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Sigmund Freud

Going down a Sigmund Freud rabbit hole I found this...

Does this statement on Wikipedia make sense:

“Sigmund Freud's views on homosexuality have been described as deterministic, whereas he would ascribe biological and psychological factors in explaining the principal causes of homosexuality.”

Isn’t the word “whereas” mean to indicate a contrast? Both statements seem to be in alignment. I know it’s Wikipedia, but.

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by Anonymousreply 9April 30, 2020 6:00 AM

Freud was an idiot. It irritates me when someone mentions Freud when talking about symbolism in movies. But he was coked out of his mind so I guess he isn't wholly to blame for his ridiculous theories. Jung is much better.

by Anonymousreply 1April 30, 2020 12:21 AM

Ugh, this is why I hate Wikipedia. Misinformation, political bias, and typos up the wazoo. It should be illegal to use Wikipedia as a source for anything other than entertainment of the Schadenfreude variety.

As for Freud, he thought that everything can be reduced to sex, even a mother's love. Says more about him than anyone else, but I respect some of his views regarding homosexuality (I said some). He didn't want to convert the gays because he knew that it was as biological is heterosexuality is.

by Anonymousreply 2April 30, 2020 12:23 AM

They meant "whereby" not "whereas"

by Anonymousreply 3April 30, 2020 1:56 AM

“As for Freud, he thought that everything can be reduced to sex, even a mother's love.”

It’s rumored that Sigmund had plenty of Freudian slips—perhaps his mother’s undergarments?

by Anonymousreply 4April 30, 2020 2:05 AM

I don't think he was an idiot. He may have been a perv and coked up, but didn't he make everyone think about psychology (and basically everything) in a whole new way? Didn't he make Shakespeare make a lot more sense?

by Anonymousreply 5April 30, 2020 2:17 AM

[quote]They meant "whereby" not "whereas"

So I'm not crazy. lol

by Anonymousreply 6April 30, 2020 3:13 AM

Freud didn't believe homosexuality could be cured or should. His letter to a mother...

In 1935, Freud wrote to a mother who had asked him to treat her son's homosexuality, a letter that would later become famous:

I gather from your letter that your son is a homosexual. I am most impressed by the fact that you do not mention this term yourself in your information about him. May I question you why you avoid it? Homosexuality is assuredly no advantage, but it is nothing to be ashamed of, no vice, no degradation; it cannot be classified as an illness; we consider it to be a variation of the sexual function, produced by a certain arrest of sexual development. Many highly respectable individuals of ancient and modern times have been homosexuals, several of the greatest men among them. (Plato, Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, etc). It is a great injustice to persecute homosexuality as a crime –and a cruelty, too. If you do not believe me, read the books of Havelock Ellis.

By asking me if I can help [your son], you mean, I suppose, if I can abolish homosexuality and make normal heterosexuality take its place. The answer is, in a general way we cannot promise to achieve it. In a certain number of cases we succeed in developing the blighted germs of heterosexual tendencies, which are present in every homosexual; in the majority of cases it is no more possible. It is a question of the quality and the age of the individual. The result of treatment cannot be predicted.

What analysis can do for your son runs in a different line. If he is unhappy, neurotic, torn by conflicts, inhibited in his social life, analysis may bring him harmony, peace of mind, full efficiency, whether he remains homosexual or gets changed.[12]

by Anonymousreply 7April 30, 2020 3:13 AM

The word they were looking for (or should have been looking for) would be 'whereby' or 'wherein.'

Wikipedia is edited by users, with mixed quality results.

by Anonymousreply 8April 30, 2020 3:41 AM

Thanks r8. I thought maybe I was wrong.

by Anonymousreply 9April 30, 2020 6:00 AM
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