[QUOTE]Viewership of The Sopranos has skyrocketed 179% in the weeks since the lockdown. “A lot of people are using quarantine as an opportunity to finally watch or rewatch different shows they’ve had on their list for a while. This is definitely one of the high ones.”
‘The Sopranos’ is One of the Hottest Shows On Television... in 2020
|by Anonymous||reply 195||Last Saturday at 10:53 AM|
Pauley Walnuts. For him alone worth a re-watch.
|by Anonymous||reply 1||05/08/2020|
Now that's longevity.
|by Anonymous||reply 2||05/08/2020|
Bedtime Stories at #1, the Sopranos... are the 90s back in style?
|by Anonymous||reply 3||05/08/2020|
A great series, The Sopranos, which I binge-watched over weekends one summer about 10 years ago, averaging a season a weekend. I couldn't believe how good it was, but it certainly gave me some hellish dreams from watching it in such concentrated doses. I'd have to work up the nerve to get into it again.
|by Anonymous||reply 4||05/08/2020|
I watched it but it went downhill after awhile.
|by Anonymous||reply 5||05/08/2020|
Sopranos, Six Feet Under, Upstairs Downstairs -- my days have been filled.
|by Anonymous||reply 6||05/08/2020|
[QUOTE] I watched it but it went downhill after awhile.
The Sopranos never went downhill.
|by Anonymous||reply 7||05/08/2020|
My sister is an academic, and she cites it as one of the shows teens and twentysomething are obsessed with, along with Friends and Gray's Anatomy.
|by Anonymous||reply 8||05/08/2020|
|by Anonymous||reply 9||05/08/2020|
You knew you were damaged goods and you never fucking told me?
|by Anonymous||reply 10||05/08/2020|
R8, surprisingly you are right. Before the shut down some of my middle schoolers admitted to being in love with Grey's Anatomy. I really didn't get it...
|by Anonymous||reply 11||05/08/2020|
My sisters both watched this recently and my mom is rewatching
|by Anonymous||reply 12||05/08/2020|
I love how they'd always leave the ends off food words: mozzarell', prosciutt', etc.
Also, the malapropisms the gang threw out all the time were such good laughs.
|by Anonymous||reply 13||05/08/2020|
Chris Tardio was such an adonis when he was on there.
|by Anonymous||reply 14||05/12/2020|
Maybe people would rather watch a pretend Mob boss than a wannabe Mob boss? I would rather.
|by Anonymous||reply 15||05/12/2020|
I'm watching the first season right now. I tried to get into the Sopranos a few years ago but I just tuned out. This time, it's obvious the characters are so well-written. Far better than the characters on Breaking Bad, Six Feet Under, etc. That's just my opinion though. The Wire also has great characters but in a completely different way. And I've liked Lorraine Bracco. What are the best seasons of the show?
|by Anonymous||reply 16||05/12/2020|
[quote]What are the best seasons of the show?
Whichever one you're watching at the moment. They're all good, and meant to be watched in order.
|by Anonymous||reply 17||05/12/2020|
R17, thanks. Can't wait to finish the season.
|by Anonymous||reply 18||05/12/2020|
So the people of New Jersey finally discovered Netflix.
|by Anonymous||reply 19||05/12/2020|
It’s not even on Netflix.
|by Anonymous||reply 20||05/12/2020|
It's on Amazon Prime.
|by Anonymous||reply 21||05/12/2020|
HBO is offering it for free, too, right?
Over the years I've watched the whole series 3-4 times, I think. And I honestly think I might start watching it from the top again tomorrow.
|by Anonymous||reply 22||05/12/2020|
The evil Livia Soprano was just a joyless, and sad woman.
#3 Livia Soprano
"If you want my advice, Anthony, don't expect happiness. You won't get it, people let you down … It's all a big nothing. What makes you think you're so special?" Has any villain ever wielded a weapon half as effectively as Livia Soprano deployed pure nihilism? This monologue served as a backdrop for six(ish) seasons of her mafia-don son Tony's brushes with death and depravity. Sure, she tried to have him killed, but it was the joyless way in which she lived that truly made her an enemy. The character's story was tragically cut short by the death of actor Nancy Marchand, but in being struck down she became more powerful than Tony could possibly imagine; the damage she inflicted was irreversible.
|by Anonymous||reply 23||05/12/2020|
The Wire and The Sopranos are both on Hulu. Good job Hulu.
|by Anonymous||reply 24||05/12/2020|
[quote]Bedtime Stories at #1, the Sopranos... are the 90s back in style?
They've been in style for years. Where have you been, hon?
|by Anonymous||reply 25||05/12/2020|
Soprano are on the Roku Channel too.
|by Anonymous||reply 26||05/12/2020|
Now I want to rewatch it.
|by Anonymous||reply 27||05/12/2020|
I understand younger viewers' interest in Sopranos and early Grey's Anatomy, but Friends, I just can't.
|by Anonymous||reply 28||05/12/2020|
R28, Friends is like The Cosby Show....but without any black characters, no rapist creator/star, etc. Joking aside, Friends is like The Cosby show where even if you don't laugh, the stories are a sideshow to the jokes/antics. This makes it perfect for mindless watching and binging. I think that's why so many people watch it even if they don't necessarily love it.
|by Anonymous||reply 29||05/12/2020|
|by Anonymous||reply 30||05/12/2020|
That ending though.
|by Anonymous||reply 31||05/12/2020|
I’d rather have that ending than see Tony get his brains blown out right in front of Carmela and the kids.
|by Anonymous||reply 32||05/12/2020|
Not going to be the one to spoil it, but Chase is semi-officially on record as to what the final ending (sudden blackout) means, he let it slip in an interview recently, like last year. In case anyone's interested.
|by Anonymous||reply 33||05/12/2020|
One of the funniest scenes is when Tony's sister Janice is having kinky sex with her mafia boyfriend. She is shoveling a dildo up his ass and has a gun to his head saying to him - I'LL PIMP YOU OUT BITCH!
|by Anonymous||reply 34||05/12/2020|
Tony Soprano is alive and well. According to David Chase he is anyway.
|by Anonymous||reply 35||05/12/2020|
[QUOTE] One of the funniest scenes is when Tony's sister Janice is having kinky sex with her mafia boyfriend. She is shoveling a dildo up his ass and has a gun to his head saying to him - I'LL PIMP YOU OUT BITCH!
What’s equally funny is when Ralphie audaciously tells the story as if Janice was the one who fetishized it.
|by Anonymous||reply 36||05/12/2020|
|by Anonymous||reply 37||05/12/2020|
I never watched it, thinking about it but would it be a big let down after just getting through Ozark? I mean the killing is not going to shock me if you compare what was surprising 20 years ago by today. Is it worth binging on?
|by Anonymous||reply 38||05/12/2020|
Tony Soprano and his ma. Season 1, episode 1. Superb actors.
|by Anonymous||reply 39||05/12/2020|
The Wire is on Roku too.
|by Anonymous||reply 40||05/12/2020|
Did any other show (ever) have this level of acting? Masterclass.
|by Anonymous||reply 41||05/12/2020|
David Chase said that Tony died in the end.
|by Anonymous||reply 42||05/12/2020|
In my unpopular opinion, Season 1 was not that great. It was like watching the 1st season of Seinfeld; the actors were still feeling out their characters. By Season 3, it was really good.
Another unpopular opinion is that I never liked the psychiatrist device. The idea came from "Analyze This," IMO. It was also an expository device (Tony tells you what he's thinking via the psych). I like Lorraine Bracco, but IMO, she was not convincing as the psychiatrist.
R41, that fight between Tony and Carmela was really good.
|by Anonymous||reply 43||05/12/2020|
r13: The leaving off of the final vowel on words like "prosciutt..." etc. is IIRC Neapolitan dialect. Nowadays Italians in all parts of Italy all study standard Italian in school (the dialect they use on TV, mostly Milanese)--but they all still have regional dialects. Italian was only a united country in the middle of the 19th century. All these cities were city-states and all had their own dialects. Sicilian (according to the book we used in my Italian class) is even considered a separate language, not just a dialect. Anyway, the point is not that The Sopranos used it's own version of Italian, but that the characters came from families that immigrated from the Naples area, capital of the Campania region, and that's how they speak there. I could have this wrong--this could be another dialect, but the majority of Italian immigrants in the 19th and early 20th centuries did come from either Naples or Sicily, and I know that's not Sicilian in the Sopranos. I could look it up but don't feel like it.
|by Anonymous||reply 44||05/12/2020|
It was really groundbreaking bit, but I re-watched it last year, and though it's still strong I found it doesn't always hold up quite so well now. The series started with the concept of a mobster in therapy, but by the last season Chase had given up on that idea, and I thought the show suffered as a result. I loved Bracco--i though she provided some hilarious perspective on things (one of the hardest times I ever laughed while watching the show the show was when she told Tony, completely deadpan during therapy, "It sounds like you see yourself as a 'sad clown' ").There were great touches almost all the way through--sometimes they'd have a really brilliant idea, like the idea of Johnny and Ginny Sac having beautiful taste in their interior decorating of their house (as opposed to Carmella and Tony), or Meadow going to see the bored therapist (Linda Lavin!) who only becomes interested in her complaints when she thinks she might be able to discover that Meadow was the victim of sexual abuse.
|by Anonymous||reply 45||05/12/2020|
I guess it's true. I've been watching one episode a night and I'm nearly at the end. Never seen the show until now though of course the ending was shouted all over the internet back when it first ran. My only real complaint is the theme song. I have to mute that until they get to the first scene.
Jamie-Lynn Sigler who played Meadow was hilarious as a Will and Grace guest star.
|by Anonymous||reply 46||05/12/2020|
It was unbelievable how hot all the goomars where. If you watch any true crime on the mafia and they were all gross skanks suitable the gross looking mafia guys. They did Adriana so wrong, basically any woman on the show was portrayed as whore and if she wasn't, she was either murdered or raped or beaten. It's so antiwoman and once you notice, you can't stop.
|by Anonymous||reply 47||05/12/2020|
Gloria Trillo. Every woman hates thinking their man would meet a gloria type figure.
|by Anonymous||reply 48||05/12/2020|
[quote]the characters came from families that immigrated from the Naples area, capital of the Campania region, and that's how they speak there.
Indeed, Avellino, where Tony's forebears were from, is in Campania, about 50 miles from Naples.
|by Anonymous||reply 49||05/12/2020|
I absolutely LOVED the Sopranos on first watch. The second time, I liked it for a season, and then I couldn't stomach it.
|by Anonymous||reply 50||05/12/2020|
[quote] [B]asically any woman on the show was portrayed as whore and if she wasn't, she was either murdered or raped or beaten.
There was the de facto boss lady (Commendatori) in Italy. There was another boss lady, the one who got shot with the phone book between the gun and her chest; she did get beaten up as well.
Janice Soprano and Livia (the mom) were actually good, interesting roles for women. One reason I got sick of "The Simpsons" is because all of the girl/women characters were really boring.
|by Anonymous||reply 51||05/12/2020|
The shrink (I'm blanking on her name) belatedly realised that Tony, as a sociopath/antisocial personality would not be helped by psychotherapy to become a better person. Rather, it only enabled him.
That it took 6 or so seasons for her to remember something from her 3rd-year psychology textbook was one of the less plausible moments on the show.
|by Anonymous||reply 52||05/13/2020|
Annabella Sciorra was astonishing as Gloria Trillo.
|by Anonymous||reply 53||05/13/2020|
There was a Sopranos Com last fall in New Jersey, and it was very poorly organized, one problem being no one was expecting the huge number of enthusiastic fans to show up. Now there are mini-cons, and the podcast is extremely popular.
And I concur with how effective the Gloria Trillo story is, and how wonderful Annabella Sciorra was. Watching her now, after knowing how she suffered from Harvey Weinstein's brutal rape, is heartbreaking. I hope she's found peace.
|by Anonymous||reply 54||05/13/2020|
[QUOTE] That it took 6 or so seasons for her to remember something from her 3rd-year psychology textbook was one of the less plausible moments on the show.
Her name was Dr. Melfi, R52. And it didn’t take six seasons. It was a recurring theme throughout the show, but she liked Tony so much that she continued treating him despite wrestling with the reality that he’d never change. She enjoyed their sessions. In fact she was ready to move him to behavior modification therapy in Season 3, conceding that she couldn’t help him, but changed her mind after being sexually assaulted because it was through their friendship that she regained her sense of security.
Had there been another season, Tony could easily talk his way back into her chair.
|by Anonymous||reply 55||05/13/2020|
[QUOTE] Iler first remembered how he didn't think he had a shot at the A.J. role because all the other kids at the audition were Italian, but show creator David Chase laughed every time the young Iler said "fuck" and somehow that landed him the job, he joked.
|by Anonymous||reply 56||05/13/2020|
I honestly can't imagine the connection of the brilliant Sopranos with the dreck that is Grey's Anatomy.
|by Anonymous||reply 57||05/13/2020|
And Grey's went bad FAST, with that stupid "Dizzy" story. I quit watching it in season 2 or 3.
|by Anonymous||reply 58||05/13/2020|
I started watching the series again and even back in Season 1, Dr. Melfi’s husband was telling her that Tony is a sociopath and she shouldn’t be treating him. It was her personal choice.
|by Anonymous||reply 59||05/13/2020|
Just watched the pilot episode and I feel like I wasted an hour of my life. Looks like every other "tough guy" HBO show coupled with tits and ass. Not impressive at all.
|by Anonymous||reply 60||05/13/2020|
R60, try Season 3 (esp. "Pine Barrens"). IMO, Season 1 was not good. Plus, James Gandolfini looked like George Costanza. Once you see the resemblance, you can't unsee it.
|by Anonymous||reply 61||05/13/2020|
I think Season 1 is a bit of a slog but it does shine in a couple of places that almost completely make up for it. In a way, it's like Season 1 of the Wire (which I just finished) where most of the season is just getting you introduced to their characters, their inner lives and how they make decisions.
|by Anonymous||reply 62||05/13/2020|
Season 1 isn’t a slog at all. What’s the matter with you finooks? Some of the best, most memorable moments of the entire series are in these episodes. There’s no use trying to convince some lousy prick who doesn’t like it after watching one episode. If you don’t know, you don’t know.
|by Anonymous||reply 63||05/13/2020|
R63, And you're a bigger prick. I'm not watching the rest of that garbage. Go cry in a corner triggered bitch.
|by Anonymous||reply 64||05/13/2020|
Oof, madon’! You blow your father with that mouth?
|by Anonymous||reply 65||05/13/2020|
Brilliant show . I was riveted the entire series ,wich is especially odd as I never liked mafioso themed anything. James Gandolfini just did something for me . I found him incredibly sexy . I also fell in love with Edie Falco during this,and now watch anything shes in because shes incredibly talented.
|by Anonymous||reply 66||05/13/2020|
My grandmother LOVED the scene where Christopher kills Cozette accidentally...but Janice made this show for me! The family line of " there's a lot of things that I could say right now that I'm NOT going to say!" is perfect!
|by Anonymous||reply 67||05/13/2020|
The Sopranos doesn't come off as a typical mafia story, it seems much deeper.
|by Anonymous||reply 68||05/13/2020|
“Cunnilingus & psychiatry brought us to this.”
They should've ended the series right there. It was the summation of Chase’s idea for the show. But people get greedy when million$ are waved in front of them.
Anyone comparing this to Ozark has a brain leak. That show was retarded. Plot holes 7 miles wide & a guy who is supposed to be a smart money launderer keeps telling everyone he’s a money launderer for a drug cartel. And he’s terrible at it. And the bad guy who murders everyone else keeps saying “I geeve you one more chance.....because you smart...”
Another good HBO show is ROME. Occasionally gruesome, but campy/funny too. It was supposed to be a 7 season show but it was too expensive. Game of Thrones showrunners figured out how to shave tons of money from production. Film in dark, tight areas with dark filters on the lens & use lots of CGI.
|by Anonymous||reply 69||05/13/2020|
[quote] My grandmother LOVED the scene where Christopher kills Cozette accidentally...but Janice made this show for me! The family line of " there's a lot of things that I could say right now that I'm NOT going to say!" is perfect!
The untimely death of Cozette reared its head during the Christopher intervention. Tony, still hurting from the death of Pie-O-My (horse) became angry when he heard that Christopher killed Cozette.
Yes, Janice was a great character. Some people had real hatred for Janice, but she was hilarious to me.
|by Anonymous||reply 70||05/13/2020|
[QUOTE] The Sopranos doesn't come off as a typical mafia story, it seems much deeper.
That’s because it is much deeper. The stunod at R60/R64 doesn’t have the brainpower to comprehend that. What kind of simpleton watches one episode of something and passes judgement on the other 85, despite the fact that many far and wide are telling him that it’s a masterpiece? One that’s regularly declared the greatest show ever? Fuckin’ slander, you ask me.
|by Anonymous||reply 71||05/13/2020|
I thought Hulu would have ROME with its HBO content, but it doesn’t. Luckily, amazon Prime has it.
|by Anonymous||reply 72||05/13/2020|
Amazon Prime has every HBO show exclusively except Game of Thrones.
|by Anonymous||reply 73||05/13/2020|
R70 The emotional responses from Tony in relation to the story was a cornerstone of the show starting with the geese, but they were so good/funny/gruesome, (thinking about the fight in Ralphies kitchen). But seeing him froth over the dog, or horse, Gandolfini was amazing.
I also loved the rest of that intervention when Christopher is told to go to every meeting, every therapy session, and not say NOTHING...omg!
I also really liked the season when Janice and Ritchie get together, and try to out-do Tony and Carmela for a bit, anyway...but she's so desperate, and contrived, perfectly horrible antagonist it just worked.
So much to love about this show, even Bogdanovich is tolerable!
|by Anonymous||reply 74||05/13/2020|
Even Linda Lavin was good. Of course they didn’t let her sing, so that helped.
|by Anonymous||reply 75||05/13/2020|
Don't get angry, R74, but I thought the geese in the pool thing was corny (aww, sensitive Tony). That's another reason why I don't think Season 1 was that great. Tony's connection to the horse was more believable. Then, the murder of Ralph Cifaretto was icing on the cake.
In retrospect, Ralph was a great character and died too soon.
|by Anonymous||reply 76||05/13/2020|
I found Tony Soprano to be scarier than any of The Godfather guys.
|by Anonymous||reply 77||05/13/2020|
|by Anonymous||reply 78||05/13/2020|
Wrap it up, Janice.
|by Anonymous||reply 79||05/13/2020|
The Sopranos is as deep as The Godfather and funnier than Goodfellas.
|by Anonymous||reply 80||05/13/2020|
I watched it every Sunday when it originally aired and it still holds up
|by Anonymous||reply 81||05/13/2020|
I never watched it when it was first aired, but I knew there was a some kind of gay character storyline from reading DL. Later after I got hooked, I SCREAMED when I finally saw who the gay character turned out to be.
|by Anonymous||reply 82||05/13/2020|
One of my favorite episodes was when Carmela overheard Junior’s girlfriend talk about him going down on her and Tony making jokes about it
|by Anonymous||reply 83||05/13/2020|
This and Breaking Bad are the most overrated crap the so-called golden age of tv has produced.
|by Anonymous||reply 84||05/13/2020|
The reception after Livia's funeral where Janice tries yo get everyone to share their feelings had me howling. It was like an episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm with an unspoken threat of gun violence.
|by Anonymous||reply 85||05/13/2020|
R85 Who needs gun violence when you have a loaded Carmela?
Watching her blow was great!
|by Anonymous||reply 86||05/13/2020|
Breaking Bad is overrated. It's not a show I could ever watch again, it's very much "of the moment". But not The Sopranos. It still holds up and the public seems to agree.
|by Anonymous||reply 87||05/13/2020|
R84 is more of a Two and a Half Men kind of guy.
|by Anonymous||reply 88||05/13/2020|
HBO had free streaming this past month
|by Anonymous||reply 89||05/13/2020|
It’s so funny that people talk about how season one isn’t that great. In fact it was stellar. I remember reviews were off the charts. But the show did indeed get much better in later seasons. In comparison to season three, the first season isn’t as good, but it’s as good as anything else that’s ever run on tv.
|by Anonymous||reply 90||05/13/2020|
Angie Bompensiero's story is overlooked. But the woman made it. Carmela was so jelly of her success.
|by Anonymous||reply 91||05/13/2020|
The first few seasons of Sex and the City were lauded at the time for being groundbreaking. They weren't and that claim seems really silly in retrospect. Season 1 of The Sopranos is good but it definitely feels like a warm up for the later seasons.
|by Anonymous||reply 92||05/13/2020|
New generations will find and enjoy SATC. Although it’ll be/is dated, it still was ground breaking in showing real women relationships with men and each other.
|by Anonymous||reply 93||05/13/2020|
Carmela could’ve taught Lori Loughlin a thing of two.
|by Anonymous||reply 94||05/13/2020|
[quote] New generations will find and enjoy SATC
Will they though? SATC seems like one of those shows that will strictly appeal to women who saw it when it first aired. It's not the kind of show that screams longevity.
|by Anonymous||reply 95||05/13/2020|
R43, I thought I was the only one who didn’t like Bracco as Dr Melfi. She’s a good actress but her performance in this left me a little cold. Probably didn’t help that there were so many great performances around her.
|by Anonymous||reply 96||05/13/2020|
Rosalie Aprile was one of my favorite characters. "Fuckin' nosy?! Eat your manicott!"
GIFs don't post like they used to, so I'll just post a still photo.
|by Anonymous||reply 97||05/13/2020|
Thanks R14 ! That's a hot guy right there! That face and body, and the way his butt wiggles in your scene. Hot all around.
|by Anonymous||reply 98||05/13/2020|
One of my favorite supporting characters was the hapless Artie Bucco. The scene in the penultimate episode where he prepares the rabbit dish from his grandfather's cookbook, is strangely beautiful.
|by Anonymous||reply 99||05/13/2020|
[QUOTE] That's a hot guy right there! That face and body, and the way his butt wiggles in your scene. Hot all around.
Whoever directed that episode R98 sure must have loved their subject. The camera luxuriates in his body like it’s one of those All American Guys softcore muscle flicks. Bruce Weber couldn’t have done a better job soaking up every inch of that Italian stallion.
|by Anonymous||reply 100||05/13/2020|
Agreed R100 that was very hot.
|by Anonymous||reply 101||05/13/2020|
Trump reminds me of Livia. Only he's more mobbed up.
|by Anonymous||reply 102||05/14/2020|
No surprise Livia was the way she was. Growing up, girls in Sicilian American families were seen as useless. You had to marry her off to get her out of the house. When you married her off, her husband beat her. But IRL there was no scene where Sonny goes to beat up the sister’s husband. Once she was married, she belonged to her husband. She could not run home to her mom & dad with the kids. That was out if tge question. In their minds, the husband was the head of the family and the woman needed to obey the husband.
I remember hearing a story where an Italian American woman says her immigrant grandmother was married off when she was 17. The husband beat her regularly. He used to nap in the daytime. One afternoon the husband woke up and saw his wife standing over him with a boiling pot of pasta. The grandma said, “You beat me once more, you never sleep easy in this house.”
Once a son was born, all females took a backseat. The son was everything. The mother doted on him, the father showed him off while all the girls were ignored. For Livia Soprano, life *was* a big nothing. Her parents weren’t going to send her to college. She wasn’t going to have a career. Her job was to marry, obey her husband & produce children, especially a son. Cook,clean, take a beating & go to church.
|by Anonymous||reply 103||05/14/2020|
Good story, r103, but Livia's parents were from Avellino, the same region as Naples.
|by Anonymous||reply 104||05/14/2020|
That's a misreading of Livia, I think. She was a nasty malignant narcissist. There's a line from Tony, something about her wearing his (mafia boss) father down to a "little nub" with the constant dressing down and gaslighting.
|by Anonymous||reply 105||05/14/2020|
Livia’s husband was a brute.
|by Anonymous||reply 106||05/14/2020|
Gaslighting, r105? How did Livia gaslight Johnny?
|by Anonymous||reply 107||05/14/2020|
was there a gay character/storyline? i used to watch it but sorry i forgot .
|by Anonymous||reply 108||05/14/2020|
Gaslight is a misused word, but agree with R105's point that Livia was a narcissist (another misused word). IMO, Livia was supposed to be the opposite of Mother of the Year. She wasn't a feminist crusader. She was someone who cared about herself only and who didn't have motherly instincts.
There was a scene where Tony trips & falls outside of Livia's house & she laughs. She spilled all T's secrets to Uncle Junior, etc.
David Chase said he had a mother like Livia. Sounds corny, but IMO, it's a groundbreaking character for a woman. Not all women, not all moms are caring about their children.
|by Anonymous||reply 109||05/14/2020|
[quote]David Chase said he had a mother like Livia.
I did, too. But it was only half of her personality, the other side of which was crushing, obsessive love of her firstborn son. Sometimes the two coalesced. The boy down the street they bought my first car from was caught with Playboy magazines in the trunk of his new car. My parents were talking about it in the living room when suddenly my mother broke into this absolute rage: "YOU'd better not do this! I'd rather see you DEAD than find those kinds of magazines in YOUR car. RATHER SEE YOU DEAD!!!"
Well, she never found those kinds of magazines in my car (something I was able to torture her with after I came out).
|by Anonymous||reply 110||05/14/2020|
[quote] That's a misreading of Livia, I think. She was a nasty malignant narcissist.
I always understood Livia was based on the wife of Emperor Augustus and the harm she did to her own children and Rome generally.
Something I learned about the show only this morning after watching one of the last episodes. The recurring role of the wife of the gay mobster was played by Lorraine Bracco's own daughter. She looks older than her mother.
|by Anonymous||reply 111||05/14/2020|
R111 Elizabeth Bracco is Lorraine's sister not her daughter.
|by Anonymous||reply 112||05/14/2020|
Correction noted.. But the YOUNGER sister still looks older
|by Anonymous||reply 113||05/14/2020|
David Chase clearly has issues with women
|by Anonymous||reply 114||05/14/2020|
The only misstep for me in the whole series was the gay New Hampshire storyline. You could tell the writers didn’t have a personal understanding of that world. The reveal of Vito going down on the guy in the parking lot of the construction was genius. But they didn’t know what to do with him after that. (Though I loved the implication that Phil Leotardo might have had a gay past.)
|by Anonymous||reply 115||05/14/2020|
R115, Wut? Phil Leotardo had a gay past? I do not remember that at all. Phil L. was a hilarious character.
[quote] And I took his fat fuckin' hand in friendship. (Talking about Tony Soprano.)
Vito as the one gay character was disappointing, no offense to the actor. Christopher (gay) would have been more interesting.
|by Anonymous||reply 116||05/14/2020|
Why was he “disappointing,” R116? Because he wasn’t sexy enough for you?
|by Anonymous||reply 117||05/14/2020|
No, R117, that's not really the reason. I guess Vito just wasn't pinging at all for me (not saying that every gay man has to ping, not saying my gaydar is infallible, either).
It's more like when, on the old "Roseanne Show," they said that one of the characters would come out as gay and it turned out to be Roseanne's mother. IMO, it would have made more sense if it had been Darlene or Jackie, who both pinged.
I did like when Vito lost a little bit of weight and became insufferable, talking about his diet.
|by Anonymous||reply 118||05/14/2020|
Christopher was hot and should’ve been gay.
I’d eat grilled cheese off his radiator!
|by Anonymous||reply 119||05/14/2020|
The guy who played Johnny Sac was perfect.
|by Anonymous||reply 120||05/14/2020|
He’s a big Trump supporter, R120.
|by Anonymous||reply 121||05/14/2020|
There were some really terrible actors on it. Meadow, Vito, Vito's wife, Jenny Sac, Little Steven.
|by Anonymous||reply 122||05/14/2020|
Too funny. I thought it was just me. I've never see it before. I just never had the desire because it's so long. Guess I got the time now. I'm only up to Season 1 Episode 4. It seems pretty good but all those NY accents get annoying and I keep waiting for the bad guys to get theirs but they're all bad guys. Oh well, it's free with Prime so WTF.
|by Anonymous||reply 123||05/14/2020|
|by Anonymous||reply 124||05/14/2020|
Wow, I had no idea the woman who played Ginny Sack died until I googled her just now. And she’s been dead for 10 years!
|by Anonymous||reply 125||05/14/2020|
The Meadow and AJ characters were boring. Partly the writing and partly the bad acting. (Jamie Lynn Sigler (sulking face always) and Robert Iler.) "Pine Barrens" (Season 3) was marred by the subplot involving Meadow and Jackie Junior (another bad actor, good looks could not save the situation).
|by Anonymous||reply 126||05/14/2020|
[quote] It seems pretty good but all those NY accents get annoying
NJ, don't you mean?
|by Anonymous||reply 127||05/14/2020|
Its moments like this in what isnt said that adds another dimension to the show, the unspoken 'ethics', and ethos.
|by Anonymous||reply 128||05/15/2020|
Get that egg salad out of his mouth!
|by Anonymous||reply 129||05/17/2020|
r41 You hit the nail on the head: a Masterclass. And that’s exactly what’s wrong with it. The enunciation, the beats, the verbal density, everything smacks of thea-tuh!
If David Chase would’ve been honest & made it what it was-essentially an autobiography of his psyche, especially his relationship with his mother, it would've been so much better. In fairness, that was the original intent, IIRC. The mob boss was just a device, almost a metaphor of “this is what we turn into with these mothers”. When viewers responded to the mafia parts, he ended up expanding it. Unfortunately, he didn't adjust the writing accordingly; Tony was still David, even as the mafia life became the centre of the show.
Once that happened, & Nancy Marchand died, it was all over. Chase was out of his element, & the people he brought in later had no idea what that world was, or what a true psychopath looked like. The only thing left was to let Gandolfini huff & puff and chew the scenery, and let the show's character arcs ripple out around it. Add some comic relief & viola--Compelling Television Drama. The ending everyone criticized was just the epitome of the whole series. It was cowardly writing, with over-arch dialogue, a try hard soundtrack and way too much theatre acting.
For all the violence, it pulled way too many punches.
|by Anonymous||reply 130||05/17/2020|
And yet it was still the best television show of the modern era, r130.
|by Anonymous||reply 131||05/17/2020|
r131 not even close.
|by Anonymous||reply 132||05/17/2020|
r130 is deliberately contrarian. Talk about trying too hard.
|by Anonymous||reply 133||05/17/2020|
It was good up until the bullshit dream sequence after Tony got shot and they wasted episodes on Tony and his fantasy alter ego. Once they got past that, there were some good moments until that most ridiculous ending of all time.
|by Anonymous||reply 134||05/17/2020|
The dream sequences, I never liked. IMO, they was David Chase's efforts at being artistic. I am a fan of the show, though
|by Anonymous||reply 135||05/17/2020|
[quote] of The dream sequences, I never liked. IMO, they was David Chase's efforts at being artistic
They were pure filler. Run out of ideas, pad the episodes with filler.
|by Anonymous||reply 136||05/17/2020|
I could never get into it; I thought it was clunky and pseudo-intellectual.
|by Anonymous||reply 137||05/17/2020|
I liked the dream stuff. The dream/food poisoning hallucination episode (I think it’s at the end of season two) where Tony, Paulie and Silvio take Big Pussy out on the boat to kill him is stunning.
I also dearly love the Annette Bening dream.
|by Anonymous||reply 138||05/17/2020|
What, you people don’t have weird dreams? Is Tony not allowed to dream because he’s a mobster? Those episodes had some of the best moments of the series, and led to other great moments like when Meadow gave Tony a Big Mouth Billy Bass for Christmas. I couldn’t stop laughing when I saw that.
|by Anonymous||reply 139||05/18/2020|
Gloria Trillo! One the most complicated characters on that show. That fight was one of the best.
|by Anonymous||reply 140||05/18/2020|
I liked the dreams too. They sort of set this particular show apart. The Sopranos is my favorite. 😊
|by Anonymous||reply 141||05/18/2020|
The dreams, and other tropes, served to deflate the self-aggrandizing mafioso hypermasculinity with a little surreal diversion, I enjoyed them. They were very good -- Gandolfini, the writers, Chase, the directors -- at keeping Tony balanced on the very fine line between terrifying alpha male and ridiculous clown, this was one of the show's masterstrokes.
|by Anonymous||reply 142||05/19/2020|
Never cared about the show when it originally aired, let alone now.
|by Anonymous||reply 143||05/19/2020|
I thought the show worked beautifully until the overlong Season 6. It was indeed full of filler, including the egregious Vito gay storyline. If they'd simply had him disappear for a while and then come back and get whacked, cutting out the whole New Hampshire sequence, it would have worked much better. In fact, boiling those 21 episodes down to the standard 13 (or 15 at most) would have gotten rid of most of the fluff and left the series with a tight, devastating final run of episodes. Other plotlines that could have been condensed were Tony getting shot (the 2-episode dream sequence was so overwritten), Chris's final binge in LA, and Carmela's trip to Paris. Those episodes had some nice moments, but they didn't do much to forward the plot.
|by Anonymous||reply 144||05/19/2020|
Chris always reminded me of the Armenian FOBers from the 80s in Glendale. Leather jacket, jackal face with huge nose, a bovine state and all hairy. I could just see him driving a second hand BMW, snake charmer music blaring, a Marlboro gold in his left hand that he hangs it out the window with a fake Rolex, a smell of pungent cologne to mask his questionable hygiene and cussing at pedestrians crossing on a green light.
|by Anonymous||reply 145||05/19/2020|
Chris is so unattractive. That unibrow does him no favors.
|by Anonymous||reply 146||05/19/2020|
R146, I think Michael Imperioli is a pretty handsome guy, which shows what a good actor he is. He made Christopher thoroughly unlikable.
|by Anonymous||reply 147||05/19/2020|
[quote] I thought the show worked beautifully until the overlong Season 6. It was indeed full of filler, including the egregious Vito gay storyline. If they'd simply had him disappear for a while and then come back and get whacked, cutting out the whole New Hampshire sequence, it would have worked much better. In fact, boiling those 21 episodes down to the standard 13 (or 15 at most) would have gotten rid of most of the fluff and left the series with a tight, devastating final run of episodes. Other plotlines that could have been condensed were Tony getting shot (the 2-episode dream sequence was so overwritten), Chris's final binge in LA, and Carmela's trip to Paris. Those episodes had some nice moments, but they didn't do much to forward the plot.
R144, you're right. I didn't watch "The Sopranos" in real time. I binge-watched it years after the series concluded. You don't notice certain things when you binge-watch it.
As much as I liked some of the stuff you described (New Hampshire, Paris / Rosalie Aprile), I agree they were filler. The one episode that I really didn't like was "Chasing It," in Season 6, Part 2. That was the episode that highlighted how much everybody liked to gamble. Pointless.
|by Anonymous||reply 148||05/19/2020|
Imperiole played a sympathetic character named Spider in Goodfellas.
I think everyone knew a guy named Spider growing up in the 60s & 70s.
|by Anonymous||reply 149||05/19/2020|
I'm now on Season 4 and I can say that the show seems to get better and better as it proceeds. Season 1 really does feel so dated in comparison, even just to Season 2. The writing and characters still seem better written than other comparable shows like Six Feet Under, Breaking Bad, etc. For some reason, with how many characters there are, I'm reminded of Tolstoy. Oh, I also despise Janice, Ralph and can only somewhat tolerate Tony.
|by Anonymous||reply 150||05/19/2020|
Another thing I like about the show is that it never allows you to "love" the characters because it seems (to me) to want to portray these people as they are. It doesn't glamorize them the way some people accuse Goodfellas of doing. You see these characters for all their human qualities--good and bad. So a certain level of distance is maintained.
|by Anonymous||reply 151||05/19/2020|
I've avoided this show for a long time, but I just started binged watching it a few weeks ago, and to my surprise, I find this thread, seeing that I'm not the only one who's doing it! Lol
I completely agree with R130 who said this:
[quote] If David Chase would’ve been honest & made it what it was-essentially an autobiography of his psyche, especially his relationship with his mother, it would've been so much better. In fairness, that was the original intent, IIRC. The mob boss was just a device, almost a metaphor of “this is what we turn into with these mothers”. When viewers responded to the mafia parts, he ended up expanding it. Unfortunately, he didn't adjust the writing accordingly; Tony was still David, even as the mafia life became the centre of the show. Once that happened, & Nancy Marchand died, it was all over. .
I completely agree. The show never recovered after Nancy Marchand's death, IMO. The conflict with Tony and Livia was the foundation of the show. It's kind of shocking that Marchand didn't win an Emmy for her performance, she was phenomenal as Livia.
|by Anonymous||reply 152||05/19/2020|
I love Season 4 because it had the Carmela / Furio stuff playing out. Hilarious.
Actually, R151, I think Tony Soprano was kind of dumbed down. I think he was portrayed as a "teddy bear" a lot of the time.
|by Anonymous||reply 153||05/19/2020|
R153, I see your point but even then, we always know something will happen to make Tony snap and do or say something even worse than the last time. It's a constant cycle with him and it's (I think) a driver of tension on the show. For every scene we see Tony doing something nice, there are at least two or three of him doing something despicable. In this way, the show allows you to like the characters but also prevents us from loving them the way we would, say, Jessie on Breaking Bad.
|by Anonymous||reply 154||05/19/2020|
[quote] The show never recovered after Nancy Marchand's death, IMO. The conflict with Tony and Livia was the foundation of the show.
That's interesting. I never thought of it that way. If Nancy Marchand hadn't died, it would have been interesting to see how her character would have further driven Tony's character. The unloving Italian mother was what made the show interesting & what gave Tony an Achilles' heel (he felt inadequate b/c he could never make his mother love him).
The Janice character was similar to the Livia character, vis-a-vis Tony. Sort of emasculating, I guess.
|by Anonymous||reply 155||05/19/2020|
The Sopranos is Italophobic TRASH.
|by Anonymous||reply 156||05/19/2020|
[quote] The Sopranos is Italophobic TRASH.
|by Anonymous||reply 157||05/19/2020|
They should have recast Livia with one of the Golden Girls.
|by Anonymous||reply 158||05/19/2020|
R148, totally agree about the gambling episode. It was probably the worst one, along with the “Columbus Day” episode.
The show definitely changed after Livia died but it was good in a whole different way. The writing was still witty, characters well developed and believable, but it became even darker and more concerned with existential questions. Tony was an awful person - they all were - but they were written in a way that made you kind of sympathize anyway, enough to be interested in seeing what happened to them.
|by Anonymous||reply 159||05/19/2020|
R159, I agree with you. I think their is only so much they could have done with that mother-son relationship. I think the show got better after she died.
|by Anonymous||reply 160||05/19/2020|
|by Anonymous||reply 161||05/19/2020|
[quote] Tony was an awful person - they all were - but they were written in a way that made you kind of sympathize anyway, enough to be interested in seeing what happened to them.
I see it a bit differently. Tony is often an ok guy, but regularly does truly awful things. There’s good and bad in everyone.
|by Anonymous||reply 162||05/19/2020|
[QUOTE] I completely agree. The show never recovered after Nancy Marchand's death, IMO. The conflict with Tony and Livia was the foundation of the show.
I don’t understand the thinking of people like R152. What exactly were they going to do with Livia next if she stayed on the show? Trying to have her son murdered was clearly the pinnacle. What would she do, try to get him wacked again? Livia’s presence would’ve been further and further reduced to background music before they probably killed her off anyway. God rest Nancy’s soul but the character served its purpose just fine.
|by Anonymous||reply 163||05/20/2020|
It was a fun watch for me when it first came out. Why? Because my family was pretty mobbed up. Only they were the mob of the 1960's sort of like Uncle Junior or even Tony Soprano's mom. When the mob started with drugs it was the beginning of the end.
|by Anonymous||reply 164||05/20/2020|
R163, agreed. I was getting tired of Livia in season 2 and it was obvious they did as much with that story as they could.
|by Anonymous||reply 165||05/20/2020|
According to Chase, if Marchand had lived, Livia's Season 3 plotline was all related to the Scatino bustout airline ticket issue. Her getting arrested at the airport at the end of Season 2 was the set-up for that. Tony would have had to play nice with his mother in an attempt to keep her from testifying against him. Then Marchand died, and that plotline died with it.
|by Anonymous||reply 166||05/20/2020|
To me, R163, it would've pushed Chase and his writers to be more inventive rather than concocting a typical mafia plotline. It was Tony and his relationship to Livia that made the show special from other mafia movies and TV shows that came before it. In all honesty, minus the ingenious device of having a goombah like Tony seeing a psychiatrist for therapy, all the themes and plot points that followed after Livia's death played like a riff off of Scorsese's greatest hits.
I'm sure back in the early aughts, the show felt groundbreaking, but watching it now, it doesn't feel all that original, despite the stellar acting from most of its leading players.
|by Anonymous||reply 167||05/20/2020|
[quote] I think Michael Imperioli is a pretty handsome guy, which shows what a good actor he is. He made Christopher thoroughly unlikable.
I agree. Michael Imperioli was quite attractive on the show and couldn't imagine another actor playing Christopher as superb as him.
|by Anonymous||reply 168||05/20/2020|
[quote] What exactly were they going to do with Livia next if she stayed on the show? Trying to have her son murdered was clearly the pinnacle. What would she do, try to get him wacked again?
That's a good question. Carmela stole money from Tony (from the bird feed storage) and also made steps towards divorce. Both of those things were extreme, in that world. But, I thought the writing was good and they created new stuff for Carmela and Tony to do. Like renegotiate the marriage (spec house, more material things for Carmela, brought out the real mercenary side of Carmela).
|by Anonymous||reply 169||05/20/2020|
Had Livia lived she would've kept attacking Tony until she turned him into the little shrub like her husband. Livia is Gloria Trillo. Livia is Jennifer Melfi. Livia is Carmela. That's who Tony turned to for reassurance to his manhood, and self- esteem. But Livia had already put a poison pill in Anthony that he couldn't change his comfort zone
|by Anonymous||reply 170||05/20/2020|
Suddenly this and other old HBO programs are no longer available on Amazon without an HBO subscription or paying per view.
Looks like the GQ guy screwed it up for everybody.
|by Anonymous||reply 171||Last Thursday at 3:54 AM|
I’m watching The Sopranos on Prime without interruption, R171.
|by Anonymous||reply 172||Last Thursday at 4:09 AM|
I hope it stays that way for you. Yesterday I watched Season Six Ep 15. Today I see :
"Seasons 1-6 included for $14.98 with HBO subscription".
Maybe its Xfinity.
|by Anonymous||reply 173||Last Thursday at 6:23 AM|
I have Fios and I got the same message today, r173.
|by Anonymous||reply 174||Last Thursday at 6:43 AM|
Nope, it's Amazon Prime, too. I watched a few episodes on Prime yesterday, and today you have to either buy the episodes or subscribe to HBO.
Fuckers. I'll just dig out my DVDs and watch those.
|by Anonymous||reply 175||Last Thursday at 6:43 AM|
Wow wtf. That sucks. I actually have every season purchased on iTunes so it’s no big deal, but I preferred Amazon Prime’s UI over Apple TV+. It’s more binge friendly.
|by Anonymous||reply 176||Last Thursday at 5:37 PM|
On Prime, you can skip the theme song. I don't think you can on Hulu.
|by Anonymous||reply 177||Last Thursday at 5:38 PM|
It's not on Canadian Prime.
|by Anonymous||reply 178||Last Thursday at 5:41 PM|
R175, if you have the DVDs, there are a couple of episodes that have a separate "making of" video. E.g., the "Lake House" episode where Bobby Bacala and Tony have the epic, knock-down, drag-out fist fight during a Monopoly game. Steven Schirripa (Bobby Bacala) narrates that one.
|by Anonymous||reply 179||Last Thursday at 5:42 PM|
Confirmed that it's pay-to-watch on Amazon Prime.
|by Anonymous||reply 180||Last Thursday at 9:01 PM|
Isn’t HBO (or HBO Go) allowing it be streamed for free these days? I’m pretty sure they are.
|by Anonymous||reply 181||Last Friday at 6:06 AM|
Not sure it’s still free, but this is from April.
|by Anonymous||reply 182||Last Friday at 6:07 AM|
I love the DVD episodes that have commentary by David Chase. The one on "Army of One" (the episode that features the death of Jackie Jr.) has a really incredible breakdown of the scene where Tony encourages Ralphie to give Jackie Jr. a pass. I never got the undercurrents of the scene (Tony wants Jackie Jr. dead but wants Ralph to bear the moral weight of the decision since Tony has to worry about Meadow's reaction) until I listened to Chase's commentary.
|by Anonymous||reply 183||Last Friday at 6:17 AM|
It was free until like a day ago. I was watching it on prime for free for about a week and then yesterday, It asks me to pay per episode or for the whole season. Hope this isn't the case for The Wire too!
|by Anonymous||reply 184||Last Friday at 7:25 AM|
[quote] It was indeed full of filler, including the egregious Vito gay storyline.
I remember driving past that skeevy motel in Ft Lee for years on the approach to the GW Bridge. When the Sopranos was airing I thought “Why don’t they use this skeeve motel on the show? It’s perfect.” Finally in season 6 they whacked Vito there. But they didn’t use it to its full glory. They filmed it at night. In daylight, the motel was much more skank looking.
I’m sure it’s been torn down by now
|by Anonymous||reply 185||Last Friday at 8:02 AM|
All HBO shows yanked from Prime. The streaming wars totally suck.
|by Anonymous||reply 186||Last Friday at 5:35 PM|
On May 27, HBO Max is being launched. Wonder if that has something to do with it
|by Anonymous||reply 187||Last Friday at 5:41 PM|
R170 Gloria and the Polish/ Armenian gumada were representations of Livia. Carmela was the one thing Tony 'did well with', Melfi said as much when she told Tony that he'd never divorce her, she may leave him but his ego wouldn't let the one woman he chose well go and dent his ego.
Janice took up Livias role, the episode Soprano Home Movies does a great job of showing that toxic dynamic.
|by Anonymous||reply 188||Last Friday at 5:58 PM|
I loved that they used Fountains of Wayne in the show. It used to be on a little overpass you took to get to the Wayne NJ mall. I loved that place. I remember when the episode aired all these people said “Hey that place is named after the band!” Nahhhh. Other way around.
I loved reading the recaps on TWoP
|by Anonymous||reply 189||Last Friday at 6:02 PM|
[quote] Gloria and the Polish/ Armenian gumada were representations of Livia.
Who is the "Polish/Armenian" gumada?
Svetlana was one of my favorite characters; she was Russian. She was the cousin of Irina, Tony's first gumar. The actress who played Irina could not act, though, as witnessed in the episode where Tony beat up councilman Zellman.
|by Anonymous||reply 190||Last Friday at 6:18 PM|
I meant Irina, not sure why I mixed up her nationality.
But she was another 'black hole of misery'. (Never liked Tony whipping the politician he worked with when she got with him later on).
|by Anonymous||reply 191||Last Friday at 7:10 PM|
Someone mentioned above a gay storyline with Vito's character so I went and checked out a few YT clips. Pretty darn cringey, especially the scene where he gets caught in the bar and tries to pass it off as "just a joke". You'd think someone hiding their sexuality for a long period of time would be more "prepared" than that, they should know what to say by now should the ever be faced with a scenario where they might be "exposed". Closeted men know the drill and one who's involved in the Mafia would undoubtedly be more discreet about it. Those clips were loathsome but not as much as the homophobic comments underneath. Hardly surprising such a show would attract a ugly fan base of homophobic trash. I suppose that's the majority? Idk... And of course they're perverted lesbian fetishists too... (eyeroll)
|by Anonymous||reply 192||Last Friday at 8:16 PM|
What would be your excuse as a captain in a Mafia family being caught dancing in a gay bar while wearing a leather motorcycle outfit? He was distraught and intoxicated.
|by Anonymous||reply 193||Last Saturday at 5:03 AM|
[quote] Never liked Tony whipping the politician he worked with when she got with him later on
I hated that too. After Tony gave that guy his blessing that it was OK. I just finished Season 5.
SPOILER ALERT: Fuck Tony, Silvio and especially Christopher for killing Adriana! She didn't deserve that. Probably the most genuinely nice of all the cast of characters. I guess we shouldn't be surprised Christopher threw her under the bus since he beat her up like 1000 times.
|by Anonymous||reply 194||Last Saturday at 7:55 AM|
R194 I agree and think Christophers blah-oops-baby-mama turned wife belongs in the fuck them list you've started.
*Spoiler (?)* Also I really hated Phil Leotardo, was a brutal but effective scene where Tony used the bar step to crack one of Phils guys skull in two by the jaw for speaking inappropriately to Meadow.
|by Anonymous||reply 195||Last Saturday at 10:53 AM|