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The Boy Band TAKE THAT

Were they considered a good group? I’ve been checking out some of their videos and concerts on YouTube...they didn’t suck and in some ways better than their US counterparts. I like their gay sound. Their manager is gay, right? Because in some of their videos they look like they are attending a Sunday tea dance...and surprisingly, all of them are heterosexuals too. Married and with kids.

What say DLers?

by Anonymousreply 216Last Friday at 6:17 AM

I unashamedly love Take That. Some fantastic tunes.

by Anonymousreply 106/15/2020

I like their version of COULD IT BE MAGIC...the video is a real hoot.

by Anonymousreply 206/15/2020

it's 10 years old, but gary barlow was aging nicely here

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by Anonymousreply 306/15/2020

I’m surprised at how handsome Gary Barlow is. Robbie had the star quality and it is hard to notice the others when they were onstage together. For me anyway.

by Anonymousreply 406/15/2020

Saw them perform on stage in a gay bar in Bournemouth, England before they got famous.

by Anonymousreply 506/15/2020

It blew my mind the twink dancing in a crop top ended up being straight.

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by Anonymousreply 606/15/2020

They may be all straight, but they had no problem in their early days grovelling for gay men's money before they got the young female market.

by Anonymousreply 706/15/2020

They were meant to be the U.K. version of New Kids On The Block (and they were), but unlike NK’s who had worldwide success, Take That never took off in America and only had one hit (Back For Good).

And I still think Robbie is gay even if he is married to a woman (that looks like a man).

by Anonymousreply 806/15/2020

I played "Back for good" so much my husband threatened to throw the stereo in the street . That is the gayest goddamn video Ive ever seen R6 ! They ALL look like screaming queens ! I loved Robbie most,but Gary was a very close 2nd. So handsome. I neither knew nor cared about the other 2 .

by Anonymousreply 906/15/2020

This is one of the gayest videos of which I know.

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by Anonymousreply 1006/15/2020

I absolutely adore Take That. Only discovered them after they reformed in 2005. The Circus and Progress (for which Robbie returned) are their two best albums IMO.

I went to see them in concert once and got front row seats which was awesome in theory Until all the aging frau from the cheap seats swarmed up front. The crazy frau next to me was telling me how she stalks them and said she would tell me which hotel they were staying in if i wanted to know. I declined.

by Anonymousreply 1106/15/2020

Superficial comment: Robbie Williams (b. 1974) used to mock Gary Barlow (b. 1971) for being the "old" one in the group, but Barlow looks much more youthful than Williams in middle age.

by Anonymousreply 1206/15/2020

Robbie and Gary made a pretty sexy gaybait music video in 2010, very Brokeback-ish.

Gary is beautiful.

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by Anonymousreply 1306/15/2020

R13 Fucking lame. So sick of gay baiting shit. And idiots like you eat it up.

by Anonymousreply 1406/15/2020

I know they're a 90s band, but looking back on them, they seem so very 80s. Even Robbie's solo efforts seem to harken to the 80s.

by Anonymousreply 1506/15/2020

[quote] Were they considered a good group?

Were they a positive group?

by Anonymousreply 1606/15/2020

The Circus is a genuinely great pop album. Not a single track on the entire thing is even slightly bad, all of them are good, and at least half of them are all-time classics which will be played for decades.

Great, great record.

by Anonymousreply 1706/15/2020

Gary was always the fat one who wrote the songs. It honestly, he's aged the best out of all of them. Mark looks like an aging lesbian and Robbie is rough. The other two, Jason and Howie always seemed interchangeable to me.

by Anonymousreply 1806/15/2020

Why didn’t they win over US audiences?

by Anonymousreply 1906/16/2020

I remember seeing this on television when I would have been nine years old, and that it made me feel and think things that I had never done before. I had a distinct memory of thinking that I couldn't wait to be a grown-up, so I could also do things like this.

Take That made me gay.

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by Anonymousreply 2006/16/2020

R20, I love the sexy cheesiness of that! Euro men are not afraid of camp. Would N’Sync or 98 Degrees have done something like this?

by Anonymousreply 2106/16/2020

[quote]Why didn’t they win over US audiences?

Because their music sucked and was dated. Between 1990-1995, new jack swing, rap and grunge was what was popular in the US and pop had faded out of popularity.

Plus they were ugly like most British people.

by Anonymousreply 2206/16/2020

Has Jason found the right girl yet?

by Anonymousreply 2306/16/2020

This is nice

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by Anonymousreply 2406/16/2020

Never mind r22. 🙄🙄

by Anonymousreply 2506/16/2020

I can't think of another hugely successful boy band that bared as much onstage as Take That.

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by Anonymousreply 2606/16/2020

Howard again, writhing.

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by Anonymousreply 2706/16/2020

Gary Barlow is a tax-dodging Tory cunt.

by Anonymousreply 2806/16/2020

[quote] it made me feel and think things that I had never done before

Have you ever been to you, R20?

by Anonymousreply 2906/16/2020

Charlene is from Manchester, England England, is she not?

by Anonymousreply 3006/16/2020

R30, she’s not from the Isle of Greece. I know that much.

by Anonymousreply 3106/16/2020

I forget who it was, either Gary or Robbie, but one of the them said in an interview that during their heyday, the band spent 80% or more of their time learning choreographer and basically told "don't worry about the music".

by Anonymousreply 3206/16/2020

They performed at lots of gay clubs when they were trying to make it, at a time when other mainstream acts would not have dared acknowledge that they had gay fans.They definitely played up to the gay press in a cheeky but friendly way. They maintained a gay fan base as a result. Their music was not to my taste, but even I recognise that Gary Barlow is a talented songwriter.

by Anonymousreply 3306/16/2020

The band was made as a vehicle to Gary Barlow, before luch his solo career. He was the star of the group, at least on paper because Robbie stole his spotlight pretty soon.

The clothes was quite audatious.

And yes, they were the uk response to nkotb and even they only had once hit in the USA (in the 90's usa charts were tough for foreigners) globally they had more success an lasted longer

by Anonymousreply 3406/16/2020

A still from their music video for "Do What You Like."

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by Anonymousreply 3506/16/2020

They didn’t really need US validation. They seemed to be loved everywhere else.

by Anonymousreply 3606/16/2020

I liked solo Robbie Williams but was never a Take That fan

by Anonymousreply 3706/16/2020

Barlow does seem a tad ballad heavy in his solo career. I liked the dance stuff better. The videos are so cheesy and fun.

by Anonymousreply 3806/16/2020

"Rule the World" is probably my favourite.

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by Anonymousreply 3906/16/2020

R7, like Samantha in SATC said, first the gays, then the girls...

by Anonymousreply 4006/16/2020

It's strange how Gary was okay looking but plain while Robbie was the hot one when they were young, but now that they're old Gary is the silver fox and Robbie looks like a taxi driver.

by Anonymousreply 4106/16/2020

The Take That episode of Star Stories is a work of art

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by Anonymousreply 4206/16/2020

Robbie Williams had a lot of bad habits. Gary Barlow married a dancer. She probably helped him keep his weight (and eating habits) in check.

by Anonymousreply 4306/16/2020

Nothing you can do for a lazy eye though

by Anonymousreply 4406/16/2020

Gary B. & son Daniel

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by Anonymousreply 4506/16/2020

Robbie is adorable.

by Anonymousreply 4606/16/2020

With all due apologies to the band as a whole, nothing they did even at the height of their popularity could ever equal Robbie at Knebworth

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by Anonymousreply 4706/16/2020

Here's the full Star Stories episode.

"I watched you tonight and I think you've got something."

"Really?"

"Yes. A fucking eating disorder."

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by Anonymousreply 4806/16/2020

Baby Barlow is hot...please tell me he’s above the legal age of consent.

by Anonymousreply 4906/16/2020

He’s 20.

by Anonymousreply 5006/16/2020

Fat Gary Barlow before the lap band.

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by Anonymousreply 5106/16/2020

Is that his mom at R51?

by Anonymousreply 5206/16/2020

His music is rather ballad heavy.

by Anonymousreply 5306/16/2020

R53, are you also R38?

by Anonymousreply 5406/16/2020

Robbie is fun to watch in Rock DJ.

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by Anonymousreply 5506/16/2020

R55 as a gayling I made my neighbor (same age as me, around 11) dance to this and strip off for my amusement. I also touched his peepee.

by Anonymousreply 5606/16/2020

Tell us more, R56.

by Anonymousreply 5706/16/2020

r56's friend is Mark Perper.

by Anonymousreply 5806/16/2020

I always preferred East 17 over Take That.

by Anonymousreply 5906/16/2020

As a teenager when TT were in their prime Howard was always first up in the wank bank. Amazing body, pierced nipple and super flexible.

But 25 years on I can look back and marvel at how beautiful Jason Orange was, especially in the Pray video. Rumour has it stoked Lulu's fire and she got quite attached to him. Jason Orange was big leggy.

Top 5 Take Take Tracks are: Pray, Patience, Rule The World, Love Don't Love Here Anymore, Back For Good

Really not a fan of solo Robbie, absolutely loathe Angels with a passion and can't understand why it became the anthem it did. No Regrets is his finest moment, elevated by Neils Tennant and Hannon. Robbie's greatest contribution to music remains Kylie's Your Disco Needs You, now two decades old.

One of the music channels here keeps showing Gary's Love Won't Wait video, which was not his best, and you can see Madonna didn't bother recording the song. He gave up on of his songs for John Barrowman to record for one of his solo albums. What About Us isn't a Barlow classic but close your eyes and imagine Dionne Warwick recording it in the early 80s.

Oh and Mark's Clementine single was quite good.

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by Anonymousreply 6006/16/2020

[Quote] Rumour has it stoked Lulu's fire and she got quite attached to him.

That story instantly made me think that Jason was gay, and their gay manager (Nigel Martin Smith) put the rumor out as a smokescreen.

by Anonymousreply 6106/16/2020

I love "Love Won't Wait" but I loathe Barlow's version. It should have been given to a Philly soul diva, like Loleatta Holloway.

by Anonymousreply 6206/16/2020

Never Forget is also an amazing track. One of the few that puts Howard on lead vocals. It’s definitely a fan favourite for that reason.

by Anonymousreply 6306/17/2020

I only learned in the past year that Howard sings "Never Forget." The music video is a montage. I thought for years that Barlow's voice was particularly nasal and "off" on that recording. Turns out it was the Donald.

by Anonymousreply 6406/17/2020

"Never Forget" was their final single (before their second lease of life comeback). It capped off their "boy" era. Its status isn't entirely down to Howard.

by Anonymousreply 6506/17/2020

Their sound is thin and flat. Production is off.

by Anonymousreply 6606/17/2020

I like the fact that when they now sing Never Forget live on tour, they often get their support act to fill in for Robbie Williams.

by Anonymousreply 6706/17/2020

Poor Gary - simply aching to be Dame Gary Barlow.

by Anonymousreply 6806/17/2020

A bit leggy? What does that mean?

by Anonymousreply 6906/17/2020

Not a bit leggy, but BIG LEGGY!

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by Anonymousreply 7006/17/2020

Yeah, that's not going to happen.

by Anonymousreply 7106/17/2020

I remember Gary and Mark giving advice to Ruth Lorenzo on the X factor. They were so good at giving advice that her version was better than the original

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by Anonymousreply 7206/17/2020

if you were a gay euro in the 90's these guys were ALL you talked about

by Anonymousreply 7306/17/2020

[Quote] if you were a gay euro in the 90's these guys were ALL you talked about

Hardly.

by Anonymousreply 7406/17/2020

R73: It was so mainstream that there's a scene in How to build a girl where the protagonist and her gay brother go to a Take that concert after his coming out.

R74: Kylie had a tough time in the 90's, she had several hits (Confide in me was number 2) but no number one and the sales of her albums were no good. Spinning around rescue her with the change of decade

by Anonymousreply 7506/17/2020

EuroGays aren't concerned with album sales.

by Anonymousreply 7606/17/2020

[quote]Kylie had a tough time in the 90's, she had several hits (Confide in me was number 2) but no number one and the sales of her albums were no good. Spinning around rescue her with the change of decade

LIES

LIES

LIES

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by Anonymousreply 7706/17/2020

And on the subject of Kylie, it still fucks me off they STOLE her Give Me Just A Little More Time video when they did Everything Changes.

It's a DISGRACE.

by Anonymousreply 7806/17/2020

R77: You are right, her only number one of the 90's was released on january of 1990. Everything went downhill after that.

Anyway, her problem weren't the singles, she had a good bunch of top 10 hits but the sales of the albums

by Anonymousreply 7906/17/2020

Musically, Barlow was the true talent of the band with writing most of their songs. He sang a duet with Agnetha from Abba!

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by Anonymousreply 8006/17/2020

[quote]I remember Gary and Mark giving advice to Ruth Lorenzo on the X factor. They were so good at giving advice that her version was better than the original

Leona Lewis benefited from Gary Barlow's X Factor intervention too. Telling Cowell not to fuck up her career and to treat her as an artist.

And he came out of the Misha B racism scandal well. She was complimentary about him, said he was supportive and refused to join in the bullying of her.

by Anonymousreply 8106/17/2020

Leona Lewis' career crashed and burned, did it not?

by Anonymousreply 8206/17/2020

Bleeding Love and the Spirit album both made #1 in the UK and US.

Cowell would have had her doing Barry Manilow covers if he had the chance, rather than linking her up with Clive Davis and Ryan Tedder.

by Anonymousreply 8306/17/2020

I had never heard of them until I watched the HBO series Lookng...........Kevin (Russell Tovey) was telling the character Patrick (Jonathan Groff) in Bed, post coital, that he had a huge thing for that boy band when he was growing up.

by Anonymousreply 8406/17/2020

R83: Cowell simply wants to cash on the talent show contestants while they are popular (it's very usual in the talent show world). He doesn't see them as artists.

People like Olly Murs or Will Young survived because they knew what they wanted to do, but when the singer is very young or naive the posibilities of a long career are crushed.

And he is very manipulative, i remember the first pop idol and he made believe everyone Gareth Bates was the big favourite because he wanted him to win because he was just a teen and easy to manipulate and of course Young was gay (and he came out eight months before even release the first album). Then the numbers came and Young was the one with more votes most of the weeks. Anyway he made everything in his hand to make look like Bates was the one having more success (even when sales said otherwise).

The fact that Young's second album was a big success was a big fuck you to him

by Anonymousreply 8506/17/2020

If Cowell could have sold Westlife to the US, he would have. The US was more receptive to Leona Lewis. It is as simple as that.

by Anonymousreply 8606/17/2020

The problem with Leona was the fact that they didn't planned the whole thing well.

Yes, Bleeding love was a huge success but release ballad after ballad after ballad is never a good idea. Sam Smith survived but for Leona was the kiss of death when the first single of her second album flopped

by Anonymousreply 8706/17/2020

[quote]And he is very manipulative, i remember the first pop idol and he made believe everyone Gareth Bates was the big favourite because he wanted him to win because he was just a teen and easy to manipulate and of course Young was gay (and he came out eight months before even release the first album). Then the numbers came and Young was the one with more votes most of the weeks. Anyway he made everything in his hand to make look like Bates was the one having more success (even when sales said otherwise).

GATES. Gareth GATES.

by Anonymousreply 8806/17/2020

R88: Yes, i'm sorry. Gates, it's Gates

by Anonymousreply 8906/17/2020

[quote]Yes, i'm sorry. Gates, it's Gates

It could happen to anyone of us

by Anonymousreply 9006/17/2020

[quote]It could happen to anyone of us

A (very) stupid mistake

by Anonymousreply 9106/17/2020

I never really heard Jason speak so I searched him up on YouTube and boy does he ping. Also watched a live performance of him singing Wooden Boat. He has a lovely voice so it’s a shame he was never given the chance to sing lead as often as the some of the others.

by Anonymousreply 9206/18/2020

Robbie is said to have a big ego...what stories do y’all have? Didn’t he and Gary almost come to blows?

by Anonymousreply 9306/18/2020

I haven’t thought about the band, or more specifically, Robbie Williams for decades. But when I read his name, I went back to my younger 90’s ideology that he was gay. I was very surprised and dismayed to see he’s straight.

It’s an interesting feeling to realize some time after the fact that you were a victim of gay baiting. Those bastards!

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I wouldn't be surprised if he's lying.

by Anonymousreply 9506/18/2020

I like Jason. He was clearly anxious about his level of talent; was the most reluctant of the four to reform the group; had obviously been given a hard time by Robbie, who apologised for this specifically; was uncomfortable with the short-lived Robbie return Barlow fixed up; was the only one not to get involved in the tax dodging business and has now returned to a quiet life again.

by Anonymousreply 9606/18/2020

[quote]I wouldn't be surprised if he's lying.

What's more likely?

1. Robbie Williams is gay and has deliberately concocted a string of fake relationships to hide this, including Nicole Appleton from All Saints aborting her pregnancy and his current relationship with Ayda Field who has given birth to 4 of his children.

2. Robbie Williams is straight and likes fucking women, and especially enjoys fucking his wife who has given birth to 4 of his kids.

3. Robbie Williams is bisexual and mostly has relationships with women but likes some cock on the side.

by Anonymousreply 9706/18/2020

I'm obsessed with Robbie Williams. Like, to the point that it's a bit detrimental to my life. But I never liked Take That.

by Anonymousreply 9806/18/2020

But I have never heard anything about Robbie and a man. Gordon Ramsay, yes. More than once. So I can believe that Ramsay is bisexual...but other than his camp image...I don’t think that he is. He’s made comments about his sexuality in the press, but it was more like he was having a go with the reporters. He loves talking smack.

by Anonymousreply 9906/18/2020

Wasnt there some scandal of a gay guy killing himself at Robbies mansion ? Too lazy to google ,but my memorys pretty good.

by Anonymousreply 10006/18/2020

That was Michael Barrymore's downfall.

by Anonymousreply 10106/18/2020

Ha ! I still got it !

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by Anonymousreply 10206/18/2020

Wow...I’m gonna guess that Robbie was not involved...maybe his hairdresser asked him for a loan and Robbie refused?

by Anonymousreply 10306/18/2020

Reading that hairdresser story I'd completely forgotten about Jonathan Wilkes.

He's like the male version of Lizzie Cundy he's so undeserving of any notoriety.

by Anonymousreply 10406/18/2020

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by Anonymousreply 10506/22/2020

there are rumors of gordon ramsay with men???

by Anonymousreply 10606/22/2020

They’ve been whispered about forever.

by Anonymousreply 10706/22/2020

I knew about the one where he was arrested with two other guys naked in a public restroom, but the story was they were drunk and just having a laugh.? Oooh I bet Gordon is an aplha top.

by Anonymousreply 10806/23/2020

Allegedly Gordon likes the occasional boy twink. Sort of the way that Gary Barlow looks in the Instagram photo upthread.

by Anonymousreply 10906/23/2020

Jason is the only one that hasn't bred multiple times. And if he fucked Lulu, I'm Meghan Markle.

by Anonymousreply 11006/23/2020

Reading the older threads about TT it sounds like Barlow has a bit of an ego too. I think that Robbie Williams would have pummeled him.

by Anonymousreply 11106/26/2020

Of course he had an ego. He could write and sing. Some of his bandmates could do little more than shake it.

by Anonymousreply 11206/26/2020

He’s very good. Why’d he struggle with a solo career while Williams seemed to flourish?

by Anonymousreply 11306/26/2020

He's lacking in charisma.

by Anonymousreply 11406/26/2020

I’ve been enjoying Gary’s Crooner sessions on YouTube and Instagram. His concerts are decent too. But one of the members, Orange, quit the group because he “realized” that he wasn’t all that talented and blamed the group’s manager, Nigel, for filling his head with ideas that he was.

by Anonymousreply 11506/29/2020

[Quote] But one of the members, Orange, quit the group because he “realized” that he wasn’t all that talented and blamed the group’s manager, Nigel, for filling his head with ideas that he was.

What? Jason Orange only left in the last few years. His attempts at an acting career brought him down to reality - long before Take That regrouped.

by Anonymousreply 11606/29/2020

Yes r116. You’re right. What acting did he do? He and Donald were the closest thing to models in that group.

by Anonymousreply 11706/29/2020

Robbie Williams has done albums with standards/Great American Songbook-type stuff. Has Gary Barlow ever released anything like that, or does he mostly do his own stuff?

by Anonymousreply 11806/29/2020

You can peruse some of Barlow's album credits here. It's funny how they US release cropped the cover image of his debut to lesser effect.

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by Anonymousreply 11906/29/2020

His second album isn't listed at the link above, though.

by Anonymousreply 12006/29/2020

I’ll say this much after watching X Factor clips on YouTube and I will gladly take hits for it.

Gary Barlow PINGS! He does. His hand movements, the way he sits, the slightly femme way he talks. Maybe it’s a European/UK thing. There’s a lot of straight men who have effeminate mannerisms.

by Anonymousreply 12107/05/2020

Gary Barlow, Tory lackey and would rim Boris Johnson if Boris told him to, tax dodger, wants a knighthood before Beckham receives one.

He could have been very successful in Hollywood with his backstabbing skills.

by Anonymousreply 12207/05/2020

Too tubby for Tinsletown.

by Anonymousreply 12307/05/2020

Has Barlow ever explained why he was involved in this tax dodging scheme? Has anyone ever read his autobiography?

by Anonymousreply 12407/06/2020

You want to know why Gary Barlow wanted to keep more of his money? That's a head scratcher, alright.

by Anonymousreply 12507/06/2020

Lol r125, I want to know his spin on it.

by Anonymousreply 12607/06/2020

According to his autobiography, Barlow claimed to not checking up on his books and where is money was going, and when he found out, paid the back taxes. But he made no public apology and got dinged for it.

by Anonymousreply 12707/06/2020

DIdn't they do a photo spread in some magazine/website that they were all sorta naked in a spa like environment?

by Anonymousreply 12807/06/2020

Okay I found several pieces of dish on Barlow; though a married family man, he was rumored to have hooked up with gay indie rock singer Kele and diddled fellow TT member Mark Owen. But Pete Townsend and Gavin Rossdale were the other to alleged Kele hookups. And someone on the Bigbrothers.com forums claims he had an affair with Barlow a dozen years ago. He spilled the beans when Gary ended it. Is anyone here familiar with Kele?

As for Robbie Williams, I got nothing. The subject of many a rumor but no names. He and Gary look quite bromance-y in some photos as well as that “Shame” video. But other than that - nada.

Do people from the UK tolerate bisexuality more than Americans? Especially when they are married?

by Anonymousreply 12907/11/2020

Kele Okereke? He's Simon Amstell's ex.

by Anonymousreply 13007/11/2020

Amstell the comic actor or whatever he is? I’m familiar with him.

Kele was boasting about his conquest to several friends over the years.

by Anonymousreply 13107/11/2020

Pray

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by Anonymousreply 13207/11/2020

^This video is majorly homoerotic. Most of their videos were in the beginning.

by Anonymousreply 13307/11/2020

Gay? I don't see it.

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by Anonymousreply 13407/11/2020

Versayce.

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by Anonymousreply 13507/11/2020

Pants.

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by Anonymousreply 13607/11/2020

Mark Owen was cute, but he has not aged well.

I thought that all of them were married with children.

by Anonymousreply 13707/11/2020

Jason is still heartbroken over Lulu.

by Anonymousreply 13807/11/2020

Champagne for Lulu!

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by Anonymousreply 13907/11/2020

Lulu? What’s up with that?

by Anonymousreply 14007/11/2020

Yeah, what's up with that?

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by Anonymousreply 14107/11/2020

I think British men are better at compartmentalizing and therefore they have no hangups about having same sex dalliances while being in a “traditional” heterosexual marriage.

by Anonymousreply 14207/11/2020

R141, who is the hot man next to Lulu?

by Anonymousreply 14307/11/2020

it's Stuart Manning R143...but he doesn't look like that anymore

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by Anonymousreply 14407/11/2020

Angus MacFadyen.

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by Anonymousreply 14507/11/2020

cougar Lulu got around

by Anonymousreply 14607/11/2020

But were they all photo ops?

by Anonymousreply 14707/11/2020

Stuart is ADORABLE ! Id totally hit that .

by Anonymousreply 14807/11/2020

R144, what a fall from Grace....

by Anonymousreply 14907/11/2020

Once Lulu is done with you, it's over.

by Anonymousreply 15007/12/2020

Lulu is the Mrs. Robinson of the UK entertainment world.

by Anonymousreply 15107/12/2020

And how!

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by Anonymousreply 15207/12/2020

Bring back the boy bands! I'm tired of Kpop sameness.

by Anonymousreply 15307/12/2020

Gary’s chocolate bar

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by Anonymousreply 15407/12/2020

Gary was breathtakingly beautiful.

by Anonymousreply 15507/12/2020

He still is.

by Anonymousreply 15607/12/2020

....caption this

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by Anonymousreply 15707/12/2020

I think that Robbie Williams has had a nose job at some point in his career.

by Anonymousreply 15807/17/2020

.....love.

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by Anonymousreply 15907/17/2020

I prefer Robbie Williams. Barlow sings mostly lame elevator music. Whether solo or with the other two members. At least Robbie has personality. I can’t believe that he made any kind of comeback with that cliched tripe he sings. The band was better when all five of them were singing pop dance music. After listening to his stuff on YouTube that’s my opinion. Gary can sing but the stuff that he writes - Josh Grogan level mediocrity. Perfect for his frau fan base.

by Anonymousreply 16007/20/2020

Bump. Caught this on YouTube. I guess Jason couldn’t sing after all. AAMOF, several of their songs used session vocalists in the studio.

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by Anonymousreply 16108/15/2020

There are several good later video versions of Could This Be The Magic. I like this rather lavish one.

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by Anonymousreply 16208/15/2020

They did put on good shows. I have watched several concerts on YouTube. For all the hate on Robbie, Gary was the arrogant one. And a shameless cash grabber. Robbie actually comes across as a decent sort.

by Anonymousreply 16308/15/2020

So Take That was like a UK version of New Kids but targeted the gay club audience before transitioning to a more mainstream hetero sound. Reminds me of how Backstreet and New Kids were the white versions of Boyz II Men and New Edition and originally R&B groups played on black radio before whitewashing their sound.

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by Anonymousreply 16410/15/2020

I think New Edition was the best boy band ever...all of them weren't that good looking, save for Ralph and later Johnny Gill, but their choreography and harmonies were always spot on.

by Anonymousreply 16510/15/2020

R165 Agreed. New Edition was definitely the most talented and had the best discography. It helps they never were targeted towards just kids, they were an R&B group so their audience always included adults.

NKOTB were deliberately created to be a white version by NE's ex-manager. Most of the boy bands of the 90s like Backstreet Boys, NSYNC, Take That, Westlife and etc. were created to profit off the R&B groups like Boyz II Men, Jodeci, Blackstreet, All-4-One.

by Anonymousreply 16610/15/2020

R157

Favorite docking partners.

by Anonymousreply 16710/15/2020

Really R166? They used the money they made from the black groups to finance the white ones? Maurice Starr was one of the few black managers/producers of a white boy band.

by Anonymousreply 16810/15/2020

R&B was one of the most popular genres of music in the 80s and 90s. Whitney, Prince, Anita, TLC, Toni, Mariah, Boyz II Men, Brandy, Aaliyah, Bobby Brown, Joe I, SWV and Janet were big on the charts.

NKOTB was probably the first to be intentionally created to profit off it. New Edition was mostly the 1980s but they got little to no airplay on MTV. So Maurice Starr after getting fired by NE decided to prove his theory that had NE been white boys they would have ruled the charts. The surprise success of his newly formed group NKOTB proved him right. He just picked up a bunch of ghetto white boys from Dorchester and gave them a bunch of NE leftover songs and a choreographed hip-hop dance routine and they got huge. Its even telling that Boston even acknowledged NKOTB before giving props to NE and Bobby Brown.

All these later boy bands were created as a way to market R&B music to teenage white suburban audiences. Many white parents weren't comfortable with their kids listening to love songs sung by black guys and crushing on them. But if it was non-threatening pretty white boys it would be fine.

Backstreet Boys and NSYNC were created to hop on the new jack swing/R&B craze of the 90s. Their debut albums were mostly R&B songs with black songwriters. NSYNC went further and had rap features and did covers of Janet songs.

98 Degrees also were signed on Motown. Westlife had a song with Mariah Carey. Britney Spears herself was lab created to be a mix of Janet, The Spice Girls and TLC into one package.

by Anonymousreply 16910/15/2020

I must say that UK boy bands tend to have more pure pop or pop rock sounds in comparison to American ones. Take That and Westlife likely didn't find success in The US because they sounded so different despite superficially resembling NKOTB and Backstreet Boys. One Direction's success is surprising but I guess it's because in the late 2000s and early '10s, synthpop and pop rock became big in the US with Gaga, Katy, Rihanna and Kesha before trap took over again in the late 2010s.

by Anonymousreply 17010/15/2020

*rap

by Anonymousreply 17110/15/2020

They are terrific. Gary Barlow is such a good songwriter. Far better than the likes of Westlife, One Direction and whatever the hell those Korean kids are called.

by Anonymousreply 17210/15/2020

If that's true about Gary and Kele, it means Gary is a top.

by Anonymousreply 17310/15/2020

R173....whaaaat? Isn't Barlow kind of short?

I haven't heard any of Kele's music! What's it like?

by Anonymousreply 17410/15/2020

Frankly, NKOTB, NSync' and especially 98 Degrees, were all supremely mediocre. They came across as fake and pandering, especially in their interviews; those "blaccents" were completely offensive and corny AF. I prefer the Euro boy bands a bit more, save for One Direction. I don't get the fuss over them at all.

AND GET OFF MY LAWN.

by Anonymousreply 17510/15/2020

I agree but NKOTB actually came from the poor part of Boston, Dorchester which had a mixed population of poor Irish, Italians and blacks. Jordan and Donnie were white hip-hop fans who breakdanced on the streets and trains for coins. So they were a bit more authentic in that regard. Their music is mostly mediocre though.

by Anonymousreply 17610/15/2020

Now for blaccents. Nick Carter had the most annoying one. As did Justin Timberlake. They were the only ones in their groups that actually did that from what I recall too. Kevin and Brian were country bumpkins. JC never tried to sound like a black dude from the hood and Lance also was a country bumpkin

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by Anonymousreply 17710/15/2020

Nick is a twat, a useless twat. So is Timberlake. He has lost his cred in the black community. I seem to recall one of the black roadies wanted to sue NSYNC for constantly using the N-word and making black jokes a lot. The story quickly disappeared; my guess is that NSYNC's handlers threw some money at the problem to make it go away.

If I were to form my own boy band, I would make sure that they could all sing well and write music. The current and past crops were so manufactured. Some were better than others, but most of them were crap, save for New Edition and Take That in their early days. TT was cheesy but fun. Robbie should have been the front man from the jump.

by Anonymousreply 17810/15/2020

I LOVE this cover of "Back for Good" - please watch at least a few seconds

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by Anonymousreply 17910/15/2020

So Harry Styles, Justin Timberlake, Mark Wahlberg (he was in NKOTB during their first year), Bobby Brown and Robbie Williams were the most successful solo artists from boy bands. And no I don't consider The Beatles of Jackson 5 to be boy bands. I liked Jordan Knight and Ashley Parker Angel's solo stuff but they were too boring to be solo artists.

by Anonymousreply 18010/15/2020

JC Chasez also should have been bigger. Schizophrenic was a good pop album. The singles and song titles they chose were stupid though and his stylist should have been fired ASAP.

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by Anonymousreply 18110/15/2020

Robbie is kinda like Kylie Minogue, Cheryl and Darren Hayes. Well-known in The UK and Australia but basically unheard of in The US. It's shame Robbie's music isn't bad. Ed Sheeran and Sam Smith are big in The US yet he's not.

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by Anonymousreply 18210/15/2020

R179, I am pissing myself...too funny!!!

by Anonymousreply 18310/15/2020

Robbie's "Rock DJ" video got a lot of play in the gay clubs in my city. Because he took his clothes off.

by Anonymousreply 18410/15/2020

This one of the most WTF videos ever

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by Anonymousreply 18510/15/2020

R178 Justin Timberlake would have ended up like Jordan Knight, Joey McIntyre, Nick Carter and JC Chasez with a failed solo career. He must have copied Bobby Brown's playbook because JT hooked up with the hottest producers at the time and got into a high-profile relationship with a much bigger female artist. His breakup with Britney Spears basically saved his solo career and he also profited from the Super Bowl scandal by exposing Janet's titty to the world. Bobby was a flash in the pan though his influence is seen in Usher and his clones which including Timberlake and Chris Brown. MJ and Prince weren't street like Bobby was; Bobby made it cool for R&B stars to act hood rather than following the Motown school of social skills training.

by Anonymousreply 18610/15/2020

This is a very soothing song.

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by Anonymousreply 18710/15/2020

What is the deal with people calling Barlow greedy and money grubbing?

by Anonymousreply 18810/15/2020

R132 that video looked like it was directed by BelAmi

by Anonymousreply 18910/15/2020

I guess Take That, Backstreet Boys and New Kids On The Block are the only boy bands were most of the members were attractive.

by Anonymousreply 19010/15/2020

The latter two groups had some dog face dudes in them too r190.

by Anonymousreply 19110/16/2020

R191

Westlife was pretty hot too. Kevin and AJ were the sexiest in Backstreet. Howie was plain. Brian was an acquired taste. Nick was the cute twink before he got fat. Danny was the ugliest in New Kids on the Block. Donnie was also an acquired taste, his brother was hotter. Jordan, Jon and Joey were all good-looking though

by Anonymousreply 19210/16/2020

Robbie was 16/17 when Take That made their debut. Their early videos had them dancing in leather, shirtless, tight pants, stripteasing, playing with food, etc. So he was sexualized as a teen which was common back then.

by Anonymousreply 19310/16/2020

Brian Littrell is fug...Deliverance Face.

Kevin was beautiful.

Robbie wasn’t conventionally handsome but he photographed well and was the most charismatic member of Take That. Mark Owen was adorable but aged quickly. Fair skin like his never ages well.

by Anonymousreply 19410/16/2020

R188 probably because of the tax avoidance.

by Anonymousreply 19510/16/2020

Robbie is very cute. I mean he's better looking than Justin Timberlake and Harry Styles to me.

by Anonymousreply 19610/16/2020

Robbie also has not aged well. His face has hardened. It's like him and his wife have these really hard-boned faces...whaddup wit dat?

by Anonymousreply 19710/16/2020

Why is Robbie William's bisexuality ignored? I noticed when men are openly bisexual like Robbie Williams, Billie Joe Armstrong, Robert Downey Jr, Brendan Urie, John Mayer and Marlon Brando it gets ignored.

by Anonymousreply 19810/17/2020

Robbie stops short of actually getting involved with men. He panders and likes to keep people guessing. He also threatened to sue a media outlet for accusing him of bisexuality. Pretty rich for someone who started their career with an out gay man for his manager. Same with Gary. He blocked someone on Twitter for saying something similar about his sexuality. But I know the stories about him being with men early in his career. Jason Orange allegedly made out with men at some point too. The gay men ate that shit up in the UK - five young, cute men in leather performing in gay nightclubs. Did any of them shag Nigel?

by Anonymousreply 19910/18/2020

So Robbie was the Harry Styles of the 90s? Bowie and Jagger did it better.

Robbie lost his looks and I don't think anyone is out buying his records anyway. He was never George Michael or Elton John in terms of being critically acclaimed and beloved. He may as well come out and try to profit off of it.

by Anonymousreply 20010/18/2020

His shows are quite exciting though, I’ll say that much.

by Anonymousreply 20110/18/2020

I can see why they never crossed over in The US market. We were over that feelgood dance-pop music by that point. New Kids on The Block was hated anyway, so a British version would never have made it here even if they had much better music. Grunge, alternative, hip-hop, sad ballads, R&B and folk was what was charting. Robbie Williams had no chance because Take That was not known in The US so he could never had built up a fanbase to consume his solo music like in The UK.

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by Anonymousreply 202Last Tuesday at 3:54 PM

Backstreet Boys and NSYNC were big in Europe before The US and knowing Perlman probably had them market chickenhawks at gay clubs. Some of NSYNC's early photoshoots were quite racy especially with JT and Lance being underage.

Nick Carter and the rest of BSB appeared in the US gay teen magazine XY in 1997 when they were just breaking into the US.

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by Anonymousreply 203Last Tuesday at 4:04 PM

Another XY Magazine pic.

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by Anonymousreply 204Last Tuesday at 4:04 PM

Chris looked a million times better with that 90s curtain cut and JC with the caesar cut.

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by Anonymousreply 205Last Tuesday at 4:11 PM

Gary Barlow wrote the execrable music for Harvey Weinstein’s huge flop musical FINDING NEVERLAND. The score is atrocious from start to finish.

by Anonymousreply 206Last Tuesday at 4:14 PM

I’ve never seen the movie r206...any samples?

by Anonymousreply 207Last Wednesday at 7:55 AM

r207 It's not a movie. (There was a non-musical movie, but Barlow had nothing to do with that.)

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by Anonymousreply 208Last Wednesday at 10:04 AM

Barlow seems to believe that he’s the next Great British Songwriter.

He was cute when he was younger and has morphed into a bit of a DILF. But he’s so dull. No matter how he’s packaged, he simply isn’t interesting. That tell-all documentary about TT gets into that; Simon Cowell said that he didn’t get why Nigel made Gary the group leader when he lacked charisma. So did some of the former roadies. They all said that he is dull and boring.

by Anonymousreply 209Last Thursday at 7:34 AM

So Gary was the JC to Robbie's JT. JC was supposed to be the leader of NSYNC but puberty was kind to JT and he had more charisma and cockiness to outstage JC and JT became the fan favorite and lead singer with solos in the last album.

by Anonymousreply 210Last Thursday at 7:45 AM

Another boy band craze will come around again.

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by Anonymousreply 212Last Friday at 5:58 AM

The point above was he could play Matt Gaetz for the biopic relating his ascendance from "roommate" of a gay guy to the presidency of what used to be called the United States of America (before Ca, OR, WA and all the Eastern states bolted around 2028).

by Anonymousreply 213Last Friday at 6:01 AM

I don’t really know them, but hearing about boy bands makes me sad because most, if not all, of them have been sexually abused.

by Anonymousreply 214Last Friday at 6:02 AM

[quote]Mark looks like an aging lesbian

That would definitively be the KD Lang kind of aging lesbian even though I think KD Lang has more facial hair than Mark.

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by Anonymousreply 215Last Friday at 6:07 AM

I lived in europe when they were big and it was ALL you heard about

by Anonymousreply 216Last Friday at 6:17 AM
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