Dead To Me Netflix Season II

Lord, that pic is unflattering.

Has Christina had work done to her face?

Oh boy, we are doing a soaps identical twin twist?

That's a choice.

Frances Conroy!

No more James Marsden?

R5 (OP & R3)

R1 They are supposed to be underwater, dead, dead to me.

Katy Segal!

The older son's shirtless in Episode 5.

R9 The older son is none other than offspring of teen heartthrob Andrew McCarthy, not known for any beef cake, but the son has potential.

Binged watch it today with my boyfriend. It was fun and hope there will be a third season. Tomorrow we are watching Upload.

R11 I really enjoyed Upload, it’s like an extended Black Mirror with more humor and heart.

R10, really? I had no idea.

Wow, no one's watching? Even the Hollywood thread had 100 replies by this time last Friday.

You are gonna compare this thread to a Ryan Murphy show r14?

Ryan Murphy shows are DL catnip, they always generate a ton of posts here.

Just got to the lesbian storyline!

If nothing else, the fillers and botox is definitely a bit distracting to her acting r2.

But at least sexy James Marsden is back

Good writing would have referenced a twin brother in season 1, clearly the writers just pulled this stunt out of their ass as a way to keep James Marsden around.

But still, I am enjoying his presence in the cast, so I begrudgingly will go with it.

I was getting worried though as Marsden seemed to be getting killed off on all his shows, so I’m happy he’s back. Nice touch the storyline of him having chest surgery as a kid and being scared and her mastectomy.

Is Natalie Morales Netflix's go to actress for lesbian roles? She played the weirdo Christian lesbo in Santa Clarita Diet?

Granted it's been a while since I've seen season 1, but did Linda Tortellini's character have lesbo tendencies before?

This season is dark and hilarious!

There is no reference to her being bisexual in season 1 r22, but it fits, and I like how casually the whole thing was handled.

If Christina Applegate doesn’t win an Emmy for this season then my name is not Kim Fong Toi!

Is Christina Applegate still with the woman she married?

R26 probably not.

Finished the season, it is a fun watch but how long are they really going to drag this out?

The cliff hanger ending with the James Mardsen twin drunkenly hitting them is a weak attempt to contrive more drama. It's okay to just tell a story and end it at the natural conclusion.

Ew! Spoiler, David!

Wait, Christina Applegate's a lesbian?

R30, no, but she married a woman in the 90s, before she was with Schaech.

Cardinelli has to be a stealthbian, though.

R32 She has pinged by gaydar since Freak and Geeks.

Hey Girl

Christina’s teen son in this is freaking HOT!

He was also only 17 when he filmed this season, not a great look.

Cardellini pings so hard that I couldn’t see how her character and Don Draper were fucking on “Mad Men”. I think that was one of the only characters who I didn’t believe. Hers, and the creepy kid Glenn.

It was meh. Marsden isn't aging well.

R37, I found the LC/Don Draper storyline off putting as well. I fast forwarded through all their scenes.

Dead to Me Season 2 was terrific. I found it more satisfying than 1 and appreciated the recurrent themes presented. There is a karmic cycle that is simple yet elegant: Loss for 1, Deceit by 2 of 1 while getting emotionally involved with 1, Loss for 2 by 1. Season One— 1 is Jen, 2 is Judy. Season Two— 1 is Ben, 2 is Jen.

If the pattern holds—Season Three—1 is Jen, 2 is Ben. Ben will spend the season getting closer to Jen while deceiving her about the accident. I am not sure if the cycle will be fulfilled by the revelation that Jen killed Steve or with Jen or Judy unwittingly harming Ben’s mom.

It’s probably more sophisticated and complex than I grasp, but I love it when shows telegraph where they’re headed while remaining compelling along the way.

They deserve all the Emmys.

Of all the lesbians in Laguna....

I hope the grandma (Valerie Mehaffey) gets killed in season 3.

Very meh. Were the writers and director the same as season 1? All they did was drink and cry in S2. Not interested in S3 if there is one. Very disappointing.

Lesbian makeout scenes? PASS.

What I loved about season 1 was its focus on character. Season 2 seems to be all about plot and it's much involving.

I thought the writing was very strong.

But I had to laugh at Marsden saying all the weight he put on went to his ass -- because he hasn't one.

That notwithstanding, he is adorable.

This scene was so silly.

They have just fucked.

But she drags the bedspread -- bedspread -- into the bathroom to cover up her nakedness. And panics that she might see his dick, so he immediately grabs a pillow.

They should just rename this show "The Christina Applegate Crying Hour". Jen is a total sad sack, angry and unlikeable character. I found her really tedious and that they could have spent more time on some of the supporting characters and developed their storylines. I probably won't tune in for Season 3.

Jen is fucking hilarious r48

Do you think it's weird to cater this vigil?

Maybe since it's for someone you just killed.

Just finished binge-watching the season and LOVED it. Super-fun soapy melodrama with a lot of dry asides. Loved Perez, happy to see Jere Burns (however briefly) pop up, and can't wait for season three... which, given the state of the world, might be a long time coming.

I’m kinda loving Shandy. She needs to have a spin-off.

Am I the only one who had to LOL that "Peggy Bundy" plays Cardinelli's mom on "Kelly Bundy's" show?

Yeah, Shandy is perfect.

I think Shandy is ripe to end up dead next season.

^^^No, they will use Shandy to help hide the bodies.

[quote]No, they will use Shandy to help hide the bodies.

Agreed. I feel like Shandy is a fount of knowledge on such matters. And that she'd be happy to pitch in.

Hoping Shandy will totaly play a bigger role in upcoming episodes. That kid is a future serial killer or mortician.

I like pretending Jen’s real name is Sue Ellen and her mother died a few years after leaving her behind all summer with an elderly babysitter that died and she had to take care of her bratty younger siblings . I hope her friend Rose will show up in season 3.

R36 He is 18 now. Who knew Andrew McCarthy would procreate such a fucking hottie. He played a dumb straight teen soo well also, not that it would be hard since he probably is one but he has potential for a big career.

Just finished episode 5, enjoying it so far. Both actresses remain are excellent, with Applegate a particular delight. Their scene at Whispers and Winks (tears followed by Applegate’s fury) was outstanding. “Learn to read the room, Fucko! What the FUCK is wrong with people?!”

And the “Hey, girl!” moments always crack me up.

It’s a shame there will probably be no Emmys this year (or will there be?) because Christina Applegate deserves it and with no fucking fleabag or Mrs Maisel she probably would have it in the bag.

[quote]Christina Applegate deserves it and with no fucking fleabag or Mrs Maisel she probably would have it in the bag.

Hang on...

R63 different categories

R63 I mean right? They don’t enter Ozark as a dark comedy do they?

^^ Right! I keep forgetting DtM is a comedy! Dur.

R66 I think Laura Linney deserves it for drama but the emmys love the Crown and Colman was good as well.

R67 Really? Claire’s shoes were a big fill, and like someone mentioned In a thread here she didn’t hit her stride until the later episodes. But then again they do a submit by scene and not based on series whole right? If they do that one about the town being buried by avalanche she will be hard to beat. The real life tragedy will add a leading edge to the performance that a completely scripted show can’t beat.

R68 It will come down to Colman’s Aberfan episode and Linney’s brothers death episode. It will be a close call. my vote is for Linney.

R69 Is it the whole episode that is submitted or a certain timeframe of twenty minutes or so? There was some good stuff with Linney, but I feel like there were a few iffy moments in there are well in that episode?

Christina’s innate bitterness makes me sad and kind of uncomfortable. She reminds me a lot of The Ex of one of my close friends.

I've just realized why I (and perhaps others in this thread) love Shandy so much: she is the embodiment of DL icon The Weird Little Girl Next Door!

If she kisses a doll or mentions King Kong next season, we'll know someone on the production team is a Datalounger.

R72, yes! I feel like I know how next season will open & Shandy will be featured. I don’t want to spoil season 2 and the finale, so I’ll save my S.3 E.1 ‘treatment’ for later.

I understood the irony and cleverness, but did not appreciate the surprise cliffhanger at the end.

Same r74. I groaned.

I wonder if we started a ‘Dead to me’ with “SPOILERS!” thread we could talk openly about the show’s plot lines & such?

Even if they were in the same category, Linney would beat Applegate simply because she was working with better material.

I've often wondered how Dead to Me would play as a gritty drama. Sometimes the goofy comedy feels forced, especially when Jen and Judy are at their most vulnerable.

Well to be fair to Christina, Linney would beat out practically any other actress.

Same R75! Loved the entire season until the last scene!

I gave this a shot after reading this thread and I loved it. Applegate is executive producer as well which is kind of shocking because I never would have imagined Kelly Bundy would ever achieve something like this.

R79 If you only knew her as “Kelly Bundy” that is understandable. If you knew Christina as “Sue Ellen Crandall “ you would know she had serious talent.

Linney is a mannered ham. She’s unwatchably bad.

Does anyone know if they shot season 3 already? Will be strange if they picked up season 3 right after the end scene of season 2 and the Henry actor grew a foot and had a voice change overnight.

I'm with you r74 and r75! I was the first to complain about the ending!

R82, no way they already shot S3. They and many series will likely have to recast child actors...and senior actors and fat actors...

They haven't even greenlit a season 3, R82.

R85 It’s been number one all week since release day and ended on a cliffhanger. Seems like a no brainer to me. On the other hand Ryan Murphy’s new show is almost out of the top ten already.

Esquire loves JAMES Marsden.

We thought it was a no brainer too, R86.

Those of you who say Linda Cardellini pings, you do know that "Forgetting Sarah Marshall" was about her, right?

She also had a weird thing going on with Bill Murray.

R89. Please explain both of your statements.

Loved Season II! Finally finished up with it.

The one character they can remove is the youngest son, IMO, who doesn't add very much. At least the painful Christian children's chorus storyline is over.

R91 Maybe Henry was in the backseat, and died. Would be a convenient way to start the storyline from the ending of season 2 and not have the kid look like a teenager overnight since he’s 13 now.

R90 Cardellini dated Jason Segel after freaks and geeks. Segel has said a lot of the movie Forgetting Sarah Marshall is based on their breakup (including the nude breakup scene where he hangs dong)

It's annoying how Jason made Linda the villain in that situation. He was literally just sitting around doing drugs and occasionally cheating on her not working, etc. Then he makes that fantasy of a movie and gets a bunch of jobs. He still just sits around doing drugs and occasionally cheating tho.

Poor Karen. As if her role wasn't lame enough and her name wasn't already unfortunate, she now gets cheated on by her closeted gay husband.

Charming interview — her Paul McCartney story is sweet. And after seeing her outstanding work on “Dead to Me”, how adorable she is was on “Samantha Who?” and the fact that she managed to stay the course with Neil Simon in “Sweet Charity”, I’m inclined to agree with Colbert’s assessment that she is a National Treasure!

..how adorable she WAS (not ‘is was’ — oh dear!) on “Samantha Who?”

r96, she was very charming in that interview.

R94 Jason got a bunch of work after landing How I Met Your Mother. Forgetting Sarah Marshall just helped.

The teen son is cute but far from hot. As usual DL acts like horny old 60 year olds.

[quote]As usual DL acts like horny old 60 year olds.

As opposed to horny young 60 year olds?

Hmmn. I thought the second season had some good moments, especially from Applegate/Cardellini towards the end. I thought the FBI agent was good as well. I also like how the lesbian romance was developed (it challenged my assumptions in how I thought it was going to play out). I just wasn't as invested in the overall plot-line. I don't think it was as well designed as the first season. The ending had a good twist, but I'm unsure how they'll milk a whole quality season out of it. I may have to check out.

Frances Conroy was sleepwalking through her lines.

I agree r103, she was underutilized!

I always thought Christina Applegate would make a good younger version of Patsy Stone.

[quote] Is Natalie Morales Netflix's go to actress for lesbian roles?

Besides Santa Clarita Diet she also was the bi bartender in a one season network sitcom she she starred in. I like her onscreen quite a lot but she is one of those people who call themselves Queer. She obviously has issues.

Honestly every time I see her I think she’s Rosario Dawson.

Orange wine!

I can't believe Frances Conroy stooped to this.

I hope there’s a gay storyline for the oldest son next season.

r105, Christina is currently older than Joanna Lumley was when Absolutely Fabulous hit the airwaves in 1992. She was born in 1946, so she was 46 at the time. Christina is 48.

[quote] Honestly every time I see her I think she’s Rosario Dawson.

Except with a concave face.

PS: that backyard bartender show was the absolute worst!

I didn't feel much chemistry between Judy and her female love interest. I think Judy is in love w/Jen.

I finished season 2 earlier. It’s an easy watch and I like the characters but I wish they’d slow things down a little. They’ve been heavy with the twists and turns.

I really wish Cristina Applegate could be my BFF. x

Their faces are airbrushed into oblivion in the OP.

I was thinking the same thing, r115. In OP's photo Applegate has creepy doll eyes.

I actively think Judy had the better (and more difficult)role.

James Marsden hit the old age hall between seasons. His face and neck look strani(though i stilt would, of course)

The bed scene actually makes sense here for Christina, as an almost 50 woman with regrets. Hames covering his cock with a pillow not so much.

I didn't like Season 2 as much as Season 1. So many ridiculous coincidences and the completely stupid identical twin brother plot device.

The acting is great, but everything else was all just a little too much. It became exhausting to watch.

[quote] Maybe Henry was in the backseat, and died. Would be a convenient way to start the storyline from the ending of season 2 and not have the kid look like a teenager overnight since he’s 13 now.

About a month ago, the cast did a virtual table-read of Season ONE's first episode (to promote drop of S2). I didn't watch it until after I binged S2 this weekend. I don't know how long ago they completed filming S2....but I was somewhat surprised that the kid who plays Henry really didn't look any different than he did in the finale. Granted, he was seated -- so I'm sure he's taller -- but facially, he didn't look noticeably older.

Sam McCarthy, OTOH, does look older than he did in S2 finale. And more like his father. Could be the longer, quarantine hair.

I love this show. Thanks for the info that the older son is Andrew McCarthy’s (BLAINE!!!!!!!). Speaking of hitting the age wall, what’s going on with Linda Cardellini. She is full of wrinkles and deep ones this season, especially around her mouth. Bulimia? She has always been cute but now something’s up. Is she a smoker? I admire Christina Applegate for not going nuts on the plastic surgery. She looks good/ her age - but good. Love the detective... salty bitch! She’s more interesting than her ex. Marsden is still cute but needs to lay off the tanning and refresh a little. The hotel episode was my favorite.

One of my favorite "little" things about DEAD TO ME has been the FACTS OF LIFE references! The debate about whether Jen is a "Blair" or "Jo"......"I think I'm a Tootie".....and "Wouldn't you like to have a Mrs. Garrett in your life?" Perfect! I was DYING!! (You know Liz Feldman was all over the Blair/Jo "thing" as a teenager).

[quote]I hope the grandma (Valerie Mehaffey) gets killed in season 3.

I think her character will be get offed for being in some shady real estate dealings.

Can trash be delicious? I feel dirty after watching this dreck. Also can't believe all the pedos jizzing in their pants about Andrew McCarthy's son. Yech.

^^ If not "offed", I think it will be revealed that she's somehow involved with the Police Chief (Jere Burns) & Greek mafia.

Liz Feldman's career trajectory is interesting. She started out as a writer on All That, then Two Broke Girls, then she ended up writing for Ellen, who produced Feldman's sitcom One Big Happy. Did anyone see it?

I preferred the 1st season because it had more comedy and less drama & romance.

p.s. Christina Applegate says she still wathces FOL on cable. Which makes me love her even more.....

When do we find out if this show gets renewed for S3?

I think Netflix allows 3 months or so for people to watch and get a good idea of a rating. Unless they go by their business model and cancel it after 2 seasons.

R129 I thought the model was three seasons and cancel?

R130 Yes, that's how the Netflix asshole execs do it.

Except if you're a lesbian prison show.

Renewed for a third and final season. Right call to end it with the next one.

r120, Linda has eczema, which flares up around her mouth when she's stressed out. Actors put unnatural stress on their bodies in intense emotional scenes, and I've seen it manifest in eczema, breakouts and colds the very next day. This season was heavy on the crying scenes. Plus she doesn't do any fillers or botox, unlike 98% of actresses over 40..