Apparently, there was a time when fucking underage teens was normal

Predation is predation, doesn’t matter what era it was.

Is OP the Woody Allen and Roman Polanski creep??

He has gay face for days.

He sure dug The Supremes a lot, apparently.

I’ve seen the entire show linked above at r4. At the encore, he performed with the Supremes and it is AWFUL. He sings in French while Diana sings in English. It’s cringe inducing.

Not that it has anything to do with his love of kiddy snatch.

Screwing kids under the age of consent was still illegal back then, but was tacitly allowed in some circles. The "Sexual Revolution" and the "Youthquake" and "Never trust anyone over 30" shit all played into this, some people regarded teenagers as functional adults back then. They were encouraged to participate in the political process by the sensible, I mean protesting and campaigning even if they couldn't vote, but the sad fact is that all this gave the predators an opening. And they took it, and convinced the fuzzy-minded that it was all okay, that their idiot kids who couldn't be trusted with a car could be trusted to have sexual relationships with adults.

Society came to its senses after a while, but the pervs and predators never have.

As a kid in the 70s, it really was “all sexual boundaries eliminated”. It was crazy - maybe necessary to force America to loosen up but it went way overboard. Unfortunately gay sex got caught up in that - and the backlash. A weird time to grow up - kids seem like Puritan now but probably healthier.

I think that the May 68 movement may have given an excuse some people to give in to their darker tendencies by saying "it is forbidden to forbid" and under the guise of allowing people to love whoever they want, some adults rationalised that they can prey upon children and adolescents.

How else can a Gabriel Matzneff talk about his attractions on a well-respected literary talk show without anybody batting an eyelid? Or a Cohn-Bendit recount his interactions with little girls in a kindergarten?

Whomever* they want

Uh huh. Ever heard of Serge?

That shit was weird. That was his own daughter.

I think in Gainsbourg's case, it was more for shock value. He didn't actually have sex with Charlotte_ at least, I hope not. Just like when he released his album, Rock around the Bunker, replete with Nazi reference, when he is Jewish and a holocaust survivor. Or when he sang la Marseillaise with a reggae instrumentation.

But then again, he also released the Ballad of Melody Nelson_ about the love between a young girl and an older man. It's beautiful but I can't listen to it because of the storyline.

What

The

Hell

Is

This?

Is this thread about French singers? Are posters French people?

[Quote] He even said on camera how he preferred girls until 17, since they begin to think by themselves after that.

I love that gif! Funny and accurate for this thread

OP, is English your first language?

It's awful that now my first thought is not someone who is multi-lingual, but of foreign trolls.

Apparently, OP is Rip Van Winkle. OR 22 years old. Because all of us who lived through the 60s and 70s are were well aware of the mores.

I was a kid. I knew it was happening. We knew it was happening. it was local and in the popular culture. Groupies, man. It was considered scandalous or wild but not criminal. Sheesh.

Though it was a crime, many people did not consider it criminal. Just repeating that for the twat OP. Does OP have a question?

Anything else to say? Thought not.

Gee, those wacky French! Freedom Fries!

Age of consent varies by country. Americans seem to think people are children until they magically become adults when they turn 18. The reality is that people mature at different ages, there is no magical age. Although from a biological standpoint, when a female has her first menstrual cycle, she is technically 'ready'. Of course, this is a complex issue as it really varies on the individual and we prefer to be on the 'safe' side.

Also the age of consent was much, much lower in times gone by, but I don't think even the oldest eldergay on here would have been around then.

In 1275, the first age of consent was set in England, at age 12. In 1875, the Offences Against the Person Act raised the age to 13 in Great Britain and Ireland, and ten years later the Criminal Law Amendment Act of 1885 raised it to 16.

In 1984 Bronski Beat issued their album The Age Of Consent, and the inner sleeve included a summary of various gay ages of consent around the world, the UK's was the highest (21) where gay sex was legal. Some were surprising, and certainly would have come with caveats, but in France then it was 15, in Hungary it was 10!

"Americans seem to think people are children until they magically become adults when they turn 18. The reality is that people mature at different ages, there is no magical age."

FINALLY!!!

Someone understands me!!!

It's a relatively recent thing for teens to be considered children. Basically up until the 1980s, kids even in their young teens would leave school, go traveling and hitchhiking, move away, get married, get jobs, even lose all contact with their families, which you hear a LOT when it comes to missing teen stories from the 1950s through the 1970s. I graduated high school in 1990 and we had three students who were already married and starting families, which seemed more old fashioned back then, rather than creepy.

Not saying that these musicians banging 13yo groupies weren't predators, but society didn't care all that much, though the situation with underage kids being taken advantage of got so bad that society flipped out and went too far the other way in the 1980s, leading to that whole crazy Satanic Panic era.

Nowadays we seem to go too far, acting like someone who bangs a 13yo girl past puberty is a pedo. They're a rapist, certainly, but not a pedo.

Not so much normal as not surprised by it, OP. In the Seventies, we kids had a lot more freedom. That freedom included being allowed to get away with, or even being enabled to do, things that were against the law for them to do. Such as drinking, smoking, and having sex, even with adults. High schools had smoking lounges for the students. Parents provided the booze for their teenaged kids' parties. And people who knew that a teenager was hooking up with an adult mostly shrugged.

At that time, many people - parents and other authority figures - didn't view teenagers as children. They saw them as being in the process of becoming adults. The rite of passage to adulthood in that era allowed teens to make free choices to engage in such activities, and as such, they weren't viewed as victims of anybody or anything, they were participants.

Young people had just won the fight to get the voting age lowered to 18. The argument: the draft age was 18 (and boys could enlist even younger than that). So, if teenagers were old enough to fight and die for their country, they were certainly old enough to perform other acts of adulthood, including voting, drinking (the drinking age was quickly lowered to 18), and having sex. It was still quite common for kids to get married right out of high school back then, too - and marriage, like drinking, driving, and having sex, is yet another rite of passage to adulthood.

When eighteen is considered adult, that makes teens from 13 or 14 to 17 seem more mature and closer to adulthood than we view them nowadays.

If you didn't live in the era with that mindset, you won't comprehend it. Your normal is what you grew up immersed in, so if you weren't born then, letting teens engage in adult activities seems terrible. But I was a teenager in the 70s and it was great. We had so much freedom, so many options, and you know what? Most of us indulged in illegal activities, be it smoking anything, or boozing, or having sex with other people, including adults, or various forms of delinquency - but it did us no permanent harm.

One last thing: you may feel morally superior to previous generations. You may be right. But you will also in time be condemned by successive generations for things you did, or believed. That's how it goes.

I mean...that was pretty normal for a VERY, VERY long time, OP.

Thinking back to the 80s, at our California high school, a 17 year old girl got knocked up by the late thirties wrestling coach.

The scandal was that a married teacher was fucking a student and would get fired. It had never occurred to us that he could have been arrested.

R19 "Americans seem to think..."

Bitch I was fucking around before I was teenager with others my age!

It's the adults who take advantage that are the problem. A full grown adult has no business with a teenager.

[quote] Apparently, there was a time when fucking underage teens was normal

clearly OP has never read the bible or the Koran.

"Apparently, there was a time when fucking underage teens was normal*

What do you mean, "was"?

It's actually most of human history, of course. I'm glad we've stopped doing this. Ages of Consent will always be kind of arbitrary, but I think 18 is a good one. But it does seem silly to constantly go back in history and be retrospectively shocked and traumatized and appalled that people were acting like they'd been acting for thousands of years.

Video in the page

Is this why someone like Catherine Deneuve, who was close friends with icky Serge and Polanski finds it all okay for middle-aged men to rape young girls? She was about 15 when she met Vadim, but her sister Francoise said when Deneuve moved in with him, it upset her mother so much "she lost years off her life". (paraphrase) Clearly, not everyone was ok with this life "choice" aka pedos. 60's.

I don't understand how she excuses this behavior in her own mind. She's French, mai oui, but it's mind-boggling that a woman who has a daughter herself is fine with this. It's rather weird. Correct me if I'm wrong but Deneuve doesn't seem much of a supporter to her own gender.

I brought her up because French and Serge and the 60s/70s led me thinking to, who else? Catherine!

We infantilize teenagers now, and increasingly, young adults as well (up to nearly 30).

Social and sexual mores have changed tremendously in just the last 20 years. They’ve changed tremendously in the last 5 years.

Every woman in my family was married and having children before the age of 20. Today, they’d all practically be considered victims of human trafficking.

You cannot judge what our ancestor's did a hundred years ago. Fucking SJWs. My great grandmother was born in April 1886. Her husband November 1881. They were married in January 1899 and had their first kid in September 1899. She also had an arranged marriage so had no choice about either getting knocked up or married. That means she was knocked up at 12 years old. When Susan Sarandon did that show Who do you think you are? she found out her grandma had her first kid at 12 years old. You know what? Who gives a fuck? That is how they did things back then. Probably 25% of fathers were fucking their daughters too, as a cherry on top. Who fucking cares. Means nothing.

Parents fucking their children means nothing?

r23 says: It did us no permanent harm.

Uh huh. Sure it didn't.

r3 months.

R34 Obviously. In many towns it was probably closer to 50% or more. That is the way they did it. So who fucking cares. That's life, bitches.

Hustler had a sex story in a 1979 issue about an adult man having sexual relationship with a 5 yr old girl. It was one of the 1st articles I ever read. I was 6 or 7 years old at the time.

[Quote] So who fucking cares. That's life, bitches

Oh well. When you put it like that...

He looks like Caitlyn Jenner.

[quote] Apparently, there was a time when fucking underage teens was normal

That's horrible. By then the girls are over the hill.

This one had a partner for 40 years. Both dead now. I learned he was 23 and his partner 16 when they met in 74. I don't know other boyfriends before him but apparently he was a very prude and decent guy who was so afraid of being loved by being a singer he finished any relationship when he was recognised.

R32, how old were they when they split up with their husbands?

Here is Claude Francois singing with Jodie Foster.

Claude Francois looked like an off duty drag queen.

Another French perv

[quote] from a biological standpoint, when a female has her first menstrual cycle, she is technically 'ready'.

Thanks to plastics in the water and hormones & antibiotics in the milk, many girls are getting their first blood at age 8 or 9 now. Is that a palatable thought?

Heterosexuality really is just ephebelic rape as practise, isn’t it.

R33 Once my erstwhile mentor and surrogate father-figure of sorts revealed to me that he’d fucked and knocked up the girl who would become his lifelong beloved wife when she was just 13 (and he 16), I couldn’t ever look at him in the same way again. We don’t have a relationship anymore, the trust is gone and I’m somewhat disgusted by him, even though that was fifty years ago (might as well be five hundred years, in our accelerating culture) and he & his wife are happy enough and he & I had a special platonic bond. There’s just something inherently evil about young girls - still children - marrying and giving birth and having sex with older men.

I remember years ago watching an American talk show (I've forgotten which one) in which a man in his late 20's was being interviewed and he stated that he liked having sex with young teenage girls. He said that his current girlfriend/sex partner was a 13 year old girl whose father just happened to be a Police Chief (who apparently didn't know). No one in the audience got too upset over it - I guess they were just entertained by it. Another day, another time.

R49 exactly. Social mores change all the time. I don't judge or care what they did over a hundred years ago. In Darwin's time he married his first cousin, and no one gave a shit.

R48 but if he was 16 what was so bad, if she was 13?

I have posted this before, so I apologize b4hand.

I was watching a documentary on JW Gacy. They interviewed the family of one of his 16-year-old victims. He was a farm boy who just took off from the farm one day. They didn't think anything of it because, hey he was 16 years old. So when he disappeared into the crawlspace, it wasn't noticed for over a year.

I grew up in the eighties, and we had lots of liberties as well. It was not uncommon for me to leave the house on Friday, tell the folks I was staying with somebody and not be back till Sunday night. Truth being, I was out getting into trouble. LOTS of trouble.