Trump Comes Out Against Another Stimulus Payment in May

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Those are two very unflattering looks

I don't think 2k a month is ever going to happen but maybe they can negotiate and we can get 1k a month and get our Yang bucks

R3 Yang bucks would be nice. Then Yang as Prez in 2024!

I don't think they'd ever commit to a "per month" payment no matter the amount. If we were to get $2000, it would be a one-time payment. And if the pandemic and the economy still gets worse over the summer, then maybe another one-time payment - though I doubt it. It will all be piecemeal.

Republicans are so fucking stupid. What a dilemma: “Should we bribe people to vote for us, or let them starve in the streets? What to do? Guess we’ll go for ‘starve in the streets.’”

They only have money for big corporations because there is ALWAYS money for corporations and the wealthy. Never any money for people, so the rest of us are out of luck.

oh just send the goddamn money, bitch, and shut the fuck up about how you think the economy might magically reconstitute itself. And don't throw in a bunch of Republican shit about how it should only go to people that have corporate jobs and jump through a thousand hoops and live in suburbs and made x number of dollars last year and are white and go to church on sunday. Just skip all that shit and send a goddamn check, you grifter whore. Just pretend we're all Stormy Daniels, pay the goddamn money, and STFU.

Thanks in advance.

I still haven't received my stimulus payment because they have to mail a check to me. Luckily, I don't need it, but I think of the millions of people who do need it and may never receive it.

This may backfire on Trump and Friends.

"... because there is ALWAYS money for corporations and the wealthy"

But the money will trickle down to the taxpayers!

They don't need voters when they have Putin's hackers.

Wouldn't they want to get the money out there to the people so that when the country re-opens people will buy shit. What good is a reopening when no one has any money. They are stupid. If they gave this money in May by June when most states reopen almost completely they could claim more success and a robust economy coming back.

They are cutting off their nose despite their face.

That last 1200 went to bills.

Which means few of those 37 million unemployed people would consider voting for any GOP candidate come November.

As numerous internet memes point out, it is amazing we can find trillions for this, but universal healthcare is just too expensive

r12 the ideology is "poor people don't deserve to live" much less be given money. They're also terrified people in states with very low minimum wages will realize they're being treated like garbage and actually deserve human respect. Any inching towards a social safety net undermines their philosophy and the policies that generate from it.

They better not have the $75,000 income cap on the next stimulus check. I didn't get any money in the last round.

The summer of 2020 is going to be a long, hot one. Are y'all hoarding those empty wine bottles and stocking up on boxes of tampons?

What are we supposed to do with empty wine bottles, Boris?

It's even dumber because even in those states that are supposedly reopening, people aren't going to immediately rush right back in and resume life the way it was a year ago. It's just not going to happen.

The infuriating thing is that this has nothing to do with the very real problems that we are facing and everything to do with the election later this year. This is a calculated move to pretend that everything is fine, that the pandemic just isn't that bad, that the number of deaths are exaggerated, etc.

This is crazy because what if you made 100k last year but this year you made squat? No money for you!

[quote] Republicans are so fucking stupid.

Exactly. It's funny how Republicans always bleat on with their myopic views about the US being the best, richest country in the world -- until it's time for the best, richest country in the world to lend a helping hand to its own citizens.

Miss Lindsey said another stimulus would be done "over my dead body". If it were only so.

US total financial reserves are estimated at 200 TRILLION, and they can't shell out 5 of that to the American people during this time of crisis?

These mutherfuckers need still haven't sent me my 2019 refund yet! Send that with the next stimulus check, ASAP government cunts!

R22, Miss Lindsay on next stimulus payments: “The real stimulus that’s going to change the trajectory that we're on is going to be the economy, not government checks. So I doubt there will be another payment.” 🙄 🙄

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r22, sounds like a dare to me....

Such a ‘man of the people’, this one.

KindeGay @ R18: Research and learn1960s' resistance tactics before casting aspersions. I'm more patriotic (and smarter) than you'll ever be.

stay tuned. if lil dick is against it today, he will be in favor of another stimulus package within the next few days, if not tomorrow.

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Wouldn't they want to get the money out there to the people so that when the country re-opens people will buy shit.

They want to force people back to work: to punish blue states with extended lockdowns & force people in red states back to work now that restrictions have eased - regardless of their working conditions.

I also read an article recently - can't remember where - that they believe now Dump is a lost cause and don't mind handing over a destroyed economy to Biden

Miss Lindsay opposed the first payout, so it should be surprising that she opposes a second one.

The government should give every single person in the country $10,000 every month so that they can live comfortably without worrying about working or cooking or cleaning, because they will be able to hire people to do those menial tasks.

In case you are too stupid to understand the point, the OP is a retard.

The glorious thing is that the Republicans weaken their own hillbilly demographic, so they can't come to the GOP's defense when the rest of the US is finally fed up and drags them out of office.

- Owning the Libs by ignoring all the safety measures preventing the spread of the coronavirus amongst yourselves? Sure, do that, Deplorables.

- Not getting any financial help during the crisis to support yourself and your family? Sure, let's stick it to the undesirable moochers.

- You think you can take stuff from the "dumb" Liberals? Yeah, good luck trying that.

And counting on Putin? Putin has his own corona crisis to deal with. And when you are too busy, missed details can come back to bite you in the ass.

R6 and yet they still win elections, that’s the crazy part.

R4 Yang had Sam Harris on his podcast Monday — it was a great listen! Basically they agreed that the pandemic has just accelerated the need for Yang bucks and all the other overhauls of the system that he has proposed. Yang 2024! (Actually I wish Biden hadn’t committed to a woman so he could take Yang on as VP)

The GOP basically have two skills:

1. Screwing the poor.

2. Never paying any price for #1

They need a severe lesson. 8 years of Obama in the White House wasn't nearly enough. They need to lose the WH AND Congress for 8 years minimum, ideally for 16.

With gas prices so low, why don't they create a 'gas tax' of like 50 cents a gallon? We could pay-off several stimuli with that revenue.

R36, culture wars ensure Republicans continue to win and do 1 and 2.

Irregardless of how it turns out, AOC is going to vote against whatever is decided, or claim its unfair to someone who doesn't deserve it.

Irregardless?

[quote]Irregardless

Boo! Hiss!

Vice President Biden should go with the candidate, regardless of gender, most likely to deliver him the Presidency. Yang, Castro and Porter should be contenders. We need Warren, Harris and Klobuchar in the Senate.

So if you should break your promise be a wartime President and explain the battleplan to us, Mr. Biden. Unlike the deplorables, your base is rational and possesses both intellectual and emotional intelligence.

^^responding to R35

R42, What does Castro have to offer?

Why Castro Convertibles, of course.

R42: The VP nominee will be a woman. End of. Accept it. Then sit down and shut up.

So while Trump supported unprecedented corporate and top 1% income tax cuts, he wants to eliminate $2,400 a month for struggling middle and working classes during 30%+ real unemployment during a pandemic with no end in sight. Disgraceful.

My thoughts are that the $600 per week extension will be signed into the next stimulus package, but maybe for an additional three months after the July mandate expires.

Rethugs may have resigned to Trump losing, but they don’t want to lose the Senate, too. If the Republican-controlled Senate screws over unemployed Americans, they can forget about it.

Trump came out as an asshole! Oh wait he did that 40 years ago.

This is bullshit and bitchassness of the worst kind.

My sister's best friend has worked for Hertz in Texas for over 20 years. She worked through excruciating endometriosis, and chemo for breast cancer and endometrial cancer. Took only 3 months off for surgery + recovery.

My sister texted me Monday to tell me her friend is being laid off at the end of this month. How evil is that?

And I'll bet Hertz gets a huge fucking bailout...funded by hardworking taxpayers like my sister's friend.

But SHE gets no help from this Administration?

Aren't the Rethugs cutting their own throats? The economy will not recover by election day unless people get help. And the (Obama) economy was all Trump had to campaign on. Everything else has been a failure.

My thoughts exactly, r50.

Most of their base is poor deplorables who are obviously not working during this pandemic, yet he’s willing to cut them off.

Ok.

If there is another stimulus, do you think that they should still phase it out after a certain income threshold? I think this isn’t really fair to do again. I am one of the lucky ones that is able to work from home and the business I work in is still busy, but I was still financially affected by this (lost a bunch in my 401k). I think across the board or nothing at all.

[quote] End of.

*eyeroll*

R52, greed is not a good look on you.

R54 how is that greed? There are a ton of people who don’t earn a lot on paper but have millions in the bank that got the 1200$...are they greedy? I am saying everyone or no one because not everyone’s true financial picture can be determined by an arbitrary income cap.

[quote]1200$

Really?

[quote] There are a ton of people who don’t earn a lot on paper but have millions in the bank that got the 1200$...are they greedy?

A) Yes it would.

B) Link to this, please.

If they had “millions” in the bank; their interest income coupled with their regular income would’ve put them over the cap. Don’t spout bullshit.

He's a billionaire, McConnell is a multi-millionaire married to a billionaire heiress. They don't care at all if people are hurting.

People are still getting laid off and businesses are not hiring.

Not that this is of any interest, but that stimulus check really helped after my hours were cut. Rich folks don’t understand how finances are “to the bone” for regular workers.

R57 who said anything about “regular” income? and yes, you can have millions in the bank and earn less div/int income in a year than the threshold, so miss me with the bullshit.

Still not sure how you consider giving every person the same stimulus payment greedy because you haven’t explained it.

We got our $4.7 trillion in bailouts from Trump, no strings attached, so fuck off to the rest of you. Just starve and then die.

But vote for Trump first, though, then die.

Love,

Corporations

Of course we are happy to starve and then die for our Lord God and Savior Donald Trump.

R60 Well hopefully these idiots will see the error of their ways this November.

I search Twitter for @realdonaldtrump and "voted for you" to see how many of his supporters are turning on him. This seems to be what is turning the tides for some of them. They don't care about his pussy grabbing, putting kids in cages, mocking people with disabilities, and overall shittery, they're mad that they're not getting small business loans while big corporations are, or the delay in their stimulus checks or how little the stimulus checks are. Now they have skin in the game and are threatening to withhold their votes. Let's see.

[quote] who said anything about “regular” income? and yes, you can have millions in the bank and earn less div/int income in a year than the threshold,

So you’re suggesting their basing the stimulus only on interest income or capital gains?

Of course they’ll take into consideration your normal income. It’s all in your AGI and it would have to be combined.

There are food lines for blocks because people have no income and cannot afford food because of the paltry stimulus from last time, and you don’t see how it’s not greedy that someone who is working wants it because their future retirement income took a hit because the stock market went down?

Time for all you fat, lazy queens to get back to work. Chop, Chop.

R66 What are you talking about? the stimulus is based ofF < 75,000 AGI (up to 99 for single) and your AGI can be completely composed of div / int income, some people don’t have any other source of income...those people can certainly have a chunk of money in investments /savings but make under that AGI threshold, so you’re not making any sense.

What a wimpy argument “people are in food lines”, I’m not saying to take the stimulus away from them and what an awful position to be in, but give everyone a stimulus...people feel economic hardship in different ways, just because someone isn’t in a food line doesn’t mean this pandemic hasn’t affected them

Also, r66, it’s “they’re”

All of this is a part of the conservative plan to destroy the middle class: big businesses and their executives will be fine. They are fine right now. Small businesses and their owners—traditionally, to a great extent, Republican voters—will be deprived of funds and crushed.

An imbalance between rich and poor is the oldest and most fatal ailment of all republics.

R70

Such simple minded analysis is worthy of CNN. Maybe even MSNBC.

Nobody likes Trump.

He’s just superior to his opponents.

I hate him with a passion but would choose him over Joe Retardin.

Does anyone else feel guilty about receiving unemployment. I retired with a comfortable, if not gold-plated, pension. I then started doing contract work in an office setting as much for the social engagement as to supplement my pension. So once the work seemingly came to an end, I applied for & began receiving (enhanced) unemployment. I have since been approached to work short-term projects - most recently this week - but, even though I’ve signaled my interest, nothing materialized because my in-home resources were lacking, something that if I really wanted to work remotely I could remedy. But working remotely kind of defeats my purpose of doing this work in the first place. I’m due next week to certify my continuing unemployment the prior two weeks, but I’m thinking of certifying just for the first week, & not certifying for the balance of the estimated 2-4 week project that was bandied about this week. And if possible, resuming my unemployment certifications thereafter. Or not at all if my guilt continues to plague me.

Stimulus payments were supposed to be to STIMULATE the economy. This was an overwhelming failure, with most of the money used to pay bill that were six months older or more.

Adding another stimulus will not help the economy. The unemployed got much more than normal, so they will be fine.

The best way to stimulate the economy is to cut the payroll tax from the workers, so they get the entire amount (minus deductions for medicare and social security).

Have you learned nothing from the horror show that is this administration, R73? Guilt is for losers!

It is an economic crisis. Republicans keep on saying this too. So why don't they use the system to prevent an economic depression, Social Security?

This is why FDR built the Social System program. You can give checks to the American people to prevent an economic depression. Or a regional depression, aka a recession.

Just vote every single Republican out of office.

November 2020

What's the fuss? Biden will win and they can dump the $15 trillion deficit on him. Then Pence/Pompeo can come back in 2024 to save the day.

They already accomplished their goal: packing the courts with Christian Supremacist Judges.

There’s a big problem though because no one wants to come back to work because their employees would rather a) not take the risk and b) keep collecting unemployment. I was talking with the owner of the Korean deli across the street from me today and he said “none of them want to come back as long as they can collect unemployment,” what can I do? This is going to become a big problem with a lot of business of every size (actually much worse for smaller businesses), but especially restaurants (and the hospitality business in general ) as they struggle to reopen and stay afloat. How will any of these places recover if no one will return to work — and no one has any real incentive to?

Wait staff get paid like $2 or $3 an hour, expecting tips to make up the rest. Who's going to risk it for that?? There won't be much business anyway.

Well people are getting infected left and right, and morons are crowding stores again and now not even wearing face masks. This country is truly doomed.

R79 not sure why you seem ok with businesses not being able to reopen. It’s totally not ok. People have to get back to work, and certainly NY and other civilized states are going to be putting its share of safety precautions in place.

If we’re going to still be giving people money then it has to be a flat sum regardless of income or whether you’re employed (Yang is right about this). Otherwise you’re seriously fucking up with people’s incentives.

business is down for on-line businesses too that stayed open. This year had the worst quality shit from china too. Who is going to buy that crap now? Even if you have the money, conspicuous consumption is not in vogue. And not many people have the money.

[quote]All of this is a part of the conservative plan to destroy the middle class

That part was already achieved years ago.

R76

Every time a dollar is created by the USTreasury via the Federal Reserve, every dollar in existence loses a fraction of its value.

The year-over-year increase in money supply is approaching 28%. That means, ceteris paribus/all things being equal, that eventually all prices in the economy will rise by 28% in the future.

At the same time, you are increasing the federal deficit by gargantuan margins. The inability for many companies to repay debts because of disruptions from Covid, supply chain deficiencies, defaults, rental CMBS income, bankruptcy induced balance sheet write offs- the destruction will be generational. The disease is very dangerous, but economic lockdown is 100% deadly.

PS- The fucking federal reserve and treasury department are using legalistic bullshit to purchase exchange traded funds in order to prop up the stock market.

Where on earth did I say that R81? I insinuated wages in the service industry will need to rise. As they have the PPP loans it shouldn't be an issue.

Now what fun is it to help out Americans with money when you can cut their Social Security and Disability payments. NOW that's fun!

Many people could use this right about now.

President Donald Trump has said Americans could get a second stimulus check amid the coronavirus pandemic and that the soon-to-announced package will be 'very generous'.

Asked how much the payout would be worth, he said: 'You'll find out about it'

Trump said that he'll reveal the amount over 'the next couple of weeks probably'

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Now we have to be against it I suppose

I will be against it r88 and slam it right into my savings account.

ISIS called...

We could use this money right about now...

Send us cash!!!

Canadians are getting stimulus money every month.

What the Socio-Democratic countries doing (France, Denmark)?

What are people supposed to do without income this summer?

It’s like the rethugs are trying to push for breadlines and riots.

France — anyone temporarily furloughed is paid 80% salary from the state for the duration. Small businesses have rent forgiveness.

France: Plus universal Health Care.

USA: Jack Shit.

"Let them eat nothing."

How can anyone vote for a Republican again after what they are doing to us, the American people?

VOTE them OUT!

Why is he trying to kill off deplorables?

How does this make sense?

what make sense

The unemployed better not bet getting more than someone who's actually working like with the last stimulus.

[quote] The unemployed better not bet getting more than someone who's actually working like with the last stimulus.

If you're getting more being unemployed, then your job wasn't paying you enough

Why aren’t you mad at your cheapskate, exploitative boss and company than your fellow neighbor?

Please answer and don’t scurry away like a coward r102?

Shouldn’t you take that up with your boss?

Well??

The country needs more stimulus money ASAP!

The states and local governments haven't had very much money coming in for months now. So no funds for them mean that essential workers don't get paid - hospital workers, teachers, police, food banks etc... which means cuts and more unemployment. McTurtle has said he doesn't want to "bail" out blue states like New York and California but he may change their tune later on when this pandemic wrecks havoc with the "red" states as it now appears to be doing. McTurtle has been so good for Kentucky that the state is about the fifth poorest in the nation.

GOP = Assholes

^ HIS tune

I imagine that the Post Office funding was the deal breaker,

I’ve read that Nancy wants to eliminate the SALT [State and local taxes) restrictions that were created under Trump’s tax cut for the wealthy. The SALT restriction means that you can only deduct up to $10,000 of the combination of your property tax and your state income tax payments. That is a really low limit for people in places with high property taxes, so it hits many in the middle class. If they intended to hit the wealthy with multiple homes and so forth, they could increase the cap to $20,000 or more. That would be better targeted.

Fine, no more stimulus and the country will sink deeper into this depression. The Trump Depression.

Note, the recession started BEFORE all the Covid layoffs.

The GOP don't cares about stimulus if it specifically is aimed to help the rich. They had the Obama stimulus because it was aimed at the middle class.

[quote] R20: This is crazy because what if you made 100k last year but this year you made squat? No money for you!

I don’t know about this, in this instance; however, the Medicare part B premium is based, in part, on your income from two years previous. It your income two years ago was artificially high, they have a process to challenging a premium hike due to that one-year extra income.

If your income exceeds $75,000, such as $75,100, does that mean you get nothing? Usually they give a reduced benefit for higher incomes, starting at some level; and phase the benefit out completely at a higher income level. That’s how the Roth income-qualification works.

Heard this on the news...

Major Corporations are NOT going to pay rent, commercial rental market is going to bust. They are letting their workers (that they have not fired yet) work from home, permanently. This is to get out of commercial rental lease. Then, mass firing down the road.

Soon, counts will reopen and evictions will take place (no extension there) = people on the streets who can’t pay pass and present rent (or mortgages)

Additional employment $$ will be stopped = people without money to pay for necessities

GOP solution = Go back to work (with CV raging) and get sick or die.

Counts = courts

R103 R104, I make just over the median salary in this country. After taxes, 401k contributions and insurance, my take home is less than what someone currently collecting unemployment + the $600 government stimulus gets. And R104, who said I was mad at my fellow neighbor? They didn't make the stimulus package. Don't put words in my mouth just because yours is filled with your foot.

Sounds like you need a raise. The median income is a joke and was the same in 1970.

Why has company revenues and profits soared while your salary stays the same or shrinks?

You’re mad at the wrong people.

I'm not mad at the wrong people. I received a raise just last fall.