Was Carol Burnett always this fake and cutesy?

Was she high? That was strange.

Liz Montgomery was beautiful.

Liz Montgomery was very beautiful, indeed.

And that was Carol Burnett's patented shtick. She had a seemingly endless supply of it.

It was a time when goofy gawky girls were a thing. Carol Burnett, early career Goldie and Liza..

OP that's the demeanor of a host in that time.

Neither fake nor cutsey, it is who she is.

It was a period largely before the modern women's movement. In public life, the choices were few.

Women could be sexpots, but Carol was not a sexpot. Women could be mothers, but Carol was not cut out to be Donna Reed. Women could be self-deprecating and powerless idiots. Carol opted for that public persona.

OP, you are not fit to touch the hem of Carol Burnett's garment, which by the way is a spectacular Bob Mackie creation.

Elizabeth Montgomery is so charming in that clip!

As the times changed, so did her look and persona. This clip is from the first or second season of her show. By 1978, she presented herself quite differently.

She was performing solo on a stage. If a person just acts like a normal, everyday person with normal, everyday energy...kerplunk. There goes the show. Would you prefer that she had acted like Kristen Stewart, as if she were bothered to be there?

R10 a touch more confidence but not so different.

R10 is correct. Carol Burnett of the 1970s was quite different from the 1960s Carol.

The facial surgery to make her look less comic, the serious dramatic roles...no longer the goofy self-effacing gamine.

Dig that nightgown she wore onstage.

Carol showed the clip of her very first Q&A on an anniversary show and it was clear she was not happy with her appearance or persona. She often said that when the network offered her a show, they wanted her to a sitcom called "Here's Gladys", which tells you what she was thought of.

Carol was never a sexpot or an ingenue or a type other than a COMEDIAN.

"Carol Burnett of the 1970s was quite different from the 1960s Carol."

I liked 1960s Carol better when they let her be more natural. In the 1970s Carols was deadly thin and wore big inflated wigs. Her awkward goofiness had turned smug. I assume she was more self assured.

This was Carol's first Q&A. Wow, it's so horrible.

[quote]Carol was never a sexpot or an ingenue or a type other than a COMEDIAN.

You're wrong. See her film roles.

She tried her hardest to be more than a comedienne.

However, I also preferred the 1960s Carol.

R16 She's cute. That was her thing. The public liked her and knew her from the Gary Moore Show where she was a sensation.

R17, only with Friendly Fire did Carol try to be something other than a comic. Even in Pete and Tillie, her water fight with Geraldine Page was pure Carol. BTW, the moment where Page gets her wig pulled off became standard Burnett schtick after she saw the reaction.

[quote]only with Friendly Fire did Carol try to be something other than a comic.

What are you talking about?

The Tenth Month, Between Friends, Hostage, The Laundromat, Seasons of the Heart ?

and her displays of dramatic singing.

Love the outfit Liz was rockin'. What movie did they do together?

Who's Been Sleeping in My Bed (1963).

Its like she has a girl crush on Elizabeth or the reaction of an ugly girl to a beautiful one.

I don't agree with OP's burn. Even though I don't really like Carol, either.

Ellen stole Carol's act.

Her dramatic singing was always unintentionally funny, especially when she was reaching for high notes and you were sure she was going to do the Tarzan yell.

"You're wrong. See her film roles. She tried her hardest to be more than a comedienne."

Yeah, and Barbra Streisand tried her hardest to be a rock star.

I'm not wrong, R17. That Carol did a few straight dramatic roles, doesn't mean she wasn't a comedian or wanted to transition to drama exclusively. Her dramatics weren't bad, but they weren't any better than dozens of others could have done. Carol best work - the work that made her - was as a comedian, period. Don't think she didn't know that. And I am someone who actually PAID to see Pete n Tillie in 1972.

R27 Please. You wrote the following:

"Carol was never a sexpot or an ingenue or a type other than a COMEDIAN."

(You even used caps to MAKE YOUR POINT.)

But the truth is, this simply not true. She was cast in numerous dramatic roles (as listed).

Whether she was successful or not in those roles is a matter of opinion.

[quote]That Carol did a few straight dramatic roles, doesn't mean she wasn't a comedian or wanted to transition to drama exclusively.

Please point out here who said she wasn't a comedian or that she wanted to transition to drama exclusively.

R19 - You forgot The Four Seasons though that had some comic moments.

Carol felt she underplayed her part in Pete n Tillie so much that she felt Pete would never have asked her for a second date. She seems like she was always her own worst critic. Very self deprecating.

RIGHT, R28. Burnett was mainly a COMEDIAN who did some acting roles. If she dumped comedy and stayed with acting in the mid-sixties, she would not be famous today for much of anything because her acting was not as remarkable as her COMEDY. There's no need to analyze role after role. For you, maybe, not for me. I suggest you not let yourself get offended by other opinions. The End.

Only on DL could a brawl break out over Carol Burnett.

In this place, a brawl could break out over Ruta Lee.

Any minute now, people are going to start throwing chairs.

For all you bitches looking for reasons to dis sweet Carol, I wish you nothing but gas pains and acne.

Love her as Missa Wiggins with Tim Conway.

"Any minute now, people are going to start throwing chairs."

and "Knocking Down Tables"!

Where is that Pet Shop Boys Troll when you need his ass!?!?

Any dramatic roles that Burnett essayed were after the variety show was cancelled. Except for Friendly Fire, she made very little impression in any of them and even some comedic roles like Annie suggested her style of comedy was now too old fashioned.

I loved the Burnett show as a kid but they have not aged well at all.

R38 - Went With The Wind has!

She played a mix of comedy and drama excellently as Eunice.

I was that cutesy and goofy at that age too. Now I’m an old bitter queen. Life changes some of us.

R39, If I never had to see that skit again, I'd be thankful. The funniest performance is Vicki Lawrence as Sissy. The best thing about the old shows are the Family sketches, which are brilliant. Had it not been for that and Mama's Family, I honestly think the variety show would be totally forgotten by now.

R42 - Sorta like The Smothers Brothers Comedy Hour and Laugh In.

She said in her book she resented having to be googly eyed over LW in the early days and also got tired of the Carol and Sis skits.

Her voice lowered a lot in the second season.

I didn’t know that she ever admitted to plastic surgery between 60s Carol and 70s Carol (has she?) it’s very clear that she had (a tan and Bob Mackie gowns helped too), but I always thought the first surgery she admitted to was her chin job while she was filming Annie (which I loved her in).

She was so good in Annie! The role seemed tailored for her. I wondered why she hasn't done as well in dramatic roles. Maybe she was just made for comedy. It's all she knew. She seemed more closed up in dramas. Boring. But I watched her show every week. I watched it for the Q&A and the Bob Mackie costumes. Edith Head discovered Mackie when he was working at Paramount Studios. He was a nice guy. A nice RICH guy. Carol is still class all the way. And it took John Foster Dulles to do it!

[quote]He was a nice guy.

WAS? He's still alive, so do you mean he's no longer nice?

Mackie comes off as a total diva in the Broadway documentary, Moon over Broadway.

Sorry, but what did she mouth? Something about Ken and Elizabeth. A show they were in on a different network?

I remember Carol in something more serious called Twigs in 1975 which was, I think, a drama/comedy hybrid adapted for television from a Broadway play. I was 9, so I don't remember the plot.

Of all people for OP to attempt a vicious take-down of: Carol fucking Burnett.

"Twigs" (the stage version) was the vehicle that brought DL fave Sada Thompson her fame! Also featured Conrad Bain (who was in the TV version as well) and was directed by Michael Bennett and written by George Furth. It also features some music by Sondheim. Some of the skits were originally written for Furth's (and Sondheim's) "Company."

Burnett did the TV version with Bain, Ed Asner, Gary Burghoff (MASH) and others. Photo: Carol and Liam Dunn in "Twigs."

"Twigs" on Broadway.

"I didn’t know that she ever admitted to plastic surgery between 60s Carol and 70s Carol (has she?) it’s very clear that she had "

Really, what? I only see that she lost the heavy 1960s eye make-up and lost about 20 pounds. Gained a bouffant wig.

Speaking of obscure Carol shows I would like to see The Laundromat in which she starred with Amy Madigan directed by Robert Altman.

I echo everyone else, Liz was gorgeous.

Elizabeth Montgomery was so beautiful, just like her dad.

Sometime around 1972 Carol had surgery on her eyes to remove the upper lid hoods. So from 1972 to 1978 you can see her on her show as the Carol that we all remember coming into her own. I had forgotten how she looked before, and the clip in the OP shows how gawky she had to be, based on her appearance. For the last five or six years of her show, Carol could pull of the leading lady parodies because she looked like a leading lady. These were the episodes that Carol and Joe owned and they went into syndication and got shown on TV for years. Everyone forgot how she looked before that and that's probably how Carol wanted it.

I will always love her.

[quote]Really, what? I only see that she lost the heavy 1960s eye make-up and lost about 20 pounds. Gained a bouffant wig.

Then you have a vision problem.

She had reconstruction surgery on her chin and jaw-line.

The before and after change is startling.

I like the cadence in their accents. I like that 60s tone. No one really pronounced all their words with out vocal fry anymore.

R59 so if she has that done then what did she have done during Annie? And then for years after that? She kept messing with her jaw until it looked really weird.

Also, for those (there was a thread maybe a month ago) who thought actresses in the 90s had the most pressure to stay thin...exhibit A (the 1978 tape) And she was “older,” too and thinner than all of those “scary skinny” people.

I like the look of the audience. People seemed like such sheep then that a celebrity really was a spectacle. Also Carol Burnett was fantastic in her Law and Order episode.

"She had reconstruction surgery on her chin and jaw-line."

R59, that was later and Carol admitted it.

One of Carol Burnett's great unsung movies is Robert Altman's A Wedding (1978). An absolute hoot satire about new money marrying old money, with Dina Merrill, Lillian Gish, Desi Arnaz Jr, Howard Duff, Vittorio Gassman, Pat McCormick, Nina van Pallandt, Geraldine Chaplin, Mia Farrow, Pam Dawber, John Considine, Viveca Lindfors, Dennis Franz, Peggy Ann Garner, Dennis Christopher, Paul Dooley and others....RECOMMENDED!

Someday there will be a tell-all biography that will shock her fans. She was not the goody two-shoes she pretended to be. Kinda like Ellen.

Did she get along with her bonus children?

Yes

Is it true about her and Julie Andrews?

Carol Burnett's voice never bothered me until recently. I was watching / listening to CB narrate something on YouTube. For some reason, her voice sounded way too cheerful and I didn't want to listen any more.

I also loved Liz Montgomery. Not only was she the perfect witch, she had style. Virtually anything she wore on that show in the 60s and 70s could be worn today. She married Daddies. Gig Young was a mistake. In the photo, taken by Dominick Dunne, they were all loaded and Liz (looking fabulous) started flirting with George Hamilton. Hamilton ended up in tears after Young started acting up.

^^ At least Young didn't kill her like he did his next wife.

We all LOVED The Carol Burnett Show every Saturday, but now I look at a lot of the sketches and cringe. They're awful. Carol is a lovely woman I hear, but I can only take her in tiny doses.

^^ Many sketches are not only unfunny but also in questionable taste. Even at the time the show was criticized for being crude at times.

R72 - I cannot see being crude as a problem to anyone who visits the DataLounge.

Mama Cass on the Carol Burnett Show.

Painful.

Let's fix that.

Carol was stupendous. My siblings and I watched her all the time growing up.

R75: that must have been painful for Cass. She hated being called Mama and being Mama.

R58: No wonder Carol always says she hates to see the shows from 1967 to 1972

She made a bundle off those "Lost Episodes".

I got the feeling she hated Kaye Ballard. She allowed her on the show to use it as something of a backers audition for Molly (I think) and she sang a song from the show on it. On the show, there were endless jokes about how fat she was.

I loved Kaye Ballard, but it would not surprise me if she wasn't always fun, breezy company.

I guess she was troubled by her girlfriend's unpronounceable name? "Myvanwy Jenn"!

Sorry, but I love Carol Burnett in movies, all the movies. Funny, dramatic, she steals every scene. She's magnetic. "The Four Seasons" in particular is so, so wonderful. She just had swagger as a movie actress. No trying to be anything sexy or fake, she was real.

I just love her. They broke the mold after her.

Carol did a hilarious strip-tease in her first movie, Guess Who's Sleeping in My Bed (1963) with Elizabeth Montgomery and Dean Martin. It was the highlight of the dreary sex comedy.

^^ The name of the movie is Who's Been Sleeping in My Bed?

R82, thanks for posting that. After watching the OP clip, I could not imagine what movie Liz and Carol could have been in together. Both Carol and Liz look great in the clip you posted. Interesting that this movie was before either one of them were TV stars.

"No wonder Carol always says she hates to see the shows from 1967 to 1972"

Since when did Carol say that? Those shows were not on TV until recently because they were in litigation for decades, not due to any dislike by Carol Burnett.

[quote]Interesting that this movie was before either one of them were TV stars.

By 1963 Carol was already a well known TV star.

R85 I think people are saying it’s not a coincidence that she looked like the original Carol Burnett in those seasons — “60s Carol” Vs “70s Carol.” We only saw the 70s Carol in reruns and I’m sure she wanted it that way.

I like it how people still dressed up to attend the screening of a TV Show. Nowadays, the "Great Unwashed" present their slovenly selves everywhere.

R88, the audiences got progressively worse, but there was still the idea that you would be on TV when she did the Q&A.

Carol B was supposed to play Rose in the revival of Gypsy that won Tyne Daly a Tony. Venture to say she would have been a terrific Rose.

YOU are sure, people are saying...blah blah blah, R87. That sounds like Trump. There's no evidence that Carol disliked those shows. In fact, when they finally reappeared on video, Carol did a promotional push for Time Life (or whatever) that released it. She described how "the best" moments were included and compiled for home video. She's long talked about how the first years were not lost so much as she/we had no access to them. The Carol Burnett Show, from start to finish, is her history - what displayed her talent best, what made a star * and kept her super famous.

* I'm aware of the Garry Moore Show, but she was a supporting player on it.

R90, Carol was offered Tessie in the Bette Midler version but said no. She was trying to do Rose at the LACLO years before the Lansbury version. I love Carol but she's very weak in musical theater. Her performances on the Sylvia Kaye Fine specials were shockingly uninspiring.

Carol Burnett is the best there is, but in her own fairly narrow niche. Sketch comedy. She's just great.

But she's an ungifted actress. She wears the clothes and hits the marks, but she adds nothing much of her own.

R92, it's hard to emote when you have never known the love of a man.

R88 it's like they don't even care. And, their slovenliness and sloppiness looks so practiced. It's like they were built in a lab.

You have to admit that William Asher was one hunk of a man, though.

Boy, this gotta lotta attention.

Good God some of you people must be troglodytes. It's called "ENTERTAINING". Her job on that show was to do exactly that, put on a show. Exaggerate everything to get the audience excited. And her audiences ate it up, both the ones in the studio and the ones watching from their homes.

There's a lot of people to attack and Carol Burnett ain't one of them.

You have to admit that William Asher was one hunk of a man, though?

EWWWWWW

R100, the image speaks for itself.

Hawt

[quote]Good God some of you people must be troglodytes. It's called "ENTERTAINING". Her job on that show was to do exactly that, put on a show. Exaggerate everything to get the audience excited.

Shut up. You're a moron.

R103, you ignorant slut.

Fuck you, op -- Carol Burnett is a national treasure.

Carol Burnett is still ALIVE. Give her credit for that, her peers are mostly dead.

Who could possibly dislike this woman?

She is the complete package.

May 1964, when Fade Out, Fade In opened, it out grossed Buby Strident in Funny Girl, Channing in Hello, Dolly! and Bea Lillie and Tammy Grimes in High Spirits. Carol was America's favorite comedienne then and she still is! The CBS series holds up beautifully!

^^ Burnett was sidelined due to a neck injury sustained in a taxi accident in July 1964. The production temporarily shut down for one week, then reopened with Betty Hutton in the lead. After recuperating, Burnett returned to the show, but left shortly afterwards to participate in The Entertainers, a television variety show that her husband Joe Hamilton was producing. Burnett announced in October 1964 that she was leaving the show to have therapy. When the show's producers threatened a breach-of-contract lawsuit, Burnett returned on Feb. 15, 1965. Finally, the financial losses sustained during Burnett's two absences proved to be insurmountable, and the production closed.

[quote]Carol was America's favorite comedienne then

People think her stardom started with her TV show.

She was hugely popular from her musical "Once Upon A Mattress" on B'Way.

She won an Emmy for the Gary Moore Show.

An Emmy for "Julie and Carol at Carnegie Hall" with Julie Andrews.

An Emmy for "An Evening with Carol Burnett"

And then there was her TV special of "Once Upon A Mattress".

And there was "The Entertainers" with Bob Newhart.

As well as appearances on numerous TV shows.

All before the debut of "The Carol Burnett show".

[quote] Shut up. You're a moron.

Eat shit and die, you pathetic dung ball.

Julie and Carol at Carnegie Hall (1962)

This Special was a huge deal.

"She was hugely popular from her musical "Once Upon A Mattress" on B'Way."

R110, I don't argue with you about Carol's popularity at that time, but it came from TV appearances. Once Upon A Mattress was an off-Broadway show. It was on Broadway for a short time and they issued a original cast LP, but people knew the songs and Carol's performance from TV.

That get-together (Liz Montgomery, Gig Young, George Hamilton, Dominick Dunne) sounds like "Who's Afraid of Virginia Wolf?" with George Hamilton in tears at the end. Why was George in tears?

[quote]I don't argue with you about Carol's popularity at that time, but it came from TV appearances. Once Upon A Mattress was an off-Broadway show.

You are correct that her TV appearances are what made her popular with the general public, but "Once Upon A Mattress " is what really got her talents noticed and on to the Gary Moore Show.

To go from Off-Bway to being a featured player on a big variety show to co-starring with Julie Andrews in a TV Special at Carnegie Hall in the span of less than three years was quite a feat.

She had a recurring role as Buddy Hackett's girlfriend in a short-lived sitcom called Stanley in 1956. That preceded Once Upon a Mattress, which opened in 1959.

She was also doing stand up, but with "Once Upon A Mattress " she was carrying a show, singing and so forth. It's what made her a star.

....

R10- Find out who that good looking red haired hunk is asking Carol Burnett about the Super Bowl.

She was a great friend.

"In 1994, Nabors suffered from a near-fatal case of hepatitis B. According to Nabors, he contracted the disease while traveling in India; he shaved with a straight razor and "whacked [his] face all up." The disease caused liver failure, and Nabors was given a dim prognosis; however, his friend Carol Burnett made an arrangement with the transplant division of University of California, Los Angeles, and secured Nabors a transplant."

*JIM Nabors

R120 I feel like every time I would watch her show in reruns he was the host. Yes she’s a loyal friend.

"According to Nabors, he contracted the disease while traveling in India; he shaved with a straight razor and "whacked [his] face all up."

Yes, I'm SURE that's how you got it, Jim Nabors. Hepatitis B is most commonly spread by exposure to infected body fluids.

She once sued the National Enquirer and won for calling her a drunk.

Carol and Carol in the Twilight Zone.

"Carol Burnett made an arrangement with the transplant division of University of California, Los Angeles, and secured Nabors a transplant."

Do you understand how hard it is to get a transplant of any kind? Does this statement means Carol BOUGHT Nabors a liver, or that she put in a good word when he was on the waiting list?

Admitted alcoholic Larry Hagman had a liver transplant when he was in his 60s. I've always suspected preferential treatment.

Carol Burnett was beautifully sincere. She sometimes tripped over things, but generally her authenticity showed through and everyone who ever worked with her has loved her.

[quote]Is it true about her and Julie Andrews?

In Moon Over Broadway, Carol dresses up in a mannish way to joke with Julie that she is coming to take over in Victor/Victoria. I knew in that moment that there was more something going on between them.

They are chums.

Carol & Whoopi Part 1

Carol & Whoopi Part 2

Druggie Lou Reed got a liver transplant at 70 - and only lived a few months after.

When Carol was starring in Moon Over Buffalo at the Martin Beck Theater, a poster store across the street prominently displayed a large poster of Fade Out, Fade In in its window. She was not liked (nor forgiven) by the Broadway communinity from jumping ship and causing job loss for lots of people associated with that show. Betty Hutton could not replace her!

I saw that clip on one of the MeTV newer half-hour old "Carol Burnett Show" syndicated episodes that are now out featuring those long-unseen earlier seasons' episodes. What's annoying about those newer collections is that almost every one wastes half the 30 minutes focused on those stupid Big & Little Sister skits that Burnett used to do with Vickie Lawrence.

I think about all the (closeted) gay men who were friends of hers and guests on her show multiple times -- Jim Nabors, Roddy McDowall, Rock Hudson -- as well as the gay men who danced on her show as part of the Ernie Flatt dancers. I have never heard Carol talk about the gay following that her show had. Has she ever addressed this in public?

^^ And don't forget, she's married to a gay man.

She's married to a gay man now? ... How do you know this, you had sex with him?

The happy couple, so much in love. He's 23 years younger.

Carol Burnett has been COUPLED with Julie Andrews since the 1970's.

[quote]I have never heard Carol talk about the gay following that her show had. Has she ever addressed this in public?

During her time in Moon Over Buffalo, she had a gay BFF that escorted her everywhere. He can be seen in the documentary and with her at the Tony Awards that year.

[quote]That get-together (Liz Montgomery, Gig Young, George Hamilton, Dominick Dunne) sounds like "Who's Afraid of Virginia Wolf?" with George Hamilton in tears at the end. Why was George in tears?

Liz Montgomery, according to Dominick Dunne started dancing with George Hamilton, and Gig Young, being jealous and drunk, started dancing next to them (see photo) and making fun of Hamilton.

Related.

Elizabeth Montgomery has a very posh accent.

I've been watching Bewitched, and Elizabeth Montgomery was really something. I was completely unaware when I was younger, but she really brought something to that role. Also, never realized how bad Dick Sargent is as Darren. It might've been a smooth transition at the time, but...YIKES. It's like night and day.

[quote]Also, never realized how bad Dick Sargent is as Darren.

There was a definite tone change when they made cast changes.

Dick York was more much "spastic" than Sargent was. And there was no replacing Alice Pearce as Mrs. Kravitz. Sandra Gould was just too low key. The show went from being cartoonish (which worked for the material) to being more realistic.

It's too bad that Elizabeth Montgomery didn't get another series in the 1980s, even if she was on an ensemble show like Designing Women, it would have been nice to see her on a weekly basis.

York and Montgomery had sexual chemistry going on. Also York did a great slow burn which was always funny. Sargent couldn't have sexual chemistry with anyone on screen and has never been funny in anything. He must have been enormously well liked. And thrown a mean fuck with stars like Cary Grant and a number of producers. Otherwise his career is inexplicable.

Isn't this thread supposed to be about CAROL BURNETT???

Relax, R148. We free associate here quite a lot. Some of us are very addled, indeed.

Carol's dramatic acting was excellent. Yes, she was better known as a comedienne. But she was as multitalented as MTM.

(And she sang a damn sight better than Mary did, even if her range was limited.)

I have to think Brian Miller was like Robert Levine for MTM - either solely a social arrangement or someone who helped with the business of being that celebrity, being that famous of a person and all that entails.

I think both were serious about their careers and had already done the relationships/marriage thing.

[quote]I have to think Brian Miller was like Robert Levine for MTM - either solely a social arrangement or someone who helped with the business of being that celebrity

That wasn't the case with Lucy and me. I helped her find healing after the divorce with Desi. Yes, she got tired of that nasty uncut cock and wanted some clean, cut cock for a change.

Carol and Julie were playing a practical joke on Mike Nichols at Johnson's Inaugural Gala. When the elevator door open, he found Carol and Julie in a passionate embrace. But word got around the hotel they were staying at that they were both lesbians, so a rumor started.

"Carol's dramatic acting was excellent. Yes, she was better known as a comedienne. But she was as multitalented as MTM."

I agree that Carol was multitalented. But she was never a romantic actress the way MTM was, Carol could never play sexy with a man convincingly. It wasn't in her. Just an observation, not a criticism.

[quote]She was not liked (nor forgiven) by the Broadway communinity from jumping ship and causing job loss for lots of people associated with that show.

This "Broadway communinity" sounds like some bizarre cult.

[quote] This "Broadway communinity" sounds like some bizarre cult.

Oh, hon. IT IS.

R147. Yeah, they really did. Anyway, I've never seen EM out of character --except in that Lizzie Borden movie--so it's kinda weird seeing her in that clip.

[quote]Carol and Julie were playing a practical joke on Mike Nichols at Johnson's Inaugural Gala. When the elevator door open, he found Carol and Julie in a passionate embrace. But word got around the hotel they were staying at that they were both lesbians, so a rumor started.

Carol told the same thing, except it was Lady Bird Johnson who caught her in the clitch.

[quote]Anyway, I've never seen EM out of character --except in that Lizzie Borden movie--so it's kinda weird seeing her in that clip.

She was out of character in the Lizzie Borden movie?

[quote] She was out of character in the Lizzie Borden movie?

Yes, she actually used an axe to kill her parents rather than just twinkling her nose.

"I agree that Carol was multitalented. But she was never a romantic actress the way MTM was, Carol could never play sexy with a man convincingly. It wasn't in her. Just an observation, not a criticism."

The TV movie Between Friends aka Nobody Make Me Cry has Carol play a sexually aggressive older woman and Elizabeth Taylor play someone who can't get a date!

Carol Burnett’s best was the parody of Dallas. FRESNO!

I enjoyed Fresno, it had a marvelous cast with Carol spoofing Jane Wyman from Falcon Crest (she headed a raisin empire instead of a winery). Dallas and Dynasty were also parodied.

R161, you just don't get it.

I loved Fresno and I watched every single night of the original broadcast. It was single camera show with no laugh track in the mid 1980s, and many people didn't get it; it was a little bit ahead of its time. I thought it was comedy perfection.

Bump.

NO bump

Streisand did not try to be a rock star. She recorded a few rock styled numbers because she liked to try everything. And some of the results are pretty good: Stony End, Prisoner... and disco... and bossa nova... and country... and classical... along with the pop, ballads, American song book, hyms, and her own. In other words: everything.

[quote] Any dramatic roles that Burnett essayed were after the variety show was cancelled.

That was in 1978. Pete 'n' Tillie, from 1972, is a comedy-drama. And she was nominated for an Emmy Award in 1974 for Best Actress in a Drama for 6 Rms Riv Vu on television.

Fake and cutesy is Burnett's stock and trade. And no one did it better.

Sincere and profound are out of her reach, as the whole of her work product attests. She fakes it fairly well, but she is really great with absurdity. Not so great with simple quiet truths.

"Streisand did not try to be a rock star. She recorded a few rock styled numbers because she liked to try everything"

Streisand had to switch to "contemporary" music at the advice of Clive Davis and Columbia Records to maintain visibility in the recording industry. Every adult pop vocalist was advised or forced to at their respective record companies. Tony Bennett left Columbia, Sinatra announced his retirement. Streisand didn't give a shit because she was concentrating on her film career - her number on fantasy was to be a movie star.

Streisand's Butterfly was an obvious attempt at rock and it was one of her worst records.

Oh, R172! I'm going to hit you with a jar of guava jelly.

She evolved with time like most people.