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Nervous Republicans See Trump Sinking, and Taking Senate With Him

The election is still six months away, but a rash of ominous new polls and the president’s erratic briefings have the G.O.P. worried about a Democratic takeover.

WASHINGTON — President Trump’s erratic handling of the coronavirus outbreak, the worsening economy and a cascade of ominous public and private polling have Republicans increasingly nervous that they are at risk of losing the presidency and the Senate if Mr. Trump does not put the nation on a radically improved course. The scale of the G.O.P.’s challenge has crystallized in the last week. With 26 million Americans now having filed for unemployment benefits, Mr. Trump’s standing in states that he carried in 2016 looks increasingly wobbly: New surveys show him trailing significantly in battleground states like Michigan and Pennsylvania, and he is even narrowly behind in must-win Florida. Democrats raised substantially more money than Republicans did in the first quarter in the most pivotal congressional races, according to recent campaign finance reports. And while Mr. Trump is well ahead in money compared with the presumptive Democratic nominee, Joseph R. Biden Jr., Democratic donors are only beginning to focus on the general election, and several super PACs plan to spend heavily on behalf of him and the party. Perhaps most significantly, Mr. Trump’s single best advantage as an incumbent — his access to the bully pulpit — has effectively become a platform for self-sabotage.

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by Anonymousreply 104/25/2020

I’d be nervous too.

by Anonymousreply 204/25/2020

[quote]At that point, they believe, the race will not simply be the up-or-down referendum on the president it is now

I hate to disappoint them but that's pretty unlikely. This is almost certainly going to be a referendum on Trump. Biden doesn't give them enough to change that narrative.

by Anonymousreply 304/25/2020

Republicans don’t deserve power. They are all incompetent

by Anonymousreply 404/25/2020

Oh, R4... they're fairly competent at lining their own pockets. That's the only reason why they get into politics in the first place.

by Anonymousreply 504/25/2020

They must be nervous. Their voters are bumping threads from 2015. Desperate to shield the fallout from the constant disasters and mismanagement.

by Anonymousreply 604/25/2020

"Faster, Republicunts!, Loot!, Loot!"

by Anonymousreply 704/25/2020

[quote] Nervous Republicans See Trump Sinking, and Taking Senate With Him

Yes, they are going down unless Trump cancels the election with Army support without a constitutional amendment. The Army will be the arbiter.

by Anonymousreply 804/25/2020

This is probably why they are funneling cash to big business instead of constituents. They are lining up their next gigs.

by Anonymousreply 904/25/2020

DJT, do us all a favor and inject your veins with Lysol, now.

by Anonymousreply 1004/25/2020

Fuck all those cunts!

by Anonymousreply 1104/25/2020

Only an imbecile thinks he's not at the very least vulnerable... Huge Dem wins in 2018 and 2019. Liberal Supreme Court justice elected in Wisconsin earlier this month. Never exceeded 46 percent in approval. Facing a well-funded opponent with a real resume. Pending cases on his finances and E. Jean Carroll's libel suit. A summer of hearings about his response to COVID-19. 30 percent unemployment in key swing states. Only one half of all Americans have a paycheck. Some Republicans already breaking away from him, Justin Amash might run as an Independent...

But he's a shoo-in! KAG!

by Anonymousreply 1204/25/2020

The rats are leaving a sinking ship. Watch as they loot as much as they can. A lot of desperate shit will/is going down. They'll do as much damage as possible rather than let Democrats save the world. They've already stolen trillions with their "tax cut". But that's not enough. Nothing is ever enough. They'll continue to do what Trump is already doing. Destroy all the good things Obama and the Democrats did. Destroy the environment, turn back gay rights and women's rights. Voting rights. Destroy the post office so we'll have to risk our lives to vote in public. They'll burn the house down and line their pockets to the max before they leave.

by Anonymousreply 1304/25/2020

The Republicans had their chances, daily chances, to rope him in. They didn't. They kowtowed. If it's a big defeat at all levels in November, they have no one to blame but themselves.

by Anonymousreply 1404/25/2020

We've read this good news before

by Anonymousreply 1504/25/2020

[quote] Destroy the post office

Everyone knows the post office belongs to Jeff Bezos.

by Anonymousreply 1604/25/2020

(R15) True. But it's different now. Look out your window. The shit has really hit the fan, and that turd is not what people want now.

by Anonymousreply 1704/25/2020

The most prescient paragraph:

[quote] Significant questions remain that could tilt the outcome of this election: whether Americans experience a second wave of the virus in the fall, the condition of the economy and how well Mr. Biden performs after he emerges from his Wilmington, Del., basement, which many in his party are privately happy to keep him in so long as Mr. Trump is fumbling as he governs amid a crisis.

The funniest, classic NYT move of presenting the damning quote without comment, which I wish they would to do Trump more often

[quote] Asked about concerns over Mr. Trump’s briefings, the White House press secretary, Kayleigh McEnany, said, “Millions and millions of Americans tune in each day to hear directly from President Trump and appreciate his leadership, unprecedented coronavirus response, and confident outlook for America’s future.”

by Anonymousreply 1804/25/2020

The real indicator will be when and if Republican senators who are up for reelection this year start distancing themselves from him. So far, I haven't seen much evidence of that happening.

by Anonymousreply 1904/25/2020

So tired of the “this is going to be 2016 all over again!” trolls. Have you all been living under a rock since January 2017? Trump is a clown and a fraud and there hasn’t been a single day he’s been in office where that hasn’t been so clear Hellen fucking Keller couldn’t see it from the Space Station!

by Anonymousreply 2004/25/2020

They'll go after Biden. They couldn't get it from Ghouliani, so they'll come up with sex scandal. As if the rapist in chief hasn't been a rapist for decades.

by Anonymousreply 2104/25/2020

The republicans are worse than trump, and that's saying something. Trump is just doing what the billionaires of the RNC want. They had a chance to impeach him and pence too. These vile policies would be implemented by any republican president. It's the republican party, not just Trump.

The American people can see it now too. Vote all republicans, the modern day Nazi party, out of office.

November 2020

by Anonymousreply 2204/25/2020

We will hear this up until Election Day R20

Datalounge is filled with Her acolytes who will not admit to the obvious fact that it was easy for Trump to tar Her because many people, rightly or wrongly, hated Her with the heat of ten thousand suns and were thus willing to believe She was the devil.

No one hates Joe Biden with the possible exception of a handful of angry Bernie Bros on Twitter who also hate their (wealthy) parents and will not register to vote..

by Anonymousreply 2304/25/2020

Same situation as 2016.

by Anonymousreply 2404/25/2020

See what happened in Georgia? Trump is desperate: his base is about do to die from the coronavirus.

by Anonymousreply 2504/25/2020

Trump doesn't give a fuck about anyone but himself.

If only the election was held next month.

by Anonymousreply 2604/25/2020

Trump is now firing his Health and Human Services director, Alex Azar. He's losing it.

by Anonymousreply 2704/25/2020

He lost it long ago. So did we. We are fucked. Bye.

by Anonymousreply 2804/25/2020

r27 Azar is the new fall guy, he'll place all the blame on him.

This is totally different than 2016, this is an incumbent running for reelection on a *very* shaky record of performance. An incumbent president has never been reelected during a depression/recession that started on his watch. He can't claim the good economy without claiming the bad economy.

by Anonymousreply 2904/25/2020

r27 Azar is the new fall guy, he'll place all the blame on him.

This is totally different than 2016, this is an incumbent running for reelection on a *very* shaky record of performance. An incumbent president has never been reelected during a depression/recession that started on his watch. He can't claim the good economy without claiming the bad economy.

by Anonymousreply 3004/25/2020

Hopefully these cretins will lose all three branches.

by Anonymousreply 3104/25/2020

[quote] Hopefully these cretins will lose all three branches.

The three branches are not up for grabs for a while...

by Anonymousreply 3204/25/2020

R37, it is conceivable that the Dems take the Senate.

They could take the judiciary, too. Increase the size to 15 justices, then let it fall back to 11 by attrition. They need the increase from 9 to 11 anyway, due to increased workload. This will keep a Dem President’s picks in the majority for decades. Oh, and appoint Obama to the court.

That’s all three.

by Anonymousreply 3304/25/2020

[quote] He can't claim the good economy without claiming the bad economy.

Sure he can.. He can do whatever he wants. And get away with it. He always has.

by Anonymousreply 3404/25/2020

Republicans are nervous? Not because their country is dying, but because their polls are falling?

That says it all, really.

by Anonymousreply 3504/25/2020

NYT still writing as though Putin didn't install Trump in 2016 and is likely to do it this year. No need to knock yourself winning swing states when Putin's hackers are on the job.

by Anonymousreply 3604/25/2020

All the more reason why everyone should be pushing for paper returns by mail in respect of the virus. It might just get America a fair election. Postmarks from St Petersburg would be noticed.

by Anonymousreply 3704/25/2020

Goodbye, Ratigan!

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by Anonymousreply 3804/25/2020

R36 may be a shopbottom with two weeks income in the bank, but he KNOWS that Putin installed Trump and you idiots don't get it, carrying on blindly like the election is fair.

That makes him feel much better about his station in life.

PS: Ask him about Pearl Harbor, the Kennedy assassination or 9-11

by Anonymousreply 3904/25/2020

Not sure anybody near the top thinks Biden will be a great President, R40. But my parrot would be better than Trump, and we've seen from the primaries that there's quite a lot of talent Biden could have in his Cabinet. Assuming he'd listen to them like a normal person, that's what really counts.

by Anonymousreply 4104/25/2020

I don’t care if they have to prop his dead body up there I will be voting for him so we can get rid of these leeches that are in power now.

by Anonymousreply 4204/25/2020

It would not be a surprise if Russian trolls were working the internet as we speak. On Facebook, supposed "American" blog spots and even right here on DL. Spreading misinformation and lies, as Trump does, and trying to divide and influence public opinion. They did it before and it worked great for them and the Republicans. And the Repubs are doing NOTHING to stop it, or course. Traitors.

by Anonymousreply 4304/25/2020

[quote] They couldn't get it from Ghouliani, so they'll come up with sex scandal.

So the fuck what? The GOP has taught us sex scandals don’t matter.

Trump is a philanderer who brought his mistress along on a family vacation with his wife.

Impregnated said mistress before he resentfully married her.

Cheated on that mistress/wife with hookers illegally brought into the country through a sham modeling agency

Eye-molested teen pageant girls in their locker room & bragged about it

Wants to fuck/may have fucked his daughter & has repeatedly publicly declared his lust for her

Screamed at a 10 year old girl (escaping from him on an elevator) that he’s going to be dating her in 10 years

Grabbed pussies

Married a slink-eyed Eastern European whore

Raw dogged a porn star while his whore wife was home with his baby son

Fucked a playboy bunny

Raped a woman in a department store dressing room

Sexually harassed women for 30 years

Got Russian whores to pee on a bed because a former president & his wife slept in it

Sex scandals?

Not a problem

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by Anonymousreply 4604/25/2020

If Republicans go low, and we know they will, then this time Dems go lower. No more Mr. Nice Guy. Stormy Daniels gets a front row seat at the debates right next to melanoma.

by Anonymousreply 4704/25/2020

He lost the first time around. He was installed into office on a technicality. These people cheat and lie to win. We all lost having this person as a figurehead of the USA.

by Anonymousreply 4804/25/2020

R44 , I believe you forgot to include his raping a 13 year old.

by Anonymousreply 4904/25/2020

Did R44 mention threatening the life of a former intimate partner and her child? Because our shitstain in chief sunk that low, as well.

by Anonymousreply 5004/25/2020

Toss all Republicans out! We had the opportunity to boot Trump, and Senate Republicans failed to meet the challenge of removing him.

by Anonymousreply 5104/25/2020

[quote]They could take the judiciary, too. Increase the size to 15 justices, then let it fall back to 11 by attrition.

That would literally be the end of the United States.

by Anonymousreply 5204/25/2020

How do you figure that?

by Anonymousreply 5304/25/2020

[quote]They could take the judiciary, too. Increase the size to 15 justices, then let it fall back to 11 by attrition.

The likelihood of this is nil.

by Anonymousreply 5404/25/2020

Eh, Covid-19 put the Republicans between a rock and a hard place. Wisconsin proved 2 things: 1) the D-Voters WILL wait upwards of 8 hours to defeat them, 2) without vote by mail they still lose. R's can only win in states that use voting machines since those can be rigged. However, Arizona is vote by mail. Even if the R's retain Texas which is a MAYBE not a certainty, they will lose that Arizona seat. Collins has already lost her seat even before a vote is cast. She's in a Heitkamp/McCaskill situation. McConnell might actually lose his too, but it will be close. Lindsey Graham might lose his. It's one thing to lose Random Insider Trading GA Senator, it's another to lose McConnel and Graham. Republicans don't have a new dark lord of the Sith to replace McConnell. So, yes they are rightfully worried.

People aren't going to forget their lives were placed in jeopardy, and they lost their jobs as a result of a stupid President who was enabled by a selfish party. The deplorables are hopeless, but the centrists/moderates of the R-party will pull a Virginia (where some conservatives actually voted for Biden).

By continuing to fuck with the USPS and with all that stimulus money they gave to corporations the R's are pissing off Independents. Contrary to popular belief, Independents outnumber registered R's or D's (not both collectively obviously). That's why they are losing. Following the impeachment, Republicans have been losing independents who favor moderate/centrists candidates regardless of if they are R or D. That is why Joe might not have been my first choice, but thank God he's the nominee. Serves them right for letting an insane man be their leader. If they had just removed Trump from office and let Pence be president their numbers wouldn't be so bad. But noooooooo….. can't admit defeat ! Ok bitches, Nov. 3, 2020 will do what you cowards failed to do.

by Anonymousreply 5504/25/2020

You are brilliant R55 - beautifully verbalized and oh so TRUE.

by Anonymousreply 5604/25/2020

(R55) Agreed (56) Superb breakdown of the facts.

by Anonymousreply 5704/25/2020

Trump doesn't need more supporters. He just needs enough people to hold their nose and vote for him anyway. We can't know yet how many people who disapprove of him will vote for him in November.

by Anonymousreply 5804/25/2020

I've already given up any hope of us actually having an election. Even if he hasn't managed to prevent it, there will be so much hacking and interference that the result will be thoroughly corrupted. I said it before, I know, but the fascist takeover already happened. Now they're just trying to ensure that it's permanent. We will never be rid of this monster.

by Anonymousreply 5904/25/2020

[quote] We can't know yet how many people who disapprove of him will vote for him in November.

Why would anyone who doesn’t support him vote for him?

by Anonymousreply 6004/25/2020

Let's face it -- unless you're in a swing state, who you vote for for President doesn't make much difference these days.

by Anonymousreply 6104/25/2020

[quote]Why would anyone who doesn’t support him vote for him?

Like in 2016 when people voted against Hillary.

by Anonymousreply 6204/25/2020

No need to worry, Republicans. The Democrats ARE taking back the Senate and increasing their margin in the House. IT'S A DONE DEAL!

And it's not all Trump's fault.

Every Republican Senator is an accomplice to Trump's crimes. What McConnell, Susan Collins, etc. have done with judicial appointments and obstructing justice in the impeachment trial is downright criminal.


by Anonymousreply 6304/25/2020

Just vote Democrats no matter what.

by Anonymousreply 6404/25/2020

[quote]Let's face it -- unless you're in a swing state, who you vote for for President doesn't make much difference these days.

It still matters because it affects the popular vote -- the strong Hillary numbers in states like California in 2016 caused Trump to lose the popular vote, and that sent a message he didn't like.

by Anonymousreply 6504/26/2020

Mark my words. Some day it will be revealed that Trump did not win the electoral college either. Russian trolls got into the computer system of a few borderline states, (Wisconsin, Michigan, Florida maybe...) and hacked the tallies. He won 7 states by less than .5% and roughly 78,000 votes spread over 3 states. Supposedly this is well known by many currently holding public office, and at least one person serving a prison sentence.

by Anonymousreply 6604/26/2020

You're right, R9. I'd been wondering why they weren't even trying to keep their voting base alive but that explains it, I feel silly for not realizing.

by Anonymousreply 6704/26/2020

I'd bet anything Russia didn't hack the tallies, they hacked the voter registrations, allowing local Republican officials to toss out votes where the voter's information on their system didn't match what was on their ID.

That's a tactic Repugs have been using for a very long time already, taking any excuse they could find to toss out the votes of Democrats and minorities, and Russia just helped it along by changing what was in the system.

by Anonymousreply 6804/26/2020

I believe that somevSenate seats were actually stolen in the last election. putin easily di that with the help of corrupt Republicans. Republicans in Florida do it in every election.

by Anonymousreply 6904/26/2020

Initially I read that as Republicans see Trump Skiing and Taking Senate With Him. They're all skiing, I wondered.

by Anonymousreply 7004/26/2020

All a President had to do in a health crisis is let the doctors handle it and come in at the end to take the credit or blame the doctors if things don't work out. But an attention hog like him just can't leave well enough alone.

by Anonymousreply 7104/26/2020

What R 12 said. Only a moron thinks the orange turd has it sewn up. Fuck all you naysayers

by Anonymousreply 7204/26/2020

At this point I'd think Republicans would want to lose. There's such a mess to clean up why not let the Dems win and then spend the next 4 to 8 years bitching.

by Anonymousreply 7304/26/2020

[quote]But an attention hog like him just can't leave well enough alone.

Yup -- Trump loves the attention of the daily Task Force briefings.

Jonathan Martin of the NYT was interviewed on CNN today and said that even though Trump is threatening not to show up anymore, he may find it too irresistible to stay out of the spotlight.

by Anonymousreply 7404/26/2020

R66, I think you're right, but sadly it probably won't matter. We sat and watched as the GOP stole wins from Gore and Kerry, and nothing happened.

by Anonymousreply 7504/26/2020

Read R55 and you realize how scary this all is.

TL;DR, he asks why the GOP didn't just force Trump to resign and put Pence in place.

And while Pence is an incompetent homophobe and not terribly intelligent, if he were president now you can bet he'd be leaning hard on Fauci, taking advice from bona fide experts (we may not have liked the experts, but unlike Trump's experts, they'd have medical or science backgrounds) and not endorsing the use of bleach or Tide Pods.

It's scary when the idea of a President Pence is far more comforting than what we have now.

by Anonymousreply 7604/26/2020

all too true,r76.

Again, this person has not met with any first responders to offer support and comfort to those on the front lines. Instead he demanded to be thanked for plunging this country and the rest of the world into a great depression but has not a word of thanks to first responders for showing up. First responders include delivery personnel, EMS ,doctors and nurses AND staff working as store clerks. DiBlasio who is widely despised and another blowhard has managed to show up many times in NYC to thank DRS and nurses.

by Anonymousreply 7704/26/2020

All wishful thinking. I wish he and McConnell would drop dead, but I do NOT trust any of them to do anything they can to rig this election. A lot of people have a very false sense of security, and this article encourages that mentality "Oh, good, I can calm my nerves, things will shift back." That's exactly what scumbag republicans are hoping - we all let our guard down.

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by Anonymousreply 7904/26/2020

These are the headlines that get us Dems in trouble. Just like "they were so nervous that Trump would completely crumble under Hilary 3.5 yrs ago and look what happened.

by Anonymousreply 8004/26/2020

To guard yourself from complacency, read Jane Mayer's piece in the New Yorker about McConnell. Somebody here linked an interview she did with NPR about him and his wife Chao.

It confirms what you already know, but still, to see it laid out in black and white is sobering.

McConnell despises Trump. But Trump is Repugs useful idiot. It's not Trump, it's McConnell who is the leader of the right -wing wealthy plutocrats and their front-line, poor and ignorant grunts who show-up at the rallies.

by Anonymousreply 8104/26/2020

Here we go with premature pronouncements about what will happen in November, which is over five long months away! You would have thought folks would have been humbled by how horrible Their similar predictions were in 2016.

by Anonymousreply 8204/26/2020

Shows just how stupid right wing scum like the GOP really are. All the people in the US who have never and will never reach the lofty positions of power they have, yet have been able to see for decades that Donald Trump is nothing but a con artist lowlife and a scumbag piece of filth. Most of us knew the day the fool was elected that this is exactly how it would turn out. How many times did many of us on this very board say, back in 2016, that it would be interesting to sit back and watch the shit show happen right before our eyes? And boy were we not disappointed.

Oh well I guess it doesn't take common sense to become a member of Congress.

by Anonymousreply 8304/26/2020

R78 is correct. For some reason, a segment of Democrats and liberals thirst foR prognosis and opinions that will make feel confident about the election. They end up feeling overconfident and smug, and before you know it, they get shocked when they lose on Election Day. This election is going to be tight, with no margin for error. We need to be on our game every day and in fear that if we don’t work hard, we will lose up and down the ballot. Fear of losing is the best motivator

by Anonymousreply 8404/26/2020

What disaster could befall us that would make people vote for Trump??

by Anonymousreply 8504/26/2020

It's not complacency,its theft. You lost that election and cheated and stole to get your boy in.

Now look where we are. A great depression AND pestilence.

The republican party is a pestilence.

by Anonymousreply 8604/26/2020

[quote] It's not Trump, it's McConnell who is the leader of the right -wing wealthy plutocrats and their front-line

one hundred percent true, true pis simply the court jester. mcconnell MUST go now

by Anonymousreply 8704/26/2020

All these years and Americans still don't know that Republicans always work against them. How can they remain ignorant for so many years?

by Anonymousreply 8804/26/2020

Off topic but, JFC, he has a horrible profile. He was always looks like a slouching, hulking, fat thing with weird hair.

by Anonymousreply 8904/26/2020

R88, a huge percentage of Americans identify with the GOP for cultural reasons

by Anonymousreply 9004/26/2020

People vote culture

by Anonymousreply 9104/26/2020

Defeat Hatred, Vote for Biden.

It's clear to me that as long as blue states were the most affected, they'd continue to ignore and obfuscate their response. Once the red states start up, and they are just getting going, we'll all get to see who the 'our' is in Kushner's little rant about the ventilators OUR tax dollars pay for.

Sacrificing grannies? WTF were they thinking? This shit will not be forgotten.

by Anonymousreply 9204/26/2020

This is their reward for blindly supporting Trump and all he does. Only one who will come out okay is Romney who stood up against him. r88 there is a large portion of the middle class who are republican. They value tradition over life. They want the good old days (you know blacks knew their place, gays were put in jail and it was safe for Suzy to play in the park!). They have been convinced they don't need healthcare and all of their problems are because people poorer than them exist.

by Anonymousreply 9304/26/2020

They are the nasty legacy of an educational system that failed to prepare them for the day when their 'betters' would betray them by taking those working class jobs overseas to a declared enemy who then watched while their newly affluent citizens spread the infection worldwide; thus giving them an advantage in an economic recovery.

And they will take advantage, because they have no reason not to. Thank the Bush crime family for that whole scenario. Profit over is cheap, but an offshore account is forever.

by Anonymousreply 9404/26/2020

The pure evil the christo-fascist rethugs have done to this country is a tragedy of epic proportions:

"GREENPORT, NY — A man well-known for his work on the North Fork as a tiling subcontractor died at home last Saturday of the new coronavirus because he reportedly had no insurance and did not want to go to the hospital and face daunting medical bills — and possible questions about his legal status.

Don Chuz, said Greenport business owner Brent Pelton, was "afraid to seek medical care because of his immigration status and because he lacked insurance and was afraid of the cost."

Jorge Gomez, owner of JG Quality Construction, spoke with Chuz the day before he died, and urged him to seek medical treatment but "he refused to go to the hospital," Pelton said

by Anonymousreply 9504/26/2020

That article is further proof that we should continue to support and donate to those Democratic candidates challenging vulnerable Republican senators.

Maine Democratic State Assembly Speaker appears to be almost tied with Maine Senator Susan Collins.

Colorado Senator Cory Gardner is another vulnerable seat being challenged by former Colorado Governor John Hickenlooper.

Arizona Senator Martha McSally is being challenged for her seat by Astronaut Mark Kelly.

by Anonymousreply 9604/26/2020

Because they support Jeebus unlike those godless Democrats, R88.

by Anonymousreply 9704/26/2020

McGrath for Kentucky:

But McConnell has also demonstrated that he fears the prospect of facing an opponent like Amy McGrath in his bid for re-election. Instead of having the Senate vote on the package passed by the House to support American families during the coronavirus crisis, McConnell went home to Kentucky for a long weekend. Perhaps he got an idea of what’s up with his constituency because this is what was reported by the Lexington Herald-Leader on Monday.

U.S. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell’s campaign called on a potential Democratic opponent — former Marine Corps pilot Amy McGrath — to stop running political advertisements during the COVID-19 pandemic.

“Amy McGrath’s decision to blanket the airwaves with deceitful ads during the coronavirus outbreak is tasteless and shameful,” said McConnell campaign manager Kevin Golden. “As Kentuckians adjust their daily lives and schedules to help stem the outbreak, the last thing they need to see on TV is negative political advertising. The McGrath campaign must stop airing all of their advertisements.”

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by Anonymousreply 9804/26/2020

McConnell whining about attack ads and trying to take the high road of taste and morality is beyond comprehension to anyone but the hypocritical fucks who vote for him.

I hope she roasts his turtle ass into soup.

by Anonymousreply 9904/26/2020

[quote] Mark my words. Some day it will be revealed that Trump did not win the electoral college either. Russian trolls got into the computer system of a few borderline states, (Wisconsin, Michigan, Florida maybe...) and hacked the tallies.

I agree. I think he stole the election, or it was stolen for him.

by Anonymousreply 10004/26/2020

They have stolen elections for decades. You may have forgot the hanging chad crime in 2000,I have not. They cheat,lie and steal to "win"elections.

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by Anonymousreply 10104/26/2020

Dims need to remember why Hillary lost. She was horrid and was despised by the public, granted Trump was only a step above her but it was enough for him to win. This go round, Trump is head and shoulders above Braindead Biden, so it will be egotistical, narcissist Trump again. Stop deluding yourself, people know who they vote for.

by Anonymousreply 10204/26/2020

McGrath better be careful - if she wins - you know the next election will be filled with little trumptards all complaining they wrote her and she never wrote back.

by Anonymousreply 10304/26/2020

The only people who “hate” HRC are misogynists and morons who think Q Anon is a real.

by Anonymousreply 10404/26/2020

(Larissa-- as you suggest, at R102 I am trying to sounds like SisterOfBernie to say that Biden is more hated than lesbiionic child molesting lesbian Hillary. Is Elderly Sodomites really this stupids?)

by Anonymousreply 10504/26/2020

Mitch is loved in Kentucky.

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by Anonymousreply 10604/26/2020

R102, that shit won't work in 2020.

by Anonymousreply 10704/26/2020

But his followers still believe him to be a great businessman. Is there a great swath of American who have been in bunkers since the 80's when we all figured out he was a con artist?

[quote]I like a respectful debate. Care to give us your reason/s for why you feel this way? I can tell you that I believe that there's no better person to have as the POTUS right now "because" of his business background. Here's a quote from Real Clear Politics that I believe is accurate, "The $2.2 trillion stimulus bill the president just signed into law, for instance, allocates hundreds of billions of dollars in low-interest, government-guaranteed loans for the small businesses that are the lifeblood of our economy. As long as recipients use the money to return or keep workers on payroll and meet other normal operating expenses, those loans automatically transform into grants that never have to be repaid." The key comment is "as long as recipients use the money to return or keep workers". If not, this can not be blamed on the president. This is just one of example of how he's trying to guide and lead our country during unprecedented times.

by Anonymousreply 10804/26/2020

R104 is why political discussions on Datalounge are so futile

Her stans cannot admit that tens of millions of people who traditionally vote for Democrats loathe Her with the heat of ten million suns in a way they loathe no other politician in living memory save Hitler.

Is their hate justified?

No, but that does not make it any less real.

Fortunately, no one hates Biden save a few angry BernieBros who don't vote anyway

(And winning by 3 million votes out of 130 million cast against a disgraced former reality TV show host with zero political experience is an embarrassment, not something to brag about.)

by Anonymousreply 10904/26/2020

Kentuckians love Mitch.

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by Anonymousreply 11004/26/2020

Still, 65,800,00 million Votes received, so obviously not everyone hates her, plus he won the electoral college by the tiniest sliver in those borderline states…

by Anonymousreply 11104/26/2020

[quote]Initially I read that as Republicans see Trump Skiing and Taking Senate With Him. They're all skiing, I wondered.

Is it too much to hope that a bunch of trees do to them what they did to fellow Republican politician Sonny Bono?

by Anonymousreply 11204/26/2020

[quote]It still matters because it affects the popular vote -- the strong Hillary numbers in states like California in 2016 caused Trump to lose the popular vote, and that sent a message he didn't like.

Oh, boo-hoo -- I'm sure he was crying all the way to the White House.

by Anonymousreply 11304/26/2020

White Americans do not vote based on economic class. It’s culture

by Anonymousreply 11404/26/2020


What are you doing?

do you not see the economy in ruins and the thousands of preventable deaths?

Biden is sleepy and braindead but he hasn't advised desperate people to drink caustic chemicals like you have. Hillary is a bitch and dyke and unlikable and has no stamina and is corrupt. She still won the fucking election.

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by Anonymousreply 11504/26/2020

"It is OUR stockpile"

I love how Kushner's political aspirations were squashed in an instant. Hopefully, federal prison is his next move.

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by Anonymousreply 11604/26/2020

Jared is so fucking creepy looking. Like a ventriloquist doll. His face is too smooth, it doesn't look life-like.

by Anonymousreply 11704/26/2020

[quote] 65,800,00 million Votes received, so obviously not everyone hates her

Voting for her over a disgraced failed reality TV show host with zero political experience and "not hating her" are not a 1:1 match.

To paraphrase Oprah Winfrey "even if you hate her, hold your nose and vote for her because she's better than Trump."

by Anonymousreply 11804/26/2020

Uh oh, another Trump thread. Get ready for a bunch of bumped threads from 2015 to make this one go away.

by Anonymousreply 11904/26/2020

Kushner is a crook, just like Dad and his FIL. As long as Krispy Kreme Christie continues to draw breath, Kushner has a vengeful elephant on his back. With Trump out of the White House Kushner's stock plummets.

by Anonymousreply 12004/26/2020

Hillary is a bitch and dyke and corrupt but this country would not be on pause with no jobs or income to look forward to during a pandemic with Hillary in office. If you search for news articles about funding cuts to the CDC using the world's most "popular search engine", the results are skewed in favor of the russianpublican party's narrative.

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[quote] Hillary is a bitch and dyke and corrupt

She may be a bitch. Nice people don't usually win in politics. She may be a dyke, who knows, or cares? That's her personal life. She is NOT corrupt. And it should be noted that the lowlife republicans in the Senate who have lambasted her with "LOCK HER UP" since her run for the White House were the very same republicans who adored and lauded her when she was a US Senator. She was one of the most accomplished senators to ever serve in Congress.

by Anonymousreply 12204/26/2020

r115 You are missing the point completely. My original point was that voting for president in a non-swing state doesn't matter. Then you chimed in with all that nonsense about the popular vote and how it made Trump feel bad. My point is that he's a raging sociopath who doesn't have any feelings and could give two shits about the popular vote as long as it got him where he wants to be.

by Anonymousreply 12304/26/2020

Biden is not sleepy and braindead, R115, but thanks for revealing yourself with the use of republicunt talking points. R121 makes the same fucked up mistake and believes no one notices because it's comparative to the current failure of leadership.

Here's the thing, fools - no one is forgetting who fucked this up no matter how hard you try to slap labels or trash former opponents.

by Anonymousreply 12404/26/2020

I find it fascinating that Trump supporters are so anxious to "restart the economy" that they are willing to kill off some of their own voters. If I were an evil liberal governor, I would say that businesses need to stay closed and everyone needs to maintain social distancing, except for white evangelical churches. Those need to stay open and meet in a crowded space several times a week. Bring out all your old white evangelical voters to crowd the churches, since they've been vaccinated by Jesus and are now immune.

by Anonymousreply 12504/26/2020

R122 I won't be forgetting shit come November. Trump and the Republicans have fucked up badly.

I'm voting democratic up and down the ballot. I HATE Republicans. They are cancerous.

by Anonymousreply 12604/26/2020

Who gives a fuck if Hils likes ladies? This is a gay board, that wouldn't be a put down, NO?

by Anonymousreply 12704/26/2020

R125 LOL.

by Anonymousreply 12804/26/2020

[quote]Hillary is a bitch and dyke and corrupt but this country would not be on pause with no jobs or income to look forward to during a pandemic with Hillary in office.

Rightwing troll alert.

by Anonymousreply 12904/26/2020

There is a surprisingly large amount of right wing trolls here for a gay message board. They just can't keep their corona covered hands out of our business. I'm running out of ways to tell them to fuck off. It's exhausting.

by Anonymousreply 13004/26/2020

I think they are really here for the pron. Some of them may have gotten lost after googling a search.

by Anonymousreply 13104/26/2020

I wish Hillary was a bitch and a "dyke" and corrupt.

Then she'd be president now.

by Anonymousreply 13204/26/2020

They were airing past White House correspondents dinners, from previous years. The ones with Reagan, Bush Sr, Clinton, Bush jr, and Obama last night on Cspan.

And they showed when Seth Meyers made fun of Trump, and the look on his face said it all. The man had no scenes of humor whatsoever. And he looked crazy just sitting there, looking stoned face while everyone else was having fun and laughing.

I wonder sometimes if that's the moment he decided he'd run for president. Fast forward all these years later, and we're all suffering because of Trump's unhappiness for whatever he's unhappy about.

by Anonymousreply 13304/26/2020

We do know that Hillary could respond with something like: "We will do everything in our power to alleviate the suffering of Americans during this trying time..."

How many news conferences, how much time has this fucker had to make such a statement? He can't do it because he cannot rise from the cesspool he dove into to become what he is.

by Anonymousreply 13404/26/2020

"There is a surprisingly large amount of right wing trolls here for a gay message board. They just can't keep their corona covered hands out of our business. I'm running out of ways to tell them to fuck off. It's exhausting."

The posters are gay and not deplorables. They are just posting that garbage to get a reaction. So, when you tell them to " Fuck off," they smile with delight, because you have taken them seriously.

by Anonymousreply 13504/26/2020

R133 it was when Obama ridiculed him at the same event. That's where his pathological need to tear down all Trump's accomplishments comes from. He was humiliated. The next night, Osama bin Laden was killed, which must've chapped Trump's hide even more.

by Anonymousreply 13604/26/2020

Because how would you know, R135? How about you just fuck off with self-analysis here and go get some help.

And yes, no matter what the motivation, we will persist in telling trolls to fuck the fuck right off.

by Anonymousreply 13704/26/2020

Let’s not pop the cork just yet. A lot can happen in a few months plus these are uncharted waters.

by Anonymousreply 13804/26/2020

My point is Hillary is condemned as corrupt and a bitch with no stamina who ran a bad campaign. But 1. She won the the election. 2. We would not be under quarantine for weeks on end with no jobs or income waiting for us on the other side with Hillary in office. Experience matters.

by Anonymousreply 13904/26/2020

Hillary was demonized for years by the Republican Party, who saw her as a viable threat. A lot of that stuff stuck, unfortunately, but nothing in her record warranted any of it. She didn’t really fight back, because her generation of women just didn’t do that. Her interview with Howard Stern was very enlightening.

by Anonymousreply 14004/26/2020

I want all Republicans locked up in border detention centers

by Anonymousreply 14104/26/2020

Their days are numbered.

by Anonymousreply 14204/26/2020

Because in the middle of a pandemic that's all they're concerned about. Worry about your stupid asses getting sick or show some humanity to your constituents, ffs.

by Anonymousreply 14304/26/2020

Forget about Hillary

If any of the Republicans who ran against Trump were in office right now (Rubio, Bush The Middle, Kasich) we might not like their every decision but we wouldn't feel like we were on a runaway rollercoaster being steered by an angry toddler

by Anonymousreply 14404/26/2020

Hillary knew what was up and she was right. Her downfall and ours is remaining polite and respectful in the face of abuse. "When they go low, we go lower and kick 'em in the nuts".

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I'm here for some nut kicking. I'd even go for the posthumous nut kicking of cunts like Reagan the communicator or good ol' W, the candy man.

by Anonymousreply 14604/26/2020

The 2015 troll keeps trying to bury this thread. It’s extremely insulting to have some freak on here trying to ruin this website.

by Anonymousreply 14704/26/2020

I have no idea what that means R147

by Anonymousreply 14804/26/2020

It means Trolls want to hijack a discussion of their failing fuhrer by trying to make it about Hillary

by Anonymousreply 14904/26/2020

Oh, 2016, not 2015-- now it makes sense

by Anonymousreply 15004/26/2020

I'll find satisfaction when both Kushner and Ivanka are bankrupted messes living in a shithole somewhere in Oklahoma.

by Anonymousreply 15104/26/2020

They really don’t want this thread to be at the top.

by Anonymousreply 15204/26/2020

Bump every 5 minutes

by Anonymousreply 15304/26/2020

Other outlets are coming to the same conclusion:

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by Anonymousreply 15404/26/2020

Yup, I'm smelling blood in the water and this time I'm hiring sharks.

by Anonymousreply 15504/26/2020

He is FUCKED and he is beginning to realize it. Friday's presser says it all. He can't do them anymore without doing further damage to himself. He cannot hold his Nazi rallies either. So, since governing is something he simply doesn't have the ability to do effectively he has nothing. Certainly not his sparkling personality and charm.

by Anonymousreply 15604/26/2020

Defeat Hatred.

If there's one good thing the Corona has done....

by Anonymousreply 15704/26/2020
by Anonymousreply 15804/26/2020

Is there a possibility McConnell will announce his retirement & put up some young tea party GOP viper for his seat?

by Anonymousreply 15904/26/2020

"Because how would you know, [R135]? How about you just fuck off with self-analysis here and go get some help."


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by Anonymousreply 16004/26/2020

r159, he'll announce his retirement if it looks likely that he's going to lose, but he's way too power-hungry to let go if he has a hope of hanging on.

by Anonymousreply 16104/26/2020

Why are republicans so unhealthy and fat? Is it an extension of the rejection of science?

by Anonymousreply 16204/26/2020

More self-ownage.

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by Anonymousreply 16304/26/2020

You missed the good parts R163 ;)

[quote] I will often be in the Oval Office late into the night & read & see that I am angrily eating a hamburger & Diet Coke in my bedroom.

[quote] The people that know me and know the history of our Country say that I am the hardest working President in history.

Those two groups have zero overlap: People who know Trump well and People who know the history of our country

by Anonymousreply 16404/26/2020

You can’t keep a good thread down.

by Anonymousreply 16504/26/2020

This is the most popular thread by far.

by Anonymousreply 16604/26/2020

We have one of the worst GOP congressmen in the history of the world in my area, but we will lose in the fall because the democratic candidates are so awful. One us a creepy rich guy who’s tried to buy the seat for the last 3 elections & always loses; a fat lesbian who doesn’t comb her ratty old hair & wears tight, flesh- colored pants, exposing what looks like endless rolls of gunt, and a phony middle age blonde you want to punch in the face.

I remember when we put up good looking, well groomed middle class & working class people for these slots. Even if ugly, at least they were groomed and dressed as if they wanted your respect. Now any billionaire, multimillionaire, sloppy repulsive-looking cow, and desperate attention-seeker is A-ok to be a democratic candidate.

And the republicans get a veteran in a suit. Why can’t we get a veteran in a suit? I don’t care if it’s a male or female veteran, or a gay or straight veteran as long as that veteran looks like s/he didn’t walk in the room straight after rolling out of bed & pulling something to wear out of the dirty laundry basket. Or doesn’t look like some low-grade reproduction of a Silicon Valley tech billionaire.

Is it that hard?

by Anonymousreply 16704/26/2020

If you have something to offer, spill it. You are accusing everyone who posts in this thread as being a troll.

by Anonymousreply 16804/26/2020

Hmmm, Nobel Prize. What could he be thinking of? Who could he be thinking of? Hmm.

by Anonymousreply 16904/26/2020

This thread is on and poppin’

by Anonymousreply 17004/26/2020

As the market continues to tank and his re-election becoming less likely, he will try to find a quick way out. I hope.

by Anonymousreply 17104/26/2020

The only thing he likes about being President is that he gets to fuck over people. He's lazy, stupid and completely selfish. He hates doing actual work. Which is why there is basically minimal government response to the, you know, the WORLDWIDE PANDEMIC. He has absolutely no interest in people dying, only how he looks and how it affect his polls. The biggest thing he's upset about is that he can't go to his favorite restaurants.

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Yes. In all likelihood he’s going to lose. Frankly, he probably would have lost without this catastrophe. This has simply sealed the deal. And he will also take out several Repuke senators with him — at least enough to put the Dems in the majority.

by Anonymousreply 17404/26/2020

I can't believe the "Hillary stans are so stupid" dipshit is STILL on Datalounge, and still posting the exact same things, word for word, that he posted four years ago. Talk about being obsessed. He doesn't even realize no one brings up HRC except trolls like him. She's irrelevant.

But the stolen election in 2016 IS still relevant, so I guess these trolls need to keep pushing the line that it wasn't stolen at all, it was just that Hillary is History's Greatest Monster And Also Just Like Hitler (tm).

by Anonymousreply 17504/26/2020

The independent vote alone should sink his 'legacy' of evil.

Defeat Hatred. Vote Democrat.

by Anonymousreply 17604/26/2020

Re: R135's analysis, I would say that it's pointless to listen to someone who tries to tell you insights about the demographics of this board, but who doesn't know enough about Datalounge to even be able to quote properly.

by Anonymousreply 17704/26/2020

In other gripping, insightful, timely news, NYT pronounces that water is wet.

by Anonymousreply 17804/26/2020

Independents are fickle and prone to believe a lot of the Republican claptrap.

by Anonymousreply 17904/26/2020

Trump is a Republican. They have no problem with his behavior or conduct. They could have impeached him. They did this to the American people. They deserve to be throw out off office.

Nervous? It this the right emotion, they should be feeling tremendous guilt and shame. They are the worse of the worst. The Republican party is doing more damage to the American people than Hitler was able to do. Hitler would love this republican party.

by Anonymousreply 18004/26/2020

Most people — Democrats, independents, and even a few Repugs — are tired of his daily insanity. They simply want this to be over. That’s not going to change between now and November, in part, because he’s only going to become more insane and more unhinged, as this morning’s tweets revealed.

by Anonymousreply 18104/26/2020

Wouldn't it be great if DL could program a function into the UI that would show the country of origin for every post.

by Anonymousreply 18204/26/2020

r182, should be simple to do since the IPs are logged already.

by Anonymousreply 18304/26/2020

[quote]R121 makes the same fucked up mistake and believes no one notices because it's comparative to the current failure of leadership.

R121 also happens to be lying, as a quick check would show.

[quote]Is there a possibility McConnell will announce his retirement & put up some young tea party GOP viper for his seat?

Not a chance. It's getting to the point where it would be too late, anyway. You need time to build up a campaign organization, fund-raise, etc., and for Senate, particularly this year, that's horribly expensive.

by Anonymousreply 18404/26/2020

R133 Seth Myers' speech put Trump on the edge. It was Obama's joke later on that pushed him over, and the very reason Trump despises Obama so much. That is how petty this piece of shit is that we're dealing with.... and I suspect Putin put that clip on a loop and thought to himself, "Now's the time......."

by Anonymousreply 18504/26/2020

Please fight the trolls and keep this thread going. And don’t be afraid to post new threads about Trump.

DATALOUNGERS: If you tuned in late and don’t understand some the references above, know that a person or group has been working hard to suppress any discussion of Trump on this site. They are finding old “safe” posts from 2015 (before Trump took office) and are reposting them as current discussions, which pushes all current threads down and off the main read list.

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by Anonymousreply 18604/26/2020

Let’s never forget the utter despair republicans felt after the release of the Access Hollywood tape.

by Anonymousreply 18704/26/2020

Just catching up on this thread and bumping it. Carry on!

by Anonymousreply 18804/26/2020

I for one can think of nothing more satisfying than that two-faced, hypocritical, evil, scumbag, closet fag - Moscow Mitch loosing his Senate seat and dethroned for good in 2020. As much as I detest the rest of these greedy pieces of human filth, Grandma McTurtle is a turd that needs flushing. Send Old Mother Hubbard packing! Just desserts for Grammy.

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Completely agree R189. Moscow Mitch needs to get the boot. Send that fucking POS packing.

by Anonymousreply 19004/26/2020

McConnell is Satan's Little Helper.

by Anonymousreply 19104/26/2020

Sheesh: Now the petulant child is crying over the “Noble” Prize

by Anonymousreply 19204/26/2020

[quote] Independents are fickle and prone to believe a lot of the Republican claptrap.

Most independents lean right, even hard right like my neighbor.

by Anonymousreply 19304/26/2020

He can't do anything right. It must kill him that he's a complete laughingstock.

by Anonymousreply 19404/26/2020

[quote] R61: Let's face it -- unless you're in a swing state, who you vote for for President doesn't make much difference these days.

I disagree completely. Even the Bluest of states need Blue voters to show up to vote. Besides, it’s important to even vote in hopelessly Red states, too. A tsunami of Dev votes in a nationwide tally will give the Democratic President a claim of having a “mandate“ to implement their policiesm and represent a widespread rejection of Trump and his policies. Trump could never claim a mandate, and thank God for that.

Down-ticket elections are extremely important this year since state houses are redrawing (gerrymandering) their congressional districts next term. it would be better for the committee char to be a Dem, and the states Houses be majority Dem, in as many states as possible. .

by Anonymousreply 19504/26/2020

WW for R195. 100% correct!

by Anonymousreply 19604/26/2020

Exactly, R195. And contrary to what someone said above, it DOES bother Trump that he lost the popular vote -- that's why he lies and insists that he won the popular vote. It gets to him.

by Anonymousreply 19704/26/2020

Old news, but worth repeating for those who might not know - and to demonstrate how truly small, pretty, pathetic, and pathological Trump is:

The reason why Trump hates Hillary so much? It has nothing to do with her emails or Benghazi. It's because he wasn't invited to Chelsea's wedding. Seriously! It was the "big event of the season" . He made dozens of calls trying to wrangle an invitation. And he felt slighted because Bill and Hillary had attended his wedding to Melania. There were many articles about it at the time, and I think Vanity Fair did an expose. But little attention was paid at the time because it was an "entertainment" story.

by Anonymousreply 19804/26/2020

R198 here. "petty", NOT "pretty". Sorry for the typo.

by Anonymousreply 19904/26/2020

R198, if you remove the comma after pretty, your comment stands – – pretty pathetic

by Anonymousreply 20004/26/2020

A Trump adviser admitted on ABC today that the unemployment rate will reach that of the Great Depression:

[quote]Kevin Hassett, who recently returned to the White House to advise Trump on the economy, said on ABC this morning, "We're going to be looking at an unemployment rate that approaches rates that we saw during the Great Depression."

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by Anonymousreply 20104/26/2020

Here's one of several stories regarding Trump trying to get into Chelsea's wedding..

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by Anonymousreply 20204/27/2020

Biden’s Invisible Campaign Is Working

April 26, 2020

Harry Enten:

“A lot of Democrats have been hankering for Biden to try and get out to be more part of the daily media conversation. The latest numbers suggest that these voices are likely wrong. Biden’s proving that the less media he receives, the better it is for his electoral prospects.”

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Why create a distraction while your opponent Is shooting himself in the foot?

by Anonymousreply 20404/27/2020

More from Harry Enten:

[quote]Biden's getting beat by Trump in media mentions by a ~9:1 margin over last month, & Biden's winning. (Clinton was getting beat 2:1 at this point.) Lesson from 2020 so far & 2016: Dem's pathway to win is to give Trump the media spotlight & stand back

[quote]Folks seem to confuse the media domination that Trump got in the 2016 primary (which was very good for his campaign) and the media in general elections (very bad). If you got an unpopular incumbent, more media on him isn't going to help his cause...

[quote]Once the media turns to Biden... It can turn the election into a choice... A choice Biden may win... but is much more uncertain... As we saw with Clinton in 16 when the media attention turned to her in the final weeks of 2016...

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Totally agree with Biden's strategy. The story should be this health crisis which was mismanaged and continues to be mismanaged by this admin. We have a mismanaged health crisis and an economic shut down, things could not be worse. Dump has to own this.

by Anonymousreply 20604/27/2020

Is his erratic and delusional behavior due to his years of amphetamine abuse? Asides from his obvious megalomania? Hitler was deep into the drugs too and there are many similarities. I do think his Dr Feelgood has been tempering his agitation with benzos as of late but he is spiralling out of control. Just curious if any of you have some expertise in this area?

by Anonymousreply 20704/27/2020

Why hasn't this person's twitter account been suspended? He advised desperate citizens to consume bleach to cure this virus. he is a menace. I totally believe the tale of this person having grudge because he was not invited to the wedding of the year.

by Anonymousreply 20804/27/2020

r207, I seriously think it has to do with his personality disorder. He is getting slammed by the press and he can't do his rallies which boosts his ego. He is going through narcissistic withdrawal.

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by Anonymousreply 20904/27/2020

I feel you R186 but seems your troll is on a fool's mission

What percentage of DLers are even vaguely disposed to not hate Trump?


We are all Democrats or Independents and none of us are voting for him, period.

by Anonymousreply 21004/27/2020

One thing - Trump is all about himself. I'll be so glad to see that aspect disappear come next January. Fortunately it's all Covid-19 right now and i'm getting pretty irritated by that too.

by Anonymousreply 21104/27/2020

If he sinks, does that mean he wasn't a witch, after all?

by Anonymousreply 21204/27/2020

Republicans aren't stupid. The actually have had a long term game plan since the 1980s and have pretty much reached most of their goals.

Trump is in office because they want him in office. If Trump was a liability for the Republican party, we would have President Pence. They have had more than enough opportunities to replace him. They only need a handful of Republican Senators to "take one for the team" to have him impeached. They could have easily blamed it on the Democrats and energized their base for elections. I have no idea what the endgame is, but clearly all is going to plan. I am sure there will be some sort of October Surprise that had been planned months ago.

by Anonymousreply 21304/27/2020

r213, you're ignoring, intentionally, one must assume, that 90+% of the GOP is being actively blackmailed by Putin for, largely, treasonous crimes.

by Anonymousreply 21404/27/2020

The only people who want Biden to go out and speak more are Sanders supporters, which tells you right there that it's a bad idea. He's going to get the nomination, there are no more primaries, he doesn't have a VP nominee yet and we're pretty busy with the pandemic, so his updates about the virus are exactly what he should be doing and nothing more.

by Anonymousreply 21504/27/2020

[quote]Why would anyone who doesn’t support him vote for him?

Ask the retard Bernie Bro fucks who’d rather die on the hill of Trump 2020 than hold their noses and vote for Biden, R60.

by Anonymousreply 21604/27/2020

There was recently a poll of people who disliked both Biden and Trump, i.e. people who don't support either. Overwhelmingly, the people who don't support either candidate would still vote Biden over Trump.

There's a difference between voting for and outright supporting.

by Anonymousreply 21704/27/2020

"Trump is in office because they want him in office. "

Disagree. Only when Trump was the presumptive nominee did they all fall in line behind him. They didn't install him. They had no control over the situation (most wouldve preferred Jeb Bush) and were forced to ride the tiger as it were. Many Republicans at the time were predicting that Trump would do irreparable damage to the party. (and they were right! ha)

by Anonymousreply 21804/27/2020

[quote]There's a difference between voting for and outright supporting.

Yeah. Bernie Bro fucks will vote for Trump but still support Sanders.

by Anonymousreply 21904/27/2020

[quote]There's a difference between voting for and outright supporting.

Yeah. Bernie Bro fucks will vote for Trump but still support Sanders.

by Anonymousreply 22004/27/2020

Not sure why all the animosity is still being carried over from 2016 when Bernie already endorsed Biden and Biden has opened his arms for Bernie's supporters. Scratch that statement. I know why:

Anyone putting out the 'retard' label, or anything like it, needs a smack upside the head and is obviously trolling to create more chaos and divide.

Here's the message we all need now: Defeat Hatred, Vote Democrat in 2020.

by Anonymousreply 22104/27/2020

Every thinking person should be hostile towards Comrade Sanders, now, and forever.

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by Anonymousreply 22204/27/2020

[quote]Anyone putting out the 'retard' label, or anything like it, needs a smack upside the head and is obviously trolling to create more chaos and divide.

Don’t fucking try to police the thread R221, it’s not your place.

by Anonymousreply 22304/27/2020

Sure, R223, just like you're doing now. Going to call me a name now? Boo the fucking hoo.Grow a pair and ignore or block me. These threads are all self-policed and always have been.

by Anonymousreply 22404/27/2020

Now where have I heard the expression 'not your place' before? Been a long time, but I do remember it came out of the mouth of a fat, lying bigot who had been caught stealing from my company and it was his last, lame attempt at getting me to back off.

I don't back down, off, or up....unless I've had too much milk.

What's clear is that the truth is finally catching up with them. Much of the public now understands that the 'elected' officials in this country are completely beholden to corporate donors and big money and will do nothing without monetizing it for profit first and foremost.

By the way, new reports out of the UK show this virus is attacking young people and has morphed into a far more dangerous situation with clotting occurring in major organs. How many calls for their sacrifice will there be?

by Anonymousreply 22504/27/2020

this fucking travesty again

by Anonymousreply 22604/27/2020

Looks like the geriatric dyke hates it when a man puts her in her place.

by Anonymousreply 22704/27/2020

I'll be happy with wins in both Congress and the Senate so we can impeach and remove this bastard, charge Ivanka, Jared, Miller, Barr, etc. with major crimes and violations. Barr needs to be imprisoned for suppressing the Mueller report, if nothing else.

Too many have gotten away with too much for too long. And they'll scream 'partisanship' all day long when justice finally parks on their doorstep. I think Biden isn't quite so vindictive, but I'd love to see Kamala Harris as the new AG.

by Anonymousreply 22804/27/2020

"Yeah. Bernie Bro fucks will vote for Trump but still support Sanders."

I don't get this. Even if you're a brainwashed BernieBro and hate Biden (or any other candidate) with the fiery of a thousand suns. If you have to choose between Biden and Trump, they really think Trump is the better option? I mean WTF!!!

by Anonymousreply 22904/27/2020


There are a handful of angry BernieBros on Twitter who are dumping on Biden.

A couple thousand people at best.

Most of them will not bother to vote since it's more fun to tweet.

Even if they do vote, most live in deep blue states where any anti-Biden votes don't matter.

This is not 2016 again where they can convince themselves that voting for Jill Stein was a protest vote that didn't matter because Hillary was going to win anyway.

by Anonymousreply 23004/27/2020

[quote]I don't back down, off, or up....unless I've had too much milk.

Drop the shtick, bitch. And put the fucking rightwing sexist troll who has been hassling lesbians all over Datalounge on fucking IGNORE already. Stop stinking up the thread with your self-indulgent "troll fighting" because it doesn't work, dipshit. This guy just wants your attention and you keep giving it to him.

Special memo to the fucking sexist troll hassling lesbians: Die, shithead.

by Anonymousreply 23104/27/2020

trolly trolly TROLLY!!!!

by Anonymousreply 23204/27/2020

Distraction trolls, definitely.

When someone comes blaring in with a completely off-kilter "Bernie retard fucks!" kind of post that isn't really warranted, they're trying to start something. Don't help them.

by Anonymousreply 23304/27/2020

Clang clang clang went the trolly!

by Anonymousreply 23404/27/2020

Please enjoy this clip of MAGAs supporting their president during these difficult times.

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by Anonymousreply 23504/27/2020

Biden hasn't been hiding in a closet the whole time. He has been doing interviews and townhalls, CNN comes to mind, but they haven't been getting any press. One thing he has been doing that people may not be aware of is he's been doing Zoom meetings with unions and other organizations in swing States.

by Anonymousreply 23604/27/2020

It is kind of funny when someone on Twitter claims Biden hasn't been seen, because every time -- every. single. time. -- there's a link right there on his Twitter of a recent appearance. I don't know why people keep trying it, but they do.

by Anonymousreply 23704/27/2020

An article on Biden's online engagements. Think of these like a visit to a local fair, but without the bad food.

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by Anonymousreply 23804/27/2020

I bet they are pissed that Joe and Bernie camps were able to burry the political hatchet. We have some loud mouths still pissing into the wind, but most of us know this shit needs to end. 50,000 dead Americans are partially on Trump's list of "accomplishments". Even Reddit Politics, a great source for trolls, has been silent as they await their marching orders from Russia. Every argument against Biden sinks like a stone when you have a POTUS talking about flushing a body with disinfectant, ignoring the virus, and praising China's response in February. Biden is no Hillary and most Democrats can see through Trump's bs.

I'm sending Biden's campaign a donation today and i'm going to look into Democratic Super Pacs.

by Anonymousreply 23904/27/2020

[quote] Biden hasn't been hiding in a closet the whole time.

Pence, OTOH.....

by Anonymousreply 24004/27/2020

r215 plus his poll numbers are rising. People don't give a rip about politics right now. They know he's the other option, until the country opens up again or until we are closer to the Fall, people really don't want see campaign crap. Biden's camp is playing this correctly. After the online Convention, things can change.

by Anonymousreply 24104/27/2020

Americans are lazy and uninformed.

His campaign will smear the Dems, and the Russians will help.

He'll win again. We're fucked.

by Anonymousreply 24204/27/2020

Save it for election night r242. This country has been through worse and still came out the other end as a super power. We can manage Trump. If he wins in November then he will run the country further into the ground giving us a landslide win in 2024. The world will keep on turning. Stop with the defeatist attitude.

by Anonymousreply 24304/27/2020

r227, I doubt anyone gives a shit about your mood. Your misogyny and homophobia however is appalling.

by Anonymousreply 24404/27/2020

[quote]I'll be happy with wins in both Congress and the Senate so we can impeach and remove this bastard, charge Ivanka, Jared, Miller, Barr, etc. with major crimes and violations. Barr needs to be imprisoned for suppressing the Mueller report, if nothing else.

Huh? Do you think it's remotely possible to have wins in Congress and the Senate and still end up with a president we need to impeach? That seems a very unlikely scenario. There's no way there'd be a big enough Democratic wave to flip the Senate and still end up with Trump being re-elected.

by Anonymousreply 24504/27/2020

Dump deleted his weekend rants from twiitter. What has he not done? He has not been on the frontlines to visit frontline workers who have worked through this crisis with great risk to their health and their family's health. Not cool.

by Anonymousreply 24604/27/2020

[quote]Dump deleted his weekend rants from twiitter.

I wonder who convinced him to do that? That White House must be a mess. Now, there will be a press conference today.

by Anonymousreply 24704/27/2020

I think one of his handlers deleted his texts. Maybe Hope HIcks or the other guy.

by Anonymousreply 24804/27/2020

[quote] I wonder who convinced him to do that? That White House must be a mess. Now, there will be a press conference today.

Seriously, and yeah , maybe I'm giving wifey and the adult children too much credit, but, after the injecting and light fiasco, perhaps an emergency family meeting was held, attendance required. Perhaps they told him he was coming across badly. Perhaps they told him he is endangering his presidency and re-election ( not us, of course) . Perhaps they told him that his Dr. Demento schtick, on national TV every. single. fucking. day. was humiliating and embarrassing them, and he needed to cut it out.

Maybe they told him they've got Secret Service permission to tackle him if he heads to a microphone.

I've posted a version of the foregoing before. I'll cop to it-I'm curious what the adult kids are thinking about all of this.

by Anonymousreply 24904/27/2020

I see them. I'll add the latest. Hopefully they won't be repeats;

Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump·8h

Blame the Democrats for any “lateness” in your Enhanced Unemployment Insurance. I wanted the money to be paid directly, they insisted it be paid by states for distribution. I told them this would happen, especially with many states which have old computers.

There has never been, in the history of our Country, a more vicious or hostile Lamestream Media than there is right now, even in the midst of a National Emergency, the Invisible Enemy!


Why should the people and taxpayers of America be bailing out poorly run states (like Illinois, as example) and cities, in all cases Democrat run and managed, when most of the other states are not looking for bailout help? I am open to discussing anything, but just asking?

by Anonymousreply 25004/27/2020

R246, he may have deleted those bizarre rants from Twitter, but all his tweets are immediately catalogued and are considered official presidential correspondence. These tweets cannot just disappear. They are now part of history, will be included in his papers at a future Trump Presidential Library and will be quoted in school textbooks for all future generations to study.

by Anonymousreply 25104/27/2020

The following is a good read. How interesting that most of us have heard the idiom; "Look to history or it will repeat itself." Or, something like that. Sp, I wondered what happened to Congress after the 1929 crash Look what I found! It's a good read;

What Happened the Last Time Republicans Had a Majority This Huge?

They lost it.

By JOSH ZEITZ November 15, 2014

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Evidently you do R244.

Fuck off.

by Anonymousreply 25304/27/2020

I watched Casablanca on TCM yesterday and at one point in the nightclub Germans started singing the the German national anthem. The rest of the people in the night club looked appalled then Victor Laszlo cued the musicians to play La Marseillaise, the French national anthem, to drown them out. Next the patrons started to sing along and completely out sang the Germans.

I had forgotten that scene but it's so relevant today and it brought tears to my eyes. I read that the tears in the cast's eyes were genuine.

That's what we have to do, we have to out sing and out vote the repuke nazi scum in this nation, starting with trump and mcconnell, and sweep them all out of office this year.

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#MoscowMitch claim to fave is blocking a well qualified supreme court justice (merrick garland), and placing a bloated, alcoholic asshole on there. I mean, he brags about undermining the United States Supreme Court. He is bragging about undermining our Democracy.

MoscowMItch could care less about the Treasonous Trumps or how putin is hacking into our election. He blocked a trial of trump in the US Senate. Clearly, he is a traitor too. George Washington would have shot these people by now.

Vote ALL Republicans Out of OFFICE. These elected-republicans are the modern Nazi Party.

HELP US!!! If you are a registered Republican, we need you to help us get our Democracy back. We need you to help us vote out these traitors.

by Anonymousreply 25504/27/2020

[quote]Dump deleted his weekend rants from twiitter.

It's unusual for Trump to delete his tweets -- usually he doubles down. Maybe even he or his advisers realized he went too far this time.

by Anonymousreply 25604/27/2020

who are these people who delete trump's tweets? They are being catalogued and saved.

by Anonymousreply 25704/27/2020

"Vote ALL Republicans Out of OFFICE. These elected-republicans are the modern Nazi Party."

This will never happen. We need to get away from the two party system. We need more parties so people have more options.

by Anonymousreply 25804/27/2020

R258 makes an interesting observation.

The U.S. political system is unusual in the Western world because it only has 2 parties -- almost every other Western country has multiple parties. They don't all get to form government, but there are multiple choices and so the electorate is not divided into only 2 slices.

by Anonymousreply 25904/27/2020

r256, Last week he was center stage free associating about the efficacy of injecting/ingesting caustic chemicals to cure this virus. I hope he and his supporters use his advice at the first possible moment.

by Anonymousreply 26004/27/2020

What is the purpose of spreading his hate tweets and propaganda to this site? What is the value there?

We already know what he says, and can even predict it to the letter.

I don’t think it’s a good idea to spread those words around so gleefully to be “helpful”.

It’s not helpful at this point. It just further propagates the message.

Is that your goal?

by Anonymousreply 26104/27/2020

WTF are you talking about?

by Anonymousreply 26204/27/2020

Which tweet went over the edge? It seems to me they were par for the course...equally deranged.

by Anonymousreply 26304/27/2020

Diamond and Silk fired.

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YUCK, r264.

by Anonymousreply 26504/27/2020

Wait for an announcement from these two ladies that they actually did this only for money.

by Anonymousreply 26604/27/2020

[quote]HELP US!!! If you are a registered Republican, we need you to help us get our Democracy back. We need you to help us vote out these traitors.

Why just registered Republicans? We can't even get all the Democrats and independents to support us.

by Anonymousreply 26704/27/2020

Perhaps Ivanka's line of Designer Voting Machines will be ready for the November election. No doubt republicans would be happy to purchase her brand of voting machines.

by Anonymousreply 26804/27/2020

In order to get rid of the 2-party system, we would have to abolish the electoral college. It would take a miracle to do that. It would require the votes of two-thirds of the U.S. House of Representatives, two-thirds of the Senate, and three-fourths of the states.

by Anonymousreply 26904/27/2020

There is a way to go to a popular vote. Why keep something so fucking stupid?

by Anonymousreply 27004/27/2020

I am feeling very optimistic about Biden's chances.

Trump is handing him so many great campaign themes:

* He is trying to divide the nation in a time of crisis rather than bring us all together

* He shows no compassion for his fellow Americans and has made the pandemic about himself.

* He is unable to offer any clear leadership or guidance

* His lack of honesty and espousal of quack theories are what you'd expect from a third world strongman and cost tens of thousands of lives

* His administration completely screwed up the relief effort.

And on an on and on.

His base is not very large and many people who voted for him in 2016 because Hillary won't make the same mistake twice, no matter how far ahead the polls show Biden to be.

by Anonymousreply 27104/27/2020

I was optimistic until the whole impeachment fiasco. Half of the country is just batshit crazy and won't listen to reason.

by Anonymousreply 27204/27/2020

I posted on another thread that I would like to see the U.S. have a parliamentary system, and I have been advocating that for many years.

Too bad it's not going to happen.

by Anonymousreply 27304/27/2020

Dump was impeached.

by Anonymousreply 27404/27/2020

I'd like to see some states try it first r273. States are supposed to be these laboratories of democracies, but they're mostly just dreary carbon copies of the federal government. Same dull bicameral legislature. Same dull governor. Idaho? Oklahoma? What are you clinging to? Try something different, just for the variety.

by Anonymousreply 27504/27/2020


Diamond and Silk®@DiamondandSilk

Haters keep saying they hate Diamond and Silk, but you can't hate what you ain't never loved!

8:53 PM · Apr 27, 2020

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Nervous Republicans See Trump Sinking, and Taking Senate With Him .

They can't blame DT for taking the Senate with him, if these nervous Republicans consistently and willingly voted with him and never voted against the party line. That's on them.

by Anonymousreply 27704/27/2020

Thoughts and prayers for the poor Republican senators who will lose their jobs.

by Anonymousreply 27804/27/2020

throw their bodies in a ditch

by Anonymousreply 27904/27/2020

R272 It isn't half. It is only 1/3 of them who are tRump supporters. Not that I have much hope, but perhaps a few of those 1/3 will have come to their senses regarding how Dotard tRump has handled the pandemic.

by Anonymousreply 28004/27/2020

GOP Senators Worried About 2020? | The View

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New poll from Suffolk has Biden with a solid lead over Trump.

Suffolk has previously been a good pollster for Trump, so this could be a warning sign for him:


April 27, 2020

[quote]Six months before Election Day, the coronavirus pandemic has done what impeachment did not: Cost President Donald Trump his advantage over Joe Biden in the 2020 campaign.

[quote]A new USA TODAY/Suffolk University Poll shows the former vice president leading Trump nationwide by 6 percentage points, 44% to 38%, a shift from Trump's 3-point lead in the survey as he was being impeached by the House in December. In a contest without a third-party contender, Biden's margin jumps to 10 points, 50% to 40%.

[quote]In the previous poll, when Trump led 44% to 41%, Biden was in the middle of a fierce battle for the Democratic nomination. Now he is the party's presumptive nominee.

[quote]The findings underscore the challenge the deadly pandemic is posing to the president’s political standing, which has proved durable through investigations into Russian meddling in the 2016 election, a Senate impeachment trial over his dealings with Ukraine and other controversies.

[quote]Now Trump's standing may be threatened in the face of questions about the response he and his administration have made to a disease that has cost more than 55,000 lives in the United States and imperiled the nation’s economy.

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50,000 dead Americans and only a 6 point lead? Unreal.

by Anonymousreply 28304/27/2020

The lead stretches to 10 points without a third-party candidate.

And that's about as large a lead as you can get in a polarized electorate.

by Anonymousreply 28404/27/2020

[quote] you can't hate what you ain't never loved!

Well, that's not true at all. All the right-wingers like Diamond & Silk hate us, and they sure as hell never loved us.

by Anonymousreply 28504/28/2020

[Quote]50,000 dead Americans and only a 6 point lead? Unreal.

Someone asked him today if a president who has lost more Americans than during the Vietnam War deserves to be reelected. He came up with the same bs excuses and then ran away like a coward. He obviously did not like this. The Dems should use it.

by Anonymousreply 28604/28/2020

Rational people hate him but his followers adore him. Just go to right wing sites like New Republic.

And these fuckers are gonna flock to the voting booth come November.

by Anonymousreply 28704/28/2020

democrats just can't vote, they just don't

add voter suppression in the mix and the dems I fear will lose

by Anonymousreply 28804/28/2020

R288, Wisconsin really belied your post, and added a liberal WI Supreme Court justice, so...

by Anonymousreply 28904/28/2020

His fans feel like the world looks down on them and he's the only one saying "fuck you" to the people who think they're "better than us"

You can see that sort of thinking seep out on DL too--they may not vote for Trump but there is a definite chip on the shoulder

by Anonymousreply 29004/28/2020

So did Democratic voters in 2017, 2018, and 2019, R289. The hand-wringing concern trolls are just that: trolls.

by Anonymousreply 29104/28/2020

Has Trump ever mentioned that election? I just loved that he endorsed this guy - who had a safe ticket - and boom, he is out. I'm surprised people still ask him for endorsements. Just last week he tweeted several of them always with the same old message...strong on immigration, violence, will protect 2A, supports veterans bla bla bla. Same happened in Louisiana, Kentucky etc. We should make a list. His endorsements are toxic.

by Anonymousreply 29204/28/2020

And, somehow Barack Obama was able to win twice.

The concern trolls told us that Doug Jones would NEVER win in deep red Alabama and that the Dems would never take back the House.

The indicators point to a Biden win and perhaps a takeover of the Senate. It’s really not that implausible, so the excessive handwringing and the constant invocation of Hillary and 2016 is unwarranted.

by Anonymousreply 29304/28/2020

Under normal circumstances the Democrats should slaughter the repubs. But with so much voter suppression and god knows what other tricks and outright illegal shenanigans, no one knows what will happen. They'll do anything to win.

by Anonymousreply 29404/28/2020

weird, keeps eating posts.

by Anonymousreply 29504/28/2020

Yes he did, r286...

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by Anonymousreply 29604/28/2020

Olivia Nuzzi of New York Magazine was the reporter. Here's the blowback she's been getting.

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by Anonymousreply 29704/28/2020

Donnie is so pissed in R296 video. He usually doesn't make much sense, but there you can feel he's been so worked up by the "direspectful" question that he keeps repeating senseless stuff as "we've done a really good job", "we've done a terrific job" and on and on. Thanks R296, that made my day.

by Anonymousreply 29804/28/2020

[quote]democrats just can't vote, they just don't

Democrats just voted in record numbers during the 2018 midterm and won almost everything. They also just voted IN THE MIDDLE OF A PANDEMIC in Wisconsin and defeated Trump's candidate in a landslide. Democrats have won almost every election since Trump was elected, even in red states.

by Anonymousreply 29904/28/2020

R299 Repubs held onto the US Senate in 2018.

by Anonymousreply 30004/28/2020

Mike Pence being an asshole.

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by Anonymousreply 30104/28/2020

R300 No one expected Democrats to win back the Senate in 2018.

by Anonymousreply 30204/28/2020

This admin is getting heat from their delayed and limp response to covid. Dump has yet to show up on the frontlines anywhere to offer inspiration to frontline workers, business owners or the ill. Dump doesn't inspire, he repulses. So they send the VP out to meet front line workers and the VP cant be bothered to even pretend to have respect for anyone by wearing a face mask during that visit. GARBAGE PEOPLE.

by Anonymousreply 30304/28/2020

[quote] R300: [R299] Repubs held onto the US Senate in 2018

This statement is disingenuous. In rebel 2018 election, the number of Dem incumbent Senators Defending their seats in the election was far greater than the number of Republican incumbent Senate seats up for election. Most of the Republican Senators were in deep red territory, too.

It’s the flip side in 2020. There are far more Republican incumbents defending their seats than there are Dem incumbents.

by Anonymousreply 30404/28/2020

Among 16 tossup Senate seats, 11 are currently held by Republicans; and only 5 by Democrats.

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[quote]Repubs held onto the US Senate in 2018.

Yes, they did, and gained a couple of seats. But what you are oh so conveniently ignoring is that this was the worst Senate map in a century and that McConnell was confidently talking about having a 60-vote majority in the Senate. The blue wave allowed the Democrats to take back the House, held off the bleeding in the Senate, and, if it had been a Presidential vote, would have resulted in Trump's defeat.

[quote]Welcome to reality.

I doubt you and reality are on speaking terms these days.

by Anonymousreply 30604/28/2020

"Dump has yet to show up on the frontlines anywhere to offer inspiration to frontline workers, business owners or the ill."

I wish Americans had the courage to give him the same treatment the Australian prime minister got after the bush fires. But when Dump really visits survivors or families, it will be a fake handpicked crowd like when he visited that hospital after the mass shooting. Remember the horrible pictures with that baby whose parents had just been killed? The whole visit was staged and fake.

by Anonymousreply 30704/28/2020

Republicans trying to save themselves?

Justin Amash announces presidential exploratory committee

By Haley Byrd

Updated 9:24 PM ET, Tue April 28, 2020

(CNN)Justin Amash, a Republican-turned independent congressman from Michigan, announced Tuesday night that he is launching an exploratory committee for long-shot presidential bid as a Libertarian.

Amash launched a website announcing he has formed an exploratory committee for a presidential campaign.

"Americans are ready for practical approaches based in humility and trust of the people," he said in his announcement. "We're ready for a presidency that will restore respect for our Constitution and bring people together. I'm excited and honored to be taking these first steps toward serving Americans of every background as president."

His potential entry into the race comes after more than a year of deliberation.

In recent days it became more evident that Amash was likely to launch a campaign for the presidency. Earlier this month, he said he was looking "closely" at a bid and two weeks ago he said in a statement that he stopped actively campaigning for his House seat in mid-February while he considered jumping into the presidential race.

He was facing a tough reelection in Michigan's 3rd District. National Republicans were eager to defeat him, and several Republicans have been running for the seat.

If he is to run in the general election for president, Amash will have to win the Libertarian Party's nomination at their convention in Austin, Texas, which is currently set for the end of May. That timing could change depending on the coronavirus pandemic.

While it is very unlikely a third-party candidate could win the presidency, a high-profile third-party contender has the potential to reshape the race. In 2016, Libertarian presidential nominee Gary Johnson, a former governor of New Mexico, was on the ballot in every state and won a little over 3% of the national vote.

Whether a strong Amash showing on Election Day could hurt the Republican candidate or the Democratic candidate more remains unclear.

President Donald Trump has continually earned high approval ratings among the overwhelming majority of self-identified Republicans throughout his presidency, but Amash could win support among traditionally Republican or conservative voters who are dissatisfied with Trump. He could also appeal to progressive voters who are unhappy with Joe Biden's candidacy and agree with Amash on issues like civil liberties and foreign policy.

Amash was first elected to represent Michigan's 3rd congressional district in the 2010 tea party wave. A traditional libertarian, he stood out from many of his House Republican colleagues to begin with, opposing expansive federal surveillance powers and American intervention abroad.

Over the years, Amash has been consistently willing to take controversial votes according to his view of limited government, often being one of the only House members to vote against legislation with broad bipartisan support, such as an anti-lynching bill in February.

In 2015, Amash was one of the founding members of the House Freedom Caucus, an influential group of hardline conservatives that clashed with House Republican leadership and pushed for a more open legislative process and curtailed federal spending. During Trump's first two years in office, it became clear that Amash — a vocal Trump critic — and his Freedom Caucus allies who are known today for being some of the President's most ardent supporters in Congress — had different priorities.

by Anonymousreply 30804/28/2020

He made waves last May when he announced his support for impeaching Trump over the findings in former special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election. He was the first and only House Republican to support impeachment, eventually voting for both articles of impeachment against the President as an independent late last year. In early June, not long after coming out for impeachment, he stepped down from the House Freedom Caucus and the HFC board, telling CNN at the time that he didn't want "to be a further distraction for the group."

On July 4 of last year, Amash announced he was leaving the Republican Party for good.

"The Republican Party, I believed, stood for limited government, economic freedom and individual liberty — principles that had made the American Dream possible for my family," he wrote in a Washington Post op-ed. "In recent years, though, I've become disenchanted with party politics and frightened by what I see from it. The two-party system has evolved into an existential threat to American principles and institutions."

Amash, 40, is the son of a Syrian immigrant mother and a Palestinian refugee father. Before entering Congress, he worked as a lawyer for his family's business and served a term from 2008-2010 in the Michigan state house.

In recent days, he has criticized the President's comments about federalism amid the coronavirus pandemic. On Monday, Trump said at his daily press conference when discussing states staying locked down that "when somebody's president of the United States, the authority is total, and that's the way it's got to be."

"Americans who believe in limited government deserve another option," Amash said of Trump's remarks.

Amash has repeatedly told reporters he would only run for president if he believes there is a path to victory. In March 2019, he told CNN he never stops thinking about possibilities like running for president "because there is a big problem with the current two-party system we have, and someone has to shake it up."

"Now, is it possible for anyone to shake it up and make a difference?" he asked at the time. "I don't know."

by Anonymousreply 30904/28/2020

While I respect Amash for distancing himself from the repulsive hypocrites, crooks and grifters that make up his former party, I theorize that his run will hardly make an impact on either Trump or Biden - certainly not Biden anyway.

by Anonymousreply 31004/28/2020

Amash is a fraud. He was always a Libertarian pretending to be a Republican.

by Anonymousreply 31104/28/2020

[quote] I theorize that his run will hardly make an impact on either Trump or Biden - certainly not Biden anyway.

I agree, R310. But, it might be a hail Mary to give Republicans a place to vote who can't vote Democrat and who are so disgusted with Trump that they can't vote for him either.

by Anonymousreply 31204/28/2020

AP reports in a new article that some of Trump's advisers are thinking of giving up on Michigan:

[quote]But the coronavirus has threatened to rewrite the Electoral College map, and Trump’s campaign has become concerned about losing support in several key swing states, particularly Florida and Wisconsin. Some advisers have all but written off Michigan, which Trump captured in 2016 by fewer than 11,000 votes. He is now locked in a feud with the state’s Democratic governor.

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Hopefully, all these republicans rot in that hell of theirs for what they did. Fucking modern day Nazi Party. You do not pull this kind of Fascist shit in America.

Registered Republicans, we need you to kick these Nazi to the Curb. Vote all these Republicans OUT OF OFFICE.

November 2020!

by Anonymousreply 31404/28/2020

Can he lose Michigan and still reach 270?

by Anonymousreply 31504/28/2020

r316 Da.

by Anonymousreply 31604/28/2020

No matter how any times I read articles like these or look at polls, my mind just keeps repeating that none of it matters because Russia will just keep McConnell in charge of the Senate and install Trump again because there was no price to be paid for doing it last time.

by Anonymousreply 31704/28/2020

^You are right to be concerned. Republicans have no morals and are traitors.

by Anonymousreply 31804/28/2020

R317 Yeah, me too.

by Anonymousreply 31904/29/2020

No one expected REPUBLICANS to win back the Senate in 2018.

I fixed it for you, r302.

Here was the conventional wisdom and polling 4 1/2 MONTHS before the COVID quarantines.

The Trumpster Fire never had the popular vote to begin with. you see? Moscow Mitch and his crooked cronies overplayed their hand. AGAIN.

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Do you see how Republicans don't have substance or results, so they just lie when they're called out?

by Anonymousreply 32104/29/2020

Republicans, Start Your Shitters!

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Is anyone else having trouble with giphy links? I keep getting a message the owner set the image to private.

by Anonymousreply 32304/29/2020

[quote] But, it might be a hail Mary to give Republicans a place to vote who can't vote Democrat and who are so disgusted with Trump that they can't vote for him either.

I was hoping they would just stay home.

by Anonymousreply 32404/29/2020

[quote]No one expected REPUBLICANS to win back the Senate in 2018.

How could they "win back" the Senate in 2018 when they already had it?

by Anonymousreply 32504/29/2020

Former Republican Sen. Jeff Flake: A "sound defeat" of Trump in the 2020 election would be better for the Republican Party

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Jeff Flake is another Libertarian who ran as a Republican under false pretenses, so of course he doesn't care about the Republican party or conservatism.

by Anonymousreply 32704/29/2020

R317 - I thought about that too, but with the glaring lack of information about Covid coming out of Russia compared to other major European countries (how many news reports have there been? I can't recall one), you have to wonder WTF is really going on there. So far they're claiming only about 1000 deaths. This a country with an aging population, terrible alcoholism and addiction problems, and not so great healthcare for the masses.

I imagine working conditions in bot farms are very much like those in meat packing plants. Cramped quarters, rotating shifts with workers sharing unsanitized equipment, and no protective measures provided by employers.

I wonder what western European intelligence services are finding out about the situation there.

by Anonymousreply 32804/29/2020

R282 As long as Biden doesn't start rambling about how hairy his legs are or threatening people with physical assault, I think this election is his to lose. Trump's catastrophic handling of the virus (did anyone really expect much from this clown?) coupled with the potential of a second coronavirus wave later this year will hopefully result in either a debate with no audience or a stream format with the candidates in different locations. Both of these scenarios will mitigate Biden's weaknesses and hurt Trump's key strength in riling up a crowd.

by Anonymousreply 32904/29/2020

New post from Harry Enten:

[quote]In case it is clear, Biden's in the best polling position for a challenger at this point in a prez election since... well probably since FDR in 32. Obviously plenty of time to go, but yea.

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[quote][R282] As long as Biden doesn't start rambling about how hairy his legs are or threatening people with physical assault, I think this election is his to lose.

Well, he has to come up with something to put this Tara Reade mess to bed. The MSM is so scared of being called liberal and partial has now taken the conservative bait and are beginning to gin up the story--it's all like the birther nonsense

by Anonymousreply 33104/29/2020

Without anything else coming out, it will die. There's nothing there.

by Anonymousreply 33204/29/2020

Biden does not have to address those accusations, he was VPOTUS for 8 years. When he was in office that was the time to bring that shit up. And you don't see your current potus discussing E Jean Carroll and he never will. Your potus and his admin have not made a single visit to front line workers during this health crisis and economic meltdown excluding the VP's visit to the Mayo clinic where he refused to wear a face mask. This admin including those so called Christians have utter contempt for America and it's citizens.

by Anonymousreply 33304/29/2020

R32 More women will be coming forward. It's what they do.

If he's guilty, most occurrences are not one-offs, but continued behavior.

If he's innocent, it means this most likely is a set up, so you can be certain "whoever" has a few more lined up ready to come out when the time is right.

I suspect the latter. Even if the woman is just crazy and believes she's telling the truth, the Repugs will take advantage and hire "victims" anyway.

by Anonymousreply 33404/29/2020

[quote]he was VPOTUS for 8 years. When he was in office that was the time to bring that shit up.

I agree with you R333. But, when you have a liberal journalist (I forget her name but she was on Chris Hayes tonight) that says (paraphrasing); "Well, the story is more credible for me because she has her neighbor who has gone on the record stating that Tara told her about the incident, AND there were two interns that remember that Tara was suddenly removed off of a project that they were working on and they thought that was strange, I think that there is something here..."

(eye roll)

by Anonymousreply 33504/29/2020

[quote]More women will be coming forward. It's what they do.

It's pretty unlikely, which is why Reade's complaint isn't getting much traction, and won't get any more unless something new does come along. Biden has been around forever and his behavior has always been the same. He was VP for eight years, this is his third run for President, he's been a public figure for decades. If he had a pattern of sexual harassment and/or rape, it would have come out, particularly with #MeToo.

by Anonymousreply 33604/29/2020

The Chris Hayes reviews are coming in;

-Kudos to @chrislhayes for just calling out the awfulness of having Klobuchar, Abrams, Gillibrand, and other female supporters field questions about Tara Reade’s accusation against Joe Biden rather than the candidate himself.

-Of course, why doesn’t he ask Tara on the show? Has he talked about the allegations before today? (tweeted by Krystal Ball)

-Wow let's all congratulate Chris for doing his job

Contra side;

-Chris Hayes completely misrepresented the Joe Biden / Tara Reade story tonight. Hayes ignored that she keeps changing her entire story. He falsely claimed that she has contemporaneous corroboration. He left out her connection to Putin. Hayes is a worthless Bernie Bro. Cancel him. (tweeted by Palmer Report)

-CHRIS HAYES is being UNFAIR TO BIDEN. Tara Reade's story has massive holes and she has a history of theft, yet they are not acknowledging this in wall to wall coverage. The 25 more credible allegations against Trump (who bragged about assault on tape) never got the same coverage.

-That was a very disgusting performance by Hayes. I would bet you that the Trump campaign is putting all this together so they can “swift boat” Biden with this obvious smear.

by Anonymousreply 33704/29/2020

R336 I agree with your assessment on Biden, and that this is not a pattern of behavior (hopefully!). My point was, it's not gonna stop ReTRUMPlican operatives from hiring women to come forward..... Hmm... I'd love to see what Roger Stone has been up to the fast few days....

by Anonymousreply 33804/29/2020

[quote] it's not gonna stop ReTRUMPlican operatives from hiring women to come forward

OK, they can manufacture victims, but they can’t make up credible supporting witnesses or reports. Tara asserts that she tried to tell people on Biden’s staff about these particular charges, which those people don’t recall. But some random woman can’t just say, “Biden assaulted me,” without having any evidence to back that up.

by Anonymousreply 33904/29/2020

Justin Amash to the rescue.

by Anonymousreply 34004/29/2020

There was an online article quoting a WH source saying that Trump is going to go ' scorched earth' on Joe Biden, because he doesn't have the economy to brag about anymore. Who knows what they have up their sleeves?

It's a long way to November.

by Anonymousreply 34104/29/2020

He's already scorching us with infection and dead bodies.

by Anonymousreply 34204/29/2020

It's called re-election, dumbfuck @ r325.

No party gets to keep the Senate without re-election of 1/3 of senators every two years.

But American civics is not your strong suit, is it, Boris?

by Anonymousreply 34304/29/2020

Oh do tell us which corporate welfare-crowning, $27 trillion national debt-borrowing, Medicare-expanding, war-provoking, trade-war-provoking, protectionist, pro-crime, pro-Playboy pornographer President, pro-hooker Stormy Daniels, pro-pussy-grabbing,, pro-porn star First Lady, pro-Russian influence peddling, pro-treason Republican in the Congress or White House that cares about conservatism, r327!

by Anonymousreply 34404/29/2020

You're not fooling anyone with your right-wing propaganda spam peppered with "eyerolls" and "hopefully Biden will win anyways," r329, r335, etc.


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Trump Refuses To Believe Polls Showing Him Losing To Biden: ‘Made Up Nonsense’

By Cristina Cabrera

April 30, 2020 7:49 a.m.

President Donald Trump won’t accept the fact that Democratic candidate and former Vice President Joe Biden is beating him in the polls.

“I don’t believe the polls,” Trump said during an interview with Reuters on Wednesday. “I believe the people of this country are smart. And I don’t think that they will put a man in who’s incompetent.”

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by Anonymousreply 34604/30/2020

It's because, on Fox News, he's getting 95% of the vote. It's all he knows.

by Anonymousreply 34704/30/2020

[quote]“I don’t believe the polls,” Trump said during an interview with Reuters on Wednesday. “I believe the people of this country are smart. And I don’t think that they will put a man in who’s incompetent.”

Why not? We elected you, you demented hyena.

by Anonymousreply 34804/30/2020

Someone Projected ‘Trump Is Killing Us’ Onto a Washington D.C. Building

A viral video posted on Twitter shows a series of messages projected onto a building in Washington D.C., calling Americans to organize against President Donald Trump.

“We are obligated to be outraged” reads the message on one side of the building.

The other side of the brick wall reads: “Trump is killing us … time to organize … change the system … never forgot.”

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by Anonymousreply 34904/30/2020

I know Joe is a thousand times smarter than Dump, and I think the Tara Reade situation will go away once people see she’s batty; my only worry (and don’t call me a concern troll, I’m asking what the strategy should be) is how low Republicans will go. I know we’re not doing the “when they go low, we go high” thing, but they’re willing to go VERY low. How do we counteract without losing our soul? My feeling is we go just as low, but keep Biden out of it. Take every bit of dirt we have and sling it, but use everyone but Joe to sling it.

by Anonymousreply 35004/30/2020

[quote]There was an online article quoting a WH source saying that Trump is going to go ' scorched earth' on Joe Biden, because he doesn't have the economy to brag about anymore. Who knows what they have up their sleeves?

I would genuinely be curious but when does trump [italic]not[/italic] go scorched earth? He is so perpetually aggrieved it's all he knows how to do. Very good intimidation tactic though, have this strategy "leak".

by Anonymousreply 35104/30/2020

^I agree with you, R350. I think your question is a fair one. I believe that it has to be an offensive grass roots movement and they will have to be nastier than Trump and those conservative whatevers could be. They have to come out swinging and hitting like Mayor Bloomberg did when he was a presidential candidate.

by Anonymousreply 35204/30/2020

R341, let them. It's hilarious that their 'it's not a problem' attitude towards the Blump's assaults on women is coming back to bite them in the ass.

by Anonymousreply 35304/30/2020

Trump threatened to fire and sue the guy who gave him the bad polling news.

by Anonymousreply 35404/30/2020

[quote]Trump threatened to fire and sue the guy who gave him the bad polling news.

"Don't nobody bring me, NO BAD NEWS!"

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by Anonymousreply 35504/30/2020

Yeah, “scorched earth.” Big fucking deal. Most people in this country want the tRump nightmare over and done with yesterday. His sycophants yell and scream, but they are only about 35 percent of voters, and no matter how driven and fanatical as they may be, they will never be a majority. Cheatolini tried to dig up garbage in Ukraine against Biden, and that didn’t end well for him. They can attempt to peddle Tara Reade’s tall tale about sexual assault, but that is laughable when compared with the 25 credible charges against Donnie Two Scoops. There are news reports that the Repukes may try and tie Joe to China. 🙄 Sounds pretty desperate. And the connection to wrongdoing on Biden’s part is a more tenuous thread than Drumpf’s grasp on reality.

by Anonymousreply 35604/30/2020

[quote]Most people in this country want the tRump nightmare over and done with yesterday.

Not with most recent polling showing Trump trailing Biden by only 5-10 points. This is what makes me nervous. IMHO, Trump should be behind 20-30 points!

by Anonymousreply 35704/30/2020

[quote] IMHO, Trump should be behind 20-30 points!

IMHO, Trump should be dead.

by Anonymousreply 35804/30/2020

r343 Perhaps English is not YOUR strong suit, sweetie. One can not "win back" something that it has not lost.

by Anonymousreply 35904/30/2020

[quote] Most people in this country want the tRump nightmare over and done with yesterday.

[quote] Not with most recent polling showing Trump trailing Biden by only 5-10 points.

tRump’s disapproval numbers have been above 5O percent almost the entire time he has been in office. He has NEVER enjoyed the support of a majority of voters. There is a ten point difference between his approval/disapproval numbers. More people want him gone than want to keep him.

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And for those who insist that Biden should be winning by 20 to 30 points, please remember that we are in a situation where the Republican base lives in a completely different world, a world dominated by Fox News, by Redstate, by HotAir, by Breitbart, by OANN, a world where Trump has been totally vindicated in everything he has done, where he has been unjustly hounded by the media and the opposition party, where he's a hero trying to "drain the swamp" and "fight the Deep State," where he has kept all of his promises, where he has been wildly successful, more so than any other President, where he works harder than any other President.

The people in that world are not going to turn against Trump. They even believe that he has saved tens of thousands of lives, possibly even hundreds of thousands of lives, in his heroic actions against the coronavirus, and that he could do more if it weren't for those incompetent Democratic state governors who don't even know how to manage their own states, much less manage a situation like this.

I'm really not exaggerating or joking. I periodically visit that world and that is absolutely the narrative that is being pushed there. If that is the world you live in, and if you simply do not trust any other source and you remain firmly ensconced in your bubble, there is zero chance that you will turn against Trump, even given the lives lost and the state of the economy.

In the polarized world we live in today, both candidates are pretty much guaranteed approximately 45% of the popular vote and a little over 200 electoral votes. Most of the election maps I've seen show as few as half a dozen states that are genuinely up for grabs, representing a little over 100 electoral votes.

by Anonymousreply 36104/30/2020

I know a delusional Trump supporter... a retired marine with a master's degree, a very competent and hard-working individual in his youth but now very old and frail. He believes that the meat processing plant closedowns are a conspiracy...there are no sick or dead employees, it's just a plot to panic people into mass-buying meat at a marked up price. The meat companies are going to make a huge profit. Then he says 'our president will fix that, he'll take care of us.' Of course, he watches Fox, which has destroyed his rational thinking. The sad thing is he won't listen to his family who he trusts to take care of him, he just shouts them down and gets verbally abusive. Nothing will change his mind.

by Anonymousreply 36204/30/2020

^That's amazing. Simply amazing....

It's very clear to me that the conservative whatevers have effectively brainwashed at least 40% of the American population.

by Anonymousreply 36304/30/2020

[quote]Nothing will change his mind.

Carefully dosed castor beans can have a salient effect.

by Anonymousreply 36404/30/2020

More Chris Hayes fall out

I told y'all! We ain't goin' for this shit!

#FireChrisHayes trends after MSNBC host covers Biden sexual assault allegations

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HA! Making sure Trump will see it!

Joe Biden to address Tara Reade allegations in Morning Joe interview

Former veep Joe Biden will break his silence over allegations he sexually assaulted former Senate staffer Tara Reade in a TV interview on Friday morning.

The presumptive Democratic presidential nominee will respond to the charge for the first time in an interview on MSNBC’s ‘Morning Joe,’ the program’s booking producer confirmed in a tweet Thursday.

Biden, 77, has faced mounting pressure to address the allegation after a former neighbor of Reade came forward this week to say the former Senate staffer told her about the attack in the mid-1990s.

His campaign has vehemently denied the allegations and coached top Democratic donors to deny Reade’s claims and claim the incident “did not happen,” according to a report published Thursday.

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[quote]Biden, 77, has faced mounting pressure to address the allegation after a former neighbor of Reade came forward this week to say the former Senate staffer told her about the attack in the mid-1990s.

It wasn't even the woman herself who did this? WTF? Is there a dog walker somewhere with some more info?

by Anonymousreply 36704/30/2020

They get more nervous by the hour.

by Anonymousreply 36805/01/2020

Sinking ship!

by Anonymousreply 36905/01/2020

Close race in new GEORGIA poll:

Trump - 45.1%

Biden - 44.0%

Poll conducted by Cygnal (April 25 -27, 2020)

Rated as a high-quality pollster by Harry Enten & Nate Cohn

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by Anonymousreply 37005/01/2020

But, do polls really matter at this point, PollTroll?

by Anonymousreply 37105/01/2020

R371, they can't predict the outcome of an election that is 6 month away, but they can tell us that Biden is starting out in a strong position.

As Harry Enten said, Biden is in the strongest position for a challenger since FDR vs Hoover in 1932.

That can change over the next few months, but it gives us an insight into the state of the race for now.

by Anonymousreply 37205/01/2020

Internal GOP poll points to troubling signs for Georgia Republicans

An internal poll conducted for the Georgia House GOP Caucus points to troubling signs for Republican leaders: President Donald Trump is deadlocked with Joe Biden and voters aren’t giving the White House, Gov. Brian Kemp or the Legislature high marks for the coronavirus response.

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[quote] and voters aren’t giving the White House, Gov. Brian Kemp or the Legislature high marks for the coronavirus response.

Let’s see how they feel if there are multiple waves, especially since Kemp was one of the chief proponents of opening everything up.

by Anonymousreply 37405/01/2020

What's strange is that his approval is in the mid 40s, a tick stronger than where it has been, yet he is consistently losing almost every swing state poll. That suggests that there are some who approve but won't vote for him (fatigue?), that he's running up the score in states he already has locked down, or that his numbers are getting stronger in solid blue states.

by Anonymousreply 37505/02/2020

What's strange is that his approval is in the mid 40s, a tick stronger than where it has been, yet he is consistently losing almost every swing state poll. That suggests that there are some who approve but won't vote for him (fatigue?), that he's running up the score in states he already has locked down, or that his numbers are getting stronger in solid blue states.

by Anonymousreply 37605/02/2020

[QUOTE] An internal poll conducted for the Georgia House GOP Caucus points to troubling signs for Republican leaders.

Wait till there is a massive uptick in corona in the state in two to three weeks...

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by Anonymousreply 37805/02/2020

Harry Enten:

A year ago I wrote that Republicans were favored to hold the Senate. Based on my modeling of past years, the Senate now slightly tilts towards the Democrats. A fairly major reversal.

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by Anonymousreply 37905/02/2020

The Senate is just as important as getting rid of Dump. We can not afford to have Moscow Mitch block any more judicial appointments.

by Anonymousreply 38005/02/2020

R380, agree. But if Biden is competitive in Georgia (there’s a post about it either above or on a similar election thread), then it is very likely that the Dems will be successful in wresting away five Repuke seats. They look to be good shape in Maine, Arizona, Colorado, North Carolina, and possibly in Iowa. And, we can always hope that Kentucky will boot #MoscowMitch and South Carolina will show La Senatrice the door.

by Anonymousreply 38105/02/2020

R381, there is also a close race in Montana between Governor Steve Bullock (D) and Sen. Steve Daines (R).

by Anonymousreply 38205/02/2020

Flush The Turd November Third!

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by Anonymousreply 38305/02/2020

There’s a lot about Wisconsin that didn’t get covered with everything else going on. But it’s important.

I think it will make a good sunday thread.

by Anonymousreply 38405/02/2020

is it too late to dump biden and go with Elizabeth Warren?

by Anonymousreply 38505/02/2020

[quote] is it too late to dump biden and go with Elizabeth Warren?

You mean the candidate who didn’t win any primary and came in third in her home state? That Elizabeth Warren?

Yes. It is too late. Let’s move on.

by Anonymousreply 38605/02/2020


by Anonymousreply 38705/03/2020

New poll for *Montana* shows Gov. Steve Bullock (D) leading Sen. Steve Daines (R) by 7 points in the Senate race.

The poll also has Trump only 5 points ahead of Biden in Montana.

But as Harry Enten & Nate Cohn said today, we need to be cautious and wait for more Montana polls before drawing any conclusions.

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by Anonymousreply 38805/05/2020

Well, Wisconsin voters sent home one of the state Supreme Court justices that voted for in person voting. After all of Scott Walker's abuses and then the legislature dramatically cutting back the governor's powers before the Republican left office, people are going to be pissed.

by Anonymousreply 38905/05/2020
by Anonymousreply 39005/06/2020

Could The 2020 Senate Majority Be In Play? | Morning Joe | MSNBC

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by Anonymousreply 39105/06/2020

We still need to work like we're behind!

Don't listen to the polls. Give those Nazi rethugs a beating they'll never forget!

Kick them out of every level of government. Kick them HARD.

by Anonymousreply 39205/06/2020

[quote]Don't listen to the polls.

I agree. I don't understand these polls. I don't know who is paying for them and I believe that they can be manipulated. They're worthless as far as I'm concerned. I mean, c'mon... let's use common sense here; There are 30MM people on unemployment and the country has been locked down for nearly 2 months. People are dying left and right, etc. But, Biden is leading Trump by only 5 points?

It doesn't make any sense.

by Anonymousreply 39305/06/2020

See r361, r393. In the world they inhabit, none of that is Trump's fault and he's fighting for them against those crazy libs.

by Anonymousreply 39405/06/2020

Oh, looky here...

Megyn Kelly@megynkelly·1h

MK EXCLUSIVE: Will Tara Reade go under oath or take a polygraph?

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by Anonymousreply 39505/07/2020

She needs to offer to suck trump's dick and get it over with.

by Anonymousreply 39605/07/2020

R395, no surprise her Twitter is a shit-fest of right-wing bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 39705/12/2020

This is encouraging

On the campaign trail, vulnerable Senate Republicans tout accomplishments, sidestep Trump mentions in ads

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[quote] sidestep Trump mentions in ads

😂😂😂😂 Oh, don’t worry. The Dems will tie these candidates to Cheatolini like an anchor around their necks.

Sink or swim!!!

by Anonymousreply 39905/13/2020

Bummer. Two Republican candidates Dump heavily endorsed won the special election. What was CA25 thinking?

by Anonymousreply 40005/13/2020

R400, a preview of the cheating soon to come nationally.

by Anonymousreply 40105/13/2020

R400, who was the second one? The only one I saw was CA25, and actually, that isn’t over yet as California is still counting votes (although the Republican is predicted to win).

by Anonymousreply 40205/14/2020

The second is Tom Tiffany from Wisconsin.

by Anonymousreply 40305/14/2020

r402 It is most definitely over. The Democrat conceded yesterday.

by Anonymousreply 40405/14/2020

From what I read CA25 has been a traditional Republican district. I guess it's not a huge surprise that once in a while a random seat or two will flip. Or the GOP cheated.

by Anonymousreply 40505/15/2020

Glug glug, you miserable GOP fucks.

by Anonymousreply 40605/15/2020

Well done, R383! Everybody needs to watch the re-imagined clip from 'Poltergeist.'

by Anonymousreply 40705/15/2020

The Dems ran a bad candidate in CA25.

by Anonymousreply 40805/15/2020

Katie Hill should have stayed put. Fucking Repug smear job. Why do the Dems keep caving to this shit?

by Anonymousreply 40905/15/2020

^While scumbags like Gym Jordan, Devin Nunes or Richard Burr would never even consider stepping down.

by Anonymousreply 41005/16/2020

This is the first of two addresses today.

They're going to be REALLY pissed off...

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Your video is gone, R411.

by Anonymousreply 41205/16/2020

I told you that they were going to be pissed

by Anonymousreply 41305/16/2020

Not good enough!

Swing-state Republicans warn Trump's reelection is on shaky ground

Attacking Joe Biden will only get the president so far, they said — ultimately the election will be a referendum on him.


05/18/2020 04:30 AM EDT

Donald Trump has made clear he will attack Joe Biden unmercifully in order to ensure the election is a choice between him and Joe Biden — rather than an up-or-down vote on the president’s handling of the coronavirus.

Scott Walker has a different view, at least when it comes to Trump's chances in the all-important battleground of Wisconsin.

“I think it still boils down to a referendum on the president. They’ll beat up on Biden and they’ll raise some concerns,” said the former two-term Republican governor of Wisconsin, who lost his seat in 2018. But in the end, if people felt good about their health and the state of the economy, Trump will probably carry Wisconsin. If not, Walker said, “it’s much more difficult” for the president.

Walker is not alone among swing-state Republicans in his assessment of the president’s political prospects. Interviews with nearly a dozen former governors, members of Congress, and other current and former party leaders revealed widespread apprehension about Trump’s standing six months out from the election.

Many fret that Trump’s hopes are now hitched to the pandemic; others point to demographic changes in once-reliably red states and to the challenge of running against a hard-to-define Democratic opponent who appeals to a wide swath of voters. The concerns give voice to an assortment of recent battleground state polling showing Trump struggling against Biden.

There are certain to be plenty of momentum shifts before the election, especially in such a volatile political environment. Trump enjoys a vast resource advantage and his campaign has only begun going after Biden with sustained advertising — an effort that isn't yet fully reflected in public polls, his advisers said. This past week, the campaign circulated a memo to supporters saying that Trump had closed a once-substantial national gap.

And throughout 2016, many Republicans thought he wouldn't win.

But that hasn’t quelled GOP fears, even in some traditionally friendly states.

Georgia hasn’t gone for a Democratic presidential nominee since 1992. But last week, Republicans released two internal surveys showing a neck-and-neck race, one of which had Biden narrowly ahead.

“Georgia is absolutely at risk for Republicans in 2020 — up and down the ballot, everything is in play. The data from previous elections shows this. It didn’t happen overnight — Democrats have been making gains for years in Georgia,” said Republican State Leadership Committee President Austin Chambers, who has deep experience in Georgia politics and recently released a memo warning the party to take the state seriously.

Chambers said he's confident Trump will ultimately prevail. But concern within the state GOP has been growing, particularly because of the the state's changing demographics and fast-growing Atlanta suburbs, which turned sharply against Republicans in 2018. Former GOP Sen. Saxby Chambliss noted that white suburban women have long been a “major key to Republican victories” in Georgia but broke from the party in 2018.

“Trump will need a significant turnout from them and he needs their vote,” Chambliss said.

It's a similar story in Arizona. Public polling over the course of the spring has consistently shown Biden ahead, and a recent private GOP survey had the former vice president with a small lead. Though Democrats haven’t won Arizona in a presidential election since Bill Clinton in 1996, the party flipped four statewide offices in 2018.

“It’s already baked-in that it will be a close election in Arizona from top to bottom,” said Kirk Adams, a former state House speaker and ex-chief of staff to Republican Gov. Doug Ducey. If anyone is just now starting to feel "concern because of the president’s current standing, it means they haven’t been paying attention.”

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[quote]Nervous Republicans See Trump Sinking

I have difficulty imagining him floating.

by Anonymousreply 41505/18/2020

Most of the GOP’s attention is focused on a trifecta of Rust Belt states that catapulted Trump to the presidency, but where he now trails.

Republicans, including Trump’s own advisers, are most concerned about Michigan. A Fox News survey taken last month showed Biden leading by 8 percentage points; two recent internal Republican surveys similarly had Trump trailing, but by smaller margins.

Democrats are unlikely to repeat their mistake of 2016, when they failed to turn out voters in liberal Wayne County, an area that encompasses the heavily black Detroit metro area. In one sign of Trump's vulnerability in the state, Republican Senate candidate John James made clear during an online video conference with black community leaders last month that he disagreed with Trump on an array of issues.

“Polling information is very concerning, just as it was in 2016” when Trump ultimately won Michigan, said Jase Bolger, a former state House speaker. But, he added, “2020 is anything but normal. So, yeah, I don’t like what I see in polling now. But, polling now won’t decide the election in the fall.”

Recent surveys have also shown Trump behind in Pennsylvania, where Republicans suffered across-the-board losses in 2018. State House Speaker Mike Turzai, however, argued the president’s populist approach would play well in industrial and manufacturing-heavy parts of the state and that voters would respond well to a message of economic recovery.

He thinks Trump can reverse the suburban losses Republicans suffered in the 2018 midterms, but urged the president to stick to an uplifting pitch.

“The president has to stay positive” in his economic message, Turzai said. “I think if he does that he can be quite successful, and I think he’ll win Pennsylvania.”

Others see reason for worry. Former Pennsylvania Rep. Phil English said the state’s Democratic governor would face backlash for his management of the coronavirus but that voters would likely focus any frustrations toward national Republicans in power.

“I think there is too much blame-mongering going on, but that is predictable and I think that is going to complicate the political landscape for Republicans in Pennsylvania because they’re the party with the White House, so all negatives are going to first be set at their direction,” said English.

Trump was the first GOP candidate to win Wisconsin since 1984. He prevailed by less than 1 percentage point, making it perhaps the most competitive of the Rust Belt states. The president has taken a keen interest in Wisconsin and campaigned aggressively for the GOP candidate in last week’s special election for a Republican-leaning congressional seat.

Tommy Thompson, who was Wisconsin’s longest-serving governor, said Trump would need to visit the state frequently. He urged Trump to focus on winning over female voters whom he's long struggled with, and to winning back the slice of senior voters who've soured on him during the pandemic.

“Trump has got to come into Wisconsin and spend some quality time here, and more than once,” said Thompson.

Trump campaign officials say their battleground polling has seen an uptick since the president scaled back his rambling daily briefings. They point to a recent CNN survey of 15 key states showing the president with an advantage. Trump was briefed last week on what advisers described as improving numbers.

by Anonymousreply 41605/18/2020

The reelection campaign is engaging in a massive effort to take down Biden. It recently launched a TV and digital offensive centered largely around the former vice president’s dealings with China, where the virus originated. Trump's political operation has also been making calls to battleground voters making the case that Biden is soft on the authoritarian country.

Trump is also stepping up his public appearances, with trips to Arizona and Pennsylvania the past few weeks.

“In our own data, President Trump is in solid shape in all our key states. We have only just begun to define Joe Biden using his own record, particularly on his softness on China, and it’s working,” said Trump 2020 spokesman Tim Murtaugh. “There is tremendous enthusiasm behind the president and he has built an unstoppable juggernaut of a campaign.”

Former North Carolina Gov. Pat McCrory said he was confident Trump would win the state, which he carried by less than 4 percentage points in 2016. But with multiple competitive statewide races on the ballot, the former governor was less certain that Trump is popular enough to pull other Republicans to victory.

“The concern is: Will he have coattails for the other offices, from Senate to governor and other important races?” said McCrory.

Though Florida has drifted toward Republicans in recent statewide elections — Trump carried it in 2016, and the party won races for governor and Senate in 2018 — recent surveys have shown the president trailing in his newly adopted home state.

Former Florida Sen. George LeMieux said it was smart for Trump to start defining Biden and not give him a pass. But, like Walker, he argued the election would end up being a referendum on Trump, particularly how voters perceive his response to the pandemic.

Florida voters are “going to evaluate him over the four years,” he said, “and 2020 will be the most important year.”

by Anonymousreply 41705/18/2020

[quote]I have difficulty imagining him floating.

Fat floats.

by Anonymousreply 41805/18/2020

Hate sinks.

by Anonymousreply 41905/18/2020

All the rethugs float down here.

by Anonymousreply 42005/18/2020

Republican Senate Fund is having to invest $10 million in Montana to stop the expanding Democratic threat:

May 18, 2020

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Use Regan's white trash mantra " Are you better off now than you were 4 years ago" against them

by Anonymousreply 42205/18/2020

r419 And shit floats.

by Anonymousreply 42305/18/2020

Just listen to this bitch here!

6:39 MIN

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by Anonymousreply 42405/18/2020

What are all those fake preachers going to do when they realize that daddy is going bye-bye and the congregation kicks them all out of the clergy?

The don’t have to pay taxes on a lot of their scams and it’s not fair to the local poor communities who get cut out of the tax revenue.

by Anonymousreply 42505/18/2020

@ R422 - Truer words were never spoken. Only billionaires and corporations can say “yes”. The remainder; absolutely NO.

We need to crush dumps orange lady balls in November. Vote BLUE until you’re blue in the face!

by Anonymousreply 42605/18/2020

This is why Tr7mp wants social distancing OVER. So he can spend hours & hours watching cable tv in Air Force one & give it rallies in swing states. He’s going to hit those swing states again and again from now until November holding rallies

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by Anonymousreply 42805/18/2020

R320 you post an important article.

There are a few significant vulnerable Republican senators seeking re-election in 2020. These are the vulnerable at-risk seated GOP senators whose Democratic opponents we must elevate and support.

I'd suggest we drop the names of some of the Democratic challengers and throw them a few bucks now and then.

Here are some challengers whose names you might raise (or whose campaigns you might want to donate ten dollars to):

Democratic Maine Assembly Speaker Sara Gideon running against Maine Senator Susan Collins Arizona Democratic Astronaut Challenger Mark Kelly running against Arizona Senator Martha McSally Colorado former-governor John Hickenlooper running against Colorado Senator Corey Gardner South Carolina DNC Chair Jaime Harrison running against Beverley Leslie look-a-like South Carolina Senator Lindsay Graham

by Anonymousreply 42905/19/2020


Kelly: (D) 51%

McSally: (R) 38%

Undecided: 10%

[OH Predictive Insights, May 9-11; 600 Likely Voters]

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by Anonymousreply 43005/19/2020

Arizona didn’t want McSally the last time around. Considering her less-than-stellar performance since she was appointed, it’s not surprising that Arizona still doesn’t want her.

by Anonymousreply 43105/19/2020

They already told this lady “no thanks!”

by Anonymousreply 43205/19/2020

They already told this lady “no thanks!”

by Anonymousreply 43305/19/2020

They told her twice!

by Anonymousreply 43405/20/2020

The Kentucky Senate race between Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and his likely Democratic opponent Amy McGrath is shaping up to be one of the tightest, most contentious and expensive contests of the 2020 election cycle.

"Amy McGrath attacks Mitch McConnell for leading passage of the biggest economic rescue in American history. But while McGrath attacks, Mitch is working across the aisle to get hundreds of millions in federal dollars for Kentucky's hospitals," a narrator said in the video. "McGrath attacks. Mitch McConnell leads."

McGrath fired back with an ad of her own, in which she called out McConnell's controversial comment on favoring state bankruptcy amid the pandemic. The top Senate Republican has been under fire from governors on both sides of the aisle after he floated the idea of states declaring bankruptcy rather than passing another half-trillion-dollar coronavirus bill.

"Special interests win, we lose," the narrator said in the 30-second ad.

by Anonymousreply 43505/20/2020

R430, R431, and R432, you effectively convinced me. You made your point. I just sent ten bucks to Mark Kelly's senatorial election campaign (and I don't live in Arizona)

by Anonymousreply 43605/20/2020

The race in S.Carolina is not competitive. Those people can never vote blue.

by Anonymousreply 43705/20/2020

^ R429

by Anonymousreply 43805/20/2020

All the rethugs seem to be dumping Plump at the same time.

by Anonymousreply 43905/20/2020

Can't wait to grab this illegitimate president by the pussy!

by Anonymousreply 44005/20/2020

[quote]The race in S.Carolina is not competitive. Those people can never vote blue.

Well, they've been voting pink for years!

by Anonymousreply 44105/20/2020

Trump advisers warn McSally is in trouble


Worries about an Arizona Senate seat surface at the White House as polls show Trump losing to Joe Biden in the state, too.

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by Anonymousreply 442Last Thursday at 2:28 PM

Meh... no big deal PollTroll. What would make me orgasmic if I read that Mitch McConnell is in serious trouble concerning re-election in KY.

But, I'm still one of your BIGGEST fans, PollTroll!!!

by Anonymousreply 443Last Thursday at 2:32 PM

Poll Troll, this is the first time I have noticed you posting in 2020. I have missed you!

by Anonymousreply 444Last Thursday at 2:39 PM

Hi, R444. I've actually been posting here every day for the past several weeks. : )

Hi R443, it would be big if McConnell were to lose, sure, but Arizona is a more important & interesting race because it could be a test for what happens nationally. If McSally & Trump lose in Arizona, it could mean Biden wins the Presidency.

by Anonymousreply 445Last Thursday at 3:03 PM


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by Anonymousreply 446Last Thursday at 3:34 PM

Sarah Longwell:

I did a focus group of disaffected Trump voters in AZ last week. Some were done with Trump, others on the fence. But, man, did they dislike McSally. It’s not just Trump dragging her down. Seems like she’s alienated voters in her own right.

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by Anonymousreply 447Last Thursday at 11:34 PM

R447, she's not a blond bimbo, so she's not to the taste of fat, ugly, sexist, racist Repug men and the only voters left in the Repug party are fat, ugly, sexist, racist men.

by Anonymousreply 448Last Friday at 12:27 AM

Isn't she worse than a blonde bimbo though? I think she called a reporter a liberal hack a few months ago. So she successfully called the fake news media out and made national headlines with her right wing stupidity and the fat, ugly, sexist, racist Repug men still don't love her. Too bad.

Looks like the Dems could flip this seat in November, but will it be enough? Do you know if we have any other candidates, PollTroll? Collins in Maine maybe.

by Anonymousreply 449Last Friday at 2:39 AM

R449, yes, there are several Senate pickup opportunities for Dems this year.

The most likely Senate pickup still remains Colorado, where former Governor Hickenlooper (D) is leading Sen. Gardner (R). And Montana is another possibility where Governor Bullock (D) currently leads Sen. Daines (R). There is also a close race in North Carolina between Cunningham (D) and Sen. Tillis (R).

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by Anonymousreply 451Last Friday at 3:04 AM

Dems need to pick up 4 seats and retain existing seats to gain the majority I hope this happens.

by Anonymousreply 452Last Friday at 3:10 AM

Let's hope Russian is too distracted by mass deaths to interfere this time. Otherwise, expect us to pick up 3 seats and for the Repugs to magically retain the Senate control even though it goes against every single poll in the entire fucking world.

by Anonymousreply 453Last Friday at 3:44 AM

While you're hoping, I'm donating & volunteering.

Lots of chit chat. Lots of snark. But please don't forget to mention the names of these democratic challengers names outside of Datalounge. Raise these candidates' visibility and name recognition.

And please consider donating time or money to any of the aforementioned democratic challengers' senatorial campaigns. Every five dollars helps them.

Because of some of the posts on these threads I have been inspired to donate to Democratic challengers Mark Kelly in Arizona, Sara Gideon in Maine, Hickenlooper in Colorado and Amy McGrath in Kentucky.

by Anonymousreply 454Last Friday at 3:46 AM

[quote]While you're hoping, I'm donating & volunteering.

Well, slow clap for you. You are so special. Everyone, bow down.

If Russia cheats, you can do whatever you want and it's not going to matter but keep fellating yourself in public. It's a really good look.

by Anonymousreply 455Last Friday at 3:53 AM

[quote]keep fellating yourself in public

Pics please.

by Anonymousreply 456Last Friday at 3:57 AM

Okay, you're right. Let's keep hoping.

by Anonymousreply 457Last Friday at 3:58 AM

Lindsey has lost all respect since Trump was elected. Is it true he's drinking? If so, that's a pity.

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by Anonymousreply 458Last Friday at 4:48 AM

We'll see how many Trump voters are alive in November. At this rate the prospects aren't good for them.

by Anonymousreply 459Last Friday at 5:13 AM

[quote]Lindsey has lost all respect since Trump was elected. Is it true he's drinking? If so, that's a pity.

Yes. But, they're going to be pains in the asses. Where are the Biden PACS to combat this nonsense?

GOP undeterred by criticism over Biden probes and plans aggressive election-year push

By Manu Raju and Jeremy Herb, CNN

Updated 6:02 AM ET, Fri May 22, 2020

(CNN)President Donald Trump's loyalists in the administration and on Capitol Hill have opened up an all-out assault against the Obama administration and former Vice President Joe Biden, using committee investigations and declassified documents to try to paint the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee in an unflattering light.

Senate Republicans are using their majority to issue subpoenas in multiple committees on probes related to the Obama administration and Biden -- and plan to issue reports in the months leading up to the election. And they're swiftly receiving declassified documents from outgoing acting Director of National Intelligence Richard Grenell that are both fueling the probes and providing fodder for Trump and his campaign team to attack Biden.

The Republicans leading the investigations say they're about accountability and oversight, not politics. But the investigations are being openly cheered on by Trump, who told Republicans they need to get "tough" on issues like "unmasking," one of the areas where Grenell has provided newly declassified documents. The probes have also been endorsed by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, a Kentucky Republican, as he fights to keep the Senate majority in GOP hands in the 2020 election where the fate of Senate Republicans will be closely tied to Trump's.

Still, the pursuit of investigations heading into the election season comes with risks for Republicans of looking overtly political at a time when the public is reeling from the coronavirus pandemic. Some top Senate Republicans say they can't allow their focus to shift away from the pandemic response.

"I think they'll go where the investigation leads and follow it. My view right now is to stay focused on the agenda we have, and I'm talking about how we're going to help the people get through this pandemic and get the economy back on track," said Sen. John Thune of South Dakota, the Senate's No. 2 Republican. "Other things are going to be happening at the same time, but I would hope that as we head into the next few months and the election starts coming into clearer view, that we talk about how we're going to respond to the very real concerns of the American people."

So far, there's little dissent within the Senate GOP Conference about the pursuit of investigations against Trump's opponent -- even as many Republicans denounced House Democrats for mounting what they said were overtly political investigations and impeachment proceedings aimed at hurting the President's reelection chances.

"It's not to say I agree with every investigation, but I think we can certainly do both," said Sen. Susan Collins, a Maine Republican up for reelection this fall, referring to acting on a pandemic response as well.

Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Chairman Ron Johnson held a vote Wednesday for a subpoena in his probe into the Ukrainian energy firm that hired Biden's son, Hunter Biden. Senate Judiciary Chairman Lindsey Graham has scheduled a vote for a wide-ranging subpoena authorization as part of his investigation into the FBI's Russia investigation, which could see him hauling in senior Obama administration officials in the coming months.

by Anonymousreply 460Last Friday at 5:24 AM

And Johnson, Graham and GOP Sen. Chuck Grassley of Iowa have all requested Grenell and Attorney General William Barr declassify documents from the Obama administration related to the FBI's Russia probe and its prosecution of Trump's first national security adviser, Michael Flynn. On Thursday, Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, the acting chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, didn't rule out getting involved in looking into the matters either "to the extent they involve oversight over intelligence activities."

GOP could pursue Hunter Biden

Sen. Rand Paul, a Republican member of Johnson's committee, suggested the GOP might have to call Hunter Biden into testify -- or at least produce records.

"I do think that there should be repercussions: What exactly they are depends on where the facts are," Paul said. "I do think it's wrong for people to abuse their office to get business for their kids. ... It doesn't look good."

Trump and his allies have repeatedly made unfounded and false claims alleging that Biden and his son acted corruptly in Ukraine. Biden campaign spokesman Andrew Bates accused Johnson of "running a political errand" with the subpoena related to Burisma, the Ukrainian energy company that hired Hunter Biden.

Utah Sen. Mitt Romney backed Johnson's subpoena, but said, "I do" when CNN asked if he thinks the panel's probe appears political.

Asked if he would object if the committee began to target Hunter Biden more directly, Romney said Thursday: "That will be determined in the light of the particular circumstances that will be presented."

Democrats have denounced the investigations as a blatant attempt to boost Trump's reelection campaign. "The conspiracy caucus is back with a vengeance," Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer said Thursday.

Asked if the probe might hurt Biden politically, Michigan Sen. Gary Peters of Michigan, the ranking Democrat on the Homeland Security Committee, said: "There's nothing there. They're just trying to say they have an investigation without actually having any substance on it that I can see."

The chairmen leading the investigations say they are conducting legitimate oversight. They argue their probes aren't about trying to damage Biden but rather about holding accountable the officials who went after Trump and his associates.

"I think Democrats could care less about the abuse of power, and I do. I supported the Mueller investigation because I thought it was important to have someone take a look. We are going to investigate the investigators," Graham, a South Carolina Republican, said Wednesday. Johnson said that it had been "way too long" for the public to view the documents he was seeking, and he dismissed Democratic attacks on his probe.

"The Democrats are objecting and I think maybe they're protesting too much -- it actually raises my suspicion level, what is to be found out in these documents," Johnson said Wednesday.

Sen. James Lankford, another member of Johnson's panel, said the next focus will be on the actions by the State Department under Obama to "give special favors and access."

Asked about the appearance that the probe is political, the Oklahoma Republican said: "Everything in this place is political. There are a series of questions there aren't answers to at this point."

by Anonymousreply 461Last Friday at 5:26 AM

Administration has declassified Flynn documents

The senators' probes have been fueled by disclosures from the Trump administration after Barr directed a review of the Flynn case, which prompted the Justice Department to move to drop the charges that Flynn previously pleaded guilty to. The administration has declassified numerous documents relating to the Flynn case in recent weeks, including a list from Grenell of more than three-dozen Obama administration officials who made "unmasking" requests during the Trump transition and could have been provided foreign intelligence reports that identified Flynn.

The process of unmasking, in which certain US officials can request to see the hidden names of Americans in foreign intelligence reports, is part of routine intelligence gathering, and the number of unmasking requests has increased in the Trump administration. The National Security Agency said its standard procedures were followed, including a justification for the unmasking requests.

Trump and his campaign have used Biden's presence on the list of officials to attack the former vice president on the issue. "Americans have a right to know the depth of Biden's involvement in the setup of Gen. Flynn to further the Russia collusion hoax," Trump campaign manager Brad Parscale said in a statement shortly after the unmasking documents were made public.

The GOP senators have now asked for the names of officials who have made unmasking requests throughout 2016 that included Trump campaign officials, and Graham's subpoena would include information relating to the unmasking requests. Democrats have gotten in on the declassification effort, too, as the Senate Intelligence Committee's top Democrat, Mark Warner of Virginia, asked Grenell to make public the content of Flynn's call with the Russian ambassador in which Flynn later lied about discussing Russian sanctions.

Grenell's last day at the Office of the Director of National Intelligence is Tuesday, but the Republicans could have an ally to continue declassifying documents in incoming Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe, who was one of the leading Republicans questioning the FBI's Russia investigation.

Reports could be issued before the election

Both Johnson and Graham say they plan to issue reports laying out their findings in the summer and the fall -- before the election -- meaning they will inevitably be viewed through a campaign prism. Graham, who has spoken to Trump about his probe, said he expects his report to be issued in September or October.

"It's clearly designed to find out what happened to 'Crossfire Hurricane,'" Graham said, referring to the name of the FBI probe, pushing back against the accusations of launching a political investigation. At the Homeland Security Committee meeting to approve Johnson's subpoena Wednesday, Democrats vocally objected to authorizing the subpoena, arguing the committee was not doing enough to investigate the government's response to the coronavirus pandemic. But Senate Republicans say they can successfully tackle both issues.

"I don't think anyone is taking their eye off the ball," said GOP Sen. Shelley Moore Capito of West Virginia. "I don't think these investigations divert at all."

by Anonymousreply 462Last Friday at 5:29 AM

Susan Collins has a history of appearing to be headed for a loss, and just riding a wave across the finish line. I don’t know how she does it, but she does. Maybe Mainers tell pollsters one thing, then vote for Susan again anyway?

The Dems really need to get rid of her to take the Senate. We need AZ, CO, ME, and NC, to make up for a loss in AL, then hold all the others. It should be easier than this!

by Anonymousreply 463Last Friday at 8:21 AM

Well, R463, everyone in Alabama might be dead by November, so there's that.

by Anonymousreply 464Last Friday at 8:43 AM

R464, you made me laugh.

by Anonymousreply 465Last Friday at 9:15 AM

From CNN ( which we can't link). I believe this is his plan:

The President gave every impression Thursday of battling for his political life during a visit to Michigan, a state that crystallizes the themes of his bid for a second term and that could be decisive in his clash with Democrat Joe Biden. It was his most explicit display yet of his plans to beat treacherous pandemic politics and criticism of his leadership in pursuit of an even more logic-busting victory than in 2016. His day laid bare the strategy of once again become the voice of "forgotten Americans," who are now facing the worst economic blight in nearly a century. By refusing to wear a facemask on camera, Trump signaled to his core supporters that he stands with their demands to get the country back to normal, despite his public health officials' warnings about a possible return of coronavirus.

Trump told reporters that he wore a mask when he was away from the cameras, not wanting "to give the press the pleasure," and a photo of him wearing one circulated on social media after his visit. Trump primarily used the trip to present himself as the champion of an economic reawakening and of millions of Americans who lost jobs, portraying Democrats as adding to the desperation of shut-out workers. "A permanent lockdown is not a strategy for a healthy state or a healthy country. To protect the health of our people we must have a functioning economy," Trump said, implicitly discounting arguments of critics who say it's not yet safe to reopen. "Americans who want and need to return to work should not be vilified — they should be supported," Trump said, lashing out at journalists and politicians who can work from home. Trump also hit his central campaign themes, hyping his new trade deals, escalating his effort to use China as a scapegoat for not stopping a pandemic he himself long ignored and celebrating the border wall that is crucial to his bond with his supporters. And he took a new shot at Biden's mental capacity, branding the former vice president "a Democrat that doesn't even know where he is." And even before he left the White House, Trump delivered yet another carrot to his evangelical supporters, then followed up in Michigan. "What I want to do is get the churches open. The churches are not being treated with respect by a lot of the Democrat governors," the President claimed.

by Anonymousreply 466Last Friday at 9:20 AM

[quote]Paul said. "I do think it's wrong for people to abuse their office to get business for their kids. ... It doesn't look good."

How and the fuck can he say this with a straight face???

by Anonymousreply 467Last Friday at 12:39 PM

AMEN R467! GOP is synonymous with hypocrite. Of course most are too dumb to comprehend either "synonymous" or "hypocrite".

by Anonymousreply 468Last Friday at 4:19 PM
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