Who do you think assassinated JFK?

Jackie never spoke about it.

Definitely not Oswald. I'm guessing a couple of mercenaries hired by the government. They did the job, got paid, and got protection for the rest of their lives.

This is just a wild guess: Lee Harvey Oswald.

Erna

[quote] Erna

Cunt.

[quote] Jackie never spoke about it.

She may have, but that won't be released for many years.

When it happened, did people believe that Oswald did it?

Why would Jackie know anything about it other than her husband was assassinated and his head exploded on her? It was tragic but do you honestly think she saw who did it OR knew anything about the background intrigue (Cuba or Mafia)? How would she know any of that, she was totally disconnected from JFK and politics. Jackie isn't the key to what really happened.

R7 People believed Oswald did it until he was shot (assassinated) by Jack Ruby.

General Walker

so odd that folks don't understand Oswald was a patsy for the mob, the military industrial complex, etc who wanted his ass dead. poor guy, still the most admired prez ever....

[quote] Why would Jackie know anything about it other than her husband was assassinated and his head exploded on her?

Because after he died, she was surrounded by people who were in a position to know what the government knew but did not disclose. Why is it so hard to believe that she had access to information that was never made public?

Why would the US government want him dead? It's not like he was going to pull out of Vietnam or accommodate the Soviet Union.

Jackie needed assistance

Both Joan Crawford and Richard Nixon were in Dallas for a Pepsi convention.

Right-wing CIA faction pissed over the Bay of Pigs and Allen Dulles' firing, aided by a mob contract and abetted by Hoover's FBI, ultimately aiding Johnson.

No doubts.

Conspiracy theorist often seem to put all the "Others" in one collaborated action to kill him. Military-industrial combat/CIA and the Russian communists working together to kill the President? Nah. Mob bosses and CIA? Nah.

Teamsters and the Cuban-connected mob/Cuban fascists pissed off because of Bay of Pigs. That's more logical. Hoffa hated the Kennedy boys.

OP, I actually believe Oswald was a patsy for Russia.....there are different types of “useful idiots” they use, from those who consciously work for them, to those who suspect they are helping Russia but it’s not openly stated, and then those who have no idea. Oswald was in the middle and it is extremely possible that Russia infiltrated parts of the mob — hence Jack Ruby taking him out.

Mob to get back at his dad

There is a fairly plausible theory that he planned to pull a large portion of FBI funding, and so he was killed.

R17, I don’t have a conspiracy bone in my body, but your second paragraph is thoroughly plausible.

Do you think LBJ was clued in after the fact?

Santo Trafficante and Carlos Marcello, Mafia kingpins out of Tampa and New Orleans, respectively.

Trafficante said as much on his deathbed, and Marcello confessed to a jailhouse snitch he knew would not be believed by authorities.

Both were smarter and cooler emotionally than Sam Giancana and and the other Mafiosi who are often named as possible assassination conspirators.

It was Trump!

Oswald. He was part of a conspiracy involving the mob, political figures, and J. Edgar Hoover. Dorothy Killgallen was onto it and was about the go public when she was snuffed out and her assassination files stolen.

Kennedy often shared privileged info with Jackie.

R12 Because she was a selfish cunt. She had no interest in who killed her husband. She only cared about where she and her children would land. And she did pretty damn well, whoring herself out to Onassis. Hard to believe she had any interest in who/what got her out of that godawful marriage to JFK.

My parents told me they were both watching TV when they saw Jack Ruby shoot Oswald. At that point, they said they both thought there was a conspiracy going on. After that, they believed that either Oswald was set up or at the very least that he was acting on behalf of someone else.

R27 - she married Onassis for his money but also protection. She said herself that she doesn't know what's going on, but Kennedys are getting killed.

She married Onassis after RFK's assassination. I don't think she was selfish at all. Stop calling her a cunt for no reason.

Oswald shot and hit Kennedy but secret service agent swung rifle up to fire back at the same moment car took off. Secret agent actually fired the shot that killed kennedy.

Now who was behind Oswald I have never made up my mind what I think.

Sigh. President Lincoln, JFK (and his brother) - shot dead. But Trump goes on and on....

R31 I know, right?

Hillary and Obama, working together.

R17. Many believe mob did it to get back at RFK. After it happened RFK said “it should have been me”. Theory is that mob believed to stop RFK investigations they needed to get rid of jfk. “To kill the snake cut off its head”. Dorothy Kilgallen -the investigative reporter - also tv personality-spent years investigating it. She was mysteriously murdered in her own home right before she was to meet mob people in New Orleans. She got very close to the truth. Her only file disappeared and was never found. Her murder was never solved.

"President Lincoln, JFK (and his brother) - shot dead. But Trump goes on and on..."

And so did Hitler, Stalin and Mao, until their long, long over due ends. .

Elaborate suicide, OP.

There is evidence put forth in Lee Israel's biography of Dorothy K that Dorothy's last bf was a CIA operative. I think Dorothy was on to something, that she was fearless and had to be silenced.

R37. I read Mark Shaw book. Similar. My take was the bf was a mob operative who gained access to her home.

Dorothy Kilgallen was murdered? Is this legitimate information?

Everybody alive in 1963 except Oswald.

Everybody alive in 1963 except Oswald.

One has one's hunches.

R33 The right-wing conspiracy would have tried.

Hillary was age 16 and in high school when JFK as assassinated. Obama was an age 2 toddler.

Trump promoted the idea it was Ted Cruz's father that was involved. Trump's bud, David Pecker, ran the story in the National Enquirer during the 2016 GOP primaries.

R37...that is my take as well. She was very close. Melvin Belli was also involved in the cover up.

Dorothy Kilgallen was an investigative journalist? Ha ha. Dorothy Kilgallen was a gossip columnist, investigative journalist wannabe.

Lee. Harvey. Oswald.

WHOM do you think assassinated JFK?

Mafia backed Pro-Castro group with assistance by rogue CIA agents (including Gorge HW Bush). They had it in for JFK ever since he refused to send military back-up for the Bay of Pigs incident. Lee Harvey Oswald was there with a rifle but he was very much the fall-guy patsy. Others in the grassy knoll and inside sewer grates whowere sharpshooters were the real killers. LBJ was aware there was a plan but was not directly involved in it. He just knew he was to replace him. The was an previous plan to kill JFK in Miami a few days earlier but the logistics fell apart, so Dallas became the better option.

all i know is after watching "JFK" with costner and it being over 3 hours long and "it was the mafia, no, it was the cia, no, it was the cubans, no, it was the russians, no, it was racists, no, it was johnson, no, it was hoover, no it was so on and so on and so on and so on" that i thought as i sat in the theater, i don't give a crap who killed him now, just get this movie over with! actually remember this old man sitting up front who fell asleep and started to snore!

Dorothy K was a superb crime reporter for far longer than she was a gossip columnist.

R49, see R40/R41.

[quote]WHOM do you think assassinated JFK?

WRONG!

"Who" is the subject of "who assassinated," not the object of "you do think whom."

R48 Correction: I meant Anti-Castro Group, not Pro Castro group. Sorry

amazing in the span of such a short time, society lost 4 giant icons.. JFK, MM, eleanor roosevelt and patsy cline... any others in 62/63

Supposedly George Bush (Sr) who was head of CIA at the time was in Dallas that day. It has sometimes been alleged he was part of the plot, but who knows? Sorry, no link.

R45...Dorothy managed to get an interview with Ruby behind Hoover’s back. He hated her for that. Ruby didn’t like Belli’s defense. She had covered other high profile cases. She was admired by judges and got special treatment in the courtroom.

JFK appointed his brother, RFK, Attorney General. (Yes, Trump is not the only one who ever appointed family members.) RFK made the Mafia (which was much more powerful back then) Public Enemy Number 1. That, coupled with Jack Ruby (alleged Mafia ties) sacrificing himself like a kamikaze (shooting Oswald then getting killed himself), lead me to believe it was Mafia-related.

[quote] Supposedly George Bush (Sr) who was head of CIA at the time was in Dallas that day.

No he wasn't. He wasn't until 1976 and then for about a year. People should really just do simple Googling before posting nonsense.

I have read that Bush was in Dallas that day as well. They even think he might have been in the pics of those hobos.

There are just too many loose ends and people who died in connection with this for me to believe that Oswald acted alone. How convenient that Jack Ruby was going to die of cancer anyways when he shot Oswald.

,,,,

R57 true about jfk hiring rfk, but at least RFK was educated, experienced, intelligent...

Thank you r52, I was reaching for my smelling salts when I saw your post!

Kristin Shepard

R45, Dorothy Kilgallen was highly praised for her coverage of the Dr. Sam Sheppard trial, the basis for "The Fugitive".

Jackie O absolutely knew, or had good knowledge on who, killed JFK. I think a lot of people know exactly who did it but saying it out loud would lead to libel/slander or you would look like a kook because you had no proof. Make no mistake, it is known who did it. Jackie O knew who did it and may have a recording that will be released in years to come.

They buried JFK on my 21st birthday. I watched Jack Ruby kill Oswald on TV as well. If you woul spend time learning what really happened, this thread would be obvious bullshit.

I suppose we never landed on the moon either.

This thread is dark web Trumpism shit. I had a deplorable employee in my company that was always reciting this conspiracy crap. Why is it here on DL?

Boris is that you at R65?

Jackie shot him. Just look at the recently unclassifed, previously redacted frames of the Zapruder film. It couldn’t be more clear. She shoves a gun under his chin and shoots him. Every time I post a gif of it I get FF’d to oblivion. So look it up yourself. Jackie shot JFK. No question about it.

r66 How is THAT Boris but the 64 other replies aren't? All that poster did was say Jackie O knew who did it.

R30 has it right. He was accidentally shot by secret service in reaction to Oswald’s shot. Oswald did intend to assassinate JFK, but I guess we will never truly know why. Dorothy Kilgallen knee before she was whacked by the spooks.

[quote] Dorothy Kilgallen knee

And her foot too.

R69 is complete bullshit just like this thread.

Blocked.

The mob helped Joe get him elected and the he put Bobby on their assess.

I don't know but watching Oswald get shot and soon after pronounced dead my uncle and grandfather exclaimed "Now we'll never know who killed the president!" They were so pissed off.

My problem is who DIDN'T have a motive. Jack, Joe and Robert pissed so many different factions off.

"Ma...weren't you and Uncle Angelo in Dallas that day?"

Wtf, R71? I hate trump. Two-time Obama voter, Hillary voter. Why are you so smug to think you know the 100% truth behind the assassination?

The person who shot him.

R48, have no idea where you get your info, but I think you're right about it all. The mob felt betrayed after helping the Kennedys win (some say cheat) the Presidency only to be targeted for elimination by RFK. I also believe that Johnson knew more and was directly involved. He had a very sketchy reputation and may have been involved in the murder of a political rival. Further, he wanted and believed that only a southern politician should deliver the Civil Rights Act. He hated Kennedy.

Didn't Theodore White, the esteemed political author and Kennedy favorite, have orders from Jackie to seal the information and release it after the deaths of her children and herself?

-[quote] Didn't Theodore White, the esteemed political author and Kennedy favorite, have orders from Jackie to seal the information and release it after the deaths of her children and herself?

Certain information. Some of it was released in his book. The remaining information won't be released until 2067.

[quote] He had a very sketchy reputation and may have been involved in the murder of a political rival.

Who was that? There have been so many well-regarded biographies on LBJ, I wonder what his biographers actually think. I am a historian but I don't know anything about the assassination. It's the kind of thing it's impossible to research because there is no paper trail.

LBJ wasn't apart of the assassination and didn't know it was going to happen. At all. He probably found out fast who it was, or suspected, and thus we got into Vietnam to appease them. LBJ didn't want that fucking war.

IMO, posters aren't saying Oswald was not the shooter. Posters are saying that Oswald was the shooter but was a patsy or a stooge who was killed (silenced) immediately after he shot JFK. To top it off, Ruby, who obviously killed Oswald, was silenced right after he killed Oswald. The speculation addresses the identities of the puppet masters.

So if the all powerful "deep state" can wack the POTUS. Why am I still alive and shittin?

the mob

[quote] WRONG!

[quote] "Who" is the subject of "who assassinated," not the object of "you do think whom."

WRONG!

"Who" is the object of whom YOU are thinking. YOU are subject.

Who assassinated JFK?

Whom do you think assassinated JFK?

You are WRONG r85. Embarrassingly so.

Besides Jack Ruby The magic bullet that defies physics makes it obvious that there weren’t 3 shots and Oswald wasn’t the lone gunman beyond that it seems like a mystery that won’t be exposed until all parties have been dead for many years.

Just watch the fucking film again. It was Jackie. Or someone dressed up to look like Jackie, sitting right next to him. Jackie shot him. It’s right there on film. And it’s why those frames were edited from the film and classified.

R78 Why did LBJ believe only a southern politician should deliver civil rights? What was that about? What did it matter that a northern east coast politician deliver civil rights over a southern one?

Please explain this.

Thanks.

R27 Jackie did pretty good indeed. To the tune of $26 million dollars she received from the Onassis estate after he died.

Financial worries completely dissolved.

R85: F for grammar. It's "who" as OP has it.

It was Mordred.

[quote] Why did LBJ believe only a southern politician should deliver civil rights? What was that about? What did it matter that a northern east coast politician deliver civil rights over a southern one?

I don't know but he had been Senate Majority Leader and arguably the most effective one ever. He knew where the bodies were buried. Maybe he thought that he could force Southern politicians to accept it whereas JFK could not. JFK and his brother also looked down on LBJ and didn't like him at all. That said I doubt he was involved in a plot but I bet he knew exactly what happened after the fact.

[quote]Why is it so hard to believe that she had access to information that was never made public?

You do realize by theh time she got off the plane with the casket she was a civilian and had no access to anything.

[quote] Ruby, who obviously killed Oswald, was silenced right after he killed Oswald.

Ruby died in January of 1967, not right after killing Oswald.

And bear in mind that Ruby stopped at a Western Union office to wire some money to one of his dancers minutes before going to the police station. If he had planned from the start to kill Oswald there, why did he risk blowing his opportunity by going to Western Union first? His window of opportunity would have been very brief, why risk losing it by being delayed in wiring the money?

[quote] You do realize by theh time she got off the plane with the casket she was a civilian

She was a civilian when she got on the plane. Do you know what civilian means?

My father was absolutely convinced that LBJ was behind the whole thing. He loathed Kennedy.

[quote] Ruby died in January of 1967, not right after killing Oswald.

You're right, R95. He died of natural causes. For some reason, I was thinking he was shot, like Oswald, as well.

R82

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.

[quote]She was a civilian when she got on the plane. Do you know what civilian means?

She wasn't First Lady, Happy Dear?

Jack, what say you?

It was Lee. People just can't believe he did it but he did.

His own brother thought he did it. Lee wanted to be famous, feel important and he thought he was doing something good for the world. He saw himself in Cuba and thought he was standing up against American oppression.

He had a boring job at the book deposit and wasn't enjoying marriage and family life and did this. It was easy to for him to do. People don't want to think it's easy, but if you want to hurt someone, there are ways.

Conspiracies usually don't happen because collectively we're just not smart enough to execute them.

Oswald sure was a crack shooter for someone as physically deformed as he obviously was. Just look at the physique above at r102.

People forget that in April of that year, Oswald attempted to assassinate General Walker. He had it in him and wanted infamy.

Oswald. Case closed

Ruby had his small dog left in the car when he shot LHO.

Was it a rescue dog?

Ruby did it on a whim. He was driving and got upset about it and wanted to be a hero too. Having cancer gave him the courage to do it.

He added to the conspiracy theory by saying no one will know. They won't know Lee's motive because he shot the man before he confessed. Not because it's really hard to figure out.

LBJ knew about it before it happened.

[quote]LBJ knew about it before it happened.

Did he have a reading with Sylvia Browne?

What did LBJ do before JFK was shot...

r108 He was stalking the police station for a couple days, it wasn't on a whim, he had a mission to kill Oswald. It certainly lends credence to the mob being behind it, i don't think Oswald knew the mafia would double cross him.

Jack Ruby left his pet dog in his parked car, thinking he'd return after shooting Oswald.

Ruby told authorities that he killed Oswald to spare Jackie Kennedy from having to return to Dallas to testify at Oswald's trial.

r114 I bet you believe Trump when he says he doesn't lie.

R115, I'll bet you sometimes make sense, but not often.

So what did Jack Ruby say? What did they find out from him.

r19 and r34 have it imo. r72 is partially correct. Joe wheeled and dealed with the mob (notably, Giancana) to deliver the 1960 election for JFK. They expected payback in the form of some protection and favor during his presidency, but Bobby was a different breed from his father and brother and was obsessed with a kind of moral anti-mob crusade.

Old Joe would have squashed his efforts and kept him in check, but he had a major stroke in late 1961 that left him completely incapacitated and unable to speak. Neither brother was fully aware of how much their father did a run-around with the mob, although JFK must have had an inkling. Without Joe's firm hand to intervene and halt Bobby's crusade, it sealed JFK's fate.

Frank Sinatra's late valet, George Jacobs, as much states this to be true in his memoir (a great read), as he was privy to some of Joe's talks with Sinatra at his Palm Springs estate before the election, as well as JFK's AND Giancana's. All three men visited Frank at his home. Sinatra himself believed the mob put the hit on his friend.

R47 ‘Who’ is correct usage. Take out the ‘do you think’ and see which word works.

Who assassinated JFK?

Whom assassinated JFK?

I recall reading that the truth would be known 70 years after the assassination. Right now we're only 57 years out.

The Wikipedia articles related to Jack Ruby and other aspects of the assassination are very good.

It was suicide made to look like murder.

Oswald was clearly behind and above the limo with JFK, Jackie and SS. However, in the Zapruder film, the front of JFK's head is blown off. If I could have italicized 'front' I would have for emphasis. And his entire body reels back, not forward. If Oswald was the lone gunman I never underwood this.

Oswald.

Clear case of suicide.

probably syphilis, per Mr Noblet

"Oh, absolutely. Historically, syphilis is right up there with Germans. It wiped out the Romanovs, it decimated our fleet at Pearl Harbor, and of course, Fidel Castro impersonated Marilyn Monroe and gave President Kennedy a case of syphilis so severe that eventually it blew the back of his head off."

Miss Lindzie was only age 8 then. If she was another decade+ older at the time, menz politicians of wealth would have been venturing on a different course to satisfy rambling needs.

R126, JFK contracted a case of venereal disease so severe he underwent a circumcision at 18 in 1935.

The Mob. That’s it, that’s all.

Oswald was kinda cute.

Oswald had a thick 8 incher uncut

Those skinny little guys will surprise you!

The grassy knoll gunman had 9 inches.

Oswald may have shot at him but again the ‘Magic Bullet’ that defies the laws of physics and ricocheted dozens of times means that there has to be another shooter.

I agree with [R102}. Oswald's attempt on General Walker is the Rosetta Stone of the JFK assassination. Oswald did it for reasons the previous poster listed. He was an ineffectual, frustrated person who saw a chance to effect change and he took it.

Nellie Connolly gave the signal, and the Daughters of the Alamo fired away.

miss killgallen was a highly respected journalist u dumb cluck, her brilliant reputation got her into a lot of secret places. her game show thing was jus for fun. she loved games, solved more on that show than any others...

ari Onassis so he could marry jfk's hot snatch wife.....

R138, He could have married me for a lot le$$.

Where was our Faye that crisp November afternoon?

I've heard rumors she was a CIA assassin under mind control (explains the mood swings) that became a Hollywood legend as a cover.

Her role as Kathy Hale in Three Days of the Condor was an insider homage to her undercover work, a case of hiding in plain sight.

Oswald shot and killed Officer J. D. Tippit. It was witnessed. If Oswald was part of a conspiracy group, they sure didn't have a plausible escape plan for him. If Oswald was the fallguy, they would have set-up his escape and then dispose of him.

Charles Harrelson, Woody Harrelson's dad, claimed he was the assassin.

James Files.

A vast network. Who didn't want them gone? They picked too many fights with the wrong people. The Umbrella Man is still curious. The 'official story' is lame.

[quote]Who do you think assassinated JFK?

Ted Cruz's father.

It was that bitch Carole Baskin.

[quote]R15 Both Joan Crawford and Richard Nixon were in Dallas for a Pepsi convention.

I have no doubt JC was capable of it. She didn’t take being brushed off after a 1 night stand well.

Joan Crawford was Irish so was Kennedy. I don't think she'd kill her own people. Especially not the first Irish president.

R66 The CIA shill has entered the chat.

It’s amazing how many resources are still being directed at suppressing the truth about the JFK assassination.

According to Oliver Stone, we may find out in July who did it:

[quote] This documentary film represents an important bookend to my 1991 film. It ties up many loose threads, and hopefully repudiates much of the ignorance around the case and the movie,” Stone wrote.

After Oliver Stone's soft-soap "W" film I don't care to hear anything he has to say.