually closeted gays or bisexual yet can't do their jobs. As for gays playing straight we have so many in Hollywood to count, so it is what it is.

Brandon Flynn had real chemistry with Alisha Boe, their making out and their sex scenes were really hot and intimate. Why can't these losers follow suit?

I have no issue with straight people playing gay. Let’s stop the whining.

Who are they gonna cast? Some prancy diva with a bad attitude who is a drag queen? Imagine that for the lead? This would FLOP.

I know people have criticized the show for hiring straight actors to play gay, but are we forgetting about Lukas Gage? He plays Benji's boyfriend Derek and he's gay irl.

[quote] Lucas Gage is also in the gay slasher episode Midnight Kiss from Hulu's Into The Dark.

Worst episode of the anthology and that's saying a lot, that show is horrible and terribly written.

[quote] I have no issue with straight people playing gay. Let’s stop the whining. Who are they gonna cast? Some prancy diva with a bad attitude who is a drag queen? Imagine that for the lead? This would FLOP.

How about a masculine gay or bi actor or even straight actor who actually doesn't mind kissing another man and who has chemistry with them?

This is the problem, the masculine gays and bi actors just don't want to play gay characters.

Lukas is fine in this show and his making out is believable, maybe he should've been the lead. Now let me get back to the show, I'm on episode 6. Bebe Wood is great.

[quote] I'm starting to think the writers don't know how to write a show where the lead teenage character just happens to be gay

The creators are a straight woman and straight man and they're the main writers on This is Us.

There is nothing wrong with how they wrote this 15 year old gay closeted kid.... what did they do wrong that they don’t know how to write a gay?

[quote] One can bet that while they may have some Latinx writers, it’s unlikely that they are Colombian American ones. I wonder why that particular ethnic/cultural background was chosen.

The actor playing the dad is Colombian American that's why.

There was nothing shown here that makes me not believe they are Colombian AMERICAN.

Notice it’s always a whitey making claims like that.

"But with that face and that body, there is no way he has not been tested..."

Impeccable logic is not in fact based on pecs.

Is that Lukas actor actually out as gay or is this just another one of those myths that get repeated with no qualification and DL then becomes the first or second entry with said actors name and gay in the google search results. I would love to be wrong but I haven't seen anything online discussing the issue either way...

I searched for this as well, and Lukas Gage has never said he was gay r554. It seems to be an assumption because he was in Midnight Kiss, and most of those guys were out gay actors.

Read my post r523 I said for "the whole season" they had 10 episodes they could have cleared that up in 5 episodes. Victor is a fictional character and the writers can do with him what they choose to do. You don't need a whole season to keep a character closeted especially when your intention is to bring him out anyway.

And then people wonder why many actors are scared to play gay. What r555 said is true. Someone plays gay more than once everyone assumes they’re actually gay.

Some actors see it as career suicide.

The actor playing Victor's dad is Colombian, and his mom is Puerto Rican, so that is what they made Victor's ancestry. Victor has a Puerto Rican flag hanging in his room, and he know his Dad's family was said to be from Colombia.

Michael Cimono himself is Puerto Rican.

R556 the whole point of Love Victor (and Simon) is about them being young guys scared to come out. Please stop the shit.

Again, THIS WAS NOT A SHOW FOR YOU.

Read my post r523. I said "the whole season" You don't need a whole season to keep a character closeted especially when you intend to bring him out anyway.

Victor is a fictional character in the witters can write him anyway they chose. Instead of exploring the daily life of a newly out gay teen from a religious Spanish family they chose the typical I'm closeted I have a girlfriend rehash.

I have to laugh at the old goons on here who bitch about a show made for 14 year olds.

Let me put it bluntly, this series was not made for your old ass. This was made for todays youth. You watch, that is your business, but you are not their target audience. Your time has passed. You are done.

I have to laugh at a bunch of old goons for on this thread who worry about how a bunch of teenage actors kiss each other.

Love Simon solved its closeted crisis in less than 2 hours this show had 5 hours

Actually, it makes sense to have Victor stay closeted all of season one. In reality, it would have made sense to keep him closeted until college, but if not, keeping him in the closet for season one makes perfect sense.

This is a series with 10 30 minute episodes. Season 1 was about him struggling to come out. Season 2 will be the struggle after coming out. Makes sense.

If you dont like dont watch. This show is NOT FOR YOU ANYWAY.

Michael Cimino is 20 and George Sears is 22, they aren't teenagers r562.

r562 because Simon was made into a film. If it were adapted into a series it would have also taken 5 hours....

Also, old white fucks, please stop comparing Simon, a white kid from an upper middle class family in a big beautiful home in the suburbs whose parents are so liberal they have "protest shoes" to Victor, a Hispanic kid from a broke family living in an apartment in the "poor" part of a rich suburb whose family is super religious and conservative.

Simon knew his family most likely would not care and he was still terrified, so imagine what someone like Victor feels....

Victor's family is not broke bw, they would be considered solidly middle class. He just feels poor because the school he goes to has a lot of kids from very upper middle class families.

They are poor compared to the people he goes to school with.

r545

Funny how you pivot to stereotypes... Of course you have no problem with straight actors being cast in lead roles as gay characters...

How many young gay actors are straight acting???? The only one I can think of is Brandon Flynn, who would not be able to play this role.

R561 you can have my stuff

I thought Victor's character was believable. He tells us he's the family "fixer." the peacemaker. He hates conflict. He also tells us he wants to fit in, he wants to be accepted, he wants to be liked. Victor is not the guy who is going to call attention to himself. He hates rejection. The scene where Benji tells him he's transferring to another job, and they need to stay out of one another's way, Victor is crushed. But as for the kissing, I agree with the criticism. But maybe it's to be expected from kids who aren't experienced in general.

It was his first kiss with a dude and there was no lack of passion on Victor's part, the lack came from Benji, who is in a relationship.

What is interesting is that neither Love, Simon nor Love, Victor went for the mean high school girls clique trope. Love Simon's villain was the nerdy kid who blackmailed Simon into hooking him up with a date with his friend. And in Love, Victor it's the basketball jock threatened by the new guy (Victor).

Both schools seem to have a rather nurturing environment where bullying doesn't seem to happen. And most of the drama comes from the leads fully expecting these friendly and supportive environments (In Simon's case also his uber Liberal parents) turning toxic the moment they come out. In a sense it's like with 13 Reasons Why where, in season one, the female lead was convinced that her only way out was suicide when she had a loving support system (like Clay), but she chose to completely ignore it, so she could favor her exit through suicide.

Benji had his own struggle to make his relationship with his boyfriend work. I think what bothered him most about the kiss was that now his boyfriend wasn't the only one to blame for the relationship not working. And Benji wanted to make sure that if the relationship ends it's not his fault.

r573 its not both schools... it is the same exact school.

There was bullying in Love, Simon from the two straight guys who bullied Ethan and then made fun of Simon in front of the whole school before the drama teacher (now VP) tore them up, and ignorance from the then Vice Principal who assumed Ethan and Simon were a couple because they are both gay.

Victor does not have many bullies because he is friends with the bullies throughout the show. If he did not start dating Mia he would have been bullied by Andrew and co.

I loved the Victor/Benji kiss scene. It was sad but well done. I understood how Victor was feeling 100%.

R555 The reason I believe Lukas isn't straight is because of articles like this one

[quote]Aside from the very first victim, all of the gay characters are played by out gay actors. Surprisingly, that directive came from the top. “Blumhouse and Hulu were very excited by this idea of casting queer actors to play characters,” said Smith, who admitted he was skeptical at first. “My initial reaction was, ‘Wait, if you’re saying a queer actor has to play a queer character, aren’t you also saying a queer actor can’t play a straight character?'”

[quote] masculine gays

You rang?

Thanks for the clip R576. This is the very core of it. "I can't keep denying this. I am what you think I am, but I hate it. I don't want my life to be this hard."

Victor's family isn't very religious at all. You hardly ever see them pray they don't talk about God much at all and they never go to church.

R580 really? They state they are Christians first.

Lukas Gage, who probably has been on DL if he's gay, played a hot boy toy on Midnight Kiss. The movie can be streamed on Hulu.

He looks so much better with her hair grown out in that surfer look. I'm going to keep an eye on him since he's a good actor that can play gay or straight, but he is convincingly gay on screen which is a nice change from most actors.

Augie Prew is underused. He needs to loose a little weight, though. He's been becoming the male equivalent of matronly.

*lose a little weight

r583 yes he looked haggard.

[quote]Augie Prew is underused. He needs to lose a little weight, though. He's been becoming the male equivalent of matronly.

Same with his husband Jefferey Self. I watched the latest season of "Search Party" and thought Jefferey had lost weight, but this season was filmed in 2018.

I’m sure the producers want all ages of viewers to watch. Speaking for myself a really old guy who had a hard time coming out I enjoy the show.

When Victor said his mother stopped watching Jimmy Kimmel because she had impure thoughts it gave you the impression they were religious.

R587 of course they want people to watch but that doesn’t change who their target audience is.

R521, they state it but they don't show it.

I don't think they even say grace before dinner.

Damn, i meant r581

R589 ummmm were they supposed to show them in church every week?

No, but a family that is supposedly very religious might say a prayer now and then, or even refer to the Almighty, even in passing…

R589 R590 They had the flashback scene in church with the dad making fun of the obviously gay guy. They also showed his mom hammering a cross into the wall in the kitchen.

I just saw a movie or TV show where the boyfriend goes to church with the family, but I can't remember what it was

It's nice to see opening credits... a rarity these days. Nice little binge series. The scene where he and Felix have chat outside was touching,

The boy who plays Felix reminds me of a young Christian Slater.