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Assholes and cunts who were deified just because they died young.

John Lennon and James Dean come to mind.

by Anonymousreply 4705/25/2020

Peg Entwistle owns this thread, the only reason she is known is because she died. Got to give it to the girl though for how she did it, make it memorable and people will remember.

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by Anonymousreply 105/24/2020

Janis Joplin. She could barely get through a concert before passing out. I think Lennon had a good run; great song writing and he gave us "Imagine." James Dean? Pretty face but had no range.

by Anonymousreply 205/24/2020

John Lennon wrote many great songs and didn’t die that young...

by Anonymousreply 305/24/2020

He was still a massive asshole

by Anonymousreply 405/24/2020

Kurt Cobain, with the added benefit of mr sensitive who attempted suicide a dozen times getting all his fans to think his wife murdered him.

by Anonymousreply 505/24/2020

R4 So what? Everyone dies eventually, even assholes. OP is asking about assholes who died young.

by Anonymousreply 605/24/2020

40 is considered young when it comes to dying, R3.

What's more interesting is that stars like John Lennon and Elvis and Marilyn were at the end of their rope when they died. Dying revived them. No one thinks of bloated drunken Elvis or anorexic doped up John Lennon now. And the first person who states that Lennon's "Double Fantasy" LP was good gets a punch in the face.

by Anonymousreply 705/24/2020

Marilyn

by Anonymousreply 805/24/2020

R7 You consider 40 as young when it comes to dying? OMG. "Young" is in their 20s. MAYBE low 30s but that's it. Anything over that is NOT young!

by Anonymousreply 905/24/2020

OP, by assholes I mean that they were basically nasty assholes (or cunts) when they were alive.

Lennon was a massive asshole, specially to his son and first wife. James Dean was also assholish.

Marilyn wasn't a cunt. By all acounts she was a very sweet (albeit troubled) woman. The same goes for Judy Garland.

by Anonymousreply 1005/24/2020

Anothe asshole who died relatively young (or not that old) was Steve Jobbs.

A major cunt was Empress Alexandra.

by Anonymousreply 1105/24/2020

Paul walker the guy who was in the fast and furious movies. He wasn’t particular vicious but it’s strange how everybody is glossing over his history of dating teenagers.

by Anonymousreply 1205/24/2020

I read a biography on Jim Morrison and I ended up hating him by the end. He had very few redeeming qualities.

by Anonymousreply 1305/24/2020

History lesson: MM was not at the end of her rope, professionally. She had negotiated a return to the film she was fired from - with a raise - and got the (cunt) director George Cukor replaced. Her career was back on track.

by Anonymousreply 1405/24/2020

[quote] 40 is considered young when it comes to dying, [R3].

Not in that crowd. I would even say 30s Is pushing it for a musician. But Steve Jobs in his 50s and Bourdain just past 60 were both young relatively speaking.

But doped up Lennon and fat Elvis are exactly how I remember them.

by Anonymousreply 1505/24/2020

Jim Morrison, he would beat this shit out of his girlfriend/common-law wife Pamela, and the groupies he had sex with or attempted to have sex with. and I remember reading books about him like R13 mentioned like "No one here gets out alive" and Ray Manzarek's autobiography and Morrison also apparently liked to extinguish lit cigarettes on women.

Contrary to what people theorize he did not fake his death, and he overdosed on heroin-which from what friends who are opiate/polydrug addicts tell me is extremely easy to do even if the person has a tolerance to opiates-and he had used or tried pretty much every single other drug that was available so it was just a matter of time before he used dope/smack/heroin and Pamela was into using heroin long before he was.

He was an incredibly toxic person and even got the young kid/teen Danny Sugerman who started to answer Morrison's fan mail into hard drugs...not that he needed encouragement as the youth culture of the 1960s and 1970s encouraged drug use and everyone who was over 30 was "old", out of touch or square, or part of the establishment and not to be trusted.

by Anonymousreply 1605/24/2020

Must be a lot of elders on here if ages 50 through 60s are considered 'young.' Anthony Bourdain? I'm very sorry the man died but he did not die 'young.'

by Anonymousreply 1705/24/2020

Maybe we need to distinguish between dying 'young' and dying 'too early.'

by Anonymousreply 1805/24/2020

Amy Winehouse? I know she was a drugged out mess and even Mick Jagger told her, "You in danger girl!" and Mick had used every drug even heroin. Her boyfriend, entourage/drug buddies were typical addicts and did not care about anyone or anything or her but just were with her because of her $ and drugs and only wanted to stay high constantly. I remember the video of her being homophobic and racist while on all sorts of drugs...not to excuse this but I doubt she even remembered doing this.

by Anonymousreply 1905/24/2020

[Quote] Peg Entwistle

Who?

by Anonymousreply 2005/24/2020

MJ and, to a lesser extent, Prince

by Anonymousreply 2105/24/2020

Hendrix was a douchebag. Not so much an asshole nor cunt, but certainly uniquely, unpleasantly douchey.

by Anonymousreply 2205/24/2020

Sharon Tate. I heard she was a chronic puppy-kicker.

by Anonymousreply 2305/24/2020

[quote]And the first person who states that Lennon's "Double Fantasy" LP was good gets a punch in the face.

You don't think Starting Over is a fantastic classic?

I think it made it to 39 in the charts and was on the way down and out when he died.

I won't link it.

by Anonymousreply 2405/24/2020

I don't think Linda McCartney was an assshole or a cunt but no one had a nice word to say about her until she died. Now go look at the YouTube comments under their songs...and all the nastiness has strangely been forgotten.

by Anonymousreply 2505/24/2020

John McCain.

I know he was old but the way his obnoxious daughter carries on about his death you'd think he was in the prime of his life.

Also, she's not the only one deifying him.

by Anonymousreply 2605/24/2020

Both JFKs - senior and junior.

by Anonymousreply 2705/24/2020

R9, 40 IS TOO YOUNG TO DIE. Most people live until their late 70s, therefore 40 is young when it comes to dying. You're 14, right?

by Anonymousreply 2805/24/2020

R28 Yeah, I'm 14. Thanks for noticing.

by Anonymousreply 2905/24/2020

"You don't think Starting Over is a fantastic classic?"

Starting over is a bad Paul McCartney album.

Again, a youngster at the DL confuses sales with quality.

by Anonymousreply 3005/24/2020

Well r17, in my own defense, I was making that same point about 40 something musicians when I brought up Tony. Maybe I should have stuck with 50 something YO Jobs. If anybody was going to end up as an animated Head à la Futurama, it would be Jobs. A drug addicted entertainer making it past 40 should probably start getting retirement checks.

It is like saying you are too old to get in the ball pit at Chucky Cheese.

by Anonymousreply 3105/24/2020

Michael Hutchence

by Anonymousreply 3205/24/2020

I read a biography of Marilyn Monroe and was sick of her by the end of it. She wasn’t a bad person but she lived for fame and was so self absorbed.

by Anonymousreply 3305/24/2020

James Dean, Grace Kelly

by Anonymousreply 3405/24/2020

River Phoenix. Said I'm a vegetarian, how can I be an drug addict?

by Anonymousreply 3505/24/2020

I think the point is that when celebrities die unexpectedly in a tragic way they a permanent legacy boost. Age doesn't really matter. Mentioning anything negative or acknowledging their very obvious flaws is almost forbidden or at least unseemly as an entire generation grieves their loss for the rest of their lives.

By the time a new generation comes around with less emotional attachment, the history is already written.

by Anonymousreply 3605/24/2020

*get a permanent legacy boost ^

by Anonymousreply 3705/24/2020

What did James Dean even do to be mentioned?

by Anonymousreply 3805/24/2020

JonBenet

by Anonymousreply 3905/24/2020

Kobe has surpassed deity in the wake of his death. Anyone who mentions his rape-y past is instantly canceled.

by Anonymousreply 4005/24/2020

Joan Rivers

by Anonymousreply 4105/24/2020

Kobe is a good example

by Anonymousreply 4205/24/2020

River Phoenix is still deified by fangirls. But I have no reason to think he was an asshole and/or cunt.

by Anonymousreply 4305/24/2020

Every twenty-something gay porn performer who overdoses or suicides yet DL places them on a virtual shrine anyway. And you all think James Dean was a cunt/asshole. Ok.

by Anonymousreply 4405/24/2020

Antinous, a deified arsehole… literally

by Anonymousreply 4505/24/2020

Jesus was a troublemaker. Claiming to be the son of god didn’t help. Next stop: crucifixion.

by Anonymousreply 4605/24/2020

R43 I got an assholey vibe from him. I think he repressed it a lot but it came out sometimes. There is a clip of him interviewing Flea that comes to mind.

by Anonymousreply 4705/25/2020
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