CACTUS FLOWER (1969)
Any fans? Just watched it today as part of my Ingrid Bergman marathon and thought it was hilarious and very charming. Goldie Hawn won an Oscar for her performance in it
[quote]Distraught when her middle-aged lover breaks a date with her, 21-year-old Toni Simmons attempts suicide. Impressed by her action, her lover, dentist Julian Winston reconsiders marrying Toni, but he worries about her insistence on honesty. Having fabricated a wife and three children, Julian readily accepts when his devoted nurse, Stephanie, who has secretly loved Julian for years, offers to act as his wife and demand a divorce.
|by Anonymous||reply 105||05/24/2020|
Quentin Tarantino is a fan
|by Anonymous||reply 1||04/10/2020|
I only recently saw it a year or two ago, but found it very cute and charming.
|by Anonymous||reply 2||04/10/2020|
Would it have worked on the big screen with Betty?
|by Anonymous||reply 3||04/10/2020|
They should have cast someone other than Matthau. The idea of a pretty young thing like Goldie Hawn and an attractive thirty or forty something woman that Ingrid Bergman played both lusting after a hideous, unpleasant troll like Walter Matthau is creepy, far-fetched and ludicrous.
|by Anonymous||reply 4||04/10/2020|
What was the deal with Matthau's wife? Fan of Miss Havisham?
|by Anonymous||reply 5||04/10/2020|
According to Glenn Close, Carol Matthau's ghastly white makeup was her inspiration for Norma Desmond in Sunset Boulevard.
|by Anonymous||reply 7||04/10/2020|
Lovely movie, but I agree with R4, someone more attractive than Matthau should have been cast as the male lead.
I just can't think who should have been cast, Rock Hudson? He was about 45 then.
|by Anonymous||reply 8||04/10/2020|
Walter Matthau wasn’t conventionally handsome, but I see why women would have found him sexy then.
|by Anonymous||reply 10||04/10/2020|
Rod Taylor might have been a good choice too. The guy is basically a charming rogue who can't commit to a relationship, so it needed to played by someone with charisma like Hudson, Garner or Taylor. Matthau is just gross on every level.
|by Anonymous||reply 11||04/10/2020|
Connery would have been a good choice as long as he could pull off light comedy.
|by Anonymous||reply 13||04/10/2020|
Goldie Hawn didn't think she was going to win the Oscar, and decided to stay in London, instead of flying in for the ceremonies
She didn't even watch the ceremonies and went to bed, only to be awaken in the middle of the night by a phone call with someone screaming on the end saying
"YOU GOT IT"
Goldie thought "Got what?"
|by Anonymous||reply 14||04/10/2020|
Did any of our eldergays see Miss Bacall in the play on Broadway? How was she? Why didn't she get to do the movie version?
|by Anonymous||reply 15||04/10/2020|
[Quote] Why didn't she get to do the movie version?
|by Anonymous||reply 16||04/10/2020|
I presume Bacall in the Bergman role was much like her turn in Designing Woman.
|by Anonymous||reply 18||04/10/2020|
A remake would be fun. And I'm not usually a fan of remakes.
|by Anonymous||reply 19||04/10/2020|
The premise wouldn't work in the present day.
|by Anonymous||reply 20||04/10/2020|
We live in the age of the fuckboi. The expectation of marriage by a certain age has largely dissipated, or at least the stigma of being single has lessened so greatly. A man pretending to be married to the woman he's fucking would hold no appeal, even as a zany plot device, to today's audiences.
|by Anonymous||reply 22||04/10/2020|
Loved it! One of the first movies I saw on tee-vee as a young queer boy. I really liked Bergman in it but Bacall woulda nailed it to the wall.
|by Anonymous||reply 23||04/10/2020|
Bacall would have played it like this.
|by Anonymous||reply 24||04/10/2020|
Did they already remake it with Jennifer Aniston and Adam Sandler about a decade ago? I can't remember the name of it. It sounded too generic.
|by Anonymous||reply 25||04/10/2020|
How disappointing. I thought you were talking about real cactus flowers
|by Anonymous||reply 26||04/10/2020|
Or at least the patter OP
|by Anonymous||reply 27||04/10/2020|
R22, a remake could still work, there are still plenty of young women out there who want to get married and expect their men to follow their idea of a marriage timeline. And there are still plenty of straight men who want to make absolutely sure that this stay "no strings attached".
Starring Chris Pratt and Amy Adams... and hopefully not Adam Sandler and Jennifer Aniston.
|by Anonymous||reply 28||04/10/2020|
A remake set in America in the current day would make little sense because American society is now very familiar with and used to the man child and also to otherwise stable men who have a fear of commitment.
Therefore Dr. Winston wouldn't need to pretend to be already married in order to avoid commiting to a steady relationship with Toni. It might work if Julian is a bisexual having a fling with Tony and lies about being married to a woman to prevent the fling from turning into anything more serious.
|by Anonymous||reply 29||04/10/2020|
Bacall was deeply disappointed in not getting the film, but Applause soon came along which brought her even greater success on Broadway and a Tony Award. She didn't blame Bergman for her not getting the "Cactus Flower" film. A few years later, they made "Murder on the Orient Express" together.
|by Anonymous||reply 30||04/11/2020|
Yes, a modern remake would work, if the dentist character were changed to someone seriously rich, and the nurse character was changed to his indispensable PA. Then all the women he dated would be keen to marry him!
And sadly, this is one story that wouldn't work as a gay remake.
|by Anonymous||reply 31||04/11/2020|
Matthau was perfect as the archetype of a conservative man women desired, because he could take care of them financially and raise their social profile, being the wife of a doctor. He married a presentable woman and got himself a younger mistress.
Women lusting after men was considered demeaning (treating men like sex objects) and unladylike. Except when the men were singers (Elvis, The Beatles).
[quote] And sadly, this is one story that wouldn't work as a gay remake.
It would work as a satire where gays would fight over a right wing douche, like Peter Thiel or Aaron Schock, type of character. With a happy ending where the conservative falls for a scam artist who steals all his money and humiliates him.
|by Anonymous||reply 32||04/11/2020|
There is indeed a modern-day remake with Adam Sandler in the Matthau role. The Ingrid Bergman role is played by Jennifer Aniston (gasp!). It's called Just Go With It (2011). Whether it works or not is up to the viewer.
|by Anonymous||reply 33||04/11/2020|
James Garner would have been perfect in the role. Then I would have liked it, instead of having the film be the lowest ranking in my own Ingrid Bergman-marathon.
|by Anonymous||reply 34||04/11/2020|
So, about that Ingrid Bergman marathon. Which one is your favourite? Mine is Anastasia, I could watch it a dozen times and not get tired of it. Plus, Yul Brynner!!
|by Anonymous||reply 35||04/11/2020|
French theatre revival a few years back. The woman playing the dentist's secretary is a comedy star in France. The actor playing the dentist has also been a very big name in recent years. He's quite unusual.
Of course the original play is French (1964).
If you look at it as French, it all makes sense.
|by Anonymous||reply 36||04/11/2020|
The premise of this movie never made much sense to me. It implies a certain mindset, that I evidently don't have. Plus, two women fighting over Walter Matthau... That's stretching it a little bit.
|by Anonymous||reply 37||04/11/2020|
Where was this Tarantino discussion from and what other movies did he introduce?
|by Anonymous||reply 38||04/11/2020|
There was an Off Broadway revival in 2011 with Maxwell Caufield that was...um...not very good.
|by Anonymous||reply 39||04/11/2020|
R35 Anastasia was fantastic. Autumn Sonata (Bergman squared!), Stromboli and Gaslight are my among my new found favorites.
She really had the range for comedy as well - I was surprised by how funny she was in Cactus Flower, she stole every scene she was in without overdoing it.
Did she do any more comedies? I suppose Murder on the Orient Express would count as a comedic performance as well.
|by Anonymous||reply 40||04/11/2020|
Yes, Murder on the Orient Express definitely counts as comedy.
You have excellent taste! Those are among my favourite too.
Others that you might like:
The Visit for very dark comedy.
The segment she did with Rossellini for Siamo Donne is very funny. It's sort of a light-hearted documentary short.
I love Europa 51. There's no other film like it in her filmography. There are several versions of it and the one I saw is I believe the international version, found in the Criterion release.
I really like her Ivy Peterson in Dr. Jekyll et Mr. Hyde. She had a very good singing voice, too (as in Gaslight).
There are a few others that I like too, in Swedish and in French.
|by Anonymous||reply 41||04/11/2020|
Europa 51 is very depressing drama. Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde... Well, you know. Sorry for not mentioning that earlier.
|by Anonymous||reply 42||04/11/2020|
R38 Tarantino curated a collection for SBS World Movies of American '60s films that inspired Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.
He presented Bob & Carol & Ted & Alice, Cactus Flower, Easy Rider, Model Shop, Getting Straight, The Wrecking Crew, Hammerhead, Gunman’s Walk and Arizona Raiders. There are clips on Youtube of the discussions as in R1
|by Anonymous||reply 43||04/11/2020|
R41 R42 Thank you! I'm putting those at the top of my list right now. Goodbye Again with Anthony Perkins was quite good too, albeit depressing.
Tomorrow I'm either watching For Whom the Bell Tolls or A Woman's Face - I've only seen the American remake with Joan Crawford but remember really liking it.
|by Anonymous||reply 44||04/11/2020|
[quote]There was an Off Broadway revival in 2011 with Maxwell Caufield that was...um...not very good.
Yes, but it's much easier to swallow the idea of women fighting over Maxwell Caulfield.
|by Anonymous||reply 45||04/11/2020|
R41, Ingrid starred in a very good film with Anthony Quinn in the early 1970s, "A Walk in the Spring Rain", which is never shown on cable or movie channels.
|by Anonymous||reply 46||04/11/2020|
A Walk in the Spring Rain is one of the very few movies with Ingrid that I have not seen... Because it is never shown.
Out of her early Swedish movies, Munkbrogreven is a must because it's her first. It's very early talkie and completely different to what we see today. She plays the ingenue in an ensemble village-feel comedy (in the heart of Stockholm, Gamla stan the way it used to be a hundred years ago). Juninatten might be my favourite, she plays a complex character in a complex set of situations - again, more of an ensemble drama. Her character is important but the movie isn't built around her. Dollar is a champagne couples comedy with a touch of melancholy to it. The Swedish characters she played tended to have a lot more range than what she did 1939-1948.
Elena et les hommes (Jean Renoir) has a very similar feel to Les Grandes Manoeuvres (René Clair). It's a romantic comedy and Ingrid is very attractive in it. Shot right before Anastasia. It's wonderful to be sharing this with you! As you may have guessed, Ingrid Bergman is my favourite actress.
|by Anonymous||reply 47||04/11/2020|
R47 Wow, thanks again for the recommendations! Ingrid was a wonderful actress who gave consistently great performances throughout her career. I’ve liked her since I saw Casablanca and Spellbound as a young kid, it’s fun to finally go through her impressive body of work.
|by Anonymous||reply 48||04/11/2020|
R47 Here's A Walk in the Spring Rain as a download if you use torrents (download something like uTorrent to your computer - then just click download followed by the magnet symbol and it opens in uTorrent). It's very good Blu-ray quality, just under 2 GB.
|by Anonymous||reply 49||04/11/2020|
OMG, Thank You! I'll be watching that. WOW.
|by Anonymous||reply 50||04/11/2020|
Just Go With It is pretty funny.
|by Anonymous||reply 51||04/11/2020|
I didn’t know the made champagne in Idaho!
|by Anonymous||reply 52||04/11/2020|
R11 Rod Taylor would have been perfect. I can actually see him as a playboy.
|by Anonymous||reply 53||04/11/2020|
I always love a dancing Goldie!
|by Anonymous||reply 54||04/11/2020|
Quinn was in The Visit (mentioned n the list above) with Bergman too. She is excellent, and it's well directed and photographed, but still stagebound.
|by Anonymous||reply 56||04/13/2020|
R56 The Visit is a fantastic film, probably one of Ingrid's best performances. It's very dark and Kafkaesque with a touch of comedy, too bad it isn't talked about more.
|by Anonymous||reply 57||04/14/2020|
Jack Westen never appeared in a bad movie.
Great character actor
Who played his role in the Adam Sandler remake?
|by Anonymous||reply 58||04/14/2020|
Good point, R58 - and that's including Dirty Dancing.
|by Anonymous||reply 59||04/14/2020|
[quote]Jack Westen never appeared in a bad movie.
You mean Jack "Can't Stop the Music", "Gator", "Short Circuit 2" "Ishtar" Weston? That Jack Weston?
|by Anonymous||reply 60||04/14/2020|
Goldie alone saved the movie from being a crashing bore, and she deserved her controversial Oscar for that reason. Walter Matthau and Ingrid Bergman were miscast and they looked awful, especially Bergman, who looked heavy and more matronly than she did 10 years later. And any comedy with the grossly unappealing Jack Weston in a featured role was bound to be trouble. I guess they cast Weston since he was one of the few actors uglier than Matthau.
|by Anonymous||reply 62||04/14/2020|
"Cactus Flower" was Ingrid's first made in Hollywood movie since the Rossellini scandal. Up to then, all of her movies since the scandal had been made elsewhere.
|by Anonymous||reply 63||04/14/2020|
R62 You're wrong. Ingrid owns this movie, she's the "Cactus Flower" after all!
|by Anonymous||reply 64||04/14/2020|
[quote]Walter Matthau and Ingrid Bergman were miscast
What are you talking about? The play starred Barry Nelson and Lauren Bacall, complete contemporaries.
|by Anonymous||reply 65||04/14/2020|
There was a time when he might have seemed attractive enough. I think no one thinks of him now because all we remember of him is the grumpy old slobs he's played (well, I might add).
|by Anonymous||reply 67||04/14/2020|
Matthau was miscast, Bergman was not. She's the "flower" of the title, and she did a brilliant job of blossoming before our eyes, transforming from dowdy to radiant! Which yes, requires looking dowdy at first.
Matthau was really miscast, because you just can't believe that Goldie's character would take a serious interest in him. I mean, she's a free-spirited and sexy young woman, and he's a guy who has nothing to offer a woman except the money to raise a family in a nice house in the suburbs. And Goldie's girl character doesn't seem to be interested in that, it's hard to believe the two of them have any interest in each other at all. That's a problem in the script, but it could have been fixed by casting someone much more attractive as the dentist.
|by Anonymous||reply 68||04/14/2020|
R68, Matthau was as miscast as Jimmy Stewart was in "Rear Window".
|by Anonymous||reply 69||04/14/2020|
Why did the cast Matthau? Did they have anyone else in consideration? It's like they deliberately went with the worst possible actor for the part.
|by Anonymous||reply 70||04/15/2020|
Matthau had come off "The Odd Couple," hadn't he? I think some of you are thinking too much with your unimpressed dicks...
|by Anonymous||reply 71||04/15/2020|
Sometimes actors who lack good looks can win you over with their charm. The British are especially good at this.
Matthau had no charm.
|by Anonymous||reply 72||04/15/2020|
Have you seen "Charley Varrick" (sp?). I've never found Matthau sexy but he's believably sexual. And that's more important than floating everyone's boat.
|by Anonymous||reply 73||04/15/2020|
There's someone on this thread repeatedly trying to present the gross Walter Matthau as someone attractive or sexy.
|by Anonymous||reply 74||04/15/2020|
Goldie's nosejob was pretty damn good.
|by Anonymous||reply 76||04/17/2020|
I’ve always liked “Cactus Flower”. Ingrid Bergman is a favorite of mine, and she was wonderful in the film. Goldie Hawn was delightful in the role played on Broadway by Brenda Vaccaro, but still believe Catherine Burns in “Last Summer” deserved the Oscar that year. And the Quincy Jones score is great!
|by Anonymous||reply 77||04/17/2020|
Did Goldie and Ingrid enjoy working together? Their chemistry was great in the movie
Goldie later worked with Isabella Rossellini (Ingrid’s daughter, obviously) in Death Becomes Her
|by Anonymous||reply 78||04/17/2020|
[quote]Did she do any more comedies?
"Indiscreet," a romantic comedy with Cary Grant.
|by Anonymous||reply 80||04/17/2020|
I didn't realize she had appeared in so few comedies. She is very funny in "Murder on the Orient Express", although it's not a comedy. And she appeared on Broadway in Shaw's comedy, "Captain Brassbound's Conversion". Is that all?
|by Anonymous||reply 81||04/17/2020|
In "Indiscreet", Cary Grant played a man who, coincidentally, also pretended to be married to discourage his girlfriends from getting too attached.
|by Anonymous||reply 82||04/17/2020|
Her first movie, Munkbrogreven, was a comedy. Her last movie in Sweden, Dollar, was also a comedy. In fact, she excelled at both comedy and drama, and she enjoyed playing both. Hollywood typecast her in the 1940s on the basis of a hit she had in Sweden, Intermezzo, a romantic melodrama which was remade in America using the same title. Elena et les hommes, shot in France in 1955, was again a comedy.
|by Anonymous||reply 83||04/18/2020|
I'd like to see a remake - with modern alterations obviously
|by Anonymous||reply 85||04/29/2020|
R5 holy shit that's so bizarre!
|by Anonymous||reply 86||04/29/2020|
Matthau's son got a little nosejob. Was he an actor too?
|by Anonymous||reply 88||04/29/2020|
Carol Saroyan Matthau always wore white makeup. She was besties with Gloria Vanderbilt.
|by Anonymous||reply 89||04/29/2020|
Why did she wear her makeup like that?
|by Anonymous||reply 90||04/29/2020|
I guess if you're not best pleased to be a star's "plus one," you find ways to grab attention...
|by Anonymous||reply 92||04/29/2020|
"Walt, where'd you put my sift?"
|by Anonymous||reply 93||04/29/2020|
The make up artist of this movie must have been persuasive. Or the producer was...
|by Anonymous||reply 94||04/29/2020|
When Matthau won his Oscar in 1967, his wife was next to him looking like a ghost. At the Oscars no less. I guess it was the style of certain women in the 60s and 70s to do this, but I’ve never seen it on anyone else.
|by Anonymous||reply 95||04/29/2020|
In one of the bar scenes in CF, there is a female extra wearing a dress with a monarch butterfly print. Not small butterflies, but a bright orange dress with black and white, like an animal print but very large monarch butterflies instead. It's so gorgeous, I always rewind and pause to get a good look at it. I wish i could find a picture of it, I am obsessed.
|by Anonymous||reply 97||04/29/2020|
Charlie Matthau played Glenda Jackson's son in House Calls. Walter (whose character was named Charley) played her doctor/boyfriend, and he made a meta joke when he met her son, something like "He looks just like you". He still acts a bit.
|by Anonymous||reply 99||04/29/2020|
That Oscar clip at R95 is a hoot, because Carol Matthau truly looks like a ghostly apparition sitting in the audience. She was lifelong dear friends with Gloria Vanderbilt and Oona Chaplin, and I’ve seen photos of her in the 1940s and 1950s where she was pretty. I wonder when and WHY she chose that bizarre makeup look!
|by Anonymous||reply 100||04/30/2020|
[quote] I wonder when and WHY she chose that bizarre makeup look!
I wonder when and WHY Matthau liked that bizarre makeup look!
|by Anonymous||reply 101||04/30/2020|
Designer Mary McFadden did the same look.
|by Anonymous||reply 103||05/24/2020|
[quote]Jack Westen never appeared in a bad movie.
Maybe not, but Jack Weston and Peggy Cass played the parents of chimpanzees in the TV sitcom "The Hathaways."
|by Anonymous||reply 104||05/24/2020|
R104, Did Peggy have them by Cesarean?
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