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Vanessa Williams

I really like her, but why was she given a second chance when so many others were not? As I recall, her singing and acting careers took off not all that long after the Miss America scandal.

by Anonymousreply 23505/25/2020

Because she was beautiful and talented, and the rest of us aren’t prudes??

by Anonymousreply 104/08/2020

She's the most talented Miss America and was able to create a great career in modeling, acting, and singing despite the whole Miss America debacle.

by Anonymousreply 204/08/2020

I love her.

When asked a decade or two ago what her single biggest regret was, she said it was her involvement in the Miss America pageant.

(Not the nudie photos.)

by Anonymousreply 304/08/2020

Funny she couldn't be Miss America because of those photos but now she could be First Lady

by Anonymousreply 404/08/2020

Fair point. The level of hypocrisy is stunning. Almost anyone can access Melania's porn photos, but most of the media has chosen to ignore them completely for years now.

Vanessa was practically nailed to a cross for her photos.

by Anonymousreply 504/08/2020

She never wanted to be a pageant queen. She won the first pageant she entered. She'd always wanted to be a singer, actress and performer. She was not defeated by Miss America. She kept at it until she broke through. And yes, she is beautiful so that certainly helped.

All of that was nearly 40 years ago.

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by Anonymousreply 604/08/2020

She star was much bigger than Miss America.

Miss America apologized to her

by Anonymousreply 704/08/2020

Because she worked hard and she does have talent. The Right Stuff and especially Dreamin' proved she could sing. Ugly Betty proved she could act. And she is beautiful.

by Anonymousreply 804/08/2020

"Sometimes the snow comes down in June..."

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by Anonymousreply 904/08/2020

Vanessa and her then-manager later husband handled her comeback/reinvention brilliantly. They didn't downplay her beauty but they emphasized her singing talent, that she was a trained and skilled performer. She worked her ass off and created an elegant image. She really arrived when she took over for Chita Rivera in Kiss of the Spider Woman on Broadway, and knocked people's socks off. With that, she had a new gravitas - she'd made people see her differently and the Playboy stuff was as laid to rest as it would ever be.

by Anonymousreply 1004/08/2020

I believe being dethroned was the best thing to happen to her. Everyone new her name. Thankfully she had talent to fall back on.

by Anonymousreply 1104/08/2020

You are right about the nasty and naked Melania pics being swept under the rug R5. My Democrat MIL, who abhors Trump, had absolutely no idea what a nasty whore gold digger she is. She actually said she feels sorry for her and talked about how beautiful she is. WTF??? Not sure how you can tell if she is beautiful or not when she can no longer open her eyes beyond a squint.

by Anonymousreply 1204/08/2020

She didn’t do anything wrong.

She’s beautiful and poised.

Lots of people get second chances.

by Anonymousreply 1304/08/2020

Unlike the other Miss Americas, she really was talented and wasn't just singing really loudly.

Talent will find its way.

by Anonymousreply 1404/08/2020

She publicly admitted that she continued to hook up with Rick Fox after their divorce and who could blame her?

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by Anonymousreply 1504/08/2020

God I bet their children are gorgeous.

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by Anonymousreply 1704/08/2020

She was in "Trip to Bountiful" with Cicely Tyson. She was wonderful but also represented an image, the spoiled, light skinned black woman. In one of the scenes, Carrie is talking to her son and we hear the car honk offstage and it gets one of the biggest laughs of the night because it's so much in character with what we expect Williams to do.

by Anonymousreply 1804/08/2020

She's was criminally underused on Desperate Housewives. Her best performance was saving Bree from suicide and moving in with her for company and solace.

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by Anonymousreply 1904/08/2020

Desperate Housewives never knew what to do with any of the actresses they brought in, Vanessa, Dana, Alfrie, or that Sopranos woman

by Anonymousreply 2004/08/2020

Loved her as the uptight ice queen in Soul Food.

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by Anonymousreply 2104/08/2020

Like many pop culture "scandals," the only ones who cared were the media (who profited from it) and right wing wack jobs (who profited from it). No one else cared. She's a lovely young woman with a lovely body. A real scandal would had erupted had she been fat or old.

Has anyone here actually seen the photos? It one, Vanessa is photographed eating out a woman. Not that there's anything wrong with that but if you think the pictures were merely tasteful, demure nudes, you're wrong.

She resigned as Miss America in 1984 and she had a Top Ten hit on the Billboard pop charts in 1988. Yes, I'd agree that the "scandal" helped ignite her career since it certainly boosted her profile.

by Anonymousreply 2204/08/2020

R22= Suzette Charles, still waiting for her call from the Cosby Show.

by Anonymousreply 2304/08/2020

That's a crock of bullshit R22. She was not photographed eating a woman out.

by Anonymousreply 2404/08/2020

[quote]she'd made people see her differently and the Playboy stuff was as laid to rest as it would ever be.

Penthouse, not Playboy.

by Anonymousreply 2504/08/2020

Well she was kind of...but they were kind of artful pics. Black and white anyway.

She entered the Miss Syracuse pageant because she went to school at Syracuse, she won that, won Miss NY State. I was so proud of her be an Upstater - even though she wasn't really. I felt so bad for her when she lost the crown. My friend went to HS with her in Westchester, said she was a dramarama and had bad acne.

by Anonymousreply 2604/08/2020

Her version of Scrooge is my fave

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by Anonymousreply 2704/08/2020

She got a second chance because she has light skin and is gorgeous. She was ESPECIALLY gorgeous back then. A very pretty, light skinned, bi-racial woman who also happens to have a perfect looking body, and looks fantastic in beautiful clothing, and speaks as if though she is a well educated white person, will ALWAYS get second chances, because the people giving out those second chances, are white men. And in entertainment, specifically, the consumers of the products released by these bi-racial women, are accept, well liked, and purchased, by white women, white men, AA men, & AA women.

Not sure if 100% white, gay men and women are aware of this, but there isn’t much that white men love, than a woman who looks like Vanessa Williams, or Halle Berry. And I say this from personal experience. As long as the woman is pretty, is thin & well proportioned, dress well, is biracial, is culturally white, meaning speaks “white”, with zero southern drawls, or urban speak, AND has facial features that are European, meaning tiny noses, not too large of lips, a pretty smile, high cheekbones, and large, perfectly set eyes, that may or may not be green or hazel, but better if the eyes are, these white guys will fall all over themselves to give them second chances.

This is ESPECIALLY true in Hollywood and even in New York. It’s why most of these women end up married to white guys.

They are NOT perceived as black, and eventually, they are not even perceived as biracial. And trust me when I say that even when you remind them that you are biracial, they will tell you you are WHITE. LMAO.

The one problem these women DO face, socially, is that depending on where they live, white women and even black women, usually hate them. Expect no friendships or just a few friends, if biracial and attractive in the South. However, the South goes as Hollywood and NY goes, when it comes to the men. The men there, fall all over these chicks too.

Vanessa nudes, & graphic porn pics made her a superstar. Halle Berry literally hit a pedestrian who was VERY injured, with her SUV, in West Hollywood. Rather than stopping and attempting to call 911, and attempt to assist the injured, as well as police reports, sobriety field tests, etc., Halle took off in her SUV, & called her “fixer”, who made it possible for Halle to not be charged with a felony hit and run, and serve mandatory jail time. She never got arrested, never got finger printed, never even faced the justice any black man or even black woman, could have EVER dreamed of dodging. She went on to work non-stop, win an Academy Award, have kids, marriages, messy divorces, and unlike JLaw, and other A list actresses, Halle 100% escaped the microscope of the #metoo movement, and NO ONE questioned, how she also, got an Academic Award under a Weinstein/Miramax film, nor did anyone scrutinize her decades long relationship with someone who has been accused of sexual misconduct and improper behaviors, toward other actresses in the biz.

You think Mo’Nique, or any other overweight, “urban” actress would have received this type of protection?


With Oprah being the exception, and because Oprah hit the ratings jackpot IMMEDIATELY, and very quickly became a decision maker and literal boss, these “second chances”, or any type of success, in any field, or preferential treatment, or protection from actual laws and the justice system, or PR havens from the storm, are only offered to women of color, who look like Vanessa Williams, and Halle Berry, because the people who have this power, are white, straight men. This thread might disappear, just because it mentions Halle. No surprise.

P.S.: I do not begrudge Halle her success, however, Halle, like multiple actresses who won Academy Awards under the Miramax umbrella, did not deserve that AA. She was good, but she wasn’t that good, & I am glad she got it, but that was not the kind of performance that merits an AA for Best Actress. Ditto for Goop, for Shakespeare in Love, so no exceptions here.

by Anonymousreply 2804/08/2020

I loved her in Dance With Me! The movie didn't get great reviews, but I never understood why. Plus I liked her chemistry with Chayanne.

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by Anonymousreply 2904/08/2020

R28: Interesting post. However not all of we white guys, be we gay or straight think the lighter skinned the better. I don't like pert little noses, or any of the traits you mentioned.

by Anonymousreply 3004/08/2020

R24, One photo had Vanessa kneeling in front of another woman, both nude, with Vanessa's extended tongue just touching the other woman's pubes.

by Anonymousreply 3104/08/2020

[quote] she was a dramarama and had bad acne

She did commercials for Pro-active, anti acne cream

by Anonymousreply 3204/08/2020

I think she lives in the same town as the Clintons, Chappaqua, NY

by Anonymousreply 3304/08/2020

Yeah she was from near there my friend grew up in Chapp..and Vanessa doesn't have a button nose. She had light skin and hair but has African features, full lips, broader nose. Still gorgeous.

by Anonymousreply 3404/08/2020

R30, agreed. I find beauty in all features and configurations, because beautiful or real, physical beauty, presents as such, regardless of pert little noses, etc. That said, those particular features of euro-black women, translated in from the 1970s to the early to mid 2000s, as more palatable for wide audiences, across multiple demographics, and were specifically preferred in the entertainment industry for film, television, and even some music genres, when decision makers were evaluating the entire “package”, offered by the performer. We’re talking mass sales, which performers are a device used, in which those mass sales are generated by. Mariah Carey, Vanessa Williams, Whitney Houston, Halle Berry, and even Allyah, are examples of this.

When rap hit the scene, it paved the way for middle Americans to become exposed to urban AA culture, and paved the way for AA women of all shapes, weights, sizes, and varying skin tones, and hairstyles, to get in on the game, however, before that, the road to mainstream, critically acclaimed, success and profits, thereof, was pretty rigid for women of color. Even girl groups and standout performers in the 60s, had to conform to some of this ethnic-Caucasian aesthetic, in order to perform on TV. Tina Turner and others broke out of that, but using Tina as an example, she also achieved mainstream success as a solo artist very quickly, because she already had a long & lucrative career as a performer behind her, rather than attempting to begin one from scratch.

The market is totally different now, thank goodness. I loathe cutesy performers who still follow this formula, like Arianna Grande, but hey-she proves that it still works, and works really, really well.

by Anonymousreply 3504/08/2020

saw her house on one of those cable "haunted homes" or something like that shows... her home was ugly on the outside, and very very dark on the inside... horrible in every way, of all the places she could live she chose that?..

by Anonymousreply 3604/08/2020

I remember being surprised at at her nude pictures because they weren’t boudoir style.

by Anonymousreply 3704/08/2020

Vanessa probably introduced rimming to a significant percentage of Americans.

by Anonymousreply 3804/08/2020

Does she have a Tony?

by Anonymousreply 3904/08/2020

Here is the pic that R24 says doesn’t exist

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by Anonymousreply 4004/08/2020

She's getting right in there.

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by Anonymousreply 4104/08/2020

Vanessa was more of a pillow princess, I guess.

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by Anonymousreply 4204/08/2020

The "I was poor, I needed the money" story never made sense to me. When I heard Williams' story that she was sexually abused as a child, the poor decision making made more sense. Was she also a cokehead/party girl?

by Anonymousreply 4304/08/2020

I like her too, but something about her story has never added up. It’s not like the photos were just pictures of her naked by herself, but they were practically soft-core pron of her simulating sex with another woman. I don’t care if she was only 18 or 19 - nobody would agree to do photos like that unless A) they were into that type of thing and/or B) They were paid REALLY good money.

If my boss asked me to do something like that, I would have immediately quit and turned him. It just doesn’t make sense to me.

by Anonymousreply 4404/08/2020

R43 OMG we practically posted the same thing!

by Anonymousreply 4504/08/2020

Williams has said that she was sexually abused by another female when Williams was a child. Hypersexual behavior is pretty common among victims of child sex abuse.

by Anonymousreply 4604/08/2020

Years ago I was sort of humiliatingly fired from my job. It was a long story and I won in the end but it was still very difficult. And for me, thinking about what Vanessa Williams went through before her big success really helped me. It was a huge public humiliation and it wasn’t clear the public would accept her back. She worked hard and talent and won. She’s an inspiration to me.

by Anonymousreply 4704/08/2020

You were accessing porn on your work computer?

by Anonymousreply 4804/08/2020

r35 Ariana Grande is not black.

by Anonymousreply 4904/08/2020

Those photos are so tame today, even the pussy-licking one. But that was back in the Reagan 80s, when a photo like that had people clutching their pearls.

by Anonymousreply 5004/08/2020

Tina did not achieve solo success very quickly. The remained of the 1970s was not a great time for her. She had flop album after flop album before hitting paydirt in the UK.

by Anonymousreply 5104/08/2020

I don't know... is analingus standard in softcore?

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by Anonymousreply 5204/08/2020

Before computers, r48. I’m an elder gay.

by Anonymousreply 5304/08/2020

[Quote] Before computers, [R48]. I’m an elder gay.

... stone tablets?

by Anonymousreply 5404/08/2020

We've had a number of people post here over the years who say that she's a complete delight to work with. I imagine that counts for a lot.

by Anonymousreply 5504/08/2020

The brown skinned Vanessa Williams (Melrose Place, New Jack City, Candyman, Soul Food the tv show, etc.) is still gorgeous too. The reason light skinned VW adds the “L” to her name whenever she does movies is because brown skin VW was the first to join SAG. They used to get each other’s mail too.

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by Anonymousreply 5604/08/2020

Vanessa Williams recently played the mother of Vanessa L. Williams daughter in a TV movie. Marla Gibbs was in it as well.

by Anonymousreply 5704/08/2020

I saw her in the Broadway revival of Into the Woods. I was not prepared for how stunningly beautiful she would be. I literally could not take my eyes off her whenever she was on stage during the second act (when she transformed from the ugly witch to the beautiful witch).

I will say that as a singer, she was not able to wrap her mouth around the complex lyrics the way Bernadette Peters could, but it did not matter because she was so beautiful.

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by Anonymousreply 5804/08/2020

Yeah. As a singer, she's not all that special. The voice is pleasant enough but there isn't much interesting in her interpretation.

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by Anonymousreply 5904/08/2020

she always had a pleasant voice that worked with the songs she sang and let's face it great beauty helped if she was plain jane don't know how far she would have got as a singing/pop star (in this regard she reminds me of olivia newton john).. .. i do though sometimes take issue with her over pronounced mouth and lips gestures when she sings some words or the end of a lyric/phrase, gets it's just her own style.

favorite song of hers is still "dreamin"...

by Anonymousreply 6004/08/2020

[quote] I will say that as a singer, she was not able to wrap her mouth around the complex lyrics the way Bernadette Peters could, but it did not matter because she was so beautiful.

I was similarly more impressed with her looks than her singing in "Into The Woods." However, I prefer her recording of "The Last Midnight" to Bernadette Peters'.

by Anonymousreply 6104/08/2020

R52 That was quite the to-do back then. I remember being at dinner with some people, one of whom had just seen the pictures. We eagerly asked for details – were they really all that bad? I can still hear him saying, "OHHH yeah. She was gettin' licked."

That said, she is very beautiful and talented, and I salute her for building a great career. That sort of scandal could really end you in those days. And yet she persisted!

by Anonymousreply 6204/08/2020

I was very young (grade school) during the Miss America scandal, and even at that age I wondered what the big deal was. Not too long after that, nude photos Madonna had taken years before surfaced and that was another big scandal. Madonna shrugged it off, said "who cares?" and it only made her more famous.

by Anonymousreply 6304/08/2020

I think she has a nice voice. Her jazzy Christmas albums are excellent and make great use of her voice.

by Anonymousreply 6404/08/2020

Her ex husband was brilliant in engineering her comeback from the scandal. In reality, she only had like 2 weeks left of actual Miss America duties then got time off the was to come back to crown her successor. That’s why Suzette Charles was so pissed at the organization for years because she was led to believe she would be making all kinds of appearances when in reality everything had already been pre scheduled. Suzette was opening for Stevie Wonder, Lou Rawls, Bill Cosby and Al Jarreau, which would’ve been much more beneficial for her in launching an entertainment career then being Miss America for a month and a half. Had she declined it the title would’ve gone to the 3rd runner up as the 2nd runner up was about to get married.

Her parents were educators and she’s lived in Westchester county for most of her life. Her book is great she wrote with her mom. The girl/girl photos were taken with a photographer she was working with as a stylist/makeup artist part time. She was told the pics would be in silhouette and you wouldn’t be able to see her. They were first offered to Playboy by an associate of the photographer but they declined as the person couldn’t produce a model release and they didn’t want to be known for taking down the first black miss America. The photographer produced a model release (which she says wasn’t her signature) and penthouse ran the photos.

by Anonymousreply 6504/08/2020

R29 I really loved that movie.

by Anonymousreply 6604/08/2020

Vanessa Williams has always been a class act. She handled that scandal with lots of grace.

by Anonymousreply 6704/08/2020

You went and saved the best for last.

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by Anonymousreply 6804/08/2020

The person finding all the pictures, thanks. If you find charlize Therons" could you post them? Adding to my porn stash.

by Anonymousreply 6904/08/2020

She’s NOT biracial R28. Both her parents are black and she’s said so many times.

She has white in her family history but she doesn’t identify as biracial.

by Anonymousreply 7004/08/2020

Because she's Wilhelmina Slater and she doesn't get wet.

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by Anonymousreply 7104/08/2020

I thought it was the greatest Hollywood comeback from a scandal until Robert Downey, Jr..... But I wouldn't say it was a second chance. It was her notoriety that helped get her thru the door. Certain producers wanted to take a chance on her believing the scandal would spark curiosity. They were right. To her credit, she had the beauty and talent to back it up. Her manager did a brilliant job.

One more important thing: America loves to forgive. As long as the person shows remorse and it's handled properly. She proved herself to be a real class act. She also has a reputation of being wonderful to work with. A bad word has never been said about her.

by Anonymousreply 7204/08/2020

Yeah, the talent stood out. She diversified herself - albums, films, TV, Broadway. And she had the right look. Just gorgeous.

I think she is a good singer but the fact that she was so photogenic helped her become a star in the video age.

by Anonymousreply 7304/08/2020

[quote]why was she given a second chance when so many others were not?

Others like who? I can't think of many people from the 1960s onward who lost their entire careers because they were in a nudie photo. Lyle Waggoner lost his job on The Carol Burnett Show but he still had a decent career, and that years and years before Vanessa Williams's photos were released.

If I recall, no one really went after Lisa Bonet either, and that was about the same time.

I guess I'm not really understanding the whole premise of this. I feel like OP created a scenario that wasn't true ("everyone else lost their careers!") just to slam Vanessa Williams in some oblique way.

by Anonymousreply 7404/08/2020

Ramon Hervey was her first husband and manager. He.locked in her record contract and was in charge of her image rehabilitacion.

Her talent took it from there.

by Anonymousreply 7504/08/2020

I've always admired Vanessa Williams. She's the only reason I watched the remake of "Bye, Bye, Birdie" which was, if I recall correctly, not bad. I was not disappointed. She was excellent.

While now, interracial couples (Jason Alexander) casting is hardly noticed, I remember, that was part of my interest, too.

by Anonymousreply 7604/09/2020

R74.. lyle waggoner didn't pose fully frontal nude flaccid or hard, and didn't pose very suggestively with another guy either. i believe he only showed "hint" of a bush in one photo for his playgirl spread... and we all know men run hollywood so even if he had it wouldn't have hurt him, as it didn't hurt burt reynolds either (except for him winning acting awards)..

by Anonymousreply 7704/09/2020

Jim Brown showed full frontal. Williams' problem was that she simulated sex relatively explicitly, with a woman no less. Remember the backlash to Madonna's SEX book? Madonna posed in a similar way to Williams ("eating the booty like groceries" as some would say).

by Anonymousreply 7804/09/2020

[quote] One more important thing: America loves to forgive. As long as the person shows remorse and it's handled properly.

The remarkable thing about Vanessa is that she never showed remorse or apologized.

by Anonymousreply 7904/09/2020

Indeed, Miss America apologized to HER. Which is good.

by Anonymousreply 8004/09/2020

R72 "America loves to forgive ". I think Williams is quite talented and didn't do anything wrong but I believe that Americans widely vaunted capacity for forgiveness is hugely exaggerated. I still see a lot of bile and anger directed at people for past mistakes. I think the truth is that Williams was forgiven, or not given too hard a time, because she is attractive. Americans will never be too rough with good looking people.

by Anonymousreply 8104/09/2020

Williams portrait at the Miss America offices at the time was replaced by a portrait of Elizabeth ward who was Miss America 1982 and would pose for playboy almost a decade later and eventually cop to a one night stand with bill Clinton.

In her book Vanessa talks about how pebbles stole the song girlfriend from her. It was to be the first song from her debut album and produced by la Reid and babyface. Pebbles showed up to a recording session when Williams was recording the song and got la Reid to give her the song by giving him $$ a car and her pussy. Babyface tried to get the song back but was unsuccessful and Williams never spoke to Reid again.

by Anonymousreply 8204/09/2020

I've never read a word about her being anything but professional, friendly, down to earth and a pleasure to work with.

Michael Urie said she told him to stand as close to her as possible during the early episodes of Ugly Betty in order to help him get more screen time.

And of course there was the main cast gift to the crew at the Desperate Housewives wrap — sets of luggage from the three original women and Vanessa (not Teri).

by Anonymousreply 8304/09/2020

What did she do that she had to show remorse for, R79? She gave interviews about it afterwards and seemed honest. She didn't deny that she believed she'd acquired the negatives and couldn't be hurt by them.

by Anonymousreply 8404/09/2020

[quote]Michael Urie said she told him to stand as close to her as possible during the early episodes of Ugly Betty in order to help him get more screen time.

It wasn't just that. Wilhelmina's assistant was supposed to be like Murphy Brown's secretary, so it would be a revolving door of guest stars. Vanessa liked Michael so much that she figured out a way to get the producers to keep him.

I have a really hard time imagining that there are many people in Hollywood who are that gracious.

by Anonymousreply 8504/09/2020

That's not gracious. That's canny. She saw his potential as a foil.

by Anonymousreply 8604/09/2020

Vanessa definitely knows that one only looks better if she makes others look good too, which explains why she is liked by both the Ugly Betty and the witches coven that was Desperate Housewives.

She knows the benefits of being part of an ensemble.

by Anonymousreply 8704/09/2020

I was surprised she never played Deena in Dreamgirls. Or even Roxie or Velma in Chicago.

by Anonymousreply 8804/09/2020

[Quote] Americans will never be too rough with good looking people.


by Anonymousreply 8904/09/2020

[quote] In her book Vanessa talks about how pebbles stole the song girlfriend from her. It was to be the first song from her debut album and produced by la Reid and babyface. Pebbles showed up to a recording session when Williams was recording the song and got la Reid to give her the song by giving him $$ a car and her pussy. Babyface tried to get the song back but was unsuccessful and Williams never spoke to Reid again.

Perri (Pebbles) is, was and always will be a scheming cunt. She fucked TLC over big time.

by Anonymousreply 9004/09/2020

It seems Vanessa and Rick Fox are still very close. They are appearing on the BET show Twenties.

by Anonymousreply 9104/09/2020

I'd ride on Rick Fox for daaaays!

by Anonymousreply 9204/09/2020

Did she make any comment when her old cast ate Flicka was arrested?

I remember she chipped in with 3/4 Housewives to buy gifts for the crew, which was a very classy thing to do as she likely earned a lot less than the "stars"

by Anonymousreply 9304/11/2020

R74, Lyle left the Burnett show on his own, he was not fired. Carol was not pleased that he decided to leave.

by Anonymousreply 9404/11/2020

Is she the most successful performer to have won the MA crown? I had hopes Kate Shindle would break through but she never really did, although I enjoyed her turn as a crazed lesbian on the Good Wife spin-off.

by Anonymousreply 9504/11/2020

America "forgave" Vanessa because they finally realized she got a raw deal from that dirtball scumbag extraordinaire, Bob Guccione. So glad that nasty bitch died broke.

by Anonymousreply 9604/11/2020

When she transformed from the witch in INTO THE WOODS, the audience gasped at how pretty she was. I was shocked too. I think Suzette Charles has a better voice and is just as pretty and enthnically ambiguous. I like them both.

by Anonymousreply 9704/11/2020

WHERE IS suzette charles now?

i remember thinking shawn weatherly was GORGEOUS STUNNING and then she aged badly and married for money how many times married larry king.

by Anonymousreply 9804/11/2020

[quote]R31 One photo had Vanessa kneeling in front of another woman, both nude, with Vanessa's extended tongue just touching the other woman's pubes.

Well, not exactly.

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by Anonymousreply 9904/11/2020

Shawn weatherly isn’t married to Larry king. Suzette Charles had a great voice but not the stage presence that Vanessa has. She married a doctor and reconnected with the organization a few years ago and was one of the former winners that spearheaded the ouster of the ceo Sam Haskell and later part of the group that tried to get rid of Gretchen Carlson.

by Anonymousreply 10004/11/2020

I remember being disappointed that she returned her crown, thinking I’d be like, “Well, you can try to come and GET it, bitches!!!”

(But then, she’s probably classier than I am.)

by Anonymousreply 10104/11/2020

Because by that time everybody knew what a meaningless crock of shit beauty pageants were.

by Anonymousreply 10204/11/2020

On stage how do they manage to change the witch from ugly to stunning live on stage?

by Anonymousreply 10304/11/2020

[quote]Is she the most successful performer to have won the MA crown? I had hopes Kate Shindle would break through but she never really did, although I enjoyed her turn as a crazed lesbian on the Good Wife spin-off.

I saw Kate Shindle in "Fun Home" — she was excellent in both the musical and dramatic parts.

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by Anonymousreply 10404/11/2020

Vanessa Williams is a bad ass. What happened to whichever bland bitch they replaced her with?

by Anonymousreply 10504/11/2020

Suzette from a few years ago she still looks great and has the New Jersey accent.

Vanessa actually got to keep her crown , schloppy the Atlantic City trophy company that made them had to make a new crown for the 1985 winner.

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by Anonymousreply 10604/11/2020

I agree Suzette looks great. I liked her in that pageant and remember feeling like either she or Vanessa would be a great choice.

by Anonymousreply 10704/11/2020

Vanessa is the best part of Ugly Betty. Which is saying a lot since Michael Urie, Becki Newton, Ana Ortiz and Judith Light are phenomenal in it as well.

by Anonymousreply 10804/11/2020

U.m. Gee. Thanks, R108

by Anonymousreply 10904/13/2020

Because we weren’t insufferable cancel cunts back then.

And as already stated, Vanesa Williams was drop dead gorgeous and very talented.

by Anonymousreply 11004/13/2020

As noted earlier, her ex-husband was brilliant in rehabilitating her image. Of course, she's very talented too. It wasn't easy for her comeback. It was a very different time and there are interviews where Williams speaks of that period and the difficulties that she had getting booked, etc.

I recall that photo spread (I've heard that that issue of Penthouse would sell for over $1000, if it's in good condition) and I thought the pictures were all artfully done which is unlike the gal's nudies (who now lives at 1600 Pennsylvania) and how they look as if they were shot by a third rate photographer.

But, enough credit isn't given to Bob Guccione (CEO of Penthouse) because those pictures went on the market as soon as Williams was crowned. Hugh Hefner wouldn't touch them. However, Guccione bought them and held them until (I believe) two months before she was to have ended her reign as Miss America. I guess he realized the importance of the moment with her being the first Black Miss America. Williams served quite well during her time as Miss America too. But, Guccione did have to make his money back. Anyway, he gets some props for holding those pictures for as long as he did.

by Anonymousreply 11104/13/2020

I don't think the pics are all that great.

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She had a big ol' bush!

by Anonymousreply 11304/13/2020

Well, I never!

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by Anonymousreply 11404/13/2020

My God, was she ever an idiot for having those pictures taken. What the hell was she thinking, that the photos were "art?" In one of them a woman has her nose in her asshole, in another one the same woman has her mouth in her crotch. And in yet another one she's got her legs spread so you can clearly see her hairy crotch and floppy lips. I think the photographer who took them said that she was "hardcore" and "liked to get down." Well, I guess she was! And she ran for Miss America after doing this? Did she think the pictures would never come to light? Was she that stupid? At any rate, after she abdicated her Miss America throne she was free to pursue other aspects of a career. I think people thought she was unsuitable as Miss America (she was) but could be tolerated as a celebrity.

By the way, she has a VERY ugly vagina.

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by Anonymousreply 11604/13/2020

Post a pretty vagina, r115.

by Anonymousreply 11704/13/2020

R116 = fucktard

by Anonymousreply 11804/13/2020

R118=shitstain on the panties of life.

by Anonymousreply 11904/13/2020

"Post a pretty vagina."

Ever watched any porn? There are plenty of prettier vaginas out there, much more attractive than Vanessa Williams' grungy looking bearded clam.

by Anonymousreply 12004/13/2020

R119 = fucktard with his befouled pink panties in a bunch.

by Anonymousreply 12104/13/2020

R121=licked gayle grinds shit covered walls

by Anonymousreply 12204/13/2020

R122 = loony fucktard with a bug up his dingle-berry encrusted bunghole

by Anonymousreply 12304/13/2020

[quote]I think the truth is that Williams was forgiven, or not given too hard a time, because she is attractive. Americans will never be too rough with good looking people.

I don't know about that. It could not have been one of the better periods of her life. She had the Black community that was outraged because as the first Black Miss America she wasn't no where near BLACK enough to satisfy them. Then, she had many in the White community who thought that she was too Black. The girl was always receiving death threats during that period.

Her talent saved her. She was able to make a name for herself from the jobs that she was able to get, and according to her, the phone was not ringing off of the hook. But, look at her now! A lot of people don't even remember her being a Miss America title holder.

by Anonymousreply 12404/13/2020

R123=rimmed Bill Cosby after he ate chili and starred in Ernas scat movies.

by Anonymousreply 12504/13/2020

You have to remember that the Miss America Pageant was still a big deal back then. It was broadcast on one of the Big Three networks and got millions of viewers. The girl who got crowned Miss America was front page news the next day.

It's all so quaint now. Beauty pageants are such a relic, even though they're still around. Nobody's given a shit about Miss America in many years.

by Anonymousreply 12604/13/2020

R115 I agree. I never fell for the naive young woman excuse. If someone asked me to pose for pictures like that, I would have ran out the door and thought they were a pervert. Those photographs are not “art” in any way, just nasty.

by Anonymousreply 12704/13/2020

r115 = Veronica Cartwright in The Witches of Eastwick.

by Anonymousreply 12804/13/2020

[quote]I think the photographer who took them said that she was "hardcore" and "liked to get down." Well, I guess she was!


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I thought she worked as a receptionist or something for the photographer who did the original b+w series.

There were two layouts in two different issues of Penthouse. After the first issue ran, more photos surfaced (or were FAKED!)

The second set are the pics in leather, and some color shots.

by Anonymousreply 13004/13/2020

I thought she dated the photographer

by Anonymousreply 13104/13/2020

She had some red wine. Trusted the guy and wanted to rebel. She talks about it in her book. I never got the impression she was playing naive. Maybe back then to save face with the organization. Who cares. All your little twisted celebrities lie though when they get caught. It's the art of acting. It's all they know.

by Anonymousreply 13204/13/2020

[Quote] I thought she dated the photographer

He certainly fucked her in one sense.

by Anonymousreply 13304/13/2020

She said the photographer told her the photos would be in silhouette so her face wouldn't be shown. If that's actually true, I can't believe she fell for that.

by Anonymousreply 13404/13/2020

"She said the photographer told her the photos would be in silhouette so her face wouldn't be shown. If that's actually true, I can't believe she fell for that."

HAHAHA! Yeah, I'm sure that's why she did lesbian porn photos, because she thought "her face wouldn't be shown." What utter horseshit. I think she did them because she wanted the experience of an erotic photo session with another woman. In ALL the photos, she looks like she's having a really good time doing the lesbo thang with the lissome blonde.

by Anonymousreply 13504/14/2020

I've met her. Really nice.

When Madonna said, "So what. I'm not ashamed" about her nude photos leaking that was the tipping point for those sleazebags to blackmail or sell nude photos of celebs before they became famous. I think Vanessa has credited Madonna with destroying that industry.

by Anonymousreply 13604/14/2020

Idiot @ r115 You've spent too much time looking at staged hetero porn with plastic dolls who got into the industry to pay for their plastic surgery in hopes to make it big as a movie star in Hollywood.

Vanessa Williams has a very normal looking vagina and breasts.

by Anonymousreply 13704/14/2020

"Vanessa Williams has a very normal looking vagina and breasts."

"Normal" doesn't necessarily constitute attractive, asshole. And in Vanessa Williams' case her tits were floppy not firm (one of them looks bigger than the other) and her gnarly vagina lips look like two pieces of mangled bacon. She really should have thought twice before baring those floppy titties and that unsightly hair pie.

by Anonymousreply 13804/14/2020

She was very well-liked on Desperate Housewives and you know how those bitches were...

by Anonymousreply 13904/14/2020

She was very well-liked on Desperate Housewives and you know how those bitches were...

by Anonymousreply 14004/14/2020

R135 Exactly. No way would a truly straight woman take pictures like that. And as for the red wine excuse...🙄. Please.

by Anonymousreply 14104/14/2020

R135/138 chewed Harvey Weinsteins back blackheads because it reminded him of chewing the bedsore on his grandmas ass.

by Anonymousreply 14204/14/2020

Don't forget "A Diva's Christmas Carol" with Kathy Griffin.

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R142, you're not funny or clever, you're just pathetic. You're a retard. Everybody knows that. Why keeps reiterating it?

by Anonymousreply 14404/14/2020

R144 stop taking out your frustration on being a partial birth abortion on others. No one can help it if your mother couldn’t get the wire hanger in far enough.

by Anonymousreply 14504/14/2020

R145, I'm very sorry that your only sexual experience consists of being cornholed by your Daddy ages 6 through 17 (he eventually got tired of you). Your mental retardation no doubts stems from that, that and the fact that your mother liked to get her pussy pounded by HER Daddy, resulting in you, her little retarded incest baby. Such a terrible family history. You're a retarded asshole, but I pity you.

by Anonymousreply 14604/14/2020

She is an Emmy, Tony & Grammy nominee - and she lost all three.

If she ever gets nominated and loses an Oscar she will join Lynn Redgrave as the biggest EGOT Loser in history

by Anonymousreply 14704/14/2020

R146 stop projecting your issues on others. Please don’t forget to go down to police department and complete your sex offender registry, it’s a felony if you don’t. BTW sorry you were pimped out for donkey shows.

Look Stefonknee you will never be a six year old girl time to accept it.

by Anonymousreply 14804/14/2020

[quote]She had the Black community that was outraged because as the first Black Miss America she wasn't no where near BLACK enough to satisfy them.

BOY! I remember how Essence magazine RIPPED her apart when she was crowned!

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by Anonymousreply 14904/14/2020

I grew up in a very racists family where my "charming" dad would call people of colour (including our household staff) monkey. Imagine growing up gay in such a household and having an endless secret crush on Vanessa Williams.

by Anonymousreply 15004/27/2020

Her brother is gay, right?

by Anonymousreply 15104/28/2020

^ I don't know about her brother, but her looks like family. He is 27 and a FIDM grad, and he gives off gay vibes. Cute, though not handsome.

by Anonymousreply 15204/28/2020

I've seen the pictures and she'snot eating out a woman so fuck you.

She is posing with another nude woman and yes her face is vis a vis the other woman's crotch but it's a pose. There's distance, and nothing is happening.

All the pictures were "erotic". None even come close to Madonna's "Sex" book, which today looks tame. Vanessa isn't doing anything in any of the photos. It's all poses.

by Anonymousreply 15304/28/2020

r152 This brother? He's 52. How could she have a brother who's 30 years younger?

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Sorry, I meant her son, Devin.

by Anonymousreply 15504/28/2020

Her son Devin also look gay. Her 2 oldest daughters are fugs. The youngest daughter is obese. Seems like Rick Fox is a carrier of the fat gene because his son is also a fatty.

by Anonymousreply 15604/28/2020

I love her pussy. It looks very inviting and a pussy that can handle a proper fuck.

by Anonymousreply 15704/29/2020

I wonder if she was ever with a woman; just something about those pictures gives me a feeling. I don't mean the molestation incident, that's grotesque, I mean as an adult.

by Anonymousreply 15804/29/2020

The father of her three oldest kids (her first husband) is fug, so unfortunately the kids got some of his genes.

by Anonymousreply 15904/29/2020

No r158, Vanessa is dick crazy, no women for her.

by Anonymousreply 16004/29/2020

Thanks r160. I just clicked on a picture of hers online and it links to "tea" about her on Lipstick Alley; not going to go check it out then. No point if she's strictly dickly.

by Anonymousreply 16104/29/2020

r152 Devin has been dating the same chick for over 5 years. So I assume, not gay. He is ugly tho just like his other siblings.

by Anonymousreply 16205/04/2020

Because she saved the best for last.

by Anonymousreply 16305/04/2020

I would let Rick Fox put his genes in me.

by Anonymousreply 16405/04/2020

Still to this day the media loves nothing more than to build someone up, tear him or her down, and then cover the well deserved comeback. It sells magazines, newspapers, gets you ratings and clicks.

by Anonymousreply 16505/04/2020

I think Vanessa turned what could have been a total career killer into a success story. She let the scandal play out, slowly came back with two pop hits and then went into acting. I have always been impressed by her tenacity and look forward to watching what she does next.

by Anonymousreply 16605/04/2020

I really like Vanessa. I admire that she turned a bad experience into a success story. And she is still absolutely stunning.

I did not know about the nude photos and was going to say who cares, but those antiquated beauty pageants seem to. But don't get me started on them...

by Anonymousreply 16705/04/2020

Wasn't this song Girlfriend written for her to record?

Didn't that cunt Pebbles steal it?

Isn't that what happened.

Sorry Pebbly poo....

VW doesn't need your shity little song to be a star!

by Anonymousreply 16805/07/2020

Bob Guccione died bankrupt and in pain. Served him right.

by Anonymousreply 16905/07/2020

She’s someone who apparently has a great reputation behind the scenes. She’s a team player and sticks her neck out for people she thinks are talented and deserve a shot.

by Anonymousreply 17005/08/2020

R166, she lost everything when the photos came out and it took her a long time to get anything. She auditioned for My One and Only and despite doing a great audition, one of the Gershwin's allegedly said that she would never have "that whore:" on stage. People liked her and her look as well as her story so she kept getting small breaks and the audiences accepted her.

by Anonymousreply 17105/08/2020

I like her. She seems like a good person. Her singing, music and acting, not so much.

by Anonymousreply 17205/08/2020

She’s not so great singing live. She’s a bit on the pitchy side. I noticed this when she was a singing guest on the talk show circuit promoting her albums. But my goodness, what a beautiful woman she is! She’s still a better singer than JLo or Janet.

by Anonymousreply 17305/08/2020

I felt bad for her, earlier this week. Her clothing line was on sale on HSN; because of social distancing, she skyped in, they couldn't have models, so the stuff was just on hangers. Additionally, at nearly 15% unemployment, most people aren't looking for clothes. I hope she can wait till things improve and try again.

by Anonymousreply 17405/08/2020

Yeah “girlfriend” was going to be on Williams first album. Pebbles showed up to the recording session, and offered LA Reid cash, a car and her pussy if she gave her the track. Babyface tried to get the track back but wasn’t able to.

by Anonymousreply 17505/08/2020

R175 I want to see that TV movie!

by Anonymousreply 17605/08/2020

R174 I love Vanessa Williams, but those clothes she's Hawking are hideous!!

by Anonymousreply 17705/08/2020

OP, STfu u cracka ass bitch.

by Anonymousreply 17805/08/2020

R174, I was being discreetly kind. I was particularly horrified at those jumpsuits...Why? And those colors to boot! Heavens to Betsy; looked like a first year design students attempt at glam wear.

by Anonymousreply 17905/09/2020

r174 I don't feel sorry for her. Those clothes are ugly. I doubt homeless people would want to wear them. Also, she doesn't need the money.

by Anonymousreply 18005/10/2020

“ why was she given a second chance?”

She wasn’t. She made her own way.

by Anonymousreply 18105/10/2020

Everybody loves a comeback story...and she did it brilliantly.

by Anonymousreply 18205/10/2020

Get off her case. Vanessa has a beautiful and emotive voice. She's a talented Broadway actress. Vanessa is friendly and kind. Plus she's really good at comedy. Leave Vanessa alone and let her sing.

by Anonymousreply 18305/10/2020

She's probably the greatest Miss America ever... probably both the most talented and the most beautiful.

by Anonymousreply 18405/10/2020

She’s going for the middle age flyover frau group r174.

by Anonymousreply 18505/10/2020

Vanessa and the other Vanessa Williams have known about each other since high school when they both got into NYU at the same time. The other Vanessa got a check that Williams got for being in the Macy’s parade as miss America and returned it to her.

Vanessa and her mother went to see a play with the other Vanessa and on the playbill in her bio she wrote “I’m the REAL broadway actress” or something like that and it pissed her off.

BTW every state pageant and the national Miss America pageant has been cancelled this year and is tentatively scheduled at the end of 2021. The pageant has no sponsors, no network and is bleeding money and may not survive.

So she may very well outlast the Miss America pageant.

by Anonymousreply 18605/10/2020

Allegedly she just re-recorded a dance version of one of her prior hits. Does anyone know about this, or what song it is?

by Anonymousreply 18705/10/2020

Instead of re-recording old shit, she needs to record an album of new pop/dance/R&B like her first two albums.

by Anonymousreply 18805/10/2020

On the off chance that it hasn't been referenced yet.

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by Anonymousreply 18905/10/2020

r189, I was a huge fan of "In Living Color" but never saw that. Hysterical! Thank you.

by Anonymousreply 19005/10/2020

Fuck the family! I let the family in my house and the family fucked my husband!

by Anonymousreply 19105/11/2020

Her remix of THE WAY THAT YOU LOVE ME was a favorite of mine back in the day.

by Anonymousreply 19205/13/2020

R192 Huh?

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r44, I almost did something like that when I was in college, 20 or 21. I guy I knew said he wanted some nudes for his portfolio. We had worked together at some shit job so it wasn't like he was a friend. I was okay with doing something artful, and not with another person. He offered me $600 I believe and I got half up from just showing him my body. Then as we approached the date to schedule this shoot he told me about what he had in mind. I said I'm not doing anything with someone else or sitting spread eagle. He said no I would be by myself but maybe I would touch myself, then it got to inserting things inside me, and I said. Fuck no, I'm not doing this, it sounds like porn not art. He asked for his advance back and I told him okay, okay. I'm getting it together. Then the semester ended, I moved out the dorm, and the number was disconnected. (Im genX so not everyone had a cell phone number yet)

I had another near miss with porn also but I don't want to tell that story, but this was the crazy 90s and I wasn't the sharpest tack in the draw.

by Anonymousreply 19505/13/2020

Her adult choices I understand. The choices her younger self made never computed with her upbringing. College educated parents, church going, conservative, then a daughter pregnant and having an abortion in high school, then naked with her whooha out, exposed to God and country...I'm a few years younger than Vanessa, and I could see pregnant and having an abortion in college...not high school. That's a fast girl, as my mother would say.

by Anonymousreply 19605/13/2020

She was sexually abused by a female friend of the family when she was 10 years old. Also you can’t be naive enough to believe that high school girls getting abortions wasn’t uncommon. Most of the girls I knew in high school who got abortions came from “good families” with $$$.

by Anonymousreply 19705/13/2020

She should have named and shamed the female “family friend” because that sicko could still be hurting kids.

by Anonymousreply 19805/13/2020

[quote] I wasn't the sharpest tack in the draw.

Apparently you're still not.

by Anonymousreply 19905/13/2020

We don’t know what other beauty pageant contestants have done in their lives. Vanessa made a mistake. That’s all.

by Anonymousreply 20005/13/2020

r196 She had an abortion? Wow... I thought she was a strict catholic.

by Anonymousreply 20105/14/2020

[quote][R196] She had an abortion? Wow... I thought she was a strict catholic.

So, are many of the other girls.

You do know that many of the girls who make the decision to abort hail from heavily religious backgrounds and who consider themselves very religious?

by Anonymousreply 20205/14/2020

r202 You are right. I was just surprised. I have a female doctor friend who earns a fortune by surgically reconstructing hymens on Muslims girls. My doctor friend who is from Iran says the more religious the girls appear to be, the nastier they are.

by Anonymousreply 20305/14/2020

^Now, isn't that interesting! I had no idea that such a procedure even existed. Off to Google I go!

by Anonymousreply 20405/14/2020


The little minxes!

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by Anonymousreply 20505/14/2020

I knew several girls in college who had abortions, and they came from Catholic families. They never told their parents.

by Anonymousreply 20605/14/2020

R206, exactly. College, not high school. Her family structure of two educator parents, lots of church, singing and music lessons, would not lead one to think, pregnant in high school. College, when you're no longer under the watchful eye of your parents, yes.

by Anonymousreply 20705/14/2020

Reading how other celebrity kids are fucked up. It seems Vanessa did a good job with raising her kids. Her kids might not be good looking but they seem like mentally healthy people.

by Anonymousreply 20805/16/2020

They look fine, just not dazzling looking like Vanessa.

by Anonymousreply 20905/17/2020

Is she still married to Jim?

by Anonymousreply 21005/18/2020

^^ she was on a talk show last week; from her home of course. She said he was at work; so yeah, they're still happily married.

by Anonymousreply 21105/18/2020

How many times has she been married?

by Anonymousreply 21205/18/2020

This is her third and his second. I think this is going to stick. I remember she said years ago, she didn't want to be twice divorced, but Fox wanted a divorce. Based on that, I feel she's going to make this one last, come hell or high water. This one was a Catholic church wedding; I don't know if that's relevant, but to me, it says, we are not divorcing, ever.

by Anonymousreply 21305/18/2020

The others were Catholic weddings too.

by Anonymousreply 21405/18/2020

Abortion and divorce!

The perfect Vanessa Williams thread!!

by Anonymousreply 21505/19/2020

She's breathtaking...and her daughters look fine. What does her son look like? And her brother, Christopher, is an actor or something. He pings in interviews.

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by Anonymousreply 21605/19/2020

r216 see r154.

by Anonymousreply 21705/19/2020

She was raped by a lesbian when she was 10 years old. She could have grown up hating the LGBT community. But instead she embraced the community and is a HUGE supporter. Her brother Chris must be gay.

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by Anonymousreply 21805/19/2020

Her son, Devin. None of her kids grew up stunning.

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by Anonymousreply 21905/19/2020

[quote]The others were Catholic weddings too

What a joke.

by Anonymousreply 22005/20/2020

I was listening Save the best for last a minute ago.

It's not like they gift her a career. They make her pay for a stupid mistake (the relationship of America with nudes is ridiculous) but she was talented. Her first songs weren't successful till Dreamin, and her music career was uneven, but she had a bunch of big hits.

She is really beautiful and for once that was far from being her best quality

by Anonymousreply 22105/20/2020

Devin was a cute baby boy that grew up to be a handsome man...but the grooming...ugh. I hate to see black men dye their hair like that and mohawks suck.

by Anonymousreply 22205/20/2020

She’s one of the few artists who has gone to number one in the hot 100, r&b, dance and adult contemporary charts.

The Miss America pageant announced that this years pageant is cancelled and won’t be held until December 2021. They blame covid 19, but in reality the pageant has no sponsors and no tv contract and a few former titleholders are saying privately that the pageant is dead.

by Anonymousreply 22305/20/2020

She hasn’t had a hit since the 90’s. She needs to work with some current pop/dance producers.

by Anonymousreply 22405/20/2020

The 1993 Grammys, singing live. She's about 15 months pregnant, sitting on a stool the whole time, and just kills it while looking beautiful (and wearing an AIDS ribbon).

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by Anonymousreply 22505/20/2020

r224 She is too old! She should stick to tv series.

by Anonymousreply 22605/21/2020

R226 Excuse me bitch?! What do you mean too old???

by Anonymousreply 22705/22/2020

I wouldn't kick her out of bed, that's for sure.

by Anonymousreply 22805/22/2020

She was very famous as Miss America because of breaking the color barrier. Most would come and go without anyone noticing but she was everywhere during her year as the winner. (which only made the scandal bigger.)

by Anonymousreply 22905/22/2020

This podcast just came out in March 2020. it is great, thorough look into the scandal and the politics involved with Vanessa‘s scandal and its aftermath.

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by Anonymousreply 23005/22/2020

Miss America 1944 Venus Ramey called her a slut when interviewed by a local newspaper right after the scandal happened. Turns out she turned into a nasty, cuntish old cat lady. And to me, she's one of the least attractive Miss Americas ever.

by Anonymousreply 23105/22/2020

r228 I love her, always have. Had a huge crush on her back in the 90's. But now I think she looks too much like an aunty.

by Anonymousreply 23205/22/2020

^^^ I'm 52, so that's okay.

by Anonymousreply 23305/22/2020

She's plumping up a bit. That's fine. She is still lovely.

by Anonymousreply 23405/25/2020

She was astonishingly beautiful for about 3 seconds.

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