Are the terms interchangeable or can you be a frau without being a Karen? I personally prefer the term frau, maybe because it's more specific to DL and it's worked perfectly well for so long. I wish people would stop trying to make Karen happen.
Karens vs. Fraus
|by Anonymous||reply 72||Last Friday at 7:59 AM|
Karen happened and they are bigger than Fraus. Literally and figuratively!
|by Anonymous||reply 1||Last Thursday at 8:45 AM|
Karena and Frau are not the same thing, you stupid cunt.
|by Anonymous||reply 2||Last Thursday at 8:46 AM|
They're not interchangeable, OP.
Karens scream/hiss/glare in your face at you how to live your life.
Fraus smile/giggle/present crotchfruit/intimidate you to indicate to you how to live your life.
|by Anonymous||reply 3||Last Thursday at 8:46 AM|
Do they both “speak to the manager”?
|by Anonymous||reply 4||Last Thursday at 8:47 AM|
Surely there exists a critical mass of frauen who would not be caught dead in either a Red Lobster or an Olive Garden.
|by Anonymous||reply 5||Last Thursday at 8:48 AM|
There’s an intersection of the two groups, but they are different.
Karens are pushy and entitled. Fraus are deluded and self-centered. It is possible to be both. (Or neither)
|by Anonymous||reply 6||Last Thursday at 8:50 AM|
There must be quite a bit of overlap between these two subspecies.
Are both unique to North America?
|by Anonymous||reply 7||Last Thursday at 8:50 AM|
They have some similarities. They love Yankee Candles and those live, laugh, love wall hangings.
|by Anonymous||reply 8||Last Thursday at 8:55 AM|
Being a frau is a lifestyle
A Karen’s not a Karen until she opens her mouth and starts complaining
|by Anonymous||reply 9||Last Thursday at 8:56 AM|
I understand the OP's anxiety. "Frau" has been part of the culture of this site for so many years - decades, I think. The word has survived here for so long, probably for the on reason that broader English-speaking culture had never produced a word that resembled it in meaning. Now, it has - Karen - and many Dataloungers use that word even when "Frau" would have been equally appropriate.
|by Anonymous||reply 10||Last Thursday at 8:57 AM|
They’re both cunts. Karens are psychotic & aggressive, Fraus are passive-aggressive. High levels of Incest Survivors.
|by Anonymous||reply 11||Last Thursday at 8:58 AM|
Certainly, not all fraus are Karens. But are all Karens fraus?
|by Anonymous||reply 12||Last Thursday at 8:59 AM|
I prefer frau. And every proper DLer should prefer it too.
|by Anonymous||reply 13||Last Thursday at 9:01 AM|
When I think frau I automatically think an entire closet full of Disney character t shirts. Karen’s give me more of an athleisure monotone sweatsuit vibe.
|by Anonymous||reply 14||Last Thursday at 9:02 AM|
A Karen would consider being a Frau to de declasse.
Fraus aspire to be Karens but do not have the bitch virtuosity to actually be one.
|by Anonymous||reply 15||Last Thursday at 9:03 AM|
^^^ to be declasse
|by Anonymous||reply 16||Last Thursday at 9:04 AM|
A well-educated, sophisticated, wealthy NYC woman is unlikely to be a Frau, but she can certainly be a Karen. Especially at expensive restaurants.
|by Anonymous||reply 17||Last Thursday at 9:07 AM|
On the other hand, a Frau can also be a Karen.
|by Anonymous||reply 18||Last Thursday at 9:07 AM|
Do both fraus and Karens have days when they're "so tender to the touch"?
|by Anonymous||reply 19||Last Thursday at 9:07 AM|
Passive-aggressive is to Frau as alert-the-media cuntiness is to Karen.
|by Anonymous||reply 20||Last Thursday at 9:09 AM|
Fraus are middle to upper class cunts. Karens are more trailer park, white trash cunts. Most of them are fat, loud, and wear their clothes four sizes to small.
|by Anonymous||reply 21||Last Thursday at 9:13 AM|
A few days ago there was a thread were someone called fraus 'happiness nazis'. That hits the nail on the head imo.
|by Anonymous||reply 22||Last Thursday at 9:15 AM|
R21 is confused.
|by Anonymous||reply 23||Last Thursday at 9:15 AM|
Fraus love you to the moon and back!
|by Anonymous||reply 24||Last Thursday at 9:19 AM|
Interesting debate, OP! I appreciate this. I think fraus generally present as perky while Karens present as angry. Fraus proudly bring homemade dump cakes to the office party while Karens show up 20 minutes late complaining about the bakery line at Costco. Fraus are generally single with an extensive gay porn collection while Karens have sexless marriages to passive men with secret drinking problems. Fraus wear Hello Kitty embroidered face masks while Karens furiously film themselves raw dogging it in public.
|by Anonymous||reply 25||Last Thursday at 9:23 AM|
OP I need to speak to your manager.
|by Anonymous||reply 26||Last Thursday at 9:25 AM|
[quote]Fraus are generally single with an extensive gay porn collection
I gather from DL that fraus are devoted to their "DH," "kiddos," and "doggos."
|by Anonymous||reply 27||Last Thursday at 9:28 AM|
Where do "soccer moms" fit into all this?
|by Anonymous||reply 28||Last Thursday at 9:33 AM|
Soccer moms are upper middle class suburban women. The sons of Frauen are more likely to play (American) football. A soccer mom can be a Karen.
|by Anonymous||reply 29||Last Thursday at 9:36 AM|
[quote]Karens vs. Fraus
On the next season of Ryan Murphy's "Feud."
|by Anonymous||reply 30||Last Thursday at 9:36 AM|
"Karen" has become the new "Cheryl," i.e., a name I cannot read or hear without giggling. I was looking for a recipe yesterday and the blog I ended up on had a large photo at the top with the caption, "Hi, I'm Karen!" Tee-hee!
|by Anonymous||reply 31||Last Thursday at 9:37 AM|
One of my friends was confused by the term frau, so I said “you know—a Karen” and they understood, though not all the subtleties between the two. Too bad it took Karen to explain frau.
|by Anonymous||reply 32||Last Thursday at 9:41 AM|
Karens demand to speak to a manager. Fraus ARE the manager.
|by Anonymous||reply 33||Last Thursday at 9:53 AM|
Fraus are smug, Karens are unhinged.
|by Anonymous||reply 34||Last Thursday at 10:12 AM|
Karens have bigger egos
|by Anonymous||reply 35||Last Thursday at 10:25 AM|
It hurts my feelings, and the feelings of Brayden, Kayden and Ma'Kayyla, for you all to speak about me this way.
|by Anonymous||reply 36||Last Thursday at 10:28 AM|
Broadway loves its Fraus
|by Anonymous||reply 37||Last Thursday at 10:54 AM|
There are Broadway fraus, but they would have no clue what “The Gay Life” was.
They’re more into “Wicked” and “Phantom”
Fraus intellectually and emotionally never left high school.
|by Anonymous||reply 38||Last Thursday at 10:58 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 39||Last Thursday at 11:35 AM|
Fraus tend to have a cheerful disposition. The hallmark of fraus is that they have very banal and unsophisticated tastes in everything. They wear sweatshirts with drawings of animals on them, they love the Home Shopping Network, chain restaurants like Chili's and Applebee's (The Cheesecake Factory and Olive Garden are the "fancy" restaurants), they listen to Clay Aiken and Susan Boyle and they love Dancing With the Stars and America's Got Talent.
Karens are angry bitches. They have a massive sense of entitlement and are constantly complaining because the rest of the world does not cater to their every whim and demand. Their husbands are emasculated man-children.
|by Anonymous||reply 40||Last Thursday at 11:44 AM|
There are women who are both a frau and a Karen. However, neither category is a subset of the other. Not all fraus (frauen) are Karens; not all Karens are fraus.
The main characteristic of a Karen is that she will demand to speak with a manager.
Frau: organizes bridal showers, baby showers, and weddings. Does crafts / hobbies. Drives an SUV. Goes to Disneyland for most of her vacations. Gets her nails done at a salon. I'll post more when I think of more.
|by Anonymous||reply 41||Last Thursday at 11:51 AM|
Frauen are untriggered Karens.
It is ridiculous to think that the so-called giggly, cheerful, suppressed and frustrated Frauen do not turn into fanged Gremlins (aka Karens) once their safety in casseroles, happy kitties and their inevitable joy of life is challenged. This applies here at the DL to when you call out their innate homophobia on a gay site, when they post their swill and calmly attempt to instruct gay people how they should live their lives. Their thinking is covered in fats and sugar so there always is something vague and imprecise about their upsets, though.
Karens - the Perma-Karens who are always miserable, are right-wingers at heart, although some pretend to enlightened humanism or liberal views in order to camouflage themselves between public fits and private tortures. Karens will belittle anyone and in asking for the manager they simply want to receive notice for their outrage. And their outrages always are about their rights, sale items, orders or purchases. And their rights to carry their diseases into closed spaces without a mask.
SJWs are the Karens of the Left, always ready (begging) to be offended, to complain about someone, to cancel and chase until the end of days for a presumed flaw or error, and to be CORRECT in judgment always. Humorless. PRIMED for putting you into your place as an enemy of X (whatever their cranks are). Their complaining is about WHAT YOU'VE DONE TO OTHERS LESS FORTUNATE THAN YOU and their weapons are faux-equity and the constant savagery of all men. Gay men get no credit because they are MEN!
And fag hags/fruit flies are just hangers-on hoping against hope that the weak, fun, confused and dear gay men in their lives will finally see that THEY are the ones, after all, who are true and kind and steadfast. And the gay man should, you know, become more than just a friend. Their complaints are based on the fact that "he doesn't appreciate all I've done for him (often in a manipulative, controlling, "you owe me" way)" or "he just used me, because all men are the same whether they want to fuck me or not).
I blame centuries in anti-female cultural and social bias for this situation, but that doesn't make working with or around these crazies any easier. We have our own issues.
|by Anonymous||reply 42||Last Thursday at 11:59 AM|
[quote] The main characteristic of a Karen is that she will demand to speak with a manager.
That is common behavior. The trait is entitlement.
|by Anonymous||reply 43||Last Thursday at 11:59 AM|
Fraus are Laura Bush and Karens are Melania Trump
|by Anonymous||reply 44||Last Thursday at 12:06 PM|
Karen is a bit passe now.
|by Anonymous||reply 45||Last Thursday at 12:07 PM|
R42 REALLY hates women
|by Anonymous||reply 46||Last Thursday at 12:08 PM|
People who are rude to retail workers are scum. BUT there's no denying the fact that a lot of lefty men are thrilled that they can use the term "Karen" to bash women who disagree with them without losing woke points. Like lefty homophobes who insult "white cis gays".
|by Anonymous||reply 47||Last Thursday at 12:11 PM|
It's Krazy Karen's Cafe & Cocktail Bar!
No - seriously. It is.
|by Anonymous||reply 48||Last Thursday at 12:16 PM|
R25 and R40 win this thread.
|by Anonymous||reply 49||Last Thursday at 12:19 PM|
Karens are Kate Gosselin and the Bath and Body Works peach bellini candle lady.
That fat lady with the cooking youtube is a frau
|by Anonymous||reply 50||Last Thursday at 12:23 PM|
I realized my sister is a Karen. My siblings and I had been emailing each other with info on masks, isopropyl alcohol, cleaning, etc. Apparently, CVS has medical masks available but is charging quite a bit for them. My "Karen" sibling emailed us, partial CAPS and exclamation points, that we should NOT be buying masks from CVS!!! She said that she was possibly going to boycott CVS (for price-gouging), blah blah blah. I emailed back that I shop for convenience and factor in the value of my time. No further emails forthcoming from Karen.
|by Anonymous||reply 51||Last Thursday at 12:24 PM|
Fraus will get sloshed on pinot grigio, a Karen will complain they are too loud!
|by Anonymous||reply 52||Last Thursday at 12:25 PM|
r44 I respectfully disagree. Melania Trump is the anti-Karen - she's the slutty whore that Karens hate because their husbands hide in their man caves and jerk off thinking about her. Mother Pence is Ultimate Frau and Ultimate Karen combined.
The new bitch Press person is a Karen. Kuntyanne Cuntway is a Karen. Mooghan MooCain is a Five-Star Karen. Laura Bush is a Frau bordering on Karen, though she never raised a lot of hell. She seemed like she was pretty nice. (though probably drunk through her entire time in DC).
|by Anonymous||reply 53||Last Thursday at 12:26 PM|
Fraus have Bible quotes in Comic Sans in the signature of their work emails.
Karens leave passive aggressive notes on the refrigerator in the break room.
|by Anonymous||reply 54||Last Thursday at 12:36 PM|
"Laura Bush is a Frau bordering on Karen, though she never raised a lot of hell."
Yeah she only ran over and killed her boyfriend once!
|by Anonymous||reply 55||Last Thursday at 12:44 PM|
Why would someone keep an entire carton of eggs in a break room fridge (or "frig," as the note at R54 says - oh, dear!)?
|by Anonymous||reply 56||Last Thursday at 12:47 PM|
I imagine she laid them.
|by Anonymous||reply 57||Last Thursday at 12:51 PM|
[quote]Fraus are Laura Bush and Karens are Melania Trump
Fraus are Laura Bush and Karens are Barbara Bush.
|by Anonymous||reply 58||Last Thursday at 12:55 PM|
r57 works with Marion Strong.
|by Anonymous||reply 59||Last Thursday at 12:56 PM|
Barbara Bush was no Karen.
|by Anonymous||reply 60||Last Thursday at 12:58 PM|
Karen Pence is a frau.
|by Anonymous||reply 61||Last Thursday at 12:59 PM|
r54 that note is nuts. Why would anyone bring a carton of eggs to work?
|by Anonymous||reply 62||Last Thursday at 1:18 PM|
Karen Pence is a Frau.
Kellyanne Conway is a Karen.
|by Anonymous||reply 63||Last Thursday at 1:54 PM|
Elise/Goldie is a Soccer Mom, Brenda/Bette is a Karen & Annie/Diane is a Frau.
|by Anonymous||reply 64||Last Thursday at 1:56 PM|
Karens are usually fraus at heart, but only a few fraus aspire to be Karens.
|by Anonymous||reply 65||Last Thursday at 1:58 PM|
65% of women are horrendous cunts.
|by Anonymous||reply 66||Last Thursday at 4:55 PM|
Fraus use CVS brand blond-hair dye formula. Karens get tin-foil highlighting at their salon.
|by Anonymous||reply 67||Last Thursday at 5:10 PM|
GT Conway, Kellyanne's estranged husband, responded to a tweet about a Karen: "I don't know her but I'm already sick of her." Dozens of people helpfully pointed out that not only did he know a Karen, he was married to one.
|by Anonymous||reply 68||Last Thursday at 5:19 PM|
Karens are often fraus- and vice versa.
|by Anonymous||reply 69||Last Thursday at 5:20 PM|
A Karen is a Frau’s drag persona
|by Anonymous||reply 70||Last Thursday at 5:27 PM|
R63 for the win. That's a perfect comparison.
|by Anonymous||reply 71||Last Friday at 7:50 AM|
R71, r53 said it first.
Also, Laura Bush didn't kill anyone while she was the First Lady. That was her husband.
|by Anonymous||reply 72||Last Friday at 7:59 AM|