Gay conservatives

One former friend of mine was always a Republican and gay, and I asked him once around 1992, "Don't their anti-gay positions bother you? His response was, "I don't care about it, I'm just in it for the money."

Another gay friend said it was foreign policy that made him always vote for the Republicans. I think he still does. One of his many Christmas trees was decorated with missile ornaments.

I know a few, all former liberals. They feel that the Democrat party has become too tribalistic, too PC, and too corporate.

[quote]I know a few, all former liberals. They feel that the Democrat party has become too tribalistic, too PC, and too corporate.

Too tribal and corporate so they became Republicans?

Sure, Jan.

A bizarre form of self-loathing and a desire to be in the 'in' group that 'others' other people for a change.

Gay people are not immune to being fucking stupid

It really baffles me why gay conservatives identify as gay in the first place since being gay doesn't match with anything the GOP has to offer. They have an anti-gay platform, always had and always will. Nothing GoProud or Log Cabin Republicans do will ever change that. Instead, they defend every anti-gay action the Republican Party does and demonize representatives of the Democratic Party who actually fight for gay rights and introduce bill after bill that are being shut down by the Republicans.

If you want to please conservative mommy and daddy then don't bother with using gay with your party affiliation.

If you pick wallet over the well-being of yourself and the Gay Community you should lose the right to call yourself gay.

These days it's all about branding and one's conservative views are not on brand for the Gay Community, the LGBT Community, or the Queer Community.

[quote]If you want to please conservative mommy and daddy then don't bother with using gay with your party affiliation.

That seems to be part of it, trying to show mommy--and especially daddy--that they're not like "those" gays.

I hat to keep mentioning Straka but he turned into a raging asshole who talks over others and accuses everyone, including the gay community, of being violent and dangerous. He even denies anti-gay attacks are up and claims most of these incidents are bogus.

[quote] That seems to be part of it, trying to show mommy--and especially daddy--that they're not like "those" gays.

But the sad truth is that when push comes to shove and daddy and son have an argument the dad will throw it in his son's face that he is one of "those" gays no matter how hard the son tries to convince his dad otherwise. A bigoted, homophobic dad will never have his gay son's back.

[quote]A bigoted, homophobic dad will never have his gay son's back.

Nor will a bigoted, homophobic mom.

Some people do it for shock value, publicity, and attention:

How much of religion comes into these people being right wingers? It seems that they would support their political party over their own sexuality every time.

Yes, I know one who is a rich closet case. He's also a former college football player. Very fucked up, grew up believing that gays were the devil. Elderly, but still lying about who he is. Donates to GOP candidates so he can get tax breaks, won't give a dime to gay rights.

I read online a guy claiming he's conservative because the GOP is a party that's free of group think and tribal mentality. After reading that all I could think was this guy can't possible know anything about the Republicans because it's all group think with them.

or mental illness r12. More and more these days that seems to be the tie that binds. There are some grifters of course, but there is a solid base of lunatics that hold the whole thing together.

I know one gay conservative, the boyfriend of a liberal gay. He's wealthy, kind of stupid, and thinks only about himself, taxes, and money. So therefore he's a conservative.

The rest of us in our circle can't stand him. In fact, we may have to stop being friends with the liberal one because none of us want the conservative around, given his pro-Trump views and his willingness to talk about it all the time.

[quote] How much of religion comes into these people being right wingers?

Please. Gay or straight, these conservatives use religion to hide behind it. "Aw, God created Adam & Eve. Not Adam & Steve. Sorry, you're going to hell and I simply must discriminate against you because of my deeply held religious beliefs! Sow-ry!". But they never have a problem with Republicans being the most unchristian people there are. Lying, cheating, divorcing, paying for abortions, DUIs, physical violence, grabbing her by the pussy, etc. That all can be forgiven, but Michelle Obama wearing a shoulderless gown? She's the Whore of Babylon! Melania Trump, the nude model? Totally fine with that, because it was ... tasteful and artistic nudity! Shame on you for being such a prude!

I do know an older guy (in his 60's) who's conservative. He never talks about being gay or being a conservative.

The few that I have known over the years are basically rich closet cases that are greedy mofos and don't want to pay a nickel in taxes. I've tried to disassociate myself from them.

yeah, that makes sense too r20, but jesus christ, if you're rich it's gonna be a very modest hit anyway. You'll still be rich. You'll still have your stupid car or your stupid house or even your stupid plane. Jesus Fuck that kind of cunt drives me nuts.

What R2 said. But that's not why OP started this thread.

GayPatriot Dot Net.

Defunct now. But that place was swarming with self-loathing types. A lot of them in gay relationships!

I slept with one of them. He hadn't had a job in years and lived in WeHo (family $$$). He writes fantasy novels. I don't think he has been published yet.

Also horseshit to r2, NOBODY becomes a Republican because the Democratic Party is too corporate. Please.

This is what I've read online because I've only know one homocon, but they all seem to feel that it's fine for people to use religion to treat us differently. Gay marriage especially seems to piss them off. It seems that we're bad for trying to create equality while they feel that we should just accept whatever straight people think we should be permitted to have.

Guy Benson on Fox News seems like he’s just a reflexively conservative guy - and while I don’t agree with him on a lot of things, he seems like a smart, sane and decent person who just has a different world view than me. That being said, a bunch of the new breed of online gay conservatives mostly seem like edgelords and wannabe shock comics with daddy issues.

What honestly angers me is that many of these people never did shit for gay equality yet reap the rewards of the work of all the people who came before them.

r21. It's their high almighty "I worked hard for that money and I simply refuse to give it to these lazy losers who wait for government funded hand-outs!". But they willingly ignore that it's the 1%ers who receive the biggest hand-outs from the government.

that's actually kind of odd r25, because the whole Homocon thing is conformism: gays are okay as long as they are married, have or at least want kids, join the army, worship money, etc.

They are usually self haters deep down. They are contrarians. They are conservatives because BY GOD they will not be Dems because that is expected. They grew up that way and don't want to change. They are usually ones who stayed in the closet a long time and came out late so they don't want to then say they are Dems or Liberal because being conservative is part of their identity.

Conservatism doesn't work so they are just assholes.

There are also the types like Cockgobbler that see conservatism as a career path. They are basically grifting narcissists that don't give a shit about anyone or anything as long as they are becoming rich and powerful.

R29 just from reading online it seems the opposite. Homocons really seem to think that gays should not try to have legal marriages or be able to be parents. Again, I hate to come back to Brandon Straka, but here's a clip of a LGBT town hall where he says gay people should be happy with civil marriage and stop complaining.

I guess I'm thinking of the Andrew Sullivans, and damn, some others but it's been so long since I've paid attention to that crowd. Josh Barro maybe. Honestly I think Brandon Straka is just another con artist hopping onto that wingnut welfare, like Milo.

[quote]Honestly I think Brandon Straka is just another con artist hopping onto that wingnut welfare, like Milo.

R33 he is. He's now trying to get non profit status. Just imagine how much he'll be able to grist when he's a charity.

I mean grist, not grist.

Fuck! GRIFT.

R33 R34 Yep, I was just about to post a similar comment. Straka is like Candace Owens, Milo, Mike Cernovich, etc. They are a new breed of grifting con artists that have found followings thanks to the internet. Who knows what any of these people REALLY think.

Self-loathing morons.

yup, r37, and throw Diamond and Silk in there. Somebody was posting about how much they hate us in some other thread. I don't think they hate anyone. It's all just a con game for them, and so many others. No wonder they love Trump, the model for con artists everywhere.

[quote]Who knows what any of these people REALLY think.

Truthfully I think they really do hate us. They used to be part of us, but somewhere along the line they started thinking the same way about us that anti-gay people think.

I think there are people who truly hate us, including some "ex-gays" who really, truly hate themselves and use us as a substitute, r40, but these con artists are a whole different group.

How do these gay grifters sleep at night knowing they're working against our interests?

R32 I hate the gay cons, and all cons really, who move to liberal Meccas like LA and NYC. If Dems and Liberals are so evil, why the fuck aren't you moving to Missouri? You don't see me rushing to buy a house there!

I know a gay couple, both cons, moved to LA to make it in "the biz". One is a video editor for Shapiro's website.

I always remember that she's Shapiro's cousin

You don't have to believe in what you are selling as a grifter. You just have to be convincing enough for idiots to believe you and your sales pitch. And, again, these audiences are all idiots.

The worst thing you can do as a grifter is getting too emotional and involved in your scheme, that's when you get sloppy and you lose your audience.

Sam Seder calls out Straka's grifting. It's a long video but worth it to see Sam hand Brandon his ass.

Self-hating and not very smart. Other groups have their representatives as well: House slaves, Jew catchers, Quislings, etc.

Walkaway is a joint Russian/Right wing construct. Walkaway should apply to the millions of average working stiffs who vote republican despite their policies hurting them in huge ways.

I block anyone who uses the phrase “Democrat Party.” Dead giveaway that you’re a right-wing shitstain.

Neither conservative or liberal. Politically stranded. Ironically, the far left and far right both share a distrust of popular institutions and corporations.

I suspect you are right r45. I think I'd be bad at that. Even if I started out not caring, sooner or later I'd actually have to do something I actually care about and then I'd start screaming at people, and then I'd lose. I'm kind of amazed at people who can keep it together when running for office or promoting some cause. I think I would lose it at a lot of these congressional hearings (back when there were congressional hearings.)

I know one. Middle age, white as in lily white, teaches high school English/Lit. He sees some students getting government hand outs and it infuriates him. He claims he's been discriminated against for being white in academia. Has major problems with other faculty, students parents, nearly everyone.

One thing I've noticed since going down a Youtube rabbit hole is that these people all praise and defend conservatives but rarely come up with any reasons that prove the Republican party itself is better for us than the Democratic party. They might as well be screaming, "I love my daddy even if he hates me for being gay!"

yup, lemme guess r53, a lot more talk about the evils of Hillary than the glories of Trump (or Bush, or Reagan, or really anybody else, cause seriously, conservatism sucks on every level, even if you don't like aspects of liberalism.)

They just wanna suck straight white cock and be invited to country clubs. They're soulless and vapid, like certain gays, but also hypocritical. They think they're better than everyone else, when it's clear they've got their nose so far up Uncle Sam's ass they've got Trump singing praise and worship music.

They're utterly useless.

R54 Scott Presler still talks about Hillary...all the time.

I get having objections to some things Dems do, but the #WalkAway or whatever is like leaving a boyfriend who berates you in public for one beats the shit out of you and threatens your livelihood.

Gay republicans, I know you do not want to hear it, but please acknowledge- if it were up to the republicans YOU VOTE FOR, they would snap their fat fingers and make your dick suckin' nelly ass disappear.

R56 That Scott Pressler guy is legit insane. Does he even have a real job?

R59 no idea but apparently Trump has retweeted him 4 times. He's so proud!

damn, r46, thank you for that (I think). Perfect example of self-pitying, feed the rich, I don't really know what I'm talking about, but doncha just hate the Left wingnut nonsense.

and it reminds me again, I would LOVE every single Republican to run on what they say they believe: No more social security, no more medicare, no more medicaid. Run on that shit, bitches, do it!

Republicans are, in their hearts, cowards, and illiterate. Unable to draw connections or empathize. I feel bad for them.

One of the ones I know hasn't come out to his family (he is 53 but looks early 30s no joke), is Jewish, lives in the South. I thought he wouldn't support this president of all people but he does. So I haven't spoken to him since. He's older than me so I don't care. I say that because he is hopeless, lonely and will die that way.

I'm a rather conservative person, and don't feel that I'm batshit. I strongly disagree with many of the democrat positions, on foreign policy, trade, voting, immigration, and having grown up in Chicago, I totally associate the democratic party with fraud and corruption. I have seen the connections between local corrupt leaders and national leaders of the democrat party. I cannot in good conscience support any of the democrat candidates that are being fielded due to their connections and support of the party program. I really resent the thought that anyone here on this blog is required to support the leftiish agenda, and am pretty amazed at how crudely the President is often portrayed by some posters. I realize that I'm a minority on this site, but I am going to express my opinions and not be bullied by others. I've noticed that every time someone has made a negative post about one of my opinions, all I hear is name calling without any respect, or factual discourse. Every time I hear these statements that a conservative is not empathetic I remember the time a gay group picketed a local pastor when he took a stand against gay marriage. While they were screaming and cursing at him, they would not allow him to even answer their questions. I don't think that many of them had a non related young kid, a call boy who was now dying of AIDS, at home in their house while they were providing hospice for them. The preacher's wife as a nurse, and they took care of the boy until he died. And yet, he hated gays, right?

I know gay men who will say they are socially progressive but fiscally conservative. Always white upper/middle class.

R65 Your post was FULL of contradictions and broad allegations (though not specific) against Democrats. Bitch, if you want to talk corruption, your GOP is the most corrupt piece of shit ever. You just grew up with a FEELING towards the Dems you can't shake. I bet all those positions you cite where you say you disagree with Dems are completely distorted and lies you BELIEVE without evidence.

Fuck you, Cunt. How's that for name calling?

You want to meet gay conservatives?

Look in three places:

1) Utah - where they are trapped / overwhelmed by the Mormon culture and can’t escape

2) Deep South - same, but substitute Evangelical for Mormon

3) Washington DC and big Southern cities - white boys either in the country club or knocking on the door, who want to shut the same door to anybody different from them. They feather their own nests, and fuck the rest of you.

It's just money. You can literally see how money changes people's minds. It changes their perception of reality. It's hilarious.

R65 should just lick the nearest doorknob.

R65 Nice story but I doubt one bit of that is true.

If you have anything remotely nice to say about the CURRENT president you are indeed a lost cause lost in emotion and false belief. You think Democrats are corrupt but lament that our current president doesn't get a fair shake on DL? Hands down the most corrupt/ dangerous/ incompetent president by far. Yet WE'RE vulgar towards him? You're a real piece of work.

He put us in a Depression and allowed 60,000+ to die within 7 weeks! Yet WE'RE too hard on him?

The top richest people in the US have all donated to liberal causes:

Jeff Bezos: $114 billion. Bill Gates: $106 billion. Warren Buffett: $80.8 billion. Mark Zuckerberg: $69.6 billion. Larry Ellison: $65 billion. Larry Page: $55.5 billion. Sergey Brin: $53.5 billion. Michael Bloomberg: $53.4 billion.

r65, do you seriously not know that Donald J Trump is one of the most corrupt people in this history of this country? Do you seriously care about corruption, or only Chicago corruption? Are you lying about everything you say you believe in?

Republicans and Democrats all take money away from hard working Americans. The Democrats just rub your nose in it. Under Trump, I lost my ability to deduct property taxes and didn’t see any financial benefit though.

I’m a single, healthy guy, living in NYC, so I basically cost the government nothing. It’s totally insane that I have to hand over about 40% of my earnings to the government (~$200,000/year) snd then pay another ~$40,000/year in property taxes. It’s taking advantage... especially considering the loop holes that the rich find and the government bailouts to big companies.

I hate all politicians, but vote Democrat for since they at least pretend not to be homophobic. I’ve had it with certain members of my local government (all Dems), so may not vote for them in the next election though.

are you still rich after taxes r74? Why do you seriously care then? Can't you just pay your taxes and not be a dick about it?

They are both bad but only Democrats are still trying to convince us that globalism is a good idea whereas Republicans try to disguise their true intentions.

Spend some time in Palm Springs, you'll meet plenty of racist cock-hungry old geezers with repulsive conservative views, all of them registered Republican.

UGH! they are more and more common these days, can't stand it

They aren't both bad. HERE WE GO with the bothsides Russian trolls.

Democrats provide so many services that benefit the many. Republicans take from the many to give to the few.

If we would have stayed the course after Clinton was president, we wouldn't have Citizens United, two wars, trillions in tax cuts for the rich (which cost ALL of us tons) and millions of other horrible shit.

He never said so, but he was racist and classist, among other things. Spending money was one of his hobbies. He ended up getting AIDS. Still, he was a fun guy to be around - good-looking and energetic, a touch of the narcissistic/sociopath in him but always fun. I was never among his enemies but he got into some shady shit sometimes. I also had some excellent times with him. People aren't always black & white.

I'm familiar with a gay, young, black, conservative, that recently married his equally conservative white husband. I bring race into this because hie just seems extreme in his views and lifestyle. For instance he relaxes his hair and uses a hot comb to match his husband's preppy hair styles. Hunty no! It just screams self-hate. Outside of politics they appear to be a nice people. I give them credit for being an out gay couple involved in Republican politics. When I challenge them on the party's stances on LGBT Rights, they bring up the Republican's "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" views on homosexuality. They said it that works for people Tim Scott and Lindsey Graham. The Party simply doesn't care as long as you do their bidding and don't openly run for office as a gay man. I spent more time talking to the brother compared to his husband because from one black man to another, I was fascinated.

They are Republicans because they believe conservative politics and Christianity are good for America.

My ex knew a couple who were basically gay rednecks and worshiped Rush Limbaugh, which baffled me.

"I don't think that many of them had a non related young kid, a call boy who was now dying of AIDS, at home in their house while they were providing hospice for them. The preacher's wife as a nurse, and they took care of the boy until he died. And yet, he hated gays, right?"

R65 Like any good Republican, always using the anecdotal story of the "good Republican" to defend an entire party of money-hungry, gay-hating, racist assholes.

This is EASY:

They are either-

A)Sociopaths

B) Contrarians

C) Both

R76 Globalism, or what sane people call the fact that no country can prosper while pushing isolationism. Get a passport. it will do you a world of good.

Too bad r74 never learned what taxes are for

R74 Is a Republican who bashes Dems then says he will vote for them (he won't) but expects us to believe he is a Democrat.

I know a few Trump-supporting gays through my brother who is also one, although he's not vocal about politics.

They are not well-educated and don't follow the news. They grew to admire Trump on his reality TV show The Apprentice, and they still think of him that way.

The other thing they have in common is their love of Wendy Williams. That puzzles me, too, since I find her to be a bore.

R75, I am not rich, I work my ass off, and pay my taxes. R86, I know what taxes are for. I just don’t like that the rich and poor don’t have to pay their share because repubs steal from the middle class/upper middle class to give to the rich, and the Dems steal from the upper middle class to give to the poor. R87, I’ve voted for the democratic candidate in every election.

Conservative lesbian here -- I'm female, lesbian, ivy-educated (science degree, I'm really good at math). I'm pro-abortion (although not at 9 months or after birth). I should be a raging liberal.

But I'm not. Because I know that letting government get big and have too much control is bad. With the amount of debt we have, even before corona, the U.S. may be permanently ruined. There will be big battles coming -- public employees who want their pensions, seniors who want their medicare. It's all bankrupt. We gave the government too much power, and they acted like children and spent way too much. Raising taxes on the top 1%, or even 10% won't solve the problem. Like I said, I'm really, really good at math.

You need to give people an incentive to spend wisely.

I knew a very Right Wing lesbian through a friend. She was a cop, very butch, had a bunch of ferrets, wasn’t shy about expressing her political beliefs. I’m just describing her. Not equating ferret parenthood with conservatism BTW. It was easy to see why she was right wing. Mocked the homeless and people on social services. They got what they deserved. She was mean with money. I was collecting for the Cancer Society (this was eons ago) and she refused. That did it for me. Just an unloving individual.

[quote] Like I said, I'm really, really good at math.

And I'm a university math professor and still think you're right-wing trash.

They're usually wealthy, wealthy adjacent (courtiers to the rich), or wanna e rich and they figure money will insulate them from the harsh realities of being a sodomite.

"I'm really good at math). I'm pro-abortion (although not at 9 months or after birth). "

Abortion after birth? What kind of Ivy League school did you go to?

The mathematically-inclined lesbian is correct. Politicians will squander whatever money is left over after they pilfer whatever they can first.

R92, unless you're a professor at a top-30 school, you're teaching students the math I learned in 8th & 9th grade. Another reason I'm not liberal -- I don't support free college for everyone. But you do -- great to get paid >$100k/yr w benefits to teach algebra I for 12 hrs/week for 9 months/yr.

Great, as long as you vote Democratic that is something. But seriously, you don't actually believe high taxes are going to the poor, do you? You can't be that naive. Mainly tax money is going to the rich and random wars and all sorts of bullshit at the pentagon and a million other things that have nothing to do with poor people. You know that, right? And also, what exactly are you working your ass off doing? Who is it beneifiting? Let me guess, the rich?

R92 She is right wing trash. There are differences in big govt. Conservatives want big govt just in a different way. Democrats want people to actually have rights unlike conservatives. Conservatives want big govt for more power for the elites. Democrats want big govt for people. Because capitalism was ruined by republicans it now doesn't work. Things were working out just fine for everybody involved until republicans decided to start drastically cutting taxes for the rich(they were doing great before), cutting regulations (again, things were going great before) and all the other shit they pulled. We've been unraveling ever since. CONSERVATISM DOESN'T WORK. NEVER HAS.

R92 Needs to worry about the party that actually runs up the debt - the CONSERVATIVE party. The party who pays it down or gives us surpluses is not republicans. (hint it's the DEMS)

R94, "abortion after birth" is what Governor Blackface calls it. I would call it murder or infanticide.

All the money going to the poor? What the actual fuck do you know about how much actually goes to welfare?

I see a lot of negative tropes against Democrats. That is all conservatives have- false, negative tropes against liberals.

Yes, the poor have it so good. Maybe if you didn't support shitty conservative policies that gutted the middle class, gave the rich all the fucking money, we wouldn't NEED to spend money on the poor. Or would you rather sky high crime rates? Can't have it both ways. Stop supporting conservative policies that have gutted our country for 40 years.

and good for them r72. Their top tax rate should still be at least 50%, but if they want to give money to liberal causes (how is that defined, by the way), that's okay too.

R99 Your true colors are showing now. Stuff your toxic conservatism up your smelly cunt.

Ivy league my ASS.

I knew one a long time ago, a gay Polish cop (not a street cop, a detective, I think) from a Chicago suburb. He was out as much as one could be out, was really into poppers, going to bathhouses with his buddies, not that I judge him for that but certainly not some prude. Right after that 2000 election, I recall him going on some verbal rampage against Al Gore, saying how he could not support anyone who is not big on "family values". All his boyfriends (loosely speaking) were illegal immigrants where he could exercise some twisted power trip. I haven't been in touch with him for 15 years and, not long ago, I Googled him and saw that he moved to Texas after he had been dishonorably discharged with a court/arrest record. Now, of course, he's a real estate agent (aren't all sociopaths!?) in Plano.

R101 Liberal causes are anything that actually benefits people. If you care about Earth=Liberal. If you care about the homeless=Liberal. If you care about the poor=Liberal. I'm assuming that is what that asshole meant. He also was likely trying to make it seem elites support Dems when we know elites support the republicans. Smart wealthy people understand liberal policies enhance all groups whereas the greed wealthy want conservative policies because only they benefit.

Dear R102, No, I really am. Have fun with your Medicare for all. You'll be waiting in line for 5yrs for your surgery. I'll be gone.

R99 I call it a fucking lie.

R105 Suuuuuuure, Jan. Suuuuuuuure.

You're just a sociopath, greedy cunt.

calm down, r105, you'll still be rich. Consuela will clean your house. Don't panic. Everything is going to be okay, even if other people get health care.

R65 I’ve got a strong urge to grab you by the pussy!

r89, you're complaining about people who are poor not paying enough when you make 200,000 a year....typical Republican.

Conservatives like to opine how the rich always work hard for what they have. Some do, of course, Many do. But many have a huge leg up/ hand out. They rich worship.

Those oppressed rich people. You conservatives must have huge muscles carrying their water for them.

Greed is what is killing capitalism. A lot of rich live waaaay above their means. That is why they throw hissy fits at any thought of paying just a little more in taxes. The rich weren't supposed to be 900 times richer than their workers. That is UNSUSTAINABLE.

Big govt might be scary but 90% of the wealth in the hands of 10% of the population is a fucking nightmare in many ways if you truly understand math. The rich want POWER. That is why they hoard their money and want more more more. It is NEVER enough. They have power. Ask Russia how Oligarchy's work out.

Right-wing trolls have really intensified their activity on DL in the past 2-3 weeks. With Orange Führer's numbers going down, it'll get even worse. Since he can't hold rallies, they're throwing all the resources into their Internet flying monkeys.

Add Blaire White to the list of dipshit gay rightwingers. Someone in another thread said he was smarter than Candace Owens. I was gobsmacked lol. I don't care for her either but, c'mon now he's thick as shit, I mean have you actually sat through one of his videos? It's basically Milo Y (after being hit over the head a few times with a Birkin bag full of bricks) coupled with a dodgy tit-job and bad plastic surgery.

Consuela doesn't clean my house. An American citizen does. I pay her $30/hr in a NY suburb, $40 for overtime.

Another thing I'm not for -- rampant illegal immigration. You have to be a moron to not understand that illegal immigration is what keeps wages low for unskilled/semi-skilled labor. Even if Amazon and Walmart can't hire illegals, it keeps wages down because their workers can't threaten to quit and mow lawns, clean houses, work in a restaurant. That's how we got Trump and Bernie.

The illegals who mow my lawn make <$15/hr, not enough to live here. I'm part of a development, the Association hires them, I don't have control over that.

R110, I didn’t say they’re not paying enough, I said I’m paying too much. And I don’t make 200,00/year- that was what I PAID in income taxes alone. See why I think pay too much? Wtf is the government doing with my money?

R115, if you think "the government" is so evil, then why don't you move to your own island somewhere. If you make six figures, you can afford to fork over some cash, you greedy Republican turd

R114 You hate rampant illegal immigration? Then you sure as fuck shouldn't like republicans. Guess which presidents gave amnesty to illegals? Then guess which party they belonged to? Also, guess which two Dem presidents (hint they are very recent) actually deported illegals, one at record numbers? Then guess which party they belonged to?

Cheap Labor Conservatives lured immigrants over to bust unions and to pad their pockets. Well if worked like a charm, didn't it cunt?

Oh but their children are voting Democrat. NOW you get pissed and want to stop it. But I bet, you cunt, I bet you support Cubans flocking over in droves because they vote republican. You're a vile, despicable bitch.

Conservatives rant all the time about moochers mooching off the government's teat, but they push their own grandma into traffic when she's in the way to get their hands on some socialist program funds.

Everybody else is undeserving of getting help. But they have no problem exploiting every loophole there is to get richer and fatter.

R115 A lot. Look into it for fuck's sake. You'd be shocked at the amount of things local and state govt provide. I hope you know what the Federal govt does. You would probably be paying a fuck of a lot less if the rich didn't have such low taxes and 10% didn't own 90% of the wealth in this country. Conservative policies fucked you.

exactly r110. Get it right. Bitch is RICH! Not some 200,000 rich, real rich. And pays a real live American to clean her house. Stop downgrading this bitch. This bitch pays taxes and pays honest to god whities to clean her toilet. Glory! And Praise Trump!

Yes, R119. My point was that both parties fuck over the upper middle class, it’s just that Democrats don’t pretend to have our backs like Republicans pretend to do.

You will never convince me that is acceptable that I’m at a ~40% income tax rate, can’t write off student loan interest or property taxes, yet the rich write off everything and pay next to nothing.

R120, you’re combining (at least) two posters into one. Do try to keep up.

Whoever said DL (and other places) were being hit by trolls is right. It is noticeable.

R121 Right on cue the top troll is back. The Dems don't pretend to? They fuck us? You are a mother fucking troll if you believe that. I could list thousands of ways the Dems have benefited all groups and list thousands of ways republicans have fucked us. But you're a troll.

R122 Same troll behavior. One and the same.

You'll find I am not, r122

depends on your income level r121. 40% may be exactly right for you. Same with student loans. Do you really need to write them off, or do you just want to?

You are though, R124. I know this because I’m the one who said I pay more than 200k/year for income taxes and I never once mentioned who cleans my apartment.

well then I apologize to you r126. Sorry, get Homocons mixed up sometimes. But to both of you (at least), if you have enough, try not to bitch about it. it's in bad taste.

Isn’t Danny Thomas one?

I wish those who bitch about taxes would direct their ire at the costly tax cuts for the rich. When the rich paid 50-60% on the top bracket, the middle class was booming, CEO's didn't make an obscene amount of money more than their workers, their was a lot of upward mobility, our economy was booming. Times were good.

Conservatives came along, with their greed, and smashed that to bits.

Conservatives insists everything was better in the 50s....maybe someone needs to tell them that rich people paid higher taxes back then

R130 Yeah, like 90% on the top bracket.

A picture is emerging from these Homocons.

They base their political party on feelings

They traffic is platitudes

They can't really name specific conservative policies they agree.

They lie about Democrats positions

They are purposefully vague

I was watching some of those LGBT town hall videos and I find it funny that according to them if you're a gay liberal then you support using drugs, you support bare backing and all you want to do is party. Then I thought of Aaron Schock who does all those things and is a right winger. These assholes really love to project, don't they?

R133 Yep, nailed it.

r90 is "good" at math but can't understand how a 2 trillion dollar tax break that went primarily to stock buy-backs should be repealed. Then she goes on about our debt. Please look at the actual numbers regarding debts and deficits under Republican and Democratic administrations, because it sounds like you based your political views on the soundbites and slogans.

R133 Projection is rule number 1

In 2018 the Dems had one of the best midterm elections in decades. I hope Brandon Straka keeps up with his #walkaway campaign so the GOP can be wiped out in November.

R135 She is a cunt troll. She or it. Who knows.

R137 If you look at a host of numbers, it was one of the largest margins of victory I think ever.

Adding to r117, Republican's torpedoed the Gang of Six immigration bill. They are the status quo party that love illegal immigration.

[quote] Cheap Labor Conservatives lured immigrants over to bust unions and to pad their pockets. Well if worked like a charm, didn't it cunt?

All this is true, but it wasn't just conservatives. Both parties sold out the middle class. Why is that so much of our supply chain and labor force are not based in the US? Why do we have record poverty during the most productive time in our history? How does importing workers help unions? Why is than any criticism of immigration or trade policy deflected as racism? Again, what have Democrats done that didn't enable those cheap labor conservatives?

R81 brings an interesting wrinkle to this--gay POC who are Republicans.

R141 NOPE it wasn't both sides. I would say nice try but you conservatives always try it when you can't deny your side is the root cause.

R141 it's the conservatives blaming the immigrants.

"How dare these poor take the jobs that our wealthy donors happily give them over paying a few more bucks to citizens!!!!"

[quote] I strongly disagree with many of the democrat positions, on foreign policy, trade, voting, immigration, and having grown up in Chicago

So you're ok with the current Republican party being anti free-trade, anti-immigrant and Pro-Russia?

I've only seen one homocon, some young media whore, who has acknowledged the people that came before us and fought hard for equality.

Then he went on to say that we have it good now and liberal gays are just desperate to find something to complain about so they can feel like victims.

Just when I thought he as making sense, he had to say something that made me remember he's an asshole.

Democrats have never been for illegals flooding our country. Ever. Multiple Dem administrations (compared the Republican ones) show this crystal clear.

However, Dems are not going to allow them to be scapegoats now that their children are voting Dem. Again, no Republican EVER says this about Cubans. Ever. Because they vote Republican. So fuck them on immigration.

Democrats want responsible immigration. A compromise bill was killed by conservatives.

All the facts point to Republicans being the party of illegal immigration (they have their slaves again) and Democrats being the responsible immigration party.

R146 like the fact that in many US states you can still be denied housing for being non-straight?

I love it when they say it's easy to come out as gay but hard to come out as conservative.

For me one is what you are and the other is a choice you make. Homocons seem to feel that their political beliefs are more important than their sexuality.

R145 Don't try to confuse them with facts and shit. They are trolls.

Oh! What the hell...I wasn't going to put my two cents into this, but I'm bored.

I agree with what what used to be some conservative positions.

1. I believe in a strong foreign policy that is rooted in Realpolitik, but I disagree with using military force when police action would be the better choice. We had every right to go after Osama bin Laden and his ilk after 9/11. After we got him, we should have quickly left. "Nation-Building" is not a conservative principle. Standing up for democracy is. Iraq was wrong. Obama was right on Iran, but wrong on Syria.

2. Unregulated immigration is a problem that neither party is addressing in any meaningful way. Many of the refugees fleeing Central America have fled problems that America fuels and exasperates. The American consumption of drugs contributes to the problems in El Salvador and elsewhere. Closing borders, demonizing others, and creating concentration camps to warehouse these refugees are not conservative principles. They are close-minded, racist, and illiberal. What is needed here is a Marshall Plan of sorts bring stability back to those regions.

3. People in places like the Rust Belt and Coal-Mining regions need assistance in retraining and reeducation for new job skills. But the jobs that once fueled those regions are not coming back. Those people also need to start a fire under themselves. That is, they need to move away. We can assist you in retraining, but you need to take responsibility for your life. That's a conservative principle.

4. Untrammeled consumerism is not a conservative principle. It has led to gross inequalities in income, the cost of living, and in housing. Regulation is needed to rein that in. Republican once led that in the late nineteenth century.

5. I firmly believe in your right to own a firearm for personal protection or hunting. That does not mean you have a right to every firearm ever produced. You do not need an Ak47 to shoot Bambi or confront a burglar. You do not need to amass an arsenal that rivals that of a small country. Background checks on your criminal past are not violations of your privacy.

6. No one wants to pay taxes. Nonetheless, essential services (law enforcement, public education, fire services, sanitation, parks, and recreation, repair of the infrastructure) can only proceed from that money. Yes, I agree that throwing more money at social services can become wasteful, but see #3 above. We need a medium here.

7. Part of the problems for Democrats around 2016 was that they were viewed as caring more about bathroom rights than about the problems of people trying to make ends meet. I get it. There are times when I think Caitlyn Jenner is just a privileged, navel-gazing person. There are other times when I sympathize with her for her plight. It's at times eye-rolling, when after a signature on an email, I read the preferred pronouns of the signatory. Yet, I call him/her/they by those pronouns. That's called respect for the individual. And he/she/they are just going to the bathroom. I respect their wishes. That's also conservative.

8. I cannot believe I'm wading into this, but here goes: I disagree with abortion, but I believe that the Democratic Party will allow a woman to bring her pregnancy to term, because they will provide support for her and her pregnancy. Their programs will make it less likely that women will choose to end their pregnancies. In other words, those policies are rooted in support from the community...also a one-time conservative principle. Privacy and individual rights play a strong role in a woman's decision. Government has no business in her business.

9. Protection of the natural environment was once a conservative principle.

10. Marriage equality is one of the most conservative ideas ever formulated. Stable, familial relationships are the bedrock of society, and for the maturation and socialization of the individual.

11. Conservatives once firmly believed that the arbitrary abuse of power was wrong, and no one was above the law.

The current GOP is anything but conservative!

R151 I totally get what you are saying but some things you label as "conservative positions" don't necessarily mean the opposite is a liberal position. Like standing up for democracy is not a conservative or liberals positions. Both did it. Same with many other things you said. Conservatives tried to build this narrative that certain things were conservative principles implying their opposite were liberal when that wasn;t the case. They could have the same principles but go about achieving them in different ways.

But thank you for a great, thoughtful post.

R90 You can't even write right. You reek of ignorant lying white trash pretending to be a dyke so someone will pay attention here.

[quote] Don't try to confuse them with facts and shit. They are trolls.

I know. It really boggles my mind how since 2012, the Republican party is now the anti free-trade and pro-Russia party. I wonder how someone like Eisenhower or even Reagan would feel about this.

R148 when you point out something concrete to them, they deny it's happening because they haven't seen it themselves. When you point out media that backs up what you say they call it liberal media lies.

One thing I've noticed about them is they all seem to be media whores. They all have a presence on Twitter, Facebook, are always looking to be interviewed. Don't they have real jobs?

R156 They are contrarians or sociopaths as a poster stated above.

r151, it's conservatives who are obsessed with what bathroom someone uses. Look at all the anti-trans laws

What annoys me about these people is the shit they say about liberal gays. The things coming out of their mouths are the same shit anti-gay bigots have been saying about us for decades, except these guys are gay themselves.

In one video a guy must have been channeling Jerry Falwell the way he was describing the gay community.

The Bathroom issue was pushed by conservatives. Democrats should have stood up for them but they went too far in an election year. Yet, I also feel at least the Dems stand up for those who are being pushed around and bullied for no reason.

Unpopular Opinion here.

Although I'm a liberal, and marched in the streets, wrote letters to Congress, funded events to help with the passage of SSM...

I think the Log Cabin Republicans serve(d) a valuable purpose, in exposing the GOP to out gay people, and normalizing them. There have been many instances of GOP politicians relaxing to gay rights, because they knew gay Republicans. Many LCR's fought internally for gay acceptance (many failed at first, but time and persistence and CASH helped).

Not everything is black and white, or red and blue...and no, I'm not going to become a gay conservative. I'm just not going to fault an LCR for being 'stupid' right off the bat. Some of them have been very helpful and clever.

The one thing I'll say in favor of the Log Cabin Republicans is that at least they are out....at least that's better than hiding in the closet while voting against gays

R161 the conservatives came around when someone in their FAMILY came out.

republican gays dont deserve rights and pence would have us all in concentration camps if it was up to him

R161 That isn't an unpopular opinion. They are crazy and largely hated but it probably led to a softening for sure. The softening was large scale by the mid-00s when everybody started coming out and Republicans saw their family and friends out and gay.

[quote]I think the Log Cabin Republicans serve(d) a valuable purpose, in exposing the GOP to out gay people, and normalizing them.

I agree with that. The problem is the new generation of homocons treat gay people like the enemy while trying to convince the GOP that they're "normal".

R23 mentioned Gay Patriot. That guy Bruce Carroll was a perfect example of an anti-gay gay man.

Bonnie Prince Charlie, sadly, none of that is conservatism for going on 50 years now. It is just give to the rich, be a gun nut, be a religious fanatic, and throw in some racism and bigotry. That is it. that is all of it. Sadly.

I forgot that Brandon Straka cut ties with the LCRs because their leadership quit after the group endorsed Trump for re-election last year.

R145 The current Republican party is as much a rebuke of the Old republicans as they are of the Democrats. The most hated Republicans are either former presidents or former presidential candidates. Bush, Mccain, and Romney. Even Trump was an anti Reagan democrat in the 80s.

He's turned the GOP upside down. And they go all in on it. Speaks volumes to the cult like behavior the exhibit. Being a conservative is a religion. What people use to call conservative values weren't exclusive to being conservative. They called everything American pie as being conservative which is bullshit.

and i have to wonder, cause honestly this is something neither left nor right I suspect have figured out or are being honest about, what is this "retraining" we speak of? Take a 50 year old coal miner. What do you retrain him in? What is the job he gets next? When does that job appear? Who exactly hires him?

The guy who bullied me all through school called me from our hometown to apologize to me a few years ago and told me he’d turned out gay himself and joined the Catholic Church for guidance. Who does that? His Facebook was full of crazy Catholic stuff, I don’t know what you’d call it but it was insane. He was all in on the GOP and Sarah Palin (this was pre-Trump). I declined his friend request.

The guy who bullied me all through school called me from our hometown to apologize to me a few years ago and told me he’d turned out gay himself and joined the Catholic Church for guidance. Who does that? His Facebook was full of crazy Catholic stuff, I don’t know what you’d call it but it was insane. He was all in on the GOP and Sarah Palin (this was pre-Trump). I declined his friend request.

R173 The short answer is you can't. They become embittered and that's that.

^^^Meant for R171

you may be right r174. I think some people you just have to pension off and not blather any bullshit about retraining.

I think George W. Bush killed the Republican party. Trump had to remake it.

They are mentally ill, to one degree or another. Often from religious backgrounds. Often from families with conservative, overbearing parents. The ones I've met are in denial, functioning idiots, or frighteningly insane. They live in their own world. And like all sleepwalkers, they HATE to be woken up. They'll lash out if you try to pierce their bubble. I learned long ago NOT to engage these people. They are beyond hope.

R152, thank you. and I agree with you. Those are principles we share. Those who call themselves conservatives today willfully deny that.

R158, precisely. But I'm arguing that support for those rights are rooted in what conservatives espouse...firm belief in individual rights.

R167, oh! boy! you're right. It started in 1968, when they chose to make a thinly veiled racist appeal to disaffected whites in southern states and in states that were just beginning to feel the end of the manufacturing boom after the war. Then in the late 1970s they embraced evangelical Christians as their base. It's no surprise that we've ended up with the racist, sexist, irresponsible imbecile in the White House. The reactionary shift in the Republican party since Nixon laid the groundwork for his emergence.

you don't r177, but let's pretend you mean it. George W Bush killed the economy and started a completely unnecessary war and then fucked it up. Republicans immediately invented a mythical "Tea Party" to pretend they were independents. Then Trump came along and built a personality cult and republicans said, at first, even better, let's pretend the Republican Party never happened before 2016. And soon, they will pretend that Trump never happened and invent something new.

R177 Both were terrible presidents in epic ways.

Conservatives always yammer about the markets and such so they lie to coal miners about their jobs coming back when they aren't. They chose this line of work and the market is not going their way. What do you do with them? Whole towns would die. Liberals at least try to help. Conservatives just lie to them.

[quote]Often from religious backgrounds. Often from families with conservative, overbearing parents.

That's Brandon Straka. Born and raised in a conservative Catholic family in Nebraska.

This thread has been interesting. Some good insights. Still hoping to read some more personal stories of interacting with these people.

They trash the gay community but then are bitter when we reject them. Then suck up to the Republicans who want to pass laws making our lives harder to live.

R179 I'm R152. You're welcome. You're a very insightful poster. I need to show appreciation when I see that.

honestly, I think at this point there is one and only one party dealing with reality: the Democratic Party. We can have disagreements, some of us are more left, some of us are more right, but we mainly deal in reality. the Republican Party is just bullshit and nonsense and lately a personality cult. until it tries to come to its senses, it should be destroyed. later, we can get back to right versus left, but for now, it's reality versus bullshit, and everyone should vote accordingly.

Anytime you try to nail down a gay conservative on what the Republicans have done to help gay people, they will come back saying they help "Americans" and since they're American the party has helped them.

When you specify what the GOP has done for gay people, they claim that they don't believe in identity politics.

Then if you mention the Democratic party, they will give you a list of what they haven't done for gay people. Suddenly identify politics are very important to them.

R184 Absolutely. Thank you. And please remember, Republicans cannot be forgiven so quickly. We need them out in the cold for awhile or they will never learn.

R185 Yep

yup r185, and as Chris Matthews (of all people) once asked, what has the Republican Party done for middle class people in the past 50 years, primarily? Not, heh we gave billions to the rich and a few pennies to the working class? What have they done for the average middle class American and not for the rich, and nothing. Really, absolutely nothing. Not in a very long time. It's always about the rich, sometimes wrapped up with some little shit for others, but always overwhelmingly about feeding the rich.

50 years? Try 100 at least.

They just want their disapproving fathers' hard white cocks as they cum on their 401ks!!! Let the queerservative BREATHE!!!

Thanks, R183/R152. I see The Data Lounge as a virtual gay bar. we can have really neat conversations with other gay men on a whole range of topics from politics, entertainment, religion, nothing, or the guy who just walked in with the really cute butt!

oh me too, r190. it's nice. in fact, never have had these kind of conversations in a gay bar, when it's all just kinda loud and silly, and yeah, kinda sexy. but this is nice. definitely do not mind hearing from a variety of gay men and women with differing opinions.

Time and again it has been proven all income groups do better under Dems. Only the very top do better under republicans. Then compare how the very top does well under both, they still do better under Dems. There is no reason to vote republican unless you are against abortion and can't understand why a woman would need or want one.

R190 Exactly. Same here. It can be nice. I just have very little patience for conservatives when we've been gaslit for so long by them.

Can you imagine datalounge taking over a bar? LOL

R187, but...guns! Abortion! Liberty!

No, I don't know anyone who's batshit crazy.

R194 Like has been said, they are great with platitudes. Liberty and Freedom are their favorites but it only extends to those like them. They say guns and abortion over and over but those are the only specific things they can name.

Conservatism is empty and hollow and always relied on empty platitudes.

[quote]I’m a single, healthy guy, living in NYC, so I basically cost the government nothing....

Ok, this is where I stopped reading. You?

we're all in this together. don't that suck?

R197 Pretty much. But he/she/it revealed they were a troll before that.

There's this gay tiktoker who is Canadian but from Alberta, so yup, you guessed it, he supports Trump🤮

I'm curious about the younger generation of gays who support Trump. Sometimes I wonder if they're doing it to appear different or rebellious simply to get attention.

And for many of them their family's religion really does come into it. They claim to not be religious but the moment you start talking about religion they get their backs up and defend religion, churches and Christians. But not any other religion of course.

One guy on twitter defends the anti-gay shit Christians say as them just expressing their religious views and then accuses liberals of being homophobic. I wish I could remember his name. Some blond twink who fancies himself a modern day Johnny Rotten.

[Quote]And for many of them their family's religion really does come into it. They claim to not be religious but the moment you start talking about religion they get their backs up and defend religion, churches and Christians. But not any other religion of course.

You nailed it. This is exactly the case for the gay tiktoker I was talking about. He claims he's not religious even though he wears a cross around his neck. You could also see a cross hanging on the wall in his home in one of his tiktoks. It's weird. I don't think it's for attention in his case because A LOT of people watched that live stream where he talked about supporting Trump and in the next live stream he said he refused to talk politics after what happened last time. I think he's just rich and conservative, young and dumb. Typical Albertan, they're all Deplorables.

r201 gay Trump supporters are usually white men with predominately white friends. As many of us have said, race still comes before sexuality. What will happen to the young conservative gays? They will double down and be accepted into the Republican Party. They will also be used as a means to show that both parties are for gay people. What's funny, is that the Republican Party will have an easier time reaching out to their white gay men then black or brown people.

I am so thankful for the liberals, of every race, that fought hard for out rights. So many DL posters blow me away with their passion and empathy for others. For every one gay conservative there are probably 3-4 gays that reject the Republican Party.

Self haters. They want to be seen as "independent" thinkers. Like Jews for Hitler.

r202, will you continue to watch his videos and follow his page?

I am full of intellectualized Euro bullshit about American politics and my predictions always turn out to be wrong. But hey I am a conservative gay so TV loves me.

^ Ugh, can't stand him.

He's gay Virgin Mary. He seroconverted just by looking at a giant star rushing through the night sky.

I must be cursed, I know 3 of them. One is a Realtor, racist as fuck, one told me he hated the fact that Shaniqua was living off food stamp but his partner who is unemployed lives of disability spends his money on coke and rent boys on the side.

The second one I know is suffering from massive depression, locks himself inside his house months at a time. He is probably the nicest of the bunch but he will say out loud in public "I am a selfish bastard". Yet he has helped me without asking.

The third one probably the worst of all. He still identifies as Mormon from Utah but lives in CA. He lives in a million dollar house which he inherited from his dead partner. He has never had a full time job from what I can tell and I know he didn't finish college. He is addicted to pills but says he doesn't do drugs. He hates all the "illegal aliens" getting free healthcare even though he is a millionaire and claims he is broke on paper to get free health care. He's racist, thinks all Hispanics in California are illegal yet he tricks with Mexican guys. And what pissed me off the most is when I first met him he told me he was independent, could see both sides of thing. Then as I got to know him, turns out raging Republican, Fox News, Trumpian. Of course he hates California but wont leave.

Richard Grenell.

Don't forget me and my washed up career.

I'm from the south, so I've met my fair share. One was a recently divorced father of two who got into a relationship with a guy my age. He was maybe 34/35 and we were 25. They'd invite me over and we'd have threeways and the guy was a killer fuck with a huge cock. Very handsome in an offbeat way, too. He was really big into theatre as well and then it turned out he was a Republican and ended up having an affair with another conservative guy just like him who actually praised his parents for sending him to a pray away the gay camp when he was a kid.

I couldn't believe either of them. They were both, seemingly, nice and attractive men who were still so eager to please mommy and daddy. It grossed me out. I think they're still together, but they've never made it public. They probably try to tell everyone they're just "roommates."

Some of them are really douchebags and some of them are nice people. But don't lie, that's the only group of gays who has more common sense in regard of the tranny brigade.

It's sad that most gay Lib/Dem is brainwashed with pseudo-science/gender studies and believes that a man in wig and lipstick is a woman and agree with them in women spaces.

Fuck off bigot.

R33 = Posie Parker or one of her cohort of alt-right adjacent TERFs.

[R213], I meant^^

I had a crazy brief affair with this hot butch daddy who was a big ol' conservative. He was a rich Cuban from New Jersey, totally beefy, and talked like Tony Soprano. We fucked like crazy. But my lord was he a self-loathing, reactionary imbecile. Always complaining about taxes and black people and gay guys with AIDS. Whenever we weren't fucking, we just fought.

Shockingly, he had a great group of friends so I hung out with him longer than I normally would (I also developed a secret crush on his best friend who was even sexier - especially cuz he was a democrat).

Anyway, this dickhead had a picture of George W on his refrigerator. A big American flag on the antennae of his huge SUV. His previous relationship was with another Cuban republican and apparently they used to blow a lot of coke and beat the living shit out of each other. (I almost said "HOT!" when he told me that).

I broke up with him over email, telling him that he needed therapy ASAP.

A couple of years later, I was walking down 8th ave with my now husband when he noticed someone was following us. I turned around to look and sure enough it was this nutjob - in a super-fancy Mercedes, glaring at us menacingly. He then floored it and tore down the street, giving us the finger as he went by. Hahahaha. Fucking tool.

R214 R215 R216 TERF? really? Your Ad hominem just proves this fact, keep going.

[quote]For every one gay conservative there are probably 3-4 gays that reject the Republican Party.

I'd hope the ratio was much higher than that!

The liberal types can be just as annoying as conservatives but in different ways. When I was kid, we used to refer to dirty jokes as being off color or insensitive. Now, there is no such thing. Everything is just racist, a far more loaded term. However, if you try to be too polite, and don't risk saying anything even remotely controversial, then you're uncomfortable around different races. Women are now automatically believed and men are just assumed to have ulterior motives. Problematic, a word that I never heard of growing up, is now tossed around liberally when people can't explain why something is offensive. I don't even care to venture into trans issues as I have nothing to say about it and don't want to risk offending anyone.

I've had to work closely with these types and I just resent them immediately, can't help it. I may agree with them politically, but I wouldn't want to spend any time with them.

Start your own thread R220.

I agree with the overall sentiment R220 but I'll take the SJWs over the Trumpers any fucking day of the week and twice on Sundays

R220 Oh puhleeze. What you described is not the average liberal. Maybe super young urban liberals but not most liberals. You way exaggerate to try to prove your point. Conservatives esp the Christian kind are the ones you have to walk on eggshells around.

Things that only gay (or straight) liberals throw in everyone throats and if you disgaree you're "Nazi", "Transphobe" "TERF", etc.

Who's more despicable? Black conservatives or gay conservatives. I can't believe there are black gay conservatives.

You're still beating that old and busted thing, Posie/Milo/Milky Loads AKA R224?

And, now, a teachable moment: let's review how TERFs aligned with alt-right and. basically, became their spokespeople.

R225 I do know a black conservative, albeit a Jamaican who came to Canada with his family as a child. He's very religious so that plays into it.

R225 I was trying to imagine what a black gay conservative would be like and then I remembered that Condoleezza Rice exists. Though of course she was glass closetcase and most people forgot about that time she got called out for it.

It seems to me that most of the gay conservatives are desperate to seem like they're not like other gays. They have a very high opinion of themselves and genuinely believe they are better than the rest of us. I guess declaring themselves Republicans and conservatives is another way to appear "normal" to straight people who they desperately want to accept them.

The cult of the Republican party is so strong that I believe being a Democrat is far worse and alienating than being gay.

In the last 20 years, I have to think that, within Republican families, you would face non-stop shit for being a Democrat. Being gay would not be approved of, but it wouldn't be thrown in your face - it would just be danced around or not spoken about.

I agree with the above posts - I hate seeing conservative gays living in blue, liberal enclaves where they get all the privileges of being in a liberal area.

I also hate seeing conservatives who use the social progress that Democrats provided - Gretchen Carlson comes to mind. Her career came from women's rights movement and then used sexual harrassment laws when she was on her way out for being too old for Fox News. Clarence Thomas is another one who benefited from racial advancement policies, but he acts like he got where he was for being such a brilliant legal mind.

I know a few but they tend to be more socially liberal and they absolutely hate Rump.

[quote]I can't believe there are black gay conservatives.

They're rare, but they're out there. Like this guy, an army veteran. He brings up the Twitterati going after Ellen, Martina Navratilova and RuPaul.

I thought about linking his interview with Candace Owens instead of this one, but I recall that the bitch (as in Candace) actually saying to him in it that she didn't "understand the point of gay pride". To his credit, he immediately disagreed with her on that and explained to her its importance for many gay individuals' journeys. That shut her up about that right quick.

True R230

I met a really hot guy on Grindr and one of the first things he did was tell me how he's not into pride, gay bars, etc. Um...k. If that's the fist thing out of your mouth...issues.

R227 Rational Wiki is a Trans pet (TRA) site, and you're Misogynistic piece of shit. No wonder why that a lot of women voted conservative in the UK, The left is going regressive day by day. (And I'm leftist myself)

TERFs are right-wingers.

the DL is basically now gay conservacunt central

R236 People who throw "TERF" are misogynistic cunts and antibiology tranny lickers.

R237 Disagreeing with some absurdities from the left don't make you a conservative, Asshole.

Ok bigot.

[quote]I thought about linking his interview with Candace Owens instead of this one, but I recall that the bitch (as in Candace) actually saying to him in it that she didn't "understand the point of gay pride".

To be fair, she doesn't have much to be proud about.

Follow Steveotheone on Instagram. Aka Steve o Bobbio the rentboy ho that aged out. He’s a fucking idiot huge trump supporter and in that Justin Bieber Christian church cult. Him and his tranny hooker best friend are bat shit. It’s fascinating to see what goes through a trumpers head

One thing that impressed me is the considerate amount of these "instagays" who likes conservative posts but don't follow conservatives accounts... Shocked.

R234 -- Great typo!

They love telling the rest of us how much we hate certain people, usually white Christina males. Apparently we've overblown what they've done to the world.

They also love Trumpslaining everything by telling us what he really meant when he said something.

[quote]usually white Christina males.

They sound like MTFs.

[quote]There is no such thing as respecting someone else's opinion any more.

I don't know any conservatives who respects anyone's opinion other than their own.

R213, I don't think that's true. From what I've observed it has been mostly left leaning lesbians/straight women and a few gay men that have been calling that bull out for the last several years. I believe it was the lesbians who brought attention to it first. Homocons recently jumped onto the gender identity debate. They have no real understanding of it they just see it as another opportunity to play out their wet dream of "owning the libs" shtick as per usual.

R248 Yes, I know that. Since the "gender identity" ideology affect a lot more women in general (esp Lesbians). and since that ideology doesn't affect gay men much, most of them sadly don't give a shit.

My main concern here is the modern Left is indoctrinating/brainwashing (esp LGB) youth with pseudoscience/gender studies and queer theory bullshit.

They're the (vast majority) ones to spread shit like: Sex is a social construct, Sex is a spectrum, Men and Women are just 'feels', Male vagina/Female penis, SEXuality is based on gender and not on SEX, "genital preference", TWAW/TMAM, etc… and if you disagree with all these bullshit = "Nazi!", "bigot!", "terf!" "you're literally killing us!" "transphobe!" etc…

If you simply have your brains working it's not hard to know what's going on… although I really dislike these cunts (homocons) they don't spread or believe in falsehoods/bullshit like that because of the 'feelings' of a very tiny % of the population. It's sad what the "progressive" Left has become.

R247 I think I see what that poster means. Conservatives definitely don't respect anyone else's opinion but the difference seems to be that they are more likely to tolerate differing opinions among other conservatives, they are a lot less likely to cast out a fellow conservative for not agreeing with them. Though I'm sure their tolerance is coming from a bad place of feeling smug and self satisfied.

Meanwhile just look at the witch hunts that go on amoung young leftwing people, they get the pitchforks ready over small differences of opinion and start foaming at the mouth against people who are also leftwing over the smallest things. Maybe I'm wrong and the right goes after each other just as much but from what I've seen having an unpopular opinion seems much more dangerous on the left.

That's just how I see it and I'm speaking from experience as someone who is as far left as it's possible to be and yet still I've had people claiming I'm not leftwing just because they are politically uninformed and illiterate while being eager to witch hunt. You see it on DL a lot too but that's no surprise since we've had an influx of trolls who aren't even gay.

Conservatives love to talk about "Hollywood elite" as if all progressives or liberals are just as rich. They hate Hollywood because it's one of the few wealthy towns that leans progressive. But if you go into almost any other major city in America, you will find the vast majority of people who live in the rich neighborhoods are conservation Republicans, it's like 90 to 10. They never want to talk or admit there is a Republican elite like the Kock Brothers or Walton family for example.

Democrats fall in love, while Republicans fall in line

Musclebound gay Trumper Biff Boswell is busy on Facebook ranting about how Covid19 is all a liberal plot, championing anti-vaxxers, adoringly quoting Trump AND bragging about how his husband is making masks in the basement. He is vile.

Republicans and conservatives hate Hollywood because Hollywood has an AUDIENCE. Conservatives, especially religious conservatives, want to be the ONLY voice in the room. They can't stand it if anyone has any ideas that are not in lockstep. They love their 2000 year old views and terrorizing control over women, gay men and minorities. Fuck them.

Not to mention anyone in Hollywood, no matter who they are, how irrelevant or faded, is treated like a god if they lean conservative. "Shut up Hollywood!...unless you agree with us!"

[quote]Conservatives definitely don't respect anyone else's opinion but the difference seems to be that they are more likely to tolerate differing opinions among other conservatives, they are a lot less likely to cast out a fellow conservative for not agreeing with them.

R250 Ask Mitt Romney what happens when conservatives don't toe the line.

Every conservative has a severe victim mentality and persecution complex. Everyone is out to get them.

Either you tolerate their intolerance or you're being intolerant towards them.

I've known several. Once you get past their politics, I find them all to have very flawed personalities, somewhat bitter, unhappy in their lives. I don't know if the anger and disappointment in their personal lives is what drives or pushes them to be conservatives, but I've never met one who was pleasant, upbeat, kind, and generous.

The only homocon I've known was a fat angry queen who "rejected" the gay community and became a racist right winger. He was pissed that all the good looking men didn't want him so took out his revenge by becoming a very loud conservative to get attention.

Rush? Alex Jones? They both ping angry asshole closet cases.

^ Ew, no, I don't want those freaks on the team

[quote] Conservatives love to talk about "Hollywood elite" as if all progressives or liberals are just as rich. They hate Hollywood because it's one of the few wealthy towns that leans progressive. But if you go into almost any other major city in America, you will find the vast majority of people who live in the rich neighborhoods are conservation Republicans, it's like 90 to 10. They never want to talk or admit there is a Republican elite like the Kock Brothers or Walton family for example.

Why is that conservatives oversaw an industrial economy and liberals a tech economy where there is even more wealth disparity and less income opportunity? Perhaps things are not as black and white as they seem. The economy was always stacked against the average joe but never more so with the rise of Google, Facebook, and Twitter which have a monopoly on information. Given these facts, it's even more absurd that people are so threatened by some vague attempts by Russia to infiltrate social media platforms, which on their own are regulated by rich liberals.

Not to mention Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos, both who have contributed to China's global dominance and race to the bottom.

[quote] Given these facts, it's even more absurd that people are so threatened by some vague attempts by Russia to infiltrate social media platforms, which on their own are regulated by rich liberals.

Thanks Boris.

[quote] The economy was always stacked against the average joe but never more so with the rise of Google, Facebook, and Twitter which have a monopoly

Uh, No. The average Joe is not competing to start up a Google, Facebook or Twitter, they are actually the vehicle that leveled the playing filed from big corporations controlling the public airways. Before Google, little guys could not afford to advertise in traditional media.

[quote]Not to mention Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos, both who have contributed to China's global dominance and race to the bottom.

Wrong Again! Walmart anyone? They started selling billions of dollars if cheap crap from China decades ago and at the same time pay their employees so little they had to go on food stamps while still employed! Or how about the CEO of Costco? Or the Koch Brothers, or Rex Tillerson CEO of Exon, or JPMorgan Chase, or Home Depot, Goldman Sachs, AIG or hundreds of others who are mostly owned by rich conservative Republicans. They all shipped jobs to China. Including Trump who's ties are made there as well.

How about billionaires llke Jeff Bezos from Amazon, who is a flaming left winger?

R264 Way to oversimplify. Tech jobs have been replacing labor for awhile now. Advertising is not democratized, Google and Facebook still control most outreach. Anyone still talking about Yelp nowadays? They also make billions off their users personal data.

[quote] They started selling billions of dollars if cheap crap from China decades ago and at the same time pay their employees so little they had to go on food stamps while still employed! Or how about the CEO of Costco? Or the Koch Brothers, or Rex Tillerson CEO of Exon, or JPMorgan Chase, or Home Depot, Goldman Sachs, AIG or hundreds of others who are mostly owned by rich conservative Republicans. They all shipped jobs to China. Including Trump who's ties are made there as well.

Those companies are all awful but they didn't get away with half the shit that Amazon, Google, and Facebook are today, mostly because are lawmakers are tech illiterate. Meanwhile, consumers give away all their personal info without a thought.

Don’t forget Chaim starkey aka Conrad from Corbin fisher. From dc mover and shaker to porn whore.

[quote]Those companies are all awful but they didn't get away with half the shit that Amazon, Google, and Facebook are today

Oh really Boris, do tell. I didn't know you trolls were so jealous.

60 companies that payed "0" ZERO NONE нуль taxes besides Amazon. Cherry picking much Boris?

And by the way Facebook's CEO is a closet Republican. NBC News revealed that the CEO of Facebook had a secret dinner at the White House in last October with President Donald Trump.

[quote]How about billionaires llke Jeff Bezos from Amazon, who is a flaming left winger?

He isn't, actually. He's more libertarian than anything else.

Zuckerberg also is more Libertarian or undisclosed Republican. He refuses to take down fake news from Facebook if it's paid for by the Republican party for example. He's also met with Trump at the White House for secret meetings so, if it looks like a duck, talks like a duck, it's probably a duck.

Twitter is also a mouth piece for the piece of shit in the White House. Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey has meet with Trump several times in the White House and refuses to take down his profile or block it even though anyone else in America would be instantly banned from using it the same way Trump does. And now a big chunk was just bought by a billionaire Republican activist Paul Singer.

For gay conservatives Liberals, who fight for gay rights, are bad and Republicans, who fight against gay rights, are good.

What else is there to know about this topic? Oh, all of a sudden it's about nuance, gray areas, and more complicated than that? Yeah, sure Jan.

Republicans are ONLY about making the rich even richer. The reason they want small govt and the elimination of Medicare, SS, VA etc is because they don’t want to pay taxes that help the whole country.

At the same time they want to keep minimum wage low so they can own slaves in their businesses

Bezos, Zuckerberg, and Dorsey are not Republican at all. They may try to act impartial at times but only for self serving reasons.

Yes, at a top-tier law firm in Los Angeles, a lot of the old money WASPS from San Marino were gay and Republican. I found them a bit creepy because essentially they were for a party that hated their very existence. So the ghouls betrayed the rest of the gay community for their own tax benefit.

I am gay and a republican. The reason is because if you are financially successful you should be. Anyone IMHO who is a democrat (unless the stupid billionaires) is a financial looser. They want something for nothing. That has nothing to do with my sexuality.

R279 I think hating billionaires is bipartisan.

R279 loser*

Stupid shit.

r279 = trust fund brat who was born rich, like Dubya and Trump

r279 is clearly a parody. He’s trolling.

[quote]Bezos, Zuckerberg, and Dorsey are not Republican at all

They are not Democrats either. Rule of thumb, it they talk like a duck and walk like a duck, there probably a duck. Actions speak louder than words, watch what they do, no what they say.

[quote]I am gay and a republican. The reason is because if you are financially successful you should be. Anyone IMHO who is a democrat (unless the stupid billionaires) is a financial looser. They want something for nothing. That has nothing to do with my sexuality.

That's a joke right? Clearly anyone with half a brain would realize you don't put people in power who want your very existence of being gay eliminated. How would you stay wealthy if they take away your rights? Besides don't corporations backed by Republicans always want something for nothing? Billion dollar bailouts ring a bell?

I could deal with being conservative in theory -- what I can't deal with is the disdain and hate they have for anyone who isn't like them.

Sadly R275 is on point. Homocons will defend anti-gay conservatives and trash pro-gay liberals.

R286 The ones I know personally don't have any disdain for those not like them. Breitbart commentators and internet message boards are not real life. The anonymous nature of the internet just make people nastier in general.

Many feel we have all the equality we deserve so we should shut up and stop complaining.

They love complaining about how children are at pride parades, and doing drag as if it's gay people doing this to them. They don't blame the straight parents of these children for some reason.

[quote] Many feel we have all the equality we deserve so we should shut up and stop complaining.

No, that's not it at all. Gay conservatives were the ones shrieking that fighting for gay marriage was asking for too much too soon. They are the ones who insist that bad gays, who flaunt their gayness in public at parades and Sex Fairs like the Folsom one in SF, are to blame why "we don't have nice things". They are the ones who insist that Liberals are all fakes who don't want to help "The Gays".

[quote]The reason is because if you are financially successful you should be.

Meanwhile, out here int he real world, the economy always does better under Democratic supervision. If you're successful and you want a healthy economy, you should not be a Republican.

[quote]They are the ones who insist that bad gays, who flaunt their gayness in public at parades and Sex Fairs like the Folsom one in SF

There was a homocon douchebag called North Dallas 40 who used to haunt the Gay Patriot site. He was always ranting about Folsom until I posted proof that he'd been going there for years. He tried to defend himself saying he didn't go anymore and when he did go he behaved himself.

This tiktoker is a Trump supporter🤮

I used to date one. Not my proudest moment. I didn’t know he was a weirdo when I met him, I learned about it after I was already invested. He turned out to be a whackadoodle! He was a self loathing gay Jewish man. It was one of the saddest things I have ever seen. He was all about the South and after we broke up he moved there. He told me some weird story about how he had met with a white supremacist organization. Like it was something to be proud of!! I asked him if they knew he was a Jew homo....

I'd say every gay conservative is mentally ill, but that's unfair to gay people. Every conservative is mentally ill.

There’s a lot of hatred swirling inside gay conservatives

r295 how are you going to stop the story right when it was getting interesting. What did he say?

This reminds of my second favorite Chappelle skit.

R298 that DC skit is pretty accurate. Of course he didn’t tell them he is a gay Jew. He is originally from London, so he has a charming accent and his father’s last name is totally Anglo. He loves to pass himself. He gets off on that shit. It grosses me out. He wrote some article about Dixie and the Civil War, it came to the attention of some assholes in the South and they invited him to speak at a banquet. Some of the people who attended this dinner were active members of a white supremacist group. My ex knew this beforehand and STILL went. He is a sad little man.

How did Chapelle go from the sketch at R298 and this one to being such a fucking prick?