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Surrogates left holding the baby as coronavirus rules strand parents

A week before Sierra Martin’s 27 February due date, she received an email. It was from the couple that Martin was carrying a baby for, as a gestational surrogate. This was Martin’s first surrogacy; she was carrying a boy for a gay couple from China.

Due to the coronavirus travel ban, the email read, the couple wouldn’t be able to get into the US to collect their son. Would Martin look after him, until the restrictions were lifted?

“I waited a full day before replying, because I didn’t know what to do,” says Martin, who is 22 and works as a barista and childminder in Lake Bay, Washington. “I have nothing to look after a baby!”

After thinking about it, she agreed. Martin gave birth to baby Steven on 23 February, and took him home. She is raising him alongside her two children, aged three and five, until his parents can get into the US, sort the paperwork, and bring Steven home to China.

Spending nearly three months raising a baby she has given birth to, but who she is not biologically related to and will be giving back to his parents eventually, is emotionally wearing. “I love having the baby snuggles,” says Martin, “but it’s definitely hard knowing that he is not mine. I love him, but I know that he has to go back to his own parents eventually.”

Martin and baby Steven are caught up in a nationwide surrogacy crisis of growing proportions. Commercial surrogacy is legal in some US states, making it a hotspot for parents looking to have children through assisted reproduction. But the coronavirus travel ban has seen President Trump close the country’s borders to almost all international visitors, while a nationwide US passport office shutdown has made it impossible for parents who do manage to get into the country to obtain the necessary documentation to take their children home. As a result, babies are being born without their parents present at the birth (immigration authorities will only let parents in once the surrogate has given birth to the child). In at least one case, a mother flew from France to attend the birth of her child, only to be turned back by border control. Some parents aren’t being allowed in the country at all.

Surrogates and surrogacy agencies are scrambling to look after babies themselves. “It’s unprecedented for a surrogate to be looking after the baby,” says Rich Geisler, a Californian surrogacy lawyer. “We as an industry really try to avoid that. We want to avoid the possibility of the surrogate bonding with the child.”

Martin is adamant that she’ll be able to give Steven back to his parents when the time is right. “It will be hard to give him back, because I’ll miss him,” Martin says. “But I know he’s not mine, and that I have to give him up, which is totally OK with me.” She pauses. “But there’s definitely a bit of attachment there,” Martin says. “I care for him. When you love on a baby, you love on a baby.”

To avoid leaving children in the care of their surrogates, with the emotional challenges this can entail, some surrogacy agency workers are taking babies into their own homes. “I never anticipated something of this nature happening,” says Katie Faust, a 26-year-old surrogacy case worker from Tampa Bay. Faust is caring for a three-week-old baby girl, whose name we have withheld at her parents’ request.

When it became apparent that her parents, a heterosexual couple living in China, would be unable to collect her, Faust, her husband, and three children flew to California to collect the baby, rented a car, then drove for five days back to Florida. (As the baby doesn’t have a passport, they couldn’t take her on a commercial flight.) “We’re just kind of planning it as we go along,” says Faust. “We’re trying to figure out a way to get her reunited with her parents as soon as we can. But I’m OK looking after her, until they get here.”

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For the parents on the other end of the coronavirus shutdown, there is an excruciating wait to meet their children for the first time. “I feel really sad about almost everything to do with my son’s birth,” says John, a 41-year-old airline worker from Shanghai.

John’s baby son with his partner Will, a 39-year-old finance worker, was born on 24 February: they have not been able to enter the US to meet him due to the travel ban. (Both men have requested anonymity, as they are not out to their employers.)

When Trump issued an order preventing Chinese nationals from entering the US in January, John wept. “I cried and cried,” he remembers. “It was really important for me to be there for the birth.”

Fortunately, Will’s elderly parents live in Portland, and are caring for the baby. “We speak to the baby by WeChat almost every day,” says John. “When I look at his photos or videos, I feel like my heart is melting.” But Will’s parents are elderly, and he worries what would happen should they, or the baby, fall sick with coronavirus – the baby is uninsured, as the shutdown means they can’t get the documentation they would need to insure him. John wants more than anything to get into the US and bring his son home. “Here in China, life is returning to normal,” John says. “I think the US government should open the border, so I can get my son. Most people here are healthy and do not have the disease.”

In addition to the logistical challenges of arranging care for a child you have never met on the other side of the world, the shutdown means that parents like John and Will are missing out on those precious early months with their children. Martin is sending Steven’s parents pictures and videos, but it’s not the same. “For Steven’s sake it would be nice for him to bond with his parents instead of with me,” Martin says. “Those first three months of his life are instrumental in the bonding process for the baby.”

And even if you can get into the US to collect your child, your problems don’t end there. Surrogacy is an expensive process. Having to wait in the US for the passport office to reopen – at the moment, it is only issuing documents for life-and-death emergencies, which do not include surrogacy – all add to the cost. “People are running out of funds,” says New Jersey reproductive lawyer Melissa Brisman. “They’ve already spent so much money on this. They can’t afford another £2,000 a week on a certified nurse to take care of the baby.”

When I speak to Nir Tcik, he sounds almost frantic. “We are under huge pressure, because every day our money is getting lower and lower,” he says. Tcik, 47, and his husband Avi, 46, are from Israel, where same-sex surrogacy is illegal. Their daughter Noga was born on 2 April. Since Noga’s birth, the family of four – the Tciks have a four-year-old son, also born via surrogate – have been stuck in a New Jersey hotel room, waiting in vain for the authorities to issue her a birth certificate. Even when the birth certificate comes through, they will probably still be stuck, unless the Israeli embassy can make an exception and issue Noga emergency travel documents to fly home, in lieu of a US passport.

The Tciks did not budget for nearly two months in the US. They estimate they have spent almost $20,000 in additional costs due to the coronavirus shutdown, on top of the approximately $150,000 cost of the surrogacy. “If this goes on much longer,” Tcik says, “we are going to have to borrow money from family and friends.”

He is terrified that Noga will fall ill – as Noga has no official paperwork, she is uninsured. As a result, the Tciks are terrified to take her outside, lest she contracts coronavirus. “We are stuck in this hotel,” says Tcik. “All the time, we’re in this hotel room. We don’t feel safe.”

by Anonymousreply 1May 15, 2020 3:05 AM

Sad on both sides. However, the parents in the US should have been in the US about two weeks before the anticipated due date just in case it had come early.

by Anonymousreply 2May 15, 2020 3:12 AM

What’s up with this trend of Chinese people specifically choosing white parents? It’s well documented. For a country that supposedly hates foreigners and believes in their own innate superiority, they sure are obsessed with having non-Asian looking kids

by Anonymousreply 3May 15, 2020 3:17 AM

Exactly what I was thinking, R3.

Why would they want a kid that doesn't look like them.

That is so fucking bizarre.

by Anonymousreply 4May 15, 2020 3:23 AM

White Slavery

by Anonymousreply 5May 15, 2020 3:24 AM

Surrogacy is just so weird to me, it's like turning a human into a product. Just my opinion, don't get hysterical if you disagree.

by Anonymousreply 6May 15, 2020 3:28 AM

I always thought that people who use surrogates, try to have at least one parents' genes in the child?

If those chinese are using an American surrogate for the baby, who in the hell are the biological parents? Do they get paid too?

That must cost a hell of a lot of money, to pay for a surrogate, AND a sperm and egg donor.

by Anonymousreply 7May 15, 2020 3:28 AM

Just another example of the retail chain being disrupted due to this thing.

I don't expect to get a new edition of the African Baby Catalogue until fall at the earliest.

by Anonymousreply 8May 15, 2020 3:30 AM

Wouldn't it be damaging to hand over a three month old baby when it has already bonded with its "mum"? I can also see some women being unable to hand over the baby at all.

by Anonymousreply 9May 15, 2020 3:31 AM

Clearly, this is a booming business.

Young breeders are working from home and getting PAID.

Reading this story, I'm actually glad that the process has been disrupted.

This shouldn't be happening.

by Anonymousreply 10May 15, 2020 3:32 AM

[quote] The Tciks did not budget for nearly two months in the US. They estimate they have spent almost $20,000 in additional costs due to the coronavirus shutdown, on top of the approximately $150,000 cost of the surrogacy. “If this goes on much longer,” Tcik says, “we are going to have to borrow money from family and friends.”

boo fucking hoo

too damned bad. Adopting a baby isn't good enough for them. They don't like kids enough to raise someone else's baby. NOOOOOOO. They want THEIR OWN BABY

by Anonymousreply 11May 15, 2020 3:34 AM

[quote] If this goes on much longer,” Tcik says, “we are going to have to borrow money from family and friends.”

That's what you think, asshole!

by Anonymousreply 12May 15, 2020 3:36 AM

R11 It's not even "100%" their baby anyway. Until same-sex reproduction is invented ("male eggs" and "female sperm"), a baby born through surrogacy will never be related to both parents. That's another thing that bothers me about surrogacy: you are essentially bringing a third party into your relationship in a most intimate way.

by Anonymousreply 13May 15, 2020 4:02 AM

Humans should be made in labs. People should really have to pass regular psych exams, not have debilitating genetic conditions and have to relicensed every year to raise a human. Also, pregnancy just doesn’t even make any sense. There are better ways to do all of this.

by Anonymousreply 14May 15, 2020 4:09 AM

What a switch. An American carrying a baby for a gay couple in China! Usually it's the other way around.

I guess the baby gets citizenship.

by Anonymousreply 15May 15, 2020 4:10 AM

Hot daddy

by Anonymousreply 16May 15, 2020 4:14 AM

[quote] I guess the baby gets citizenship.

Is that true, R15?

If so, that's a loophole that must be closed.

The last thing we need in this country are more chinese paying for US citizenship. Enough!

by Anonymousreply 17May 15, 2020 4:15 AM

Any child born on US soil is automatically a citizen. We are one of the few countries that does this. Why do you think birth tourism exists.

by Anonymousreply 18May 15, 2020 4:24 AM

[quote] Until same-sex reproduction is invented ("male eggs" and "female sperm"), a baby born through surrogacy will never be related to both parents.

Not necessarily. If a sibling of yours provides the egg or sperm to your partner‘s egg/sperm, then the child is related to you biologically as a niece or nephew. Some men get their sisters to contribute the egg to their husband’s sperm; it’s not totally uncommon.

by Anonymousreply 19May 15, 2020 4:25 AM

[QUOTE] Having to wait in the US for the passport office to reopen – at the moment, it is only issuing documents for life-and-death emergencies, which do not include surrogacy

Funny how those anti-choice repukes don’t consider birth an issue of ‘life or death’....

by Anonymousreply 20May 15, 2020 4:27 AM

Commercial breeding of children is wrong, shockingly wrong.

by Anonymousreply 21May 15, 2020 4:29 AM

Come on R19 you know damn well what I meant by "related".

And that's even nastier, raising your niece/nephew as your daughter/son.

by Anonymousreply 22May 15, 2020 4:35 AM

[quote]too damned bad. Adopting a baby isn't good enough for them. They don't like kids enough to raise someone else's baby. NOOOOOOO. They want THEIR OWN BABY

Why don't you go bitch at men and women in fertility clinics. There are far more of them contributing to the problem.

by Anonymousreply 23May 15, 2020 4:41 AM

The gay Chinese couple -- who have no biological relationship to their white American baby -- couldn't buy a baby in China to raise? This situation seems very strange.

by Anonymousreply 24May 15, 2020 4:45 AM

[quote]The gay Chinese couple -- who have no biological relationship to their white American baby -- couldn't buy a baby in China to raise?

"We thought about it, darling, but with WUHAN and all ... well, you never really can be sure, can you?"

by Anonymousreply 25May 15, 2020 4:56 AM

[quote]Wouldn't it be damaging to hand over a three month old baby when it has already bonded with its "mum"? I can also see some women being unable to hand over the baby at all

It might be damaging. There are some foster parents who only take in infants and toddlers. My parents were friends with a couple who did that for many years. They had two biological kids and then adopted a toddler and a five year old from foster care in the mid 80s. A few years later, they were asked by a case worker if they would consider being temporary foster parents for infants and toddlers. They were hesitant by eventually said yes.

The wife told my mom that she had a hard time letting go of the first foster baby. But, over time she learned not to get too attached and she saw herself as a temporary guardian. The placement periods varied for them. It was quite common for them to have newborns placed in their homes for only for few weeks while social services was either looking for prospective parents or relatives of the babies were going through proper legal channels to get custody and guardianship of the babies.

Some placements did last months or sometimes a year at most. They dealt with cases of infants and toddlers being removed from homes due to neglect, abuse, or parental surrendering. My parents' friends said in some cases relatives would get custody of children and there were cases of parents regaining custody later on

There's that popular frau blogger and author Rachel Hollis. Several years back, Hollis and her husband became foster parents and had newborn twins placed in their care. For some weird reason, she thought the placement was going to be a foster to adopt path. But, it wasn't that kind of adoption path . I can't remember if the twins were reunited with their birth mom or if a relative took them. Anyway, Hollis had a meltdown on social media about how she and her husband weren't allowed to further contact the twins She got ripped to shreds on fostering and adoption sites because the attitude that many foster parents have is there is no guarantee that you will be able to adopt foster care kids.

by Anonymousreply 26May 15, 2020 5:00 AM

^ I meant to type "It might not be damaging"

by Anonymousreply 27May 15, 2020 5:01 AM

The baby is clearly Asian If you look at the pic in the article.

by Anonymousreply 28May 15, 2020 5:02 AM

R28, that baby has dark hair, but does not look Asian at all. I agree with the other posters, so weird to go out of their way to have a white baby and then raise them in China.

by Anonymousreply 29May 15, 2020 6:06 AM

R22, how's it "nastier" to use a sibling as an egg or sperm donor. When the time comes, the kid doesn't have to wonder who the bio parent is. The kid will know its full medical history. And the grandparent has a bio link to the kid.

by Anonymousreply 30May 15, 2020 6:26 AM

If the child automatically receives US citizenship upon birth, then the parents can bring the kid back in a few years and establish their own residency through chain migration.

by Anonymousreply 31May 15, 2020 6:29 AM

[quote]What’s up with this trend of Chinese people specifically choosing white parents? It’s well documented. For a country that supposedly hates foreigners and believes in their own innate superiority, they sure are obsessed with having non-Asian looking kids

The baby isn't "white" and is clearly Asian. Perhaps not full Asian, but definitely part Asian

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by Anonymousreply 32May 15, 2020 6:31 AM

[quote] Wouldn't it be damaging to hand over a three month old baby when it has already bonded with its "mum"?

No.

by Anonymousreply 33May 15, 2020 6:32 AM

There's only one way to settle this argument: Offer the baby a half-empty can of Coke and a bottle of pee-pee.

by Anonymousreply 34May 15, 2020 6:39 AM

I don't understand R34?

by Anonymousreply 35May 15, 2020 6:55 AM

R35

It's an old joke, am not going to repeat it; but am sure someone else on DL will do so.

by Anonymousreply 36May 15, 2020 7:44 AM

“Why would they want a kid that doesn't look like them.”

They’re growing and grooming their own future Store Greeters, for when China purchases Walmart.

by Anonymousreply 37May 15, 2020 7:55 AM

R26 These things sometimes go south. A few years ago the author Joyce Maynard made a big public thing about how adopting 2 Ethiopian girls enriched her life. About a year later she returned them so evidently the adoption failed. She was strangely mum about the details after being so public about the adoption.

by Anonymousreply 38May 15, 2020 8:00 AM

[quote] The gay Chinese couple -- who have no biological relationship to their white American baby -- couldn't buy a baby in China to raise? This situation seems very strange.

It's like R15 and R31 said. They're doing it as their ticket to US citizenship.

Fucking assholes. This should NOT be allowed.

[quote] Wouldn't it be damaging to hand over a three month old baby when it has already bonded with its "mum"?

Not in this case. That baby doesn't look anything like her, so why would she want it?

by Anonymousreply 39May 15, 2020 8:14 AM

Rich people’s problems.

by Anonymousreply 40May 15, 2020 8:20 AM

I agree, R40.

Entitled people, demanding their entitlements.

by Anonymousreply 41May 15, 2020 12:52 PM

Joyce Maynard sacrificed a lot of money by adopting those 2 older African sisters. The girls weren't really happy and they wanted a father, so with the help of social workers, Joyce found them a mother/father home. She had the best of intentions and when the adoption was failing, she found a solution.

by Anonymousreply 42May 15, 2020 1:04 PM

R22. If my brother and his husband asked for an egg I'd be happy to oblige Nothing nasty about it Love is love. Get over yourself.

by Anonymousreply 43May 15, 2020 1:09 PM

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

by Anonymousreply 44May 15, 2020 1:24 PM

And why doesn’t this surrogate just give the baby to social services if she doesn’t want to take care of it? Aren’t the Chinese guys giving her money for its care? Didn’t she get the money upfront? If they didn’t pay her for the baby, they don’t get it.

by Anonymousreply 45May 15, 2020 1:28 PM

[quote] It's like [R15] and [R31] said. They're doing it as their ticket to US citizenship.

There are easier ways to buy a path to citizenship.

by Anonymousreply 46May 15, 2020 1:29 PM

[quote]Just my opinion, don't get hysterical if you disagree.

I will get hysterical whenever I damn well please.

by Anonymousreply 47May 15, 2020 1:30 PM

If there’s any aspect of corona that is undermining the human effort to play God, I’m all for it. Manufacturing babies is whack. Adopt a child in need.

by Anonymousreply 48May 15, 2020 1:30 PM

[quote]Manufacturing babies is whack.

We need to stuff lesbians basting themselves. Especially since those children are abused at such high rates.

by Anonymousreply 49May 15, 2020 1:33 PM

[quote] If they didn’t pay her for the baby, they don’t get it.

Well she certainly doesn't want that baby.

She's just a surrogate, and never expected to have to be responsible for it.

by Anonymousreply 50May 15, 2020 1:34 PM

[quote]We need to stuff lesbians basting themselves.

*STOP

by Anonymousreply 51May 15, 2020 1:37 PM

Just put all of these stranded babies up for adoption, and be done with it.

by Anonymousreply 52May 15, 2020 1:39 PM

R50, I don’t disagree. So she should turn it over to social services if the Chinese couple isn’t paying her to care for it. Or their lawyer can find another person to care for their baby.

by Anonymousreply 53May 15, 2020 1:40 PM

I love how nasty homophobic bigots like r49 feel the need to correct themselves, like the garbage they spew needs to be clarified. No one cares about your nasty homophobic lies, idiot.

by Anonymousreply 54May 15, 2020 1:42 PM

R30 It's strange. "Oh, yeah, you know auntie Sarah? Well technically she is your bio mom too. She's auntie-mommy Sarah maybe? So counting the surrogate you have 4 parents in total, I guess?" Bringing extra people, including your siblings, into the innermost dynamics of your relationship is just weird imo.

R43 Good thing nobody wants your eggs.

by Anonymousreply 55May 15, 2020 1:43 PM

The reason that the Chinese couples and other foreign couples chose to use US surrogates is to get US citizenship for their child. The child can come to the US for boarding school and college; the child will be able to get grants/fed loans only available to US citiznes.

When the child is older, he/she can begin the process of chain. migration for the parents/grandparents and other various relatives.

The gay Chinese couple obviously used an egg from a Chinese donor.

Surrogates do not provide the egg. This is done so that the surrogate can never claim the child, as the surrogate is not the genetic parent ( epigenetics aside).

by Anonymousreply 56May 15, 2020 1:44 PM

Well that's pretty damned sneaky, R56.

Unsurprisingly.

by Anonymousreply 57May 15, 2020 1:47 PM

[quote] It's strange. "Oh, yeah, you know auntie Sarah? Well technically she is your bio mom too.

It’s strange, but not uncommon, to have and uncle-daddy in certain parts of the US.

by Anonymousreply 58May 15, 2020 1:47 PM

Fishplaining:

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by Anonymousreply 59May 15, 2020 1:47 PM

[quote] It’s strange, but not uncommon, to have and uncle-daddy in certain parts of the US.

Or sister wives.

by Anonymousreply 60May 15, 2020 1:49 PM

[quote] The reason that the Chinese couples and other foreign couples chose to use US surrogates is to get US citizenship for their child. The child can come to the US for boarding school and college; the child will be able to get grants/fed loans only available to US citiznes.

What a wonderful scheme. If enough people take advantage of this, the systems put in place in the U.S. for actually needy people will collapse in no time.

[quote] The gay Chinese couple obviously used an egg from a Chinese donor.

That baby looks half white.

by Anonymousreply 61May 15, 2020 1:49 PM

Chinese people spend huge amounts of money trying to look white. They obviously wanted a half-white baby, but probably used another person's egg in their surrogate.

by Anonymousreply 62May 15, 2020 1:50 PM

I’m glad I had an abortion!

by Anonymousreply 63May 15, 2020 1:51 PM

[quote]Humans should be made in labs. People should really have to pass regular psych exams, not have debilitating genetic conditions and have to relicensed every year to raise a human. Also, pregnancy just doesn’t even make any sense. There are better ways to do all of this.

You need both a psych exam and to enroll in Basic Human Biology 101.

by Anonymousreply 64May 15, 2020 1:53 PM

My thought: all children should be born to a surrogate. Casual pregnancy should be a illegal. Having a child should require licensing.

by Anonymousreply 65May 15, 2020 1:55 PM

[quote]A few years ago the author Joyce Maynard made a big public thing about how adopting 2 Ethiopian girls enriched her life. About a year later she returned them

She didn't "return" them, she made sure they were placed with another family. They'd worked with adoption experts and it was decided the girls needed a family with two parents and other kids, which is where they were placed.

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by Anonymousreply 66May 15, 2020 2:01 PM

This was even stranger and sadder, rows of surrogate babies lined up in the Ukraine unable to go to their foreign parents.

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by Anonymousreply 67May 15, 2020 2:04 PM

Sad. Hope those babies can be united with their parents soon when travel restrictions end.

by Anonymousreply 68May 15, 2020 2:06 PM

Many of the Ukrainian babies will grow up and develop issues with attachment and bonding, given that they are spending their infancy with a lack of frequent human touch and contact.

Very sad and disturbing.

by Anonymousreply 69May 15, 2020 2:08 PM

[quote]Many of the Ukrainian babies will grow up and develop issues with attachment and bonding

They'll have far fewer issues than most of the kids up for adoption though.

Or kids raised by homophobic parents and lesbians.

by Anonymousreply 70May 15, 2020 2:10 PM

[quote] This was even stranger and sadder, rows of surrogate babies lined up in the Ukraine unable to go to their foreign parents.

This is why the practice of surrogacy should be ended. Everywhere.

It is cruel and inhumane, although the advocacy groups for surrogates would tear you apart, if you ever suggested such a thing.

These people are so fucking selfish, especially when there are so many other kids who need to be adopted. Not to mention that they are adding to the over population problem.

by Anonymousreply 71May 15, 2020 2:13 PM

[quote]Not to mention that they are adding to the over population problem.

Nope. Surrogacy makes up a tiny part of the world's population group. Really, really tiny.

Kids who are put up for adoption make up more.

But fish love churning them out.

by Anonymousreply 72May 15, 2020 2:15 PM

Surrogacy is BIG BUSINESS.

Women can earn more carrying someone else's baby for nine months, than they ever could in some stupid office job or working in fast food.

Plus, they get to "work from home."

by Anonymousreply 73May 15, 2020 2:20 PM

Yes, and they'd have you believe sitting around for nine months is such demanding work.

by Anonymousreply 74May 15, 2020 2:21 PM

Why would anybody adopt from the Ukraine when alcoholism is such a terrible problem there. You are really playing Russian roulette.

by Anonymousreply 75May 15, 2020 2:22 PM

Yes R73 but the pool of suitable surrogates is small.

No fatties

No drinkers/smokers

No health problems

No mental health problems

That excludes most of the office workers.

by Anonymousreply 76May 15, 2020 2:23 PM

Sad that those basic qualifications exclude most women.

by Anonymousreply 77May 15, 2020 2:24 PM

[quote]Why would anybody adopt from the Ukraine when alcoholism is such a terrible problem there. You are really playing Russian roulette.

There are NO healthy children in Eastern European / Russian orphanages. They all have problems.

Russia women abort the most babies per capita in the world so it's only really the very undesirable dregs who end up in orphanages, usually because they were hoping to get a child payment from the state then had to give up after a few years because they were unable to raise the child.

There was an expose about orphanages in Belarus last year. All the children in them have something wrong with them. FAS being most common.

Of course adoption by gay men is illegal there. In Eastern Europe women are even more homophobic than men and they really don't like gay men adopting.

by Anonymousreply 78May 15, 2020 2:28 PM

Where does it say the white American surrogate didn't carry an Asian baby? It says the baby is not biologically hers. Perhaps one or both contributors were Asian.

by Anonymousreply 79May 15, 2020 2:35 PM

R79. As discussed above, the surrogate does not contribute the egg. This is standard in the US, as it prevents the surrogate from laying claim to the child.

by Anonymousreply 80May 15, 2020 2:39 PM

So the twats above who assume its a white baby. Why? she could carry any ethnicity.

by Anonymousreply 81May 15, 2020 2:41 PM

I thought that kid in the thumbnail was Brad and Angie’s tranny child.

by Anonymousreply 82May 15, 2020 2:46 PM

“It’s unprecedented for a surrogate to be looking after the baby,” says Rich Geisler, a Californian surrogacy lawyer. “We as an industry really try to avoid that. We want to avoid the possibility of the surrogate bonding with the child.”

“We as an industry:..

They call us sick.

by Anonymousreply 83May 15, 2020 2:48 PM

Those hotel babies are going to be fucked up, same as in a Romanian orphanage. Babies need close physical contact, they're all in little plastic boxes. One adult to two babies is the acceptable child care ratio.

by Anonymousreply 84May 15, 2020 2:51 PM

Those babies should be hugged by people who aren't their surrogates.

by Anonymousreply 85May 15, 2020 2:53 PM

R82 That kid is gonna grow up so messed up. She is the spitting image of Angelina and I remember someone here speculated the reason she was dressed like that was to prevent her from diverting attention away from Mommy. Angelina is a narcissistic weirdo, so I believe it.

by Anonymousreply 86May 15, 2020 2:54 PM

Yep. Women are some next level narcissists. It's a uniquely female response and very sad.

by Anonymousreply 87May 15, 2020 2:56 PM

I find it disgusting that in R83's quote from the original link, that man calls surrogacy an "Industry," and in R67's link, the article title calls it the "Surrogacy Trade."

That should tell you all you need to know about what's going on here, and why the practice should be ended.

It's fucking sick.

by Anonymousreply 88May 15, 2020 3:03 PM

And adoption and IVF and quack fertility and religion aren't sick industries?

Oh, wait. That doesn't give you a chance to hate on gay men.

by Anonymousreply 89May 15, 2020 3:08 PM

What in the hell are you rambling on about, R89?

Your rant makes no sense.

by Anonymousreply 90May 15, 2020 3:14 PM

[quote] What in the hell are you rambling on about, [R89]?

Just ignore him. That's what everyone else does.

by Anonymousreply 91May 15, 2020 4:26 PM

Most anti-surrogacy posters on DL are really just homophobes.

When you scratch beneath the surface and ask if they actually support gay men adopting children they admit they don't.

by Anonymousreply 92May 15, 2020 4:31 PM

R90 Don't pay attention to him/her, he/she is a psycho with mommy issues.

[quote]Yep. Women are some next level narcissists. It's a uniquely female response and very sad.

by Anonymousreply 93May 15, 2020 5:51 PM

Why, yes, only fish are sufficiently vain to trans their pretty daughters out of fear.

No man is so worried his sons will be better looking than him that he transitions them.

by Anonymousreply 94May 15, 2020 5:55 PM

More from R89

[quote]Ciswomen make me laugh.

[quote]Are we sure Cindy Crawford is cis? I'm not...

[quote]She* looks better than most ciswomen her age. (*Bruce Jenner)

by Anonymousreply 95May 15, 2020 5:56 PM

this has Lifetime mini-series written all over it.

"COVID-19 Conflict: I Am Going To KEEP My Surrogate Baby!"

by Anonymousreply 96May 15, 2020 5:57 PM

What a mess.

Yet ANOTHER thing that was an unforeseen problem due to a pandemic.

Chapter 117, Pandemic Planning Guide - “International Surrogate Babies“

by Anonymousreply 97May 15, 2020 5:57 PM

Mother, May I Baste with Covid?

by Anonymousreply 98May 15, 2020 5:59 PM

Gay men can't adopt in Ukraine sadly.

by Anonymousreply 99May 15, 2020 6:00 PM

Someone who uses goes to insane lengths to have their own biological child, because no other will do, has no business calling anyone else narcissistic.

by Anonymousreply 100May 15, 2020 9:30 PM

Why are we attacking gay people for using our only option for children?

The bigots are over taking this forum.

by Anonymousreply 101May 15, 2020 9:40 PM

[quote] Why are we attacking gay people for using our only option for children?

[quote] The bigots are over taking this forum.

You are so fucking full of shit, you whiny asshole.

Adoption is a completely viable alternative!!!!

There are so many kids in foster homes and orphanages, waiting to be adopted.

But it's just as R100 mentioned. These people are too damned selfish and narcissistic.

by Anonymousreply 102May 15, 2020 10:01 PM

[quote] Why don't you go bitch at men and women in fertility clinics. There are far more of them contributing to the problem.

I feel the same way about them. And those assholes are usually prolife. Here's a little FYI for them, God didn't want them to have children

by Anonymousreply 103May 15, 2020 10:02 PM

Incorrect, fish. Adoption for gay men is illegal in Ukraine. But surrogacy is less regulated. Gay men who turn to surrogacy often only do so because adoption is so difficult for them.

But here’s the important bit: most people who don’t like gay men using surrogates don’t like gay men adopting.

And they need to be knifed in the cunt.

by Anonymousreply 104May 15, 2020 10:04 PM

In the US:

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by Anonymousreply 105May 15, 2020 10:07 PM

R102

Gay adoption is banned, or not recognized, in many places.

You're the selfish asshole having a fit over gay people wanting to start a family.

by Anonymousreply 106May 15, 2020 10:08 PM

It’s actual narcissism to believe women have a right to churn out children unfettered, then when they’re too much trouble (that’s why they’re left to be adopted), that the burden should fall on gay men to look after them.

Here’s an idea: sterilise all women until orphanages are empty.

by Anonymousreply 107May 15, 2020 10:13 PM

Dear R104, you sound like you'd make an excellent parent.

I especially admire your disciplining skills.

You sound like a real gem.

by Anonymousreply 108May 15, 2020 10:14 PM

I'm more interested in the photos of Katie Faust's husband.

by Anonymousreply 109May 15, 2020 10:16 PM

You sound like you’d make an awful female-parent, R108.

Since you refuse to listen to gay men explain why they often have no choice but to use surrogates.

by Anonymousreply 110May 15, 2020 10:20 PM

Given that it’s illegal for gay men to adopt in most of the world and there are still children needing homes, we really have to talk about why women refuse to adopt when they can.

It’s because they’re usually unbelievable narcissists.

by Anonymousreply 111May 15, 2020 10:27 PM

R108 Just block. That psycho is obsessed with mocking and threatening """"ciswomen"""" (aka the only women that exist) and screeching about how dykes are destroying the world. He went as far as to blame lesbians for that tranny who was outing gay men in Morocco and driving them to suicide.

by Anonymousreply 112May 15, 2020 10:53 PM

Can a gay man adopt in the US, if he's single?

by Anonymousreply 113May 16, 2020 12:46 PM

Adopt a baby from the Ukraine and consider it a real possibility that you will make up in the middle of the night with your entire house engulfed in flames. Baby's produced for vodka consumption are not necessarily going to respond to love. No matter what you think. Hope all you want. When they destroy your life get back to us.

by Anonymousreply 114May 16, 2020 12:52 PM

babies

by Anonymousreply 115May 16, 2020 12:52 PM

[quote]Can a gay man adopt in the US, if he's single?

It's possible, but difficult and little cheaper than having a surrogate.

In many states there are only Christian adoption agencies. And they're not keen on gay men adopting, married or single.

by Anonymousreply 116May 16, 2020 12:56 PM

Meanwhile in the surrogacy capital of world; Ukraine, it is same. Hundreds of infants born to parents who cannot travel to collect.

Ukraine is first choice for white/Europeans from USA, Europe and elsewhere for surrogacy for a host of reasons. One is quickly apparent to anyone who has watched porn made in Eastern Europe; a nation full of often very attractive pure white young men and women, but who are also desperately poor.

Ukraine once allowed gays, lesbians, and single women or men access to surrogacy, but they've since put an end to that; hence gay men end up in USA as it really is only game in town left for surrogacy open to homosexuals, singles, etc...

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by Anonymousreply 117May 17, 2020 3:58 PM

[quote] gay men end up in USA as it really is only game in town left for surrogacy open to homosexuals, singles, etc...

What about the UK, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand?

by Anonymousreply 118May 17, 2020 7:09 PM

No where else in world (IIRC) has the basic baby to order on demand surrogacy you can find in USA.

Canada does allow surrogacy but it is complicated.

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by Anonymousreply 119May 17, 2020 7:28 PM

New Zealand does not have laws allowing surrogacy per se, but things are rather complicated as well.

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by Anonymousreply 120May 17, 2020 7:33 PM

Yes, surrogacy is illegal because rad fems have succeeded in associating with gay men.

Cunts.

by Anonymousreply 121May 17, 2020 7:33 PM

Australia...

You can find all information about various countries and surrogacy in link above.

Basically no other nation offers the sort of commercial baby making on demand to anyone besides USA. Much of this is because our USC makes states sovergin in these matters and thus their are 50 individual ways of dealing with surrogacy, rather than one state (federal) policy. Matter is treated pretty much as contract law. A private legal agreement is entered into for production of a product (infant).

by Anonymousreply 122May 17, 2020 7:36 PM

Gays *were* going to Thailand for cheaper surrogacy, but that got shut down.

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by Anonymousreply 123May 17, 2020 7:40 PM

More:

In short for many Asian countries surrogacy is like a game of Whack-A-Mole... Soon as one country shuts things down in whole or part, a neighboring nations picks up some or all of the slack.

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by Anonymousreply 124May 17, 2020 7:41 PM

I had a friend once who traveled twice to China to adopt infant girls. Why he couldn't adopt black or hispanic children here I don't know. Maybe he felt female infants in China were more likely to be killed.

by Anonymousreply 125May 19, 2020 9:50 PM

I'm sorry but before I even saw the picture in OP's post I knew the surrogate would be a pretty blonde woman. And by golly, I was right! Surely there's no racist motivations here...

by Anonymousreply 126May 19, 2020 10:06 PM

[quote] I had a friend once who traveled twice to China to adopt infant girls. Why he couldn't adopt black or hispanic children here I don't know

What does that mean? If someone wants an Asian baby why not a black or hispanic baby? All non-white babies are interchangeable?

by Anonymousreply 127May 19, 2020 11:28 PM
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