Jack Bankowsky (former editor of ArtForum)

Maybe you can start by elaborating on what made you say wow?

His townhouse on Greenwich St. Then the dungeon downstairs. I finished my drink and bolted.

Let’s see if I can link this (ny times of townhouse sale... dungeon pics not included)

Are you a stalker OP?

Nah. Someone just reminded me about that night. Bored here

Well OP, we obviously need to hear more. So go on...

I like his look. Do dish, OP.

Wow, what a great place. And that outdoor garden. Gawd. I'd love a place like that.

We sat out on the back garden patio. Drinks. Talked. I had answered phones at The Factory for Warhol when I was in college for two summers. Talked about that cuz he loves Warhol and pop era. Then he offered me another drink and gave me a tour. Ended up in basement. He said wait here. Came back in one of those leather chest strap things. Walked me to unlock and open and show me dungeon. He was oddly silent. Zero words. Maybe that is one S&M thing? I mumbled some words and headed back upstairs. Then said thanks for the drinks. I should have been open to it. I would w someone I know well. But had just met him.

[quote]I had answered phones at The Factory for Warhol when I was in college for two summers.

You should feel grateful you had a date at all, at your advanced age.

Show some appreciation!

That's a flattering picture at OP. He looks significantly more decrepit now.

I would have been all over him in the '90s, though:

Where was his longtime boyfriend Matthew Marks, OP?

R12. Good question. He was not there. After I realized who this was, I looked him up and saw he had a bf. He may have been traveling. Given the elaborate dungeon, I imagine they mess around w others and that seems to be ok.

Without seeing any of the S&M stuff downthread, I could tell from OP’s pic this guy was a sociopath.

R14. I don’t know about sociopath but he was oddly quiet. When we were conversing, there awkward pauses. He spoke with that hyper-educated, no-issues-throwing-Out-50 point-scrabble-words dialogue often found in academics. I perused his books and they were not all just art stuff. History. Biographies. An amazing collection of books. But the dead silence and the state inherited dungeon made me somewhat worried.

^stare in the dungeon....

I also think I pissed him off early on. He had a Jeff Koons sculpture and I remarked that “he [Koons] was just the luckiest guy to ever walk into an art gallery”. I think that pushed him off.

How long ago was your encounter?

Circa 2017

Wait. Maybe 2016.

If he had an actual S&M dungeon in his house Op you're lucky you bolted!

r14 do you think most sexual sadists are also sociopaths? (Genuine question)

R14 I believe so. I knew some queens who were “Mapplethorp-adjacent”, and there were quite a few demented guys in that lot. Most dead now

OP, don't feel bad you didn't take it to the next step. It's ying/yang. Sometimes you're the crusty dried cum stains, and sometimes you're the Formula 409 to wipe it up.

Was there a nacreous layer of permacum on the dungeon floor, or was it well maintained?

R25. It was surprisingly nice — considering.

I wonder if he has the cleaning lady do the dungeon.

Please keep in my, tasteful friends, these two are in their 60s if not 70s for OP. "The Factory" existed for 2 decades so, hmmmm. How old are you OP?

I’m 52

OP/R29 = Patsy Stone

R28. Warhol died in 1987. So, a few more years than two decades.

He's a pretentious cunt.

R31 By now, it's 3+ decades. I should know, I was born at the tail end of 1987

Oh, good - Matthew Marks.....

I love how you twats can cunt up a simple thread. Just was wondering if anyone else had hooked up w him.

The fake 2nd "Factory" closed over 35 years ago. The numbers barely hold up. But OP was some sort of adolescent college boy.

Jesus you fucking wanna be Sherlock Holmes people. I worked at the last factory in the old ConEd building on west 33rd. Answered phones there. Brigid Berlin was there a lot. I liked her. I worked there summer of 84 and 85. My mom hung out in those circles and Andy hired (well, we worked for free) college guys like me to do crap stuff like answer phones and accept deliveries.

The factory location just before the ConEd building was Bway and like 17th Street. They had just moved to 33rd when I worked there. But whatever the fuck You want to think. Not here to defend reality. Truly wondering if anyone had any recent news in Jack. Google is empty on him.

Numbers are still quite tight.

Jesus Karen. Loosen your twat. I worked there. Now. Anyone know more about Jack?

I think he's cute in a nerdy way. I'd hit it.

I'm the one giving you a hard time. I know nothing about Jack but my ex slept with Matthew, who was a hysterical Nelly. I stayed out of all that. It was the mid 90s.

Thx r42. It’s ok on the hard time. Interesting on marks being nelly. Jack was Uber masc — it at least wanted to be perceived as such.

R43 you pathetic cunt, go and get drunk and pass out somewhere. Or come suck my magnificent black cock. It's all your good for anyway, you little bitch ass faggot. Text me 201 759 9416

R44. 201???? As if.

What just happened?

This is what happens when we have real gossip threads on DL.

Love it! More, more!

R44 is running low on meth. It’s ok.

R45 it would be a privilege for YOU to be on my magnificent black penis. You can go fuck your ugly insignificant self into the stratosphere and beyond, where you belong.

R49. Tough times huh, buddy?

This thread feels like a microcosm of the DL itself

If you like arrogantly pretentious contemporary art verbiage, ArtForum is the magazine for you.

When I began writing for the NYTimes, regularly for a few years, I was always getting dragged to dinners and parties where people like this were in attendance, and I felt like Terry Castle . Jack was often around and an friend kept pushing me to talk to him because he wanted me to write for Artforum. I found Jack to be amicable if we were talking about any subject (especially anything outside of NYC), but if I even mentioned anything about art or galleries he'd shut down and his face would drop as he'd find an excuse to walk away from me. A kind of Dr. Jeckle/Mr. Hyde in conversation. I stopped saying hello to him eventually. It was around the time just before he left Artforum so that might have had something to do with it.

Any information about the piece behind him? Kind of looks like two dead Dorothys?

X-rated:

8 years ago:

Tell us more about Warhol and life in NYC in the 80s as a young twink OP.

There used to be lots of these guys when I first moved to the Village in the late 80s. Had whole townhouses or huge apartments with a space dedicated to sex. But they were also so interesting, culturally aware and sophisticated. It wasn’t all about the money and real estate - they were more interested in culture, arts and sex than work and money. As a 20 year old, it was a great education. Between AIDS and age, the all seemed to disappear by the late 90s and the real rate was sold to straight venture capitalists.

R57. All too true. I had an architect friend that found an amazing lift just off Bank St in the village. That place would be $8,000 a month now easily. But back then, affordable. That architect was actually the guy who convinced Giuliani (yeah I know) to do the giant vertical lights at World Trade Center Post 9/11.

Had other artist friends or friends in that world who managed to make a decent living. Not so much anymore.

And the Village now just isn’t what it used to be. As well the meat packing district. Stating the obvious here, but there was more opportunity for creative types of all stripes back then.

Working at the factory, I met a lot of these people. Some highly interesting and intelligent. Some just plain charlatans. Mostly though the factory could be boring for weeks at a time. Especially during this summers. Brigid Berlin was fuckin awesome. I still talk w her. And beloved DL persona Fran Lebowitz was great. She could converse with a truck driver as eloquently as with some society cunt or an academic. Kenny (never knew his last name) answered phones also and appears in one f the documentaries. Blond cute guy with an IQ of about 30 lol. We messed around.

^ oh. R58 was me. The OP