Jeff Goldblum Asks Muslim Drag Race Contestant About LGBT Rights

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[quote] How many threads do you start a day? Jesus

Being a paying member does have its privileges

He wasn't out of line, but would have done better to ask if there is something in religion (as in all religions) that is homophobic and misogynist. The answer would have been yes, yes, there is--in ALL of them. Period.

He said absolutely nothing wrong. I'm genuinely baffled by how hyper-sensitive SJWs are to any criticism of Islam. They'll insult "Karens" and "privileged white cis gays" all day long under the banner of intersectionality, but an ultra-conservative ideology like Islam is off-limits. Bizarre.

Is there homophobia in Zoroastrianism?

Most religions are anti-gay and anti-women, including plenty of Christian denominations. If you don't think evangelicals here would love to round up gays here and chop their heads off, you are living in a fantasy.

As long as Czechnya has concentration camps for gay people Islam deserves all the loathing it gets and more. I was surprised in a good way that drag race brought it up.

[quote]she has her own "misgivings" about how the LGBTQ community is treated in the Middle East.

Good for Jackie for having such a forceful response. It's quite brave to be so outspoken.

[quote]Most religions are anti-gay and anti-women, including plenty of Christian denominations.

Just stop. Stop the bullshit. Stop being so anti-gay. Yes, you can find examples, but nothing, NOTHING compares to Islam.

Oh you stop it you big fucking MARY. You're probably one of those people who screeches about Sharia law infiltrating the U.S. Not saying Islam is faultless, but you're deluding yourself if you don't think many Xtian sects in this country don't hold the same kind of views.

[quote]Oh you stop it you big fucking MARY. You're probably one of those people who screeches about Sharia law infiltrating the U.S. Not saying Islam is faultless, but you're deluding yourself if you don't think many Xtian sects in this country don't hold the same kind of views.

The bulk of the US is made up of people who identify as Christian.

Please compare gay rights here to countries with a majority Muslims.

Yes, R5. If it isn't for breeding more converts it is outlawed in most middle eastern faiths.

Hiss.

HISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!

I don't live in a Muslim country, and I suspect neither do you. Why don't you concern yourself with the anti-gay policies of our own government?

[quote]I don't live in a Muslim country, and I suspect neither do you. Why don't you concern yourself with the anti-gay policies of our own government?

R14 would have said that about Jews during WW11.

[quote]but nothing, NOTHING compares to Islam.

Unless you were dealing with Republicans during the AIDS crisis.

R2 is the reason Roe hasn’t been overturned!

The difference is Muslim countries make it ILLEGAL to be gay sometimes punishable by death.

Virtually no Christian country does. Maybe one in Africa. The rest are Muslim theocracies. Including the Palestinian territories

[quote] Virtually no Christian country does. Maybe one in Africa.

Well YOU sound like an authority on the subject!

I’m on my phone now. Not my computer. I can look it up later but I did before. It’s easily googled

Muslims

[quote]Well YOU sound like an authority on the subject!

A comment like that, about such an easily researchable subject, pretty much sums up the stupidity of R19.

Or, OR, someone who doesn't actually know what he's talking about shouldn't post information like that off the top of his head.

The bigger question is why is Jeff Goldblum on Drag Race?

R24 wouldn't you want be a judge on Drag Race?

I just looked it up for you moron. See R21

[quote] I just looked it up for you moron.

Thanks, but I didn't ask you to. I just said that if you want to sound like you know something about a subject you shouldn't just guess.

Which is something you'd know if you had the ability to read and comprehend basic English.

The wearing of a hijab stars and stripes was provocative. No one wants this notorious hate-cult identified with the US flag. If you wore a rainbow chador in ANY Muslim country you'd be murdered on the street by the first passerby.

Where was Michelle Visage?

[quote] Thanks, but I didn't ask you to. I just said that if you want to sound like you know something about a subject you shouldn't just guess.

I want guessing. I had already researched it and wasn’t in the mood to do it again on my phone.

Apparently you are the one who can’t comprehend English.

And more to the point my memory was correct.

[quote] No one wants this notorious hate-cult identified with the US flag.

Right on, white brother!

[quote] Apparently you are the one who can’t comprehend English.

Except, Toots, your post about how you were too lazy to look something up so you just talked out of your ass came after I called you out. Kinda hard to comprehend something you hadn't said yet.

But, please, carry on with your Nazi rally.

R32. Again you don’t understand English. I was recalling something I read and didnt want to quote the exact numbers so I paraphrased . What I wrote was still based on prior research and correct.

Seriously how stupid can you be?

And simply quoting the facts about which countries make it illegal to be gay and punishable by death is not being a Nazi

Right on, R31!

[quote] Seriously how stupid can you be?

Smart enough to know you are full of shit.

[quote] Maybe one in Africa.

That's paraphrasing? Or maybe you want to go with you were being sarcastic.

[quote] And simply quoting the facts about which countries make it illegal to be gay and punishable by death is not being a Nazi

No, blanket condemning of all people of a religion is what makes you a Nazi.

My interpretation of what Goldblum said is this "I would imagine you must be very conflicted where on the one side you are very proud of your Persian heritage but on the other side your religion is aggressively anti gay."

I assume Goldblum meant Trump isn’t letting Muslims in America anymore. But Muslim countries are not letting gays live anymore.

So a moral equivalence argument?

Don’t know and don’t care. I’ve asked in multiple threads where Michelle Visage was on Friday.

R540 answered my question.

Ignore R37.

R35 ignores Islam's treated of gays....and calls others Nazis. Incredible.

I have lived in a Muslim country and I can tell you it is very different

Drag Race would never air there. Drag queens would never be able to openly tour and make a living from doing drag. Pride parades don't happen. There is no WeHo or gay bars in every major city. There is no gay marriage. PDA between two men can get you arrested.

Is there discrimination everywhere - yes. It is not all equal. I have homophobic evangelical Christian relatives here. Their view is love the sinner, hate the sin. They would never wish harm on anyone, they would just try and pray the gay away.

[quote] [R35] ignores Islam's treated of gays....and calls others Nazis.

Nice try. Nowhere did I ignore anyone's treatment of gays. But all Muslims do not act or speak with one mind.

The performer was trying to make a statement against Trump's travel ban which is making it impossible for his mother to be with his dying sister by wearing an outfit that said that Muslims can be just as patriotic as any other Americans. Which part of that don't you agree with? Do you think Trump's travel ban is fair and legitimate? Do you think Muslims cannot be patriotic Americans? Do you think the performer can't care about his mother and aunt or show his pride in where he came from until he condemns the actions of every other Muslim in the entire world first because he is somehow responsible in some way for other people and governments of other countries?

No, he wasn't being Islamaphobic at all. As a non-white person, I do think it's weird that part of social justice theory is that all white people in America are supposed to "complicit" for what their ancestors did in America(I think there's a difference between feeling complicit and acknowledging that being white gives you privileges). But if that's the case, why is it wrong to basically expect Muslims to be homophobic? In Britain, 52% of British Muslims feel that homosexuality should be banned. Yet it's not fair for Goldblum to ask that question?

[quote] Drag Race would never air there. Drag queens would never be able to openly tour and make a living from doing drag. Pride parades don't happen. There is no WeHo or gay bars in every major city. There is no gay marriage. PDA between two men can get you arrested.

You have let the assholes move the goalposts so far you can't see the stadium. He was criticizing Trump's nonsensical and un-American travel ban, a travel ban that is keeping his mother from her dying sister. He wasn't saying Muslim countries are better than the U.S. or treat drag performers or gay people better.

Good point, I actually didn't even know that part of the story. Thanks for enlightening me. I agree that the Muslim travel ban is completely unfair and racist.

R43. i was responding to those saying that Islamic countries and Christian countries are similar in their persecution of gay men.

His mother is an American citizen. Is there a reason she can't travel? I didn't realize the ban impacted American citizens (I am not American).

R14 because immigrants from those countries come to the West and often (not always) bring those anti-LGBT attitudes with them, along with other views and social practices incompatible with modern secular societies.

Jeff Goldblum was right to ask this question. It needs to be asked more often

We have quite enough fundamentalist loons as it is, we dont need to be importing more

Social Justice Warriors gone mad - they would be among the first to fall if the Muzzies and the terrorists took over.

Here's their T-shirt.

[quote]No, blanket condemning of all people of a religion is what makes you a Nazi.

nice strawman. i never did that. i simply stated the FACTS that virtually all countries that make it illegal to be gay are Muslim. And the ones that make it punishable by death are all Muslim.

That's it.

Shocker you dumb cunt R43 but visas are denied all the time.

My sister in law was denied a visa to attend her father’s FUNERAL. In 1989. And she was a Filipino national - a Christian. Government didn’t believe she wouldn’t overstay.

Sorry Jackie’s aunt is a National of the ISLAMIC REPUBLIC of Iran, but this ship happens all day erry day, Trump or no.

As an ex-Scientologist, I dislike the left’s double standard. It’s find to criticize Scientology for its abuses (and rightfully so), but because Islam is bigger, it is worthy of protection.

R51 Fuck off Kirstie.

Is the drag contestant really a Muslim to wear the hijab? Or just a bait for "conversation" ?

Wearing the hijab is so empowering!

R18 You’re woefully misinformed. Plenty of non-Muslim countries still list homosexuality as a prosecutable crime. And even those that have it legal in the law books, many still have a ways to go in terms of acceptance (cough, Russia, cough). How quickly we forget the cruel treatment of gays in the West. Progress has only been made in the past generation or so.

R5 Zoroastrianism condems homosexuality as a form of demon worship and therefore, sinful and worthy of execution. No surprise there. (Perhaps that’s why our favorite Parsi, Freddie Mercury, never came out to his traditional parents.) Reformists are more accepting but their scripture is what it is.

Here’s the sad truth when it comes to straight SJWs: they can post as many LOVE IS LOVE IS LOVE Facebook posts as they want and weaponize us to use in a political debate, but deep down they’re still grossed out by gay people.

So yes, when it comes down to defending gay people who are trying to live their lives versus the people who want to execute us for it, they’ll pick the latter.

[quote] Is there a reason she can't travel?

Yes. Trump.

[quote] My sister in law was denied a visa to attend her father’s FUNERAL. In 1989. And she was a Filipino national - a Christian. Government didn’t believe she wouldn’t overstay.

What does that have to do with this? This wasn't an individual denial due to a specific reason. This is an ongoing blanket ban.

[quote] because immigrants from those countries come to the West and often (not always) bring those anti-LGBT attitudes with them, along with other views and social practices incompatible with modern secular societies.

And yet acceptance of LGBT persons is higher among Muslims than among Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses and Evangelical Protestants. And they've been here for generations.

[quote]Plenty of non-Muslim countries still list homosexuality as a prosecutable crime.

Yet another ludicrous attempt at parity. Homosexuality is socially abhorrent and a crime in Muslim countries, which remain at the forefront of preventing gay rights progress in international forums. The problem is not Xtianity societies, where gays enjoy legal protection and acceptance. The problem is Muslim societies, where gays are discriminated against, persecuted and yes, murdered, not only by the State, but by the fathers, brothers and cousins.

When I heard there was controversy about his comments before watching the episode, I was expecting something actually controversial. He literally just asked a question about how someone reconciles their religion with who they are and what they do, which is an entirely fair question, and was completely related to the discussion.

I think people seem to forget that you are allowed to criticise something without demonising it entirely and being critical of any ideology is not bigotry. It's something not very intelligent people seem to struggle comprehending though.

R61, it's a product of the twitter/facebook age. People will post whatever is on their mind 24/7 without a filter. Which means even little things like this get blown up. And I do think it's really interesting that many people on the left can (rightfully) criticize American Christianity for all it's absurdity but get so offended when anyone suggests that countries with Islamic laws or a majority of Muslims are backwards. Guess what--yes, they fucking are!!!

R59, Muslims in America do tend to be way more liberal than the ones in other western countries like Britain and France. Wonder why that is. This is random but something I learned recently. Prior to the invasion of Iraq, a large majority of Muslim Americans actually voted for Bush in 2000. The invasion changed that very quickly, obviously.

Liberals say nothing about the Muslim treatment of gays and their torture of them. If they say something it is with a very soft voice. Republicans don't care, but one expects more from liberals, their weakness is loud and clear.

I don't think it was the place to grill on all of that. Sorry to the bigot crew on DataLounge.

R60

You are very off. Gays still DO NOT have complete protections in the US. And the Trump administration is making it much worse. Maybe if you would stop your hate rage on people of color and trans people you would actually see the truth that the US is not this gay accepting haven. The gay rights fight is currently losing under the Trump administration.

We need a new term, like Goodwin's Law, that when someone brings tranny's into a discussion that had nothing to do with trannys, so to illustrate they are a stupid cunt.

R66 Ask 1,000 US Gays if they would want to be gay in Egypt. Or Iran. Or the Gulf. Or Brunei. And 1,000 will unanimously respond "no fucking way". Now ask yourself why. Then ask yourself why you continue to rationalise, and worse, turn a blind eye to the horrors of being gay in Muslim societies.

R6

Ask 1000 US gays if they want to be gay in Mississippi, Alabama, Louisiana or any Christian conservative area. Gays are not well off in many places in the US.

Did you even see what I was responding to?

"The problem is not Xtianity societies, where gays enjoy legal protection and acceptance."

This is garbage.

[quote]I have homophobic evangelical Christian relatives here. Their view is love the sinner, hate the sin. They would never wish harm on anyone, they would just try and pray the gay away.

Ask the Trevor Project or Cyndi Lauper's True Colors Foundation about this.

I meant R68

Autocorrect is a bitch

[quote]Ask 1000 US gays if they want to be gay in Mississippi, Alabama, Louisiana or any Christian conservative area. Gays are not well off in many places in the US.

Such bullshit.

As a Gay man where do you think you'd have more rights New Orleans or a Muslim majority city?

[quote]New Orleans or a Muslim majority city

That wasn't the question.

[quote]Ask 1000 US gays if they want to be gay in Mississippi, Alabama, Louisiana

1,000s of gay men live happy out lives in these states, their cities and small towns.

R72

Lol so you name one liberal city, meanwhile you're attacking liberals for defending Muslim Americans. The majority of gays would not want to live in a conservative city in the US, especially in a state like Louisiana that still has no protection for gay people in the workplace. The same liberal cities accepting of Muslim Americans are the best cities for gays.

[quote]Lol so you name one liberal city, meanwhile you're attacking liberals for defending Muslim Americans.

Strawman.

No one is attacking liberals for defending Muslim Americans.

He spoke the truth. FACT.

[quote]He said absolutely nothing wrong. I'm genuinely baffled by how hyper-sensitive SJWs are to any criticism of Islam.

Because Woke Twitter and Bernie Sanders supporters are very anti-Israel. I have no doubt that Jackie Cox was a Sanders supporter.

R76

Then what is the point of this thread? Why post things like "gays wouldn't want to live in a Muslim city"? Hamtramck is actually a progressive Muslim majority city that has gay protections. Unlike the many Christian Evangelical conservative areas.

[quote]Hamtramck is actually a progressive Muslim majority city that has gay protections.

LOL. Hamtramck could not exist in a Muslim majority country. In a Christian majority country, yes.

R78

I'll take progressive Bernie supporters over conservatives any day.

R81, Biden isn't a conservative.

R81, I will too but I wish both were gone. Per horseshoe theory, nobody should be surprised if many Bernie supporters become far right wingers in the future.

R82

Many defending Israel are. And yes, Biden has many conservative values and kisses up to Republicans a lot

R83

His Muslim, Latino, and black supporters will never go far right.

I can see the day coming that most of the Islamic world throws off the most oppressive aspects of Islam much like Roman Catholicism was kicked to the curb in Quebec, Ireland, Spain and France. It can happen very quickly...like in a span of five years. It might be hastened by the Internet.

[quote]I can see the day coming that most of the Islamic world throws off the most oppressive aspects of Islam

Not going to happen in your lifetime.

[quote] His Muslim, Latino, and black supporters will never go far right.

His white ones easily could though.

R85

Yes, many in their countries do not like what's going on but don't have the power for change. I saw some commenting on Haaz Sleiman's instagram.

All judeo-christian religions are homophobic and misogynistic. Asking specifically about Islam is an attempt to show that everything is just peachy with Christianity and Judaism.

It's all absolute religious hypocrisy

[quote] Liberals say nothing about the Muslim treatment of gays and their torture of them

Because Muslims, as a whole, don't hate and torture gays any more than Christians as a whole.

[quote] 1,000s of gay men live happy out lives in these states, their cities and small towns.

and the rest get fired and move or are bashed

[quote] I have homophobic evangelical Christian relatives here. Their view is love the sinner, hate the sin. They would never wish harm on anyone, they would just try and pray the gay away.

While they may never cause violence, their hatred (and yes, it's ultimately hatred) is fuel for the crazies who do cause violence.

Plus, isn't being able to fire someone from a job so they can no longer pay their bills a form of violence? How about being allowed not to serve them? All violence by another name

American Muslims are more accepting of gays than evangelicals, per many surveys

Christian countries like Russia and Uganda are horrible to gays.

1 in 5 Russians want gays and lesbians 'eliminated,' survey finds

[quote] Strawman. No one is attacking liberals for defending Muslim Americans.

Do you know what a strawman argument is? People on this thread are most definitely painting all Muslims with a single brush, including Muslim Americans, and saying Democrats are defending Muslims.

R64: [quote] Liberals say nothing about the Muslim treatment of gays and their torture of them.

R89, the show has never taken the approach that everything is “peachy” with Christianity and Judaism. Tempest DuJour and cringe queen Dusty Ray Bottoms both spoke of the trauma they endured from gay reparative therapy. Monique Hart attempted to administering it.

So far, the Islamic queens have been treated to “You poor oppressed minority” edits until Jeff Goldblum pointed a finger at the elephant in the room.

If you really think that in 2020, R90, then do yourself and all of us here a favor and schedule a trip to Iran for you and your boyfriend. Make sure to test that theory and engage in lots of PDA.

Is there really any genuine outrage out there in the world or is this one of those 'SJWs are so sensitive' stories posted by conservatives without any evidence? I've spoken to three Muslim friends today and two were kind of supportive of Goldblum but hadn't heard of this supposedly huge explosive issue until I told them and the third didn't give a shit.

If anyone can spare 30 minutes to listen to actual gay ex-Muslims, have a listen to Amir and Aamir. They take a very liberal line on all this and don't speak for everyone but are perhaps more invested in the subject than Jackie, Jeff or any bullshit attributed to supposed SJWs.

Here is a report that studies acceptance in countries around the world. The chart with all the countries starts on page 30. The far right column is the most recent data (2014-2017). Each country is given an acceptance index based on a range of questions and factors (see the previous 30 pages if you want the details).

[quote] If you really think that in 2020, [R90], then do yourself and all of us here a favor and schedule a trip to Iran for you and your boyfriend. Make sure to test that theory and engage in lots of PDA.

Do you really not get the difference between Muslim people in general and the governments of Muslim nations?

[quote]Do you really not get the difference between Muslim people in general and the governments of Muslim nations?

Government, elders, religious leaders, education policies, laws of the land.... with no opposing viewpoint....all color who we are and who we become and what we believe.

"Half of all British Muslims think homosexuality should be illegal, poll finds"

Not just sinful.... but illegal

American Muslims tend to be way more successful and educated than the ones in Britain and France.

R99 thank you for that, very interesting, and useful in that it is measuring social attitudes rather than legislation, i.e the attitude of the people in general rather than that of the governments. It is very revealing. Iran comes in at 164th, 11th worst - so R90 wasnt wrong. The "difference between Muslim people in general and the governments of Muslim nations" is insignificant as R99's excellent survey reveals

Which means half don't believe that. So when you say Muslims this or Muslims that as if they all believe the same thing you are full of shit.

From R101:

[quote] Nearly a quarter (23%) supported the introduction of sharia law in some areas of Britain, and 39% agreed that “wives should always obey their husbands”, compared with 5% of the country as a whole. Two-thirds (66%) said they completely condemned people who took part in stoning adulterers, and a further 13% condemned them to some extent. Nearly a third (31%) thought it was acceptable for a British Muslim man to have more than one wife, compared with 8% of the wider population.

[quote] Nearly a third (31%) thought it was acceptable for a British Muslim man to have more than one wife, compared with 8% of the wider population.

Who the fuck comprises that 8%?? Definitely not Mormons.

R106 the Muslim population of England is 5.2%, and in London is 12%.... so, yes, definitely not Mormons

[quote]Where was Michelle Visage?

On her annual Hajj to Mecca!

[quote]Yes, many in their countries do not like what's going on but don't have the power for change. I saw some commenting on Haaz Sleiman's instagram.

I was following Haaz Sleiman on Twitter for awhile because I thought he was so dreamy, but....he's a total idiot. He's as simple as the day is long!

All religions are shit.

[quote]Which means half don't believe that.

And it means that HALF do!

Muslims in Muslim-majority countries lack the obsessive focus on LGBTs that conservative Christians have developed. Yes, Islam is somewhat hostile to LGBTs, but Islam as a whole seems barely aware that LGBTs exist, unless attention is drawn to them. By contrast, evangelical Christianity has all these ministries whose main focus seems to be prosecuting a culture war against gays.

What I wouldn’t give for a culture war!

It's so great to live in a country that has lesbian and gay anti-discrimination laws in all states! Oh wait...

If I could I'd swap out the Islamophiles with gay people trapped in Muslim countries. Those queens trapped would enjoy freedom and deserve it meanwhile the dopes get to experience Islam raw. Maybe it's what they want 😂

R115

You're a crazy dumbass. It’s the Islamophobes and xenophobes who wish to block gay refugees and asylum seekers.

R116 if it was JUST gay refugees and asylum seekers that were coming into Western countries I'd be happy to let them in by the boatload

Unfortunately that is very much not the case

One reason most liberals are so defensive of Muslims is they tend to look at it as a "race" thing, rather than the "religion" that it is. You can bet if the Muslims were snow white and blonde, the defense would dissipate quicker than leaves in a wind storm.

Interesting in that UCLA list, the US is at 21--not one or two like some on DL pretend, but 21.

Since the Muslim Drag Race Contestant was American, Goldblum should have asked what the contestant thinks about how Americans treat gays

[quote] One reason most liberals are so defensive of Muslims is they tend to look at it as a "race" thing, rather than the "religion" that it is.

No, liberals are defensive of attacks against Muslims is that we know how conservatives gain support through skapegoating.

R89 I came in to say just that, and I find nothing I can add.

To be fair, maybe Catholic contestants should be asked about pedophile priests, The Inquisition, and the Pope turning a blind eye while Hitler rounded up Jews.

[quote]To be fair, maybe Catholic contestants should be asked about pedophile priests, The Inquisition, and the Pope turning a blind eye while Hitler rounded up Jews.

How stupid.

The Inquisition? The Pope 80 years ago? Can't you do better than that?

And what question would you ask about pedophile priests? Any Catholic would condemn them.

Have there been Catholic Drag Queens on the show? Cause honestly, I can't imagine everyone tiptoeing around the whole Catholics on homosexuality thing if there were. I don't think it would be ignored. There are some churchy Protestants, especially black contestants, and maybe they get asked about that too, but I'm not sure.

[quote]I can't imagine everyone tiptoeing around the whole Catholics on homosexuality thing if there were.

And if Goldblum were to ask a Catholic drag contestant about homosexuality and the Church it would not raise an eyebrow. An we'd be all for it.

But dear God....you can't question a Muslim. They're off limits.

Why is that?

No, but apparently Muslims are expected to answer for their entire religion. It's absurd. Just as absurd as expecting Catholics to answer for the Inquisition.

nobody is asking anyone to "answer" for their whole religion, but if you are gay and in a homophobic religion, people are going to wonder, why? what does that mean? do you care that your religion hates people like you?

[quote]No, but apparently Muslims are expected to answer for their entire religion. It's absurd. Just as absurd as expecting Catholics to answer for the Inquisition.

What are you babbling about? Ask a Catholic about the inquisition and no one would consider it an offensive question.

And asking a Catholic about the Church's stand on homosexuality, or the Priest scandals or whatever is fair. Asking them how they personally deal with all that is perfectly fine. Why not?

But for some reason Muslims are off limits.

Why?

[quote]Muslims in America do tend to be way more liberal than the ones in other western countries like Britain and France. Wonder why that is.

Muslims in America tend to be more educated and secular. They're not the crazy backass goat herders from tiny towns and villages who are extremely devout like the UK and Europe has.

The point, racist dimwit, is that all religions have bad shit to answer for. But apparently YOU are only upset by what Muslims do or have done. Why is that?

[quote]One reason most liberals are so defensive of Muslims is they tend to look at it as a "race" thing, rather than the "religion" that it is. You can bet if the Muslims were snow white and blonde, the defense would dissipate quicker than leaves in a wind storm.

I've been saying this for years. If the majority of Islam practitioners were lily-white Anglo-Saxons, Western white liberals (and governments) would tell them all go fuck themselves. Islam would have about as much respect as Scientology if it were practiced by an Anglo white majority.

r130 nobody has said that. And I have never in my life known a gay person to defend Islam and all that it entails.

[quote]But apparently YOU are only upset by what Muslims do or have done. Why is that?

See what you do? Instead of answering the question, you attack, you make stupid assumptions.

Anybody having a fit of fake outrage over this is a moron

oh, all religions, at least all modern religions suck when it comes to gay people. why? oh, who the hell knows at this point? If every religion would just shut the fuck up about the subject, everybody in the modern world would probably be better off. But for now, Islam is kinda the worst. Mainly because they still control too many governments. Islam above all should shut the fuck up about the whole subject.

Has there been a Catholic drag queen, dressed up in a habit, and as a means of “SERIOUS REPRESENTATION!” and not camp?

No?

Then there’s no comparison. There have been tons of Catholics on this show I’m sure: clock all the Pinoy and Latino queens. But they don’t take a symbol of oppression and sanctify it on the runway.