If you had a crystal ball that could solve any mystery ...

The true identity of Jack the Ripper.

What happened to the Lost Dauphin?

The Oak Island mystery.

WuFlu origin

2016 Election

How many licks does it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop

[quote]How many licks does it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop

Three.

The death of Natalie Wood and Marilyn Monroe

Who killed Vince Foster?

Two young girls Abby & Libby killed in Indiana in 2017......sad sad case....

I would give anything to be in the Borden House in Fall River and see what happened.

I think about that a lot -- did Lizzie do it? Did Bridget? Was Emma involved? Was it a long lost relative? A stranger? I've read several books on the subject and they all contradict each other.

My nomination is a bit obscure (not sure if it’s been discussed here before?) but I’d like to know the answer to the Dyatlov Pass mystery.

WHET the anti-smoking troll.

What happened to Bradford Bishop?

The disappearance of Brian Shaffer

Who killed the Black Dhalia.

What happened to the body of Jesus?

The Springfield Three

R12 I wonder about that case quite a bit especially since the possible sightings of him in Europe which included one from a former neighbor and another from a former colleague.

The Princes in the Tower

Who was the Poe Toaster?

Who/what organization(s) was involved in the JFK assassination, and what in capacity were they involved (shooters, orders given, etc.)

Who murdered William Desmond Taylor?

[R20], they had to be the sharpest snipers in the world. To not accidentally hit Jackie is something that astounds me. I have an idea that the shooters calmly left the scene and walked to local safe houses. It wouldn't surprise me if they didn't knowo each other.

Oops. "In what capacity"... please accept my humble apologies!

Marilyn Monroe's death

Whatever happened to Lord Lucan?

Do we now accept the version of Jimmy Hoffa's death as portrayed in The Irishman?

Who the hell is the Zodiac Killer??

R27 now that's a good one. Because even now no one is sure. Although most people feel like enough time has passed and they're probably dead.

Who killed all those kids in Atlanta. There's a documentary series on cable right now, and it looks ike there was more than one killer and maybe it was a "copycat."

The killing of democratically-elected political leaders in the second half of the 20th century - oh wait. The CIA and the mob (same thing) did it.

Shameful, disgraceful. And the countries affected are left to pick up the pieces.

Why 'The Beatles' did not have ears and had to wear fake ears.

That is a very good one, R30.

@ r22, "they had to be the sharpest snipers in the world. To not accidentally hit Jackie"

When Lee Harvey Oswald was asked why he shot the President, he responded, "Shoot the President? I didn't shoot the President, I missed Jackie"

Can't decide between Johnny Gosch and JonBenet Ramsey.

How old is CZJ.

Why hardly anybody can see the most obvious solution to who killed JonBenet Ramsey.

It genuinely confounds me.

Please share R35

How anybody can believe someone who says "There is no proof that I am guilty" can be innocent.

They are literally saying that you just can't prove it. They should know, they got rid of the body! Or whatever.

I recall one woman having a convincing theory about her dad being D.B. Cooper and it wasn't the typical attention grab, like some people saying their father was Jesse James, or whatever. I'll have to see if I can find the information. I don't think it was discounted by the authorities either.

The Springfield Three and the Brian Shaffer disappearances really baffle me because with The Springfield Three there were no signs of a struggle in the house and only a porch light was broken. Brian Shaffer was in a bar that had various cameras around and none of the cameras captured him leaving the bar.

r31, sometimes they didn't even bother wearing them. Image search Lennon's morgue photo: no ears.

How the earth was created? What killed the dinosaurs?

R38 Was that Marla Cooper who believed her uncle was DB Cooper?

r38 a large part of me doesn't think he survived the jump, so none of the "serious suspects" that have emerged can be the real DB Cooper. There is no evidence that any of the money was ever spent.

That said, I also wonder how the $5,000 got buried ...

The whole story is very intriguing to me.

The fate of the three inmates who escaped from Alcatraz and disappeared.

MH370.

Can't believe I was first to say it here...

r45 = Richard Quest

Zodiac came to mind right away but let’s face it, chances are the zodiac Murderer is dead.

I think the one I’d want to see solved is the one with the most murders that happened the most recently, so the killer can be brought to justice and possibly be prevented from killing again — and the families can get a resolution of their losses.

That for me would mean the LISK — the Long Island Serial Killer, a prostitute murderer.

[quote]When Lee Herbert Radziwill was asked why she shot the President, she responded, "Shoot the President? I didn't shoot the President, I missed Jackie"

FTFY

Zodiac. Then I’d write a book and make bank!

Dorothy Kilgallen...The mob, Hoover among other conspirators. They never found her file on the Kennedy assassination.

The art theft at the Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum in Boston, 1990.

How the Great Pyramid and Stonehenge were built.

Holy cow, R13, that sent me down a rabbit hole!

r53 I was living in Columbus when it happened ... I still remember seeing flyers about him all over the city.

I want to know what happened to gorgeous Brian too. The bar he was in was recently closed and, I assume, deconstructed, and no body.

Where is BILL TAYLOR spending the quarantine?

@ r48, "Lee Herbert Radziwill"

Herbert? Her middle name was Herbert? I'm surprised she didn't shoot her mother

Thanks to everyone for the new cases to investigate!!!!

R36 It was her father, and only him.

Jodi Huisentruit disappearance- With this case I think her older male friend killed her.

Decomposition -R15 ?

Another here for Jack the Ripper or Kennedy.

R20 There's an alternate theory that Jack was tired of Jackie being a bitch about all his affairs, and his father hired Oswald to whack HER. They missed, and got him instead, and Jackie was like "holy shit, I'm out of here", but when she tried to jump off the back of the car, the SS agent, who was in on the plot, climbed in just in time to push her back in. LOL

What does the government REALLY know about UFOs?

CIA MK-ULTRA.

Imagine Trump's tiny little mind being blown when he was told all that classified info.

R62 it was funny how it was always made out Jackie was trying to heroically retrieve part of JFK's brains when she jumped out of the car. She was clearly trying to get the fuck away!

WEHT the tomb of Alexander the Great.Some say it was eventually destroyed during the wars during the 9th and 10th centuries, but I don't agree. We do know that The first three Caesars all mentioned visiting the tomb, so it was still around then. In Egypt.

The WOW! signal.

Isidore Fink (a real life locked room mystery).

R65 “ it was funny how it was always made out Jackie was trying to heroically retrieve part of JFK's brains when she jumped out of the car. She was clearly trying to get the fuck away!”

She had a piece of his skull in her hand. And she would have ducked not leapt out of the car to run towards the shooter if she was trying to get away.

Asha Degree

I was unfamiliar with this case r69. Very sad

The Lady of the Dunes case. The Jaws tie-in makes it especially interesting.

R43 I have wondered if DB Cooper was working with someone who staying somewhere in that area and he died due to the jump and the partner in crime somehow found his body and took a lot of the cash and buried some of it. I know that probably sounds ridiculous, but the buried money is the one thing that baffles me.

Taman Shud case

Taman Shud case

r72 I have wondered that; however, he jumped over a heavily wooded area. I can't imagine they could have coordinated his exact jump spot?

The buried money is the one piece that never really fits any of my theories though

Kyron Horman

Did Miss Dunaway actually throw piss at Polanski?

Who wrote Shakespeare's works and why they had to use a cover identity.

Shakespeare wrote Shakespeare's works, r78, although he collaborated on his earlier and later plays.

I'd like the ball to show me, in detail, every one of David Geffen's celebrity hookups. I'll relay the information to DL.

The disappearance of Maura Murray.

I've read a lot about Brian Shaffer, very odd case. His 'friend' with him that night refused to take a polygraph test, asked for immunity, cut off contact with Brian's family, didn't help with the search, moved away, started going by his first name rather than his middle name.

Vince Foster's long-suffering family has said many times that he was suicidal. Occam's razor...

I don't believe it, R79. But who do they say were his collaborators?

The appeal of a fat blowhard who becomes president

Never heard of Isadore Find, very curious! Thanks for posting!

Taman Shud has pretty much been solved.

Hasn’t anyone ever heard of the Dylatov Pass mystery?

The black dahlia murder

Or the Atlanta child murders

r83

Why does everyone on Datalounge hate me?

One of Joseph Wambaugh's true crime novels is "Echoes In The Darkness', which told the story of the Main Line Murders in which a homely little schoolteacher named Susan Reinert was murdered and found naked and beaten in the trunk of her car. She'd fallen in love with a fellow teacher, a sociopath named William Bradfield, who convinced her to load up on life insurance and make a will that made him the sole beneficiary and executor of her estate. The former principal of the school where they taught, a sociopath named Jay Smith, was his accomplice. Reinert had two children, Karen and Michael, two healthy, attractive, active, well behaved, nice, loveable kids. Reinert suddenly left her home on a rainy night along with her children. She was found dead in her car. But where were the children? Their bodies were never found. The murders happened in 1979; to this day no one knows what happened to those children. It's like they disappeared off the face of the earth.

Unidentified homicide victims case- the Sumter County Does

R92 I'm guessing that they're dead.

What really happened to Otto Wambier

Very garden variety, but another vote for Jon Benet Ramsey. I do think one of the family members accidentally killed her. Someone may have meant to hit her, but not cause her death. Was the dad sexually molesting her?

I have no doubt that the three escapees from Alcatraz made it.

What happened to the Lost Colony of Roanoke definitively.

What are the 7 secret herbs and spices in KFC chicken.

OP, that looks like H. P. Lovecraft.

R1 There is compelling DNA and other evidence (albeit not accepted by all experts) that Jack the Ripper was a man named Aaron Kosminski who was considered a suspect at the time of the murders

Some mysteries are simply too mysterious to fathom.

The fate of Amelia Earhart

I’d like to know whether Amanda Knox killed Meredith Kercher and if not, who did and why?

Also, what happened to Madeleine McCann.

OP, There's a book with a DL thread at the time of its publication where the identity and background of DB Cooper is clearly explained with lots of photographic evidence.

R105 Not op, but link to the thread?

R105, Here's the link to the preview of the book I discussed in my previous post. There are also YouTube videos of the press conference announcing the book's publication. Yes I own the book.

R95 - we know what happened to Otto.

A defector told a South Korean newspaper that one of the NoKo's favorite torture techniques used on political prisoners was to tie the victim's feet to the bottom of a large container, and then repeatedly raise and lower the water level in the container above the victim's head, slower and slower each time, so they repeatedly experienced the sensation of drowning. Sometimes they didn't lower the water fast enough, and the victim got brain damage, which is what happened to Otto.

r108 thanks. I hadn't heard that

If you research the D.B. Cooper casenat most it boils down to two suspects and the aforementioned book has compelling evidence.

R108, Was Otto guilty of more than just trying to steal a political poster?

Also exactly what was he doing in NK in the first place? Just a stupid adventure traveler?

R110, Watch this YouTube video re the publication of the book and its evidence.

What did "Tot Mom" Casey Anthony do to daughter Caylee Anthony? My guess is that Casey chloroformed Caylee so that Caylee would "sleep soundly" while Casey partied. But when Casey came home, Caylee was dead. But it seemed like the grandparents (George and Cindy) were always available to babysit.

R111, that's exactly what it was. He decided to visit NoKo are a time of particularly poor relations with the U.S. He got drunk and stole a propaganda poster with Kim's face on it as a souvenir - a big no-no in a country where the Kim's are basically legally God's. They decided to make an example of him.

The thing is, 1000's of North Koreans are treated like this every year, only we never hear their names. We only know about Otto because Obama tried (and failed) at a rapprochement.

I hope this doesn't come off as victim-blamey, because it's not my intent. I'm just genuinely curious.

1. Why would you travel to NK as an American?

2. Why would you get drunk in NK and put yourself in a position to make a stupid decision (with dire consequences)?

Was he a known thrill-seeker?

r115 types frau

What happened to Manhattan heiress Dorothy Arnold? Shewent for a walk in Central Park after shopping one day in 1910 and was never seen again. There was no ransom demand anyone knows about. Unlike Judge Crater or Jimmy Hoffa, it's hard to imagine who wanted her dead.

Who killed Elizabeth Short, the "Black Dahlia," and why was her murder so particularly gruesome?

"Was he a known thrill-seeker?"

Otto Warmbier was a privileged dumb kid from a well off family. He craved "adventure" and so he went traipsing around the world. He and a bunch of other young clods went to NK so they could come back and say "I went to North Korea!" The dumb fucks went there using a tour company called Young PIoneer Tours, which promised them a memorable "adventure holiday." Their website had a North Korea FAQ and of course this question was asked: "How safe is it?" Before Warmbier's mishap their answer was this:

"Extremely safe! Despite what you may hear, North Korea is probably one of the safest places on Earth to visit."

It was changed to say: "Despite what you may hear, for most nationalities, North Korea is probably one of the safest places on Earth to visit provided you follow the laws as provided by our documentation and pre-tour briefings."

Now they don't take U.S. citizens into North Korea anymore, due to the Otto Warmbier fallout. I guess they finally realized it is NOT safe to let young dimwits into that deranged country.

Janet Jackson’s career.

Interesting r118. I just read their FAQ and they make it seem like it's totally safe to visit NK

R117 my guess has always been a botched abortion. Probably the answer to many missing women.

There are several mysteries I'd like to know surrounding Tom Cruise.

Did he surrender his ass to Zeffirelli and other male directors and casting directors when he was starting out?

He and Nicole Kidman have never explained why they divorced, although he once famously said publicly during their split, "Nicole knows what she did." What exactly did she do?

Why does his adopted son Connor look so much like he does? Is he Cruise's illegitimate biological son?

What were the goods Katie Holmes had on him that forced him to let her go and take Suri with her?

[quote] [R117] my guess has always been a botched abortion. Probably the answer to many missing women.

Do you mean for Dorothy Arnold's disappearance, or for Elizabeth Short's death and torture and desecration of her corpse?

What they did with Jesus's body.

The Roanoke colony.

Jack the Ripper's identity

R123 Dorothy Arnold.

We have Elizabeth Short's body and it's obviously a murder.

R120, At the time Otto's tour guide chaperoning mostly Chinese nationals had a published list of requirements for tourists to NK. An Asian man stated that the rules were extremely strict even for those used to the extremist Communist dictates.

For example when you viewed a portrait of KJU you had to stand in a certain position and you couldn't appear to be laughing. Reverent attitude required. Social conformity on steroids at all times until you feel like a part of a machine. Sorry but the tour guide's rules were quickly taken down after Otto was returned to the US. Also he refused to escort any more Americans and placed restrictions on other Westerners.

Of course the dress code of all tourists is also regimented, as well as who you can approach and under what circumstances, even at a bar or restaurant designated for outsiders.

Thanks r126. I find NK fascinating and very disturbing (what little I know)

R124, It's been documented that right after the disappearance of the Roanoake Colony Native American children appeared with blue, green, and hazel eyes and other Anglo features. It's believed that the colony ran out of food and were subjected to various ailments and illnesses. Survivors particularly the women and children were taken by the local tribes.

R127, There have been many stories of extremely fortunate escapees on the internet over the past several years. While they don't know each other they all reveal very similar tales of extreme deprivation.

For example it's normal for young women drafted into military service to be viewed as unpaid prostitutes. Babies born even slightly abnormal, common due to the constant lack of nutritious food, are quickly euthanized by doctors. No one who doesn't look perfect is allowed to survive, and that includes both mentally and physically disabled.

Restrictions are more extreme if one lives in or near the major cities. North Koreans learn at a very early age not to think for themselves in any capacity. Thoughts as well as all emotions are programmed.

I’d like to know if The Amityville Horror was a hoax or real

Why did Mary Jo Kopechne's family apologize publicly to the Kennedy family for Mary Jo's death causing them bother?

A little girl named Christine Jessup was kidnapped and murdered a little north of where I grew up. She was 9 at the time and would be over 40 now ..never solved. The original convicted suspect was released and found not guilty. This case has always haunted me since I was around her age when it happened

R122 I have also wondered about Connor looking a lot like Tom.

I also wonder about how Katie Holmes was able to leave. The fact that her father is a lawyer may have some played into her favor well. But, I think she might have had something on Tom that would make Church of Scientology turn on him and for some reason he decided not to fight her too much.

There are several Scientology related mysteries that I wonder about.

-Where's Heber Jentzsch and is he still alive ?

-What really happened to Lisa McPherson and are former Scientologists like Marty Rathbun and Mike Rinder still hiding the full story?

-Was Lisa Marie Presley trying to recruit Michael Jackson into the cult?

-Was late acting coach Milton Katselas instructed to only recruit certain actors in the cult?

-The mysterious deaths listed in the below link

The mysterious legends of Sasquatch and the Loch Ness Monster.

The disappearance of former child actor Joe Pichler.

The death of Amber Hagerman. Snatched off her bike on a suburban street. She was found days later in a river. It's where "Amber Alert" came from. I was in the courtroom when police brought in the first search warrants for a Judge's signature.

What caused Elisa Lam's death and prompted her strange actions in the closed circuit television video of the elevator at the Hotel Cecil?

How did film director Thomas Ince really die aboard William Randolph Hearst's yacht, and if it just was a heart attack, why was it hushed-up so bizarrely?

Let's face it, these three mysteries own this thread:

The Lost Continent of Atlantis

The Ripper

The Little Princes in the Tower

I seriously would like to know how much money the Russians (and the Saudis, the Murdochs, the Mercers, the Kochs, and whoever else) have paid Republicans in the Senate like McConnell and virtually the entire Republican party to keep backing Trump. Alternatively, I want to know if Putin et al have individual dirt on each of the Rethugs, the entire party going back to Reagan maybe, OR....did aliens eat their brains? Especially now with the pandemic...and the potential for a lot of the base to die. I know this thread is supposed to be for "fun," but just thought I'd ask.

How did former escort Jeff Gannon inexplicably into the White House press pool during the W. administration? The White House guest book was later shown to have admitted him many times at night before the scandal broke, but he was rarely shown to have signed out--why did they let that happen, and who was he visiting (since many times he visited there was no press event scheduled)? What happened to him since 2007, when he disappears from sight?

R65: Orange It wasn't made privy to any actual classified information; it was known he can't keep a secret.

Speaking of whom, the mystery I'd like solved is WTF happened during his childhood to create such a monster?

"I’d like to know if The Amityville Horror was a hoax or real."

It was a hoax, an attempt to make money by making up a scary story. Here's a little info on the subject:

In May 1977 George and Kathy Lutz filed a lawsuit against William Weber (the defense lawyer for Ronald DeFeo, Jr. at his trial), Paul Hoffman (a writer working on an account of the hauntings), Bernard Burton and Frederick Mars (both alleged clairvoyants who had examined the house), along with Good Housekeeping magazine, the New York Sunday News and the Hearst Corporation, all of which had published articles related to the hauntings.[citation needed] The Lutzes alleged misappropriation of names for trade purposes, invasion of privacy and mental distress. They claimed $4.5 million in damages.[citation needed] Hoffman, Weber, and Burton immediately filed a countersuit for $2 million alleging fraud and breach of contract.The claims against the news corporations were dropped for lack of evidence,[citation needed] and the remainder of the lawsuit was heard by Brooklyn U.S. District Court judge Jack B. Weinstein. In September 1979, Judge Weinstein dismissed the Lutzes' claims and observed in his ruling: "Based on what I have heard, it appears to me that to a large extent the book is a work of fiction, relying in a large part upon the suggestions of Mr. Weber." In the September 17, 1979 issue of People magazine, William Weber wrote: "I know this book is a hoax. We created this horror story over many bottles of wine." This refers to a meeting that Weber is said to have had with George and Kathy Lutz, during which they discussed what would later become the outline of Anson's book. Judge Weinstein also expressed concern about the conduct of William Weber and Bernard Burton relating to the affair, stating: "There is a very serious ethical question when lawyers become literary agents."

The Zodiac Killer and where that missing boy is located on the Moors.

r141: I actually think he was born that way. He started very early hurting people (I think throwing rocks at younger children, doing something to a teacher, etc.) He probably hurt animals. He was eventually sent to military school because he was not doing well in public school. Some people are born psychopaths. There's a good book by Jon Ronson from a few years' back called "The Psychopath Test," which, besides being quite funny in spots, has some very interesting information about what is known about psychopathy. The consensus, IIRC, is that it is essentially genetic. Of course, he had a strict father from all that we know and possibly an unloving mother. And the father and his living siblings are all crooks essentially. But I think the degree of his malevolence makes genetics most likely. Psychopaths can be very charismatic and charming...which he was to some people as a younger man.

According to her autopsy, Elisa Lamm was not taking her psych meds as prescribed. That could account for some of her odd behavior, if not all.

What was Meghan Markle's exact facial expression when she was told she absolutely would not be allowed to wear to her wedding the tiara she wanted?

What really happened the day DL fave Diane Schuler died.

Was it a murder-suicide? Was she blacked out?

I'd love to get into and solve the systematic corruption of the Chicago democrat machine. From the Cermak days, to the Kelly-Nash machine, to the Daley machine, through Bilandic, Jane Byrne, Harold Washington, Daley the Younger, Rahm Emmanuel (Tiny Dancer) and this lunatic malignant frog eyed dwarf we have now. Then go into all of the national implications, like how the Chicago mob threw the 1960 Presidential election in favor of Kennedy, all of the money piped out of the country by the Daleys to France and Russia, where Daley's son was an "investment banker," and finally all of the ties into Emanual and Barak Obama, the back door deals cut by Michelle's machine ward heeler father and how Obama was engineered into his original State Senator position. Then we can start on Obama's Department of Education, how they graduated from the Chicago Board of Education noted for arguably the worst public education in the world, how once on a national level they cracked down on vocational schools to depress the stock price, and then scarf up all of the stock and take the schools over for themselves. You're going to find more corruption there than in all of the deals the Bidette made for his family!

I'd want to find out how the guy who took the pictures of Prince Harry naked in Las Vegas wasn't able to get one of his dick.

Uh, R102? Wouldn't you want to know who killed your daughter?

Get a load of the Russian bot at r148.

What really happened at Epstein's NYC mansion the night then 13 year-old "Jane Doe" says a drunken Donald Trump tied her to a bed and raped her. This allegedly happened about the same time Trump told New York Magazine that Epstein was a "terrific guy...who likes beautiful women as much as I do, some of them on the younger side." Jane Doe dropped her lawsuit in 2016 after receiving death threats. Classy bunch, those Trumps.

He thought it would be cool to see it and bragged to his frat boy friends about going. They asked Otto to bring back a souvenir. His parents, the people angry at Obama, supported his decision to go over there. He was caught on camera stealing a poster. Some people think that the video was altered and Otto was setup. Based on what his friends said about bringing something back from NK, I tend to believe he was trying to take the poster since his flight was going to leave the next day.

His story is a perfect example of a kid letting his privileges get in the way of reality. Americans should not visit countries that the US government has direct citizens to avoid. Our government does this to protect us from these hostage situations and to advance our geopolitical objectives. Otto and all of the Americans that go on these tours to NK are reckless. But if you go anywhere outside of your home, you should act in a respectable manner. According to NK, Otto did not do that, which is why he was the only one to come back (on a private jet) brain dead. The US government had to spend tax dollars bribing (the Trumps) and negotiating (the Obamas) with NK over Otto.

Im still pissed at his parents for blaming the Obama Admin, as if Barrack told that boy to go over to NK and act like a typical frat boy. Such a stupid moment in time. After all that money spent to bring him home, his parents hide the cause of death.

Has anybody asked "Who killed Epstein" yet? r153? And while we're at it--was Bill Barr's father, the headmaster of Dalton who hired Epstein, a pedo or a pimp? Is Bill Barr a member of Opus Dei or another bizarre right wing cult? Why don't people like Barr care about their formerly good reputation?

On another note--Is James Comey just an idiot, a paid Trump plant (doubtful), or did he hate Hillary Clinton THAT much? And how does he make a living now that he's alienated everyone on both sides? I vote stupid and the Dunning-Kroeger effect...but maybe somebody else has some inside dirt?

R121, the "botched abortion" thing is just something people come up with when they can't explain the disappearance of a woman decades ago. I can't think of one case where a woman was accidentally killed in a botched abortion....then the abortionist took the time to bury the body where no one would find it

The disappearance of West Point Cadet Richard Cox in 1950. Shortly before his disappearance he met with an "unidentified man" - there has been some speculation that he was gay

Did Leo Frank really kill Mary Phagan?

I'd love to know if we are finally going to get full disclosure regarding what UFOS are. The release of information recently is intriguing.

r158: I saw the UFO thing in passing in the media. Don't you think that's red meat to distract the Trump base? Why now?

Good one r88! The root of evil podcast with the family of the man who supposedly killed her is addictive and amazing. Stay away from the miniseries as it is very fictionalized. The podcast was on point!

R88.

John Huston was friends with George Hodel and some believe he may have also been involved with the Black Dahila murder.

I’d like to know the mystery why the Kardashians are so successful

R159: I was just saying the same thing. Those videos are more than 10 years old and we last heard about them in 2017. Even if they are UFOs, the middle of a pandemic seems like an odd time to bring it back up. I can’t figure out whether it’s to distract us, frighten us further or bury the news while we are preoccupied with a more immediate problem.

An oldie: The mysterious disappearance of Judge Crater.

Hodel had no connection to the Black Dahlia. All the "evidence" is bullshit made up by Hodel's family for $$$$ and attention

Beware of anyone who claims their dad was the Zodiac Killer or the Black Dahlia murderer

R148...Typical for a left winger. I'm a Russian bot? How come I know so much about Chicago politics? You people love to throw dirt and accusations without facts, and that's exactly what the whole "fake news" business is all about.

Did Carol Burnett and Julie Andrews really have a "same time, next year" thing going when their husbands were alive (or still now)?

Brian Shaffer for me as well. That is the most bizarre and random missing persons case I've ever heard of. What the hell happened to that guy?

[quote]WEHT the tomb of Alexander the Great.Some say it was eventually destroyed during the wars during the 9th and 10th centuries, but I don't agree. We do know that The first three Caesars all mentioned visiting the tomb, so it was still around then. In Egypt.

It is possible that his tomb is still out there somewhere in the desert. If it is, and it was found, it would be the biggest archaeological find of all time.

Jennifer Dulos

George Smith

Bison Dele

It's pretty obvious what happened to Jennifer Dulos and Bison Dele

I personally think Otto Warmbier was trying to work with the Christian organizataions in China that help North Korean refugees. He probably was not very adept at it, and got caught. Or maybe that's what the North Koreans thought he was up to. There are a bunch of groups that serve as an underground railroad that help escapees make it to Thailand and from there to South Korea. I also believe that the US and South Korea know exactly what happened to him. It's still closed off but the number of escapees has increased in recent years. Because of this I don't believe much of what these governments say about North Korea. They know what is going on. (I think Kim knows he can extort the US, China et al in order to hold on to power).

r117 there's a theory that Dorothy Arnold hopped on a train to some other part of the US and lived under an alias. Back in the first half of the 20th Century it wouldn't have been terribly difficult to pull that off.

Was Matthew Shepard an innocent young man who was murdered because he was at the wrong place at the wrong time with two of the wrong people? Or was it a drug deal gone horribly wrong? I've seen plenty of arguments about why exactly he was murdered and how well he really knew the two men responsible. So I'd like to know for sure what happened.

These aren't mysteries. This is just boring FrauSleuths murder shit.

Id like to know what happened to those girls that supposedly went missing at Hanging Rock in Australia in 1900. "Picnic at Hanging Rock" is such a haunting film.

R122 Cruise is also close with Conner and apparently hasn't seen either of her daughters in years.

Did Michael Jackson molest those kids or not?

"What really happened the day DL fave Diane Schuler died."

There's no mystery to that. She was a secret drinker and a control freak. She also smoked pot, although her family insisted she only did it at night to relax. She believed she was in control in every situation. No doubt she'd driven drunk before but figured she could handle it. After a camping trip her worthless husband took the dog and headed back home, leaving her to pack up and drive a long drive with five small children in the car. Wanting to take the edge off and probably pissed off as hell she smoked pot and stopped to get orange juice to mix with the vodka she had in the car and started guzzling. She overdid it, got blotto drunk and started speeding. Driving the wrong way she plowed into an oncoming car and ended up killing herself, her nieces, her daughter and three men. There was no evidence that proved she had a stroke or a heart attack or a seizure or diabetes or was hallucinating due to incredible pain from a toothache, or a headache or a cyst on her leg. There was no physical cause for her actions. She drank and smoked pot and drove because she thought that she could handle it. That's what happened.

"Id like to know what happened to those girls that supposedly went missing at Hanging Rock in Australia in 1900. "Picnic at Hanging Rock" is such a haunting film."

That movie was a work of fiction, you twit.

What r180 said

"Did Leo Frank really kill Mary Phagan?"

NO. He was tried and convicted and lynched because he was a Jew. He was given a posthumous pardon in 1986.

I'd like to know what happened to JonBenet, and the reason I mention her here, out of all of these cases, is that it's possible her case could still be solved. Burke and John are alive, and Burke is a young man. Even if they didn't kill her, I believe they know who did, and exactly what happened.

Obscure, but I'd like the translation of Minoan Linear A script.

What happened the night Anthony Bourdain died? What was the final straw that made him decide to kill himself? Was it all really because of Asia Argento the way people say?

I used to believe 100% in Frank's innocence, R183, but I'm not completely sure anymore. And he wasn't actually pardoned.

Sorry, that link again, but in the right place now.

"Did Michael Jackson molest those kids or not?"

We're talking about MYSTERIES, dummy.

It was a pardon based not on Frank's innocence, but in compensation for the fact that the state failed to protect him from lynching and to bring his killers to justice.

Those who STILL wonder about JBR should read a book called Foreign Faction.

"I used to believe 100% in Frank's innocence, [R183], but I'm not completely sure anymore."

All the evidence pointed to the guilt of Jim Conley, the factory's janitor. He was black but the public didn't want a mere black man to be punished for Mary Phagan's death; they wanted a white Jew to suffer and be killed for the murder of pure little white girl. He was tried, convicted and lynched because he was a Jew, not because of any hard evidence against him.

The Princes in the Tower were killed by Henry Tudor, getting them out of the way to his throne.

R92 I have to look into that. Wambaugh was a cop and great writer. Elmore Leonard was a fan. Thanks for the tip.

JFK

JonBenet

The Lindberg baby

Trump/Putin

What happened in the plane that killed Carole Radziwell's dear friends JFK JR and Carolyn Bessette-Kennedy

Why Andy Cohen faked the Corona Virus.

Who shot JR?

[quote] She [Diane Schuler] was a secret drinker and a control freak. She also smoked pot, although her family insisted she only did it at night to relax.

When watching "There's Something Wrong with Aunt Diane," it seemed as though Diane's husband and the sister-in-law (married) were a "secret" couple. I think Diane knew that when she crashed.

There was a scene when the sister-in-law went outside to smoke a cigarette and she said: don't tell anybody; nobody knows that I smoke. She and Diane's husband insisted that, if Diane had been an alcoholic, they would have known. And there she is (SIL), outside, smoking cigarettes and, supposedly, nobody knows.

Agree that she bought the orange juice to mix with her vodka.

Who did the Appalachian trail remains belong to?

I read a book that dealt with the Mary Fagan Murder in Georgia. The KKK and the local political machine were behind the lynching, and the cover up. The name Talmadge comes up. It was about the factory, and the jobs, that's why they went after Leo Frank. An outsider, and a Jew. He didn't kill her.

Read David Maraniss's book A Good American Family. If you like American History, especially about that period dealing with the House Committee on Unamerican Activities and the so-called Red Scare, e tc. It's about his family, particularly his father.

R170 Alexander’s tomb shouldn’t be in the desert. It was located in downtown ancient Alexandria which means that if there are any traces of it left they should be found beneath the modern city or beneath the waters of modern Alexandria’s harbor

How the Jews were slaves in Egypt when there is absolutely no archeological evidence?

"The mysterious legends of Sasquatch and the Loch Ness Monster."

Neither of those famous monsters ever existed. But they make a good story. There have been videos and photos of "Sasquatch" which are laughable. One showed a man in some kind of furry suit; I think you could actually see the zipper in his monkey suit. There was a famous photo of the Loch Ness monster that showed what looked like a dinosaur-like head coming out of the water, but it was later a complete hoax. The "monster" was a toy submarine. People just want to believe anything.

R202, Alexander's body was moved at least three times before winding up in the center of Alexandria.

It's doubtful that anything survives to be found. While Emperor Caracalla is recorded to have viewed the body of Alexander at his tomb, it apparently did not survive the advent of Christianity; John Chrysostom is said to have remarked (perhaps tauntingly), “His tomb even his own people know not.”

[quote] The Princes in the Tower were killed by Henry Tudor, getting them out of the way to his throne.

Where's your proof that that theory is correct? Scholars have absolutely not agreed on what happened.

OP, how many turns does one get at the crystal ball? I mean - I've got lots of questions to which I'd like definitive answers. But if one only gets a single chance to ask one question, then I'd have to put serious thought into prioritizing them, to settle on the right question.

That would be really tough to do. Maybe so much so that I wouldn't be able to bring myself to ask it anything.

Hanging Rock is a work of fiction that included historical facts. There were two young female students who disappeared in that area around 1900.

R202 it wouldn’t surprise me if the right-wing Christian lunatics who ran Alexandria in the late 4th/early 5th century tore down Alexander’s tomb as they did so many other pagan shrines in the city

[quote]Brian Shaffer for me as well. That is the most bizarre and random missing persons case I've ever heard of. What the hell happened to that guy?

This news report from February is about a photo of a man in Tijuana many thought might have been Brian Shaffer.

Sasquatch exists, I've seen him with my own two eyes

I think many Sasquatch sighting are just ordinary animals or ordinary objects that are seen from a distance and can't readily be identified. I've never heard of an up-close sighting, it's always from some distance away, so it's very possible what people think is some strange creature is just some ordinary thing and their eyes are playing tricks on them.

[quote]Why did Mary Jo Kopechne's family apologize publicly to the Kennedy family for Mary Jo's death causing them bother?

In general, there is a quite of bit of mystery regarding Mary Jo's death and Chappaquiddick. Many people don't believe the "official story" that was given to law enforcement due to discrepancies with the timeline given by Ted Kennedy and changing stories from the Boiler Room girls and the cop who claimed he saw the car later than the alleged time of the crash.

Some people believe that Mary Jo was in the backseat of the car drunk or asleep and Ted and another woman were in the front seat. The car crash happened and they didn't know Mary Jo was in the back. They got out and didn't find out until later.

The podcast Cover-Up which was produced by People Magazine did a pretty job of covering the Chappaquiddick incident. The journalist looked into the third passenger theory and a couple of other theories. She interviewed MJ's cousin who revealed that her aunt and uncle regretted not having an autopsy done on MJ. Friends and colleagues were interviewed as well. Several people in the podcast mentioned that Mary Jo loved working for Bobby Kennedy, but wasn't a fan of Ted. I recommend the podcast over that movie that came out.

Also, Joe McGinnis wrote a book about TK in the 90s and in the section about Chappaquiddick, McGinnis pointed out how Boiler Room girl Esther Newberg changed her story about that a night a couple of times. The excerpt from McGinnis' book is below and from reading it you get the sense that McGinnis wasn't really buying the "official story" and in a way it seemed like he calling out Newberg on lies. Newberg is a literary agent and a part of wonders if McGinnis had some kind of beef with her.

[quote] Hanging Rock is a work of fiction that included historical facts. There were two young female students who disappeared in that area around 1900.

Link please.

[quote] it wouldn’t surprise me if the right-wing Christian lunatics who ran Alexandria in the late 4th/early 5th century tore down Alexander’s tomb as they did so many other pagan shrines in the city

R209, that's sort of what I was hinting at at R205, but didn't have room for the other link. ;)

[quote] Picnic at Hanging Rock is an Australian historical fiction novel by Joan Lindsay. Set in 1900, it is about a group of female students at an Australian girls' boarding school who vanish at Hanging Rock while on a Valentine's Day picnic, and the effects the disappearances have on the school and local community. The novel was first published in 1967 in Australia by Cheshire Publishing and was reprinted by Penguin in 1975. It is widely considered by critics to be one of the best Australian novels. [bold]Although the events depicted in the novel are entirely fictional, it is framed as though it is a true story, corroborated by ambiguous pseudohistorical references. [/bold]

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[quote] Picnic at Hanging Rock is written in the form of a true story, and even begins and ends with a pseudohistorical prologue and epilogue, reinforcing the mystery that has generated significant critical and public interest since its publication in 1967. However, while the geological feature, Hanging Rock, and the several towns mentioned are actual places near Mount Macedon, [bold]the story itself is entirely fictitious.[/bold] Lindsay had done little to dispel the myth that the story is based on truth, in many interviews either refusing to confirm it was entirely fiction, or hinting that parts of the book were fictitious and that others were not. The dates named in the novel do not correspond to actual dates in the 1900 calendar. For instance, Valentine's Day, 14 February 1900, occurred on a Wednesday, not a Saturday; similarly, Easter Sunday fell on 15 April in 1900, not on 29 March.

🤕 Whatever Happened To Baby Jane ?

Judy Hyams went to have an illegal abortion and was never seen again.

About three months before Dorothy Arnold disappeared she spent a week in Boston with her boyfriend. The timing would have been right for her to find out she was pregnant and make arrangements for an abortion.

Would anyone want to know their exact time and date of death? Depending on the answer I feel like it could be a relief.

R216, how many people do you think assume it's based on a true story? I did, up until relatively recently. Helpful thing, the internet, at least most of the time... I think. ;)

How quickly might a pre-internet, largely pre-literate society come to believe that a piece of literature [italic]transvaluating[/italic] another body of popular literature (such as the Homeric Epics) was relating an actual historic occurrence? A piece of literature like, say, the Gospel of Mark?

1.Marilyn’s death 2.The identity of Jack the Ripper 3.Who killed The Black Dahlia 4.The identity of The Zodiac 5.StoneHenge

The Springfield Three is absolutely baffling. Nearly 30 years later and not a single clue has come forward. How the hell did that happen?

In the Richard Cox case investigators took Cox's roommate to underground gay clubs in NYC, hoping to spot Richard or the elusive George.

The murder of Bob Crane. A friend of his was tried for the murder about 15 years later, but was acquitted, there was never any viable evidence of his guilt. He died some years later.

The Springfield Three was never solved because critical evidence was destroyed. The crime scene was trampled by well meaning friends and family. The obscene messages were erased by Janice's mom who didn't want Sherill or Susie to hear them. The glass shards from the broken light were thrown away.

What actually happened to Natalie Wood. And why they booked Robert Wagner as a speaker on a TCM cruise a few years back.

[quote]And why they booked Robert Wagner as a speaker on a TCM cruise a few years back.

I would imagine that the organizers didn't believe that Wagner killed her, therefore no reason not to have him.

[quote]How the Jews were slaves in Egypt when there is absolutely no archeological evidence.

This is interesting because I remember seeing a documentary a few years ago that suggested that skilled artisans and craftsmen had constructed the pyramids, not slaves. They said the bones of the workers suggested they were well-fed, had medical treatments, etc. This doesn't mean they were not slaves or that slaves were not used but they may not have been treated as badly as we perceive slaves must have been treated. During construction, actual towns sprang up with markets and housing, suggesting a free market operation.

Who killed Sandra Bland in a Texas jail. And how many people in that lockup participated in either the killing OR the continuing cover up.

Is Kim Jong Un dead or un dead?

I want to know which bible thumper murdered Madalyn Murray O'Hair and her son. And I want to know why Dotard tRump's personal attorney William Barr had Jeffrey Epstein bumped off?

r230 she killed herself. She had mental health issues prior to her arrest that included self-harm. LEOs were negligent in not checking on her, especially b/c another inmate reported she was emotionally distraught. They also didn't have mental health assessment training, but that was not a deliberate act.

R227 I’m pretty sure that Wagner and Robert Osborne were close, longtime friends

[quote]How the Jews were slaves in Egypt when there is absolutely no archeological evidence?

They weren't, R203. The claim was first introduced with the books of Genesis and Exodus, some two millennia after the Pyramids were built. Genesis and Exodus were written in Alexandria in the 3rd century BCE, under the equivalent of a 'cultural studies' grant sponsored by Ptolemy II Philadelphus. The scholars' primary sources were Berossus' 'Babyloniaca' and Manetho's 'Aegyptiaca', both being a sort of 'CliffsNotes' containing summaries of millennia-worth of Mesopotamian and Egyptian literature.

Once knowledge of the claims of Genesis and Exodus began to circulate, though, as you might imagine, the Egyptians were quote indignant at the baseless claims. The very first recorded incidence of anti-semitism coincidentally occurred at Alexandria in the 3rd century BCE, when Manetho hit back at the Jewish claims.

Because these biblical books are part of Western religious heritage, it's not often recognized how casually defamatory they were, like the claim that the nations of Ammon and Moab were the product of drunken, incestuous rape (Genesis 19:37–38). These were political statements aimed at contemporary (3rd century BCE) neighboring peoples, not history.

I want to know the identity of that Colorado poop jogger lady!

[quote]I want to know which bible thumper murdered Madalyn Murray O'Hair and her son.

It has long since been solved, R232.

R155 Mary rogers. Not buried but discarded. It happened all the time. Which is why abortion laws are so important.

R237, it was also the subject of an episode of Forensic Files. It was one of their better episodes but then, I love all of them.

Zodiac. And IMHO, the Paul Stine murder is the key. Whoever walked into that high-end row house is probably the killer. (Or one of, if there was more than one.) In all my true crime reading over the years, if a high profile case like this isn't solved after a decade or more it's usually b/c it involves law enforcement, or has some kind of UMC/wealthy connection that buries any inquiries, including LEOs who may be working the case.

Jack the Ripper, too. I still think both cases are solvable. In the Ripper case, historical documents could surface, somewhere out of left field; like the Littlechild Letter, but more definitive.

JFK/RFK/MLK assassinations

Where OJ's knife ended up

The knife was probably in that duffel bag (or whatever it was) that OJ tossed in the trash can at the LAX terminal, right after the murders.

I thought Robert Kardashian threw it in a river-or some body of water. I don't think OJ touched it--too risky. Plus, he's a highly recognized celeb-I doubt he's carrying around murder weapons in public places. IIRC, Kardashian renewed or activated his law license in order to 'provide him advice' but it was really to strategize a cover-up & put it all under attorney/client privilege.

The Beaumont mystery - three young siblings who went missing together in 1966.

OJ was observed tossing a duffel bag or something like it in a trash can outside the terminal at LAX, something incriminating had to be in there. But yes, Kardashian was seen leaving OJ's house with a garment bag that was never seen again. Maybe something was also in that bag.

R244, Australia's Beaumont siblings disappearance has been solved.

^That lead never panned out. Their mother died recently never knowing what happened to her children.

What happened to Shelly Miscavige, wife of Scientology leader David Miscavige. She hasn't been seen in years.

R230 I'd also like to know this. I've even heard people say she was already dead before they took her mugshot and that it was actually a picture of her corpse which they staged (possibly even with the help of Photoshop) to make her look alive. The idea of that is horrifying and I can barely stand to look at the picture. I'd like to know how she really died and if she was still alive in her mugshot.

Did Lucy and Viv really have a secret lesbian love affair

R215, sadly I agree that it was very likely destroyed...but according to Julius Caesar and some other notables who went there, it was out in the desert near some Oracle Alexander visited once. His mother, who was tribal and superstitious, and a bit crazy, always insisted Alexander was the son of Zeus. (which infuriated Phillip.) Alexander asked this famous seer to confirm it and apparently they did. Which made him, according to the rules of Greek mythology, some kind of Demi-god, because his mother was human. Whatever.

Now it might have been moved closer to Alexandria and thus destroyed by the Christians, or during some conflict or invasion later on, because it was allegedly very opulent, loaded with gold, etc. but if the Tomb remained out there in the desert, then it may very well still be intact. His half brother Ptolemy intercepted the cortege as it made it's way to Macedonia, and brought it with him to Egypt. Ptolemy was a bit older but he was close to Alexander.

Now there was some school of thought that Alexander was so revered by the Ptolemies, that one of the great grandsons may have wanted to move the body into a permanent building, some kind of huge temple shrine in Alexandria. But yes, parts of ancient Alexandria sank into the sea. So maybe there will be evidence there. Too bad they burned Hephaistion. Because Alexander died so soon after that they could have been buried together. Alexander like the embalming thing, preferred not to be burned. I many ways he was very Eastern in his outlook, which generated a lot of resentment among the insular Macedonians.

I believe Johnny Depp. I think Jack the Ripper was some deranged, important person of great influence connected to the Royal Family. There was the syphilitic prince who married a hooker and had an heir with her, and it scared the shit out of Queen Victoria, who wanted everything taken care of so this guy, who was very proficient with knives, (probably a surgeon) killed a bunch of her hooker friends to make it seem like there was a serial killer loose and killed her too. But IMO that part seems nuts. Just get rid of the hooker. No need to kill a half dozen to cover it up. Who ever did it must have enjoyed it.

I'd like to know when Serial killers were first discovered?

What do you mean, r253? The phenomenon of serial killers or a specific one?

The Shroud of Turin...

What I mean R254, is that for centuries people killed for an accepted reason. Husbands killed wives or wives killed husbands. Robbers killed, there were rituals killings or revenge killings, etc. So there was a "reason" and usually easy to figure out.

But when did authorities figure out that there were random killings by one person for no apparent reason? I was watching Mindhunter on Netflix and I wondered. When did we humans discover that there were sick crazy stalker types predators who killed?

[quote]The Springfield Three was never solved because critical evidence was destroyed. The crime scene was trampled by well meaning friends and family. The obscene messages were erased by Janice's mom who didn't want Sherill or Susie to hear them. The glass shards from the broken light were thrown away.

I've always felt bad for those friends and the mom who erased the messages. They probably beat themselves up about what they did.

I think if The Springfield Three happened today/or recent years, it would have been solved or there would be a lot more evidence due to technology. There would be evidence from cell phones, some of the neighbors would have cameras facing the street and there would be traffic cameras and cameras from nearby businesses.

Absolutely r257. Traffic cameras, GPS, security cameras everywhere, the vehicle used to abduct the women would've been caught on camera. Today, that crime probably would have been solved rather quickly.

R255 If the mystery is how exactly it was created, then ok. But if the mystery is whether it’s the burial cloth of Jesus, then I don’t think the Shroud of Turin is all that mysterious. The earliest identifiable record of that particular artifact is a 14th century letter written by a French bishop to the pope saying that an artist confessed that it was a forgery. Radiocarbon dating on the shroud came back with a date of...surprise!...the 14th century. So I think that particular “mystery” has been solved.

Michael Rockefeller

Eastern by cannibals?

^eaten

"About three months before Dorothy Arnold disappeared she spent a week in Boston with her boyfriend. The timing would have been right for her to find out she was pregnant and make arrangements for an abortion."

There was zero evidence that she was pregnant

"Mary rogers. Not buried but discarded. It happened all the time. Which is why abortion laws are so important."

Her murder is unsolved. People theorized that she had an illegal abortion but, in reality, she was strangled. You don't strangled someone to give them an abortion.

The Disappearance of Joan Risch

r260 he was such an idiot. Instead of going on some adventure out there, he should have used his inheritance or trust fund to actually help Africans. He could even done something about the plight of black people in America. He was an odd ball. I also wonder if instead of if a alligator or something else got him.

A lot of you want to see some dark stuff. Not sure I'd be interested in watching someone get murdered like many of you on here. I would like to know if God exists and what his expectations for humans may be.

If we have a second wish, I'd like to know about other life in the galaxy and if they have been in contact with Earth.

R104, Meredith Kercher was murdered by the career criminal who had a history of breaking into houses armed with a knife, and whose bloody fingerprints and footprints were in her bedroom, and whose DNA was in her body. Knox had nothing to do with it. The real mystery is why that loony prosecutor insisted she was guilty.

Bigfoot is bears on their hind legs.

[quote]Bigfoot is bears on their hind legs.

I think this explains many Bigfoot sightings.

"I would like to know if God exists and what his expectations for humans may be."

Spoiler Alert: God doesn't exist

The Tamam Shud case was solved?

What obscene messages in the Springfield 3 case?

I haven't heard of these.

The Tamam Shud case was NOT solved

I thought someone upthread said it had been solved.

The thing that's never made sense to me about the Springfield Three case is when the friend of the two girls went to the house that morning and saw all of the women's personal belongings there, alarm bells didn't immediately go off. Their cars were out front, their purses, wallets and keys were all in the house. Where the hell is somebody going to go without their wallets and keys? All three of them, at the same time? Also, the mother and daughter were heavy smokers and their cigarettes were in the house. If you've ever known a heavy smoker, you know they won't leave the house for even five minutes without taking their cigs with them. But the friend was just like "oh, whatever" and left. It was hours and hours later before the police were called. That's always struck me as odd, that the friend didn't think something was very wrong right away.

If they did, they were lying

Michael Rockefeller died in what is now Papua New Guinea. He could very well have been killed by a snake such as the Papuan Taipan, a subspecies of the Australian Coastal Taipan, which is the third most dangerous land snake in the world. Every year about a thousand people die in Papua from bites of the Taipan.

R271 I thought the friend or Stacy McCall's mom called police sometime that morning.

Police weren't called until well into that night, after Stacy's mom went over to the house.

I have two, both from 1970:

The fate of Connie Converse, the 1950s NYC singer/songwriter. In 1970, she packed up her VW Beetle and drove away, never to be heard from again.

What happened to Sean Flynn, son of Errol Flynn, who disappeared in Vietnam while working as a photographer in 1970.

I'd like the ball to tell me if there is a guy for my in this world and where I can find him. I'm getting a little long in the tooth and never had a relationship.

r171: I do know what happened to Bison Dele. His girlfriend, Serena Karlan, who also went missing with Bison and was on the boat with him was the niece of one of my closest friends. I know her parents quite well. There were articles some years later that explained that Bison and Serena were killed on the boat by Bison's brother, who was apparently deeply jealous of Bison's success. He dumped the bodies into the Pacific in mid-ocean, then sailed the boat to where it was found; was it Tahiti, don't remember. He eventually admitted the crime to a female friend of his and committed suicide on a beach in Mexico. Serena was a beautiful, wonderful, kind person. I babysat her when she was a child! Needless to say, her family (I know the whole family) have had great difficulty getting over her murder. She was her mother's only child. The mother is doing pretty well now because she's a strong person. I don't know her that well but I know another family member quite well.

There was an article in maybe the LA Times quite a few years ago about Bison and his brother's mother. You could probably google it. I believe the article explains the outcome. It could have been 10 years ago or more though.

The Disappearance of Miami of Ohio student Ron Tammen in 1953

The Austin Yogurt Shop murders. In 1991 four teenage girls were tied up, raped, shot and burned to a crisp in the yogurt shop where two of them worked (the other two, the sister of one of them and a young friend, just happened to be there). It was a very high profile case; four young girls, horribly murdered, in a supposedly "safe" area and workplace. There was a billboard erected featuring the faces of the girls with the legend "WHO KILLED THESE GIRLS?" and offering a reward for any information that could solve the murder. The investigation went on for years. Finally two young clods "confessed" to the murders. They were tried and convicted; however but were released from custody in 2009, for lack of evidence. There was DNA found in the girls and none of it matched the young dopes who were convicted of the crime. The murders remain unsolved to this day.

The identity of these two people

I think we know enough about the Tamam Shud case to get a sense of what happened, even if it's not ever going to be completely explained. The woman on the phone knew who he was and went to her grave without telling more; there was a strong possibility that they were spies, and I can imagine that some government wanted him dead and unidentifiable.

There are some fascinating clues and dead ends that we'll probably never get closure on, like why was he killed at that particular time and in that way, although it was probably just happenstance that whoever did it saw the opportunity and took it. I also wonder about the edition of the Rubaiyyat that the "tamam shud" came from; isn't it true that it doesn't completely match up with any known edition?

So what is that terrible picture from, R281?

r283 it may or may not be a picture of Tara Calico, who disappeared from New Mexico in 1988.

No one is sure

That doesn't look like her at all -- the brow is totally different.

Re: Hanging Rock -

"...historical research uncovered a local police gazette that told of two girls who had disappeared in the same area as Hanging Rock in the late 1800s. The girls’ descriptions match those of the missing young ladies in the novel Picnic At Hanging Rock. McCulloch says further evidence leads her to believe that “two girls were abducted” and “the girls were possibly hidden in one of the bottomless crevices of the rock."

That's not Tara Calico in the picture (which was probably done as a joke or something)

There's a podcast on Tara Calico called Vanished. It produced and hosted by a friend of Tara's. The main belief is that Tara was killed by then country sheriff's son and her body was buried or hidden away by the son and his friends. The sheriff's son was a known trouble maker and people believed the dad and his law enforcement pals covered up for the son. The son died to a self inflicted gunshot which the family claimed was from playing Russian roulette and others believe it was suicide. Also, several people over the years did go to law enforcement to talk about suspicious incidents involving the sheriff's son and the guys rumored to have help kill Tara or dispose of her body.

Everytime someone spins a story about how some local yokel did it but can't get arrested because he's too powerful.....lol. People who are actually powerful have been arrested, but a hick is untouchable?

^^^Hicks tend to have hick friends, prone to doing hick things. It happens.

I went through this whole thread today and feel damaged. I have to say though that the disappearance of Asha Degree at r69 sent shivers down my spine. What in the world would compel a 9-year-old girl to sneak out of her family's home at 4am and then walk alone on the side of the highway in the pouring rain? Before scampering off into the woods and never seen again?

To get Jeffrey MacDonald to confess. The longest running criminal case in our nation's history.

As mentioned above, JFK-RFK-MLK, the truth.

Zodiac.

Etan Patz.

What was on the missing minutes of the Watergate tapes, and how did they happen to go missing.

Ethan Patz case was solved or at least a very credible suspect was found

"What in the world would compel a 9-year-old girl to sneak out of her family's home at 4am and then walk alone on the side of the highway in the pouring rain? Before scampering off into the woods and never seen again?"

To meet someone who she thought was her "boyfriend", perhaps? In 2016 in Blacksburg, VA a 13 year old named Nicole Lovell sneaked out of a window in her parent's home to a wooded area in order to meet up with a 17 she'd met online, who she regarded as her boyfriend. He and an accomplice killed her (slit her throat, it was said) and dumped her body on a rural road in North Carolina. My guess is that Asha Degree did something similar; ran off to be with a "boyfriend" who killed her.

Sean Flynn

That little English girl who disappeared in Central America with the fucked up parents

Glenn Miller

Natalie Holloway

Years ago I went to a seminar through work where an FBI agent talked about serial killers. I was working in a law-enforcement-adjacent role. There were current law-enforcement people there. Before bringing up any particular case the guy asked if anyone there had worked on that case. He said he started to do this because whenever he gave these presentations inevitably someone would pipe up and say that they had worked on that case and that his facts were wrong. It made me realize that case facts on the internet can be very incorrect.

R291& R294 Someone once wrote a very convincing post on the r/unresolvedmysteries subreddit arguing the theory that she was groomed, likely by a teenager or twentysomething.

The Atlanta Child Murders.

KKK members killed the majority of the kids in Atlanta.

But, it's not official, R299. Speculation - even if I fully believe it - isn't the same as formally solved.

LOL, okay. Hopefully someday the LAPD can find out who killed Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman.

Now that O.J. is out of prison he's no doubt resumed his search for the real killers.

It's crazy that no one mentioned that -- give me the crystal ball! I need to know for a fact who killed Ron and Nicole.

OJ is still investigating but so far, no evidence has turned up on the golf course.

Maybe Detective LaToya can help?

Most people believe OJ killed Ron and Nicole. That's not true at all for the KKK and the kids in Atlanta. But continue.

Nicole would've had cameras covering every inch of that condo if it were today. Every time OJ showed up to stalk her, it would've been all over the internet.

How differently that whole saga would've played out in today's world.

There were at least three obscene phone calls made after The Springfield Three disappeared. Around 9 a.m., Janelle Kirby and her boyfriend visited the house after Streeter and McCall failed to show up at her home; they had planned to spend the day at a water park, and were supposed to leave from Kirby's residence. Upon arriving, Kirby found the front door unlocked and entered the home, but found no sight of Streeter, McCall, or Levitt; each of the women's cars were parked outside. She also reported to police that the glass lamp shade on the porch light was shattered, though the lightbulb itself was intact. Kirby's boyfriend helped her sweep the broken glass off the porch, which police later determined may have destroyed potential evidence. Inside the house, Kirby found Levitt and Streeter's dog, a Yorkshire Terrier named Cinnamon, who appeared agitated; while inside, Kirby also answered a "strange and disturbing call" from an unidentified male who made "sexual innuendos". She hung up and immediately received another call of a sexual nature, again hanging up the phone.

Several hours later, McCall's mother, Janis, also visited the house after failed attempts to reach her daughter by phone. Inside, she noticed all three women's purses were sitting on the floor of the living room, and also saw her daughter's clothing neatly folded from the night before. Levitt and Streeter's cigarettes were also left inside the house. Janis frantically called police from the home's telephone to report the three women missing; after placing the call, while checking the phone's answering machine, she listened to a "strange message", but it was inadvertently erased from the tape. Police were "very interested" in the call and believed it "may have contained a clue".

WHO actually KILLED ROBERT WONE? And who helped cover it up? AND WHY? AND HOW DID THEY COVER IT UP SO FAST? This is the first thread that brought me to DL. Its A RABBIT HOLE. Murderous SnM PnP throuple in Gay DC . Fascinating! How did they get away with it???

Why Gary didn't talk Lucy out of Mame.

Sherrill Levitt and Susie Streeter had recently moved into that house. Susie's graduation gift was a bedroom suite. I wonder if the cops investigated movers or delivery men.

Suzie had a recent ex-boyfriend who was involved with some super-shady people. Illegal shit. It's been theorized that these people took out a hit because of what she may or may not have known about their activities.

There is practically nothing to go on though, so who knows. Just a theory that many people have believed over the years.

R138 I visited the Tower of London in September 2019 and after the tour I asked our Beefeater guide about the legend of the Princes in the Tower and he said that their bones have been found hidden inside a wall in the Tower but that they can't be confirmed by DNA tests because Westminster Abbey (where they are interred in an urn) will not give permission. The Queen refused the boys' exhumation. Of course all this still does not tell us who killed them.

For anyone interested in the missing princes - Channel 4 did a “trial” of Richard III. They had real barristers, a real judge, a jury and expert historians as “witnesses” (including a VERY bitchy David Starkey) and a verdict. You can watch it all on YouTube

It’s 80s so dated looking but, obviously, still filled with fascinating info.

Also, Josephine Tey’s Daughter of Time is an exceptional read. Think it was voted the greatest mystery novel of all time (with justification). Her fictional detective is laid up in hospital and investigates the mystery of the missing princes from his bed. Can’t recommend that highly enough.

Personally, I think the child bones in the tower were very likely the boys. They were the right age and probably related (due to the same genetic trait of having some missing teeth) - plus, whoever they were, they died an unnatural, secretive death. Burying bodies in unconsecrated ground was a massive deal back then and would never have happened unless the deaths were sinister. But none of that tells us who killed them, of course.

[quote]including a VERY bitchy David Starkey

Hilarious!

A friend of mine once heard Starkey give a talk. He said he was utterly brilliant.

[quote]That little English girl who disappeared in Central America with the fucked up parents

Are you perhaps talking about Madeleine McCann who disappeared in EUROPE, specifically PORTUGAL?

[quote]WHO actually KILLED ROBERT WONE? And who helped cover it up? AND WHY? AND HOW DID THEY COVER IT UP SO FAST? This is the first thread that brought me to DL. Its A RABBIT HOLE. Murderous SnM PnP throuple in Gay DC . Fascinating! How did they get away with it???

I think that creepy guy Dylan Ward killed Wone and the other guys Victor and Joseph worked quickly to help cover it up. IIRC, the police and paramedics noted that when they arrived on the scene Dylan, Victor, and Joseph all looked like just showered and were wearing bathrobes.

[quote]Sherrill Levitt and Susie Streeter had recently moved into that house. Susie's graduation gift was a bedroom suite. I wonder if the cops investigated movers or delivery men.

I think they might have. The neighbors also reported a white van cruising around the neighborhood before the disappearances. The police have looked into see movers or delivery men used a unmarked white van.

As an historian, I've had a few areas of pet interests over the past two decades. (My main focus is and has been American Political History) Alexander the Great's tomb being one, and the princes in the Tower is another. (I also want them to finish excavating the underwater palace of Cleopatra.) Anyway, as far as I'm concerned Henry Tudor's mother Margaret Beaufort and Buckingham were responsible.

Richard III was an excellent military strategist for his older brother Edward. But he wasn't very political, trusted a lot of the wrong people, made bad decisions. And he was the dupe the Tudor faction pinned it on. They needed to spread propaganda that Richard was a monster who betrayed his own brother's trust (Edward was popular) and who murdered his own nephews out of ambition. As time passes this will all come out. I wonder if Charles will allow the DNA testing.

What I find interesting is how the Tudors exploited Elizabeth Woodville's anger at Richard III to manipulate her to ally with the Tudors against Richard. Interesting because they were able to sow enough suspicions to cause her to act against her own interests. She was already pissed off at Richard because he declared her marriage null and void , said he had evidence (of questionable provenance) that Edward never legally married her so her sons were bastards and could not succeed Edward.

Whet the Christmas Mouse.

[quote]As an historian,

But apparently not a grammarian.

R320, you're wrong. The "H" is silent.

Where the fuck is Waldo.

I didn't see it earlier in the thread, but I would really like to know the truth behind the West Memphis three. Too much evidence was overlooked in favor of pinning it on the three who were convicted. That's another case that if it happened today none of it would have went down the same. We have the one kid's dad who had a history of domestic abuse and organized crime involvement, before and after the murders, and he also knew the three boys who later took the fall.

My personal theory is the dad killed the boys in the woods. The kids probably saw a drug deal going down involving the father, since anecdotal evidence points to him being involved in the illegal drug trade in the town. To keep the boys from running away, he tied them up. Once he realized he would never get away with it, he killed them. It was witnessed by the drifter who was reported to have cleaned up blood off his hands and clothes at a truck stop nearby who never came forward out of fear for his own life. That drifter may have actually been the person delivering the drugs. There was also another local teenager, also known to be involved in the drug trade, who fled town during the investigation and later failed a polygraph when asked if he had any involvement. He is a likely accomplice.

The "mutilations" to the boys were either due to exposure and mis-categorized by an inept investigation or were done by the father to cover up his actions and place blame on the "devil-worshipers" he knew hung out there to get drunk and high.

He is fine R231 and sends his love.

R322 He moved to Britain and changed his name to Wally.

[quote]you're wrong. The "H" is silent.

Only if you're Cockney. The word is not "istorian" and the H is not silent.

The Disappearance of Danielle Imbo and Richard Petrone Jr. Two of the main reasons it's so fascinating is because it's very recent as far as cases of disappearances go - happening in 2005 - and at the time, social surveillance (community and private security cameras, etc) were already being used. One of the possible scenarios is the couple were targeted by criminals, attacked or killed and their bodies dumped into the nearby Delaware River although you would think someone somewhere would have noticed the abduction.

Isn't there a documentary on cable now about the West Memphis Three? I can't remember where, not sure if it's Netflix or HBO, or some other random.

R326 in spite of your snide comment I will say you are sort of right. In America we say A historian. In England they say "An historian." The "H " is softened to barely a whisper. I studied in the UK during my junior year and I actually feel that the softer British grammar is better. BTW: BOTH ARE CORRECT. See? We're both right.

R327 it could be a simple driving off the road at night and into a body of water. They'd been drinking after all. Lots of bayous down here and people end up off the road, in the water, all the time in bad weather or simply driving at night.

I guess like some others upthread, I want to know the big religious stuff. I want to know who wrote the so-called Gospel of Mark, and why. Where is he? Who is he talking to? Where is he getting this stuff? Is it all made up?

R329 I don’t think it’s just a British thing. I studied history here in the U.S. and we always used “an” before “historian” “historic” etc. In fact, I had a professor freshman year who marked up a paper I wrote when I used “a” instead of “an”

Did Courtney Love do it

^ Not directly. But if she was in your face 24/7 death would be a relief.

[quote]Only if you're Cockney.

Only if you're Eliza Doolittle.

Who took the killer shot at JFK? And who was behind that second shooter?

I went down an internet rabbit hole reading about Brian Shaffer. That is one strange, baffling case.

R337, Wish I knew LE 3 major theories of what likely happened to Brian Shaffer.

Posters on Reddit and elsewhere seem to think he drunkenly went out the partly blocked rear exit and either fell or was attacked & robbed by strangers. It wasn't the best area of town. Fewer think he faked his own death.

Where's Mama June been?

The back exit was also covered by a security camera, r338. From everything I've read, there were only two exits to that bar.

Maybe the same thing happened that happened to that other guy who they found in a wall. Somehow he'd gotten trapped and never found.

I'd love to know how Elisa Lam ended up in the water tank.

Maybe the same thing happened that happened to that other guy who they found in a wall. Somehow he'd gotten trapped and never found.

I'd love to know how Elisa Lam ended up in the water tank.

Here's your crystal ball: There was only one shooter. It was Lee Harvey Oswald.

The bar where Brian disappeared has been closed and remodeled into office space. If Brian's body was there it would have been found.

Bricca Family murdered 1966 Cincinnati's West Side. A subdivision where the houses were practically on top of each other. Beautiful Mother Linda, husband who worked at Monsanto and their 4 year old daughter Debbie - all stabbed to death. Rumors about the 23 year old wife sleeping around with a married veterinarian. Also a local kiddies show host was a suspect. Chilling even 54 years later.

[quote]I thought Robert Kardashian threw it in a river-or some body of water. I don't think OJ touched it--too risky. Plus, he's a highly recognized celeb-I doubt he's carrying around murder weapons in public places. IIRC, Kardashian renewed or activated his law license in order to 'provide him advice' but it was really to strategize a cover-up & put it all under attorney/client privilege.

I always thought Kardashian had a total "I'm going to hell" expression in the verdict annoucement video.

Kardashian was slack-jawed and looked stunned when the verdict was announced, as if he couldn't believe OJ got away with it.

R345, Valerie Percy's unsolved murder is also discussed in this thorough review of the Bricca Family.

I don't think it was the vet who did it. Likely he was trying to protect his practice and his wife and family. I do believe he might be having an affair with the young wife. Sounds to me like a professional hit.

MH370

r349 that's basically been solved. The captain did it in a murder/suicide. He was divorcing (or recently divorced), had money problems & was an avid supporter of a politician jailed by the Malaysian government. (The latter is taken very seriously there, and it's a long, involved story--basically, it can affect your career to back a losing horse in that country)

It was like the Egyptian air crash where American analysts were pressured by TPTB to be "culturally sensitive" to the point where there was a nasty, unprecedented rift between the Investigators and their superiors. It was so bad, it spilled out into the wider aviation community. The MH370 investigation had similar disagreements, but they were cooled down before aviation journalists got wind of it and made some of it public.

OP didn't you watch this movie to find out what happened to D. B. Cooper?

R350, Such a coincidence that so many employees of one particular company perished on MH 370 and the direct change in ownership and extreme profits of high tech as a result.

Now there's something to jog the memory. Senator Charles Percy of Illinois's daughter was brutally murdered and it has never been solved.

I would ask it to solve the mystery of how Donald Trump managed to win the 2016 election.

She was planing to be a mom along with her young, beautiful partner. But it didn't happen. Case resolved.

R354 Wikileaks etc

R354 you might start by asking the right person, Vladimir Putin. I have to wonder if that vile little ogre will finally write a memoir about how he "conquered" America with an imbecile. Not now, but in a few years. He's had so much success with it, I bet it's hard to keep it to himself. He's openly admitted he wanted Trump to win and he still supports him. Oh. and all the medical supplies he sent here on three cargo planes? He billed us for it. $600,000.

R348 it was widely believed Linda Bricca was desperate to leave her husband and force the Vet to divorce his wife. Linda was stalking him the week before she died. The kiddie tv host was a friend of the Vet's and partied with him. I recall him from my youth -he later became a tv weatherman at our local ABC affiliate. The theory that HE killed the parents and had to kill the little girl -she would certainly have known him from tv - is freaky.

Did Ken Lay manage to fake a heart attack and disappear to a tropical island? Or was it really just a coincidence that he died before he was sentenced and before his family would have lost $43.5 million in ill-gotten gains? Maybe Mrs. Lay killed him to protect the family fortune?

I have always wondered about the identity of Orange Socks (the woman allegedly killed by Henry Lee Lucas -- but now we know he didn't)

Looks like she was finally identified after forty years

"it was widely believed Linda Bricca was desperate to leave her husband and force the Vet to divorce his wife. Linda was stalking him the week before she died. "

It wasn't "widely believed" that she wanted the vet to divorce his wife nor was she stalking him.

R361 it was widely believed. People who lived on Greenway KNEW the score. Where are you getting your info? There was a gay writer who wrote a few books about the case that were fascinating. Summer's Almost Gone came out a few years ago and the writer did a brilliant job.

Linda Bricca worked for the local vet part time. Why would she then need to stalk him?

Crime scene and subsequent clean-up appeared to be a professional hit. How would a vet know how to accomplish this without any of the neighbors seeing or hearing anything?

r362, I read the book. It was believed that they were having an affair.....there's no evidence that she wanted him to leave his wife. And saying she was "stalking" him is a big stretch.

R364, After reading the book who do you and the author think committed this horrific triple murder?

Do we have a That’s Been Solved troll now? MH370 really hasn’t been solved. The disappearance of the Beaumont children hasn’t either.

The dogs in the Bricca’s household were sedated. Also, vets would know how to cleanup a messy bloody situation. If he had vet tech do it in a practice, he would have certainly seen it done (and would have cleaning products)

Is that murder happened today, it would be solved

60 years ago, white men privilege (especially educated men of means) was not only prevalent, but deadly (mostly) to women.

Bundy got away with such ridiculous shit, it’s sickening.

MH370 solved ? Only conspiracy theories

I don't think the DB Cooper hijacking has been definitely solved either

R330 why aren't the sch in school and schedule pronounced the same in Britain?

Lord Lucan

Did Hitler die in Berlin or did he die in South America.

Hitler died in Berlin. His corpse was positively identified through forensic dental analysis.

At the risk of being called a nut, I'd like to know who makes these elaborate, precise designs, how they make them, and for what purpose? This is more than a couple of guys with ropes and boards. I'd just like to know they put so much effort and time into playing a hoax.

I know R375, they must have an awful lot of free time to fill.

I misread this thread as "If Crystal Gayle could solve any mystery ..."

I find the Walker County Jane Doe fascinating because I think it'll be solved. Also, it's a controversial opinion, but I think she was assaulted and killed by a woman.

Sometimes I scroll this site.

It's fascinating but very sad.

I remember this story. Can't believe this guy hasn't been apprehended yet. He killed his two teenage daughters in Texas.

RE r380:

[quote]He drove both daughters to Irving, where he shot them both to death in the taxi cab. Amina died instantly, while Sarah managed to call 911 before she died, screaming "Help, my dad shot me! I'm dying, I'm dying!"

The D.B. Cooper hijacking would be about 200th on my list.

Big thanks to the person who recommended the podcast "Root or Evil". What an insane family story. It really does seem likely George Hodel killed Elizabeth Short, aka The Black Dahlia.

I went down a rabbit hole on that Walker Texas case not that long. I believe she was picked up hitchhiking (which was common back in the 70s). If I can find the link which explains the story plus who the think the victim was, ill post it

There were a couple of other crimes like this one. Male Serial killer.

R38 Please do. Although I lean towards the killer being a woman, I'm open to other theories.

I tried to watch the documentary about the West Memphis Three, Paradise Lost and I couldn't get interested.

I think the West Memphis three are guilty, guilty, guilty. I just don't see how a single person, even an adult, could control all three boys.

The Voynich manuscript. Who created it and why, and can the code be broken and the text read.

Good one r388!

There was a recent article about the Voynich ... maybe in The Atlantic

"It really does seem likely George Hodel killed Elizabeth Short, aka The Black Dahlia."

Only if you ignore all the evidence

R359: Ken Lay is playing board games with Jeffrey Epstein in an undisclosed location.

r391 I always wondered that about him. I think it's 50/50 he either faked his death, or TPTB killed him, fearing he'd talk. I don't think he died a natural death.

I also wonder what happened to Frank Matthews & Amado Fuentes.

Larry Harris has said he knows who killed The Black Dahlia, as stated above.

There has never been ANY hard evidence to prove the identity of who killed Elizabeth Short, the "Black Dahlia." But a lot of people wanting to make a buck have said they solved it. There was some stupid book by some woman called "Daddy Was The Black Dahlia Killer" that was total bullshit. And there was that guy who said his father, who was a doctor, did it. For proof he offered two photos he said he found in his father's possessions, claiming they were photos of Elizabeth Short. Anyone with eyes can see that the photos are NOT Elizabeth Short. After the murder, there were a slew of confessions by people claiming they'd offed the poor loser girl. But they were all just seeking attention. All these people claiming to have "solved" the murder are just in it for the money and the attention. They can't prove a thing. The murder of the Black Dahlia remains unsolved.

The “orange socks” Jane doe victim was finally identified

WM3 are definitely guilty, the dumb one spilled everything and his testimony got thrown out due to a technicality. Johnny Depp's involvement in their release made me see him in a new light. There have been rumors for decades that Depp is a satanist. Amber Heard took pictures of words he wrote on her wall with his own blood. Creepy.

George Hodel may or may not have killed the Black Dahlia, but he did sexually abuse his daughter, Tamar. Horrible, vile story.

R396 is a joke. The only evidence that Hodel abused his daughter comes from the daughter, who accused a bunch of other guys of abusing her, too, and doesn't seem like the most reliable person in the world. She claimed he fathered her kid and DNA proved otherwise

The West Memphis Three were railroaded and weren't let go on a "technicality" - they were let go because prosecutors realized the case against them did not hold up. Johnny Depp isn't a "satanist" but he is a bad person

Reagan & Geo. H. W. Bush conspiring with the Iranians to delay the release of American hostages during the 1980 presidential campaign.

JLo's career

R399 Well, I think her portrayal of Selena in that biopic gave her a good career boost.

Speaking of Selena, I actually wonder if there is truth to Yolanda Salvidar's claims that Abraham Quintanilla threatened her life. Abraham was a shady stage manager dad and I have always gotten the vibe that he was just as shady as Yolanda.

Yeah, hell r391.

The website referenced at R390, "The Daily Mirror" also did a good job of destroying the credibility of Scotty Bowers in a series called "Full Service: Fun with Fact Checking." It really showed that Scotty's tales had little basis in fact.

r394 Not all the books written were that crazy. There were a couple of good books on it that had non-sensational, excellent accounts of what they think happened. One was written just a few years ago, and it made the most sense-I think it was just called The Black Dahlia. I forgot the titles-another casualty of my crashed old MacBook.

Whether Aleister Crowley and Barbara Bush share any DNA. Kitty Kelley convinced me with some pretty impressive research as to the locations of Mr. Pierce, Mrs. Pierce, and Crowley around the time Babs would have been conceived, but hard evidence would be nice.

Did Carole fucking Baskin do it

R396 has got to be DR. That troll is obsessed with satanism in Hollywood and thinks everyone is involved.

DR knows she’s possessed by Satan, so she does everything she can to obfuscate.

Years ago, I invented an unusual business model that pissed off some powerful, crazy competitors. In the end, they engaged in a campaign of lies and had the business re-regulated on a Federal level, making it untenable.

Along the way, there were a number of crimes, still unsolved, against the business. One involved breaking and entering at a remote location and theft of a key piece of equipment.

3 candidates emerged:

The owner of a business which operated under a license I granted, opening up just days after the theft.

An engineer and manager working for the landlord where the equipment was located.

A particularly insane competitor, who engaged in legal and illegal forms of harassment.

The first had been on the premises days before the theft in a manor that suggested 'casing the joint.'

The second had made what seemed like a clear attempt to 'set up' another tenant in the building where the business was located.

The third made reference to causing the theft later on during what amounted to a blackmail attempt.

Years later, one of them, on his deathbed, appeared to use a 'straw man' to set up a business deal that seemed to include compensation for the lost equipment. But even that was too murky to make him the prime suspect.

The statute of limitations has run out.

THis murder has always fascinated me. I was a young teenager when it happened. (Yes I'm an old fart in his 60's.)

The murder of Patricia Curran in Northern Ireland

Same, R8, the Abby/Libby case. I want that man FOUND!!!!

Bermuda Triangle

Where the fuck does my other sock go after it was in the dryer? I have six different socks and I can't find the matching ones.

Socks get bounced up onto the ledge of the washing basket during agitation, and then fall down in between the basket and the outer hull of the machine, R413.

Oh dammit, you said dryer, not washer.

If your socks are getting lost in the dryer, you're probably cursed.

(R412) The Bermuda Triangle is one of the most heavily trafficked waterways/airways, so more potential for accidents. Also a larger number of rough water and rogue waves (80 feet!) due to the ocean currents and other natural systems in that area.

Everyone knows you must make sacrifices to the sock goblin. That's where the socks go.

I thought it had been determined that the Bermuda Triangle was methane gas pockets disrupting instruments causing so many planes to go down.

All the weird shit that's happened in the Bermuda Triangle is from naturally occuring processes, nothing supernatural.

Most of these are basically solved. We all know Burke killed Jon-Benet, Lizzie killed her parents, and so on and so on.

We don't know Burke killed Jon Benet.

This question is not widely known, but heard the oral history from an elderly man in SC when I was a child. He had details that I haven't seen published.

Was John C. Calhoun the actual biological father of Abraham Lincoln?

[quote]Most of these are basically solved.

No, they're not. But feel free to pull more stupid shit out of your ass.

What the next Powerball #s will be.

R412: Orange It spent summers at Camp Bermuda Tri as a child and teen, the lone camper. You may note there has been little to no activity reported there in recent years.

[quote] We all know Burke killed Jon-Benet

Really? So a prepubescent child whacks his sister in the head so hard she’s instantly unconscious and rather than call an ambulance both of her parents decide to rape her with a paintbrush, tie up her hands, put duct tape over her mouth and strangle her to death. After hiding her in the furthest reaches of their house they concoct a “kidnapping-gone-wrong-that-morphed-into-a-sex-crime” scenario, write a letter on their own paper with their own pen and merrily call the police.

Anyone who “knows” that’s what happened is a fucking moron.

R22, the shooting of JFK hardly required the skills of an expert sharpshooter. The car was traveling at such a slow speed that it might as well have been a stationary target.

I'm not sure we'll ever know what exactly went down, but I think all arrows point to Patsy and John knowing more than they told authorities about JonBenét's death.

All signs point to John, none to Pasty and Burke.

What really happened when Harry met Meghan.

[quote]Sherrill Levitt and Susie Streeter had recently moved into that house. Susie's graduation gift was a bedroom suite. I wonder if the cops investigated movers or delivery men.

Somewhere on websleuths posters wondered about and someone said there was police records of interviews with the guy who installed Susie's waterbed. A bit OT, I was a elementary school kid in the early 90s and my older siblings were teens/early 20s and I remember them talking about how their friends were given waterbeds as birthday or graduation gifts. It seemed like a bit of trend.

[quote]Sherrill Levitt and Susie Streeter had recently moved into that house. Susie's graduation gift was a bedroom suite. I wonder if the cops investigated movers or delivery men.

Somewhere on websleuths posters wondered about and someone said there was police records of interviews with the guy who installed Susie's waterbed. A bit OT, I was a elementary school kid in the early 90s and my older siblings were teens/early 20s and I remember them talking about how their friends were given waterbeds as birthday or graduation gifts. It seemed like a bit of trend.

R426, From that distance and with the weapon they "found" it was impossible for LHO to have knelt in 6th floor window of the the School Book Depository and accurately got off two (or three) shots wounding Connally and killing JFK. He allegedly was accused of using the Italian Carcano BOLT Action rifle. No one necessarily disputes Oswald owned it, ordered it from mail order, but the sighting mechanism was defective, and it was impossible to get that many shots fired in that period of time. It was not an automatic weapon and the sighting had to be manually adjusted after each shot because of the recoil. Oswald was right. He said "I was a patsy" meaning he was the fall guy, not the actual assassin.

R432 [quote] and it was impossible to get that many shots fired in that period of time

This has been disproved over and over and over again. It was more than possible.

Sometimes it really is just a lone nut who commits crimes.

No, 433, you can't shoehorn those shots into that time frame no matter how hard you try. it may have been "proven" but the reality is far different from that version of events. Each time the gun is fired, the bolt has to be drawn again. It's not a glock sidearm, and it's not an automatic weapon of any kind. My father was a cop and he loved his guns. We never got along but I did pick up some knowledge. The Feds did a pretty good job of trying to convince us it was Oswald, the lone gunman, but it wasn't. I think most people accept that now. If they hadn't showed us the gun, complete with the provenance of ownership, they might have got away with it.

I would like to know what happened to Susan Powell. She was a young Mormon girl who inexplicably fell in love with a geeky weirdo named Josh Powell. His whole family was crazy, especially his pervy father, who was in love with Susan, videotaping and taking pictures of her without her knowledge and hoarding personal items that belonged to her like her underwear and used tampons. She and her loony husband had two little boys. Josh Powell couldn't hold a job, and Susan Powell had to provide for the whole family. He handled the money, and spent it however he wanted. Susan Powell suspected her life might be in danger (she told somebody in an email that if she died in what looked like an accident it might not be one) but still didn't leave with the kids. Being a Mormon, she wanted to make the pathetic marriage work. In December 2009 she disappeared, poof, just like that. Josh surmised she maybe had run off with another man, although no evidence existed to suggest such a thing. He was considered a "person of interest" but was never arrested. Susan's parents went to court to get custody of her children,; they got them but Josh Powell got visitation rights. On one such visitation he slammed the door in the social worker's face, subdued the little boys with "chop wounds" to their heads and neck, and touched off a fire that blew the house up, killing himself and the boys. Susan Powell, although most certainly dead, has never been found. I hope her remains are found someday; it would mean a lot to her family to give her a decent burial.

I don't know who killed JBR, but it was someone in that house that night. The parents staged everything, the note, the 911 call, the cracked window in the basement. Those last five seconds of the 911 call are interesting. Modern technology used by the FBI is able to identify three voices. The official story was John and Burke were upstairs asleep. Why lie about that? What did John mean when he told Burke "we're not talking to you!" Why be upset with Burke (allegedly asleep)?

How much wood can a woodchuck chuck?

Burke and Jon Benet were having a late snack. Pineapple. something happened between them. Maybe she teased him. He popped her in the head with that hammer thing. Anyway, she hit the ground. Mom or Dad took Burke upstairs and tucked him in with a talking to, and went to deal with the Jon Benet situation. She was dead. So they stage her kidnapping and murder and discovery in the basement. Burke was never to know he fatally injured his sister during a petty childish spat. I Recently read a sad newspaper article about a 5 yr old kid who accidentally shot and killed his 12 yr old brother while playing with a loaded gun. This started out similarly. But then the Ramsey's concocted this wild kidnap and ransom bullshit and all to protect Burke. Not because they felt like he murdered her. What he did was an accident. But they wanted to protect him from the knowledge that he killed his sister, and the stigma that would attach. because I don't think he would have been in danger of arrest.

^wasnt she raped too?

I would like to know what happened to Lucy Schuhmann of Louisville, Kentucky. She vanished from St. John in the Virgin Islands in September 2019. A recent medical school graduate, pilot, rumored to have possibly been involved with the DEA. Her family didn't search the island. Why? Where is she? Dead or alive? Witness protection program? Kidnapped? If you look into her disappearance so many things about the case do not add up.

JonBenet killed herself. She knew she was a very bad girl for eating that extra pineapple slice, so she first knocked her head about, and when that didn't work, she wisely garrotted herself. She was extremely naughty but at least she knew what she deserved.

[quote] ^wasnt she raped too?

No.

I always think I've heard all the great unsolved mystery stories on DL (I can't believe how many times I've heard the stories about the Dyatlov Pass incident or "Tamam Shud" or "Who Put Bella in the Wych-Elm?"),. but the one about the Bricca family is new, and very creepy. It certainly sounds like a professional hit... but why?

The cause of homosexuality. Why are around 5-10% of people born gay or lesbian?

I would ask the crystal ball, "Who hurt you?"

I believe there are throw away people in society. People with no family or friends who are largely invisible as they go through their lives and if some predator kills them, no one would even notice they're gone. And to know there are predators out here looking for people like that, scares me to death. How many Jeffrey Dahmers are out here? Or that guy in Indiana who buried all those people? OR John Wayne Gacy? It's very scary. Don't isolate yourselves. Reach out to others. Pay attention.

If there's an afterlife, I'm eager to see the faces of all those fact-deniers who were convinced that LHO didn't kill JFK. And consign them to live in eternity with their kindred "OJ is innocent" rubes.

R13, what do you think happened to Brian Shaffer? Your post led me to reading a couple of articles and listening to two podcasts about his disappearance. How did Brian leave that Saloon without anyone seeing?

R448, I'm not a "fact denier." I'm firmly convinced O J killed Nicole and Ron. ...and I'm firmly convinced that Lee Harvey Oswald did not kill Kennedy. He shot a cop. Dallas didn't play around with guys who shoot cops.

The mystery of where my youth went...

[quote]R13, what do you think happened to Brian Shaffer? Your post led me to reading a couple of articles and listening to two podcasts about his disappearance. How did Brian leave that Saloon without anyone seeing?

I'm not R13, but the most likely explanation seems to be that he left through a rear exit that led to a construction area, where he was not detected by security cameras. Law enforcement officials say they have a couple of theories about what happened to him, but won't divulge the details. Even though Brian disappeared 14 years ago, it's still considered an open investigation.

LHO didn't kill Tippit either. Read more.

Can ah pet dat dawg?

R448, Oswald shot Tippit (& yes, R453, there were several eyewitnesses) because he was fleeing the scene of the crime!!! The only building employee unaccounted for. Sheesh.

No, he shot Tippit because Tippit was chasing him with a gun and shot at him. by the time Tippitt confronted him Oswald was fully aware of what had just happened and he knew he was going to be the f all guy. I'm not claiming Oswald was a total innocent. I think he was a bad actor, but I don't think he killed Kennedy.

r449 I don’t think Brian is alive and I don’t believe he committed suicide. That leaves two options: an accident or foul play. If it was an accident, where is the body? The whole construction site/burial theory is far-fetched.

Foul play? None of his credit cards were used, so the odds of robbery being a motive are slim. Someone he knew? His ‘friend’ Clint is the last one to see Brian alive. They had been on the outs just a month before Brian disappeared. Clint made snide comments about Brian after his disappearance, he cut off contact with Brian’s family, he didn’t participate in the search, he refused to take a polygraph test, and he declined further participation in the investigation. He also moved away and started going by his first name. One or two of Clint’s actions could be dismissed, but together they look kind of shady. Clint said, kind of cryptically, that Brian could rub people the wrong way...

R456, yes, Oswald was aware of what was going on because he was the only one who fled the scene of the crime. And for someone as intensely political, why would he have not stayed behind to be a part of an extraordinary event, the assassination of a president?

Who killed Terri Missy Bevers in Midlothian, Texas

Where are the three Skelton boys?

R447, I'll bet a lot of those people have aged out of foster care and have no contact with family.

r459 Check out this link for info on Bevers. Looks overwhelmingly like her father-in-law. Watch the side-by-side video of the killer and the father-in-law. That's him in the SWAT gear. Same gait, same posture, same physicality. She'd been cheating on her husband and got caught, leading to the rage killing. Supposedly he has an alibi.

r459 Check out this link for info on Bevers. Looks overwhelmingly like her father-in-law. Watch the side-by-side video of the killer and the father-in-law. That's him in the SWAT gear. Same gait, same posture, same physicality. She'd been cheating on her husband and got caught, leading to the rage killing. Supposedly he has an alibi.

What happened to the gold contents of the ancient Jewish Temple in Jerusalem? Did the Romans get it all, or did the Jews bury the arc and was it found by the Knights Templar? Did the Knights get their money from banking? Or did the find something in Jerusalem?

Who killed Mr. Boddy? And where? And with what?

Colonel Mustard, in the library, with a wrench.

Who stole the Irish Crown Jewels in 1907? Was it Ernest Shackleton's gay ne'er do well brother?

You're right, r462. Why haven't they arrested that grinning S.O.B.?

What happened to Julie Mott’s body?

Pretty sure it was the crazy ex, but why couldn’t they find it? It must be pretty hard to keep a body around.

What actually happened to Tylee and JJ? I hope they're alive in a compound somewhere, but I think it's doubtful.

I assume we'll learn soon enough.

'Bizarre as Hell': The Disappearance of the Yuba County Five

Ronni Chasen

R457, I think I'd have to agree with your opinion. The podcast I listened to and the stories I've read pretty much indicated what you stated. For the first few days Clint was helpful and concerned but then he lawyered up and distanced himself. A completely innocent person, in my opinion, would have at least made an effort to maintain support and help and interest.

Not certain why Clint needed an attorney unless he knew something. Clint's attorney (in one or the articles I read) indicated that Brian was bringing pain to the family not Clint. Weird response. Something's up there.

R13, R452, R457, if Brian met with foul play, where would it have taken place? There was footage of Brian & Clint & Meredith (Clint's friend) going into that Saloona, but only Clint and Meredith were seen leaving. If something happened in that mall restaurant, wouldn't someone have seen it?

[quote]if Brian met with foul play, where would it have taken place?

The theory that Brian met with foul play assumes that he left through the rear exit, which in some accounts has been described as an "emergency exit." It apparently let to both the street and to the construction area, so the theory is that he simply exited onto the street (as opposed to falling into a hole in the construction area and never being found, which does seem unlikely). The area in which the saloon was located was described as being not very safe in 2006. Plus, he had been drinking heavily, which could have increased the odds of his becoming a victim of foul play.

R472, Clint’s reaction as I read here, seems absolutely normal.

He’s helpful at first.

Then, people start pointing fingers at him, get suspicious of him, have expectations of him, and sleuths start stalking him, so he starts thinking, if I want to have a life of my own, I have to separate myself from this guy before others make him my ”media life-partner”.

I knew a woman whose son was killed in a hit and run, on Xmas Eve, no less, while she was at mass! She made the mystery her life’s work. It was an obsession and not healthy for her, but she was his Mom. Not a casual friend.

Would you want to be tagged for life as the last person to see some poor dead person alive, and that person was never seen again! WHAT DO YOU KNOW? WHY WON’T YOU SPEND MORE TIME ON THIS DEAD END, FOR THE AMUSEMENT OF ONLINE NOSEY STRANGERS? WHY? WHY?

It sucks, trust me.

I read about this one a few years back and it left me stunned. A young guy, Josh Guimond, disappeared from his college campus one evening. The interesting thing about the story is that the disappearance occurred on a Catholic Campus in rural Minnesota, so there's a question of whether the faculty (read priests) had something to do with his disappearance.

Who really killed Ronni Chasen?

Some others have said it but yes, Jon Benet, Madeline McCann and Jack the Ripper.

Why did Dave Chapelle walk away from his show a disappear a few years ago? He told a story about a pimp Iceberg Slim, in one of his stand up shows as a hint. Is the Covid-19 pandemic the result of an accidental laboratory leak? Did Suge Knight really kill Eazy E? All the famous and powerful people who used Jeffrey Epstein's services.

As for Jon benet, it was definitely somebody in the home. There's a theory about the father being the killer, but there's also another theory that her brother hit her in a rage and accidentally killed her. The parents covered it up because they did not want to lose their son, also and the mother wrote a fake ransom note. There's a good documentary where somebody goes through this whole theory.

I doubt we will ever know the truth about JonBenét, but a few things prove, to me at least, that the intruder story is ludicrous.

What kind of kidnapper leaves the victim? They had no way of knowing the body wouldn't be found straight away. No money is coming after that.

Reading the "ransom note", there was a call from the kidnapper scheduled between 8 &10am. According to police reports, the deadline came and went, and neither John nor Patsy showed any notice or concern. I would have been lying on the floor with my head and hands on the phone, praying for it to ring with news of my child.

Lastly, the ransom note itself was beyond ridiculous.

Neo Babson Maximus - strange story

Karyn Kupcinet choked to death giving a blow job.

What happened to the Beaumont children in Australia?

When did Ted Bundy start killing and how many victims were there? (Anne Marie Burr? The two girls on the beach in NJ? Total?)

In the Missy Bevers case both the father and husband have rock solid alibis. They were both out of state when the murder occured and this was backed up by phone records and multiple witnesses.

It looks like a big beefy woman on the video from the church, r482. The person in the swat uniform had to have been there to kill Missy. There's no way it was a random attack, or burglary gone wrong.

Someone wanted her dead.

What the hell happened to Henry McCabe?

There's a better version of the voicemail here.

R481, on Amazon Prime, there a 4 or 5 part series on Ted Bundy. (Ignore the "women's lib" theme in the first 2 episodes.) They did extensive interviews with the live-in girlfriend Bundy had when he began killing women. GF said he would disappear for a while then come back. She kind of drove me nuts, but you'll get some insight into what happened. They also interviewed the daughter of the GF, grown-up now. The daughter has a clearer view of Bundy. Ex-GF is still mulling over "did he ever really love me?" What a dipshit.

I've been avoiding that one, R486. The girlfriend seems too doormatty for me to tolerate.

I still want to know if he killed Anne Marie Burr when he was 14. A lot of people think not but I don't know.

Who killed Jill Dando?

Sorry, I'll leave a link for above ^^

What is that vm? I hear a high pitched noise.

What is that vm? I hear a high pitched noise.

Did the Russian hookers pee on Trump? Or Did Trump pee on the Russian hookers? Or Did Trump just watch the hookers’ peeing and massage his little mushroom penis? Oh... How tall is Tom Cruise?

[quote] I've been avoiding that one, [R486]. The girlfriend seems too doormatty for me to tolerate.

R487, Yes, the GF was a huge doormat. When Bundy escaped from court (western USA) and absconded to Florida, he ended up marrying another delusional woman.

r492, THIS. NEVER. HAPPENED.

I just read about the Yuba Five thanks to this thread and got very freaked out. Especially about possible reasons why their car ended up so far up in the mountains on a dirt road without any damage to the under side.

[quote]Did the Russian hookers pee on Trump?

DJT spoke to Comey about this fetish being surpressed..

This?

It’s admirable that so many of you would solve murders, but I would use my crystal ball for a close-up inspection of this guy’s salt-and-pepper, and no doubt lush, bush.

The ultimate nature of the universe(s).

The Madeline McCann case might be solved.

David Wone like others said.

David Wone like others said.

I don't know if he has already been mentioned....too many posts to sift through...but little Kyron Horman. His body found for closure for his bio mom and the evil step mother arrested, convicted and placed in general population in prison.

Cilla Black's career.

What is the unifying theory that will unit the four fundamental forces in physics? If I find the answer, my Nobel Prize awaits.

The disappearance of Mary Shotwell Little in October 1965

This story has haunted me since I was a child

The details are extraordinary

This book from two years ago made the most persuasive case for who killed the Black Dahlia, including where she was killed & dismembered

What did the Templars find from digging under the Al Asqa mosque?

What happened to all of their treasure ships moored off the coast of France on the night of October 12, 1307?

R481, were there ever any updated on the BEAUMONT children? Are their parents still alive? That's a creepy haunting story.

r483 Missy was having affairs with TWO men. She and her husband were having marital problems (red flag). He know about the infidelity. The wives of the two men she was seeing knew about the affairs, too. Bad situation. Her in-laws knew as well. The camera was able to catch a glimpse of the killer, it looks like the mother-in-law's face. A security camera at a nearby sporting goods store caught a 2012 Nissan Altima acting odd in the parking lot early that morning, flashing its light off and on (signal?), driving around aimlessly. They can't make out the plates but they look like California plates and there might be a car rental sticker on the back. Good video:

r483 Missy was having affairs with TWO men. She and her husband were having marital problems (red flag). He know about the infidelity. The wives of the two men she was seeing knew about the affairs, too. Bad situation. Her in-laws knew as well. The camera was able to catch a glimpse of the killer, it looks like the mother-in-law's face. A security camera at a nearby sporting goods store caught a 2012 Nissan Altima acting odd in the parking lot early that morning, flashing its light off and on (signal?), driving around aimlessly. They can't make out the plates but they look like California plates and there might be a car rental sticker on the back. Good video:

r483 Missy was having affairs with TWO men. She and her husband were having marital problems (red flag). He know about the infidelity. The wives of the two men she was seeing knew about the affairs, too. Bad situation. Her in-laws knew as well. The camera was able to catch a glimpse of the killer, it looks like the mother-in-law's face. A security camera at a nearby sporting goods store caught a 2012 Nissan Altima acting odd in the parking lot early that morning, flashing its light off and on (signal?), driving around aimlessly. They can't make out the plates but they look like California plates and there might be a car rental sticker on the back. Good video:

9/11/2001

It's crazy that you mentioned that video. I watched it this afternoon. It showed up in my video feed, weird huh?

I agree about her mother-in-law; she's cold as ice.

The name Missy is, in itself, asking for trouble, no?

Exactly how far Californian was from Titanic the night she foundered (estimates range from 5 to 20 miles) and why, stopped by ice, the officers on watch and the captain didn't even wake the radioman to find out if anything was going on as they watched a large ship in the distance gradually disappear from view while firing 8 rockets.

"Anybody knows what rockets at sea mean."

Good one r516

DB Cooper - It was a magic trick. There was too much planning involved for someone to think he'd survive that jump. Has all the hallmarks of a good magic trick. The door opened, shit started flying around, the cabin depressurized, chaos ensued and he disappeared into a nook of the plane and waited it out...With everyone on the plane assuming he jumped because of the seconds leading up to the " jump" plus the parachute, security on the plane itself was probably not that tight once it landed. And they probably didn't search every nook and cranny outside of the main cabin. Not sure if there was any search of the entire plane, they probably sent it to be serviced once all the passengers got off. If you know what you're doing and with some preparation, you can access various areas of a plane by removing panels. They think Cooper worked on servicing planes. Might have built a hidden trap door or panel and slipped into that.

R516 you are so right/

Listening to the Lordites with their charts and figures and stories about "lights", etc, is like listening to a contestant on Project Runway try to excuse his lousy design.....or one of the queens on RPDR claiming that she "got into her head."

Just admit it.....you fucked up......and a lot of people lost their lives - and you could have saved SOME of them, Arthur.

R518, but they found some of the money half buried in a river bank (not deliberately buried; like it had washed there during a flood)

How in the world we ended up in this shit storm.