Harry and Markle Buy $12 Million Mansion in Malibu

Does this mean Mel is finally taking his crazy ass back to Australia?

Megxit didn’t just begin a few months ago. It began before these two grifters got married. The plot to leave was hatched from the time they first met.

If Me Gibson used to live there, does that mean it's the house that has its own Roman Catholic Church that only allows Latin?

Please, how can they afford that? Plus, I'm sure they are content to just live rent-free in some benefactor's mansion, than actually pay for anything themselves.

Without Harry, she could only have afforded a $2 million property in LA, max.

This has worked out very well for her.

Who gives a fuck about any of this bullshit. As long as US tax payers aren't paying for anything.

I don't give a Fuck.

I wonder if they'll find the bodies of dead hookers buried on the grounds. And wisps of Whoopie Goldberg's leg hairs in the shower drains.

That kitchen is ugly AF.

I just seems so alien that harry is living in California of all places. He is British, and so tied to that antiquated and out of touch monarchy in the UK. That it seems so weird that he's living her in America.

It just seems wrong.

What a dump!

R7 That was a very strange comment.

And uncalled for too. Please, seek help.

Love the Fontana Di Sugar Tits

The plan to buy this house must have taken months even before Vancouver. This was not done in the past month when the entire world is under quarantine.

Yeah, right. They were planning to support the queen and divide their time between the U.K. and “North America.” It was always Malibu. She grifted the BRF, the British taxpayers and the Canadian government to ghost everyone and get to Malibu. Harry, you’re next.

Whyever not watch the pandemic unfold in luxurious isolation? Maybe Harry will contribute a message of support to his homeland, just like his Grandmother and Father. His special words from abroad at this time are sure to be appreciated.

These are "make an offer, any offer please!" days in real estate. They likely did not pay $12M.

r11 We're talking about Mel Gibson here. I just hope he's moved all his Nazi memorabilia out before Harry decides to relive old times.

Any pics of the bathrooms where Harry will take a royal shite?

I wonder how much Charles had to kick in?

Are the photos before or after the renovations? Cause it's kind of ugly.

Hideous.

Tacky.

Played.

This time next year Harry will be a single man again!

We're ALL about charity! We just bought a 12 Million Dollar home!

We ask that you remember this when we come begging for donations to our charitable foundation racket!

I guess Lachlan Murdoch beat them to this one, which is way more their style. But probably they couldn't afford it.

its nive

How can they afford it?

I can see your pussy from behind!

R13 Totally planned for months. They made their announcement in January and the world has been on hold several weeks now. The truth is, they would have found this house last year. Then planned to hoodwink everyone by making out they were spending time in Canada when in reality Megan had got her way and was securing a Malibu home on British tax payer assistance!

She would have had all this planned even before the marriage, but believing she would secure herself a Royal title, then start behaving like Grace of Monaco in Malibu! Not to mention globally trademarking the title and planning to flog it off on any number of tacky items.

The last part of the plan is yet to come into action. When she gets rid of the annoying husband and establishes herself as American Royalty alone!

"WE WANT TO LIVE NORMAL LIVES!!!" …fucking idiots…

They don't have that kind of money. Not buying it

r25 Harry's rumoured at got about £20-30 million. And with everything going on they were probably able to negotiate on the asking price. It's still a massive chunk of his money when his future finances are very much in debate though though

Harry's daddy has that kind of money in spades. That's where it likely came from.

Brush fire territory. H&M sitting around that house googling themselves and waiting to be invited to things.

All I see is a video "Life after Megxit".

"No, Prince Harry and Meghan Markle Have Not Bought Mel Gibson’s $14.5 Million Malibu Home"

~R33

R25 "They" cannot afford anything, Harry can. Harry holds (I believe) something like £30 million from inheritances he got from his Mother and also The Queen Mother left him significant sums of money. However, he will burn through a significant chunk of this money with this house, plus having to manage and maintain it. Something that Harry has never had to financially do. Imagine, he's been living the jet set life, living in palaces, experiencing the best things and not had to pay for a penny as the son of a future Monarch.

He wanted out of the Royal Family and said he would be financially independent, but he had absolutely no idea how much the life he had cost. Megan alone spent something like £1.5 million in dresses within the first two years! As a Royal he had a Billionaires lifestyle, not a millionaires lifestyle.

It's been said that Charles will continue to fund them privately with the £2 million a year from the Dutchy, but that will only pay house running costs and staff. Similarly, the security is another issue. As the British Tax Payer is up in arms about being made to fund this pair. Again, Megan and Harry have said they will pay this, but it will likely be Charles pays and manages to secure more money from the tax payer for himself, which he diverts to them. This will be uncovered and stopped.

Megan will know to the penny how much Harry is sitting on. Harry will have never even needed to look at his banking and finance matters previously. As he just knew where the money was, and everything was paid for by someone else. But Megan will now hold all the logins to Harry's accounts and interests. She will know the exact sums Harry holds and when this money will run out. Once the sums near low levels, this will be when she starts to Ghost him, as she will need to move onto someone richer. California's Divorce laws will the come in very useful for her, when she keeps the house and everything in it.

STALKING: One of you Klan Grannies started a thread yesterday to get a datalounge user banned. This is what got your asses kicked off other sites. The stalking of users who don't agree with your collective racist group think. Even a minor wasn't out of bounds. You have been caught pack stalking on CDAN, LSA, DLISTED some Royal purse forum and now here. Fuck the day that people on Datalounge have to second guess what they post because a pack of middle-aged women might target them.

PS: The case being filed in regards to pack stalking by certain White and Asian women and men who were caught organizing the hunting of Black women on L*A is allegedly moving to the next stage . You repeatedly mention you post here so some of you might need to go back and check your comments. All posted on Anti Meghan threads. What a co-incidence.

‘Pack stalking’ - is that like gang stalking?

R36 have you ever been gang stalked? I learned about it from Reddit. Sounds quite frightening.

For some reason this thread is making me think about Maximilien Robespierre.

r39 To be fair most things rich people have done over the last month make me think the French peasantry may have been onto something.

If she eve does leave Harry, isn't she done? As in Robin Givens done? Nobody will want to watch her in a film or on TV (if any do now). It all seems ill conceived on her part, assuming it's a plan.

[quote]It's been said that Charles will continue to fund them privately with the £2 million a year from the Dutchy,

that only applies as long as he passes it on the left hand side.

I never want to hear another word criticizing Diana or Sarah, Duchess of York. Diana and Sarah had trouble in their marriages with many in the royal family undermining their every move. But despite it all, Diana and Sarah respected the queen, the monarchy and the British public. They did their jobs and remained committed to their duties and represent their charities for which they served as patrons.

This Markle grifter is a fraud who committed a heist against the royal family and British public. She is committed to nobody but herself. Plus Harry and Markke are liars and bullshiters who do nothing but talk about setting up some phony foundation scheme. Con artists, the two of them.

They can afford it or whatever they end up buying by paying a large deposit and taking out a mortgage, based on projected future earnings. Harry will struggle to live anywhere small and without every convenience.

R34, the "sources" in your article are even more vague and made-up sounding than those in OP's article.

Meghan won't leave him unless she lands a richer guy like Bezos.

Meghan should do an empowering layout for Playboy to show what a progressive, strong woman she is. Show those little tits and stitched-up cootch.

[quote] If she eve does leave Harry, isn't she done?

Not hardly. Just a couple years ago she was turning weekend tricks on yachts. Once she is done with Harry she will become an even more desirable trophy for an Onassis type.

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Quite, R40.

Straight men are weird and have no taste @R47

Why are we still talking about these losers.

Without the subsidies provided by the royal family, I'm not sure how they could afford and maintain such an expensive property.

His only real money is whatever he split with William from Diana's estate. It couldn't possibly be more the $30-40 million.

They live a lavish lifestyle, as well as having some expenses other rich folk don't have. Charles would have to be supporting them if he expects to make that money last for the next 50 years.

These two are getting more and more annoying.

Looks like Markle may have not finished her grifting scheme with Gibson just yet. She's still working on the details. to defraud him.

R52 The problem is Charles would be equally clueless about how much everything costs. He would give them £2 million a year thinking it would be a vast amount of money, but have no understanding of how much his own life costs. It would be the same as a regular parent offering their child $2K a year in support. It might help the child pay their utility bills or for food, but ultimately it would be nowhere near enough to pay for everything.

The higher level of the Royal Family are living Billionaire lifestyles. They have everything at their disposal, including huge staff, travel, opulent living etc. No member of the Royal Family has to put a monetary value on what their individual life costs on a daily level. But if you did, you'd be looking at a sum only a billionaire could afford.

I am sorry, but these two will not make the kind of money they believe they will. The big bucks would only have been forthcoming had Harry remained a member of the Royal Family, as highly wealthy people want access to this inner circle. We saw how that ended up with Prince Andrew! But once they leave 'The Firm' they have no clout or influence and are useless.

The mansion is beautiful. It’s just that those 2 dumb cunts don’t deserve it

This realtor was brilliant.. He got all this publicity for nothing. Good on him.

They just can't stop shooting themselves in the feet. They went from Nottingham Cottage to Frogmore Cottage (after extensive renovations), then let the staff at Frogmore go when they decided to decamp to Canada, as the 'guests' of some oligarch. They don't seemed to have learned a lesson from Sarah Ferguson and her grifting ways.

How can they afford a $12 million mansion? That's a lot of money for someone whose total assets come to a $40 mil trust fund whose principal can't be touched, and who isn't earning shit at the moment.

Did a bank actually give them a loan, are they expecting Charles to pay the mortgage, or did some social-climbing oligarch "loan" them the funds?

R59 Harry won't understand any of this. Megan will have told him he has enough to money to afford the house. Harry then just assumed money comes like water from a tap. He doesn't realise everything has to be paid for and all his trust fund will run out.

Speculation on the names of Megan's future BF or husbands? Would Bezos really be interested or are we talking foreign-born elites?

The garden and view to ocean are beautiful but the house is ugly both inside and outside. I wonder if Harry is already missing England and his position as a HRH. In LA everything will turn upside down. Harry has used to be a person people like to meet. Now he needs to help his wife to get a new career by knocking the doors of Hollywood royalty. For a priviledged person like him it must be a nightmare. Everyone in Hollywood knows he needs them. Things might get ugly soon in their household. He’ll return to England rather sooner than later.

I think she'd aim for Bezos. Her plan would be access to all the money and bank rolling for her acting projects.

[quote] Harry and Markle Buy $12 Million Mansion in Malibu

Look at the OP. Poor ignorant, borderline retarded OP. Can't even read a simple fucking sentence.

Go read the article about 20 times and then come back and tell us that it really says, "they might buy it"

Does your mom cut up your meat for you? Does she wipe your ass when you go # 2? I bet she does.

[quote] This realtor was brilliant.. He got all this publicity for nothing

But it shows off the pure ignorance and racism of these Datalounge posters who can not read a simple sentence.

These Harry and Meghan posters are why they have to have warning signs on gas pumps telling people not to drink the gasoline

R62 The Queen gave them a 12 month trial period, whereby they could try being independent and then if they wanted to, come back to working for The Royal Family with titled reinstated. This is where things will get really interesting!

Officially that 12 month trial period will end on 31 March 2021. My belief is, this is when the marriage will break apart, as Harry will hate life in LA, realise he has no purpose or direction and want back into his old life. Megan won't.

So I predict it will all start with dignity and announcements from the Palace that Prince Harry Duke of Sussex is returning to Royal duties in the UK. But his wife Megan will be continuing her working career as an actress with full support of the Royal Family.

The Palace will then attempt to make it appear as though Megan and Harry are still married, when the reality will be she has secured the LA home, most of Harry's inherited wealth and has ghosted him. But I would predict here it will really start to get messy, as the child will get dragged into the equation.

Is R47's picture real, with Meghan topless?

Divorced Royal spouses generally get a house--with strings attached. In Tony Snowden's case, he got a gorgeous London house with a life-interest. It was always understood that upon his death, it would go to his children with Margaret. He couldn't leave it to his second wife or to his child with her. In Fergie's case, she's got 660,000 pounds to buy a house--I don't know what she did with the money or if she ever bought a house. Nowadays she lives at Royal Lodge with Andrew.

If Harry and Meghan divorce, the BRF will almost certainly let her keep the marital home in LA, buy out the mortgage or whatever, with the proviso that the house will eventually be willed to Archie. She'll get money for his trust fund and living expenses. She'll get half of what she and Harry have earned during the marriage (not much). Everything beyond that she'll have to hustle for herself.

Yep, it's real, R67. Google Meghan Markle topless and a whole set of photos come up. Unlike the porny stuff that's made its rounds on the internet, these pictures are genuinely her.

Maybe Kylie Jenner will give them $1 Billion dollars to help them out.

I hear she's rolling in serious $ these days.

R55. Plenty of people could live on $2 million from Charles including the grifter Sussex duo. Granted, they can't live in a $12 million mansion. They would have to do with a lot less than even Frogmore Cottage offered; however. you can do it. With no income, what makes them think they need to live in grandeur on the coast of Malibu or even a penthouse in Century City. You want to go off and live on your own without a cash foundation? Fine, go do it on $2 million a year from Charles--and then dip into your own bank account. It can be done. They are out of their league at least for now and the foreseeable in a house that expensive.

They don't even have a damn phony foundation set up yet where they were going to grift the money off the top while pretending to care about women's empowerment and poor kids in Africa. Give them a banana with "You're Special" on it just like Markle did to abused women she pretended to help.

The people who post about Mehgan, have a lot of hate and worries for some you do not know, will never know, and who has zero impact on your lives whatsoever.

You people are just pathetic and pitiful.

R71 That's the point isn't it? Based on the fact they claimed they wanted to go off and live a quiet life and raise their son, think about the fantastic life they could have had in Canada on $2 million a year from Charles and Harry's inheritance. They could have got a beautiful, large townhouse, paid for a small amount of help, and then done whatever they chose.

But that isn't the life they want. They are setting themselves up for this Billionaire lifestyle in Malibu, full public exposure and literally nothing to trade off!

Fuck off, R72!

We're all bored and cranky, if not afraid for our livelihoods or our lives. Now is THE perfect time to bash spoiled twats who think they're entitled to live like billionaires, on someone else's dime.

Imagine flouncing out of royal life as they did, only to slink back in defeat when you couldn't make it in the real world.

R63, Of course Meghan would love to land Bezos, reasons being obvious. Now why would Bezos be interested in her? Does he crave notoriety? Who else would be seriously interested?

R72 I tell you what is more pathetic and pitiful. An individual who would actually spend time reading posts from these people, then take the time to write a post, attacking the posts!

You just chime in every so often with this strange white noise, that neither offers any kind of support toward MM or outlines why the majority of the comments on this thread are unjust.

We are all here waiting for you to say something R72 the forum is all yours now.

No your all filled with extreme Hate. Now please, go seek help.

Cunts!!!!

R78 Just one nice little thing about Megan. Come on..you can do it. Tell us why you love her so much...

People are dying and losing their jobs and businesses and Meghan is focused on living in opulence. Can she sink any lower?

R78, Some of us find this real life soap opera highly amusing and entertaining. Meghan created it herself apparently without even hiring a screenwriter.

If she were younger perhaps she could play a modern, interracial version of Daisy Buchanan with Harry having an affair with studly military man. Don't know who'd fulfill the role of Gatsby however.

R80 In fairness to Meghan, she did put out an Instagram post telling all her followers to use the time in self isolation to do online training in counselling, as a lot of people would be suffering from Mental Health Issues after this and would need support. She then put a post out saying they were not going to make an announcement about their new foundation Archiewell at this time, but would make announcement about their new foundation Archiewell at another time.

R78 Keep your Chris Crocker style tears for someone who deserves it.

Harry and Meghan got their own spin off! Wait for Big Brother William to guest star or Miss Ellie Queen Elizabeth to call in!!

Classic misdirection by Meghan. This is what she does. It’s her M.O. So now I assume they’re buying some other place that’s just as opulent.

They’re gonna need a whole lot of money.

Classic misdirection by Meghan. This is what she does. It’s her M.O. So now I assume they’re buying some other place that’s just as opulent.

They’re gonna need a whole lot of money.

"In fairness to Meghan, she did put out an Instagram post telling all her followers to use the time in self isolation to do online training in counselling, as a lot of people would be suffering from Mental Health Issues after this and would need support"

WTF, R82, proper counseling takes an advanced degree plus special training! Does she think people can just pick it up in a few hours on their computers?

She'd have been better advised to tell people to learn to sew cloth masks. That can't do any harm at least.

R72, Meghan's behaviour has somewhat of an impact on the lives of those of us who are British citizens as there is the potential for her to destabilise the royal family, and the monarch is our head of state.

R87 Yes she did indeed tell people to use their time in self isolation to train online as counsellors!! And yes she probably does think people can pick it up in a few hours on their computers. She thought you only need to be in the Royal Family a couple of weeks to become an A list superstar, Philanthropist and a cross between Prince Diana/Mother Theresa and Meryl Streep!

The 12 million price is in British Pounds, not dollars. The house price is $15 million.

[quote] Meghan's behaviour has somewhat of an impact on the lives of those of us who are British citizens as there is the potential for her to destabilise the royal family, and the monarch is our head of state

You are so full of shit. The Queen has a rapist son and you are worried about this? If Charles, Diana, Andrew and Fergie didn't destabilize the monarchy, nothing will

[quote] Not hardly

My eyes are bleeding. Oh, dear.

What r91 said.

For some reason I doubt that Camilla is going to standby and say nothing while Charles spends millions to keep the dolt and the grifter afloat.

[quote]who has zero impact on your lives whatsoever.

Excuse me, but my taxes paid for her security. She owes entire nations an explanation of her exploitive behavior.

R88 I am a Brit too and I support what you are saying! I spend a lot of time in the US and have for the past 20 years, but the one thing the MM matter has made me see is how Americans (generally but not exclusively) view of the Royal Family is very different to our reality. It's kind of like how Britains do not understand the second amendment. You can have an opinion as to whether owning a gun is right or wrong, but the whole aspect of the second amendment is a completely different can of worms to the points of discussion.

Our Monarchy is like the US Constitution and it isn't just about the people you see or regard as royalty. Be it The Queen, Prince Charles, Princess Diana etc. There is so much legality, history and laws bound up in it. It's what makes us a Monarchy and the US a Republic.

There has long been debate in the UK as to whether we should do away with our Monarchy and become a Republic like the US. To do this would change the very foundation of Britain and it isn't something that is generally wanted. However, the reason the subject is seldom discussed is because Queen Elizabeth's behaviour and commitment to duty has been so outstanding, even those who are for a Republic don't push the question too much. Queen Elizabeth just does such an outstanding job. However, everyone knows this support for the Monarchy will fade when the Queen dies and Charles takes over. So for the past 15 years The Royal Family (as an institution) has been painstakingly trying to modernise and bring William (as a future King) to the fore. Harry served a role as William's right hand man and both men were truly loved by the public.

However, one of the number one things any Monarch ruled society deplores is garish display of wealth from Royalty. for the past 60 years The Windsors have gone to great lengths NOT to flaunt wealth. We all know the lives they lead, but they are careful. The biggest beef that is raised with the British Public is the amount of money the Royal Family cost. Therefore, they know they have to be careful not to offend the public. Also, when Royalty has fallen, it is often attributed to displays of wealth. There is a reason why Marie Antoinette ended up headless!

The British Public are generally turning against Meghan Markle and Prince Harry because they are behaving badly and flaunting wealth. We do not want to pay for them. They are also lecturing us and attempting to behave in a faux virtuous manner, we can see tgrough. Brits are incredibly cynical people and they do not tolerate being spoken down to.

Secondly, I ask all you American's - would you like some Royalty? Because by all means have Meghan and Harry. Pay for them. Trump is hated, so all vote on going back to a Monarchy and put Meghan in as your Queen! Us Brits would support you whole heartedly and be glad this pair have been taken off our hands.

As it stands, this woman has caused so much upset to the Royal Family and if she and Harry continue this charade, the legal and structural implications for the British Royal Family and the UK are going to be immense.

I’d be willing to bet that R72 is one of the paid Web-Washers hired by Sunshine Sachs to monitor, clean-up and shame anti M&H posters... on this thread and the handful of other sites that post real, unedited public opinions.

You can bet Megan is sitting in Malibu reading all this in real time.

Hi Megs!

18 years... 18 years...

😂 Meghan haters must be furious.

R97 I was thinking exactly the same thing. A lot of these Web-Washers have Google Alerts set and will appear on forums to sway or end prolonged debates from happening.

R72 comes across as a total airhead. If this person is any kind of employee or contractor for Sunshine Sachs it explains why the Sussex's PR has been so damned bad.

More power to Harry and Megan. They can now live happily ever after.

I do hope those two live happily ever after!

As long as they pay their own fucking way.

[quote]Meghan haters must be furious.

Not in the slightest! We give thanks for the howling laughter she provides us day-in-and-day-out! We celebrate her every poor decision. She is gold!

She walking around looking like Michael with your (Lilibet) money...

R103. I agree. In my mind I imagine her smile vanishing from her face as she realises each PR blunder and the Curb Your Enthusiasm theme music playing.

Thanks R88 and r91 and r93 you can fuck right off. Andrew as 8th in line to the throne is irrelevant and Diana died over 20 years ago. It's astonishing how ignorant some Americans are as to what the royal family is yet have the gall to tell Brits who are explaning things to them to fuck off.

The royal family have a kind of social contract with the British people: we accept that they symbolise our nation - and the monarch is the head of state - if they in turn do that with dignity and respect. If they don't want to be respectful to the British people then they can fuck right off. You seem to have very quickly and easily forgotten that their initial aims were to commercialise and exploit the royal connection, with bizarre ideas about trademarking "Sussex Royal" and still expecting to represent the Queen, while they "split their time" between North America and the UK. They had the over-inflated idea about themselves that they were going to modernise the royal family while throwing out little bitchy barbs about William and assorted others. No thank you.

I'm so glad they're no longer hiding the fact that their real goal was to live in LA. Americans, you can keep them.

As an American, I’m personally embarrassed of Markle. I have great respect for the British monarchy as a treasured historical institution and I’m humiliated that it had to be a young woke American girl who took it upon herself to ‘shake up’ the BRF. How dare she treat another country’s thousand year old traditions with such disdain.

[quote]You can bet Megan is sitting in Malibu reading all this in real time.

I don't know if Meghan is reading Datalounge but I suspect Harry keeps up with some of the things that are said about them online. I bet it's a real shock for him. He'd assumed that he was universally loved just for his own charming personality. Still, he and Meghan have devoted admirers in r91 and r93.

Good lord, somebody better trot out the race card before the truth gets out!

R108, I’m not so sure about that. My guess is that, right now, Harry is sitting in the rented mansion playing video games, while Megs is in the other room huddled with her PR staff poring over web comments.

R82 is all about "fairness."

R82 is a shitty little Frau.

The bizarreness of this duchess cow "urging" her "followers" to train online in counseling is itself as absurd as her grifting.

This is not normal behavior, except among apologists for the degradation of what in other times would be called society, civilization and plain good sense.

Christ on a cross.

R96's is the best post on the thread.

I made the needed corrections and shared it with people!

I find the British Royal Family very interesting, but the Monarchy itself is little more than a tourist trap for wealthy foreigners. The only thing I can think of it's good for is for making that portion of the British public who like it feel good about something. The overall reality of the Monarchy is that it is a humorous old tradition that provides no tangible benefits to anyone.

R107 As a Brit I can honestly say that we welcomed Meghan with open arms during the engagement. We loved Harry and was thrilled he was getting married. Generally the fact she was American seemed to make it even more exciting for the country, that the UK and the US would have this kind of union.

But seriously, this girl has been terrible! Her brother actually wrote an open letter to The Royal Family before the wedding, saying she would destroy the Monarchy and the sister was appearing everywhere retelling horrors about her. But the British public still wouldn't budge on their opinions. We decided we were going to like her. But then when the criticisms started, we were called racist and it all just went downhill from there.

The truth is this. Harry had made public statements prior to meeting Meghan that he wanted to get married and have children. This man could literally have shut his eyes, spun around and pointed at a girl and that would have been who he married. This wasn't the classic romance it has been painted as. There is one person to blame for this mess, and one person only. And it is Harry. He broke all Royal protocol and decided he was going to marry someone without firstly spending sufficient time 'dating' her to allow both she and the Royal Family a chance to decide if it was right. Now we have this mess.

R36-there's a royal purse forum?

R113, so what if the British Monarchy is “a tourist trap for wealthy foreigners.” It’s been working successfully as that for hundreds of years. It’s to be greatly admired as a beautiful, historical relic.

You want no tradition? Come live in the States as a loyal subject of King Trump. He’s been successfully shutting down all our formerly admired institutions too.

You sound like Woke Meghan.

r36 is the "Klan Grannies" Troll who spams EVERY thread about the Sussexes.

FLAMES AND FREAKS

America became a republic and promptly took up with religiosity

R113. "That humorous old institution" as you put it is the reason why we in the UK will never have a lunatic like Donald Trump ruling over us!

Well said, R119! As an American, I’m envious of your political system. At least you are able to change Prime Ministers when you get fed up.

[QUOTE] "That humorous old institution" as you put it is the reason why we in the UK will never have a lunatic like Donald Trump ruling over us!

Like this guy is any better.

Yes he is! That's just a stupid thing to say!

You're so full of shit, r106.

I stand by backing what r91 said.

Markle haters have an emotional and mental investment in their cheese-off-their cracker deranged obsession of her; a hatred that is way out of proportion to her actual impact and position.

No wonder BRF threads turn into a Markle hater circle - jerk where your simultaneous wargasms on Markle keep fun, reasoned, detached gossip grounded in some reality is at bay.

Have at it.

R123 We still want to read the positive things you have to say about Meghan. We don't want to use up too much of your time, just a few lines saying why you like her, why you are invested in her as a profile person. Then we can have a discussion about this.

But as it stands I have to say, you read like someone who is being paid pretty poorly by a shoddy third party, to go onto forums and disrupt them without knowing a great deal about the subject matter to which you were tasked to defend.

You must be new here, r124. Della is a DL fixture.

What is all this about pools and a beach club? Harry looks extremely prone to bad sunburns.

The issue with the Susseces, for me as a long-time DLer, depends on your perspective.

When the 'Dangling Tendrils' threads were still relatively new, they were fun discussions of fashion. It took some time to realize how much was being spent on her wardrobe. There were more gaffes over extravagance, like the New York baby shower. There were also already hints of merchandising, which were vigorously denied. I didn't finally alter my opinions, until that "no photos" Wimbledon game.

So, you can remain detached and see the drama that's been played out as an entertaining comedy of errors. In my case, I see the rift between Will and Harry, and the huge disrespect shown by Harry to his family, and am appalled by the toll this couple has taken on so many of the people around them.

Please, they aren't buying any house. They are mooching from every last loser celebrity suck up until there is nothing left.

Della and Markle both suffer from a belief in their own importance.

How many millions are they going to spend to fix up this place before they ditch it like they did Frogmore?

[quote] So, you can remain detached and see the drama that's been played out as an entertaining comedy of errors. In my case, I see the rift between Will and Harry, and the huge disrespect shown by Harry to his family, and am appalled by the toll this couple has taken on so many of the people around them.

It’s also very disrespectful for you not to lead your life based upon what your siblings or other family members believe is best. You must also base your decisions upon the opinions of idiotic busybody strangers.

If your loved ones happily living independently takes a “toll” on you. Something is wrong. You have control and love confused.

We all have one short life to live. We should each make the most of it.

Harry has one short life to live and has not found any purpose, but boohoo, he has his family’s money, he can get by.

At most, they'd rent a place like that. This is a trial separation.

Harry is a POS, has accomplished nothing in his life, and dares to lecture working-class people about how to live. What a beady-eyed joke. At least Meghan is industrious. Gold-diggers aren't lazy.

Could there be any relief in the. BRF along the lines of “he’s her problem now”?

Have they washed their hands of him? Perhaps his bad attitude had been building behind the scenes before Markle came along.

Get down, girl. Go ‘head, get down.

"The bizarreness of this duchess cow "urging" her "followers" to train online in counseling is itself as absurd as her grifting. "

I can't get over that one. Yes, she's correct that the coronavirus crisis will take a huge toll on the mental health of the world's population, but telling her followers to "train online" was a monumentally ignorant thing to put out in public! WTF? Does she think volunteers with a few hours training won't do more harm than good, messing with the lives of real people?

The thing is, she could actually have done a tiny bit of good, because yes, there are going to be real problems with mental health issues being exacerbated and a shortage of resources to treat them. She could have talked about some organization that's being genuinely helpful and urged people to donate, or talked about how something needs to be done about the US's horribly inadequate mental healthcare system, where "treat 'em and street 'em" is the default. Or even announced vague plans to raise money for mental health treatment through her nebulous foundation, which might have at least gotten people talking about mental health issues. But saying "Everybody learn how to counsel!" is the stupidest possible way to approach the issue.

We would all be happier if Harry took several million and put it into the very best hair plugs available and maintenance of them.

I include Megan in this without asking how she felt but, honestly, I think she'd agree with me on this.

Forgive me for not showing interest in MeAgain, but I'm in a different timezone so I just caught R23's pics of Lachlan Murdoch's mansion.

I defy any Datalounger to walk up the front path of that place without singing "I Have Confidence".

FYI, Lachlan Murdoch’s new mansion is the former Kirkeby Estate. It might look familiar because it’s exterior was used as the Beverly Hillbillies house.

Billionaires like Bezos didn't get to where they are being suckers for blatant grifters. And anyway, no one with a functioning brain cell would get near Megs without feeling extreme embarrassment for her and themselves.

Fuck the monarchy, they were enslavers. Mehgan is their karma. She's decedent from slaves on her mother's side of the family in Georgia. And she's going to single handedly (hopefully) destroy, if not damage that out of date antiquated institution. In that stuffy cold evil landfill where colonization of the world was born, England.

Here's hoping she damages the fuck out of that racist bigoted so called "family."

They are evil white supremacists anyway. And rather people like it or not, Meghan is now and forever apart of the history and the story of the BRF. And there's nothing anyone can do about. She's now a historical figure and will be written and read about in the history books for all of eternity. Just like Wallace Simpson is.

But I really do hope she damages that evil family. They are fucking evil to the core. They suck up resources when there's so much poverty in the UK and live in a manor that is disgusting.

I fully support what Meghan is doing. She will absolutely bring down that evil racist bigoted trash BRF.

She has my blessings.

R142, you are either young or stupid. Probably both. Sounds like you have an axe to grind, but I’ll not get into any racial comments.

[quote]if not damage that out of date antiquated institution. In that stuffy cold evil landfill where colonization of the world was born, England.

Actually, Muslims colonized nearly half of the known world nearly 1000 years before the British.

Mel's mansion looks like Knott's Berry Farm out buildings. They hide generators and such.

Being a poor I love clicking on links to celeb real estate and finding it to be this ugly. McMansion interiors (plus all that exposed rock) and the exterior looks like the upscale strip mall my suburban relatives shop at.

Meghan and Harry rock, more power to them!

[quote] And she's going to single handedly (hopefully) destroy, if not damage that out of date antiquated institution.

If King Edwards abdication, Andrew’s divorce, heir to the throne Charles’ affair/divorce and Diana’s death didn’t destroy the Monarchy. Somehow, I doubt the absence of 5th in line Harry will.

[quote] [R142], you are either young or stupid. Probably both. Sounds like you have an axe to grind, but I’ll not get into any racial comments.

Right because the hundred + nonsensical comments here are not about race, and the psychos posting them don’t have an axe to grind.

But I’ll not get into that.

Correct, R144. And if R142 wants to discuss slavery, the Muslims (aka the Barbary Pirates) were the experts. They kidnapped entire villages in England, Ireland, Scotland and Iceland — men, women and children — and took them back to lifelong slavery in North Africa. This went on for 300 years!

If someone wants to be a Meg fan because they admire her chutzpah or the way she stuck-it-to-the-man in the form of the BRF, I can understand that.

Now if only the Megstans were capable of something resembling civilized conversations, these threads might be that much more fun for their presence. But no, it's all ranting and fake threats and writing skills that I hope are the product of the tenth quarantine cocktail of the day.

[quote] If someone wants to be a Meg fan because they admire her chutzpah or the way she stuck-it-to-the-man in the form of the BRF, I can understand that. Now if only the Megstans were capable of something resembling civilized conversations, these threads might be that much more fun for their presence. But no, it's all ranting and fake threats and writing skills that I hope are the product of the tenth quarantine cocktail of the day.

Ma’am there is nothing civil nor intelligent to be found in the lunatic rantings of you psychopaths. You may now come down from that pedestal, upon which you’ve placed yourself.

R148, please answer this honestly... Do you REALLY think the majority of posters on this thread are psychos who hate Meghan because she’s black?

In defense of myself and others on this thread, I’m very interested in the Markles’ public fuck-ups, misadventures and general lack of integrity. Her or Harry’s lineage holds no interest for me. With all due respect to a fellow DL’r, I think you over estimate the perceived racism here.

"With all due respect to a fellow DL’r, I think you over estimate the perceived racism here. "

Yeah, well, people with no sense of humor have to find some way to process something the things they don't understand.

[quote] [R148], please answer this honestly... Do you REALLY think the majority of posters on this thread are psychos who hate Meghan because she’s black? In defense of myself and others on this thread, I’m very interested in the Markles’ public fuck-ups, misadventures and general lack of integrity. Her or Harry’s lineage holds no interest for me. With all due respect to a fellow DL’r, I think you over estimate the perceived racism here.

The content posted here speaks for itself and not just the recent content. Datalounge's overt bigotry is archived and easily accessible for all the world to see. Its really quite shameful.

R152, I’m sorry but I don’t understand your response. Virtually all the Markle comments were written with a sense of humor. It’s funny stuff. DL writers tend to be intelligent and witty. Not to mention caustic and acerbic. Isn’t that why were all here?

Let’s face it, people are intensely interested in rich and powerful people who fuck things up. By your reference to “things they don’t understand” are you insinuating there’s a racial subtext in ALL these comments and that non-whites can’t understand the black American experience? If so, I think you are very wrong in your assumptions.

Meghan is now a historical figure and nothing will ever change that Fact.

She will forever be apart of Queen Elizabeths life story. The girl from Compton California penetrate something she was never meant to be apart of, and white people are pissed about it.

LOL!

Meant whites, not non-whites.

"By your reference to “things they don’t understand” are you insinuating there’s a racial subtext in ALL these comments and that non-whites can’t understand the black American experience? "

No, I'm saying that none of the Meg fangirls have zero sense of humor, and people without a sense of humor won't be able to understand all the hilarious comments on these threads. They'll look at all the laughter and see nothing but insults to their beloved Meghan, who BTW also seems to completely lack a sense of humor. Particularly about herself.

R154 You are a fucking idiot. White people definitely do not understand the Black American experience. How would they be able to?

They are white, they can only imagine what it's like. They don't have a clue, because if they did society would've been completely reformed a loooooong time ago.

Your privilege is blinding you. You don't have a clue.

Who cares what colour she is. She’s an asshole. End of story.

Ok, I give up. Yes, I bow to “the beautiful historical Meghan Markle”.

Sheesh, do you people plan to invade and ruin EVERY FUCKING THREAD THAT EVEN VAGUELY MENTIONS MEGHAN?

I’m afraid that, as time goes on, you will find it harder and harder to support her... other than in defense of her racial heritage. Sad. And these bizarre threats about Datalounge archives being accessed to search out racism! Wow... if the thought police want to come get me for any of my very sincere comments... then come and get me.

R161 That's a whole lot better.

[quote] [R154] You are a fucking idiot. White people definitely do not understand the Black American experience. How would they be able to? They are white, they can only imagine what it's like. They don't have a clue, because if they did society would've been completely reformed a loooooong time ago. Your privilege is blinding you. You don't have a clue.

Whether

[quote] Datalounge archives being accessed to search out racism! Wow... if the thought police want to come get me for any of my very sincere comments... then come and get me.

The comments posted here do not magically disappear. You don't have to "search" for the bigotry. Datalounge is running over with bigotry. Regardless of for what visitors may search they will find a heavy dose of disgusting bigotry. Its inescapable. People have the type of conversations that they have when they believe there are no racial minorities in the room. However, this is not your private residence. This is the internet. Think whatever you choose and post whatever you choose. And all of it is here for the world to see and it will be here potentially forever. If this is truly representative of who white gays are. Perhaps the exposure is good. Why not be honest about it and present that to the public. If not; then a lot of people are being misrepresented.

[quote] [[R154]] You are a fucking idiot. White people definitely do not understand the Black American experience. How would they be able to? They are white, they can only imagine what it's like. They don't have a clue, because if they did society would've been completely reformed a loooooong time ago. Your privilege is blinding you. You don't have a clue.

You're incredibly naive if you believe that the lack of change is simply due to misunderstanding.

Thank you R156/r162. I have learned the errors of my ways and will forever praise the sacred Meghan as you have instructed me. I’m so sorry I misunderstood the high priestess of Compton.

May Meghan’s grace and love fall on all of us racist heathens.

Let us pray.

R165 LOL, your a good sport.

I like you.

So very tired of the "If you don't like Meghan Markle it's because she's black and you are all racist" trolls.

So. Very. Tired.

R166. I love you too!

R167 well, some people have been tired for 400 years in America.

Racism is real my friend.

MM is from Crenshaw, not Compton. Remember, that was the headline that caused outrage against the DM.

Holy shit, R170. I’m so sorry. It’s not Compton. Tonight I will say an extra prayer to the Goddess Meghan of Crenshaw and ask for her saintly forgiveness.

[quote] So very tired of the "If you don't like Meghan Markle it's because she's black and you are all racist" trolls. So. Very. Tired.

The Markle threads are no different that the rest of the datalounge. If the rest of the threads here were not what they are. The notion that none of this is about race might actually fly.

"Datalounge is running over with bigotry. "

FYI putting the three right people on "ignore" has removed all the blatantly racist, rageaholic, horrifically hateful posts. That's right, all that was coming from three people or less!

Although after his 15th cocktail of the evening, I'm sure our Meganstan could find racism in a discussion about whether to strain pasta.

[quote] White people definitely do not understand the Black American experience.

R159 The Black experience in America is not unique. It is insulting, belittling and erasing to those who were and remain victims of American bigotry and racism to assert otherwise.

R174 you are a damn fool. Black Americans have had a uniquely different experience in America then any other ethnic group in this country.

Yeah, every group have their issues here, but there's always been a special kind of hatred for African Americans. The history is there.

Not many people dispute the mistreatment of black people in America.

[quote] Holy shit, [R170]. I’m so sorry. It’s not Compton. Tonight I will say an extra prayer to the Goddess Meghan of Crenshaw and ask for her saintly forgiveness.

Ma'am you are free to post whatever you choose. Datalounge welcomes the bigotry. Be as disgustingly ignorant and nasty as you choose. But know need to pretend that its anything other than what it is. The world is watching and no one is fooled.

[quote} [R159] The Black experience in America is not unique. It is insulting, belittling and erasing to those who were and remain victims of American bigotry and racism to assert otherwise.

Historically speaking, every minority has had its own unique experience in this country. Which anyone with a high school diploma should know. What is insulting is that bigots attempt to pit minorities against each other, in order to individually dismiss them.

Ma'am you are free to post whatever you choose. Datalounge welcomes the bigotry. Be as disgustingly ignorant and nasty as you choose. But know need to pretend that its anything other than what it is. The world is watching and no one is fooled.

[quote] [[R159]] The Black experience in America is not unique. It is insulting, belittling and erasing to those who were and remain victims of American bigotry and racism to assert otherwise.

Historically speaking, every minority has had its own unique experience in this country. Which anyone with a high school diploma should know. What is insulting is that bigots attempt to pit minorities against each other, in order to individually dismiss them.

[quote] "Datalounge is running over with bigotry. " FYI putting the three right people on "ignore" has removed all the blatantly racist, rageaholic, horrifically hateful posts. That's right, all that was coming from three people or less! Although after his 15th cocktail of the evening, I'm sure our Meganstan could find racism in a discussion about whether to strain pasta.

FYI R173 has blocked herself

Black people have had it the worst. The holocaust did not happen in north America. It happened in Europe.

[quote] Holy shit, [[R170]]. I’m so sorry. It’s not Compton. Tonight I will say an extra prayer to the Goddess Meghan of Crenshaw and ask for her saintly forgiveness. Ma'am you are free to post whatever you choose. Datalounge welcomes the bigotry. Be as disgustingly ignorant and nasty as you choose. But no need to pretend that its anything other than what it is. The world is watching and no one is fooled.

[quote] Holy shit, [[[R170]]]. I’m so sorry. It’s not Compton. Tonight I will say an extra prayer to the Goddess Meghan of Crenshaw and ask for her saintly forgiveness.

Ma'am you are free to post whatever you choose. Datalounge welcomes the bigotry. Be as disgustingly ignorant and nasty as you choose. But no need to pretend that its anything other than what it is. The world is watching and no one is fooled.

Add on to R179. Slavery and jim crow took place in America. Hanging and lynching black people is what happened in America. An unfair justice system is what plagues black people in America etc.

Having police officers attack and kill you and get away with it is what blacks have to deal with in America.

This could go on and on for a long time.

"Black people have had it the worst."

Well, the Native American population dropped by about 90% during the 19th century, what with the disease and genocide and wars against people with superior technology and their lands being stolen and their food sources destroyed.

Betcha ten bucks this thread is closed in the morning, I assume Muriel is asleep right now.

[quote]The holocaust did not happen in north America. It happened in Europe.

And yet the Black community happily joins the White community in its vicious Jew-hated, for which it is amply rewarded.

And what does any of this have to do with the grifting behavior of Harry and Meghan? I just re-read this thread from top to bottom and there was not a single mention of race until R142 lept in with a blatant racist manifesto.

Sure, Muriel will close this thread. Wasn’t that the goal of the Megstans all along?

Submit to their power, all you gays.

They were never really going to permanently live in Canada. I thought that they would have massive earning potential, but I no longer think that. By leaving England and royal duties, they gave up whatever allure they had. Now they are in a huge ocean full of big fish who actually have talent. Oprah and Tyler Perry types will throw them a bone though. I don't see big heads of studios hiring Meghan.

Generally speaking the only people who seem to care about them is the British public and black and biracial women abroad. Men could care less and white/other non black women seem passive at best.

R171, I hope you didn't feel attacked. It's just that I recently read an article from The Atlantic, correcting that, only because the DM article was so inflammatory, yet still got the facts wrong.

R5 jealous?

Hi R171. Nah, I didn’t feel attacked. I’m actually enjoying the intellectual stimulation of this thread. I’m sitting here socially distanced with nobody else to talk to... of any race... so it’s all good.

Meant Hi R187

Everything about this thread is lie anyway.

1) Harry and Meghan don't have $12m pounds or dollars available to buy a house.

2) Thus, they haven't bought this house.

3) If anyone buys them a house, it'll be Charles

I would make do with that house. Why not have the DL Interior Design experts review Mel Gibson's former California home near the Pacific? We could renovate it, take away the crazy Catholic memorabilia, and lighten brighten it up! Also, I have been a fan of DL for years and I have not seen the racism. I would hope DL attractspeople all over the world who seek to further understanding while enjoying some silliness.

Oh and also, wouldn't yearly taxes on this beautiful home be like $60 - $100K per year?? I'd like to see them manage it. Maybe they can.

Harry must be feeling an exhilarating sense of freedom and possibility. That’s what America offers immigrants from old hidebound cultures.

R194, he may be feeling relief, but I’d guess not.

He’s still the less-important one..

He has a wife to keep happy and child to support.

^^ He’s traded one set of “keeping up appearances” for another.

He’s moved to a place where the paparazzi are more plentiful and aggressive.

Wherever you go, there you are.

What you r195 saying? Somebody please explain if you can’t rephrase that.

"Harry must be feeling an exhilarating sense of freedom and possibility."

He probably felt that when flying in from Canada to begin a new life in LA, and the feeling lasted until he found out about the shelter-in-place rules.

What part don’t you understand?

Someone said Harry must be feeling exhilaration at getting away from his hidebound culture.

I said he’s not really escaping anything. He’s still “the less important one”. He still is expected to keep up appearances. He has more financial obligations than ever. He still has to deal with paparazzi.

No matter where he goes, he has the same problems. Being in America isn’t going to change much.

It will take just one secretly filmed video of Meghan screaming at the help to finally destroy her reputation. People will then start believing the earlier incidents as well. I've obviously no idea how correct all the earlier reports have been but judging by her behavior otherwise I tend to believe them.

She must really be something when she lets rip, as she made Catherine cry!

The Harkles are living either rent-free in a borrowed home, or paying a minimal rent on something suitably luxurious. Harry doesn't have the money for a $12 million home and his father isn't going to shell out for that. No one is going to take a third of the only fund he has to buy a home in Hollywood, thereby reducing his cash income, still subject to Inland Revenue taxes, by a third. Charles is worth more than $100 million personally, but not liquid assets: land, art, real estate, and, of course, the 21 million a year he gets from the Duchy of Cornwall, of which a goodly chunk is given to the Treasury to stave off the pitchforks and torches. The rest he reinvests in his own portfolio, and four million a year is split between his 2 sons to "supplement" what is, in reality, their rather meagre real cash incomes. He also sets up a seven figure "dress fund" for his two daughters-in-law so they can dress suitably beyond what the Sovereign Grant provides for their "work-related" wardrobe.

Charles is also notoriously tight-fisted. He may eventually, if it looks like Harry ain't a-comin' home, help his son to a suitable home, but not at $12 million.

So, the rumour is bullshit. Every week, there's another "Could this be Meghan's and Harry's new home in Malibu?!" story, based on something "a source" told the DM or the SUN or The MIRROR.

All that said, I doubt he'll abandon his son after this 12-month period, as the Harkles will plead (with some fairness) that the virus made it impossible for them to carry through plans for "financial independence". Charles will probably agree to float them for yet another year.

Meghan's fee for the Disney narrative was donated to Elephants Without Borders. I'm sure she had no issue with this because that set up precedent for her fee, useful as she and Harry might have found it. As a working woman, Meghan would be shrewd enough to know that it's putting your last salary in the application that's important if you want the next job to meet it.

I don't know if that will be enough to get her what she wants, that remains to be seen. She's already lost leverage with some extremely short-sighted PR tactics.

There IS corruption in nonprofits, just as anywhere else where company money is involved. Certainly not a majority of them, but it does happen. Many nonprofits, after discovering it, feel it's bad PR even to publicise the occurrence because it makes donors nervous, and get rid of the perp quietly: you don't get your name dragged through the mud so you can't get another job, and you repay the funds and resign to pursue "other opportunities", is one common way of dealing with the situation.

I doubt very much that the Harkles are skimming off what, at the moment, barely exists except on paper. They're skimming off Charles, off any friend who can connect them to a free home, partly still off British taxpayers (it is extremely doubtful that Charles is footing the entire bill - the UK taxpayer is still footing part of it, I would wager).

Their real problem is their awful planning and, as is so common up in those azure realms of blood, their refusal to listen to what was probably very sound advice. They just didn't have their ducks in a row before they bailed, and Meghan, particularly, looks to me like a serious fantasist who makes decisions based on what she thinks should happen, instead of giving the landscape an honest appraisal first.

Harry is rich on paper but not in terms of cash income; his father's support isn't limitless; karma threw them a world-wide pandemic; and they made lots of own goals with rather ugly cheap shots at the BRF through leaked stories, their rather cavalier and brutal treatment of Canada, and their totally idiotic handling of matters since.

The Queen's patience may be extensive, but William's isn't and he is becoming more influential and more popular with the public with every year, and Charles is caught in the middle, having to consider the image of the monarchy that presumably he will one day lead, and the mental welfare of one son.

Watch this space.

I refuse to read this thread because it should have been a "Tasteful Friends" post.

Now they can just pretend to be royal. Harry can knight Markle as "Lady Sugar Tits"

[quote] [R113]. "That humorous old institution" as you put it is the reason why we in the UK will never have a lunatic like Donald Trump ruling over us!

You must have forgotten who you've got in charge now. That idiot is nothing more than Trump lite.

The US will have learned a good lesson from having Trump and after he's gone it will probably be a long time before (if ever) that we put another obvious con artist like him in charge. They're all con artists to an degree, no matter what party platform they run on. But Trump will have pretty much destroyed the republican party by the time he's gone. I don't think Britain will have learned a thing from having a nutcase like Johnson in charge.

I always get a chuckle when the ad for that elephant movie comes on and the VO says "narrated by Meghan, Duchess of Sussex." Yeah, she really wanted nothing to do with royal life alright.

R202 You also have to understand that when you refer to Charles paying anything, it isn't physically Charles who will be doing this. There are so many stories (from insiders and even Diana) about how utterly incapable Charles is of doing anything. He can't even put the toothpaste on his own toothbrush! Therefore, when Harry has to discuss money with Charles, he will be discussing it with men in suits who work for Charles and have to ask Charles permission. Charles will likely mutter and stutter and say "Oh yes ok". However, these men in suits will also have to say "Your highness, Prince Harry is asking for more money and you are now going to need to be mindful of his spending". This would be the role of these people with regards to Charles finances.

From what is understood, it was known inside the Royal Family that Harry and Meghan wanted to leave long before their Instagram announcement. This appears to have been the case from prior to their son's birth. However, they were told by the Palace it would take some time to put matters into order, as such a thing had never happened before. Therefore, they needed to understand how matters such as security would work moving forward. It looks likely the couple hoped it would be sorted by Christmas, but when it wasn't, they took to Instagram and announced it themselves. This started a chain of events that all have one thing in common 'rushing!'.

What we can see now, is Meghan wanted to go back to Los Angeles and resume an acting career. It is important to stress, that upon the engagement the Queen offered her the chance to continue acting and not being a working Royal, but Meghan wanted the title. So she had to give up one profession, to start another - that of being a working member of the Royal family. Remember the now infamous line "Whatever Meghan Wants Meghan Gets" this has been the whole problem.

I now do not believe , that prior to their engagement Harry or Meghan ever intended to stay in the UK, nor do I believe Meghan ever intended on being a working Royal. Long before their wedding, it is looking highly probable (in private), they both cooked up this plan. His future wife would get the title, then Harry would claim the press and everyone had been horrific to her and they would leave and head to Canada to 'resume Royal duties', before slowly heading over to LA where she would resume work. The clues were there, including Harry being seen trying to procure Meghan work whilst they were on Royal duties.

However, it was Harry not Meghan who misjudged this plan. Harry clearly believed he would get to retain his Royal status and his wife would get to use her new royal title. Then he naively believed he would get to reallocate to the US and transfer his life as a member of the Royal family as a Prince in America (a republic!!), whilst his wife secured A List Hollywood film parts. Therefore, establishing some kind of Hollywood Royalty set up. Rather like the Prince and Princess of Monaco. It is also looking evident the likes of the Clooney's and Oprah Winfrey thought this was set to happen.

But their plan has been entirely stopped. Trademarking their titles and planning to capitalise on them was (I believe) the step too far. Now everything has been entirely scuppered for them. Their fatal mistake was attempting to rush everything. This should have been a plan that unfolded over 5 years, not 12 months! But this haste is also why it is becoming obvious, Harry had cooked this half baked scheme up long before the public knew him and Meghan were getting married. He was pandering to whatever dreams she had from the point they were dating and promising her he would make them happen.

I believe Harry made his mind up many years back when he was doing military training in the US. He got a good view of what life in the US is like, and he decided he wanted that kind of life, not the kind of life the Royals have in the UK where every movement is watched and followed. I also think his mother planted the seed in his mind of what life in the US could be like. She was said to want to buy a home here after she dumped ol' big ears. Who could blame Harry for wanting something better than the kind of life he lead in Britain? I applaud him for going after it and getting the life he wanted. I hope he enjoys a very happy life here.

Please define better for Harry. From where I sit, he had a pretty good gig in Britain.

Good how? Financially? Harry was born into great wealth. Harry has great wealth in his own right now, thanks to his mother, and to some degree his birthright. He doesn't need his family and clearly doesn't want to be on the dole from them. What good is having great wealth if you have to live a life in a fishbowl.

For whatever reason, he was miserable living the life of a working Royal. There's nothing wrong in that. He, like everyone, has a right to live life the way he wants to live it, not the way his grandmother and father want him to live it. He wants to make it on his own, not as a mouthpiece for his grandmother, attending the openings of grocery stores and sweets shops.

That house is really ugly. I think anyone could find something more appealing for $12 million.

Before Harry's wedding, he had already spent time in the US, in Afghanistan, in Africa, and a number of other countries/continents. If his decision to step down from Royal life came before his marriage, I think many of us would simply be happy for him. It was the fact that he (they) were willing to spend so much of the public's money, and then begin to plan their merchandising schemes (back before Archie was born) is what makes them look like ungrateful grifters.

Make it on his own? How, exactly? The only thing he has to offer anyone is his connection to the BRF. His money comes from the BRF. The idea that Harry can and wants to make it "on his own" is some sort of PR fantasy spin that only a fool would buy into.

[quote] No matter where he goes, he has the same problems. Being in America isn’t going to change much.

You obviously know little about the American immigration experience. As has been said, you leave your identity at the door. Of course Harry is different from you and me. But the US will infinitely expand his potential. This is the greatest gift to him from Meghan.

[quote]But the US will infinitely expand his potential. This is the greatest gift to him from Meghan.

This is really the mother of all ASSUMPTIONS that Ginger has any potential worth expanding.

You can leave your identity at the door ONLY if you are white and x-tian.

[quote] His money comes from the BRF

The majority of his money comes from his inheritance from Diana, who was no longer a member of the BRF. Harry & Meghan will have little difficulty in building their financial war chest once the world goes back to work after the CV19 panic has died down. It has been said, and I totally agree, that they will build a staggering level of wealth in a relatively short time.

America creates potential.

Obviously at r106 I meant "thanks r96".

[quote]America creates potential.

Only the potential to rise to his own level of incompetence.

R123, Della, you're pathetic, you truly are. You are so fucking arrogant you can't even comprehend the real issues surrounding the behaviour of these two grifters.

Until these two fucking Sussex idiots tried their ridiculous tricks, I was one of their defenders. Even when they announced they wanted to stand down as senior royals I thought "good for them", until I saw just how much they were taking us for a ride. It's the British people first and foremost they were trying to exploit. But you would never comprehend that. In any case, who is hating? Most people are discussing in good humour. It's people like you who and their other defenders who bring your hate here.

Too right, r129.

He has a trust from Diana, who was a member for the BRF. Aside from that, who do you think is floating his and Meghan's lifestyle now?

Ugh. At least Mel earned it.

I'm not sure why people think Harry would miss England. He spent a lot of time in the US before meeting Megan. He was in LA and Vegas all the time. On top of that most rich Brits buy property in the US and spend a lot of time there. The grass is always greener. Growing up in England people idealised Florida and California. Even in upper middle class circles going to FL or CA and renting a home with a pool was very desirable and something people oohed and aaahed over. When I came to California I met people living in homes with the pool, the big garage, the games room. the garden and guess where they idealised - the UK! They would tell me they hated the climate, hated their big homes, didn't use their pool and thought total fulfillment would be found in a cottage in England.

Harry was an unhappy young man and it seems perfectly reasonable to me that despite the family he was born into that he would think happiness would be found elsewhere. I used to feel sorry for him when he was young. Now I think he's perhaps making some mistakes but I wish him well. I hope he finds contentment.

Was he really in Vegas and LA "all the time"? Doubt it. I do think he's probably starstruck and weather-struck.

R217, not sure if they can really build a staggering amount of wealth in these times, unless they're willing to compromise their reputations. I'm sure lucrative commercials and reality TV and endorsements and book deals would be available to them, but then they'd have to give up their humanitarianism pretence, and Harry has apparently said no to anything dragging the BRF through the mud. How much is to be made from speechifying and do-gooding, especially post-corona?

They are both garbage. Let’s not forget about the ginger cunt dressing as a Nazi for shits and giggles, or the naked pics of him in Las Vegas doing blow. They just want to live off of other people’s money and wear their bullshit royal titles without having to do any of the work. How is that admirable? I’m sure his mom would be proud.

His mom worked a lot harder, but she too was overly impressed with glamour and celebrity, including her own.

[quote] Harry was an unhappy young man and it seems perfectly reasonable to me that despite the family he was born into that he would think happiness would be found elsewhere.

I think we can all agree that he’ll never find happiness with Meghan and all of her psychologically damaging drama.

Thank God she saved him from the Palace of Pedo's. I wish them a happy life, but best to keep Archie and any other offspring away from the old country, they seem to be pretty chill with child rape over there.

Didn't pretty much all of Diana's money come from her divorce settlement? So Diana's money was basically Charles' money, right? So that "Diana money" that Harry is supposedly living off of is almost entirely royal money, if I'm not mistaken.

Did Diana have much money of her own? I imagine she had a bit of an inheritance but I'd think the overwhelming bulk of the Spencer money stayed with her brother. Anyone know how much she had in her own right?

r230 Agreed. Thank God they took him to the rape free capital of the world. Where it's impossible for a small circle of rich people to get away with sex crimes.

R154 is the biggest asshole currently on DL getting drunk and screaming racist at every opportunity. He can't mention one individual without saying racism or white privilege. How fortunate for him he only needs to look through keyholes to see everything that happens.

According to the bios I've read, Diana had a small inheritance which she used to buy the apartment at Colherne Court that she lived in during her brief single period in London. That's typical of upper-class families of that period: Give the girls enough to sponsor few seasons in London, with the understanding that they'll use the time to snag a suitably well-born and wealthy fellow. (Diana certainly fulfilled the brief.) I assume that after her marriage the apartment was sold.

R231 is correct that most of William and Harry's inheritance from their mother was the divorce settlement from Charles. They've never not lived on public funds, and unless Meghan is truly the greatest hustler the world has ever seen, Harry always will live at the grace and favor of the British public.

R230, please link to any evidence that the BRF is a “Palace of Pedos” and that “they are chill with child rape over there” and that Meagan rescued little Archie from all the degradation by moving to Malibu, that bastion of clean living.

Klan Granniesssssss!!!!!!

What hardly anyone here has noticed is that the Fail itself seems in some doubt about this alleged purchase.

OP's headline "Harry and Markle Buy $12 Million Mansion in Malibu" is misleading and most of you fell for it without even reading linked article.

Harkles' PR people have denied the purchase.

Profile from this week's New Yorker:

Whoah, r238

When even the New Yorker is acknowledging that this has been a ballsup... then it is confirmed to have been a massive ballsup.

No A-lister in Hollywood will hire them after the New Yorker has slated them, however subtly. For some reason the 'quality' directors and producers in LA revere the New Yorker.

R239 They will be seen as poison in LA after that piece.

If they're seen as poison in LA, or as irrelevant as the entertainment industry desperately tries to adjust to a new and less public world, what's next for those two?

Dubai?

[quote] you can fuck right off. Andrew as 8th in line to the throne is irrelevant

Fuck you. This is your life. You get up and the first thing you do is read about them. You check various times throughout the day. You post here all the time. You check about Meghan and Harry before you go to bed. You are so sad and pathetic

Andrew is a rapist. Are you pretending to be British? If you are, you're 'paying" for his security. You're okay with paying for security for a criminal? Of course you are. He's white

Harry's sixth in line. He'll never be king, so what's the big deal? Your tax dollars (I'm going to pretend you're british too) don't pay for them. Charles does. With money from the Duchy of Cornwall. That's his money to do whatever he wants with. He puts the leftover money in his personal bank account

I didn’t think the New Yorker piece was very critical of them at all.

Just read the New Yorker article. It’s poorly written and feels like Harry and Meghan 101. Absolutely nothing new here. Lots left out, and the devil is always in the details. The author insists upon comparing these two to past historical figures and tries so hard to make that fit the story. It seems like she was desperately trying not to offend Harry and Meghan and just stated facts without emotion or comment . The article touches ever so briefly on many of the Harkles’ misadventures, but the general tone is that none of these things were their fault... just bad timing or luck. There’s almost no mention of Meghan’s clear show biz aspirations or probable manipulation of Harry to get back to Hollywood.

All in all, this is not a damaging article. The overall tone is, “Let’s see what this brave duo do next.”

The New Yorker piece that is being seen as shading the Harkles, in my view, has barely done so at all. On the contrary, there rare detailed descriptions of the "racist press" but absolutely no inclusion of the many ways in which Meghan made it clear that she had nothing but contempt for the institution that saved her from professional oblivion at the ripe old age of 36. No mention of Tiaragate, the Mean Girl stunt at Eugenie's wedding, reports of the abuse of staff, the failure to wear British clothes beyond 30% or so of the time . . .

The piece also misstates several things: the Sussexes did not "agree" to pay back the sum spent on renovating Frogmore Cottage on their behalf. We got from the Queen's statement that they "expressed a wish" to do so, which is far from the same thing. The piece also reiterates the "Hollywood star" myth: she never cracked Hollywood, she wasn't a big star, she was a C-list actress on a silly cable show on which she played a secondary character that was about to be written out AND that was the only real acting job she ever had.

Their cavalier treatment of Canada's taxpayers, the refusal to listen to good advice, and most of all, Meghan's attempt to intimidate the British press a year before the engagement even took place.

I don't think the piece slated them much at all. If anything, it was far too kind and went out of its way to ignore the "What Meghan wants, Meghan gets!" mantra that has characterised Harry's approach to his wife's self-regard throughout.

Yes, R243 and R244. It managed to be both verbose but also to say very little. I kept waiting for the point that didn't come. Not worth the time it took to read.

R244 - You beat me to it, I completely agree. The article is boring, doesn't tell us anything we didn't already know, and leaves out all the really damaging shit that Meghan pulled: no mention of the leaked stories calling the royal environment "soul crushing", their assumption that they could have their cake and eat it, too (the author doesn't even explain the difference between what they asked for and what they got), the nasty leaked stories about how "uptight" they are, deliberately trampling on their news cycles, that absurd "pap" shot with her inch-long false eyelashes on and her kid's head shoved to the side so the "paps" could get a nice shot of her smiling up at them - all whilst taking Charles' money without missing a beat.

Shoddy journalism all around.

I wonder how much the Markles’ PR team “helped” write this story?

R243 It was boring. Nothing we gossips didn't already know and could have expressed in an infinitely more entertaining fashion.

COULDN'T have expressed, oh dear me

What a puff piece. Left out significant details--her inability to hold on to meaningful relationships, the cast of strangers invited to the wedding, the public mockery of their new venture, and so on. Harry, for all his crying in recent years, seemed a pretty jovial lad with loads of friends, including close family members, before marriage.

[quote]The piece also reiterates the "Hollywood star" myth: she never cracked Hollywood, she wasn't a big star, she was a C-list actress on a silly cable show on which she played a secondary character that was about to be written out AND that was the only real acting job she ever had.

99.9% of the public had never even heard of this woman until she started dating Harry.

No one reads The New Yorker or The Atlantic any more other than the frauen under the hood dryer.

Let it never be forgotten that the whole Megix saga has been a considerable distraction and time waster when all attention should have been focused on Covid-19.

R254 Well, on this one, it seems that the $u$$exe$ are not to blame at all: this is a story confected and run by Mel Gibson's realtor, perhaps with the blessed Mel's agreement.

R254, I'd say the story has served more as a distraction from the stark reality of the pandemic just like any other entertainment. We get so much information about the virus that it's mentally dangerous to focus on that 24/7.

Well, this has taken a turn ... all of a sudden the New Yorker is shoddy journalism for Frauen because an article on Meg and Harry didn't report on such as facts as Meghan having played a mean girl trick on Eugenie by wearing a maternity coat?

These two offer so much to snark about, but those of you who write long, angry screeds and who can't see that the New Yorker is not the DM are boring.

R206

As for the Elephants documentary: The interesting thing is that Megsy is titled "Meghan, Duchess of Sussex" in this documentary. However, her correct name at present is "The Duchess of Sussex" - "Meghan, Duchess of Sussex" would be her post-divorce name ...

Just a coincidence? I don't think so.

I'll bet that the BRF's heart soared just a little when they saw that, r258. They live in hope.

r6 you are on a gossip site so get off your high horse. Also if you truly don't give a fuck as you say then why take the time to post, just skip on by.

Della you are an idiot

What everyone overlooks - conveniently or otherwise - is the application for trademark of SussexRoyal, made just about a year after Ginger Megs marriage. Yes, they could have woken up one morning and though "ya know, we could make a lotta dosh selling stuff with a royal trademark". But that's not how these things happen. It takes much thought, preparation, coordination and negotiation. Which reinterates to me that neither Ginger nor Megs had any intention of sticking around and joining the Firm, especially Megs, whose final destination has always been Los Angeles, albeit with money, status and attention - lots and lots of attention - that being the wife of Ginger would provide. Her deplorable behaviour, her disinterest in all things Royal, her need to be the only star in the galaxy, evinces someone who's not in it for the long haul, but rather for only as long as it serves her purposes. The whinging and complaining about "rejection", "racism", "intrusion", "indifference" was all smoke and spin, the rationale required to complete Megs "this isn't working for me" rout. It was never going to work for Megs, because it's the last thing she wanted.

And now the Mistress of Destruction, after spending millions on an establishment she knew she'd never live in, after abandoning the disaster she wreaked in London for another disaster in the making in Vancouver, has achieved the goal that she's wanted from the beginning. And established yet another disaster in the making, Archewell. Which if history is any indication, will be abandoned just like everything else in Megs life as yet another fungible entity to be picked up and dropped when it no longer suits.

For Ginger, none of his wife's antics really matter, other than as an on-going embarrassment and fuck you to his Father and brother. I've never felt that Ginger Megs worked as a team, but rather in tandem, each with his own personal agenda. I can't imagine that Ginger with be able to put up for too much longer with his wife's erratic behaviour. And I'm sure even as self-absorbed a person as Ginger will tire of his wife's increasingly pointless planning and scheming, and the pull of England and home will be too hard to resist. So I'm still calling separation announcement this summer.

R256,

Apologies. My post should have been worded better. What I meant to say was that much time and attention was and continues to be required by the BRF and those in key roles in government. Covid-19 is the real crisis here, not the temper tantrums of these two adult toddlers.

For us “little people,” the neverending shit show is a welcome diversion. Whoever claimed their domain and linked it to “Gold Digger” deserves a medal.

If Harry and Markle separate or divorce, who do you think gets the kid? Who wants Archie more? Does Harry move back to the UK or stay in the US?

Merchie is Megalomaniac's meal ticket, she'd be trading in the kid and give up on him in exchange for dosh only, so it would take the BRF a FUCKING lot of dough to get him out of Megsy's claws of (non existent) maternal love.

I can't see the BRF spending a vast amount of cash in order to get hold of the seventh in line to the throne, though.

Taking away all the glitz, here’s what they are, essentially: two (nearly) middle-aged, unemployed homeless people.

That they drag around a baby and two dogs is just icing on the cake. If you want to be a vagabond living in unoccupied vacation homes, that’s cool. But subjecting a baby and dogs to the migrant lifestyle isn’t.

What R265 said. Doria wasn't maternal. Neither is Megs. Archie is just another chip to be played for HER max benefit. Archie will end up much like Ginger did. Cared for by various servants until such time as he's old enough to ship off to boarding school. Then holidays with Ginger, perhaps a bit of time with Wills, Kate and the cousins.

R264, good question. Meghan has ready-made ammo. If they fight her, it’s racism. If they don’t fight hard enough, they don’t care because he’s part black.

Either way she’s the victim.

R267, there won't be any holidays for lil' Merchie with his royal cousins. Even if William and Kate offered such an arrangement - you can bet pretty much your entire belongings on Megs preventing such an arrangement. Remember - she fucking hates William and Kate.

Archie will very likely never get to know George, Charlotte and Louis unless he is taken to the UK by his father.

After the separation and divorce respectively, that is.

Don't be fooled, everything you are seeing happen now was cooked up by Harry and Meghan long before their wedding day. It was the scam they played on the Royal Family and British Public to secure Meghan a title and still let her have the Hollywood career she craved and home in LA.

The longer it has gone on, the more I feel William was onto their plan very early on and was attempting to thwart it. This is why MM detests the Cambridges so much, because they see through her. Put it this way, if this was a Hollywood Thriller, these two would have suffered a dramatic and elaborate death by now, after Mental Megs fixed the breaks on their car whilst they were driving down a cliff!

"SussexRoyal" should be a name for a brand of bath towels.

If Meghan were one quarter as smart as her little slavelings give her credit for, she would have made Kate her very best friend forever. From there she could have surfed over any media OR family wave, with her deeply beloved best friend vouching for her.

She's actually dumb, is our Megs, and she's leading an even dumber Harry.

This will not end well.

I'm in agreement with poster upthread who said this was cooked up between the two before they were even engaged. I have to say I resisted the notion for awhile, and that's because, like so many others, I didn't guess at the extent of Harry's emotional unmooring, his anger, his unresolved Mummy issues, and his stupidity.

This, of course, will never be accepted by Meghan's frauenstans, because their anger is dependent upon the narrative that she was driven out and set up to fail.

The NEW YORKER article is fluff and could have come right out of maybe not the DM, but certainly Vanity Fair, and is below the level the NEW YORKER usually displays, and it DOES leave out any mention of the less savoury aspects of how Meghan and Harry behaved toward the BRF - just as the piece calls her a "star" when she was a C-list actress with one job to her credit. It mentions racism and quotes headlines, but fails to note how the family bent over backwards to make Meghan feel welcome, and how tolerant the Queen was of the many nasty gestures that Meghan made on her rocky course toward the EXIT door.

It was biased, shit journalism.

The other shock, of course, following realisation that this is what Harry and Meghan planned all along and how they deceived with no queasiness at all Harry's family and the institution to which they both now owed so much, is how badly the BRF handled the matter. Surely, they must have realised quickly that they'd been played - why leave them their titles and their royal patronages like the National Theatre and their HRHs and Charles' support when it was clear that Harry had no qualms about betraying them all from the get-go?

I wonder if they know something more about his mental state than we do, or if they still think that the tolerant hand has the best chance of reeling him back in one day?

Enquiring minds want to know.

"Merchie" funny stuff, that made me laugh

R245 - What exactly are the stories being reported regarding Meghan & Harry's of the abuse of staff? I have not read one story giving any details.

R258 - She is listed in promotional material for "The Elephant Documentary" as Meghan, The Duchess of Sussex. I just checked this out before posting my comment.

Well, R245, you could try this for starters re abuse of staff; it mentions several incidents involving Meghan.

R276 - I take anything written in The Sun, The Express, The Daily Mail, Us Weekly, InTouch or People Magazine with a huge grain of salt.

The article did not go into details as what the demands and/or demanding behavior actually was.

Oh, I see. r277

Megstans: St. Meghan would NEVER abuse staff! She is perfection. Prove it to me, you nasty accusers!!

The Rest of the World: Well, there's this valued member of BRF staff, who worked for them for years and who was assigned to Meghan, who suddenly quit. And then weirdly enough, after this person suddenly quit, the BRF broke all protocol in order to make a public apology to her.

Megstans: That woman is a RAYCISSSS

The Rest of the World: That woman is a person of colour.

Megstans: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! I'm Melllltinnnggggggggg

R273 The major mistake was the RF trying to keep under wraps Meghan and Harry wanting out of The Firm. Apparently, The Queen was told before Archie was born the couple wanted out. This was less than a year after they had got married. Harry was told it would take a significant amount of time to work out how he could leave the RF and still retain his protections, where he could live etc. It is highly complex for Royals to live in other countries. Aspects were probably highly muddled because Harry would have been telling the Palace they wanted to live in Canada, when the reality was they planned to go to LA. By Christmas they were clearly panicking as they had believed they would be out (by that time) and had made deals with the likes of Oprah Winfrey. So they held the Queen to random and released the now infamous Instagram post.

I believe the palace had naively thought given time Harry and Meghan would settle down and move into Frogmore and be more happy. But the truth was, they were lying about their reasons for wanting to leave. They'd plotted everything since before they were married. The decent thing Harry should have done was leave the UK to marry Meghan in the US and live out there with her from the beginning. Had he done this, the whole of the UK would have supported him. However it looks both parties (he and Meghan) wanted to have their cake and eat it. Harry wanted to remain a serving Royal whilst living in the US and Meghan wanted to become a working Hollywood Actress but also obtain a Royal title. Meghan couldn't be expected to know why this could never happen, but Harry should have done. He was arrogant and very stupid!

The cruel part of their plan was them knowing there would be necessity for them to create a whole story as to why they could no longer serve as royals. Made up press intrusion, racism, the trauma of his Mother's death, his brother's behaviour etc. In fairness, Meghan is being painted as the sole orchestrator to this, but Harry has demonstrated somewhat sociopathic behaviour himself. Allowing his country, his family and the institution he was raised into, to be demonised to serve the purpose of enabling him and his wife to procure everything they wanted.

The reality is, their plan has pretty much failed. They are being allowed to keep their titles in a year trial period and can return to the RF at the end of this year. However, the Royal Brand they attempted to commercialise on has been stopped. Their commercial potential has been curtailed and they are now seen as being very much 'ex royals' with zero direction and no commercial appeal.

The irony is, in 2017 had Harry simply announced he was getting married to American Meghan, leaving his role in the RF and going off to live with his wife in the US, the whole of Britain would have cheered for him and seen him as having some kind of lovely happy ending. He would have been welcomed with open arms in the US, had business opportunities thrown at him. Similarly, Meghan's profile (on Suits) would have been raised dramatically and she would have been offered Hollywood film parts. The public would never have accused her of capitalising, as she would never have been a working member of the Royal Family and three years later in 2020, they would have been thoroughly established as a famous and wealthy US couple with no negative PR.

More casualties of COVID-19. I wonder what their current status would be if not for this pandemic? They'd be swanning around, basking in their freedom, giving interviews. People loathe selfish, out-of-touch celebrities now. While H&M are huddled in a rented Malibu mansion, the Cambridges are rallying Britain. This is exactly the kind of attention M wanted from the beginning but ironically, bailed on it all months too soon. Oh well!

Poor. Meg.

Covid19 is so RACIST against her!

[quote]People loathe selfish, out-of-touch celebrities now. While H&M are huddled in a rented Malibu mansion, the Cambridges are rallying Britain.

Indeed, H&M's timing is flawlessly bad, drawing glaring attention to their entire dog's dinner of misadventure. For anyone who has the time to care.

The entire mood of the UK is undergoing a seismic shift, and we're only three weeks into lockdown. The status of key workers is now justly elevated. 'All in it together' is for once a reasonable slogan.

The only basic analogy the UK has to work with in this crisis is WWII, which The Queen deftly alluded to in one of her fine recent broadcasts. H&M relocating to the 'entertainment capital of the world' right now looks like the most tone deaf choice imaginable. It'll be a long way back if Harry ever tries to make it.

Housewives Extra: Haz and Megs At Home!

The Elephant credit is Meghan Markle, not MDoS

Although Harry pimped her out for this Disney Elephant gig, I do have to give her credit. I admire her for getting into the prosthetic trunk and ears to play this part.

The parallels to Edward and Wallis are really amazing. Just like they spent the crisis period of WW II lolling about in a sun-drenched climate doing nothing, so are Meghan & Harry during the current crisis period. I don't think the British people will forget their shirking anytime soon.

Harry clearly has hated the British and general public for years, yet bizarrely is enraged when they don’t hang in his every word and adore him.

He should be thrilled that the world wants nothing to do with him anymore, because that’s what he claims he’s always wanted.

What the fuck?

Question for the posters complaining about the content of this thread:

Would you prefer that there be no discussion at all? Just silence?

Call me nuts, but I don’t think Meghan and Harry’s long-term plans include getting ignored by the general public.

[quote]The parallels to Edward and Wallis are really amazing. Just like they spent the crisis period of WW II lolling about in a sun-drenched climate doing nothing,

What was the opinion of the British public about Wallis and Edward after the war? Were they popular or did the public have enough of them?

Edward was a Nazi, so he was kept out of the way and happy so not to cause any trouble

R290 He wasn't happy about being kept out of the way in the Bahamas for the duration.

r291

Winston Churchill told him to stay there or risk court martial. He was happy to be there out of the way.

He was not allowed into England (except for one brief visit) till after the war.

He was a whiner. He admitted he could've had a lot of well paying jobs in the private sector but that would mean giving up his government benefits.

He thought the public would rally around him but he was a professional victim and the public didn't like him. And WWII made George and Elizabeth immensely popular, for the way they handled it.

And this whole thing is mute, you're comparing an ACTUAL KING to someone who is sixth in line to the thone.

[quote] And this whole thing is mute

What? Couldn't hear that.

The word is moot, not mute.

The Duke of Windsor did his stint in the Bahamas and the UK govt thought he did ok enough to offer him another tropical mini-colony to lord it over, Bermuda, which he refused. He outlined what he though he deserved: a sort of roving ambassadorship in the US with a massive entertainment budget so he and Wallis could tour having parties to 'rally US support for Britain'. Even Churchill, who was formerly a supporter, said - ok, just fuck off' (I paraphrase). He spent the rest of the wat in sulky retirement complaining to anyone who would listen that his talents were not being utilised.

The Duke of Windsor was just exhausting. Insufferable man who thought he should own the whole world.

[quote] He spent the rest of the war in sulky retirement

Edward was gov of the Bahamas 18 August 1940 -16 March 1945. He resigned the post. The Nazis surrendered 8 May 1945. The rest of the war was 7 weeks, so I am not sure what R295 means; R295?

Perhaps it would have been better if the Harkles had been sent of as governor-general somewhere; there are lots of jobs like that. It would not have been LA, but at least they would have been a long way from Kensington Palace and Windsor Castle; a mansion of their own to live in with lots of security all paid for by the host country. The Bahamas still have one, but Bermuda does not. The Bahamas would not have been suitable, though, because of the relationship with Wallis and Edw.

R292 sounds exactly like Harry.

Doesn't he just, r298

Edward Windsor wanted back into the Royal Family inner circle, that's why he settled in France and not the US. He kept trying to get closer and closer to the UK.

The major difference with Edward Windsor was the fact he had been King of England! He was a big deal. Harry was so far down the pecking order, he really doesn't have any place believing he and his wife are this important.

His similarities are more akin to Princess Margaret than his Great, Great Uncle. Princess Margaret behaved appallingly and believed she was one of the singular most important people on the planet. There must be something incredibly unique that happens in the rearing of these secondary siblings of future monarchs, whereby they are (on one hand) made to feel unimportant and on the other hand, indulged and spoilt and given a life void of responsibility.

There is a fantastic line in the third season of The Crown, whereby the Queen refers to herself as dull and Margaret exciting. Philip reminds her that the Windsors break into two types of person the selfish and reckless and the seemingly dull but dutiful. It really is true!

There will never be another Royal Governor-General of anywhere. Commonwealth counties want one of their own in that position, not some feckless leech.

R280 - In reality, the Cambridges are doing very little.

What little they are doing they are not doing very well.

[quote] the Cambridges are doing very little.

Then fortunately for them, they can still appear magnificent in comparison to the downmarket couple, Meghan and Harry.

R303 - If you married into the British Royal Family, how many days do you think you would last before you totally pissed off someone very important.

I would last about 5 minutes!

If I married into the BRF, I would shut my mouth, do the work and enjoy the massive and disproportionate perks.

If I married in, I would be the second coming of Queen Mary of Teck so far as the Royal collections go. I'd spend every spare second I had looking through the archives and cataloging china and art, and I'd champion every historical conservation charity out there. None of the modern Royals seem overly interested in that particular niche, so it would be all mine.

I knight the Archie as "Lord Poopy Pants of Malibu"

R306 The queen was famously acquisitive of other people's china and arts. An appreciative glance or a murmured compliment and you were supposed to have the Meissen crated up and shipped out to her. For smaller items she would do-it-herself and slip them into the royal purse as she glided by, not even trying to distract you from what she was doing.

Yes. I would absolutely do that if I were in her shoes, R308.

GIVE ME THAT CLOCK PEASANT.

When Queen Mary was coming to stay, the good stuff was put in storage. But it was a dilemma: you wanted to impress; but the cost of doing so meant that you would be expected to gift the impressive stuff to her, if she expressed a liking. Some refused to yield and were ostracized. Unfortunately for Meghs, even if she had stuck around she wasn't gonna become queen.

How did they afford this house? The paper said they already bought a $32 million home in Vancouver and some $15 million home in Beverly Hills, then some other $10 million house in Los Angeles and now this $12 million home? Why do they need all of these homes?

How can they afford 4 homes?

Meissen

"Perhaps it would have been better if the Harkles had been sent of as governor-general somewhere; there are lots of jobs like that."

If some British politician wants to do a bit of trolling, he could nominate Harry for Governor-General of Bermuda.

Oddly, there is not a governor-general in Bermuda. But there is a governor; and as Bermuda is a British Overseas Territory (not a Commonwealth realm like The Bahamas) the Bermudians have much less say about who is appointed governor. It really is too bad that the Harkles didn't go down the Bermuda route; there's also the BVI and the Cayman Islands. It could all have been so different and so much better for them. Or Turks & Caicos. Meghs could have become the queen of a tropical paradise.

All this could have been hers.

Another view of the mansion. But she would rather spend $12m on Mel Gibson's place. There is something wrong with the Harkles' strategy. The tactics are also very poor.

I did come to have a look dears, as I though Harry and Meghan might like it. Not exactly an economy, but still.

Grace had Monaco. Meghan could have had Bermuda or somewhere and you can be sure that with a mansion like that her A-list friends would have been queuing up to come and stay. The Clownies, Oprah, the Williamses ... the locals would have been thrilled at being on the jet set itinerary; the economy would have done very well under the benign patronage of the Harkles in Government House, paid for by the taxpayer.

Is the Bermuda Government House really a palatial residence or just a residence, or is it the seat of government and full of civil servants? Political residences are really generally good-looking office buildings with some space set aside for living quarters, like the White House and Buckingham Palace.

Not that anyone would offer Harry any sort of political job these days, he's stupid and work-shy.

"Government House is the official residence of the Governor of Bermuda. It is located on Langton Hill, overlooking the North Shore in Hamilton, Pembroke. Government House is also the official residence of the Bermudian head of state (currently Queen Elizabeth II) when staying in Bermuda. Government House is used for national and ceremonial functions, as well as receptions and meetings with foreign dignitaries and heads of state. As well as being the official residence of the Governor's family, it is also a working office employing executive, secretarial and domestic staff for the Governor and the Deputy Governor (who resides elsewhere). Although the Governor is Queen Elizabeth II's representative, appointed by the British Government, the upkeep of Government House (and the Governor's own salary, staff and other expenses) is the responsibility of the Government of Bermuda."

The Duke of Windsor was a former King of England and Emperor of India. Harry is .. well... Harry.

I don't agree that H and M planned all along to leave the BRF. I think she had a naive vision of being global superstars with photo ops in Africa etc, and then returning to a life of opulence in the BRF and in between times, consorting with the rich and famous on their yachts. But very soon she realised that there were people opposed to her, especially the courtiers. I don't believe it was because of inherent racism. I think they despised her background and resented her assumptions and lack of acquiescence. I also think Harry was always seen as the family lightweight, the family joke, someone who needed to be managed. And the dislike of MM grew because the BRF and the courtiers whose livelihood depends on the BRF's continued existence know very well that they are on shaky ground, and the last thing they need is a bolshy foreigner coming in and rocking the boat, especially one that a relatively useless member like Harry has brought in. The deal is, you can marry into a family, but if you join a family business, whether it's the BRF, the Mafia or a mum and dad grocery store, you support it 100% or they will unite against you.

The other thing is, Harry's lifelong circle of aristo friends closed ranks against her. They barely tolerate Kate, and she's been around for 20 years. But again, it was not racism; it was her behaviour. North Americans can and do fit in, eg, Lizzy Wilson, Dave Clark and Autumn Phillips. But not ones who behave like MM. Meghan is a combination of someone who has been very spoiled and at the same time quite insecure, plus having had to hustle in a competitive field her whole working life. She is not going to be pliant and grateful to be allowed in. How could she possibly relate to them, given the huge difference between her background and theirs?

As to Harry's part in all this - he's been a fuck-up and a loser for most of his life. Marrying someone like MM is just the latest blunder. But he's a proud man and so he's nailed his flag to the mast. He's counting on her to create success for them. But hey - if you can't bloom where you're planted...plant yourself where you can bloom. Maybe LA will work out better for them than the UK did.

I went looking for the quora answer to "Is MM a nice person" which details all of the abuse and teapot throwing on the Australian tour as retold by people who worked with her only to find it's been scrubbed from the net.

Wish I had screenshot it.

[quote]The Elephant credit is Meghan Markle, not MDoS

I saw a TV ad for it and they advertised her as MDoS on that

R322 It won't just have been a case of people like William and Harry's friends meeting MM and not liking her. The Royal Family (as a firm) have to be incredibly careful who attempts to get close to them or penetrate the inner circle. There are many corrupt or dangerous people who attempt to get access to the Royal Family (case in point Jimmy Saville and Jeffrey Epstein) and many slip through the net. But with potential spouses 'The Firm' would have their ways of sending out feelers and asking people questions to get opinions on new individuals. Harry knows exactly how the RF works, and he kept Meghan a secret from everyone for a long time. From what I understand, Harry only started fulling telling the likes of William and his friends about Meghan when he had already decided he was serious. He had previously seen people like Caroline Flack, so I guess William and the RF just thought Meghan was another of his FB's who he would tire of and move on.

When the RF started realising Harry was making noises about marrying Meghan, they would have done their research. They are so incredibly well connected, it wouldn't have been long before they were able to get the lowdown on her. What must have come back was that A) she was safe, in the sense she did not have any corruption or wrongdoing in her life and B) she was a ruthless social climber and not at all suited to the life of a Royal Wife. William then attempted to talk to Harry and request he wait before going into marriage, as he didn't know MM well enough. William knew his brother and likely knew he was given to impulsion and if he could get him to wait a few months, he would lose interest and end things with her. However, Harry took great exception to William casting doubt on his 'future wife's suitability' and it caused a huge fall out. Meghan would have been one step ahead of William and known the RF would attempt to scupper her plans to marry the Prince, so she got in there first and started drip feeding the poison to Harry "you are great person" "I don't think your brother wants you to shine Harry", "I love you Harry and I will walk away from you, rather than cause upset for you as your family clearly don't like me". This is why he reacted so aggressively when William did question MM.

R325, I agree with your point of view, but there's also the story that MM yachted for Harry's ex-bff Tom Inskip and Tom assumed that Harry wanted her for the same. Consequently, Skippy was banned.

R325 Ah I didn't know that was what it was all about. I knew that Tom Inskip was utterly banished from Harry's life and I also knew that it was Inskip who had been the key person who had spoken to William and told him he was concerned about who Harry was dating.

This would likely be what it was all about. Inskip already knew MM from her 'entertaining days'.

It must have been horrible for Meghan to be around the Cambs and Harry's aristo circle knowing they all saw her as a whore. For Harry, too. I wonder if everyone else knew.

R325, did Harry banish Skippy, or vice versa?

It really is simpler than that. Harry and Meghan simply did no know their place. It has nothing to do with her race or background or even her reported bitchy attitude. Harry is 6th in line and he wanted to be top dog. Even if he married some virginal, lily-white aristo they would have run into the same problems if they had the same attitude. Most of Meghan's supporters really fail to understand this.

The BRF all comes down to pecking order and where you fall in the pecking order. It was definitely a mistake to push that "Fab Four" crap early on. Because it gave the impression that Harry was on equal footing with his brother when he's not. When it comes to things like assigning tours, engagements and patronages, doling out homes, lending tiaras and basically everything else under the sun the bottom line is that Will and Kate were gonna get consideration and preference ahead of Harry and Meghan.

Your place in a monarchy isn't a popularity contest. Harry thought because he was so popular that it made him special and that he and his wife deserved everything Will and Kate got. It sucks to constantly have to play second fiddle to your older brother your whole life but that's just the way it is. Harry never completely accepted that, and Meghan probably encouraged him to fight against it.

I'm sure it wasn't easy that everyone hated her. But she could have gone a long way to softening at least some of that if she attempted to fit in to their world. Instead, she tried to bend their world to fit her agenda. Instead, they pulled shit like "What Meghan wants Meghan gets!" They didn't quite like learning that they don't get whatever they want. They actually get what the 6th in line gets, which isn't quite the same thing.

Definitely Harry banished Skippy. I think he wasn't even invited to the wedding. MM must give a hell of a blowjob for Harry to marry someone his friends had passed around.

R311 - The Sussexes have not purchased any homes.

I agree with R330. Meghan, with Harry's support, kept pushing for more freedom and a higher rung on the ladder of the hierarchy than is accorded the 6th in line.. They wanted their own, independent "court" at Windsor to fly their woke global superstardom flag freely.

Harry and Meghan could have obtained and accomplished much of what they wanted had they agreed to the basic rules of the game, but I don't think Meghan is temperamentally suited to being in a secondary, supporting role. I'm also not sure there was a way to appease Harry's jealousy at being left out of the top circles.

In any event, it's too bad that they couldn't find a way to work it out, but it's probably for the best.

Are the Sussexes still planning to split their time between the UK and the US? That plan was part of the half-in/half-out manifesto, so I assume it's dead in the water. I can't see Meghan and Archie going back to the UK for any length of time unless they're in dire financial straits.

R330 - That's the same mistake Diana made: thinking it was a popularity contest and the BRF wouldn't dare turn on the nation's adored Princess of Wales. She was wrong - and she was in a far stronger position than Harry and Meghan, both in terms of star quality and hierarchical position. Diana and Meghan were/are both strong fantasists - it's a not uncommon trait amongst narcissists, or in show business for that matter: strong fantasist tendencies are helpful to actors, for obvious reasons. But those tendencies aren't too helpful in off-stage life or in relationships.

I think the BRF felt that if the marriage failed, after all, Harry was only sixth in line and they could deal with that, and I doubt they missed that she was an opportunist bailing out of a lacklustre career at the 11th hour with a golden meal ticket. But so what, with how far down Harry was and the dutiful, fecund Kate producing sufficient barriers unto the next generation.

What I don't think they grasped was 1) just how angry and ill-suited to the life HARRY was, and 2) that there's a difference between a climber who once she gets the prize, happily pays for it with gratitude and buying into the institution and accepting its constraints, and one who is only in it for the name but doesn't want to play the game.

That's what separates Meghan from Kate.

The BRF probably hoped that marriage, almost any marriage, would "settle" Harry into his life. What they missed was that he was looking for a marriage that would get him out of the life. Maybe that's what William sensed that the rest didn't: that his brother was on the brink that this woman would push him over into.

I suppose any family could have made the same mistake. People do make mistakes when they're too close up to see the forest for the trees.

As a C-list actress (at best) you would think Meghan would be an expert at playing second fiddle

R336 - Yes, but that's just what she was tired of: playing second fiddle.

Meghan wanted a starring role. She probably began hatching these plans with Harry before they were even engaged because, contrary to other assumptions, she understood very well that even if she became a "star" royal, she would always be behind Kate, her husband would get farther and father behind his brother as nature took its course with the Queen and Charles, and that her children would always be less than the Cambridge kids - increasingly so as William became Prince of Wales and in the fullness of time, King.

In the event, she flunked the royal game, antagonised rather than endeared herself to the UK public, and figured she had more to gain by as much notoriety as possible as she knew she was headed out the door in a short time.

That's where Meghan made her second big mistake: thinking she didn't need to do well at being royal, all she needed was the global attention - she'd have gotten just as much attention as the New Girl on the Block by doing her duty and earning the family's and the nation's respect and appreciation. The first was antagonising the British press a year before she was even engaged.

I have always maintained, and still do, that Meghan believes she's a long-term strategist, but she isn't: she's a short-term tactician, and she can't control her competitive, spiteful instincts, which often get in the way of longer-term interests.

R335, great insight, great comment.

The idea that they’ll split their time between North America and the U.K. was face-saving hogwash. She’ll go back there if she’s visiting Elton John or the Clooneys. And no one should expect her to be traveling back to second-rate Canada for anyone less than Trudeau. Harry might visit his homeland for a funeral.

I think Harry was tired of playing second fiddle, too. If he wanted out of the BRF, it was only because he knew his position had already peaked and it was nowhere but down from there. For some mysterious reason, he is under the impression that Meghan is some huge Hollywood star. They are getting attention but for all the wrong reasons. This will end in tears for him. MM is using Harry to advance her position but will eventually leave him for someone much higher on the ladder. Harry will slink back to the UK with his tail between his legs.

I still think they could have made life in the BRF work. They were slated to get the big KP apartment until William became aware that MM was leaking info. There are plenty of UK designers whose work is at least as good as the horrible continental designer clobber MM wore. Kate is a woman with normal female instincts but she seems able to get on with everyone else in the family and MM could have remained on cordial terms with her, especially as they had things in common, dogs and children. The York girls seem quite nice and I think Fergie would have befriended her, as she is fond of Harry. William and Camilla would have been a problem, but a few years of getting on with the job and not making waves would have softened them.

Harry and Meghan have pledged funds to a Huger Charity in the UK.

[quote] The couple pledged just over £90,000 to the charity Feeding Britain for its programs across the UK, which provide families in need with hot meals and food packages. The funds have been called a "godsend" by the organization's national director, Andrew Forsey, and come from excess profits from the BBC's royal wedding broadcast.

It's nice of them to promise more of Harry's dad's money, R341. Super sweet. I wonder if they asked Charles before they did that or just put out the press release to obligate him for it?

[quote]Meghan believes she's a long-term strategist, but she isn't: she's a short-term tactician, and she can't control her competitive, spiteful instincts, which often get in the way of longer-term interests.

Which could easily also describe Princess Diana. Harry and his Mummy issues . . .

So generous, donating money that isn't even theirs

But have the pledged funds actually been donated?

The money is "excess" BBC profits from the wedding (whatever that means). The money couldn't go to Harry and Meghan as royals, but the BBC let them choose a charity to benefit. The timing is interesting though. Also, I wonder if this is all of the excess profits.

It's still a good thing.

Excess profits off their wedding?

How vulgar.

R345, yes it’s very hedgy language. I pledged to eat under 20g carbs every day, but that doesn’t always happen.

They really ought to quit trying to shoehorn themselves into the headlines like this. I realize Meghan is desperate to build her profile before everyone forgets about them, but this is building the wrong sort of buzz.

They couldn’t cough up an extra 10k?

[quote]Harry and his Mummy issues . . .

He has no mummy issues, his issue is he wants to be king, more than Rosie O'Donnell wants to get married and adopt more kids.

[quote]Kate is a woman with normal female instincts but she seems able to get on with everyone else in the family

Kate has been plotting to be queen of England since the day she realized there was an England. She would get along with Hitler if it meant she could be queen.

Excess profits off their wedding?

How vulgar.

R347 - You have NO idea what you are talking about or commenting on.

The excess profits came from the BBC overseas broadcast rights. The BBC was allowed to make a profit of a certain amount. Anything over the "certain amount" was considered "excess profits".

R344 - You do not know what you are talking about. Why are you so spiteful?

R345 - Yes, The money has been turned over to the Archbishop of Cantebary who is President of the charity to which the money was donated.

Smeg and Harry were offered a Governor-Generalship in Bermuda? When?

R355 - Meghan and Harry were NOT offered a Governor-Generalship in Bermuda as I do not believe Bermuda has a Governor-General.

The Town and Country article says "the money is expected to arrive this week."

R352 - You already posted that elsewhere and no, she wasn't, but nice try. And, as I responded the first time . . . it's not Queen of "England" you fucking cunt moron, it's Queen of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Open a book and a calendar and see what century this is.

And it was Meghan's predecessor, Wallis Simpson, the American divorcee (ring a bell?) who smiled up at Hitler kissing her hand.

R344 R345 - It isn't their money and it isn't Charles: it's "extra" left over from revenue generated by the BBC's broadcast of their wedding. It was part of the deal ( as it was for the Cambridges) that revenues over a certain amount would be set aside for a charity fund to be selected by the Happy Couple.

"Meghan Markle and Prince Harry have donated more than $112,000 generated from their royal wedding broadcast to the U.K. charity Feeding Britain amid the coronavirus pandemic, PEOPLE confirms.

A spokesperson for the Duke and Duchess of Sussex said they are “delighted” to see the money go to “such a great cause.”

It had been understood that any excess profits from the BBC broadcast of their May 19, 2018 ceremony would be donated to a charity of the couple’s choosing. An estimated 1.9 billion people tuned in to watch the couple’s royal wedding at St. George’s Chapel in Windsor Castle."

So in point of fact, it's the BBC's money. All Harry and Meghan did was point to the charity. It cost them literally nothing - not one penny. The opening of the article that the couple "donated" anything is completely misleading.

They donated nothing.

At least the Grosvenor and Clooney donations were their own.

What was Meghan's deal in Australia? Was she acting bitchy?

Princess Anne tells younger royals: Don’t try to reinvent the wheel

The Princess Royal describes herself as a ‘boring old fuddy-duddy’ in an interview with Vanity Fair before her 70th birthday

Wednesday April 15 2020, 5.00pm BST, The Times

The Princess Royal has always been famously outspoken, from swearing at photographers to suggesting that people eat horse meat to improve animal welfare. Now she has delivered a word of caution to the younger generation of royals, warning them not to change the royal family’s approach to philanthropy.

Anne, who has always vied with the Prince of Wales for the position of the hardest-working member of the family, described herself as “the boring old fuddy-duddy at the back saying: ‘Don’t forget the basics’.”

In an interview with Vanity Fair magazine before her 70th birthday in the summer, she said that the younger generation were trying to “reinvent the wheel”.

But the new approaches do not always work, she said.

The princess did not refer to any royal family members in particular, but the Duke and Duchess of Sussex have quit royal duties this year as they prepare to launch a charitable venture, Archewell, from the United States.

During the interview, Anne described how she spent a decade doing groundwork with Save the Children, one of her patronages, before she understood enough about how the charity worked to feel confident about contributing to its debates.

“I don’t think this younger generation probably understands what I was doing in the past and it’s often true, isn’t it?” she said.

“You don’t necessarily look at the previous generation and say: ‘Oh, you did that?’ Or: ‘You went there?’

“Nowadays, they’re much more looking for: ‘Oh, let’s do it a new way.’ And I’m already at the stage, ‘Please do not reinvent that particular wheel’.

“We’ve been there, done that. Some of these things don’t work. You may need to go back to basics.”

The princess also appeared to raise questions about the Queen’s future, seemingly suggesting a day may come when she passes more of her responsibilities over to her family.

She said: “I think both my father and my mother have, quite rightly, made decisions about, you know, ‘I can’t spend enough time doing this and we need to find somebody else to do it’, because it makes sense.

“I have to admit they continued being there for a lot longer than I had in mind, but we’ll see.”

The Duke of Edinburgh retired in 2017, but the Queen, who turns 94 next week, still carried out nearly 300 official duties last year.

Anne also discussed her aversion to technology and her thrifty fashion sense.

“I find it very difficult to understand why anybody gets sucked into screens and devices,” she said.

“Life’s too short, frankly. There’s more entertaining things to be done. I suppose that puts me in the real dinosaur range.” A black and white archive image of Anne appears on the cover of Vanity Fair’s May edition.

The princess, who is known for wearing decades-old outfits, claimed that she recycles “because I’m quite mean”.

She said it was important to support British clothing manufacturers, and that she still tried to buy materials and have them made up because “that’s more fun”.

The princess insisted she would not be retiring any time soon. “I don’t think retirement is quite the same (for me),” she said. “Most people would say we’re very lucky not to be in that situation because you wouldn’t want to just stop. It is, to a large extent, the choice of the organisations you’re involved with and whether they feel you’re still relevant.”

The interview took place on the day it was announced that her son, Peter Phillips, was separating from his Canadian wife Autumn.

She did not comment on the news, but made it clear how much she enjoyed being a hands-on grandmother to their girls Savannah, nine, and Isla, eight, and Zara and Mike Tindall’s children Mia, six, and Lena, one.

The full interview is available in the May issue of Vanity Fair, out in print and digital on Friday, April 17.

Love Princess Anne. I wish she were going to be Queen.

Love Anne as well. Straight talking and no frills or nonsense.

[quote]And the dislike of MM grew because the BRF and the courtiers whose livelihood depends on the BRF's continued existence know very well that they are on shaky ground, and the last thing they need is a bolshy foreigner coming in and rocking the boat

Did the poster who wrote this, above, come straight from CB (the board who shall not be named). The "courtiers" are not on any shaky ground, there are plenty of them in needed roles to keep the whole endeavor that is the BRF going and not imploding. Sara Latham, for example, is a "courtier", as a Comm Director. Most of these people are young men and women working in pr/comms and operations roles in BP, KP, and Clarence House.

People like Lainey and the CB dolts keep referring to 'viper courtiers' as the source of all of the Sussexes woes, like Tommy Lascelles is somehow still alive and crawling the halls of BP. The coterie of people like him - wealthy, connected aristos or old money Brits, all male, who guided the monarchy - are long dead and gone. They've been replaced by a younger, more middle class, more modern cohort of professionals, mostly culled from the UK military and corporate PR ranks.

People have such delusional views of how the monarchy works these days.

I am so enjoying the intelligent comments above and very impressed by their writer’s talents.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

Harry is clearly spending his time in lock down using drugs and avoiding showers

Pot. Head.

Some of the more prolific posters in these threads are so well informed, knowledgeable and possessed of common sense that they it embarrassing for the hit-and-run stans who drop in with their daggers out for Kate and the Family and think they have accomplished something.

^ they make it embarrassing

Same background he used when canceling Invictus from “Canada”.

What a fucking liar.

Who was going to pay for that lavish party?

Here's the Vanity Fair Princess Anne interview. They chose a great photo for the cover.

So while we have the two attention whores making a huge production of “donating” money never theirs, look at this 99 year old WWII veteran.

He better not be getting high around Archie. You know Megs has her iphone out and is recording EVERYTHING, for the divorce/tabloids, here in a year or so. If you all think the garbage spread in public by Amber Heard and Johnny Depp was tawdry and embarrassing, wait a while, Megs is will ask y'all to 'Hold her beer' and entertain you.

They should both jump off a bridge.

Was it in KP or BP that Meghan was caught secretly taking pictures in area that was supposed to be off limits?

Sickening that they’re bemoaning the loss of hosting their own “Welcome to L.A.” party *for themselves* and namedropping all over the place in a middle of a pandemic.

Who gives a shit what celebrities they claim to know right now when thousands of Americans are dying every day. What the duck is wrong with these asdholes?

Fuck!

Harry certainly is playing his unemployed and homeless part to the tee!

Women are giving birth alone. Elderly people are dying alone. Suck people are dying alone. There are no funerals.

But they missed an opportunity to welcome themselves to Tinseltown. Boohoo!

^^ sick people

Come on R378. They're being SO private now. They were compelled to leak the Archewell stuff, the BBC donation story (with Archbishop name-dropping galore) and Harry's latest zoom thingie pretending that he didn't hop on a plane and wave goodbye to the UK a long time ago. And you know Archie is 11 months old now, right? 11 months means that he's almost 1. Yes, that means he'll be 1 soon, if you haven't heard about it yet. And Archie turning 1 is huge.

^Oh, and SS says you can donate to select charities to honor Master Archie turning 1 (and it will help with the #pandemic too.)

It will mean so much to Archie to be surrounded by superficial Hollywood industry types clambering up the social ladder on his first birthday! I mean really, who needs to be surrounded by family at a time like this?

Never fear. Archie will have a zoom birthday with Meghan's closest celebrity friends and we'll hear all about it in Harpers Bazaar or on Omid's twitter.

They’re really disgusting.

The DM had a quote from an insider who said that Archie's first birthday party was a "special" event. Then I remembered how she overused the word "special" to describe every event (H's first father's day) that she posted on the Sussex instagram account.

Sounds like the party was going to be a combination of a first birthday party and a housewarming party. Gifts! Not just the for kid, but for all three family members. I wonder if they were planning to invite neighbors that they haven't yet met (well, the famous ones).

R385, or maybe Ellen will brag about the party on her show.

Tell you what, if I showed up to a work meeting looking like Harry does in that video at r367 purporting to be engaged and the face of the charity I would be fired before the introductory pleasantries were done. Quite a display of arrogance and entitlement to say the least.

Let us see pattern here... news of looking at bazillion dollar houses in Malibu is immediately followed by pledging 90000 pounds that isnt technically their money to charity! Princess Anne throws some indirect shade, what do you think follows next? If they just disappear and stop blowing $$$ on their too obvious PR firm, maybe they can donate more to charity and they will actually sound like real noble people!

Interesting that the DM article mentions close friends, David Foster and his wife but not the Clooney’s, Oprah, Gayle, Ellen, Obamas, Beyoncé and Jay

Ellen is EXACTLY the kind of semi-celebrity that will run towards any invite from these two.

Now the photos won’t fetch as much $$. Bummer.

Are Foster and McPhee clients of Sunshine Sachs? Or has Meghan moved to their PR agency?

R365... 100% agree with you about the skilled writing and critical thinking of some of these posts.

At little Archie’s birthday party, will there be bananas with festive messages written on them?

Oh. I see that Katharine and Meghan knew each other at the “elite“ Northwestern. There’s a photo of them with their original faces, with Meghan shouldering Katharine’s tit out of her way.

Anyone ever notice how all of Meghan’s good girl friends have married millionaires?

You people are no fun. I mean, nothing says ‘toddler’s birthday party’ more than the withered visage of David Foster et al hovering around the Jolly Jumper. Archie is one lucky kid.

Are these two even living in the same house anymore?

I repeatedly see comments on DM that they have separated.

Who the fuck throws a mega-expensive, celebrity-studded birthday party for a fucking one year-old?

Kylie Jenner R399

Left off the invite list again....

Join the club, Tommy old man.

This article makes a compelling case against the courtiers, the "grey men" Diana hated.

Sorry, R403. I just don’t think that a secret cabal of palace employees got together to shove Meghan out the door. All I have read indicates she was demanding and nasty behind closed doors and so brought the disdain, if it really existed, upon herself.

They’re called Cinderellas, R396

No r403, r404 is right. There was no cabal shoving her out the door. She was planning to leave from right after she found out she was pregnant in Summer/Autumn 2018.

We know this because she and Harry started secretly trademarking hundred of merch items with the Sussex Royal logo from that point. Merching off a Royal foundation is something that would never have been allowed by the Queen, and M & H both knew that, so it's proof that they were already plotting their exit from the BRF.

It's true that they were planning to exit a lot earlier than was made public, and certainly MM's behaviour was provocative, but if the Tom Inskip story is true (and perhaps even if not), and known among the family and staff, it would have been a very hostile environment. Clearly MM had no clue as to how to treat staff, and as news spread below stairs of her abuse, I think they would have all had the knives out for her. Not all of the courtiers could readily find new jobs, and with every new Sussex outrage, there is a chorus of commenters saying the Emperor has no clothes, let's bin the lot of them.

I'm not defending her, by the way, or saying she wasn't the author of her own misfortunes. But if the Inskip story is true, MM had a lot against her trying to integrate in that world.

R322, R403

What did Meghan do, exactly, to piss off the staff?

Yet again, who knows if this is DM fiction or an actual PR leak, but it just sounds so Meghan and I very much appreciate the free entertainment.

"Their close-knit friend group will have plenty of other opportunities moving forward to come together. There are other events lined up throughout the rest of the year." and "The source added that while the lockdown is impacting many of Harry and Meghan's business and charity's plans, they are still in 'full planning mode'. .... Their desire to make their foundation a success is greater than ever. And what is happening to the world makes them more determined to do good in the world.'

R408, you’re late to the game.

r410 briefly explain, I missed the old threads.

Well, yes, r407. If the story about Tom Inskip having previously fucked her when she was on a yacht (read: prostituting herself for cash) is true, then I imagine he and whomever he told about that (William and therefore the BRF) would be less than welcoming. That wouldn't make them particularly unusual. There are few families across the world who would welcome a known prostitute as a new daughter-in-law.

In fact, if that story is true, then I think the family's behaviour was even more welcoming than I thought before. They laid out the red carpet for her and to this day have never said a negative word about her. If they did that knowing she was a whore, then they went above and beyond the call of duty.

[quote]Are the Sussexes still planning to split their time between the UK and the US?

R334. Don't be so naive. They were never planning anything of the sort. It was always Malibu. Canada was a pit stop. A facade. A sham. Canada was all bullshit. It never was going to be anything more than a springboard to California.

I'm really confused why people think they want to live life out of the fishbowl...they supposedly dumped the UK and London and the "Royal" life because it was so "awful" and the tabloids were so MEAN and they escaped all that by....

....moving to Los Angeles.

You know...the small American town without any pesky press people in it.

They left the Royal Life because they didn't want to live the dreary life of a royal...now, they very much enjoy all the perks of being a British Royal, like the money and the servants but the actual work stuff is a bore and obeying rules and protocol is a bore and they want all the fame and glitter and privilege but they don't want to do the work required or at least the work associated with the given job.

R412, your second paragraph is so well stated.

I guess what I don't get is how did Harry and Markle ever think they were going to be anything other than a peripheral player, sixth in line. Yes, liked, admired, thought of as a nice guy, but that's it, nothing more. It's still a great life with lots of benefits, but you're never going to be considered for the top job unless there is something along the line of the Moldavian Massacre and you survive.

You can be naive about a lot of things. You can be idealistic. You can even think you're better than the entire royal family. But there's one thing you have to know and that is written in stone: You are sixth in line, and you don't get what the heir apparent gets. Harry knows this. He must have told Markle this as well. What didn't she get? What didn't he get? He was nearly in his mid-30s when he got married. He knew William's role since Day One. Enjoy your life or be pissed about it, but your status in the royal family and how you're treated does not change.

R416, because they genuinely thought Harry’s popularity would never fade... and because Harry thought Meghan was a big American movie star that would rescue him.

R414. Life as a royal is full of perks. But the core essence of being a royal is one of duty and service. Markle only wanted the perks. She wanted the adulation. She didn't not want to do the work. She wants the attention, not the duty and service part.

She moved to Los Angeles to be adored, cash in and put her name of towels and mugs. That's not work. That's licensing. And then tell everyone to reduce their carbon footprint. Shes's done working unless she can be a star, the focus, the center of attention. She's not going back to anything that resembles "Suits" on cable.

Blind Item: Get That Oscar Ready

[quote]They laid out the red carpet for her

Actually, no carpet was laid down for her wedding at St. George's Chapel. Blue carpet was laid down the aisle for Eugenie's wedding.

This is hilarious.

"This is the first time we’ve heard that. Given that she is in her late thirties and has never even had a leading role in any significant production, is this realistic?

Absolutely! She has always known that she is more talented than most actresses out there. The only reason she didn’t score bigger roles in the past was because there were significant racist barriers.

Now that she is more high profile, there are fewer barriers and she is going to go for it."

Betcha Sunshine Sachs planted that blind about an Oscar. There’s just no way it’s going to happen.

I bet there has been a collective sigh of relief from all the A-listers who were invited to the party and weren't going to come.

Part of me thinks, "she really can't be THAT delusional, can she?"

But, she's shown time and time again, that she is.

As a wise man once said, “If you want drama, marry an actress.”

... and that wise man was... me.

If you want LOTS and LOTS of drama, marry a failed actress with no talent but lots and lots of delusional plans for "a big break"!

I have a question. The Harkles wanted to fly away to make their fame (even more so) and fortune. So where does this so-called foundation fit in? You don't make millions being the head of a foundation. Most the money raised goes toward the charitable cause. The rest of the money goes to administrative costs, executive director, staff, etc. Yes, you might make a decent salary, but you don't become an independently wealthy multi-millionaire.

Another question: What could a Harkle foundation do or represent that other more established global foundations don't already do with such issues as women and children, climate change, the environment, etc. What do the Harkles bring to the table. Why donate to their charity versus another charity that has been in the game for years?

Prince Charles said, "If you marry someone dramatic, the drama never stops."

You can set up a "charitable" foundation and claim overheads for 90% of donations, then donate just 10%. That's how people get rich out of charity.

Okay thanks, R430.

But my second question:

What could a Harkle foundation do or represent that other more established global foundations don't already do with such issues as women and children, climate change, the environment, etc. What do the Harkles bring to the table. Why donate to their charity versus another charity that has been in the game for years?

R428 / R431 This is exactly the point, the purpose of their nonsense foundation is to present to the public a narrative these two people are now going to spend their lives saving humanity where other foundations and charities have failed. However, the stumbling block here, is the fact the Sussex's have also stated they want to earn their own money. So it feels like the public are being told on one hand they are devoting their life to charity, but on the other hand being told they will now be self sufficient? But self sufficient from what?

This pair are too stupid to realise the public will guess immediately they are planning to use 'foundation' money for their own living expenses. Staff will be employed by 'the foundation' whose jobs it will be to arrange MM and PH's life, organise bill payments and shopping. Clothing will be purchased out of the foundation. I think from early on, benefactors will be hesitant to donate any money to this shady 'non profit'. They might have Elton or Oprah Winfrey giving them the odd $500K or $1,000,000 initially. However, the Sussex's opulent life will burn through this kind of money in a matter of weeks.

We know the ultimate goal is Meghan will secure A list acting roles and be paid eight figure sums . She probably thinks Harry will then be left dealing with 'The Foundation' whilst she can go off.

R431 and R428, you pose logical questions. The gossip fun is seeing how this all actually plays out as they try to manage the gap between their PR and their reality.

R414, speaking of escaping the tabloids, see this week's National Enquirer and Globe covers!

R432, to be fair, after losing "SussexRoyal" they abandoned the foundation idea and had been talking about a non-profit and/or supporting other foundations that are already doing good works. We'll see what iteration of their plans survives this latest setback ( coronavirus.)

The Enquirer is not holding back

R434. Yes, they lost "SussexRoyal," but it's been replaced by "Archewell," the new name of their foundation which supposedly they will officially launch (with some substance and a purpose behind it) perhaps later this year when COVID-19 subsides.

I could be wrong, but from what i read or understood from various news reports, they have not abandoned the idea of charitable foundation. They just changed the name of it--or "rebranded" it from SussexRoyal to Archewell.

R436, maybe it's just hairsplitting, but I believe in an update of their (now defunct) website and in Harry's phone call with fake Greta, they specifically said no foundation but rather an alternative. Some dross about exploring new ways to be charitable etc.

Have now found a link; read it if you get a kick out of Meghan prose.

R435, as fun as William supposedly saying "I told you so" is, I think the Globe's idea for Harry's new way to support Meghan is more fun.

[quote]We know the ultimate goal is Meghan will secure A list acting roles and be paid eight figure sums . She probably thinks Harry will then be left dealing with 'The Foundation' whilst she can go off.

R432. Markle securing A-list acting roles and being paid eight-figure sums? It seems to me that actresses of all ages and levels including A-listers are always complaining that there aren't enough roles for women. Markle is going to be 39 years old in August. She's not ancient, and she may work again in the acting profession, but she won't be making eight-figure sums. Those roles are few and far between, and Meryl Streep, Scarlett Johansson and Resse Witherspoon seem to have them all locked up. Even Meryl Streep had to pay her dues before she was getting eight-figure sums. Markle isn't that much in demand. As I said, Markle may work and maybe make a steady income for a while, but she won't be box office magic at 40-plus years old with the types of movies being made nowadays.

Such a shame they couldn't use Merchie as an excuse for a welcome to LA party

R437. Thanks for the link. Harry and Markle really are full of shit. Starting a new "nonprofit" is not going to pay for a two-bedroom flat in Long Beach never mind anything in Malibu. The link says they recently met with professors at Stanford University. Instead of a foundation, they "intend to develop a new way to effect change and complement the efforts made by so many excellent foundations globally." Oh Jesus, they excel in word salad. Okay fine, but that's certainly not a business plan. Looks like Charles will be paying for a long time to come.

Damn, it seems like the Harkles based or "hinged" their entire escape from the BRF on becoming the brand "SussexRoyal" to sell coffee mugs and towels. Without SussexRoyal, they are nothing, at least so far and for the foreseeable future. Markle must be beside herself pouting and snarling in anger. Harry is sitting there thinking, "What have I done?"

Oh, has anyone thought to ask Markle if she's okay?

^^^from R436.

The plan for using Archie's 1st birthday party as a "Welcome us to L.A., celebrities!" party rather proves that he is indeed Merchie: A living insurance policy who is looked upon as something to be exploited for gain.

Poor kid. His cross eyes might end up being a massive blessing to him, as it might make his mother stop trying to monetise him and just finally leave him to his nanny while she leaves him (in another country, yet again) to go in search of $$$$$$$$$$.

Harry is buying a pot farm?

That’s not a bad idea.

R443. Markle will think of something else. She's not going to let a little coronavirus get in her way.

R439 Also, MM will want 8 figure sums for A List parts that are empowering to women and virtuous! We all know those kind of parts don't pay shit!

Wouldn't it have been awesome if this had all happened 18 months earlier and MM was cast in that Cats film!! The stand out song in a lot of the old stage musicals won the player Best Supporting Actress Oscar (Catherine Zeta Jones/All that Jazz/Chicago, Jennifer Hudson/And I am telling you/Dreamgirls, Anne Hathaway, I Dreamed A Dream/Les Miserables). You could just see Sparkles thinking "Hold on that song Memory is in that film! It's one of the few big musical numbers that hasn't been put on film. I could follow the trend and bag an Oscar for this!". Then proceed to make a complete tit of herself in that garbled, CGI mess!!

I actually don't think she wants to get back into acting. I think they both see themselves as documentary makers. They think they are gonna produce docs about the topics near and dear to their hearts. They are completely delusional. And with that Disney doc Meghan thought she was opening the door to voice over work. That's why Harry pushed for it in such an embarrassing way. They wanted that documentary credit. She probably thinks that acting is beneath her now. But she might have been reconsidering acting when the other offers they expected failed to materialize.

Woke documentaries about important issues that "effect change" and bring about a sense of community. Oh Frogmore Cottage! They will be rolling in hundreds of dollars.

Harry looks horrible in that video, which is clearly the work of either his new communications director and/or Sunshine Sachs. The Sussexes clearly want to keep their toes just a bit in the Old Blighty side of the Pond, especially as their "financial independence" and "humanitarian powerhouses" plans aren't doing so weel. After all, what if it all goes tits up and they have to consider returning to all those freebies?

After seeing even Edward and Eugenie and Fergie, let alone the Cambridges, the Cornwalls, and the Queen, getting props for doing their duty in reaching out to beleagured Britain, the Sussexes figured they'd better put in an appearance.

So, suddenly, they "donate" 90,000 quid, not a penny of which came out of their own pockets, to a British charity, and Harry, looking like a refugee from Skid Row, makes a little video reaching out to disabled kids in Britain.

Can't speak for the rest of the UK public, bu to me it looks like too little, too late, especially compared to the funds William and Kate are raising (William's call for donations to the Emergency Relief fund pulled in millions), their far more charming and personable Zoom interview with those schoolchildren (they looked casual but at least they looked clean and groomed), never mind what that 100 year old man managed to raise, or what the Duke of Westminster donated.

All right, the Duke of Westminster is a billionaire.

Just the same, everything the Sussexs do ends up looking "off" somehow.

Neither Harry or Meghan is 100% innocent nor are they 100% guilty of all that has happened to them and all that they have been accused of. There is much that went on that we do not know about and will not know about for years.

Call me naive or Queen of De-Nile but I think most of these tabloid stories coming from "friends" or "insiders" are 100% made up fanfiction.

I will really be interested in what goes down when the lawsuit against The Mail on Sunday and other publication gets to court. I really want to know the truth.

That 99 year old veteran looks healthier than Harry.

Markle leaks her own shit to the press.

Duh.

R449. Yes, I was surprised to see Sarah getting the press coverage she's gotten. But she has been out there packing up food for all the first responders and starting a new service reading to children via Zoom who are confused by all this talk of a virus. Fergie is sort of indomitable. She just keeps on plugging along and doing her duty for the cause. All the while, Harry and Markle are looking for ways to effect change., which translates to basically nothing. The rest of the BRF are doing their part.

How can they possibly redeem themselves now? They rejected their royal duties. The pandemic is months old by now and they haven’t done shit. Oh, pointing at a charity to channel the surplus from merching their wedding? How noble and selfless.

I can see H&M doing like Diddy did, have some video thing for charity with celebrities where they ask other people for money

I'd love Lizzo to twerk in Meghan's face

R454. Markle doesn't care. She hates the UK and the BRF. If there's any guilt or a sense of "What have I done," happening, it's all coming from Harry.

R450 Shallon Lester is a youtuber who used to be an editor over at Star Magazine and she said that before Meghan became a royal they got no royal leaks at all. Then Meghan came along and there were leaks like crazy. She said that all of the leaks were coming from Meghan and that her PR had a deal where they would put out at least three stories a day about Meg to get her publicity. Those stories from "friends" and "insiders" are all absolutely from Meghan herself and her PR.

But, but, but, poor Megsy hates the press, To quote her, "She didn't think it was going to be easy, but she thought it would be fair."

Yeah, right.

R458, I’m not disputing that at all, but how do the leaks get leaked? Does Meghan have an assistant make a phone call to a point person at the tabloids? Do they send an email blast? Does her PR person do that? Does she do it herself?

I'm assuming it's mostly her PR firm that actually contacts the publications. There is no "friend" or "insider" unless you consider the PR person the "insider."

Diana was know to contact journalists directly. Of course they couldn't come right out and name Diana as their source so again, "a source close to the royal family" was credited for the story.

So Meg having direct contacts in the media in addition to her PR team doing their thing wouldn't be out of the question. She's definitely in direct contact with Omid Scobie who basically acts as her unofficial mouthpiece.

Her PR team is worthless.

From what I understand Sunshine Sachs is supposed to be a top firm and probably the most expensive. The specialize in crisis PR and had Weinstein and Michael Jackson as clients. (All the good it did them...)

But her PR is a disaster. Not sure if it's Sunshine Sachs' fault or if she thinks she knows better and insists things be done a certain way but they really don't know how to read a room. People are cynical and completely see thru their attempts to manipulate the public. No one is buying it and see it as obvious PR and it just makes people dislike them more.

Harry and Meghan better hope and pray that Charles lives as long as his parents have, because when William is in charge of the purse strings shit is going to get VERY real for them.

Meghan will be long gone before William is king.

There's no way Charles will live as long as his parents have. He'll be lucky to make it to 75.

Watching Harry's little zoom video from yesterday, I thought his hair looked fuller. Maybe just longer?

[quote]There's no way Charles will live as long as his parents have. He'll be lucky to make it to 75.

He's health conscious, happily married, has good genes, lives in luxury, isn't overworked, and has access to the best medical care. A fair bet to reach his century.

The successful personality based charitable foundations are led by people rich enough to begin with, like Bill Gates or those who can peddle influence (like obamas). Given that I dont know what influence they have on policy making... I do t know why Oprah or any billionaire will donate, especially now that there are lifestyle concerns about them. They sound like scammers.

He looks as old as his mother does now and certainly older than she did at his current age. Charles has some undisclosed health condition causing his red, swollen hands and feet.

R430: Name one. The IRS would shut it down the day they saw the audited figures indicating that 90% of the receipts went to overhead. Do you honestly think they'd gave the Harkles a pass because they're ex-royal or woke? Charitable organizations exist to do good, not to buy haute couture for their namesakes. Nobody's getting a tax deduction for contributions used to buy Meghan's dresses.

Even Rick Singer, he of the "get your stupid kid into college, rich people" scam, is awaiting sentencing and everyone who contributed to his phony foundation either has or will be serving time AND repaying the IRS with interest and penalties for their "tax-deductible" bribes. "Charitable" foundations (or any other tax-exempt organization) are required by law to file annual audited reports of income and expenses both in their respective state of organization (so in this case, California's Attorney General Xavier Beccera's, office) and with the Internal Revenue Service.

If the Harkles tried to pull that shit, the kiss of death to their remaining tattered reputations, btw, I can imagine California form CT-9 ("Complaint to the California Attorney General Regarding a Charity or a Charitable Solicitation") would come in handy. Link attached if anyone needs a copy.

[quote]Charles has some undisclosed health condition causing his red, swollen hands and feet.

Too much booze and cigarettes

Charles has never smoked, he's well-known to hate smoking.

Charles is weathered due to his outdoor life, and is unlikely to wear the cosmetics favoured by The Queen.

When Charles accompanied The Queen at The State Opening of Parliament, she (understandably) now appears more stooped and frail. Her voice as heard in the fine recent broadcasts is much more restrained these days.

The two certainly don't look of an age. Charles is young-old, The Queen is by any standards old-old. Very remarkable, but still old-old.

Philip is crypt keeper old.

If that article at R419 is anywhere close to true, Meghan is really delusional. Not just because she wants to become a Hollywood A-lister at her age, but because the Hollywood A-list she's trying to become part of is shifting radically due to COVID-19, and is likely to never be the same. It will be a hard enough road for REAL A-listers. Meghan doesn't stand a chance.

If they were planning on doing another speaking engagement their timing sucks because it's going to be awhile before big crowds meet

^^^at least 2021 in California, per Governor Newsome

Charles’ swollen fingers are due to arthritis.

They do not look like arthritis, R479. They are edemic and red.

If Charles goes early, it's not really a problem, as William is a grown man with a wife and 3 adorable heirs. It's only Harry and Meghan who would really be fucked over by that. King William won't given them a shilling.

Could Charles have psoriatic arthritis?

R458 From what I was lead to understand from a few gossip sources, yes the leaks started coming from 'Friends of Meghan' when in reality it was all coming from Meghan herself. It's now a known fact that MM went to great lengths to emulate behaviour of Princess Diana when she bagged Harry. One of Diana's biggest (and secret at the time) tactics was to leak stories herself to the press, and get them to say it was from an 'inside source' However, there is a reason why such a shit storm of negative publicity fell on Meghan. She was very foolish and didn't account for one factor. She had an adversary who was more powerful and had been taught that tactic directly from the master!

From the very beginning it was Prince William who was leaking every negative story about MM to the press. Starting with the upset prior to the wedding, then every single 'inside scoop' thereafter.

Interesting, r483.

R483 - And your proof of your assertion about Prince William is . . . .?

Kaiser, is that you?

Let's see: negative stories about Meghan "leaked by Prince William, defying his father and the Queen re family loyalty . . .

The Wimbledon Diva Performance? Did William leak that? Well, er, no, it actually happened in public.

Cost of Meghan's clothes? Ditto

The Mean Girl Stunt at Eugenie's Wedding? Ditto

The reason Melissa Tabouti left after six months and the family rushing to protect Tabouti's rep rather than see her talk about what Meghan was really like? Ditto

The Mystery Birth followed by the Mystery Godparents? Ditto

The photos of her pushing her way in front of Harry at official events? Ditto

The red dress with Harry's red uniform that last week? Ditto

Sticking it to Camilla that last week by reneging on her agreement not to release the NT and Dagenham school photos till after Camilla's big speech on Domestic abuse? Ditto

The five private jets in four days vacationing with Sir Reggie? Ditto

Mate, those weren't "leaked negative stories" - those were real stories that neither William nor anyone else needed to "leak". They were the truth.

Oh, and by the way, it was Meghan who leaked the Rose Hanbury story with the help of her friend Nicole Cliffe.

William didn't need to "leak" negative stories about Meghan: she did it all by her lonesome.

The past tense of ‘lead’ is led, R483, not lead. L-e-d.

As in ‘He was a lamb led to the slaughter,’ to use a cliche.

Meghan Markle’s Mom Suggested The Duke And Duchess Of Sussex Volunteer With This Los Angeles Charity

R488 Yes I saw this too. I truly lovely and selfless gesture. And all the media outlets got to hear about it. Mmmmm

It took Markle's mother to suggest it. Maybe it's not as cryptic as that, but that's how I interpreted it.

I knew her mother was behind a lot of their delusions.

Maybe her Mother is like Angela Lansbury in the Manchurian Candidate.

We’ve been hearing the rumors about them looking at LA properties for almost a year now.

I’m wondering about brokers. At that level, they want to know how much you’ve got to spend and they want you prequalified.

"Meghan Markle's Mom Suggested...."

Disappointed in you DL'ers that fell for this 'product placement' of Doria and the supporting PR gibberish about her 'noble' suggestions .... it's all about bringing the mother into the 'woke do-gooder' fold so that it is seen as justified that she be in on the 'charitable foundation' scam

R494, good point. Doria’s been in on the scam the whole time. That’s why she hasn’t been ghosted yet. Yet.

I think the bottom line is that L.A. will fall for their bullshit.

It seems inevitable to me.

Absolutely r496, they are easily manipulated.

R497 LA is about capitalising on fame and making money. These two have very limited ability to make money. There royal connections have been cut and Meghan is not going to make a career as an A List Hollywood actress as she isn't commercial.

LA will find Harry amusing for about 6 months. Then when they realise his only talent is talking about his dead Mother, they'll not be able to capitalise from him.

They will get offered Keeping Up With The Kardashians style shows. If they ever took one of those, the audience would find them so boring. Harry acting like a teenager and Meghan being constantly aware the cameras are filming her and acting like Rose Byrne in Bridesmaids.

[quote]and Meghan is not going to make a career as an A List Hollywood actress as she isn't commercial.

And she's also too old.

[quote]They will get offered Keeping Up With The Kardashians style shows. If they ever took one of those, the audience would find them so boring.

So ya, and hence the Doria 'product placement' as above in r494. They will need a supporting cast, just like the Kartrashian nightmare, and they will start by bringing the mother in to the fold .... then other 'zany' characters .... all so predictable.

R500 Wanna know how dumb Megan Markle is?

She has a line up of ghosted family members that make the cast of Tiger King look dull and she's hoping her Mother and a couple of lawny friends will make good entertainment!!

Considering that wherever they go, two SUVs full of RPOs have to go too, this is a hugely selfish and potentially damaging method of virtue signalling.

When they expose themselves to the virus at each doorway and with each interaction at the charity, they in turn automatically expose the 12 RPO's, the nanny, the cook, the housekeepers and of course, the baby.

They are fucking morons.

Around the time of Harry and Meghan leaving the RF, I happened upon one of those morning style TV shows with 4 people around the table discussing the gossip, etc.

They were all "Bravo!" and "How Brave", etc.

But then, one of them calmly said, "But of course, they say they will want to make their own money. That won't be as easy as they think." And the 4 panelists looked at each other with a look that said "Ha! Like these 2 have a clue as to what they are in for."

Essentially what I had been thinking.

And this was before the virus exploded.

I remain baffled as to how they expected to and apparently still expect to earn enough money to support themselves in such high fashion.

It's preposterous.

I agree they may not be profitable, but they will be invited to all the parties.

I find it infuriating, but that’s Hollywood.

R504, I would think that the Bob Iger incident would make people wary. Think of how embarrassing it would be: you invite H & M to a party, and they try to shake down a guest for work.

R505 How cornered did Bob Iger look when Harry came out and pimped his wife for work! You are quite right, I don't think people will want to invite them to their parties, because Harry will be bullishly demanding these people give his wife work.

Notice how The Clooney's seem to have disappeared off the scene. They only lived a few miles away from them in Windsor too. I bet they kept hounding them for acting role scoops and now they are avoiding them.

Did I miss something regarding the “volunteering” story at R488? What I got was that Harry and Meghan took their retinue of security in several black SUV’s to a charity’s office. They asked a ton of questions, took up a lot of time in the middle of a pandemic, and then went home. Am I right?

Did they cook or hand out food, donate money, help the homeless? The whole thing sounds like a shameless way to get their mugs on camera... and (ta da!) to get Meghan’s mom in on the publicity.

Prediction: Soon the press will be all about Meghan and her mother... and less about Harry. I really feel sorry for the guy. He must feel horribly trapped and manipulated about now.

I don't doubt they'll get many invites. But will they get A-list work? Will they get the kinds of "non-profit" donations that will keep them in private jets? I don't see that happening.

They delivered 20 meals to 20 apartments in "impoverished" West Hollywood, r507.

And in doing so exposed their entire household of about 20 people, and a baby, to the virus.

R509. Unbelievable.

If Harry gets the virus, can Markle make money off it? Maybe the down and out in West Hollywood can deliver food to Sussex house!

Roll the cameras!!

I don't know what R483's gossip sources are regarding Meghan's alleged leaks, but I've always thought the inside source quotes sound so realistically Meghan. On IG and the Tig, she has a distinctive, above-it-all, letter from the magazine editor voice, which is often the tone of the leaks. Of course, she's a cash cow for the gossip rags (and especially the DM), so maybe their writers have done their homework and are creating realistic-sounding leaks.

R507, they also went on a "tour" of the facility and met with the Director of the place. Do all one-day-only, drop-in delivery volunteers get a formal tour? So fucking weird...they're treating it like a BRF-style visit. They must have called ahead and said "we want to meet everybody and learn about what you do". But...why? There are probably pictures somewhere of them (with masks of course) talking with people who had prepared the food; and they'll show up in a social media post...somewhere.

R507, that makes me sick. They are not BRF anymore. They are really nobodies.

Prince Harry and Meghan Markle 'plan to build home in the Cotswolds'

According to The Sun, they are looking to have a property nearby to the private members' club Soho Farmhouse, where Victoria and David Beckham have also built themselves a country retreat.

Another house? Please, I don't believe it. Even if they could afford it, Markle isn't setting foot in the UK ever again if she can avoid it.

Regarding the cctv footage from Los Angeles, something seemed odd to me but I couldn't put my finger on it.

Then while looking at r515's picture, I realised that the cctv footage was the very first time I'd ever seen them together where she was not clawing at his hand or reaching for it.

At this point it's almost bizarre to see them just standing around without her draping herself across him in some fashion.

They’ve done one clever thing. As our you-know-what reminded us in another thread, “there aren’t even photos, so it wasn’t a photo op. It was pure altruism”. The only photos of their selfless risk were some stills from a surveillance camera!

They’ve been letting the “little people” be the paparazzi.

Lots of time, even law enforcement can’t get surveillance footage of crime. But there THEY are. Somehow the footage was captured and released to the media.

The other thing about those WeHo stills is that supposedly they're in motion, but their bags change shoulders and even change from one of them to another in the supposed time it takes to walk from one sidewalk square to the next. Nothing is ever as it seems from these two. Wonder how many takes it took? Also, note the pap watermark in lower left corner.

Well, well you log onto the Daily Mail, you get a big flashing notice: "We pay CASH for videos." So look for more of them to come, I suppose?

Now that they are in LA they have to deal with TMZ too. TMZ also pays for videos and apparently the owner of this video originally sold it to TMZ? I really can't believe TMZ has become a source of royal news since Meghan came along but here we are.

So they hand the bags to the one dude and close the gate and walk away. But then they also are seen walking up the stairs after walking through the same locked gate/door. The same cars are present. Did they deliver to another apartment upstairs after leaving? Couldn’t the upstairs person come down and get their food like the downstairs person?

R521 The make shift Green Room was in apartment 7, so after they had done the scene they wanted a wheat grass smoothie and foot massage.

The other daft thing about r483's post is the idea that William ever gave enough of a shit about Meghan to be obssessing about planting stuff in the tabloids, aside from the fact that he didn't actually want to be estranged from his brother or for what's happened to have happened.

I can't see anything of what r518 and r521 are saying in this video, if this is the video they are referring to. Not trying to defend H&M, but it seems like they delivered some food to a residence on an upper floor, left, went back to the car to get more food, then gave that to someone in another residence who came downstairs to pick it up.

Can't see this pap watermark either. Didn't even know paps had watermarks.

To me, H&M just look like a couple of rich dorks who want to be seen to be doing something "useful" and to be able to say "we delivered food to the vulnerable during the lockdown!", whereas in reality they're so useless that they're doing it in the most time-consuming way. They were also sent to an obviously not rundown part of town.

Harry will look back on this move to TMZwood, land of fakery and emptiness, and the turning point in his life.

And I don't mean in an upward trajectory.

*as the turning point

I still can't get over how these are the very first pictures we have of them together in which she is not physically hanging off him like a barnacle.

It's amazing. Like making an archeological discovery, only cheap and nasty and presaging a divorce.

Letting the tabloids get the surveillance footage instead of pap photos was a bit of brilliance.

I think their constant handholding might have more to do with H's mental state (or her nervousness?) in those royal situations. Remember, he told us that he has PTSD and all. So no need to hang on to each other here.

I think she sometimes holds onto him for balance when wearing the super high-heeled shoes she favors.

She's an old-time ho, r530. Just accept it.

She's been afraid he's going to make a break for it before she can acquire enough 'evidence' of his abuse and unstable mental health, for the divorce attorneys.

She has much more power now that they're away from his family, friends, RP staff, and everything familiar to him. He'll be docile and eager to please, then sullen and depressed. When he reaches a low point, they'll 'coincidentally' start being papped arguing, or with Harry looking mean/disheveled or cussing the paps. Megan will portray herself as stressed, frightened, concerned for Archie and herself, fearful of their safety...etc.

Partnering with the twardy gossips and TMZ is a very smart move, FOR HER.

[quote] I don't doubt they'll get many invites.

Wouldn’t Meghan be like Molly Brown, tolerated by society long enough to be able to meet someone royal?

Well, my concern is that with all their recent travel, UK, Canada, LA, please correct me if I am wrong but they have yet to do their own 14-day self isolation? Honestly, it is my belief that their staff and the mythical Baby Archie are more in danger from H&M than from the recipients of their benevolence.

They just look so inept all through that footage.

R532, like Amber Heard and Johnny Depp.

I've found them the perfect pad in Malibu! A steal at $2.25 million. Sure, it's only 800 square feet, but it's not like they're MATERIALISTIC. They just want a quiet life away from the privilege, publicity, and pressures of Royal life.

Hey! That’s my house! They can fucking go look someplace else.

Sorry, R538. Royal prerogative and all that. Won't wee Archie be snug as a bug on that porch? Or maybe Meghan will make Harry sleep out there when things go south.

Royals are why Americans can’t have nice things.

R539,

Hank Williams, Sr and “Move It on Over”....forced into the doghouse.

R532 That scenario is right on the nose...Meghan is very easy to read and you know this is what she's plotting.

When Dimwit Harry has served his purpose, she's gonna get rid of him.

Then, it'll be onto "Meghan!" her new talk show.

Mark my words. The future is Meghan + Mom - Harry.

TBH, I don't Meghan is that attached to ANYONE...Doria is just a useful tool for her to use.

As a social worker and yoga teacher Doria totally has a place in Meghan's plans to build a mental health/wellness empire.

Meghan is only interested in building a MEGHAN Empire and one totally based on Oprah.

I don't think quiet self assuming Doria is going to be much of a help...she seems like she has her daughter's number. She always looks wary around her.

It's in Meghan's interest to keep up relations with her mother. Her mother is the African American parent, and that helps support Meghan's supposed identity as a woke biracial woman (despite the nose job, hair straightening, and white boyfriends/husbands). Also, it shows that she can get along with at least one relative, and that's important to her image given her relationships with the rest of her family.

A since deleted tweet by projectangelfood stated “we are on a volunteer hiatus for safety reasons. We miss all our volunteers!”

The tweet disappeared when someone asked how Harry & MM were allowed to volunteer.

Apparently, some Soho House bigwig is on on the charity’s board, as is one of MM’s former teachers.

Also new “pap” photos of H&M walking their dogs.

Why won’t anyone give them the privacy they do crave? (/s)

^so crave

Oh, it's back to walking the dogs.

I think this is what in basketball is called a "full court press".

Full steam ahead to the Archewell rollout...

The dog walking "pap" photos were taken by Coleman-Rayner. That is the LA photo agency Meghan used to hire to take photos of her at Hollywood events when she was trying to turn herself into Somebody.

Emerging from all that silence, Meghan is clearly planning to retake the stage, and called Coleman-Rayner to help her get some cleverly contrived media attention.

And, just coincidentally, Coleman-Rayner is the very same agency that contacted her dad to shoot those dastardly photos in Mexico that so horrified everyone. Given who shot them, and the agency's history with Meghan, it's not a stretch to think Meghan used them again to set her father up so she could get him out of the wedding.

And she really needs to ditch those trousers. Them make her stick legs look more stick like and her fat ass and hips look wider.

Those Malibu houses on stilts look like they could crash into the ocean at any minute.

The individual photographer's name is Jeff Rayner.

If they buy MY fucking house I’m gonna shit.

I’m genuinely curious how Harry must feel right now. So much change, a new country, quarantine rules....He probably feels like he’s on some weird vacation. This would test any relationship.

Funny how Lainey Gossip is reacting to this.

If it were a man who came into a lady's life, a lady with some mental issues that got on well with grandma, brother and SIL, but who suddenly decided that all of them plus the remaining family she had, all her friends and everyone who had cared for her over the years were vile, vicious and two-faced. That they were useful only for currency of some sort. Both her and her infant, dragged around by her new husband who had ghosted his own family and most of his friends, farther away from anyone who truly cared for her. No one to turn to, to lean on, but him.

Wouldn't she use one of her favorite phrases: "Chills, chills, chills!", if the genders were reversed?

That $$$$ and gos from Meg's network must really ease her conscience.

[quote] Funny how Lainey Gossip is reacting to this.

Is this the same Lainey that just did a full on circle-jerk during her segment on ETalk this evening about Harry and Meghan doing their UberEats charade today? I thought she was a 'friend' of the Royal drop-outs.

She’s a “friend” of MM via Jessica Mulroney. She used to be pretty vicious about Kate Middleton.

If Lainey’s now been ghosted, well, it couldn’t happen to anyone more deserving.

Lainey knows Meghan personally through Jessica. They've all been photographed getting dinner together with Meghan's ex Corey. Nobody is going to invite the Harkles to their parties. Not after that ambush on Bob Iger. If they did that in public in front of the cameras can you imagine how bad they are in private??

R552 Those leggings are atrocious. Indeed, they make her hips and midsection look huge. Plus, who wears white leggings as pants other than People of Walmart? And white leggings when walking the dogs? Sloppy AF.

Nobody is going to invite the Harkles to their parties."

When the hell will there be parties in LA again?

Not just because of the quarantine restrictions, which will apparently forbid "large gatherings" through the summer, but because the entire entertainment industry is going to have to madly rethink how to make money without movie theaters, concert venues, sports competitions, or theme parks. It's going to be all work and no play for anyone who's still working! Not that Harry won't have more in common with those who aren't working...

TMZ report on the Markles’... yikes, 5000 negative comments

The comments on TMZ are MAGA cesspools these days, even on stuff not even remotely related to Dear Leader.

Yeah, R556, he does seem to be at loose ends .... In the recent Zoom with the charity he mentioned almost feeling guilty about having so much family time. I bet he spends a lot of time with Archie and the nanny while Meghan attends to business.

>>He probably feels like he’s on some weird vacation.

This made me laugh!

Hey Harry, here's your new/old theme song!

Hey Harry, here's your new/old theme song!

So we know absolutely everything about their food delivery caper, but nothing else. Have they bought a house yet?

Fathers spending time with the nanny is never a good idea (see: Jude Law).

Harry will soon, no longer be hairy so he'll use his real name Hank.,

R559 "She’s a “friend” of MM via Jessica Mulroney. She used to be pretty vicious about Kate Middleton.

If Lainey’s now been ghosted, well, it couldn’t happen to anyone more deserving."

I wonder if it's more that Lainey suddenly realised 1) how badly the Harkles have handled things and how much prestige they are struggling to retrieve, 2) in contrast, how well the Cambridges are being perceived despite Lainey trying to do Meghan's dirty work and smear them, especially Kate, and 3) watching Kate, Sophie, and Camilla blank Meghan in public on that last day at the Abbey, remembered who the long game is going to.

I find it difficult to believe Meghan would be stupid enough to ghost Lainey and do what she did to Piers Morgan and several other potential turn-abouts, but I suppose it's possible.

My guess is that like the Clooneys, Elton John, and other former vocal "supporters", Lainey is trying to straddle a fence here so she doesn't end up, the way so many in the upper social circles did three generations ago, out in the cold once the way Edward's and Wallis's "supporters" did when it turned out they'd backed the wrong horse and the dull, dutiful, and boring Yorks ended up on the throne.

I think many in this group are trying to hedge their bets, particularly if they have a foot in Britain, watching the way the wind is blowing.

Who knows? Maybe Meghan isn't returning Lainey's calls quickly enough as she's found new "friends" in LaLa Land.

R570, I imagine nanny is chunky and 50-something, for that very reason.

R573 - the only woman I've seen who was identified as the "nanny" was pictured with Meghan and Archie in South Africa. She was a middle aged, heavy set and busty black woman who looked like she was carrying a big diaper bag of some sort. I don't know if it was true but it wouldn't surprise me. She would be good optics for a biracial woke royal.

R574 - I remember the photo; I think the new nanny was also American, but am not sure.

I'm not so sure it's such a good optic for a biracial woke royal - too many undertones of a Civil War Mammy.

I doubt a young, attractive woman would be the nanny. Meghan would NOT be having that. It's an older fat woman, probably.

That would be interesting if it was confirmed that the nanny is American. Another bit of evidence they planned to bail and head to the US all along, way before they announced Megxit.

The Jude Law nanny was no great beauty. It's bonding and availability that matter, and with little other contact as now...

Yes, R578. You can also ask Arnold Schwarzenegger about that.

R579 I remember the first time I saw a pic of Arnie's baby mama. I think my jaw went through the floor.

Honest question: If Harry, out of boredom, knocks up the black nanny you mentioned, will that child be considered royal?

At least little Archewell would have a playmate...

Bastard children are not royal, by law.

Would the bastard child at least get a Dukedom?

Any nannies who work in the Sussex household are going to look like Kathy Bates and Tyne Daly. Meghan will be sure of that, believe me!

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R583 - Used to be called "wrong side of the blanket" - the prefix "Fitz" on a name in Olden Tymes indicated aristocratic or royal connections but from the wrong side of the blanket.

Royals could and often did confer titles on sons born outside of marriage. John of Gaunt, the Duke of Lancaster, had several bastards by his mistress, Katherine Swynford, and gave them the Beaufort name and titles.

Much later, Gaunt married Swynford, and their children were later legitimised.

Or, they went into the Church.

Charles II did the same thing. He had no legit heirs but tons of illegitimate ones, and he legitimized the ones by his favorite, Barbara Villiers. Though she was estranged from her husband early into the marriage. the King made him an Earl so that his sweetie-pie could be Countess Castlemaine. She bore Charles 5 little Fitzroys, and her 3 sons became the Duke of Southhampton, the Duke of Grafton, and the Duke of Northumberland. Quite a few present English aristocrats are descended from those family lines, including Harry and William through their mother, Diana.

R587 - Not to be confused with the Earl of Northumberland of the Wars of the Roses and the rebellion against Henry IV. It's a confusing title as it has been created three times at varied points.

R587, so is actor Christopher Villiers descended from Charles II and Barbara Villiers?

Has R589 ever heard of Google

The incessant hand-holding “plus” is nauseating. They hold hands, and then she uses her other hand to hold his forearm. Knock off the public displays of bullshit.

Why would anyone "side" with the Sparkles?

They are NEVER going to snatch the crown.

This isn't Game of Thrones.

So basically, King William or King Charles could give any bastards they have royal titles if they really wanted to risk the bad publicity, but Harry could not. He's far down the line of succession and not terribly wealthy, if they're lucky he could give them a small income from a trust fund, if Meg doesn't nail down every cent in the will for herself and her children.

No way Meg will allow any of Harry’s money to go to his bastard child.

Btw, I’d be amazed if there wasn’t already one somewhere. Harry got around!

I don't think King William or King Charles could get away with a publically known bastard child, much less ennobling one. Though the monarch CAN still get away with giving English titles to the male marry-ins, as happened with Phillip and Tony Snowden, and giving more titles to grown-up blood Royals, as with the Duke of Cambridge and the Duke of Sussex.

Actually, I'm not sure a male marry-in could get a title these days. A lot has changed since the 60s.

Northumberland is such a fantastic name. I'm not surprised it's been created as a title several times.

Henry, his real name is too ugly now, not that his red haired self was any great shakes to begin with. He isn't really even a royal as he's a bastard, but they won't admit it.

Henry, his real name is too ugly now, not that his red haired self was any great shakes to begin with. He isn't really even a royal as he's a bastard, but they won't admit it.

red haireds all smell "funny down there."

Poor Archie must have a horrible stank.

Straight men like women in “nurturing” professions. Even if they’re not beautiful, men want to be pampered and babied and SERVED. Especially if they have ambitious wives who aren’t maternal.

The wife is off winning awards and making a shitload of money, and he’s banging a nanny or housekeeper.

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GO TO: Prince Harry and Meghan Markle scrap plans to buy Mel Gibson’s £12m five-bedroom mansion in Malibu - The Next Chapter

You losers need a new thread, this one works fine

They are the coronavirus quarantined

Henry is his real name

“The talks were preliminary and they never got close to finalising a deal.

Yeah, right. The talks were probably never even preliminary.

Gawd that's an ugly house

LOL!! as if they had the funds to spend to buy that house.

Why would they buy when Misha Nonoo's billionaire father in law is loaning them a Malibu house for free?

If they're in Malibu then why are they walking their dogs in the hills above LA? Who drives an hour to walk their dogs?

[R608], exactly. They’re unemployed, homeless, middle-aged couchsurfers.

With a kid and two dogs.

No comment: Harry and Markle are out delivering food and making sure the paparazzi don't find them. They prefer their privacy.

Of course not, Malibu is too far away to drive down to the areas where celebs are usually papped.

NORMALLY, when a party is looking for a home, in earnest, they have their financial ducks in a row. They’ll have a price range, they’ll have a prequalification letter from their bank, or a credit profile ready. It gets even more complicated when income is coming from overseas.

High-end real estate brokers don’t want to waste their time on lookie-lous, even if they’re “royal”. I wonder how serious these two jokers are, and what their budget is.

TMZ is claiming they're looking at pricey Bel Air homes

(But - they arrived after lockdown -so they're touring people's houses right now? As well as risking exposure with this latest stunt? These two really don't give a fuck about other people at all, do they.)

[R6112], and yet the paps just found them again. They've been papped more in 2 days in LA than in 2 years in the UK.

They can't afford to buy it outright with cash so Harry would've had to take out a mortgage. It would be Harry's money not Meghan's and maybe he's balking at that prospect.

I’m sure you can “look” at properties with a virtual tour. And if the homes are unoccupied, it’s probably fine to look in person. Brokers can follow physical distancing during an in-person tour, and the transaction can be done without physical contact.

These arrogant fucks have no problem bending the rules, anyway.

TMZ is saying their budget is "12 million to 18 million". Even with a mortgage, the taxes and upkeep on that kind of property alone would eat significantly into what Daddy gives them to live on.

I'd respect them more if they just bought something nice but modest in, say, Toluca Lake. As is, she looks like a bigger gold digger than ever.

R618, the expenses will be monstrous. Not to mention the renovations HRH Meghan will be requiring. As if she’d ever move in to someone’s sloppy seconds.

She needs to spend like a demon right now in order to be able to claim the maximum maintenance in divorce court.

Whatever house they are shopping for now will be the most expensive house she can convince Harry to buy, because it will go to her alone in the divorce and become her asset.

I would go the Montecito - Santa Barbara area if I were them.

Also, r620, we can guarantee they will stay together until the massive renovations are done, so at least another 2 years. If she divorces him mid-renovation, she might end up having to pay for some of it herself and we know bitch is cheaper than a dollar hooker on 50 cent special night.

It's dreadful

Too bad. Harry’s Halloween storm trooper costume would have complemented Mel’s Swastika wallpaper.

Is that a firm 12-18 million or is that a range that could be adjusted up? I suspected that range is the ceiling for them and it's already a strain to go that far up. But we've already known that Meghan isn't one for just any home to call home, she was insulted that she and Harry were only given Frogmore Cottage by the Queen and that taxpayers spent money to renovate it. She's always had her sights set on LA as we've said all along, she's very transparent in her grift, that one.

I can’t get over the fact they’re driving Kia. From Range Rovers to Kia. Harry must be happy.

Another from TMZ, so soon? One more story during lockdown and Lainey Gossip won't be her BFF, anymore.

You know, her BFF after Serena Williams, the Obamas, the Trudeaux, the Clooneys, Beyonce and The Beyhive. (Did I miss anyone who worships Megan and is her BFF, stans?)

How many more times until Dim begins to wonder if moving to HW might not have been the best idea?

This is a classic Real Estate technique used often to get buyers interested in a house. And that house is ugly so it needs all the help it can get. The articles are sourced from mysterious "close sources". It is just bait for the trolls to get upset about during the Covid crisis. While people are struggling lets insuate that Harry and Meghan are spending up large. The article is then dropped on gossip sites and pushed by the same old same old.

Markle has to go for the largess now so when they divorce, she can get everything to maintain the style in which she she had grown accustomed.

R598 so how do you explain his ever growing resemblance to Charles?

They may borrow a 15-million-dollar Malibu home, but they'll never own one. Sellers of high-end property aren't going to give them a big discount just because he used to be part of the BRF.

More likely, they'll get free or reduced rent as long as their profiles stay high so that the seller can hype up the property. That kind of sweetheart deal will go away if interest in them drops.

Oh they'll own one, r632. If it's the last thing Meghan ever does, it will be to get Harry to buy her the most expensive house they can possibly afford. That's going to be her main asset after the divorce. She's feathering her own nest right now and believe me a 15 million house bought together and therefore given to her in the divorce is Job Number One for her right now.

r633 You got that. Markle is out house hunting and making a difference right now...something her phony baloney charity was going to do.

She really is something, as in a case study. I've seen the videos of her as an earnest and serious bi-racial girl and then she experienced modest Hollywood success, got married and divorced, and here she is pushing 40 striving for fame and fortune. She's alienating Harry from his family and he just looks lost and confused and shell-shocked. Oh and she's a mother. Despite her affectionate body language and new age love gibberish, nothing about her strikes me as maternal. She really is a strange, if despicable, person. I think Markle has an actual attachment disorder and this is what happens when poorly attached children grow up.

Markle is a mean, manipulative piece of shit. It will be interesting to see what her Archewell charity becomes. That will show you her intentions and what she has in mind to aggrandize herself.

How do you pronounce Archewell?

They will be back in the UK by the end of the year, living in Frogwarts Cottage. They simply cannot afford to do anything else. It will be framed in a way to allow them to save face, but it will 100% happen.

r637 You mean for the public? Well for the public it's pronounced "ar-kee-well". But in Meghan's mind it's simply "money".

Meghan will never return to the UK with her tail between her legs. Harry will return, but not Meghan.

r640 So, will Archie return to the UK with Harry, or does Markle get the kid?

There's a rumor that they're living with Doria, but she lives in a black neighborhood, so it's not likely given the fact MM does not identify as black unless there's a negative story about her in the press.

It's pronounced "ka-ching, ka-ching, ka-ching" r637

I think she'll return for a while. The kid will stay in the UK. I don't think she and Harry are unhappy with one another and it will take a while for them to separate.

She's never going back again r644, and she will never bring Archie to the UK. She is establishing California residency for her and for Archie with an eye to the most favourable divorce settlement, in about 3 years, from Hapless Harry.

I've read you pronounce it "archwell."

Wow, being a Royal pays good.

I hope Harry isn't too triggered by memories of his mum! Who could've expected it!

Doria has a modest home. That would never work for the Countess of Dumbarton

Uh-oh...

I expect she'll drop the case at the last second. It's no slam-dunk and she can't afford to lose it and pay the legal fees.

She's reportedly already tried to drop the case many months ago and the Mail won't let her, r650

Another thread on this tiresome pair.

PH couldn't lay his hands on $5 million USD in ready money much less $12-$15. He doesn't even have a credit score or history in USA, much less any sort of visible income via employment. For that matter neither does his duchess (at least the last bit, employment income). Thus the pair of them would require some sort of special mortgage which likely would carry higher costs.

Don't know about the Markle woman, but nearly all that PH has is tied up in trusts. What he has in terms of liquid assets are disbursements from said trusts plus whatever Prince of Wales does out. There is an end to it....

Foreigners buy property in LA, NYC, and elsewhere in USA all the time. In large majority of such cases they pay all cash at least for first property.

Obtaining a mortgage for Mr. and Mrs. Sussex isn't totally out of question however; but anyone doing the deal likely would require a substantial down payment. Even standard 20% would stretch PH's limited resources (available cash), anything higher is just out of the question.

Only way these two are going to land a home in their price range is if HM, Prince of Wales jointly or on their own buys it for them, or advances a very substantial sum towards. It would be either that or if some kind toadying git offers PH and family something either free or (very) well below market value.

For time being these two should be looking at a rental they can afford.

We are now 2 for 2 with senior royals and American spouses being an absolute disaster. What will the men in grey do if someone from the colonies catches the eye of George, Charlotte or Louis?

George, Charlotte and Louis will have been brought up on all the the horror stories of how

"Uncle Harry Threw It All Away Only To Come Crawling Back Without His Son While Still Paying Out His Entire Income Every Year To His Scummy American Ex-Wife To Support His Son In California While The Kid Is Mentally Poisoned Against Him."

No American, or any non lifelong family-friend type of foreigner, for that matter, will be allowed within 50 miles of those Cambridge kids. Every single one of them will marry British, I guarantee it

Remember when the number 2 son (Andrew) and his wife got Sunninghill Park as a wedding present? No wonder H & M were so upset about that much smaller home they received.

PH is a naif and totally clueless about so much regarding America; as such is likely reliant upon MM in many matters. This is how things are going to turn into a disaster.

MM knows how expensive property in LA area can be; but she is determined to live her lifestyles of rich and famous dream because PH has "money". Which the duke does in the way people like him do; but MM likely does or will not be made to understand large amounts of PHs wealth is tided up so he cannot get to it. This was fine when expected lifestyle was that of a royal prince living in GB or whatever basically in some bloody grace and favor. That is out of the window for now so Dim and Dimmer must largely fend for themselves.

If MM's MO is to get Prince Charles to pick up the tab, she better work fast. Once Prince William becomes prince of Wales that purse will be snapped shut. Duchess of Cambridge (then princess of Wales) will see to that.

r654 Marrying a British lifelong friend has its issues too

r657 Meghan makes Fergie look completely loyal and almost scandal-free.

This is a filthy lie! They were NEVER going to buy this house. It is too filled with bad Catholic Juju.

Fergie just wanted to be a royal wife and have some fun. She didn’t want to be an Oscar-winning, duty-shirking, global humanitarian scold with delusions of grandeur. Fergie is a bit shady with the influence-peddling, though.

Sarah is doing her part and then some by preparing food packages for first responders. And no one had to suggest she do it.

The paparazzi need to step up their game and find out where the Harkle grifters are living.

The paps already know where they are living, R662. Meghan has made a deal to give them scheduled pap walks in return for keeping their location quiet.

R655 Andrew got Sunninghill Park because he was the monarch’s son, not grandson. All of her children received grace and favor properties, but they have limits. Edward lives in a property called Bagshot Park. He and his family only live in a few rooms of it because it is too expensive to heat the whole place. Not even billionaire Mama will pay for THAT.

Harry would have gotten an apartment if that grifter he married hadn’t pulled Tiaragate, Kate-didn’t-give-me-a-ridegate - and Affairgate. Glad someone cut them at the roots.

Charles had purchased a country estate called Harewood Park years ago (not Harewood House, another grand estate). It was expressly thought that it was purchased for one of his sons. After William got Anmer from the Queen, this gorgeous estate would have been available for Harry. But I have a feeling, the Harkles kicked it to the curb. Not posh enough, plus not in London.

For sixth in line, he did well with Frogmore, especially since they fully renovated it on the taxpayer’s dime. Eugenie, just three spots behind him, got Nottingham Cottage, a small 2 bedroom place that Harry used to crash at. The Phillips and Tindalls got nothing.