"I think it's good. I've heard a lot good stories. And if it's not good, I'll tell you right, I'm not going to get hurt by it"
Trump - "I take hydroxychloroquine EVERYDAY"
|by Anonymous||reply 221||05/24/2020|
I assume he is lying about this, since he lies about everything, always. But it is still a lunatic statement. So liar and lunatic.
Ladies and gentlemen, your President.
|by Anonymous||reply 1||05/18/2020|
Well, he apparently also snorts Adderall every day. Doesn’t mean it’s what the doctor recommends.
I would live to know who writes Trump’s prescriptions?
|by Anonymous||reply 2||05/18/2020|
Bless his heart.
|by Anonymous||reply 3||05/18/2020|
Up the dosage, please.
|by Anonymous||reply 4||05/18/2020|
Source for this info, OP?
|by Anonymous||reply 5||05/18/2020|
At lest Neil Cavuto on Fox followed up by telling his viewers they could die if they take this medicine. I took it for RA for awhile and had to quit because it was literally making me go blind.
|by Anonymous||reply 6||05/18/2020|
R5, every news outlet is covering it now with the video.
|by Anonymous||reply 7||05/18/2020|
If true, he should be dead soon and then 76% of the US population celebrates.
|by Anonymous||reply 8||05/18/2020|
The day this monster is six feet under will be the happiest day of my life. It cannot come quick enough.
|by Anonymous||reply 9||05/18/2020|
Will the USA ever live down the shame of having that corrupt buffoon in the White House? Those of you who take every chance to bitch crazily about the UK really need to take a moment.
|by Anonymous||reply 10||05/18/2020|
Yeah, [R10], to laugh even harder at Boris Johnson.
|by Anonymous||reply 11||05/18/2020|
Did he really say this?
|by Anonymous||reply 12||05/18/2020|
Well... more redneck deaths as they’ll order it off pool cleaning supply websites.
|by Anonymous||reply 13||05/18/2020|
He really said this. It's all over the news. Whether he really is taking it or not, who knows. But he said it.
|by Anonymous||reply 14||05/18/2020|
Bae is startin to look messy.
|by Anonymous||reply 15||05/18/2020|
R6 I took it for Lyme related issues, which is not uncommon, but I felt it gave me pressure in my eyes, and stopped. But if I had Corona and had to take it for a few days, no problem, I totally would.
|by Anonymous||reply 16||05/18/2020|
[quote] Did he really say this?
It's front page news everywhere. Yes he said it.
|by Anonymous||reply 17||05/18/2020|
Ok thank you R14
|by Anonymous||reply 18||05/18/2020|
You know he is lying but why is he still pushing this?
We'll see deplorable deaths in 3....2....1.....
|by Anonymous||reply 19||05/18/2020|
This drug has major inflammatory impact which can be deadly when taken for long periods leading to your heart stopping. Cross your fingers, the Great Menace might be toast by July.
|by Anonymous||reply 20||05/18/2020|
RIP my friend with lupus
She can barely get the drug because Trump and Fox News are pushing it so hard.
|by Anonymous||reply 21||05/18/2020|
He's lying but I wish it were true.
|by Anonymous||reply 22||05/18/2020|
Hopefully this gives him an even bigger false sense of security, with the result that he will carelessly catch the virus and die.
|by Anonymous||reply 23||05/18/2020|
[quote]Will the USA ever live down the shame of having that corrupt buffoon in the White House? Those of you who take every chance to bitch crazily about the UK really need to take a moment.
The USA will be fine if Trump is thrown out of office in November. If he's reelected, we will not recover - not just here at home but in world standing. If he is reelected, the world will assume we are OK with this monster leading us.
|by Anonymous||reply 24||05/18/2020|
It’s so funny that Trump just can’t be wrong.
He said that hydrochloroquine was the cure for COVID-19, thus it has to be THE cure and he has to prove to all of us that he’s right. Never mind what the scientists and doctors are saying, it doesn’t matter!
I don’t know if the orange moron is actually taking it or just talking out of his ass, but he won’t let this go until he realizes that the majority of his supporters are dead after drinking fish tank cleaner.
|by Anonymous||reply 25||05/18/2020|
r16 JFC IT DOESN'T WORK ON COVID, dipshit. That's the whole point. It's a medication with high risks involved, and if you don't have to take it....don't take it.
|by Anonymous||reply 26||05/18/2020|
He knows he won't win the election in November so he's using his lie about this drug so it will give him a reason to resign when he gets "sick." That's my conspiracy theory.
|by Anonymous||reply 27||05/18/2020|
He is NOT taking that. He's a fucking liar at every turn. He just hates the reports about it being dangerous after he pushed it for so long. During that same press conference he said "I didn't know the guy," meaning the IG Steve Linick he recently fired. Lies, lies, lies all the fucking time. I wish the hell, though, someone would force the fat fuck to booty bump 24 hyrdoxychloroquine capsules right after his Double Big Mac Value Meal.
|by Anonymous||reply 28||05/18/2020|
[quote]If true, he should be dead soon and then 76% of the US population celebrates.
Unfortunately it's not true, as Fat Bastard is incapable of telling the truth.
|by Anonymous||reply 29||05/18/2020|
Trump is what you have to scrape off the bottom of your shoe when you didn't watch your step in the dog park! He is a lyin' sack of shit as usual. This 'announcement' is just another distraction bauble he throws out there to distract from whatever other BS he has done - like firing the IG at the State Dept. And of course the media is all over it like shit on the bottom of your shoe! No one questioned him about it when he made the statement. He was very subdued when he said it - like a little kid telling a lie to his parents when they asked who broke the crystal vase on the dining room table!
The Orange Virus is tested for COVID several times a day so why would he take the 'HYDRA' drug when it has no beneficial affect on COVID in the first place. If he IS taking it, then maybe that explains he crazier than usual behavior.
|by Anonymous||reply 30||05/18/2020|
Someone has GOT to be investigating any financial ties he or his dipshit children have with pushing this drug.
This fucking corrupt piece of shit will do anything to make slimy quick $$.
Expose this motherfucker, for the love of God. Bodies keep piling up.
|by Anonymous||reply 31||05/18/2020|
I was watching in real time, so irresponsible.
If he wants to take it fine, and there are still studies taking place, but talking about is just so wrong. People will be seeing it as a recommendation.
I knew CNN and MSNBC would be jumping all over this, so I wanted to see how Fox would handle it. Neal Cavuto was practically shouting about how stupid Trump had been for talking about it.
|by Anonymous||reply 32||05/18/2020|
He should start injecting bleach into his system.
|by Anonymous||reply 33||05/18/2020|
My Amazon wish list: - Trump gets coronavirus. - Trump has a heart attack and dies.
By May 31.
If it happens, I will start believing in God and going to church.
|by Anonymous||reply 34||05/18/2020|
Just because this orange piece of shit says he is taking a certain pill.....that does not mean he is actually doing it. Most of the words that come out of his mouth are blatant lies. Why would this be any different. He's mentally deranged and not capable of uttering more than one sentence without lying.
|by Anonymous||reply 35||05/18/2020|
[quote]Did he really say this?—Doubtful
"Doubtful" that the guy who suggests we inject disinfectants and shoot UV rays up our asses says he takes hydroxychloroquine every day?!
|by Anonymous||reply 36||05/18/2020|
He really said it
And the video of FoxNews anchor Neal Cavutto saying "If you take this you will die!" as a warning to others is all over social media now
(SEE LINK at R14)
|by Anonymous||reply 37||05/18/2020|
I wish he would take his own advice and swallow some disinfectant.
|by Anonymous||reply 38||05/18/2020|
I agree with R31. The whole fucking clan bought stock in the company that makes and shit, and Trump is merely acting as its pitchman. Trump & Co. know his dumb ass MAGA followers will do anything Trump says, so they'll go out and buy this shit in huge quantities, reaping a windfall for Trump.
|by Anonymous||reply 39||05/18/2020|
Dump is trolling his way through his presidency, as evidenced by that lame-ass "Independence Day" meme filled with internet trolls that he retweeted this past weekend.
Anyone still willing to vote for this fool should blow their own goddamn head off.
|by Anonymous||reply 40||05/18/2020|
That Fox News clip actually gives me the tiniest glimmer of hope.
|by Anonymous||reply 41||05/18/2020|
Damn, I'm pretty cynical but I never thought I'd see a president actually encouraging Americans to commit suicide. This is new, and fascinating.
|by Anonymous||reply 42||05/18/2020|
Fuck-- even the Faux News website is throwing serious shade.
Screenshot at link
|by Anonymous||reply 43||05/18/2020|
Is it really that difficult to ask people who take it regularly for lupus to see if they got corona?
|by Anonymous||reply 44||05/18/2020|
and we talk about this... rather than the firing of the state dept IG, and the covid death toll passing 90,000.
That's how all this works.
|by Anonymous||reply 45||05/18/2020|
Video of Trump saying that he has been taking hydroxychloroquine for 2 weeks...
|by Anonymous||reply 46||05/18/2020|
There was a thread a few months ago where one poster gave an interesting but detailed account of DT's likely "wealth." Contrary to popular opinion Trump has maybe $2 M at best. So he he's hard up for cash, not surprising he's peddling anything and everything that moves that he can monetize, benefit from financially.
|by Anonymous||reply 47||05/18/2020|
And we should believe him....?!!!
|by Anonymous||reply 48||05/18/2020|
"He was just being sarcastic"
|by Anonymous||reply 49||05/18/2020|
Trump, with all the health issues he HAS to have, is not taking this drug. It's not enough for him to let something go, he has to double down just to be an asshole. I wish his cook would crush one of those pills in his Big Mac everyday.
|by Anonymous||reply 50||05/18/2020|
Trump should be bankrupt again soon, if not already. Aren't his properties mostly hotels and golf resorts? The kind where NOBODY is staying right now? I'm sure they are all leveraged to the hilt. How many bankruptcies has he had now? And he calls that winning? What a fucking idiot.
|by Anonymous||reply 51||05/18/2020|
Well R51 given the fact that his followers are more of a cult than a political movement, its not hard to see them staying at his properties even if it kills them.
|by Anonymous||reply 52||05/18/2020|
I know he's lying because his lips are moving.
|by Anonymous||reply 53||05/18/2020|
A cynic might say he's lying and this is a distraction from him firing the man investigating his dodgy arms sales to Saudi. - DM Comment
|by Anonymous||reply 54||05/18/2020|
[quote]and we talk about this... rather than the firing of the state dept IG, and the covid death toll passing 90,000.
CNN just discussed the Breaking story of Trump firing the Inspector General who was investigating Pompeo.
|by Anonymous||reply 55||05/18/2020|
He's killing his base. He doesn't need them anymore. There won't be an election in November.
Our President has morphed into Jim Jones. There's no way he's taking that stuff himself.
|by Anonymous||reply 56||05/18/2020|
Trump's handlers give him Flintstone vitamins and tell him it's hydroxychloroquine.
|by Anonymous||reply 57||05/18/2020|
TRump [bold] IS [/bold] a lying distraction
This was not a simple statement. It was a sales pitch. Listen to how he is promoting it - “lots of front line workers are taking it; doctors are taking it; I’ll tell you if it doesn’t work, “ etc.)
His family undoubtedly has some financial interest in hydroxychloroquine’s production.
He is worse than a con man. He is Jim Jones.
|by Anonymous||reply 58||05/18/2020|
I told you that Trump's own people would find a way to take him out!
|by Anonymous||reply 59||05/18/2020|
R57 you have just saved a miserable day. Five stars for the best response all day!
|by Anonymous||reply 60||05/18/2020|
I want to see him run out into the street clutching his chest only to have him run over by a USPS truck.
|by Anonymous||reply 61||05/18/2020|
By all accounts, Plaquenil alone does nothing, they are even reporting that patients on it for lupus have come down with COVID. You need to take it early and take it with Zinc and Zithromax, and you can't take it prophylactically.
I think they have been giving him plasma, but he wants people on Plaquenil so the stock goes up. He knows his base wouldn't like hearing he has access to plasma (which they won't be able to get), so hopes they will demand Plaquenil from their doctors and he makes more money off their stupidity.
|by Anonymous||reply 62||05/18/2020|
heh, driven by Melania, r61
|by Anonymous||reply 63||05/18/2020|
June 5 Trump rally in Dayton cancelled...
|by Anonymous||reply 64||05/18/2020|
Oh, for the love of black fucking Jesus. If he's taking it, that's his prerogative.
The evidence so far is that it reduces plasma viral load, but little more. So... It MIGHT be useful for prophylaxis, but is likely useless for treatment, because the time you're seriously ill, merely reducing plasma viral load won't help. Whether it's benefit is enough to offset its adverse effects is still very much open to debate.
It's NEITHER a wonder cure NOR useless.
Personally, I think the current best empirical practice for prophylaxis is probably 200mg/day of HCQ plus 30mg/day of zinc picolinate plus 3mg/day or 5mg/2-days ivermectin. None are silver bullets or "proven" via double blind trials, but the theoretical basis is sound, and the risk is low.
These drugs aren't fucking poison. People have taken them at these dosages for YEARS. They might not be particularly effective, but for 99.97% of people who's take them a prophylaxis for a few months, the worst consequence of taking them is. "Waste of money, but maybe they'll sleep better at night feeling protected."
The present fetish for demanding controlled double blind studies, or criticizing people for taking 'unproven' treatments, is absurd. Not a single OTC 'cold medicine' sold in America has EVER been "proven" to be anything more than "mostly harmless".
|by Anonymous||reply 65||05/18/2020|
he's a clown and a fool, r65. He should punch himself in the dick repeatedly until passing out. That is the only medication that will work, r65.
|by Anonymous||reply 66||05/18/2020|
[quote]Oh, for the love of black fucking Jesus. If he's taking it, that's his prerogative.
It certainly is.
But when a President talks about taking it in the middle of a pandemic it sounds awfully like he's recommending it. And that should not be his job.
|by Anonymous||reply 67||05/18/2020|
Here is an article stating that patients on Plaquenil for lupus and RA still came down with COVID19. Trump lied last month too and said lupus patients weren't getting Corona because of Plaquenil. He just wants to make money and doesn't care who his misinformation hurts.
|by Anonymous||reply 68||05/18/2020|
Posts like R65 restore my faith in humanity. Too bad they are so rare.
|by Anonymous||reply 69||05/18/2020|
and, incidentally, compare the list of adverse effects from HCQ and ivermectin to the list of adverse effects from acetaminophen, diphenhydramine, chlorpheniramine, phenyleprine, and guaifenesin. And for ivermectin, factor out any adverse effects that are just the result of dead parasites causing irritation & inflammation, because the wouldn't apply in this case anyway.
You want to see death, take 50 Tylenol capsule or tablets.... then die a horrible, agonizing death 5-7 weeks later from organ failure. It's literally "suicide in slow motion".
|by Anonymous||reply 70||05/18/2020|
Taking hydroxychloroquine would be like looking directly into an ecli...oh, wait.
|by Anonymous||reply 71||05/18/2020|
I can see Trump’s rabid supporters taking this drug. Some of them really are that stupid.
|by Anonymous||reply 72||05/18/2020|
It has to be prescribed by their doctor. Why is everyone pretending that this is available over the counter?
|by Anonymous||reply 73||05/18/2020|
I hope the deplorables start taking it. But what doctor would prescribe it?
|by Anonymous||reply 74||05/18/2020|
If Trump really wants to stay healthy, he needs to start drinking bleach every day.
|by Anonymous||reply 75||05/18/2020|
you know Laura Ingraham will be thrilled to do another bs segment on her show tonight about this
I want Congress and journalists to try and find out if Trump and right wing influencers have financial stake in the hydroxychloroquine drug
they have to
|by Anonymous||reply 76||05/18/2020|
There are a few, R74. Some doctors are deplorable and some doctors will prescribe shit just to get their patients to stop bugging them.
It's interesting that Trump started pushing this again. He stopped a while ago, when it was becoming clear that multiple studies were either showing no benefit or were being halted because of the harm to the patients. I wonder what changed in his tiny brain?
I wouldn't mind so much if it weren't for the fact that so many people who need this drug for its intended purpose were struggling to get it.
|by Anonymous||reply 77||05/18/2020|
Yes R65, because a drug that can potentially prolong the QT interval and cause sudden cardiac death at therapeutic doses should ABSOLUTELY be OTC...
|by Anonymous||reply 78||05/18/2020|
Yes, he can NEVER let anything go. Never. He always has to be right. No slight is too small for him to fixate on and obsess over constantly. Grayden Carter, who called tRump a “short-fingered vulgarian” in the 1980s, said in 2015 — some three decades later — that Cheatolini would still send Carter magazine photos of himself with his hands circled in gold Sharpie and the words “not so small” written next to his hands on the picture.
So, while it is unlikely he’s taking the drug, he sure as hell is fine with lying about it because in his mind he is never wrong.
|by Anonymous||reply 79||05/18/2020|
I took this for 2 years for an auto-immune condition and the specialist would only give me the aboslute minimum dose required for as short a time as possible because the side effects are so dangerous and not uncommon. Trump is lying - no doctor would prescribe this to him and he would never take it if the risks were explained because he is such a hypochondriac.
|by Anonymous||reply 80||05/18/2020|
Whether or not this mendacious mofo is actually taking hydroxychloroquine, hasn't he placed his "White House Doctor" in an ethical problem?
Aren't physicians prohibited from prescribing a drug if there's is no actual treatment use for it? Especially if, as of now, it's in short supply for those taking it for its intended purpose?
Right now, if I were Trump's Drug Dealer Quack, I'd be livid a this stupid asshole.
|by Anonymous||reply 81||05/18/2020|
Incidentally, phenylephrine is the poster child for 'unproven' drugs. The FDA approved it only because they DEA pressured them into it by threatening to classify pseudoephedrine as a schedule IV drug (effectively making it prescription only) if they refused. In return for approving PE & encouraging manufacturers to substitute it as an OTC decongestant, the DEA allowed PDE to remain unscheduled and available OTC.
But... it doesn't change the fact that phenylephrine is actually WORSE than HCQ. HCQ has never been "proven" effective for C-19 in formal trials, but phenylephrine literally HAS been shown to be almost completely useless as a decongestant by the same type of clinical trials.
Had PE been a new drug that someone tried getting approved nowadays, instead of an old drug that was approved in the 70s & written off as useless (compared to phenylpropanolamine, which actually WAS a fantastic & effective decongestant... but also trivially easy to turn into amphetamine), the FDA would have laughed at them & rejected it upon first reading of their application because it is LITERAL known to be almost useless for its intended purpose (or at least, so much less effective than pseudoephedrine & phenylpropanolamine, it's almost malpractice to recommend it in preference to them).
|by Anonymous||reply 82||05/18/2020|
The halfwit hasn't figured out yet that they've just changed the label on his bottles of Adderall.
|by Anonymous||reply 83||05/18/2020|
[quote]Today is a reminder that the correlation between press mentions and prez polling was negative in 2016. The more Trump gets mentioned in the press the worse it likely is for his 2020 re-election chances.
|by Anonymous||reply 84||05/18/2020|
Fuck his stupid gunt
|by Anonymous||reply 85||05/18/2020|
"I'm worried enough about this virus to take a drug that has not been proven or approved to prevent or treat it. However, I will not take the simple precaution of wearing a mask."
|by Anonymous||reply 86||05/18/2020|
OK, this headline on Rawstory.
"Hydroxychloroquine could cause Trump hallucinations — and ‘severe’ mental changes: report"
|by Anonymous||reply 87||05/18/2020|
After things like this, I check Free Republic to see how the MAGAts are responding, and to a single one they're:
"HA HA HA! MAKING THE LIBERALS' HEADS EXPLODE!"
(Well, they don't properly spell or punctuate it, but that's the gist.)
|by Anonymous||reply 88||05/18/2020|
> Aren't physicians prohibited from prescribing a drug if there's is no actual treatment use for it?
In the US, doctors have basically unlimited latitude to prescribe any drug that's approved by the fda, for any reason. Health Insurers might refuse to pay for experimental treatments, and the doctor's malpractice insurance might exclude coverage if they do it, but it's absolutely and unambiguously legal.
> Especially if, as of now, it's in short supply for those taking it for its intended purpose?
HCQ isn't in short supply anymore. It WAS, a few weeks ago, but not anymore.
|by Anonymous||reply 89||05/18/2020|
[quote] "Hydroxychloroquine could cause Trump hallucinations — and ‘severe’ mental changes: report"
How would anyone be able to tell?
|by Anonymous||reply 90||05/18/2020|
I've been shoving a lamp up Dan's butthole for weeks now.
|by Anonymous||reply 91||05/18/2020|
|by Anonymous||reply 92||05/18/2020|
Albert: Oh, thank you Agador. If it wasn’t for the Pirin I couldn’t go on. Armand: Are you giving her drugs? Agador: No. It’s Aspirin with the A and the S escraped off. Armand: Genius! Agador: I know.
|by Anonymous||reply 93||05/18/2020|
[quote]I took this for 2 years for an auto-immune condition and the specialist would only give me the aboslute minimum dose required for as short a time as possible because the side effects are so dangerous and not uncommon.
R65 says you're wrong!
|by Anonymous||reply 94||05/18/2020|
Yes he said it. I believe he's lying. No shock there. What I think is that he said it to get the deplorables to start taking it (if they can find it and afford it).
The great and mighty orange fuckturd has saved us all, they will scream from the rooftops.
Or... he owns stock in the company that produces the drug (Sanofil) and this is YET ANOTHER money grabbing opportunity for him.
Either way, I don't believe he's taking the drug.
|by Anonymous||reply 95||05/18/2020|
R65 = deplorable trash!
|by Anonymous||reply 96||05/18/2020|
Trump says he’s now taking hydroxychloroquine. He might be lying but could it be because he has a small stake in the company Sanofi who owns it? That’s according to Forbes this past April…
|by Anonymous||reply 97||05/18/2020|
I think this is a great idea for Trump. He should also start dosing himself with bleach.
|by Anonymous||reply 98||05/18/2020|
[R33] I hope bleach injecting parties become a thing in Deplorable land.
|by Anonymous||reply 99||05/18/2020|
I'm in charge here...
|by Anonymous||reply 100||05/18/2020|
People are seriously deranged to think that he could be lying about taking the drug. That's the same as accusing his entire staff of a coverup.
|by Anonymous||reply 101||05/18/2020|
This news should surprise no one. He's an imbecile, a charlatan, a snake oil salesman.
The White House has become the court of a petty, moronic monarch. Sycophants surround him. There is one, possibly two, responsible adult (Dr. Fauci) in the room. The others curry favor with the moronic monarch and stab each other in the backs. No one is willing to tell the moronic monarch that he has no clothes.
What a fucking joke America has become! It's declining and falling!
|by Anonymous||reply 102||05/18/2020|
The letter from Trump's doctor.
|by Anonymous||reply 103||05/18/2020|
As people on Twitter are pointing out, the letter is carefully worded and does not actually say that Trump has been prescribed or is taking it.
|by Anonymous||reply 104||05/18/2020|
He must be so pissed that he lost all that money on Americans not being as stupid as he thought and flocking to take that poison. Oh and no fucking way is he really taking it. He's just trying to still make a buck out of it. I actually was hoping his followers would take it and shoot themselves up with Clorox and Lysol and do Trump recommended things that would kill them.
|by Anonymous||reply 105||05/18/2020|
Does it say Trump is a complete Douche? Cause that would be the only honest letter anyone could ever write?
|by Anonymous||reply 106||05/18/2020|
It is a drug to help get rid of the coronavirus, right? Is he admitting he has the virus? Has he exposed all those people in the last two weeks where he went to meetings and factory tours?
It shouldn't be used as a preventative measure. Right?
You don't need to answer my next question. I already know he's an idiot and does not know all the possible conclusions from his statement.
|by Anonymous||reply 107||05/18/2020|
R10 Italy had to kill Mussolini and hang his corpse upside down to start ridding itself of the Fascist stench.
|by Anonymous||reply 108||05/18/2020|
Actually, I am thrilled at this news. Between the politicization of * not* wearing face masks among his more rabid followers and the Run on Hydro-Q that is sure to follow after this announcement, expect throngs of MAGAHats to die of either Covid or the Cardiac side effects of Hydrochloriquine. Really, this is just wrapping up the election for Biden and tying it up for him in a bow, by eliminating Trump's electorate through Darwinism by Stupidity. I LOVE IT!
|by Anonymous||reply 109||05/18/2020|
|by Anonymous||reply 110||05/18/2020|
To all those asking who would prescribe this for Trump - at this point I reckon Dr Fauci would jump at the opportunity.
|by Anonymous||reply 111||05/18/2020|
Dickpunching. It is the only cure for Trumpism.
|by Anonymous||reply 112||05/18/2020|
Good and I hope his supporters follow suit and scarf them down like candy
|by Anonymous||reply 113||05/18/2020|
Interestingly, R65 has only jumped onto DL to defend Trumpchloroquin. Block it and see. My guess is R65 works for Sanofi. And the lone poster defending R65 is just an idiot.
|by Anonymous||reply 114||05/18/2020|
I think this is a good idea too. Please wash this stuff down with a mouthful of bleach as per direction from President Pine-sol.
|by Anonymous||reply 115||05/18/2020|
You all are horrible and I love it! DL is in excellent form today. Carry on, please.
|by Anonymous||reply 116||05/18/2020|
Guaran-fucking-tee they backtrack on this tomorrow and claim "he was being sarcastic."
|by Anonymous||reply 117||05/18/2020|
The White House doctor isn't even an MD? He's a DO???
|by Anonymous||reply 118||05/18/2020|
I thought you only took that drug if you had Covid-19, were on a respirator and it was a sort of last-ditch effort to save you? You don't pop it like vitamins "just in case".
|by Anonymous||reply 119||05/18/2020|
Even if he's lying about taking it himself, some of his staunch supporters will take it too, and die. He's Jim Jones, murdering people right and left.
|by Anonymous||reply 120||05/18/2020|
Nancy Pelosi calling as we all see it, he's MORBIDLY OBESE!
|by Anonymous||reply 121||05/18/2020|
Now Trump is attacking Cavuto! He's posted about five tweets and retweets in a row about him. Just wait till he gets to Nancy!
|by Anonymous||reply 122||05/18/2020|
Trump is pushing this because he had the government buy massive supply of hydroxychloroquine. He doesn't want to be stuck holding all this, if he can get the public to take it he can sell it probably at a profit and him or one of his stooges will pocket the profits.
|by Anonymous||reply 123||05/18/2020|
[quote] I think this is a great idea for Trump. He should also start dosing himself with bleach.
I am available to shove a light up his asshole, how about a nice hot 1500 watt bulb Mr President, we want to make sure to light up everything.
|by Anonymous||reply 124||05/18/2020|
R121 [quote]“He’s our president and I would rather he not be taking something that has not been approved by the scientists, especially in his age group and in his, shall we say, weight group — morbidly obese, they say” — Speaker Pelosi to @andersoncooper on CNN.
Hahahahaha go Nancy!
|by Anonymous||reply 125||05/18/2020|
6 retweets bashing Neil Cavuto in less than an hour and then this:
[quote]@FoxNews is no longer the same. We miss the great Roger Ailes. You have more anti-Trump people, by far, than ever before. Looking for a new outlet!
Trumpy’s very butthurt tonight.
|by Anonymous||reply 126||05/18/2020|
[quote]Even if he's lying about taking it himself, some of his staunch supporters will take it too, and die. He's Jim Jones, murdering people right and left.
Oh, Smitty! You always can cheer me up!
|by Anonymous||reply 127||05/18/2020|
[quote] and in his, shall we say, weight group — morbidly obese, [bold] they say” [/bold]
That is the beautiful, deft touch of a master at work. The knife wound was the morbidly obese assertion. But she twisted it ever so slightly by using one of tRump’s frequent devices to deflect responsibility for making a claim: “they say.” Magnificent.
People are saying . . . . 🤷♂️
|by Anonymous||reply 128||05/18/2020|
Maybe this is the first step in an elaborate fake death scenario to get himself to a Russian safe house before he’s humiliated in November.
|by Anonymous||reply 129||05/18/2020|
Sen. Brian Schatz (D-HI):
[quote]I don’t think it’s hilarious or trivial or a distraction. Look, he’s either taking a drug that he shouldn’t or he’s lying about it. In the middle of the worst pandemic in the 100 years. With 90 thousand dead. Everyone is too “savvy” nowadays. This is completely insane.
|by Anonymous||reply 130||05/18/2020|
R114 either forgot to take his meds for paranoid schizophrenia, or overlooked my rather extensive recent posts about diverse topics including cell phone technology, DIY fountains, architecture, cats, Dallas, Jack Mackenroth, and several dozen other topics.
And r114 is a fucking idiot if he thinks anyone is getting particularly rich off of HCQ. It's about as profitable as generic ibuprofen at Dollar Tree. It's an old generic drug that's cheap & easy to make in abundance.
Also, it HAS been (quietly) reported in the news that countries like Turkey HAVE gotten good results with HCQ, precisely because Turkey encourages anyone with c19 symptoms to take it at the first suspicion of infection, and also encourages its prophylactic use. Turkey was also one of the first countries to start combining HCQ with ivermectin on large scale, and seeing even better results.
These meds DO help... but ONLY if you take them early. Think: tiny fire extinguisher that effective puts out trash can fires & burning skillets, but is useless against a fire that has already engulfed the room.
|by Anonymous||reply 131||05/18/2020|
If you watch the footage of when he said it - it was an off the cuff lie and then he had to just run with it.
I just don't understand what his obsession is with this drug.
|by Anonymous||reply 132||05/18/2020|
Windsor Mann (USA Today):
[quote]Trump is crazy enough to take an unproven drug, dumb enough to say so, and dishonest enough to lie about it.
|by Anonymous||reply 133||05/18/2020|
Mango Mussolini is a moron. Be nice if affected his heart and he died.
|by Anonymous||reply 134||05/18/2020|
Windsor Mann is a never-Trump conservative, but I would fuck him from here to Sunday.
|by Anonymous||reply 135||05/18/2020|
R131 sounds like deplorable trash
|by Anonymous||reply 136||05/18/2020|
Nancy Pelosi offers her not-so-subtle shade:
|by Anonymous||reply 137||05/18/2020|
I’m not sure pelosi is qualified to throw shade in this case considering her mummified appearance.
|by Anonymous||reply 138||05/18/2020|
R131 please cite your sources.
|by Anonymous||reply 139||05/18/2020|
R138, get off your knees from sucking Dump's dick and Putin's. Your jaw has to hurt at this point bitch.
|by Anonymous||reply 140||05/18/2020|
R138 is a deplorable. Ignore it.
|by Anonymous||reply 141||05/18/2020|
And r136 sounds like somebody who doesn't grasp the adult notion that disliking Donald Trump doesn't require automatically condemning and disavowing everything he says or does just for the sake of being contrarian.
Also... "science" is about forming a hypothesis, testing it, and revising your hypothesis as facts emerge... there's nothing that says being "scientific" requires willfully sacrificing random victims at the altar of control groups and placebos. When you're testing something with a few dozen or hundred subjects, rigor is important. When you're in the middle of a global pandemic and testing the efficacy of something whose safety has already been well-established and have literally MILLIONS of test subjects being documented, all that really needs to be rigorous is your data-collection. When you have literally MILLIONS Of data points, the truth sorts ITSELF out. It might not be regarded by some as "ideal", but that doesn't make it "unscientific". Once again, when you have enough data points, the noise and errors start to just cancel themselves out.
For a perfect example of how millions of data points can spontaneously sort themselves out, consider what happens if you take a large bitmap... say, 2560x1600, ~500 unique colors, encoded as 24-bit RGB... and encrypt it using AES with ECB instead of CBC (basically, if you encrypt the whole image using the same random key, instead of modifying the key for each block based upon the hash value of the previous block). Spoiler: if you know it's a 2560x1600 bitmap of encrypted 24-bit RGB data, and you load the encrypted data AS a 24-bit RGB bitmap of the same dimensions, you'll see a ghostly hint of the original image that's not entirely unlike the effect of viewing ASCII-art. It's because even when you have ENORMOUS amounts of noise, big patterns STILL emerge and reveal themselves on their own.
If you treat a hundred patients with HCQ and other meds, it's hard to say anything conclusive about the treatment if the efficacy isn't overwhelming, or you don't have a placebo group to compare it against. If you treat a MILLION patients with HCQ and other meds, and document their outcomes (and other data points, like viral load, etc), there's going to be very little doubt by the time you crunch the data whether or not it has value, because even if you don't have a formal "control" group, and only compare the people who reliably took it against the people who fucked up and didn't, even a small difference is going to stand out. At THAT point, the individual variance just becomes background noise that averages itself away.
|by Anonymous||reply 142||05/18/2020|
[quote][R10] Italy had to kill Mussolini and hang his corpse upside down to start ridding itself of the Fascist stench.
Will no one rid me of this meddlesome "president"?
|by Anonymous||reply 143||05/18/2020|
Just watched the clip having read all the comments, and what struck me was Trump's weird body language.
He holds his arms wide with hands open - static like that for well over a minute, only breaking to stop an interruption, then back.
Try it, it feels so unnatural. Body language expert needed - but it could be some willed staging of 'openness', that if he can hold the position long enough, the questionable revelation or outright lie will somehow hold too. A version of 'Trust me' - worthless for most, but tragically effective for some.
|by Anonymous||reply 144||05/18/2020|
TRump would much rather the media talk about [italic] his [/italic] preferred obsession, HCQ, than about Pompeo, about his IG firings, about his sinking poll numbers, about 90+ thousand needlessly dead, about. . .
|by Anonymous||reply 145||05/18/2020|
Good! Now someone needs to convince him to increase the dose, an entire bottle before bed.
|by Anonymous||reply 146||05/18/2020|
Perhaps, R145. It's possible he's doing this to distract from other scandals. But it's a double-edged sword. The more he comes across as crazy and unstable the more he risks losing swing voters.
|by Anonymous||reply 147||05/18/2020|
He needs to up his dosage
|by Anonymous||reply 148||05/19/2020|
Good God, his doctor is a lowly Osteopath, 1/2 step above a Chiropractor. That figures. Just one more incompetent this fat fucker has surrounded himself with.
|by Anonymous||reply 149||05/19/2020|
Hopefully, he'll start injecting himself with Chlorox too.
|by Anonymous||reply 150||05/19/2020|
Doesn't bleach whiten your skin? He won't be orange anymore - just pasty white.
|by Anonymous||reply 151||05/19/2020|
Turkey's results are not because of hydroxychloroquine in and of itself, but rather the government's full protocol of requiring multiple drugs to be taken by anyone in the early stages of infection.
Also, you can't forget that Turkey's largest doctor's union has said the death estimates Turkey has provided are far too low. There's some concern that the figures we're getting out of Istanbul also indicate Turkey has had more infections and deaths than they have admitted to. They test even fewer people than the US has.
|by Anonymous||reply 152||05/19/2020|
The physician to the President of the United States is a DO and not an MD?
|by Anonymous||reply 153||05/19/2020|
May I suggest adding some Propofol to his nightly cocktail?
|by Anonymous||reply 154||05/19/2020|
My local TV news anchor made me laugh, she called it hydroxychloroQUEEN.
|by Anonymous||reply 155||05/19/2020|
I sure hope he is taking it, in very large doses but like everything else that comes out of his mouth this is just another lie.
|by Anonymous||reply 156||05/19/2020|
Incidentally, if, in the aftermath of the pandemic, you get an opportunity to buy greymarket remdesivir that would otherwise be earmarked for destruction... buy as much as you can. There's *already* evidence it works for rhinoviruses, too (same caveats as Tamiflu for influenza, and HCQ cocktails for c19... it only works if you take it early in the infection).
Worst-case, if something better comes along, you can donate your personal stockpile to grateful cat rescue groups to use for curing FIP.
|by Anonymous||reply 157||05/19/2020|
r157 Remdesivir is by IV only, how would you administer it to yourself?
|by Anonymous||reply 158||05/19/2020|
R158 You rang?
|by Anonymous||reply 159||05/19/2020|
Remdesivir is presently given as intravenous injections, but subcutaneous injections would probably work, too. Worst-case, it might sting, or you might need a bigger dose to compensate. SQ injections are EASY.
|by Anonymous||reply 160||05/19/2020|
For what it's worth, GS-441524 (remdesivir metabolizes into this) is given to cats (for FIP) subcutaneously. I don't know why remdesivir is given IV instead. Injection-site irritation is the most likely reason, unless it's just because IV is preferred for studies for the sake of consistency.
|by Anonymous||reply 161||05/19/2020|
"The physician to the President of the United States is a DO and not an MD?"
Surprised it's not a PhD in ancient Sumerian studies.
|by Anonymous||reply 162||05/20/2020|
That was the undergraduate, r162.
|by Anonymous||reply 163||05/20/2020|
[quote]My local TV news anchor made me laugh, she called it hydroxychloroQUEEN.
That's a different drug altogether. VP Pence is taking it currently.
|by Anonymous||reply 164||05/20/2020|
Trump is advised to halt taking risky unnecessary medication after he voices concern over Virginia's potato fields being left unguarded.
|by Anonymous||reply 165||05/20/2020|
|by Anonymous||reply 166||05/20/2020|
"Hydroxy...you know what I'm talking about, right?"
|by Anonymous||reply 167||05/20/2020|
Trump is confused. He's actually taking Hyrdoxycut, but it ain't working.
|by Anonymous||reply 168||05/21/2020|
r165 lol lol lol lol
He’s high out of his fucking mind.
|by Anonymous||reply 169||05/21/2020|
First they came for your daughters... then they came for your POTATOS!!
|by Anonymous||reply 170||05/21/2020|
This is why what he says is dangerous.
"What have you got to lose?" Not too much if you already have CORONA, and you are struggling for your life. Sure take anything that might have a chance to work. But it's not suggested use as preventative.
Trump either has the corona virus and is lying about being negative, is not taking the drug and lying, or is a moron. It can be 2 out of 3.
You're not only taking medicine not the prescribed for something that has low proven results and side effects. His followers will try to get it and then walk around without masks or keeping social distance.
Why don't people point out that those who have said they used it ACTUALLY had the virus?
|by Anonymous||reply 171||05/21/2020|
HCQ doesn't *prevent* infection, but having it already IN your system (along with zinc & ivermectin, jury's out on azithromycin's net benefit at that early stage vs increased risk) is ideal.
It's like Tamiflu. If you're taking 1 capsule per day pre-exposure, and increase to 2 at the first hint of a symptom, you might be "off" for a day or two, but it might never progress beyond a mild scratchy throat, low fever, and a hint of a runny nose. Wait until you confirm that fever for your first dose, and you're likely to feel mildly sick for 4-5 days, including a day or two of a runny nose. Wait until your nose IS running to take it, and you might feel better a day sooner than otherwise.
Think: tiny little fire extinguisher vs burning pot/trashcan vs burning drapes vs burning room or house. It can't & won't do much, but if you use it early enough, it can work effectively. Wait too long, and it's futile unless your immune system is dysfunctional on top of everything else.
|by Anonymous||reply 172||05/21/2020|
Jesus Christ, do you work for a pharmaceuticals company that makes HCQ R172? We’ve already discontinued it at the hospital I work at because we’ve seen no clinical benefit and negative cardiac effects. Stop selling snake oil.
|by Anonymous||reply 173||05/21/2020|
R172 has only posted about Trumpcloroquine on DL, if that means anything R173. Just block it and then flip through your blocked list.
|by Anonymous||reply 174||05/21/2020|
Look, R172, if you'd rather be miserable for days or weeks (let alone risk devastating medical bills or death) than take cheap meds that have been used for decades on the off chance they might end up being useful if you take them early enough, be my guest.
Personally, I hate getting sick. If anything good has come from this pandemic, it's been the new public awareness of several things:
1. It wasn't our imagination after all. Some antibiotics DO have benefits against viral infections, antibiotic-police endlessly whinging about "over-use" be damned.
2. Ivermectin, which costs $30 for a 50mL bottle with enough to take 100 x 5mg prophylactic doses and is readily available from Amazon without a prescription, has known antiviral properties against influenza A. And works in a slightly different manner to Tamiflu, so combining the two into a cocktail might work even better. Pre-c19, it never even OCCURRED to me that ivermectin might have antiviral properties.
3. Remdesivir, which is likely to be dirt cheap and readily available online from pharmacies in India and elsewhere in another year or two (after it's been manufactured in vast quantities, C19 has burned itself out, and huge amounts are sitting around and facing destruction if they don't get sold), is EXTREMELY potent against rhinovirus, which causes most common colds.
And for cats, remdesivir is practically a gift from Bastet (the cat god) due to its already-demonstrated efficacy against FIP, and its likely efficacy in cocktail form against FeLV and FIV. It might even save Florida's panthers (approximately half of Florida's panthers have FIV).
4. Hydroxychloroquine has antiviral properties. Who knows what OTHER viruses it might be helpful against? Parainfluenza? Rotovirus? Picornavirus? RSV? Metapneumovirus?
There's a whole list of viruses that cause weeks and weeks of misery year after year that nobody has ever bothered to try and find real cures for. Thanks to c19, a whole basket of potential antiviral meds that might work against those nuisance infections has been metaphorically dropped at our feet. The genie's out of the bottle, and nobody is ever going to successfully put it back in.
This is the kind of stuff that makes me want to start an open-source drug study to test thousands of permutations of cheap & common drugs against random minor respiratory infections in tens of millions of people, just to see what sticks to the wall and works. The kind of drug study companies like Google and Facebook would do, using the same methodology normally used to compare the effectiveness of online advertising strategies... enormous amounts of data and no particular deliberate selection to prejudice the outcome, instead simply allowing the truth to spontaneously emerge on its own through the objective beauty of math. :-)
|by Anonymous||reply 175||05/21/2020|
Here are some numbers for you, R172/175. 96,000 in fact.
|by Anonymous||reply 176||05/22/2020|
r176, we're arguing parallel points.
Almost NOBODY disagrees at this point that giving HCQ+azithromycin to patients with known cardiac issues is problematic. There's healthy debate about whether the benefits outweigh the risks, but that study is basically MEANINGLESS in the context of "someone with early c19 infection, in otherwise good health, with no known cardiac contraindications".
Let's extend my "tiny little fire extinguisher" analogy a bit, because it's so great for enabling people to visualize the issue. Suppose someone who's old and frail is cooking dinner in their kitchen, and a pot catches on fire. They hobble over to the wall, grab their tiny fire extinguisher, and hobble back towards the burning pot. Because they've taken so long (since they're hobbling), the kitchen cabinets are burning, too. They try to use it, but because they're weak and frail, they drop the fire extinguisher. It rolls over to the cabinet base, the flames heat it up, and it explodes... killing the person with shrapnel. Three seconds later, a fireman breaks down the door, and sees them hopelessly bleeding out on the floor. This isn't an argument against having tiny fire extinguishers in the kitchen. Yes, that specific person ended up getting harmed by it... but most people in the same situation would have been able to quickly grab it, put out the fire, then have a shitty week ahead cleaning up the mess. Had the fire extinguisher (cheap meds that might work) been an option, their alternative would have been to call the fire department, run outside, watch half their house go up in flames while waiting, and have the fire department arrive in time to douse the burning embers.
Now, let's come up with an extended metaphor to illustrate the benefits OF taking HCQ(+zinc, and possibly other things) at an early stage, even though some people might be vulnerable to harm. Imagine that instead of a frail, hobbling old person, we have a mother with an infant child cooking dinner. She lives in a big 4,000sf McMansion, and her baby is upstairs (camera in the baby's room, video display in the kitchen). Eeek! The pot just caught on fire! Choose your adventure: If she grabs the fire extinguisher and attempts to put out the fire, turn to page 42. If she decides to leave fighting the fire to professionals, run upstairs, grab the baby, and fleet the house, turn to page 69.
Page 42: She grabs the tiny fire extinguisher, puts out the fire, and sighs. What a shitty day. The cleaning lady has a big day ahead of her tomorrow!
Page 69: It's a McMansion, built with things that are cheap, but made to look expensive. The kitchen cabinets look like cherry wood, but they're really low-quality Chinese thermofoil particleboard, manufactured using resins that are unusually flammable. As she's running up the stairs, the cabinets go up in flames as if they were doused in gasoline. By the time she's halfway down the stairs, the entire first floor is burning. She runs a little too fast, trips, and both her and the baby go flying & land face-first at the foot of the stairs. Their remains are found 3 hours later, after the fire department finishes putting it out.
The point is, a tiny fire extinguisher is a limited, constrained tool... but when used appropriately, it can put out a tiny fire before it spreads in unanticipated ways. Not everyone can use one safely or successfully, but shunning its use JUST BECAUSE not everyone can safely or successfully use one can itself turn out badly.
|by Anonymous||reply 177||05/22/2020|
R177 is truly a fucking moron with right wing, deplorable, trump agenda
|by Anonymous||reply 178||05/22/2020|
I truly can’t get over how stupid your post is R177! Also, antibiotics like azithromycin don’t work on viruses. They work on bacterial infections, you dumb right wing fuck!
|by Anonymous||reply 179||05/22/2020|
R177 makes absolute sense to me. Every patient that is prescribed a medication is screened for risk factors and made aware of the risk vs. benefit. If you're a relatively healthy individual who is at great risk of succumbing to a dangerous virus, then taking precautionary measures should be recommended.
|by Anonymous||reply 180||05/22/2020|
R180 if it was clinically proven to work! This medication is nowhere near proven to work and has a higher death rate!
|by Anonymous||reply 181||05/22/2020|
(CNN)Seriously ill Covid-19 patients who were treated with hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine were more likely to die or develop dangerous irregular heart rhythms, according to a large observational study published Friday in the medical journal The Lancet.
President Donald Trump has been a frequent cheerleader for a combination of the antimalarial hydroxychloroquine and the antibiotic azithromycin as a Covid-19 treatment. He promoted the drugs nearly 50 times, despite pleas from scientists to let studies decide if the treatment worked or not. On Monday, Trump said he was taking hydroxychloroquine to prevent coronavirus infection, although there's no evidence it can do that.
Dr. Mandeep Mehra, medical director of the Brigham and Women's Hospital Heart and Vascular Center and the lead author of the study, told CNN he would recommend hospitals stop using these drugs to treat Covid-19.
|by Anonymous||reply 182||05/22/2020|
R177 what is your background? Do you work in healthcare? Or are you just engaging in intellectual masturbation with your fire extinguisher metaphor when we both know damn well you can cite no hard data to back yourself up? We were seeing no clinical benefit and negative cardiac effects in enough patients with no cardiac history taking HCQ in my hospital that we’ve since discontinued it’s use. What do you think about that?
|by Anonymous||reply 183||05/22/2020|
r183, I'm an electrical engineer who knows that the time to exhaustively research medical options is BEFORE you need to make informed decisions about them. The time to make sure a hospital is on the list of those with access to remdesivir, and with a staff willing to use meds like ivermectin, HCQ (with zinc) and (if appropriate) azithromycin is BEFORE finding yourself in a position where you need to go to an emergency room, because once you're there, you're stuck with whatever they have at their disposal.
So you saw "negative cardiac effects". Great. You could make the exact same observation by giving someone 4 cans of Red Bull... or a normal dose of Levaquin. Lots of things produce "negative cardiac effects", and few of them are genuinely life-threatening.
You didn't see "clinical benefit"... but if the only people you're seeing are people who are sick enough to require hospitalization (or who were sick enough to GO to the emergency room, knowing it was going to cost them at least a few hundred dollars in copayments), you've already eliminated most of the people in the precise group likely to benefit from taking a cocktail that includes HCQ.
Right now, the anecdotal data suggesting that people with early-stage C19 might benefit from taking HCQ+zinc+whatever is no better or worse than the anecdotal data suggesting that it's useless or harmful to that exact group. Several months from now, when formal study data is available (and especially, once remdesivir is readily available), that position is certainly subject to revision.
Right now, there's an ENORMOUS double standard. A normal course of levofloxacin (for treating regular pneumonia) carries a higher net risk of adverse cardiac events than a normal course of HCQ+azithromycin... and ENORMOUSLY more net risk than a normal course of HCQ alone. Yet, doctors (at least, around here) still unflinchingly prescribe levofloxacin as their first-choice drug whenever someone shows up with suspected pneumonia, regardless of whether or not they have known cardiac issues. The media has drummed up hysteria like, "z0mG! Cardiac risk!!!!", while pretending that it's all equal.
Just to point out again, HCQ is a drug that people casually and routinely took prophylactically for YEARS when visiting third-world countries... and lots of those people who took it fell into the same "cardiac risk" groups known to exist today. There weren't people dropping dead from routinely taking HCQ back then, and there aren't now. It's not a drug I'd personally want to be taking daily for years, or even months (especially since Ivermectin is a viable alternative, and remdesivir is on the immediate horizon as a readily-available treatment), but if I woke up tomorrow morning with clear symptoms of c19, you can bet your ASS I'd be scrambling to get my hands on HCQ by whatever means necessary. And if my doctor said "no", I ended up progressing to a more severe case, and six months from now a study came out showing even the tiniest bit of objective benefit from its use, I'd absolutely blame him for my weeks of misery by depriving me of access to it.
I have no problem blaming myself when I make a bad decision. If I demand HCQ, get it, and suffer harm as a result, that's squarely on my back. But god forbid, if I catch C19, demand HCQ, my doctor says no, I spend weeks in misery, and I get my hands on a published study 14 months later affirming that it would have been even slightly useful, I will personally blame him for every needless minute of misery I suffered as a result of his refusal to cooperate.
|by Anonymous||reply 184||05/22/2020|
Anecdotal data, R184? Are you for real? Sorry, but I'll take the word of a medical researcher over the word of an electrical engineer who reads about health outcomes rather than, you know, clinically studying them. Fucks sakes. Just go suck Drumpf's cock already.
|by Anonymous||reply 185||05/22/2020|
[quote]I'm an electrical engineer....
Okay, this conversation is over. What is it about nerds that make them think they're qualified to opine on other topics? We see this over and over again from Silicon Valley idiots. And, speaking of idiots:
[quote]Right now, the anecdotal data
See, here's the thing: "anecdotal data" is an oxymoron. And it's worthless.
[quote]Several months from now, when formal study data is available...
We already have multiple studies on hydroxychorloquine. It's worthless. And harmful.
|by Anonymous||reply 186||05/22/2020|
This was a study published in Lancet studying thousands of patients. It wasn’t printed in the National Enquirer.
|by Anonymous||reply 187||05/22/2020|
Not to mention that it confirms other, smaller studies, R187, including a couple of trials that were stopped early because of the damage the drug was causing.
|by Anonymous||reply 188||05/22/2020|
THe other day he publicly announced he had taken it for a week and his course of treatment was coming to an end. He knows this is bad shit.
|by Anonymous||reply 189||05/22/2020|
Take it more than once a day!!!!! Take it every hour!!!!
|by Anonymous||reply 190||05/22/2020|
Part of me is laughing because I know he sank a ton of money into this drug and it’s worthless for this purpose. I wonder how the stock is doing.
He seems increasingly desperate as more and more reasons come to light not to use it. ”take it! Take it! What do you have to lose!” That’s going to be chiseled on his headstone. Melania’s second husband will order it.
|by Anonymous||reply 191||05/22/2020|
This is where the reporter asked what evidence he had that the pills worked. He replied:
“Ok, here’s my evidence. You ready? Here it is. I’ve heard a lot of good things app out these pills...”
So, Trump doesnt understand the difference between “evidence” and “gossip”, which explains a lot.
|by Anonymous||reply 192||05/22/2020|
r186, when someone publishes a credible study with data indicating that a cocktail that includes both HCQ *and* zinc has literally zero benefit (duration, severity, or propensity to shed virions) when taken prior to c19 infection or within hours of symptom onset, I'll officially revise my opinion. Until then, I'm satisfied with its theoretical basis for efficacy.
Seriously, if someone wants to prove it's useless, stop testing it without zinc, or polluting the studies with seriously ill edge cases who have cardiac issues or are likely to die regardless. Hell, just grab the fucking low-hanging fruit, and document its impact (or lack thereof) on daily plasma viral load in the days between symptom onset and recovery... something nice, easy, and objectively-measurable. There's abundant accounts by lab techs of seeing this, but nobody seems to be interested in formally documenting it (or firmly refuting it, if it's all in their imaginations). It's not even something that needs a goddamn 2-year study. Start enrolling newly-infected people tomorrow, measure viral load daily for up to 3 weeks, and publish the fucking raw data for anyone to interpret as they see fit. Done!
I'm tired of endless gimped studies that don't even study the right thing, then get joyfully cited as proof that nothing works.
|by Anonymous||reply 193||05/22/2020|
Just stop, R193. Go back to electrical engineering.
|by Anonymous||reply 194||05/23/2020|
R193 is like a Trump supporter who read a few books, but forgot to develop critical thinking skills!
|by Anonymous||reply 195||05/23/2020|
Oh, r195, you mean like people who are equally ready to jump on any possible excuse to conclude that HCQ is useless, deadly poison that's used only because the orange chimp has some dark agenda?
1. Antiviral drugs that work entirely by interfering with infection or replication, in someone with a functioning immune system, almost BY DEFINITION need to be taken prior to infection, or at least the INSTANT infection is credibly suspected, to make any real difference. So far, no published study has refuted the hypothesis that HCQ + zinc (alone, or in combination with azithromycin) can make a difference when taken at that point.
2. In-vitro studies concluded that HCQ + azithromycin reduced plasma viral load. Personal accounts by lab techs that the numbers do, in fact, measurably go down in real patients are widespread. This hypothesis would be TRIVIALLY easy to disprove if it were false. The fact that nobody has done it doesn't prove that it's correct, but it certainly adds credibility to present-day working assumptions that it's correct. The fact that, researchers who HAVE direct access to such raw data have mostly revised their hypotheses at this time to, "it appears to reduce plasma viral load, but its significance is still unknown" lends additional credibility to present-day theories that it might have value for treating early/mild cases & preventing them from progressing all the way to SARS.
I swear to god, some of y'all sound like the people who kept screeching for YEARS that HIV didn't cause AIDS, and that reducing plasma viral loads of HIV wouldn't matter. They were obviously wrong, and absent explicit strong evidence to the contrary, I think it's perfectly reasonable to conclude for now that limiting plasma viral load of SARS-COVD-2 early after infection is desirable, good, and at worst, has no downside compared to letting the infection freely run its course.
Is HCQ the best antiviral to treat C19? I think everyone agrees that it's not. But that doesn't make it useless. Lamivudine alone is useful for treating HIV for approximately 8 weeks before becoming useless... but it, or its prodrugs (like emtricitabine) are still part of the cocktail taken by nearly everyone with HIV, precisely because it's SO effective for treating HIV that lacks resistance to it.
if we've learned ANYTHING about viruses over the past 30 years, it's that monotherapies don't work. The more angles from which you can simultaneously attack a virus, the greater your likelihood of success.
|by Anonymous||reply 196||05/23/2020|
I highly suspect he became infected with a mild case, or infected with zero symptoms, as did the rest, or some, to many of the WH staff. Only a few got sick enough where they stayed home.
They may all have been taking this, or some, or most, is another suspicion.
The problem here, is not the actual drug. The problem is that most Americans aren’t pharmacists, RNs NPs, PAs, or physicians, emphasis on pharmacists, btw, because pharmacists catch doctors’ mistakes, MANY times.
That said, Trump is none of those things. And just because he or his staff, can choose to or decline a medication based on their medical health history, their current health, and current medications they may be taking, as well as consistent and close supervision under a doctor’s care, and have, so far, been treated successfully with what MAY or MAY NOT be, a temporary prophylactic protocol for prevention or treatment of asymptotic infections, or prevention thereof, does not mean that it is responsible or ethical, to tout the medication, or announce that it has been prescribed, to him, to the entire world.
That’s 👆🏼the problem, not the medication. The other problem is investing in it while being a sitting president, in order to profit from it, based on his personal medical health, temporary results, and intelligence reports that others are not privy to. That’s unethical, no question.
Also, being that most of us, here in America or elsewhere, are not medical professionals, while some of us actually ARE, we also understand that what Trump is doing is highly irresponsible, and that the possibility of someone perfectly healthy, taking this medication, without a thorough health evaluation from a doctor, and under that doctor’s consistent supervision and care, is very possible and hence very poor to fatal outcomes, are probable, even if to just a few people, which is EXACTLY what happened, when a couple in Arizona did exactly that. That’s ALL on Trump, if the idea came from Trump, initially. Their inability to think critically or rationally is not Trump’s responsibility, however, RESPONSIBLE AND RATIONAL PEOPLE WHO THINK CRITICALLY, UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE SOME TO MANY, WHO DO NOT, HENCE IT IS THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO MOT PUT OUT INFORMATION TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC, THAT MAY HARM AND/OR KILL, THOSE WHO ARE LESS INTELLIGENT THAN THEMSELVES, AND/OR WHO HAVE NO ACCESS TO HEALTHCARE.
Every single one of us is responsible for being responsible and ethical ourselves, for the primary benefit and care of others, and our selves. That why we buy car insurance, health insurance, etc. It’s why we become licensed to work in specific fields, and why we sign contracts. And decent, smart, critically and rationally thinking persons assume this responsibility, even without guidelines, because that’s what decent and good, ethical, and honest people do.
So are the MSM forced to slant and present this medication under the wide brush that Trump is a liar and/or nuts? Yes, they are, because he acted in a way that was profoundly irresponsible, unethical, and because immediately, two people were reported to have taken the medication without a doctor’s approval & prescription, and one died, while the other went into renal failure, and went into a coma.
If Donald Trump were an honest, ethical, and rational man, who wasn’t consumed with only himself, and his outcomes, the media wouldn’t have to wage extreme battles with him, in order to protect the general public. Every single war and battle under that war, is waged against him because he’s a selfish, dishonest, self serving asshole, who hasn’t the ability to be responsible and think of the well being and success of the American citizenry he was sworn to protect.
|by Anonymous||reply 197||05/23/2020|
Keep typing r196. You’ll exhaust yourself, dumb ass
|by Anonymous||reply 198||05/23/2020|
Pious Pence must be oh so disappointed that the hydroxychloroquine coupled with the fast food diet coupled with whatever it is orange snorts hasn't killed him yet. I bet Pence has had his speech ready and Mother has had her outfit chosen for over two years now waiting for the Secret Service to come and whisk them away for an immediate, emergency swearing in.
|by Anonymous||reply 199||05/23/2020|
[quote] I bet Pence has had his speech ready and Mother has had her outfit chosen for over two years now waiting for the Secret Service to come and whisk them away for an immediate, emergency swearing in.
He's on his knees before Jesus every night but he just won't come! Pence has been a frustrated boy from the beginning. Does he have a soul? I swear all I've seen is a smear of mayonnaise walking behind Trump whenever they're reportedly together. Can't even remember what he looks like. Who're we talking about?
|by Anonymous||reply 200||05/23/2020|
> two people were reported to have taken the medication without a doctor’s approval & prescription, and one died, while the other went into renal failure, and went into a coma.
Sigh. For the umpteenth time, the couple did NOT take hydroxychloroquine sulfate, they took chloroquine phosphate. The two are not the same. Hydroxychloroquine is specifically an improved form with a wider margin of safety than (non-hydroxy)chloroquine.
|by Anonymous||reply 201||05/23/2020|
The problem is him AND the medication r197. Take your deplorable propaganda and disinformation elsewhere!
|by Anonymous||reply 202||05/23/2020|
R196 is a propaganda account is pushing hydroxychloroquine all over this site!
|by Anonymous||reply 203||05/23/2020|
R201. We know. The idiots took it thinking it was the same thing touted by Drumpf. So still on that orange shitbag.
|by Anonymous||reply 204||05/23/2020|
How much money do trump and Giuliani stand to make off hydroxychloroquine? They sure aren’t pushing it in the name of science!
|by Anonymous||reply 205||05/23/2020|
R198, am I correct in assuming that you are mistaking me and my post, for a follow up to R196’s post, and that I am R196, myself? Because I am not R196.
My post is a counter argument for the the clinical presentation of R196’s post, because AGAIN, clinical arguments are not to be argued by the general public. They are to be argued by EXPERTS in the field of pharmacology and medicine, which is why we have the FDA, rather than DataLounge, Reddit, or any other forum, where people post information and findings, based on very limited testing & trials, which state data, presented under very specific and non-approved clinical TRIALS under our FDA, which is why most of this information is usually offered from other countries, rather than the United States.
So R196’s presentations are not necessarily incorrect, however, they’re ONLY to be used as data for EXPERTS to use as a part of TONS of other data that they, themselves, must read, & test in their own clinical environments, under FDA approval if testing in the U.S., and consider for guidance, when pursuing or choosing to not pursue specific drug protocols, when treating illness. After all of this has been completed, repeatedly, which is why approval in the United States takes YEARS, then, & ONLY then, is that data disseminated to a pharmaceutical company in the United States, as findings in which they, and many other pharmaceutical industry companies worldwide, who usually funded the testing, as segments of comprehensive data, are used to advise them as to whether or not they should produce the drug, if at all, and if so, to what degree or scale, the production of the drug should be.
See? This entire post of mine right here, is exactly what I attempted to communicate @ R197. Most people read shit, or like Trump, take a prescription, and do not consider the steps necessary, in order to present personal experiences with medications, or even limited, non FDA approved clinical trials performed in Italy, when running their mouths, or criticizing posters like R196, who probably isn’t lying or misinforming, yet didn’t use a legal disclaimer, which he isn’t required to do, on DL.
I wanted to add to what R196 wrote, because I felt that re-emphasizing, AGAIN, the importance of NOT taking medications without evaluation, care, prescription and close supervision under and from a licensed doctor in the country and/or state, in which they live, to be of paramount importance.
If Trump is taking this medication, it is to be assumed he is taking it because of the benefit of the drug when used for treating inflammation, which is why it is used for patients whom are diagnosed with Rheumatoid Arthritis, and Lupus. And that means he probably tested positive and is and remains, asymptotic, because there is no justification for such a potentially harmful drug, to be used on a person of his age and weight, unless he already used it for RA or lupus. There are many prescriptions used as treatment for other diagnostics, under off-prescription guidelines, yet they are not given out Willy nilly by responsible physicians. It’s not like going to your dermatologist, complaining about excessive perspiration problems, and they inject your armpits or the palms of your hands, with Botox, or use it on you for severe headaches. Can it be used for something other than wrinkles? Yes. However, Botox is not likely to cause renal or multiple organ failure.
Bottom line, Trump isn’t a doctor or an expert on anything but lying for profit, and he is responsible for disseminating information to the general public, that directly resulted two Americans who were not under any medical care or supervision, to take a non prescribed drug, without having tested positive for CoVid-19, which resulted the couple experiencing renal failure, coma, permanent or acute disability with woman and the death of her husband, that we know of, so far. How you interpreted me saying anything other than THIS, is beyond me, R198.
|by Anonymous||reply 206||05/23/2020|
Jesus Christ! Learn to edit r206!
|by Anonymous||reply 207||05/23/2020|
On my Internet travels, I saw this post. Anyone hear anything about it? Is it legit?
|by Anonymous||reply 208||05/23/2020|
Not sure r208, but he’s not pushing it in the name of science
|by Anonymous||reply 209||05/23/2020|
While America's Covid-19 death toll is almost at 100,000 lives, it's wonderful to see the Orange Menace is hard at work.
|by Anonymous||reply 210||05/23/2020|
^ He really DOESN'T CARE, does he?
|by Anonymous||reply 211||05/23/2020|
^^ Nancy wasn't exaggerating.
|by Anonymous||reply 212||05/23/2020|
R207, I’m pissed. This has been politicized, ONCE AGAIN. This drug MIGHT or MIGHT NOT work, and if it does, it does so ONLY under VERY specific circumstances, and the President of the United States of America, is not the one who should casually and/or deceptively, share his own anecdotal experience or flat out bullshit, with the general American public!
Why did he do this???? To help us, or to help himself?
Now people are running around, saying the MSM is lying, because Trump is telling the truth, when the truth REALLY is, that IF YOU BECAME INFECTED WITH COVID-19 AND WERE ASYMPTOTIC OR MILDLY ILL, AND A DOCTOR TREATED YOU WITH THIS DRUG, AND THE OUTCOME WAS POSITIVE, YOU ARE JUST FUCKING LUCKY, AND IT REALLY HAS NOT MUCH TO DO WITH WHETHER THIS DRUG IS SUCCESSFUL FOR MOST, YET COULD BE SUCCESSFUL FOR SOME! However, we do not know much at all, because this is a NOVEL virus, and politicizing treatment, medications, etc., is unethical, irresponsible, and even deadly, when done by Trump or anyone else.
And why does it piss me off? Because it is a losing battle, even amongst our own base, because what Trump does, it that he creates a trail of shit, that the MSM is required to constantly clean up, by disavowing everything he says, so that stupid Trumpers do not diagnose and treat themselves with something that can kill them, yet could PERHAPS actually treat them, when done under the supervision of a doctor.
Nuance is lost. We only think in extremes, and I am very unhappy that I have to operate and conduct myself with others who constantly place me under potential harm, because they’re so fucking easily convinced by political propaganda, that they deliberately choose to not wear masks or observe social distancing. And guess what? This virus and its spread is nuanced, as well, and people are dead, & will continue dying, needlessly, because a man who is so negligent, did not do his job, yet is a MASTER MANIPULATOR, & conned many Americans, including ones I once respected, into voting for him.
And the other truth that actually hurts and is more personal, is realizing that most Americans voted for Trump because they are actually just horrible people, and were just good at hiding it from others. These people include my parents, who are both racist homophobes and refuse to admit one of those things, yet their religion emboldens then to proclaim the other.
Again, loss of nuance. That loss is causing profound cognitive dissonance for them, and my emotional isolation, from them, my parents, whom I love, yet now know to be people who actually vote against the interests of minorities and LGBTs. The anger I experience, still, when realizing that these people raised me, is only countered by the gratitude I feel, for not turning out like them.
But knowing that my very own parents voted for a HORRIBLE human being, and will do so again, because they, themselves, are also horrible, in ways that they refuse to acknowledge or refuse to admit are wrong, really fucking hurts. And people died because of this hatred, and not one of the people who support Trump, yet deny why they do, even to themselves, will ever admit that they too, are partially responsible for this suffering and global health disaster.
Do you understand how fucking shocking this STILL remains?
We are literally becoming Germany, pre-Holocaust, and continue to deny this, as well. Where am I going to go? Where do you go? Your children? It’s happening in the UK, Europe, NZ, Australia, South America. Israel, Asia. Just like CoVid-19, Authoritarianism is and will continue infecting us, globally, and this ideology will use our healthcare systems and ventilators, to kill vulnerable people, poor people, minority people, as a replacement for concentration camps and gas chambers.
It is ALREADY HAPPENING, and most of us are too fucking stubborn and blind to see it happening right in front of our noses.
NO ONE is recognizing that CoVid-19 is just one in MANY things to come, if we do not stop living in fear of others, just because those others, are not us.
|by Anonymous||reply 213||05/23/2020|
All these posts are from the same shill.
[quote] R65 = deplorable trash!
[quote] R131 sounds like deplorable trash
[quote] R177 is truly a fucking moron with right wing, deplorable, trump agenda
[quote] I truly can’t get over how stupid your post is R177! ... you dumb right wing fuck!
[quote] R180 if it was clinically proven to work! This medication is nowhere near proven to work and has a higher death rate!
[quote] (CNN)Seriously ill Covid-19 patients who were treated with hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine were more likely to die
[quote] R193 is like a Trump supporter who read a few books, but forgot to develop critical thinking skills!
[quote] Take your deplorable propaganda and disinformation elsewhere!
[quote] R196 is a propaganda account is pushing hydroxychloroquine all over this site!
[quote] How much money do trump and Giuliani stand to make off hydroxychloroquine? They sure aren’t pushing it in the name of science!
|by Anonymous||reply 214||05/23/2020|
R213 Again with the learning to edit!
|by Anonymous||reply 215||05/23/2020|
R214 Correct! There is a lot of deplorable trash to call out in this thread! No shill though! The deplorable propaganda is so fucking transparent I could vomit!
|by Anonymous||reply 216||05/23/2020|
[quote] Nuance is lost. We only think in extremes
Ironic as your post is completely lacking in nuance or even a coherent argument.
|by Anonymous||reply 217||05/23/2020|
R217 is a right wing propaganda account. Use trolldar and behold her deplorable glory!
|by Anonymous||reply 218||05/23/2020|
[quote]If Donald Trump were an honest, ethical, and rational man, who wasn’t consumed with only himself, and his outcomes, the media wouldn’t have to wage extreme battles with him, in order to protect the general public. Every single war and battle under that war, is waged against him because he’s a selfish, dishonest, self serving asshole, who hasn’t the ability to be responsible and think of the well being and success of the American citizenry he was sworn to protect.
Excellent summary of Trump's temperament.
|by Anonymous||reply 219||05/23/2020|
Is he dead yet?
|by Anonymous||reply 220||05/23/2020|
I like this song parody, made me smile. It's "Vote Him Away" sung to "The Lion Sleeps Tonight" music by The Tokens.
|by Anonymous||reply 221||05/24/2020|