Black delivery driver blocked into Oklahoma neighborhood by HOA president

Fucking hell. We just need to separate the country. Let the south and midwest continue to be the white trash trailer parks they desperately want to be.

Not that it matters much, but where in Oklahoma was this?

R2 Ashford Hills neighborhood in Northeast Oklahoma City

Thanks, R3.

Oh how glorious would it have been if that driver ran that fuck nut over . I blame Trump for this bullshit ,he gave idiots permission to act like this.

It WAS funny when he called the two hysterical racists Cagney and Lacey. But otherwise, what complete bullshit.

Unfortunately, if this is a gated community with a private pass code, the driver is in the wrong, and certainly should not have made the situation worse by resorting to name calling, even if an attempt a humor. However, the homeowner is the one who is really at fault. The president of the HOA should have been aware that a delivery was being made, by whom, and when. The homeowner should have also made the driver aware of the community rules. Generally, delivery people are given a temporary pass code so the main pass code is still private.

And just as an FYI, from my experience with gated communities, the driver's race is irrelevant. They will stop anyone that is unknown. Gated communities are absolute hell. It takes a very special kind of crazy to live in one.

If anyone care to read them, I have linked to the HOA bylaws and property restrictions.

R7 how was he wrong for MAKING A DELIVERY???

R8, he was wrong for not explaining the reason for his being there in detail. It isn't public property. Essentially, it is the same as someone being in an condo building with a security code. The driver's excuses are actually pretty lame. There is no reason for him to not give the homeowner's name. If the driver had simply answered the questions, the incident would have been over in two minutes.

R9 Im whiter than white and even I would have told those cocksuckers to fuck off. They have no legal right to block a public road. Had I been the delivery driver Id have called the cops immediately,then sued those pricks into oblivion.

R9 sweetie, he owes no one an explanation.

His truck says it all.

Fuck out of here with that white shit.

[quote]The president of the HOA should have been aware that a delivery was being made, by whom, and when

Are you C R A Z Y?

Who is going to do that?

I was waiting for him to just drive on the grass and go around the car.

We need to do a go fundme and get enough money to buy a house on that street and move some friends in there! Mix it up a little bit. The driver should sue that asshole for civil tort of false imprisonment.

R13, he was actually smart not to do that. He would have wrecked the grass, and got himself (and his company) in trouble.

HOA assholes.

The president of the association acted like a Nazi. He can certainly ask questions under freedom of speech, but he has no right to demand anything based on his position as president of the HOA. He definitely has no right to block in the driver for an hour. He overstepped, period. Imagine how badly this could have been had the HOA president been carrying a weapon.

I hope he steps down from the HOA given the fallout of this racist incident.

Racist bullshit compounded by the delivery guy deciding to play a game rather than do what any rational person would have done and answer the stupid question. If he didn’t feel like doing that, he should have contacted the customer and asked them to come out and verify the delivery.

[quote] They have no legal right to block a public road.

I believe that, technically, it's not a public road -- it's a gated community owned by the association, so they are within their rights to stop and question "trespassers," regardless of whether they're black, white, blue or green.

That said, both people here were in the wrong -- the HOA dude acting like a dictator, the driver being evasive and confrontational.

"Freedom!" except for minorities, of course.

People on HOAs are almost always busybody assholes.

That poor man. And this shit has been happening for years and years, and until personal cameras and social media, white people didn't hear about it. And black people didn't have a voice against it.

Racism thrives in modern America.

[quote] they are within their rights to stop and question "trespassers,"

No one has a RIGHT to stop someone else merely because they happen to be in an HOA. Their right - which is Constitution-based - is to ask questions, but not to DETAIN.

R7: There's nothing in the bylaws and property restrictions that address the process required for deliveries. If there were specific requirements, they'd normally appear in a rules and regs doc. So, I call bullshit on your "experience".

[quote] Racist bullshit compounded by the delivery guy deciding to play a game rather than do what any rational person would have done and answer the stupid question.

So if the roles had been reversed and the black delivery guy had blocked the HOA President, should the HOA President have had to answer lots of questions before being let go?

By the way, the delivery man was doing nothing wrong based on state laws or HOA bylaws, so his being stopped was clearly harassment. If he had been driving the wrong way down a one-way road, parked "illegally", driving on sidewalks, etc., then perhaps being approached by an HOA member would be warranted simply so corrective action could be recommended. Detaining for an hour though is still off-limits. I say this as a 10-year HOA Board member.

[quote] The president of the HOA should have been aware that a delivery was being made, by whom, and when

[quote]Are you C R A Z Y? Who is going to do that?

If your HOA’s CC&Rs require it, which many do, you had better do it or you’ll find yourself with a (ridiculously high) fine.

I can tell a lot here don’t live in HOAs. They’re their own little fiefdom and can make any rules they want.

I live in a condo and you have to notify the board in advance if, say, you’re replacing your front storm door. You have to tell them who is doing it (i.e., Home Depot,) and that person has to submit their insurance information so the HOA can make sure if something goes wrong, they won’t be held liable.

However, the driver wouldn’t have known that and I can see his point about not revealing his customer’s information, especially if he doesn’t really know who this guy is. And the little nazi HOA President should’ve called the police and given a description of the driver and truck and a number plate if he was worried something was amiss. You don’t confront someone. Not only is that not your job, it’s not safe.

[quote] No one has a RIGHT to stop someone else merely because they happen to be in an HOA. Their right - which is Constitution-based - is to ask questions, but not to DETAIN.

They do have a right to detain, just like you do. It’s no different than if someone had trespassed on your property and you hold them for the police and make a civilian (citizen’s) arrest.

If you commit a crime, you can be detained by almost anyone. How do you think stores’ Loss Prevention stop people and detain them?

To be perfectly clear, I’m not saying anyone other than possibly the HOA guy committed a crime in this instance. But he did have a right to a REASONABLE detention. The courts have ruled a reasonable detention is defined as calling and awaiting the police. Not a fucking hour.

Did I say that R25?

I clearly said it was racist bullshit. BUT when you’re dealing with racist nuts, it’s wise to keep your wits. He knows these jackasses are racist, but he also knows this ordeal will be over in two minutes if he contacts the customer and tells him what is going on. If I’m that customer I raise holy hell, and the delivery man is on his way.

[quote]Unfortunately, if this is a gated community with a private pass code, the driver is in the wrong, and certainly should not have made the situation worse by resorting to name calling, even if an attempt a humor

Agreed, the WORST part of this whole scenario is the bad language used by the black man physically trapped by some OKKKlahomans.

"HOA president" seems to be an ideal role for a lot of DLers.

Not only do they get the 'perks' of micromanaging neighbors through their position of power and authority, but they can also flirt with and present hole to HAWT and unwilling delivery drivers!

Hmmmm, r31, I never thought of it that way.

I wonder when my HOA is having elections again.

I might run. Well, not run exactly, my caftan chafes, but throw my pillbox in the ring.

David Stewart of Oklahoma represents the Suburban Homeowner from Hell. The kind of guy who’d move into a house near the railroad tracks and then demand the government reroute the trains away from his property. He probably uses the term “quality of life” a lot when petitioning against anything he perceives as a threat to his idyllic existence. He likely complains about “illegals,” then turns around and hires teams of landscapers at slave wages to maintain his pristine lawn. And he’ll get really pissed at any neighbor who dares complain about the constant blare of leaf blowers.

In other words, a racist, selfish POS with a god complex. I’m glad they named and shamed him.

There is a lot of misinformation here.

First, R24, I did interior design for nearly 25 years. I have a lot of experience with deliveries in gated communities. I assure you, this would have happened regardless of the driver's race.

Second. IT IS NOT A PUBLIC ROAD. is that clear enough for you? It is the legal equivalent of your driveway, at least in the states in which I worked.

Third, your Constitutional rights do not always apply or can be limited on private property. Yes, you can be detained on private property. The law probably is different in different states, but I believe it is usually 3-4 hours.

Fourth, unless the driver started yesterday, he would know about gated communities and so would his employer. There a 21 gated communities in Edmond, OK It really isn't plausible the a professional driver would not know the rules.

Fifth, the point of a gated community is security. Complaining about reasonable security questions on a security oriented, private property is not logical.

Sixth, yes, the HOA does have a right to ask a vendor who the homeowner is. If you are driving a commercial vehicle, the security, in this case the HOA, have a right to know who the homeowner is and the vendor is obligated to tell them. Note, I believe the rules are different for private cars. There is no expectation of privacy between the driver and the homeowner.

GET OFF R7’s LAWN!

Oh FFS- Are you gonna tell me that HOA President pulls that interrogation shit every time some 21- yr old pizza delivery guy comes through, or probably the HUNDREDS of Amazon packages that are delivered every week in an affluent neighborhood like that? Hell no. Who the F- ck has time to scrutinize all the comings and goings of every single delivery driver? NO ONE. It absolutely was a case of racial profiling. Did the driver make it needlessly difficult for himself by playing coy? Sure. But that's not the F' ckin point- that delivery driver is under no obligation to reveal the privacy of his customer- especially to a racist jackass who"s acting like a member of the S.S.

R34 is one of our resident racists

R35, actually, the old guy may be a cranky, old, miserable git, but legally he is right. And if the kids got hurt, he would be legally responsible. So, as amusing as the "get of my lawn" bit might be, in the real world, it is pretty sound.

"We need to do a gofundme and get enough money to buy a house on that street and move some friends in there! Mix it up a little bit. The driver should sue that asshole for civil tort of false imprisonment".

R14 - Are you thinking queens in leather and jockstraps type party?

was he surly from a binge on pot?

The only person that can stop a motor vehicle is someone working for the law. A security guard is not state law.

Actually, R37, I rarely ever post in racial threads. I am not being racist. I am trying to interject a bit of reality. Poster whining that its a public road, when it legally isn't a public road do not help the argument.

This is a bit like getting upset because a black student was expelled from school for bringing a ham sandwich and ignoring the fact that the school was a strictly Kosher Yeshiva. One might think it is ridiculous, overkill, or even racist, but a Yeshiva exists within certain boundaries. Being shocked that they actually enforce those boundaries is naive.

It is the same with a gated community. Their entire point is security; so, being shocked that they actually enforce security is a bit naive.

R42 issue is that you CAN NOT stop a vehicle unless state law.

R36 nailed it

“Private roads” are complete and utter bullshit. About 20 years ago, some developer with bribe money plowed a small private road through our neighborhood littered with what can only be described as a bunch of ugly mini McMansions. The put “NO TRESPASSING—PRIVATE ROAD” signs all over the place. They don’t want garbage trucks on “their” road, so they line their overflowing trash cans on the public road at the end of their little street.

One night, one of the residents held a huge house party with music that could be heard several (public!) streets away until around 2 am. My neighbor and I usually leave for work around the same time in the morning (7am), and we decided to pay the private road party house a visit. We drove in front of their house and honked our horns as loudly as possible for a full minute. Then sped off down their little private lane.

Exactly R36. I’m sure HOA President David Stewart rolls out the welcome mat when his shit is being delivered.

R43, you are wrong, and actually the reverse is true. A police officer cannot perform a traffic stop on public property unless the officer can prove that road is open to the public. Since the road is gated and pass code protected, it is clearly not open to the public. There would need to be a specific agreement with the community and the police allowing them jurisdiction. This is probably why the police did not come.

Correction: A police officer cannot perform a traffic stop on *private* property unless the officer can prove that road is open to the public.

But how big was his cock!?

A friend of mine, white, regularly jogged through his nice neighborhood. One morning a white guy in a truck drove up along side and accused him of running through a yard, of being a thief, and demanded to know his name. My friend, a successful professional, was shocked, and in his shock, gave his name and the street where he lived. Another runner came by who he saw often and she told the asshole the same thing. The driver kept on with his threats but finally gave up and drove off.

My friend was thoroughly shaken, in part because who knows if the guy had a gun or not, but also to be taken as a criminal and accused of something he did not do. Can you imagine being black and this happens to you frequently? We know that many black people going about their lawful business have been killed simply for living while black.

Whether the HOA fool is racist or not, the driver was leaving the property, to stop and question him like he's in the middle of a heist is fraught with danger. If he was that suspicious he could have taken down the licence, taken a photo of the truck, and contacted police and sent an email to the HOA asking who had a delivery. Fuck him and all stupid paranoid suspicious racists like him.

You can't just get rid of the middle of the USA. We need the farmers and farmland.

I would have said the driver should have called the police but since it is Oklahoma it would have just been three against one then, instead of two against one.

Good God, some of you act like the same thing doesn't happen in Beverly HIlls and other high end areas of LA all the time. Just let a black man drive down a street in a gated neighborhood in Beverly Hills and the 911 calls go crazy.

Not trying to victim blame and I’ll probably get FFd but why not tell him you delivered something and you’re leaving? Either that or drive around his car, there was room.

I know it wasn’t that guy’s business and the Driver said he wanted to protect his customer’s privacy, but i look at it like this: what is your goal and what is the most efficient way to reach that goal. Me: just delivered a fridge to Karen McBecky in unit #xyz. It is none of your business of course but since you are a racist dick and I just want to gtfoh, there it is.

Better than sitting there for an hour and also risking anything crazy when and if the cops get there.

God these white devils think they’re god and don’t know how to leave people the fuck alone.

I'm sure glad R7/R34 is a decorator and not an attorney (or worse, one of Trump's "judges") because R7/R34 knows little of the law.

R36, we’re adults here. You can say fuck.

[quote] Are you thinking queens in leather and jockstraps type party?

Oooh, I’m sorry, r39, I cant wear leather. My nipples are too sensitive.

You’ll have to count me out.

[quote] issue is that you CAN NOT stop a vehicle unless state law.

This is simply untrue. You cannot put lights in your car and do a traffic stop, but if someone parked their vehicle in, say, your driveway, you have every right to block them to prevent them from leaving.

R59 it’s literally a law.

R9 I guess he is wrong for being black and in a bigoted white neighborhood.

So how are all of the other deliveries made if you must have the code? If Amazon and Fedex and UPS have the code then what good is the code?

What is, r60?

It's all about the bylaws. If you give up your rights to the HOA they can do just about anything. Private Property with roads is not the same thing as some condo board. The sad thing is there are people in those places that keep track of everything. They know the pizza delivery guys and which ones sell weed. They recognize the cars of the housekeeper and maids. I assume lawyers in the neighborhood wrote the rules and buy the weed. Add a pandemic and VIOLA!

TRUMP AND THE REPUGS NEED TO BE ASSASSINATED BE IT BY GUNS OR BOMBS.

[quote][R8], he was wrong for not explaining the reason for his being there in detail. It isn't public property. Essentially, it is the same as someone being in an condo building with a security code. The driver's excuses are actually pretty lame. There is no reason for him to not give the homeowner's name. If the driver had simply answered the questions, the incident would have been over in two minutes.

I'm not saying you're wrong. But in a lot of these cases, there seems to always be the "but why didn't they..." or "there has to be more to this..." Maybe we just need to go back to days when black people had to carry authorization papers around to move freely about the country. That seems to be the only way that some of you will be satisfied.

White people, and I mean this with all the love in the universe... the world is already hard enough, why must you insist on making it harder.

Imagine living in these "communities" and trying to invite a hookup off Grindr round

I doubt the HOA covers “false imprisonment,” even in Oklahomo. Little Cesar prevented the driver, blocked him, from leaving. Far beyond any questioning. I would bet that this behavior meets the legal standard in Oklahomo. If I were the driver, I’d contact the OKCPD about a criminal complaint and an attorney about a civil lawsuit against the HOA and Miss Stewart. Jaysus.

You can not hold someone against their will.

That’s not true, r69. It’s just not. That’s how security guards and loss prevention agents can hold people.

Let’s use an extreme: someone breaks into your house. You’re much bigger than they are, much to their chagrin. You hold them for the police. Do you think the police are going to arrest you for holding them? Of course not. There are circumstances when a civilian can detain a person.

[quote]if this is a gated community with a private pass code, the driver is in the wrong

Nope. A gated community can make any widdle rules it wants to, but the law of the land remains the law even within their gates. They did not have legal right to hold this man against his will.

[quote]And just as an FYI, from my experience with gated communities, the driver's race is irrelevant.

Riiight, we're all gonna just pretend like we don't know what the point of gated communities are.

He was in a delivery truck, correct? These geniuses couldn't figure out what a delivery truck was doing in the neighborhood?

Oh, they didn't give a fuck about the truck... they were concerned about the driver, R72.

Crime is very serious problem. This was nipped in the bud. You can never let your guard down. And if they had shot him, they would have the ones in trouble. No good deed goes unpunished.

Ok, whitey.

R66 why bring up race? Criminal is criminal.

I say again, Ok, whitey.

[quote]why not tell him you delivered something and you’re leaving?

He was in a delivery truck and he DID tell him he was leaving.

You've got this victim complex of "oh, I'll probably be FFed for being racist" but the real truth is you should be FFed for not reading the article or the thread. Not even skimming it.

Oklahoma doesn't require drivers to show identification to police officers, so Mr. I'm An Interior Decorator, don't try to tell us that everyday citizens have the right to demand identification from drivers.

[quote]However, if a police officer asks for your ID, do you have to show it?

[quote]Oklahoma has no law that requires citizens to show police their ID if they're not behind the wheel.

Can't link to the article, sorry, DL won't allow it.

It also appears that the only way someone can legally detain someone else in Oklahoma is if they make a citizen's arrest, but you have to turn them over to the police. This HOA guy didn't make a citizen's arrest and never attempted to turn the delivery driver over to police.

Just a few months ago a couple in Oklahoma made national news because they attempted a citizen's arrest but got the wrong person, and they themselves were arrested.

If Mr. Interior Decorator Who Totally Knows The Law And Stuff has links or references that say there is a law in Oklahoma that makes it legal to detain this driver because it was public property, and not just his own "common sense" blather, please share. Otherwise, do shut the fuck up.

Typical Republican!

That interior designer is the same racist that is always all over these crime threads throwing out black crime statistics as a defense to murdering them etc. his race changes all the time as does his age, location, and career.

I don’t know why anyone listens or believes a word he says. Look through his history.

He also has more than one account and upvotes himself a few times.

No, someone can not legally detain someone, especially without turning them over to the Police. They could hold him there and wait for the Police to arrive, that is the only way it is legal.

And no, being Private Property does not mean “they can make up their own laws”. Not how it works.

[quote] I'm sure glad [R7]/[R34] is a decorator and not an attorney (or worse, one of Trump's "judges") because [R7]/[R34] knows little of the law.

Why anyone would take a Datalounger identifying himself as a “decorator” lecturing on legal matters (laws vary significantly from state to state) seriously; I’m really not sure.

R82, that is sooooo wrong. I actually rarely post and when I do, it tends to be "plot holes you can drive a truck through." and summer stock threads. I don't even get involved in the colorblind casting threads. You clearly are either stirring the pot or think I am someone else.

What kind of high-priced gated community doesn't have a security patrol to do this sort of thing? I know someone who lives in a gated community; they have onsite security, and residents simply inform the guard stations that they're expecting visitors, delivery, etc.

I don't understand why Mr. Miller refused to answer a reasonable question. I'm am a white eldergay. I have been stopped and questioned when I have entered a private, gated community. I didn't feel it was an outlandish or unreasonable request.

R84 you’re lying. Again.

R7/R34 — Thank you for providing with laughs.

I would have said fuck it and drive around him on the lawn

[quote] I don't understand why Mr. Miller refused to answer a reasonable question. I'm am a white eldergay. I have been stopped and questioned when I have entered a private, gated community. I didn't feel it was an outlandish or unreasonable request.

You too wear a uniform and drive a delivery truck.

I’m glad he didn’t, r89, because as someone upthread said, they’d say he damaged the lawn and they want him arrested.

Just because the driver was offended doesn’t mean he was right.

Who cares if he is black. You are encouraging rioting with your reverse racism.

R93 GO AWAY.

[quote] Just because the driver was offended doesn’t mean he was right.

Yes everyone knows that black people don’t deserve to be treated with dignity and respect, certainly not black delivery men. That’s strictly for whites.

If they are home with nothing to do, and so paranoid- why didn't they see when the truck entered to make the delivery?

Did Mr. HOA stop to wonder how he might have gotten past the gate and into the neighborhood if he hadn't been given access by someone? I've gone into a lot of gated neighborhoods. There are two kinds: a gate with a security guard on duty, and a gate with a keypad/call box on which you contact the resident or enter a code for access. If it was the first kind, Mr HOA should have known that the security guard granted entry to the delivery driver. If it was the second, then either the resident gave access via the call box or gave the driver a code for entry. Either way, it should have been obvious to Mr HOA that the driver was legitimately inside the gate.

R97, you are missing the point. It takes a two seconds Google search to learn that the gated community uses a pass code. It is even mentioned in the article, if you bothered to read.

Second, it is clear from the article that the issue is that the homeowner did not inform the HOA of the delivery. It is nearly always the case that the homeowner is required to schedule all deliveries with the HOA. The issue here, does not seem to be the driver. The issue was that the HOA President wanted the name of the homeowner so he could fine him/her. He asked several times "who gave you the pass code". It seems to be the case that the homeowner gave the delivery* company his/her private code. This is a huge breach of security. The codes are used to track who comes and goes. If a random person has a private code, then he/she could enter and leave the community at will and the security would think it was an actual resident. Regardless of whether one approves of gated communities or not, one has to accept that their purpose is security. Protecting that security is paramount.

*Frequent deliveries such as USPS, UPS, FedEx, have their own pass code. If that code was used improperly, the companies would be in a lot of trouble.

[quote] Regardless of whether one approves of gated communities or not, one has to accept that their purpose is security. Protecting that security is paramount.

The purpose is to give paranoid fools a false sense of security from imagined threats. Threats to the residents that don’t necessarily exist. Feeding the residents egos and neurosis is “paramount.”

R98, I'm a real estate photographer. I have been in more gated neighborhoods than I can count over the past 15+ years. I have been given the gate codes for many of them. Sometimes by the homeowner, but more frequently by the agent (my customer). Or I contact the homeowner on the call box to let them know I'm at the gate. I roll up to the gate, enter the code or call the homeowner, then drive in when it opens. As far as I know, no one has ever advised the HOA that I'll be entering the neighborhood on some specified day. And as part of my process, I stand in the street or on a sidewalk with my camera on a tripod photographing a house or some neighborhood common area. Not once have I ever been stopped and asked what I'm doing, much less actually physically prevented from leaving the neighborhood. But then again, I'm white.

You’re also not making a deliver, which MAY have violated the rules if they didn’t notify the HOA.

That makes no sense at all. You can't receive a delivery without notice to the HOA, but you can let anyone else through the gate anytime you want. At this point, I think you're either a troll or just full of shit. I'm leaning towards the latter, but that doesn't preclude the former.

R101 THAT MAKES ZERO SENSE

R102, there are numerous people on this board. There isn’t only one person with different opinions.

And it does make sense. Certain HOAs have rules wherein deliveries that require large trucks, such as furniture or appliances, can only be delivered on certain days and/or between certain hours.

A pizza delivery or calling for an Uber or you doing your job wouldn’t be as noticeable or obvious as a delivery truck coming in.

Well, then the HOA guy needs to take it up with his residents and remind them of the rules for deliveries. But what he doesn't need to be doing is holding someone hostage and prevent them from leaving the neighborhood if they haven't done anything to merit detainment. The fault was not with the driver, but the resident.

HOA has no say over when a package can be delivered. Please stop.

They stopped him as he was leaving - not entering. He had the code, was in uniform, entered the gated community, delivered the furniture and was on his way out when they stopped him.

I would say I would have a shred more understanding if they had stopped him on his way in - if their policy says they can control who enters - but to stop someone on their way out? That makes no sense.

[quote] HOA has no say over when a package can be delivered. Please stop.

A package? Ordinarily not. An item requiring a truck delivery? They absolutely do. Obviously you’ve never lived in a gated community.

Exactly, R107.

R108, if the HOA requires residents to give notification of a delivery or schedule deliveries for certain days or times, or if residents are restricted from giving the code to others, then the problem lies with the resident, not the driver. The drive should not be expected to know the rules and workings of any given neighborhood. The fact that he was leaving shows that someone gave him access, which as far as he knew was appropriate. If it wasn't, that's not his fault and he did not violate any HOA rule himself. The two fuckers illegally detained him because they're racist Nazis exercising the power they think they've been given.

I agree, r109, except that they wanted to know who gave him access so they could take it up with the resident.

We’re in agreement that the driver did nothing wrong. And I don’t blame him for not wanting to reveal his customer’s information.

My point was for the real estate photographer who claimed it was because he was white that no one ever stopped him from taking photos.

R110 here...I’ve said upthread at r28 that the only people wrong in this encounter were the HOA idiots.

I am sure they can see in their security system what code he used to enter and would therefore know who gave him access. You can't keep someone from leaving and getting to their next delivery just because you are annoyed that one of your residents didn't follow your HOA rules. At some point, refusing to allow someone to leave because forcible confinement.

It became a pissing contest with one contestant.

The excuses for racism in this thread is sickening

R114 because white gay men are racist. They see no issue with treating minorities like shit, forgetting they’re gay.

And then when a gay person is mistreated they are up in arms.

Hypocrites.

Whatever r7. You're probably right. The fucking HOA asshole acted ridiculously. He is the one who escalated the situation. Blocking the exit with his Goddamn car? Fuck him. He is exactly the wrong kind of person for that position. The truck driver had immense constraint.

Actually r7 r 34, after reading more of your posts, I realize that YOU are probably the kind of asshole who'd react like that.

R7 is making shit up. Why does ANYONE BELIEVE HIM???

Yes, there are rules and you can dissect it for accuracy and what the police can do or not do, and what he should have done or who was a fault. But anyone who thinks this situation wasn't exacerbated by racial division is in denial.

The rules you claim are bullshit. You even went as far as to claim if it’s a closed space that the state laws don’t matter, they can make their own laws.

Please shut the fuck up already.

You know what FUCK YOU R115. I am white, and I'm not racist. Saying that 'white gay men are racist' is every bit as racist as what you are trying to call out.

There goes the white fragility again.

I understand that a bunch of do gooder whites want to virtue signal by making this a race thing. Very patronizing. I don't understand why blacks don't speak up and say this has nothing to do with race. The driver was trying to create scene by not explain ing why he was inside a guarded compound. It makes all blacks seem like the oj jury. Whites voluntarily freed the slaves. Slavery still exists in Africa.

It is a race thing lmaoooo.

The racists are working overtime lately.

I read about this in "The New York Times" this morning. I looked up the video on-line and watched it. It's terrible. It really brought home what black people go through, perhaps on a daily basis. The constant humiliation, suspicion, and aggressions they face on a daily basis must be overwhelming.

David Stewart and the man who joined him need to be charged with unlawful imprisonment. This nonsense about that being a "private road"...gated communities may maintain certain rights as private entities, but that does not absolve them from state and federal law. This man's civil rights and liberties were violated. Some Civil Rights Organization or just a lawyer who wants to do good or just make a buck ought to contact the driver to represent him in a lawsuit against David Stewart and the Homeowners' Association. A lawsuit that could take David Stewart's home away from him would scare the shit out of the racist scumbag.

I poo poo notions of privilege at times. Not here. Just watch this video and see how it operates.

Complex we're in used to be gated but they took it down because it caused too many problems. Now if I could just get Google to properly map the area so I could get grocery deliveries from InstaCart without getting the inevitable phone call and having to direct them in.

There are couple of nearby complexes that have gates and it always screws up traffic.

No, R7, you're wrong. The driver was not in the wrong at all. Why should David Stewart as HOA president be aware of and approve every delivery that comes through those gates? That's ludicrous.

I've lived in gated community. Visitors and deliveries went through a Gatehouse, which was manned 24/7. If you had a delivery or visitor which and who were not on a pre-approved list, the attendant would call you to let said delivery or visitor in. The HOA president was never contacted, unless he himself had a delivery or visitor, I presume.

The delivery truck driver in this video said that he had seen a "young, white lady" driving the vehicle blocking him. I suggest we call her Karen. Presumably Karen is some relation of David Stewart. She probably went home after seeing two black men driving around and told David. David (whose sole purpose now in life now that he retired from his middle-management position is HOA president) went to find out who those black men were, because clearly they do not belong in Ashford Hills. All black men are suspect in David and Karen's world until proven innocent. Oh, and then there's the younger, cool white guy. He came out, because he has nothing better to do than to kiss up to David, the HOA president. I would call him Bubba. Black people don't belong in the world of David and Bubba unless they are pre-approved.

The delivery man did nothing wrong, except drive while black.

I'm no bleeding heart liberal. There was an incident a couple of years ago and a thread on it here about the PhD white woman who called the cops on the black people barbecuing in the park. She was mentally unstable, and that contributed to her behavior more than race. The other incident involved a white woman calling the cops on a black child selling bottled water outside her apartment. The kid was screaming "Water" at the top of his lungs. That's an annoyance not white privilege.

Here, this is a clearcut case of white privilege. You do not have to identify yourself (even to a LEO, unless they are issuing you a summons). A LEO may only hold you if you are suspected in some criminal activity. A person who is not a LEO, even David Stewart, self-proclaimed HOA president of Ashford Hills and owner of 1/18 of that road, has no right to demand the identity or hold another against his will without stating the reason. Even then, it's wrong unless he saw the driver committing a crime.

A gated community works the same as a building in NYC or LA that has a receptionist. If they weren’t told you’re coming to visit ahead, they call upstairs to get approval to let you up.

Whites earned the privilege by obeying the law and being good productive citizens. Blacks, not so much. A privilege is earned.

R129 is Backyard Becky