Lily Tomlin walks off the Dick Cavett Show

Whoa. THAT is repellant. Good for her.

Chad Everett was so hot.

Repulsive, I meant. Have not yet had coffee. And that comment kills off any hotness he once had. What a pig.

Chad Everett was hot, but he was a jerk without a script. I saw this when it happened!

I guess that was the view by a lot of men back then. Lily was totally right to walk off. Kinda of a hot daddy though...

I also know now that Chad was an alcoholic of massive proportions (it ruined his career), and you can tell he's drunk here. Guess he couldn't lay off for even an hour.

I love that she clarified, then left. No bickering. No giving him the opportunity to justify his views.

And no accident that Everett immediately said, "She likes being taken care of by a man. She doesn't want to be taken care of by a woman." It was a dig at then-closeted Lily, who was open in her professional life.

He was hot, but WHAT A JERK.

R7, That was totally a dig at Lily being gay. Chad was a big ol' homophobe.

Lily wasn't closeted, she never pretended to have a boyfriend or to be dating men - even years later when senile DL fave Larry King asked her about her male dates. In 1972, no actor/entertainer was out in today's sense of the term. Not even Charles Nelson Reilly.

I stopped following Cavett on Twitter when he started defending Woody Allen, then deleting the tweets when he got a little criticism. Then he claimed to know all about the Farrows' personal lives, but didn't even know how to spell their names.

It was tense from the get go. I wonder if something happened backstage. Lily barely acknowledges him when he walks out.

Two interesting facts gleaned from Wikipedia:

1. His agent was Henry Wilson (!)

2. He remained married to the wife he 'owned" for 45 years until the day she died.

If you watch enough Cavett you see what a giant jerk HE was.

[quote]His agent was Henry Wilson

So we know that dick got the suck job.

From his LA Time obit:

A conservative Republican, Everett made headlines in 1972 after going toe to toe with Lily Tomlin on “The Dick Cavett Show.” Tomlin, a feminist, became outraged after Everett referred to his wife, horse and dog as his “property.” A 1977 Time magazine profile on Tomlin says she was so infuriated that she “stunned even herself” by storming off the set.

Another interesting fact, R13, a long running paternity suit.

"I guess that was the view by a lot of men back then"

Everett's comments were meant to be a joke, and , yes, most men thought jokes like that were funny at the time. Notice by the audience's reaction the joke was past its expiration date. I don't think anything happened in the green room between them, I think Chad was nervous being on the same stage with a known feminist, and people above his intellectual level. This was the Dick Cavett Show, not Merv Griffin. None of his jokes went over well. He came off like an idiot even when Lily was off the stage.

What did he say? I want to avoid the cringe watch.

"I have to leave." Perfect. His comment spoke for itself. She said all she needed to say.

Sorry, nm, the last two comments loaded in after I sent my question.

It’s a crude thing to say but a lot of guys joked like that back then.

Storming off the set? Notice the spin. Lily calmly walked off. No storm.

What was the deal with the paternity test that showed he was the father of a boy that actress Sheila Scott gave birth to in 1973, but the court said they decided he wasn't really the dad?

In the 1990s Sheila Scott was convicted of harassing Chad Everett in part because she said he fathered her son. I mean, if the paternity test says he did, then he did, why did the court say otherwise?

[quote] It was tense from the get go. I wonder if something happened backstage. Lily barely acknowledges him when he walks out.

She smiles at him until he kisses her hand, then you can see her attitude change immediately, but she's still polite.

Walking off Dick Cavett was a thing to do in the 70s.

I liked William F Buckley better who threatened to punch people in the face on Cavett's show..

I admire Lily for doing this but wish she also felt this strongly about the queerbaiting on her show.

"1973, but the court said they decided he wasn't really the dad?"

Everett was not the "dad," he never met the kid. He was the biological father.

Who's for hanging Chad?

It's odd that he is crying after she does this. And then slams her for being a lez.

He played a gay cop in that famous Cold Case episode where they find out his murdered partner had been shot by his own father. A real tearjerker.

[quote]I admire Lily for doing this but wish she also felt this strongly about the queerbaiting on her show.

Drop dead, tranny.

[quote]A real tearjerker.

And yet, my tears remained unjerked.

He had a thing for lesbians, apparently.

That was disgusting.

I still want to time travel and have him fuck me like one of his farm animals

Even as an old man Chad was hot.

I would have walked off, too. Right after I sucked him off.

He reminds me a little of the guy who played Agarn in F-Troop. He’s got that same Neanderthal face.

R32 She was hot here

What an airhead Everett was.And babbling on incessantly,he’s really boring too!Cute,but dim.Lily did the right thing.

She acted like a pussy. You don't walk off the stage and through a hissy fit. You fight back.

Chads are always douches.

How did Cavett get such good guests? It's kind of amazing how many iconic people he got to sit down and chat.

R41 His was the "prestige" show because he was regarded as an intellectual.

Although I don't think Chad was such a great get.

[quote]Everett referred to his wife, horse and dog as his “property.”

Lilly should have asked him which one he was sleeping with.

[quote] You don't walk off the stage and through a hissy fit.

Through?

[quote]Notice by the audience's reaction the joke was past its expiration date.

That's the first thing I noticed. And he still continued down that path to make it clear he was degrading his wife.

She should have said, "if you like animals so much, here pet my pussy!"

"His agent was Henry Wilson"

I did not know that. Willson renamed all his boys those camp names. Did anyone really buy- even back then- anyone named "Rock"?

[quote]Lilly should have asked him which one he was sleeping with.

Ouch.

[quote]I also know now that Chad was an alcoholic of massive proportions (it ruined his career), and you can tell he's drunk here. Guess he couldn't lay off for even an hour.

I don't think he seems drunk in the Cavett clip, but he sure does come across as a neanderthal idiot. But damn, he was hot. I was recently watching his brief appearance in THE CHAPMAN REPORT, which was directed by....George Cukor. Chad plays quite the slab of beef in it, a water delivery guy (!!!) who almost f$*ks a nymphomaniac woman played by Claire Bloom after she comes on to him when he's delivering to her home, but then she stops it at the last minute. Sure wish the movie had been made a few years later so we could have seen him actually pound her -- he looks smoking hot in his few minutes on screen.

I was aware that Henry Wilson was Chad's agent, I believe Chad was the last actor to sign with him. Interesting, though not surprising, that when Chad tells Cavett how he was named, he doesn't mention Wilson at all but instead mentions another studio exec named William (Bill) Orr.

I agree that, given his association with people like Wilson and Cukor, it's likely that Chad gave it up at some point. Of course, maybe they just liked his looks but didn't actually demand sex.

Yeah, but Lily didn't return and pour water over his head.

I forgive Chad. He was too hot to stay mad at. If some 300 lb diesel dyke looking woman said the same thing about her man, Lily would have laughed it up.

"Lilly should have asked him which one he was sleeping with."

Joan Rivers would have.

Lily is cock starved and needs a pinga.

Cavett really didn't know how to react to Chad's sexism, since he was so insecure about his own sexuality, being so petite and erudite. The right thing would've been to kick Everett off the show and have Lily come back on.

About the time he appeared in the Chapman Report, Chad was a regular at Cukor's infamous all-male swim parties. That was where Old Hollywood fags could meet the fresh, young meat in town.

God I love youtube. Being a HUGE Tomlin fan I had always heard of this incident.

Never thought I get to watch it.

Thank you youtube.

He's at the end of a long coke bender there.

*Did anyone really buy- even back then- anyone named "Rock"?*

I don't see what you're asking.

R49, he WAS super cute when he was young, and quite handsome later on too. However, Chad developed a bloat toward the end of Medical Center, and retained a chunky old guy with a gut look in his forties and beyond. It must of been the booze. Later, after getting clean and having plastic surgery, he was quite the handsome older man. But he wasted his prime on liquor. There could have been something big after Medical Center because Everett was quite a good actor, as good as say Robert Redford (I said good, not great). I assume Everett was unreliable because of drink and no one would hire him.

"She acted like a pussy. You don't walk off the stage and through a hissy fit. You fight back."

You're the pussy, R39. You obviously didn't watch the video. No one was THROWING a fit of any kind, douche bag.

[quote] About the time he appeared in the Chapman Report, Chad was a regular at Cukor's infamous all-male swim parties. That was where Old Hollywood fags could meet the fresh, young meat in town.

Intriguing. Tell me more c

“Lily Tomlin walks off the Dick Cavett Show“

It’s not the only time I walked away from Dick.

Chad Everett used to host "Master's Theater" on the Trinity Broadcasting Network, where he would introduce Christian movies. So how did he reconcile his love for Jesus with sucking Henry Willson's cock for work.

? (question mark)

Chad must've spent his entire career sucking cock -- Henry Willson, George Cukor, Pat Robertson ...

Chad Everett used to host erectal dysfunction infomercials for some natural remedy after he got sober.

Interesting that his voice is still so familiar to me just from watching Medical Center as a small kid over 40 years ago.

What a dick. Good for Lily for walking off--you could see how much it threw him in the close-up right after.

God Dick Cavett is a lousy interviewer.

I just watched the Lily interview parts and he's just cringeworthy.

He had great guests but wasted so many opportunities.

[quote] I admire Lily for doing this but wish she also felt this strongly about the queerbaiting on her show.

You being an exhausting drama queen saying this over and over in every possible thread will never make it true.

Henry Willson, not Wilson.

Lilly was a lot more patient during Richard Pryor's homophobic meltdown at the Hollywood Bowl.

I hate when I see something unpleasant concerning someone I like. I had a crush on him as a kid and thought he was HAF in Mulholland Drive. But he was being an ass here and if he was, in fact, a fan of Lily's he would have known that that would be offensive to her.

[quite]God Dick Cavett is a lousy interviewer.

He really was pretty awful.. But at the time he was considered hip. His show wasn't glitzy show-biz like the Tonight Show. So he really attracted a lot of very cool guests.

But even Merv Griffin and Mike Douglas, as cloying as they could be, were better than Cavett.

[quote]God Dick Cavett is a lousy interviewer.

He really was pretty awful.. But at the time he was considered hip. His show wasn't glitzy show-biz like the Tonight Show. So he really attracted a lot of very cool guests.

But even Merv Griffin and Mike Douglas, as cloying as they could be, were better than Cavett.

"God Dick Cavett is a lousy interviewer. I just watched the Lily interview parts and he's just cringeworthy."

Cavett was a conversation interviewer. He started a conversation and got a question in here and there. I HATED him and his show in the 1970s. Never could understand the Cavett worship from critics, I guess he was the anti-Carson. And if you want cringe worthy, you should have seen his monologue at the beginning of the show. At the time I couldn't figure out what Cavett was, later on I learned he somehow was a comedian.

Notice how nasty he is to Debbie Reynolds starting at 2:30.

Chad Everett was a GOD

Women can't take the pressure (except for Margaret Thatcher) and this proves it.

Chad looks like ass in this clip.

[quote]Chad developed a bloat toward the end of Medical Center, and retained a chunky old guy with a gut look in his forties and beyond. It must of been the booze.

R49, he must have gone on the wagon and hit the gym between the end of Medical Center and 1976/78, because he was VERY trim and fit on Centennial. No puffiness about the face, no bloat of any kind.

R75 He was snippy because he was afraid that Debbie was alluding to rumors of him being gay. And he wanted to fire a warning shot.

Like Debbie had any room in her closet to store rumors about other people...

Probably because he'd admitted to sucking cock at times, R70, and she recognized a guy who was having trouble coming to terms with his past and who he was.

That’s the kind of compliment only a gay bottom would appreciate.

Why bother, R39 and R77? It'd be like debating a Deplorable.

“Gee that was a disturbing thing to do. I’m sorry she did that.”

This was in the early 70s. Nowadays, it’s not unusual to hear a woman say “I have three kids. A boy, a girl and my husband”.

While I give Lily credit for leaving in a non-confrontational manner, people are always going to say stupid shit.

Right, R86. But standing in the check-out line at Walmart or sitting at your family dinner table on Thanksgiving is entirely different that being on national television with that shit going on next to you. Millions are watching and waiting to see what you do. You have to choose carefully how to respond.

I was a teen in the late 60s and early 70s, and every time I was in the drugstore I saw Chad's face plastered on the covers of the movie and tv fan magazines. I knew that the middle-aged fraus swooned over him, but I thought he was creepy, the same vibes I got from watching Bob Crane on Hogan's Heroes, who turned out to be a legendary perv.

Threads like these are why I frequent DL.

I would have rather seen her be quick on her feet and taken a dig at him like something r43 suggested. Debbie Reynolds (speaking of her) was the type to be able to bat right back with a subtle dig. I don’t think Lily was light on her feet in that way generally speaking.

I could have laughed off the first remark but the “taken care of by a woman” remark was pretty nasty and unforgivable. Would he have said that even if she hadn’t walked off?

Well, Hello and how are you

In this video, Chad reminds me of Brad Pitt. Not personality wise, but they look similar and have the similar mannerisms

Chad barely had a career after Medical Center because he was an asshole

Hollywood excuses almost anyone for anything. If they thought he was an asshole back then, he must have really been a piece of shit

[quote]I would have rather seen her be quick on her feet and taken a dig at him like something [R43] suggested. Debbie Reynolds (speaking of her) was the type to be able to bat right back with a subtle dig.

But when you do that, you take a risk that the situation might deteriorate very badly and very quickly, in front of a TV audience. Everett's remark was SO stupid and insensitive that I think maybe Lily made the right decision in walking off and absenting herself from the situation.

Of course, if Lily had stayed and things had gotten really ugly, they could always have stopped and edited that part out, then filled in with other stuff if necessary.

Lily proved Tchad right.

[quote]Nowadays, it’s not unusual to hear a woman say “I have three kids. A boy, a girl and my husband”. ...people are always going to say stupid shit.

There's a big difference between jokingly acknowledging that the average white straight American male is brought up to be a big baby who wants a mommywife to take care of him, and calling your wife and children property like you can buy and sell them.

[quote]Everett's remark was SO stupid and insensitive that I think maybe Lily made the right decision in walking off and absenting herself from the situation.

He very much seemed like he wanted things to escalate and I suspect she knew that, consciously or not.

Reading about the woman who sued him for paternity in 1973, it really looks like he had a fling with a mentally ill woman who got pregnant, he abandoned her and refused to acknowledge the kid, and used the sexist, star-struck LA court system to harass her and disavow his own son. She clearly needed professional help but he made the situation worse.

He also bragged about calling his teenage daughters into his bedroom to tell them he was going to get sober in his own home and force them to watch so they learned a lesson about alcohol. His daughters in their 20s told People that he was composing romantic poems to them and had their whole lives.

He was fucked right the hell up.

[quote]Lily wasn't closeted

In public she did a bit of dancing around the issue. Which I an understand.

How did Cavett get such good guests? It's kind of amazing how many iconic people he got to sit down and chat.

There were only three networks and two late night shows. Either you did Carson or Cavett.

[quote]Notice how nasty he is to Debbie Reynolds starting at 2:30.

There wasn't a nasty moment in all those 7 minutes, They were playing, she started it. You are very sensitive aintcha?

^^ Sorry, the comment about the wig was something a nasty queen would say in a bar.

Debbie Reynolds was a foul-mouthed cunt and closeted dyke. She is no example of how anyone should handle anything. She was only marginally talented and everything she ever had she owed to "Singing in the Rain." And had she been two years older or two years younger, she probably wouldn't have even had that. That film came along at exactly the right moment to capture the very best of her. After that, a long and dead-common slide into mediocrity.

Still mad about me after all these years Dick aka r101?

Imagine being on Datalounge and complaining about someone being gay and using profanity.

[quote]She was only marginally talented and everything she ever had she owed to "Singing in the Rain."

And she complained about Gene Kelly not being nice to her. He made her performance.

[quote]I saw this when it happened!

Damn you must be over 100!

Debbie Reynolds didn't just have Singing in the Rain.

Millions of little girls were called Tammy because of her movies about Tammy.

Since Chad immediately "went there" with the lesbian comment, Lily was wise to just leave.

If he had done that with her sitting next to him, it would have been very uncomfortable for her.

Because, in spite of what some of you say, she was NOT "out" then and would have found defending being a lesbian on national TV difficult.

Lighten up. He was being attention getting on purpose. Then he read a poem and said she owned him too. How do you think people get on these shows? Being squeaky wheels and demanding attention. Which is exactly what Lily did by walking off.

I imagine he has a bit of Asperger's. Crispin Glover is a high IQ attendee of the Mirman School (a school that requires a 140 IQ score to enter) and I haven't seen a more cringeworthy performance.

I don't know why people have to make such judgmental condemnations of others. They're fumbling through life same as anyone else.

[quote]I don't know why people have to make such judgmental condemnations of others.

Welcome to Datalounge!

[quote] *Did anyone really buy- even back then- anyone named "Rock"?*

Many mocked it. That's why they have the "Dash Riprock" character on "The Beverly Hillbillies."

That being said, it was the Henry Willson name "Troy Donahue" that popularized the boy's name 'Troy." That seemed like an equally ridiculous boy's name before he came along. Why "Troy" caught on and "Tab" and "Rock" remained ridiculous I cannot tell you. (I think, though, that "Troy" is not nearly so hard a name to live up to as "Rock")

You could tell even from the get-go he was nervous.

He looked awful with that facial hair.

[quote]Did anyone really buy- even back then- anyone named "Rock"?*

Sure.

Although Hudson wasn't Italian, lots of Italian-American men were named Rocco back then. They were called Rocky or Rock.

Rocky Marciano, Rocky Graziano, Rocky Colavito, Rocky Castellani. And non Italians too: Knute Rockne was called Rock. Rocky Nelson. Rocky Bridges.

Debbie's comment about Cavett is suspicious, as he struggled with depression for years. At some point it became so crippling he bowed-out of public life for years.

^^ There were no rumors about Cavett's mental health at that time, but plenty about him being gay.

Debbie seems surprisingly mischievous. To the point where it looks as if she's purposefully trying to rattle him.

And it works. He makes that bitchy wig remark. Which she handles with aplomb. And then diffuses the whole thing, after his warning shot.

Here is Cavett with his wife, eccentric actress Carrie Nye. They were married for over 40 years until her death from lung cancer. They had not children and he never remarried.

Their heterosexual heat is on full display in this photo.

^^ Here's another photo

I went backstage to meet Lily while she was touring in Appearing Nitely way back in '77. and from what I saw that night it was clear even to 14-year-old me that she was pretty much openly lesbian. I think that Jane Wagner was with her, and it was very much a patchouli feminist group of women together joking ribaldly, etc., with a lot of innuendo. I was one of the few males in the crowd and felt a little out of place. Lily was nice as could be and made me a fan for life.

How did Chad’s career turn out?

How did Lily’s career turn out?

R99 she gave as good as she got (I like people like that) and I think Cavett threw that shade at her knowing that so it works. You have to instinctively know who can take it and who can’t.

R97 interesting comment that he wanted things to escalate and Lily probably just sensed it and wanted nothing to do with it so just said (in todays terms) “I’m not engaging you in this.” I can see that.

Lily should have just stood up and started singing:

"Here's to the ladies who munch!

Everybody RISE! RISE! RISE!"

[quote]Here is Cavett with his wife, eccentric actress Carrie Nye.

That's the actress from Creepshow.

"Where's my cake? Where's my cake?"

In r117 Carrie Nye looks like Cavett in drag.

Am I the only one who can disregard this person like an adult without cheering for another tantrum?

What he's saying is so ridiculous I can't possibly be mad. It's ludicrous more than angering.

If you're bothered by what every idiot says or thinks you're going to be perpetually bothered until you're dead. What an unfortunate feeling.

Some of you are missing the point.

You don't have public images to maintain.

If Lily had sat there, some of her fans, many who are feminists, might have thought she was condoning such sentiments. And her wife may have been furious with her.

And if she's said something, it might have gotten really nasty.

If it had not been on national TV, she could have ignored it and nobody would be the wiser.

She behaved splendidly and appropriately. She did not engage in nasty discourse or prompt an uncomfortable exchange by challenging him. That would have been giving him too much power.

She did exactly what all women should do with abusive assholes....leave the room and breathe in some clean air.

He cried. What a man-child. Still kept looking for her to return, too.

I love how he kept talking about how his name was changed but NEVER ONCE mentioned his agent Henry Willson. Not once.

I'm with r126. Had Lily stayed, she would have shown to everyone she condoned that kind of talk.

You have to draw the line somewhere.

I think it is poor form for Cavett to mention celebrities' birth names on TV.

They are not appearing on his show as the person they were born, but as the celebrity they became.

He's in the business, and should respect that that involves maintaining certain illusions, as well as consistent branding.

He went on to read some lame ass poetry as an explanation of that ownership statement. It was painful. No wonder they wanted Lily to come back.

OMG, give it a fucking rest Lily! That guy was clearly an oaf and trying to be “cute” and funny but it failed. The audience gave a gasp, acknowledging his gaffe and Lily knew they were on her side. Lily was hardy offended when the guy came out and handed her a pair of women’s panties, (for some bizarre reason). She giggled and accepted them. This was also the height of the Women’s Lib movement. Lily knew she was making a scene and would get press. She wasn’t stupid and wasn’t nearly offended. She was savvy enough to take a PR opportunity. She was hardly “outraged”.

The guy then says he’s sorry and calls for Lily to come back to the stage. He then says: “She (his wife) owns me too by the way. It’s a two-way street ya know”.... Then he pulls out some magazine article he wrote about how in live with his wife he is... so he was hardly a Harvey Weinstein.

This shit is the reason most straight guys are pale, nipple sucking effete man babies and why we have the “precious mommy” and the “men are bad/women are smarter” bullshit we have today. I’m so glad I’m not straight and ended up with some dreadful vagina monster like that. I literally fear for a US military filled with young men raised by women and men who see this shit as a brave statement and who teach them to fear speaking to women and being true to their own thoughts and masculinity We may as well invite the Chinese in to take over because our boys will hardly be capable of keeping us safe much longer.

Thank you for weighing in, Mrs. Phyllis Schlafly aka r132.

R132, how convenient that you completely ignored Chad's subsequent, disgusting comment about how some women like to be taken care of by a man, rather than another woman. Because that was meant as a personal attack against Lily, it was arguably as bad as his initial, stupid comment about "owning" his wife.

Lily Tomlin was right to walk off.

However, I have to say, he is the definition of a hot mess there. He seems coked up to me. I find him sexy as hell here.

Were people doing coke in 1972? I thought that came a few years later.

Where is "here," R135?

R136 it peaked a few years later (especially among regular types) but in Hollywood by the early 70s I think it was pretty common.

Wait R82 when did Cavett admit to sucking some cock?

First interesting thing I've ever heard about Dick (pun intended) please give details.

thanks

Not Cavett R139, Pryor.

Is 132 for real or a joke?

Actions speak louder than words.

Lily made a great choice. 'Here you go, Dick. You booked him. You interview him.'

What accents are those? Are there Americans left that still speak like that? Everybody sounds so well-spoken.

That's because we didn't live as a society in the gutter then. We aspired to be as sophisticated as we could become. Now we have normalized the bottom of the barrel and anyone trying to do better is a derided as an "elite." As if that is a bad thing. It's not.

R136 Haven't you heard I Get a Kick Out of You by Cole Porter? "Some get a kick from cocaine, I'm sure that if I took even one sniff that would bore me terrifically too.."

That was 1933 or something.

Seriously. I'd never heard of Dick Cavett so I was trying to place his accent and wondering what part of England he's from.

There was a sort of generic, practiced non-accent accent that was very popular in America in the post-war years up until the 1980s or so. Cavett is Midwestern but picked up speech patterns at Yale where he took acting classes.

People who say that Americans used to want to be cultured and the lack of practiced, almost Mid-Atlantic accents shows we're all just trash now don't know their history. Authentic accents were wildly popular in the 1930s and 1940s in movies, entertainment, even the news and sportscasting. The push toward homogeneity was very much a 1950s thing, and it's seen (rightly so, in my opinion) as old-fashioned, a faux class marker that never made much sense in a country as large and diverse as ours.

[quote]Authentic accents were wildly popular in the 1930s and 1940s in movies, entertainment, even the news and sportscasting.

"Authentic" urban accents were for character actors. For tough guys..

And yes, they were often heard in sports casting and news for a gritty authenticity.

But it was the clean clear "non-accent" that was most heard in popular entertainment.

And there was also Mid-Atlantic. It denoted the upper class that Americans aspired to.

[quote]What accents are those? Are there Americans left that still speak like that? Everybody sounds so well-spoken.

Note too, the register of the voices. They were lower and richer than the sounds most people make today.

There was a time when people cared how they sounded and appeared in public . People dressed for the places they went -Sweats were for the gym and track meets. Delivery boys wore ties. Women went outside with hats and gloves. No, I don't want to go back to the tyranny of proscribed clothing, nor tell people they must change their accents –But it would be nice if people relearned to distinguish between public and private behavior and speech. Relearned consideration for others. Maybe that is something good that could come from this terrible pandemic. People are realizing how much they miss socializing and being out and about. Maybe that increased value will lead to increased consideration and politeness?

I can hope!

Sorry, R149. The barbarians won.

Women would never want to go back to having to wear hose, heels and girdles.

And I would never want to go back to wearing wool suits in summer -- or starched shirts with ties.

They wear Spanx and heels now. If stockings became fashionable, they would wear them. That's what they do.

The dig at Lily’s sexuality seems to come from a mean, nasty place. It was his first instinct after thst public slight. And good on her for not giving him the satisfaction of returning because you can see it bothered him for the remainder of the show. I wonder if he ever tried to make amends.

Interesting how the LA obit phrases it as feminist Lily "going toe to toe" with Everett when she did no such thing. She left. But some shitty journalist (or his superiors) misrepresent the incident to imply that Lily was combative. She was nothing of the sort. She chose the best option. She gave Everett no ammunition.

Debbie was a real alpha. She hardly gives Shelley Winters a break in this Merv appearance (Debbie appears c. 17:30).

R97 You are an ass. The article says Chad wrote “sensitive” poems to his daughters. Sensitive doesn’t mean romantic or sexual. I’ve seen some of his poems and only wished my dad could express his feelings for me and my siblings as Chad did back then. Chad said and did a lot of stupid things back then, due to his drinking. In later years he stopped drinking, found God and had a wonderful family life. He was adored by his wife and kids.

I'm sorry to be cunty, but didn't Lily own mirror? Everything from the hair to the shoes is wrong.

I hate people who justify Lily staying in the closet til her 60s. She was a chicken and only came out when it was utterly a joke not too. Fuck her.

She nearly ended my career