NYTimes headline, "U.S. Deaths Near 100,000, An Incalculable Loss"

Fake news! Failing paper!

*Memorial

Eh.

He won’t see this. He’s out golfing. He doesn’t care.

He was golfing when those dead soldiers from Nigeria's bodies were brought home.

You'd expect him to a miss an extended holiday vacation?

In remembrance. So sorry for all those experiencing grief and loss. Wishing for peace and strength to you all.

Appropriate front page.

A real President would be having some memorial for the 100,000 dead.

It's all fine. Trump said this would be over with by Easter. Pence said it would be over by Memorial Day.

So much #WINNING!!!!!!!!!!!

The first mistake is believing a sociopath, narcissist, or any cluster-B person gives a tinker’s damn about anyone but themselves.

R7 It isn't appropriate to have a comprehensive memorial until it is over. While I agree that 100,000 deaths in the US is a genuine tragedy, and much more should have been done early on. I sincerely wish the media would properly place it in more historical context. The 1918 Spanish Flu Pandemic tragically took between 500,000 to 850,000 US lives. The Asian Flu pandemic of 1957-58 killed between 70,000-116,000 in the US. The Hong Kong flu pandemic of 1968 killed around 100,000 in the US. Around 700,000 people have died prematurely of AIDS since that pandemic started, in the US. When there is a pandemic, many ill people inevitably die. It isn't unusual or the end of the world. The main problem people are naturally having is that other than the AIDS crisis, we have not had a major pandemic like this since the late 1960s. There have been more minor ones, but nothing on this scale.

Well, r10, aren’t you the Miss Manners of pandemics? We are so honored by your insight into the finer points of mourning 100,000 dead Americans.

[quote]It isn't unusual or the end of the world.

90% of them would have been avoided had we had a President who acted early.

This is nothing but gross incompetence and deliberate mismanagement.

If they waited until Monday the NY Times could remove the "Near" and replace it with "Over".

50 to 100 dead every day in Ohio. The average age is 81, and most are over 60.

[quote] This is nothing but gross incompetence and deliberate mismanagement.

It’s criminal negligence and he should be prosecuted for it.

The deranged cunt was tweeting again tonight about Joe Scarborough murdering that intern who died in his office. Wtf??? I can't believe 40% of the country still support this lunatic. I can't believe he hasn't been dragged out in a strait jacket yet. Enough is enough.

The previous pandemics r10 mentions didn’t rack up 100,000 dead in the USA in just a few weeks. Even the Spanish flu had a slower start. AIDS was difficult to get, and simple precautions, when followed, saved many lives until therapies were developed. Coughing, sneezing, talking, singing— all these put us at risk for COVID-19. 100,000 dead in a few months free m a new disease is the worst thing anyone in this country has witnessed in a century.

How are the names ordered on the page? By data of death or just random?

How many pages of names were there?

People die every day from viruses, cancers, guns, vehicles, etc. That those deaths are considered acceptable and these aren't has far more to do with the agenda of politics and control than any concern for human life.

Oh silly R10. Why even pretend to be a rational, reasonable person when it’s so easy to check your history and know that you are a Trump loyalist. Nice try asshole.

[quote] 90% of them would have been avoided had we had a President who acted early. This is nothing but gross incompetence and deliberate mismanagement.

No matter what he or any President could have done, I doubt they would have saved 90% of the people who have died. Have you not seen the other nations? Governmental policies can mitigate a pandemic, but there is no way for the government to stop it. Since it is even spreading in oppressive dictatorships with draconian restrictions, how exactly do you expect a democratic government, with civil liberty protections to stop it?

R21 Stop spreading lies.

R18/R19/R20....see comment at R21.

Assholes are hard at work on this one.

How dare they express an opinion I don't approve of. How DARE they!

All of these people would have died of something! Fake hoax! The flu kills all that and more every day!

You’re allowed to say whatever you want. I’m allowed to ridicule you for your being shitty human beings. That’s how this works, dear.

The pandemic could have been stopped if everyone had been made to make a mask. So far, Vietnam have had ZERO deaths from covid-19 due to their early response to the virus.

What is shitty is fascist arrogance.

On top of the tragedy is that the real number of deaths is already over 100,00 in the US alone. A more accurate number won't be none for some months until average deaths in March/April/May are compared to deaths in 2020. And that is all over the world. The real number worldwide is probably a lot higher.

You’re projecting R28, just like your Messiah der Trump.

The death count is being padded.

R30 Fascist arrogance AND assumptive ass. No surprise.

The GOP should rebrand as the National Virus Association, considering the help they're getting from Russian astroturfers and libertarian concern trolls.

I’m going to read every single name and tidbit provided by a loved one. Some of these people sound wonderful and Trump is a murderer by proxy. He deserves to be drawn and quartered and his head put on a pike in front of the Trump Tower.

Nothing less will do.

Also, R11, Miss Manners seems to have committed a breach of etiquette by overlooking some information that doesn't conveniently fit her narrative: Trump excoriated Obama for12,000 swine flu deaths in the US even though the swine flu wordwide death toll was between 150,000 and 575,000. And the swine flu started much closer to home, with its origin in the US and the first human outbreak in Mexico. So the US had between 2.5% and 8% of the world's deaths from swine flu. Compare this to the current COVID-19 data: Nearly one third of the world's COVID-19 deaths have been in the US, and over a third of those deaths in the US could have been prevented if the lockdown had started only a week earlier.

Trump is such a pig I'm surprised that swine flu didn't start with him.

[quote]50 to 100 dead every day in Ohio.

Wow. I don't think we could do a song about that many. Four was our limit.

[quote]*Memorial

Actually it works either way. I think "Memerial" is a perfectly cromulent new word you've invented.

Really impressive from the NYT.

Also, the one poster's claim the disease is spreading as usual in countries with dictators and draconian laws exist so why bother trying in a democracy is flat wrong. The disease has been almost wholly contained and run it's course in a few countries.

The difference isn't style of government or type of leadership. It's swift, smart, decisive action by that leadership.

The virus hasn't run its course anywhere, where did you even get the idea that it has?

Black voters need to vote in November. It could make a difference in key states.

[quote]. The main problem people are naturally having is that other than the AIDS crisis, we have not had a major pandemic like this since the late 1960s.

typical half-assed nonsense on the DL. the PROBLEM, is that this virus is MUCH more contagious than hardly any other, ever. period. because of that we still don't have a good grip on (even in tightly controlled places like south korea, let alone dumpster fires like the US) how many can or will get sick. because of this extreme contagion the young, old, rich, poor and all the rest will be affected.

R42, good info-graphic. a pollster once told me that if every eligible voter in north philly, a predominately black part of the city, voted, it would wipe out all votes from the rest of eastern (IE white) PA.

If a smart administration had acted swiftly and decisively in the beginning the numbers for our country would be much lower, and the ease back into normal life, while still uncertain, would feel more confident to the general public.

Instead it was disorganized and needlessly defiant, and now it's dumb lying and propaganda and stunts. "Open all the churches! Ha, take that liberals!" None of that matters.

When the next crisis that hits this country this administration will do that again, and the death and destruction will be even worse, and again, and again. Watch what happens...

[quote]Assholes are hard at work

Pics please.

[quote]50 to 100 dead every day in Ohio. [bold]The average age is 81, and most are over 60.[/bold]

Oh, well, that makes it ok then.

The times only posted 1,000 names.

This is for the poster who asked how many pages there were.

[quote]how exactly do you expect a democratic government, with civil liberty protections to stop it?

For starters, not spending two months calling it a hoax.

And then, actually doing something once you address it, perhaps? The guy hasn't done a single thing except run his mouth. He can't even bothered with a simple act of common courtesy like putting on a mask in public.

"50 to 100 dead every day in Ohio"

Fake news. According to cleveland.com:

The number of deaths reported daily for the last week were 36, 55, 61, 63, 32, 15 and 29.

Even with this high number, I still don't know anyone who has died due to the virus. The one exception is Nashom, aka Mona Foot, East Village drag fixture from the 80s/90s, and I only knew him as Mona; we weren't friendly, he didn't know me. My ebst friend's mom died two weeks ago in Detroit, and she happens to be black and was 94 year old, so for the first two days after he told me I assumed it was due to corona, but it wasn't.

I'm going to lay low over the summer, then come roaring back in the fall. Plus I'll have the flu to help, which is really the Robin to my Batman.

Covid-19 is definitely a super villain. I’m surprised Elon didn’t name his son that.

The irony is that the people most susceptible to dying from the virus (i.e. baby boomers and older) are the ones who make up a significant chunk of Tump's voting bloc.

It's sobering. People do not understand the numbers. We have over 1.5 million positive cases in a country of 320,000,000. That's one in 240 Americans who have tested positive. 100,000 deaths mean one in 3,200 Americans. Apply these figures to the population where you live. It's not everywhere yet, but it will come to your neighborhood. It's a matter of time.

I have a friend who lives in Arizona. She will not social distance, does not wear a mask because she said she knows her body and she is healthy. Her neighbors and friends are all elderly and they are part of social clubs as is she. Her daughter just flew in from Texas and will be around these old folks. I’m curious to see if anything happens. I’ve lost respect for her and I’m not sure if I can be her friend anymore.

I had similar issues with my sister, r56. She continued to meet and drive around with her church crowd - saying they use ‘plenty of hand gel‘. Then our old dad, supposedly safely locked down in his care home, got it. He died. We two siblings alone attended his funeral. Still can’t believe it happened like that and he’s gone.

R57, I am so sorry about the loss of your dad. I hope there is comfort in some way for you.

Hi r41!

That's not really a virus running its course, that's a virus not spreading in the first place due to drastic and successful lockdown measures, R59. Ardern did a great job.

I'm so sorry, R57.

My sympathies to you and your family, R57.

How many actually died where COVID was the primary cause? Significantly less.

Imagine if we didn't include deaths by pneumonia et alwith the AIDS deaths?

COVID tipped a number into death that were sick anyway.

Time for perspective people.

[quote]COVID tipped a number into death that were sick anyway. Time for perspective people.

and what would that perspective be, bunky? drown them at birth? the sick are not worth grieving?

[quote]COVID tipped a number into death that were sick anyway. Time for perspective people.

God, I hate the Datalounge fascists. Boring and stupid.

My perspective, R63, is that you can't even figure out when to add a comma.

Many scientists believe the death count is underreported. Many people died these past two months without being tested, given the tests are in short supply.

Perspective here. About 15 million people have been tested so far. The current total of positive cases is about 1.5 million. That means 10% of those tested were positive. The country has 320 million people. 10% of the population is 32 million. Do the math, I think this should shock most people.