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Mister Rogers encouraged gay costar Officer Clemmons to remain in the closet and marry a woman!!!!!!!

From 1968 to 1993, Francois Clemmons was a member of the Neighborhood. He was, as he’s known to generations of Americans, Officer Clemmons on Mister Rogers’ Neighborhood.

And over the years, Rogers — known to Clemmons as either Fred or “Doc” because of all the honorary degrees — became Clemmons’ mentor, father figure, and ultimately “the spiritual love of my life,” he tells PEOPLE.

But the relationship wasn’t always easy for Clemmons. By the time the two met through Rogers’ wife Joanne at church, Clemmons had survived a tumultuous and at times violent childhood. He quickly became both an integral part of the Neighborhood and Rogers’ own life.

As he writes in his new memoir, Officer Clemmons, one day he was called into Rogers’ office at the studio.

“Franc, you have talents and gifts that set you apart and above the crowd,” Rogers told him, Clemmons writes in his memoir. “Someone has informed us that you were seen at the local gay bar downtown. Now, I want you to know, Franc, that if you’re gay, it doesn’t matter to me at all. Whatever you say and do is fine with me, but if you’re going to be on the show as an important member of the Neighborhood, you can’t be out as gay.”

Clemmons tells PEOPLE that he began to sob. “I could have his friendship and fatherly love and relationship forever,” Clemmons remembers today. “But I could have the job only if I stayed in the closet.”

He had given Clemmons inspiration and stardom but told him there was a cost. “ ‘You must do this Francois,’ he told me, ‘because it threatens my dream.’ ”

“I was destroyed,” Clemmons says. “The man who was killing me had also saved me. He was my executioner and deliverer. But, at the same time, I knew that he would know how to comfort me. I didn’t have another mother or father to comfort me. I had no one to go and be a boy with. I was just vulnerable. He got in a few slaps, some tough love, a good spanking. But I was not kicked out of the family.”

“ ‘The world doesn’t really want to know who you’re sleeping with — especially if it’s a man,’ ” Clemmons says Rogers told him. “ ‘You can have it all if you can keep that part out of the limelight.’ ”

But then, Rogers had a suggestion. “Have you ever thought of getting married?” Rogers asked Clemmons. “People do make some compromises in life.”

“By the time I left his office,” Clemmons writes in his memoir, “I had made up my mind to marry La-Tanya Mae Sheridan. At the wedding reception, Fred and Joanne approached me and my new wife. It felt as if Fred and I were sealing some kind of secret bargain.”

He and Sheridan would amicably divorce in 1974 and he would begin living life as an openly gay man.

“Lord have mercy, yes, I forgive him,” Clemmons says today about Rogers. “More than that, I understand. I relied on the fact that this was his dream. He had worked so hard for it. I knew Mister Rogers’ Neighborhood was his whole life.”

Officer Clemmons is out May 5.

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by Anonymousreply 85May 10, 2020 9:35 PM

Won't you be my gaybor?

by Anonymousreply 1April 25, 2020 11:47 PM

[Quote] “I was destroyed,” Clemmons says. “The man who was killing me had also saved me. He was my executioner and deliverer.

Mary!

by Anonymousreply 2April 25, 2020 11:52 PM

Mr Rogers is cancelled!

by Anonymousreply 3April 25, 2020 11:55 PM

This makes me cry but I understand Mr. Rogers' motives. He gave Francois choices and Francois made his own choice. Sad? Yes. But understandable. Francois could have walked away.

by Anonymousreply 4April 25, 2020 11:57 PM

Would that brief marriage really shut down rumors long term? Are there any DLers who knew Clemmons in the 1970s and 1980s?

by Anonymousreply 5April 25, 2020 11:58 PM

Fred told me the same kind of thing. I told him to meow meow fuck yourself meow meow.

by Anonymousreply 6April 26, 2020 12:03 AM

"He and Sheridan would amicably divorce in 1974 and he would begin living life as an openly gay man."

And still continued to appear on Mr. Rogers show almost 20 more years.

by Anonymousreply 7April 26, 2020 12:03 AM

FC is the most outrageously gay Sportin'Life in the history of recordings of PORGY AND BESS.

by Anonymousreply 8April 26, 2020 12:04 AM

I sure as fuck never took a beard.

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by Anonymousreply 9April 26, 2020 12:22 AM

Mr. McFeely placed on suicide watch.

by Anonymousreply 10April 26, 2020 12:35 AM

R10 How was that character's name approved? Mr. McFEELy? Especially of there was a concern about Francois' sexuality.

by Anonymousreply 11April 26, 2020 12:41 AM

I fully understand why he would have done that. In those days it would have been the kiss of death for that guy's career, and possibly even the show, if he had come out publicly as gay.

by Anonymousreply 12April 26, 2020 12:41 AM

It’s a cynical day in the neighborhood.

by Anonymousreply 13April 26, 2020 12:43 AM

R10 Yes I understand that Francois was not the McFeely character, I just think it's odd they would give ANY character such a blatant name if they're so concerned about Francois' sexuality.

by Anonymousreply 14April 26, 2020 12:48 AM

So Mr Roger's liked the BBC.

by Anonymousreply 15April 26, 2020 12:55 AM

I bet Fred lusted after Francois.

by Anonymousreply 16April 26, 2020 1:13 AM

This is news? The documentary on Mr. Rogers covered this in detail.

by Anonymousreply 17April 26, 2020 1:14 AM

It's a beautiful day in this Gayborhood—but don’t you be my neighbor.

by Anonymousreply 18April 26, 2020 1:30 AM

[quote] "you can’t be out as gay.”

Is that supposed to be an exact quote from Rogers? Because it would be very unusual to use the term "out" in 1968.

by Anonymousreply 19April 26, 2020 1:41 AM

McFeeley was Fred Rogers' middle name (it may have been his mother's maiden name).

Also, I've always that Rogers' marriage was mainly companionate (though it did produce a couple children) and that Fred mainly like men for erotic pleasures and his wife was content to play dumb, as long as always brought her home a box of chocolates.

by Anonymousreply 20April 26, 2020 2:33 AM

Understandable given the situation and the social climate at the time. The world has changed thankfully, If Mr Rogers was around today he wouldnt have needed to do this, and wouldnt have wanted to

by Anonymousreply 21April 26, 2020 3:59 AM

[quote] I fully understand why he would have done that. In those days it would have been the kiss of death for that guy's career, and possibly even the show, if he had come out publicly as gay.

I think homosexuality was still considered a mental disorder and might have even been against the law in the crazy southern states

by Anonymousreply 22April 26, 2020 4:34 AM

[quote]So Mr Roger's liked the BBC.

Oh, dear.

by Anonymousreply 23April 26, 2020 4:53 AM

I thought according to the documentary that Rogers regretted what he said and that if given the chance again, he would never have said that to him.

by Anonymousreply 24April 26, 2020 5:33 AM

Was Mr Rogers an evangelical Christian?

by Anonymousreply 25April 26, 2020 6:07 AM

Wait—that burn victim lady puppet was NOT gay?

by Anonymousreply 26April 26, 2020 6:13 AM

r26 No -- trans.

by Anonymousreply 27April 26, 2020 7:17 AM

B-b-but it's people who are the 'phobes!

by Anonymousreply 28April 26, 2020 7:26 AM

Fag chose money and hid in the closet, just like most Repub gay fucktards do. I'm feeling anything.

by Anonymousreply 29April 26, 2020 8:00 AM

R28, what does that mean?

by Anonymousreply 30April 26, 2020 8:06 AM

*black people

Epic joke fail.

by Anonymousreply 31April 26, 2020 8:15 AM

Plot twist: the “woman” was Mr. Rogers herself, but officer Clemmons was not down for that.

by Anonymousreply 32April 26, 2020 8:19 AM

[quote]This makes me cry but I understand Mr. Rogers' motives

Doubtful. His motives were that he was a right-wing Christian, a lifelong Republican. He was kind and nice, but only to a point. He taught tolerance and to always do the right thing but voted for Nixon, he taught acceptance but told gays to stay in the closet or else get fired. Very, very typical of that era of "nice guy." And who knows, maybe for 1975 or whatever, that was what nice people did.

I suspect that young Boomers and GenXers emotionally need Mr. Rogers to be a hero so badly that even if he didn't regret saying he'd fire someone for being out, history would be rewritten so that he did.

I'm an outlier in that I'm GenX but I never liked Mr. Rogers as a kid, so I didn't watch his show or grow up with him as a role model, and from that outside-looking-in vantage point, the elevation of his image to that of Great American Hero is a little odd.

by Anonymousreply 33April 26, 2020 8:22 AM

Was any of this addressed in the new Tom Hanks movie?

by Anonymousreply 34April 26, 2020 8:34 AM

He didn't say he would fire the guy. He said he couldn't be openly gay and work in children's television. I'm sure that was true in 1968.

by Anonymousreply 35April 26, 2020 8:36 AM

In Mr. Roger’s defense, homosexuality was still considered a mental disorder when “Neighborhood” debuted, and was considered a behavior rather than an immutable trait back in the 60s. He also confided having his own bisexual feelings to a close friend, Dr. William Hirsch, which makes it even more plausible that Mr. Rogers sincerely believed that sleeping with men was a choice.

by Anonymousreply 36April 26, 2020 8:40 AM

Mr. Rogers is creepier than the worst televangelist, fucking repulsive.

by Anonymousreply 37April 26, 2020 10:02 AM

One of my favorite songs beautifully sung.

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by Anonymousreply 38April 26, 2020 10:18 AM

In 1968, it was progressive to have a black cast member as a part of the neighborhood. That was as progressive as could be at that time. Remember, folks - context. Remember the times and what was happening during those times.

by Anonymousreply 39April 26, 2020 10:46 AM

R33, you may be right. I grew up watching, and used to wish he was my father. His show was gentle and his persona was patient and tolerant, and that was what many children of that era desperately needed. Watching now, it seems too good to be true, a little corny and maybe even preachy. But I think the value of what he gave so many kids is far greater than whatever harm his request caused.

by Anonymousreply 40April 26, 2020 10:46 AM

R37, you're repulsive.

by Anonymousreply 41April 26, 2020 10:54 AM

Although I have an extraordinarily good memory, I have no recollection of what my Mother describes as my violent reaction if I did not get to watch Mr Rogers on television after catching a glimpse of him or other characters on the show while channel surfing among all 9-10 channels at the time. I was two when she said I'd fall out on the floor kicking and screaming until the channel was changed back to PBS and the show. Interesting that Mr Rogers had that effect on me as a baby. He was that wonderful.

by Anonymousreply 42April 26, 2020 11:00 AM

R33 "I suspect that young Boomers and GenXers emotionally need Mr. Rogers to be a hero so badly that even if he didn't regret saying he'd fire someone for being out, history would be rewritten so that he did."

Except Clemmons came out and Rogers never fired him, but in fact continued to work with him 19 more years. So you're the one trying to rewrite history.

by Anonymousreply 43April 26, 2020 12:22 PM

[quote]In Mr. Roger’s defense

Oh, I give up.

by Anonymousreply 44April 26, 2020 1:41 PM

[quote]Was any of this addressed in the new Tom Hanks movie?

No. I don't recall Clemmons even being mentioned, much less depicted.

by Anonymousreply 45April 26, 2020 1:43 PM

I wish the grammar trolls would all die.

by Anonymousreply 46April 26, 2020 2:07 PM

R44 You make me weep! Thank you for your efforts.

by Anonymousreply 47April 26, 2020 2:27 PM

R44 Oh wait. That was supposed to be "Thank you for your effort's."

by Anonymousreply 48April 26, 2020 2:28 PM

Is that Elaine Stritch at R9?!

by Anonymousreply 49April 26, 2020 2:31 PM

[quote] Mr Rogers is cancelled!

He can’t be canceled, because what he was suppressing was homosexuality, not one of Cancel Culture’s pet projects.

Women, trans, Muslims, Immigrants, animals? Then we’ll talk.

by Anonymousreply 50April 26, 2020 2:39 PM

And to think, I always thought Mr. Rogers was gay. I was always waiting for a big scandalous story to break announcing, "Fred Rogers is Gay!"

by Anonymousreply 51April 26, 2020 3:15 PM

What's not noted here is that the first bit about Clemmons being gay was very early. And the rest was later with the expectation that the show wouldn't be dealing with his being out-gay on the show.

Not a defense, but the perspective is real.

As I've posted before, Fred was very supportive and close friends with many gay men, always ambiguous but with a deep sense of acceptance and a kind of understanding that suggested to everyone I knew that he was himself closeted or bi. He had his apartment in NYC, and would let his friends stay there. When he was spending time with the friends he would put them on the phone with his wide in PA. Everything was "open" in that way.

But who wouldn't read between the lines?

There won't be any stories coming out because he lived what he preached. He was kind, open, sharing, decent, direct and at the same time discreet in an absolutely "prudent" way. The loyalty his friends gave him, especially one gay friend who was a particularly close friend, was complete. This man never shared anything about Fred beyond the party line, although the relationship seemed more from our distance. Maybe it wasn't. He just smile when people made comments. But in every other way this friend was a dock-visiting, risk-taking, drinking-and-drugging out gay man who didn't keep anyone else's secrets.

PS: Fred very much appreciated men in the arts.

by Anonymousreply 52April 26, 2020 3:49 PM

1968 was ten lifetimes away.

by Anonymousreply 53April 26, 2020 4:06 PM

Re: Mr Rogers

It's completely obvious, right? And no, I haven't said anything negative about him.

by Anonymousreply 54April 26, 2020 4:20 PM

Just as R12 wrote, Officer Clemmons would have immediately lost his job, if he had come out in the late sixties or early seventies. We all ought to look at how far we have come since then

I can think of no actor who was out from that time. I remember watching re-runs of "Bewitched," as a kid with Paul Lynde as Uncle Arthur and then seeing him on "Hollywood Squares" in the seventies. He was pure camp, yet his sexuality was never spoken of. In the seventies and eighties, you also had Charles Nelson Reilly ...pure camp...and again no one spoke of his sexuality.

The more successful gay men in show business...Rock Hudson and Liberace...well I can remember the joke in high school that Rock Hudson had married Gomer Pyle...that was it. And Liberace...he was an absolute Campfest, but his sexuality was never discussed.

It wasn't until Rock Hudson became ill with Aids that the media began to approach his sexuality. There was tremendous controversy when he kissed Linda Evans on "Dynasty." It was really after his death and the palimony suit from his ex that Hudson's sexuality became open knowledge.

People soon forget how common homophobia was back then.

by Anonymousreply 55April 26, 2020 5:05 PM

What is it with some people that feel compelled to destroy every good thing they come across ??? Mr. Rogers was the father so many of us wish we had . Generations of kids grew up being taught kindness , love and compassion ,yet here you are screaming "He was bi!" and "he repressed queers!" Leave him alone for gods sake ! Let us have one lousy thing to still believe in .

by Anonymousreply 56April 26, 2020 5:07 PM

It was a completely different world back then. As the above poster said, even fucking Liberace of all people had to pretend to be straight. That's how bad it was.

by Anonymousreply 57April 26, 2020 5:33 PM

R11 I have always thought the same about the pervy mailman (he even had the right mustache), but given it being a family name seems like the whole Mcfeely thing was a blind spot.

by Anonymousreply 58April 26, 2020 6:00 PM

R55 If I'm not mistaken Elton John was also quite like teen heartthrob for young/adolescent girls in that timeframe as well.

And Liberace was just, you know, "theatrical".

by Anonymousreply 59April 26, 2020 6:03 PM

^the not 'like'

by Anonymousreply 60April 26, 2020 6:04 PM

This memory sounds as authentic as a $3 bill

by Anonymousreply 61April 26, 2020 6:27 PM

Elton was never a heartthrob. Of course, success confers "attractiveness."

by Anonymousreply 62April 26, 2020 6:29 PM

Nearly everyone with eyes and ears knew Liberace and Elton John were gay. Even their Frau fans knew, although many denied it. Being closeted had more to do with not promoting the “lifestyle” to impressionable children rather than hiding it from the public. That said, their flamboyance was a hilarious rebellion against this requirement.

by Anonymousreply 63April 26, 2020 6:35 PM

Liberace routinely pretended to be attracted to women.

by Anonymousreply 64April 26, 2020 6:42 PM

He even dressed provocatively to signal his availability to women.

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by Anonymousreply 65April 26, 2020 6:47 PM

Liberace's biggest whopper was how Sonja Henie "ruined" him.

by Anonymousreply 66April 26, 2020 6:54 PM

She DID ruin him. With her whopper.

by Anonymousreply 67April 26, 2020 6:55 PM

R62 beat me to it. Elton John teen heartthrob? Ha ha ha.

You could go back as recently as the mid 1990s for overt homophobia on TV. If Larry King had homosexuality discussed on his CNN show - even something as innocuous as a character in a TV/movie drama or comedy - it was REQUIRED that there'd be a counter viewpoint quest. If gays in the military was discussed, there'd be an anti-gays in the military guest. If Ellen Degeneres coming out was being discussed, there'd be an anti- Ellen Degeneres coming out guest and so forth.

by Anonymousreply 68April 26, 2020 6:55 PM

R68, I was in High School when Elton first appeared and he was definitely a heart throb.

by Anonymousreply 69April 26, 2020 7:04 PM

Teen Beat asked their readers if they could make elton Happy. Well, today we know the answer to that one.

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by Anonymousreply 70April 26, 2020 7:14 PM

Henry Winkler shared a Teen Beat cover with Elton? “Moms’ Special Edition”, apparently. It also makes sense to juxtapose these two creepy-looking middled-aged dudes on one cover. rather than mixing them up with Shaun Cassidy or Leif Garrett. Otherwise, it would look like a crime was about to go down.

by Anonymousreply 71April 26, 2020 7:41 PM

What was the sin Mr. Rogers committed? Was he supposed to advise a black man, half a century ago, to be openly and defiantly gay?

Not everyone is Harvey Milk or Rosa Parks. Some people just want to quietly live their lives, not hiding but not flamboyant, either.

by Anonymousreply 72April 26, 2020 9:07 PM

Open and defiant is automatically flamboyant?

by Anonymousreply 73April 26, 2020 9:17 PM

I mean ..... is anyone actually that surprised?

by Anonymousreply 74April 26, 2020 9:18 PM

R70 Christ can’t imagine any teen girl keeping of copy of that underneath her mattress to masturbate to later ....

by Anonymousreply 75April 26, 2020 9:23 PM

Elton was cute when he wore a hat, kept his mouth closed, and had decent glasses. But if any one of those prerequisites were violated, NO.

by Anonymousreply 76April 26, 2020 9:37 PM

R69 is correct.

by Anonymousreply 77April 26, 2020 10:58 PM

[quote] Elton was never a heartthrob

In the 1970s I told my make heterosexual cousin, a huge Elton John fan, that Elton was queer (we didn’t say “gayl in those days in the hinterlands). He was so offended at the “lies” I was telling that he never really spoke to me much after that. He insisted it was not so. Elton just dressed like that for attention, he said. “He writes songs about GIRLS! Tiny Dancer, Crocodile Rock are totally about girls. He was hopping & bopping with Susie to the crocodile rock. And he says Saturday night is all right for fighting. So he has fights in bars & stuff. What’s your proof?”

Gaydar, boy.

by Anonymousreply 78April 26, 2020 11:45 PM

[quote]Gaydar, boy.

I think Gaydar Boy should be my superhero name.

by Anonymousreply 79April 27, 2020 1:19 AM

This linked interview covers quite a bit, but a discussion about how the show presented issues of the day to children back then leads into a description at 07:08 of the conversation he had with Mr. Rogers about not publicly coming out.

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by Anonymousreply 80April 27, 2020 6:52 AM

I think Fred Rogers had gay feelings himself which he prayed away.

by Anonymousreply 81April 27, 2020 7:03 AM

If only I could pray away the fat.

by Anonymousreply 82April 27, 2020 7:07 AM

I’m sure that many gay men took part in children’s tv as a way to compensate for less-than-stellar childhoods.

by Anonymousreply 83May 10, 2020 9:27 PM

That's showbiz, kid.

by Anonymousreply 84May 10, 2020 9:32 PM

This was the 60s. Pee Wee Herman lost his TV show and almost entire career in the 90s for public masturbation. If it was between Clemmons coming out or the show, it's obvious who what was going to choose.

by Anonymousreply 85May 10, 2020 9:35 PM
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