BRF and Other Royals, Aristos, Socialites

For those interested, the 7th Marquess of Bath was one of Britain's famously eccentric (although as they put it now, "colourful") characters:

"Alexander George Thynn, 7th Marquess of Bath, was born on 6 May in 1932 and grew up in his family's home at Longleat, near Warminster in Wiltshire.

He was known for his flamboyant style of dress and for having relationships with women he often referred to as his "wifelets"."

"Wifelets" - I ask you!

OP, a mulatto marquess ain't the big news you think it is.

R2 - Get fucked yourself if you can find someone who can stand your smell, you fascist dictator.

Muriel, why are you allowing this fascist to invade any and all threads that she doesn't feel are sufficiently in line with her insistence that no one refer to Meghan Markle except with reverence?!

Get a life OP - stop slamming Meghan and move on. She's done nothing to deserve your ire.

You are petty and bitchy, not a good look on anyone.

I didn't know that the second son was via surrogate.

The Viscountess was so boring on Strictly last year.

Well Lee Radziwill was a socialite who pretended to be a princess. Why isn't being a socialite enough for some people?

This thread will devolve into racist bashing in the next 10 posts

The thread questioning why all the Megan Markle threads have been dented was just deleted itself

Band hogging racists fat Fraus are not wanted on Datalounge

This thread is not about Meghan, can you not read?

It will become a thread about Megan Markle soon, because you Aspie racist twats cannot contain yourself

Will she be named Emma Bath now? (Even though I don’t know who she is, I’m curious.)

It interesting that the ones calling others fascists use intimidating fascist tactics to get their way. Who do you think you are dictating to forum members what they are allowed to discuss?

Your statement makes no sense r14

Try again

That's because you're brain dead.

Try taking your white hood off and retyping with your crone like arthritic fingers

Fuck off.

Fascist ^

Speak for yourself. I'm not trying to shut down threads.

I wanna know about the surrogate ! The ruling ! Why she didn't have the naturally ? etc, etc Fuck that stupid Meghan twat, I'm sick of her face everywhere. Now back to Bath !

I think Emma is great fun and admire her smile and esprit de corp. I believe her name now is Emma Thynne, Marquess of Bath. As a Marquis, her husband now outranks in the peerage system everyone but dukes and royals.

I didn't know the new Marquis's mother was the beautiful Hungarian that the deceased Marquis married. She was quite beautiful, looked a bit like the late Francoise Dorleac (Catherine Deneuve's sister, who was tragically killed in a car accident in the late 1960s - I can remember walking past news kiosks in London as a teen and seeing the news splashed all over the papers).

The new Marquess had the first child naturally, but then opted for a surrogate due to "medical and health conditions". The second son was born in America, in the Hollywood area, precisely because the Weymouths (the eldest son is now Viscount Weymouth) hoped to avoid the "heir of the body" rule re inheritance of titles. They then brought a suit in Britain hoping to overturn the rule, but the case failed; therefore, only the son born naturally, the older one has it happens, can inherit the title.

This leaves the Bath title, interestingly, without the necessary "spare". So far, the Baths don't seem particularly bothered by this or in any hurry to try for a third child born the usual way.

Should anything happen to the older son, if the rule still stands, the title will pass on to the next closest male heir in the family. I wonder who that is, and if he's got this at the back of his mind?

After all, look what happened to the Gloucesters: heir to the dukedom died in an accident, second son has to give up career as an architect and take over. Ditto the heir to the throne, Prince Edward: dead of typhoid or something (they SAID) and his younger brother George inherits the throne AND the older brother's fiancee, Mary of Teck.

The rest, as they say, is history.

The new Marquess is only 34. No reason she shouldn't try again, although they never did explain those "health" issues.

R6 - I'm not worried about "good looks" and my opinion of Meghan Markle is based on what I've seen of her actions.

You don't like it? Move on.

Racist whore ^

That should have been "esprit de corps" (plural)

R22

More detail on the late 7th Marquess:

"In 2015 the Times described him as "a steaming pile of ancient kaftans and one of our wuffliest and weirdest mad-hatter aristocrats. He is best known for swanning around Longleat, his enormous Elizabethan pad in Wiltshire, entertaining his 75 concubines, or as he called them, “wifelets”. The wifelets have included former Bond girls and Sri Lankan teenagers, as well as housewives and, according to some, prostitutes. The deal is simple: the wifelets get to hang out with Lord Bath in a jewel of a palace and in return he gets unlimited sex."

You couldn't make it up.

So, unless I've missed something, the 7th Marquess of Bath is the highest ranking peer in Britain to have succumbed to the virus.

Still, he had quite a good run.

The new 8th Marquess has a sister, Lady Lenka Thynn. Ordinarily, any son of hers would now be the "spare', as the second son of the Baths is eliminated. But I cannot find any reference to her ever having married, let alone bred.

I am guessing, then, that the new "spare" is the son of a first cousin descended from the 7th Marquess's younger brother?

Isn't she now the new Marchioness of Bath? Or are they using a different rank? Her husband is the new 8th Marquess.

Yes r13 she could be called Emma Bath now, if she chooses. For some reason, her late FIL insisted on using his subsidiary title, Viscount Weymouth, well after becoming Marquess of Bath. I don't know if his son will continue this tradition.

Emma is a darlin' girl, she's a queen who makes Megstans seethe. Emma has the best fashion, loves her husband, is gracious and has a genuine smile.

The mother in law refused to accept her and had never met her grandsons. Emma didn't bitch and whine, and instead has set about making the estate self sufficient. She has Emma's Kitchen show and bakery next to the zoo.

Insider knowledge. Emma is being used by the white woman trolls to prove to the great unwashed that they aren't racist. LSA. Thread just started by a really big troll. They can then say - We aren't racist we love Emma. Grow the fuck up ladies.

INSIDER KNOWLEDGE - Private messages have these same trolls as I type hunting a person who posts on LSA called Enchanted. They plan to dox Enchanted in back threads but first are going to play with Enchanted in the public threads. Dropping hints etc. KLUNX and FUTUREMD. Gas lighters extrodanaires. All of this can be seen in private chat. One of these trolls already has upcoming Legal issues. Thats who you cunts are.

R33 Yes I can't spell for shit -

R8 "Well Lee Radziwill was a socialite who pretended to be a princess. Why isn't being a socialite enough for some people?"

(Almost) anybody can be a socialite. With the right looks and social skills you can even get ways with being broke. But, not everybody gets a chance to be royalty. And almost all little girls (and many a young gayling) pin their fondest hopes on one day becoming a Princess. The best we ever get are to be queens. Careful...R8...eldergays such as myself can get heart palpitations when such questions are asked.

INSIDER KNOWLEDGE. The same people who are hunting MM are the ones who are sitting on LSA hunting Black people for sport. They think its fun. Proof. One of the major racist trolls Michelle0187 posted this after I posted here. This is the trolls starting to hunt Enchanted. michelle0187 Well-Known Member Why do you care? "Can’t figure out why this black man is so concerned with their whereabouts." That is someone dropping hints just like I stated. After I posted. They are going to slowly dox a person. Just like they have done on every other gossip site. Fuck that happening here.

Will the webmaster please flag this crazy poster at r35?

R35 WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU MUMBLING ABOUT ???

R37 - Just block her. She's mentally ill.

The very word "Princess" is loaded with emotional baggage, yes, still, even today. Diana had a title, too; she had wealth; she had pedigree; she could have had her pick of any of the eligible men in her social set and lived a wealthy, sheltered life. But what she said was, "There cannot be anything more desirable than Princess of Wales" and "It's Westminster Abbey for me, or nothing!"

When her mother warned Diana not to confuse the man with the Prince, Diana is said to have replied merrily, "Is there a difference?"

And she's far from the first or last woman to labour under that confusion.

Is this Emma Thynn, the new Marchioness of Bath? I wouldn't call her "beautiful", more like "attractive". Very wide face and an odd jawline, for all her style.

As for Diana... Charles was a fool to marry a very young woman who desperately wanted to be a princess. Any idiot could tell him that his silly young bride would have unrealistic expectations and be gravely disappointed by the reality, but he wanted a known virgin. Stupid man.

Thank you, R29, for bringing a little clarity. Just to be absolutely clear: the British title, for a male, is Marquess. And for a female, Marchioness. The equivalent title ‘Marquis’ would be European, mostly French or Belgian, just as a ‘Marques’ would be Spanish.

The new Marchioness is simply gorgeous.

The poster upthread, who said that Emma is everything that Meghan wants to be but isn't, hit the nail on the head.

All the comparisons of MM and Emma the new Marchioness are silly. The only thing they have in common is their melanated skin. Emma is British and grew up posh.

As to her second child being born via surrogate, I wonder if it's a step beyond "too posh to push"--too posh to carry? She seems very invested in her glam social media image. Or maybe the husband didn't want her to lose her figure again? If he's anything like his dad (as described above), that would fit.

R43 - Some thought it might be that, but it isn't as if she were too old to get her figure back or couldn't afford personal trainers, and doesn't have her own fitness centre at Longleat . . . perhaps she had a really bad time with the first one. Given the "heir of the body" only rule in Britain, I can't believe they would have done the second by surrogate if they hadn't had to, guaranteeing the "spare" forfeiting his right to the inheritance. Or maybe they were so sure they'd win the legal battle they were willing to risk it.

Look, DLers, you simply must block the troll. Once you do, her posts disappear, the site becomes fun again. She is TRYING to get rises out of you. Deprive her of the oxygen she is seeking here. She's obviously clinically ill and has identified DL as a place where, for reasons best known to the webmaster, she is being allowed to spew her hate and rage. Just - keep - blocking her.

Emma's very stylish but the other thing you have to remember is that it doesn't matter whether she is or isn't. For all her husband's pedigree and stately pile, they are still private citizens. They can do as they like in a way that royals can't. Their money is all their own, they don't get public funding, so Emma can have cooking shows or appear on Strictly or whatever she likes. Royal duchesses can't.

Look how the 7th Marquess behaved. Brits love those eccentric aristos, they have always been part of British cultural fabric. But transfer that to someone in line for the throne, and trouble ensues.

I maintain that Camilla is as fashionable in her own way as her predecessor

Camilla does know what works for her. Light colors, cuts that work for a woman who isn't petitte, and which follow protocol but which are still fun.

And she piles on the monster jewels, because she can!

She's not a leader of fashion, but I agree that she's very stylish in her anti-fashion way.

R47 - Well, Camilla is very much true to her era and her type: country English horsey set. She used to be quite fearless in the saddle.

According to Kaiser on CB, rumours have abounded for years that Princess Anne and Camilla's ex, Andrew Parker-Bowles, who had a torrid fling in the Olden Days, have remained on VERY good terms and for years headed back to the sack together occasionally - and that Anne's compliant husband, Timothy Laurence, turned a blind eye to it.

If it's true, and I hope it is, it makes me like Anne even more. There is someone who went her own way from the beginning whilst managing to do her duty splendidly by Crown and Country.

Never had two fucks to give about what other people thought, except to make sure no one could question her dedication to the job her position brought her.

"...it makes me like Anne even more. There is someone who went her own way from the beginning whilst managing to do her duty splendidly by Crown and Country. "

It's true, Anne is a model "spare", and she's someone who had every right to resent her position even more than Harry does, as she was bumped down the line of succession because of legalized sexism. But she lived by "mustn't grumble", did her best at a job she never asked for, and went on being herself and living her life. Harry should have done the same, instead of living a life of useless resentment.

Camilla was everything Charles wanted: nurturing, self-confident, sexually sure of herself, earthy, maternal, and a good horsewoman who could ride with entities like the Beaufort Hunt.

Diana was everything the public wanted: young, sweet, beautiful, photogenic, unthreatening, non-intellectual, and very modern in her preference for urban rather than country pursuits, despite being raised at Althorp.

Camilla seemed born for the role of King's mistress, Diana for King's Wife.

I'm still gobsmacked at how events turned the obvious on its head.

Speaking of the Nordics, given that Crown Princess Mette-Marit of Norway suffers from pulmonary fibrosis. I'm sure they are keeping her in absolute isolation - unless they were able to get a lung transplant for her.

If Princess Mette-Marit had had a lung transplant, she'd need to be on immunosuppressant drugs for the rest of her life. So she'd still be in isolation.

The Queen and quotes from her speech overlooks Piccadilly Circus.

Her Maj turns 94 in three weeks (26 April).

The Trooping, I think, is cancelled. I wonder what they'll do to mark the occasion in lieu of the Trooping.

R54 - Ye Gods, look at Piccadilly - virtually empty.

It's like those old sci fi films, like "The Day the Earth Caught Fire" (one of my old black and white favourites from around 1960).

r35, Please take your silly schoolgirl antics back to LSA. Nobody here cares.

Here’s the first episode of a documentary about the Swedish crown jewels. Unfortunately, it’s all in Swedish but it’s still fascinating to watch. Interviews with Queen Silvia, Crown Princess Victoria and the King’s sister, who does say something to the effect of “it isn’t about the bling-bling, it’s about family history.”

The first 45 seconds of the documentary at r58 are ah-mazing. Whether you love tiaras or not. Queen Sofia pulls out a massive wall of diamonds from a case.

R58 - Thanks for posting - that looks like fun. I speak a bit of Danish, and the other Nordic languages do seem to have a cousinely relationship amongst them. Of course, the photo is a dead giveaway, but I'm guessing that Kungliga smycken means "royal jewellery", as in Danish it would be Kongelige smykker. You can see how similar they are.

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R38 So much more pleasant without it.

Why, Muriel, why?

Will and Kate calling a school. It's still open for key workers and vulnerable children.

R63 - Very nice low-key appearance by the Cambridges, nice way to be as supportive as a lockdown allows.

The montage of photos to mark the 15th wedding anniversary of Charles and Camilla is really charming - but you have to know that Diana, somewhere, is spinning like a cement mixer in that marble tomb.

r63, i loved that kid that said noooo. Nice to see some love for the north of England for a change.

R65 oh I know. Charles and Camilla really do look very comfortable and content together. Poor Di.

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R68 - In fairness, they ALL know they have to make it look like they're doing something. Eugenie was delivering boxes of food womewhere a week or two ago, the Cambridges went to a 111 Call Centre before the lockdown went to DefCon and then did a zoom visit with a schools caring for health care workers' kids, Charles opened the Nightingale Hospital via telelink, I know Sophie did something, and the Queen, of course, made her increasingly seen as iconic address to the nation . . . Anne has been oddly silent, and the Kents and Gloucesters have disappeared, unless I missed something.

So it's hardly as if he's doing something unusual. But if there's self-interest there, for once he showed some brains and picked the right thing.

I'm wondering a bit at Anne's invisibility, though.

Bea has also vanished, but I expect that's due to the unpleasant choices vis-a-vis her wedding that the pandemic has left her with.

Easter at Windsor used to be the occasion for the other major church pap walk for the BRF. I wonder if the Queen will go in person, anyway, given how devout she is, although opening St. George's Chapel just for her and a couple of retainers seems absurd. However, there is a chapel at Windsor. Of her children, only Andrew also lives at Windsor in Royal Lodge. It's doubtful the Cambridges will show up coming all the way from Norfolk. - it's a good 100 miles at least. The Wales are still at Birkhall.

Too bad - used to love seeing the spring hats and you never know - given her age, it could be her last Easter at Windsor.

Camilla shares her nine favorite books.

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It's Tiara Time...The Diamond Festoon Tiara.

A rare sight - The Aquamarine Pineflower Tiara.

The tiaras once worn by the Russian Imperial Family are now owned by the British monarch.

Even tomboyish Princess Anne had a dolly.

Swipe for veiled royal hats through the years.

Good tiaras today, thank you. Anne really has the right dominant hair for them.

Man those two Russian tiaras are to fucking die for.

The veiled hats are interesting, sartorially, thanks for posting.

In the first set, it looks as if the Queyen Mother was still a young Duchess of York, as she still has her bangs (her husband asked her to grow them in, he didn't like them), and although I've seen lots of photos of her, that's the first time I've seen that hat. She looks pretty in it . . .

That said, those veiled hats I think can be hard to wear - the veil lends a certain theatricality. I thought Diana didn't look good in any of the photos in her set, yet Kate looked wonderful in hers, even though Diana is much prettier. I think the trick is to keep the hat simple. I don't know why, but I didn't like any of Diana's veiled hats.

You know what it is, Diana had a big nose. Large and beautiful as her eyes were, the veils didn't work well with her nose. Kate has small, neat features, including her nose.

And Anne looked utterly awful in hers.

Queen Margrethe of Denmark turns 80 this month. She's been a heavy smoker all her life. Her mother, Queen Ingrid (formerly, Princess Ingrid of Sweden), lived to be 90 and her father, King Christian IX, till 72.

I wonder how long she'll hold up. I can't imagine her going on the way QEII seems to be.

She did resent it, R50, and rightly so. She moved to the US for a long time and refused titles for her children. She did more work for the RF as she got older and returned to England, but she should have been in the line of succession. If, for some reason, she had become Queen, she would have made a better queen than Charles will make a King.

R83 - What ARE you talking about?! Anne IS in the line of succession, just well down the line.

The Line of Succession today:

Charles William - then William's three children Harry - then Harry's son Prince Andrew - then Prince Andrew's two children Prince Edward - then Prince Edward's two children PRINCESS ANNE - 14th ln the line of succession.

"Anne, Princess Royal, KG, KT, GCVO, GCStJ, QSO, CD[2][3][4] (Anne Elizabeth Alice Louise; born 15 August 1950) is the second child and only daughter of Queen Elizabeth II and Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh. At the time of her birth, she was third in the line of succession to the British throne, behind her mother – then Princess Elizabeth – and older brother, Charles. She rose to second after her mother's accession but is 14th in line as of August 2019"

She once said that was perfectly delighted that she never had a sister.

She refused titles for her children because she knew that by the time they were grown up those titles would be meaningless and more like shackles then anything else.

Exactly how long did Princess Anne "live" in the US, because I cannot find a single mention of it in any biography of her, and when did she "return" to England?

She was born and educated in England; there is no record of her pursuing any further education in the US or anywhere else; her equestrian training took place in Britain.

Please provide proof that Anne moved to the US to live for awhile out of resentment at being behind her brothers in the line of succession.

Oh god here we go again.

Anne didn’t refuse titles for her children - there were no titles for her to refuse. Royal titles in the House of Windsor pass through the male line. Females take their status from their husbands on marriage.

Nobody goes on about how amazing it was that Princess Margaret refused titles for her children. Same scenario - daughter of the sovereign married a commoner.

It’s believed that Anne and her first husband declined the offer of an Earldom for Mark Phillips, but if they had accepted, her children would today be Viscount Secondary-Title and Lady Zara Tindall.

There was never a chance of their being called Prince Peter and Princess Zara.

Yet people continue to repeat the tale of the declined titles. Never happened.

Thank you, OP, for inspiring my trip down the rabbit hole to learn about the deceased Lord Bath. Talk about lurid and scandalous gossip! One juicy tidbit from The Mirror: "Boasting of his sexual prowess, he wracked up 74 girlfriends he referred to as his 'wifelets' and earned himself the nickname the ‘Loins’ of Longleat."

Whoever's been hijacking website names for H&M's new charity has struck again. Right now a Google search for "archewellcharity.uk" is going directly to a video of Will Ferrell yelling, "You are a smelly pirate hooker. Why don't you go back to your home on whore island?" L.A. must be experiencing tremors tonight!

That’s hilarious, r88.

Oh God, R88, I just laughed until my nose ran!

As I said previously, and especially as it goes on and gets nastier, I think they can turn the hacking into a positive point for themselves. It smacks of bullying and people will rally around them, and especially her, as she's the one being insulted.

Omfg r88, it does! The trolling re this naming situation has been A+

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I've been "studying/following" the British Royal Family for years and to my knowledge...

Anne NEVER lived in the US.

The Queen offered a title to Princess Anne's first husband, Mark Phillips, but the couple declined.

Princess Margaret's husband did accept the Earldom of Snowdon so their children David and Sarah were titled.

Some of you on here really don't know what you're posting.

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R91 - I agree: at first it was amusing and the failure to safeguard the name made the Sussexes look inept, but after a certain point it will reverse and make the Sussexes look like victims.

If the perps are crusing DL: knock it off, already. You made your point, the name is already sullied, back off.

The daffodils are in bloom at Kensington Palace.

It's Tiara Time...swipe for The Stuart Tiara from the House of Orange (The Netherlands).

Diamond bling bling!

It's Tiara Time Part Two - The Mellerio Ruby Parure Tiara worn by the Dutch royal ladies.

“Royal” title, R94. Roll your beady little eyes at that.

R96 = concerned fraucunt

Fuck you!

I think Mark Phillips lived in the US for a bit, a horsey friend met him there during the 1980s.

R91: Bullying? More like hilarity with a new edition every damn day.

There's another website they failed to lock down offering the site to them - as soon as Harry is returned safely to the UK.

R101 - Concerned fraucunt yourself, moron. If you'd read my posts you'd know I despise the Sussexes. So much so that it would greatly please me NOT to see them getting an easy leg up in the Victimhood games.

Not much of a tactician, are you?

Clarence House shared a cheerful photo for Easter.

One of Diana’s odder early outfits. I don’t recall seeing this one.

Hats didn't really suit Diana, did they. I mean sure, she could carry them off, but she really did look her best with her hair uncovered.

R106 - Ah, that first photos was Diana at her youthful worst, showing all the bad habits that eventually she did manage to dial back: cluttered neckline, frills, feathers, patterns . . . even at 5'10" and rail thin it was impossible to pull off. I think the hat and pearls were an attempt to look more mature, but the pink pie-crust frill and patterned dress were still Ingenue.

I actually like the pieces of the ensemble (was she early pregnant with William in that?), but not together. Only her amazingly photogenic face, the beautiful skin, eyes, hair, and legs, allowed Diana to look endearing rather than simply awful.

Charles' message to the Sikh community.

Will is in good spirits as he has a conversation with a woman who provides meals to people in need.

Charles and Camilla make the Hello magazine cover.

Queen Margrethe of Denmark will turn 80 years old on April 16th and these new photos have been released for the occasion.

R112 The daddy is so hot.

It's Tiara Time...swipe for the Cartier Halo Tiara.

The end of the yacht Brittania was the only time I've seen the Queen get this emotional. There were a lot of happy memories of family vacations taken on the ship.

Edward has a message.

Even the stock inscrutable Anne cried when the Britannia was put down. In all her work with the Save the Children organisation, visiting some of the poorest countries with immense child poverty, Anne never teared up.

I'm guessing the next time will be Philip's funeral. She was close to her father and allegedly his favourite.

^*stoic (not stock)

r117, she was decommissioned,although the idea of a ship being put down like a rabid dog is possibly more fun.

Prince George's godfather, the Duke of Westminster, is pledging over 12 million pounds for the Covid-19 fight.

R120 - Hugh Grosvenor, 7th Duke of Westminster, is the richest man in the world under 39.

He could buy and sell Charles 100 times over - and probably a good many other scions of top-tier royal families.

It's a nice gift - I believe his mother, Natasha, was one of William's godparents. Grosvenor looks as if he was relatively well raised, given the hot house of pedigree, status, and wealth he was born into.

What a catch (I think he's already been caught).

What must it be like to wake up being Hugh Grosvenor?

^*richest man in the world under THIRTY (not 39)

Hmmm, no mention of Grosvenor being caught yet, or even a serious GF, in his Wikipedia profile.

Queen Margrethe is a hot bitch. I love that wacky dame.

R123 - he had an on-and-off gf called Hannah for years but I'm not sure what the status of their relationship is now.

King Philippe of the Belgians is 60 years old today. Swipe for photos of him and his family through the years.

It's Tiara Time...one of my favorite tiaras - Queen Alexandra's Kokoshnik Tiara. Simple and elegant.

Sometimes less is more.

R25

Il y a toujours un "s" à la fin de corps.

Au singulier ou au pluriel.

Six tiaras. Which one is your favorite?

Princess Alice's Meander Tiara.

Harry and Meghan donate some BBC wedding broadcast profits to UK hunger charity Feeding Britain. The Archbishop of Canterbury is its president.

R129, thanks for another tiara post! A very impressive group of jewelry. The Fringe tiara is lovely, but my favorite has always been the Girls of Great Britain and Ireland.

R129 I love Tiara Time! Really, anything the British Royal family poached from the Romanovs is fabulous. In the nineties I went to a spectacular museum exhibition of the Russian jewels and it was just breathtaking.

(R55) Queen Elizabeth's birthday is April 21. My mother's was the same as Liz and my BD is same as Princess Margaret's.

R128 - Merci.

R25

The Queen Mary Kokoshnik is my favourite outside of the George IV Diadem.

Of the six tiaras in the other post, I would have to go with the Vladimir, especially given its versatility between emeralds and pearls in the diamond circlets.

One day Kate will be wearing these.

I like the one in the middle left, above the Vladimir.

Fergie never gives up. She always grasps for publicity and attention for any project as long as she's in the news.

Today is James Middleton's birthday.

Gosh, James has a lot of dogs.

Why is Fergie behind a plant at r138?

She is such an idiot.

Fergie is trying to rehabilitate the York name through the side door, with a secondary aim of making the public more reception to a grander wedding for Bea next year.

Actually, I'm in favour of a more grand wedding for Bea, it will be more fun for us, and God knows it's not Bea's fault that her parents are gargoyles and the Sussexes became problem invitees and COVID-19 struck.

Go for it, Bea: maybe you'll get St George's Chapel, after all! (But no TV coverage and not carriage ride!)

^*more receptive (not reception)

R113 - "The Daddy is so hot"

I'm waiting for Christian to grow up.

R142 I want the TV coverage and carriage ride, damn it!

R138 Just about everything in the photo (including Fergie, doing a personal appearance) will be available at Marshall's and TJ Maxx later this year.

I love the Vladimir the most. But the Kokoshnik is a stunner, too.

I hated this hairdo and color on Diana. And let’s face it, she was going the Harry and Meghan celebrity route when her life was cut short.

Sophie Wessex gets cooking! Good for her!

European royals sent birthday greetings to the 80-year-old Queen Margrethe of Denmark.

Will's message to the Nightingale hospital staff.

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Here are Queen Victoria's descendants who are reigning today - left to right: King Harald of Norway, King Felipe of Spain, Queen Elizabeth of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, King Carl Gustaf of Sweden and Queen Margrethe of Denmark. Of course, there are other families who are related to Victoria as well but they've lost their thrones.

Princess Eléonore of Belgium celebrates her 12th birthday today (a day after her father King Philippe celebrated his 60th).

Fergie reads to children in isolation and the first book she reads to them is HER OWN. Who would have thought? Self-serving even during a pandemic.

R148 - this was my favorite hairstyle for Diana. Thick, luxurious, blonde, soft waves.

A slight resemblance between Philip, Charles, William and George.

R148 - Diana looked awful in bangs because of her big nose. Even her large eyes and beautiful skin weren't enough to offset the prominence of the nose that the bangs conferred.

R159 oh yes I totally agree!

R161 plus the cut looked too gamine and a little greasy. And too blonde, probably following the CBK blonde chunks trend of the day.

[quote] One day Kate will be wearing these.

And Meghan NEVER will!

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It's Tiara Time...swipe for some horrors and beauties from the Danish royal family.

Princess of Sofia of Sweden has trained up to volunteer at a hospital.

I'm partial to her and her husband; she's cute, he's one of the few (only?) hot royals.

The Scandinavian royals have some odd jewels. That first citrine/topaz tiara brings out the yellow in her teeth. And the last gold flower piece looks like someone strung some lights in her hair.

Yes, the Harkles are suddenly everywhere, jumping in after a looonnngggg vacay to prove that they, too, CARE, and making damned sure there are lots of images of them CARING.

No matter what they do, you can always see the wheels going around. The timing is always off, the calculation evident, the strain of effort always shows.

R170 - That's the Naasut Tiara and I think it's all gold with some diamonds. I don't think there are yellow gems in it - see below:

" . . . Greenland from honoring Queen Margrethe appropriately for her 40th jubilee, and the result is the newest addition to the Danish royal tiara collection. During its official presentation, it was referred to as the Naasut Tiara, meaning “flowers” in Greenlandic.

This is a true example of a modern tiara design. First, it makes use of an unusual material ratio: the gold is the star of the show rather than the diamonds which are also included, and we usually see that ratio flipped. (Some initial news reports also stated that there were rubies in the tiara, though I can’t personally see them.) It also keeps with modern standards for eco-friendly materials: the gold was first used for gold coins produced for the International Polar Year.

The Greenland gold was melted again to be used for the tiara, which was first created as a bouquet of flowers from goldsmith Nicholas Appel. The arrangement into a tiara, and the design of the accompanying earrings, was done in consultation with the creative Margrethe. There is an element of flexibility here: the tiara can be used as five brooches. The cost, reported to be around $53,000, was met by the Greenlandic government and five companies."

Interesting R172, thanks for sharing that!

Perfectly stated r171 - I think back to Meghan's unnecessarily early announcement that she'd be attending the Met Gala.....of course then it gets cancelled and she sets herself up for people to go "HaHa".

The timing is ALWAYS off, the calculation always evident. Perfect

It's Camilla's turn to open a Nightingale hospital.

Tiara Time Two...swipe for Japan's Meiji Scroll Tiara.

The Edwardian Tiara of Denmark.

Denmark's Alexandrine Diamond Drop Tiara.

Now onto Belgium...here is Princess Claire's Pearl and Diamond Tiara.

The Brabant Laurel Leaf Tiara of Belgium.

The Fleur de Lys Tiara is WAY TOO BIG for Queen Letizia of Spain's head.

Spain's Cartier Diamond Loop Tiara is too big as well but I like the design better than @R181.

Yeah, those huge tiaras need a big gal like Camilla, Maxima, or Victoria of Sweden to work.

Speaking of Sweden and their odd crown jewels, the wiki "regalia of Sweden" article says there are seven coronets of this design, which are to be worn by the princes and princesses of Sweden. I haven't found a single picture of one being worn.

Tiara Troll, make yourself useful!

Okay, I've seen this odd Swedish crown-hat before, on other discussions of jewels. WTF is up with up with this thing? I haven't been able to find any info on it, just pictures.

Are tiaras only for women? Can an openly gay Royal wear it?

Well, I must say that Meiji Scroll tiara has nothing to apologies for.

And, I'm sorry, but Letizia for all her presence is just too small for the Fleur de Lys and the other tiara. Agree with poster upthread: her head is too small for them. They work on people like Queen Maxima of The Netherlands.

R127 - that's definitely not the one they gave Mary for her wedding . . .

Prince Frederick aged like milk. Is he a boozer? I recollect some stories about him drunk-dancing in a nightclub with a strange blonde when the twins were younger.

Fergie never misses an opportunity to promote herself and her products.

These young ladies (Violet, Eliza & Alice Manners, daughters of the Duke and Duchess of Rutland) are pretty for aristocrats.

R190 - Love the sweet old-fashioned names on the Rutland daughters. They ARE attractive.

Re Crown Prince Frederik - I don't think he ever struck anyone as a potential winner of Model Husband Award.

Mary looks like someone who wanted the life badly, accepted the downsides and handled those well. They look like good parents, their brood is very attractive, and the Queen has expressed nothing but approval for her two daughters-in-law.

Crown Princess Mary and her sister in law, Princess Marie, strike me as the poster illustrations of sensible social climbers: enjoy the perks, thank God every day for your beautiful homes and good luck, keep shtum about the problems, do your job well, and be realistic about the pitfalls of marrying feckless, spoilt, moody royal males who have never had real jobs and who feel sorry for themselves.

It's Tiara Time...swipe for the Queen's sapphire and diamond tiara.

Not a tiara but a CROWN. The jewels are blinding.

R190 Their brother is hot.

R192 - Passionate lover of sapphires here, but something about that tiara bothers me. I think it's too high in the center, and that top bit should have been removed and turned into a brooch , so that it was a more gently curve coronet type thing, like the Cartier Halo that Kate wore on her wedding day.

The necklace, on the other hand . . . is breathtaking, although again I like it better without the drop. I believe the earrings were gifts from George VI to his wife, Queen Elizabeth, in the last 1940s.

I think Chips Channon or Noel Coward - one of the keen observers of all things aristocratic and royal in the 1940 and 1950s, attended a do where the then-young Queen arrived wearing the necklace, wrote about it and said, "The Queen looked luminously lovely and was wearing a necklace of sapphires the size of pigeon's eggs . . ."

I'll look the quote up and see if I can find it.

^*late (not last) 1940s.

R190 They have aristocratic faces. You could easily picture them in costumes of any bygone era.

The Rutlands have an interesting history - Mum is the daughter of a Welsh farmer who got lucky in the marriage sweepstakes, because the 11th Duke of Rutland was quite a high-end catch. Belvoir Castle is the family seat.

The girls pictured are the first three of the five the couple have, mirroring a common theme: continued breeding until the necessary male heir is produced -something that mirrored the Spencer family situation that was partly what drove Diana's parents apart. After the three girls, finally came the heir and the spare.

I am partial to the lovely old-fashioned full names of the daughters:

Lady Violet Diana Louise Manners

Lady Alice Louisa Lilly Manners

Lady Eliza Charlotte Manners

I'm particularly fond of Violet Diana Louise, which we all hoped would be the kind of name Harry and Meghan would have named the daughter they didn't have.

In the event, it's clear they wouldn't have had the taste to do so, and she would have been called Betty Rachel Harrison.

Belvoir Castle, the Rutland family seat, has been leant out for a variety of film and television locations:

"The 1980 film Little Lord Fauntleroy starring Sir Alec Guinness and Ricky Schroder. The castle itself was used as a location for The Da Vinci Code — it represented Castel Gandolfo, the Pope's summer residence. It also featured in the 1985 film Young Sherlock Holmes starring Nicholas Rowe and Alan Cox. In September 2007, it was used as a location for The Young Victoria. In the 2001 Jim Henson production of Jack and the Beanstalk: The Real Story, the castle is where the giant bones have been discovered. The kitchen scenes of Hill House were filmed here for the 1999 version of The Haunting which is a remake of the 1963 version. The castle was used as one of several stand-ins for Buckingham Palace for the 1991 comedy film King Ralph."

Queen Margrethe has obviously never heard of teeth whitening strips...

Ok Sapphire Lover @R192, you may like the Leuchtenberg Sapphires of Sweden.

Will (aka Super Prince) has some words for Captain Tom Moore who raising millions of pounds for Britain's National Health System (NHS).

^ Sorry, my post @R201 was meant for R195.

Diana at 49.

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R206 Poor Harry! He's so triggered by cameras! His mum died! How could he have expected to be papped in Los Angeles?

We don't often see or hear of the princely family of Liechtenstein (one of the richest) so here are some of their tiaras to peruse. First up is the Kinsky Honeysuckle Tiara.

The Habsburg Fringe Tiara. I like this one.

For all of you royal history buffs...swipe for a little genealogy of the royal, ducal and princely houses of Europe - past, present and future.

A clip of the cartoon posted at R208.

Down memory lane...the elegant outfit worn by Grace Kelly to her civil wedding to Prince Rainier of Monaco in 1956. Gorgeous perfection. Her wedding dress was just a lovely.

R201 - Holy Mother of Mary.

I don't know - looks like too much of a good thing, don't you think?

I think the problem is the tiara: it's actually rather ugly.

Why can't anyone design a really decent sapphire tiara?!

R192

R214 - That bloody suit Grace wore to her civil wedding could be worn today without the slightest alteration, and it would still scream class. Ditto the wedding dress, on which so many, including Kate's, were later modeled. The suit for the civil service and the full wedding dress were by Helen Rose, who banged it out I think in six weeks with some ungodly number of seamstresses working day and night. Rose did Kelly's costumes for "The Swan", as well.

The wedding dress was a wedding gift from MGM to Kelly.

It was another miss for Edith Head, who was a personal friend of Kelly's and expected to be asked to do the wedding outfits.

Head had already been blind-sided before by Hepburn, who turned to Givenchy for designs that forced Head to redo the costumes she'd sketched for Hepburn in "Sabrina". Head took credit for the whole, and only after that did Givenchy get all the credit for Hepburn's costumes.

Too bad today's Givenchy couldn't do the same thing for Meghan Markle that it did in the 1950s for Audrey Hepburn.

Sorry, I just don't like Queen Elizabeth's sapphire tiara. Graceless, clunky design.

It's a pity Diana never had a good sapphire tiara, she had sapphire blue eyes and looked fab in them! But she did have the sapphire suite given to her by the king of Saudi Arabia as a wedding gift, what became of those? They should have gone to William, but I haven't seen Kate wearing any of them.

Princess Grace's wedding dress designed by Helen Rose. For me, it's the best royal wedding dress EVER.

Swipe for more Grace wedding photos.

An iconic dress.

Lord Louis Mountbatten's youngest daughter, Lady Pamela, is 91 years old today. She is the mother of India Hicks.

R190, it is fascinating how much the young Rutland daughters look like Janetta, Duchess of Rutland, who was born in 1837. The gorgeous family tiara is shown here.

Swipe for photos of the Queen from 1927 to 1958.

The Princely family of Lichtenstein has more cash than the BRF. True royal billionaires.

That was a fascinating look at the history of the Rutland tiara, thanks!

Grand Duchess Maria Teresa of Luxembourg has been under pressure for a while...something to do with the way that she treats the health.

GD Maria Teresa just announced last week that one of her favorite uncles died of coronavirus, in Cuba I think. Of course she's under stress.

There was a drag queen in Dallas named Anita Bath...any relation?

Charles looks like death warmed over.

R227, the issues with her staff have been ongoing before the pandemic.

It's Tiara Time...swipe for the Braganza Tiara of Sweden. It's a little big for my liking.

The Surrey Fringe Tiara was dismantled to make TWO tiaras.

My favorite tiara from the British royal family - Queen Alexandra's Kokoshnik Tiara. The Queen was quite stunning.

Cover girl Kate.

R228 - Given the eccentricities of the last Marquess, I suppose anything is possible.

R232 - Queen Mary looks quite lovely there, you can see HM's and Anne's resemblance to her. Their beautiful skins are also apparent in Mary. Queen Alexandra, though, Mary's demanding and not terribly sweet mother-in-law was considered the real beauty and held onto her looks into her sixties, and Mary was always compared unfavourable to Alexandra for most of her life.

Imagine trying to move around in all that jewellery around the neck.

Kate sends a message to the Evelina London Children's Hospital staff.

"It's Tiara Time...swipe for the Braganza Tiara of Sweden. It's a little big for my liking. "

Agreed. It ought to be turned over to Crown Princess Victoria, she's a big gal and can carry off whopping big jewels.

And R232, does anyone know what became of that massive pearl "dog collar" necklace? It couldn't be worn by anyone with an ordinary neck.

Fuck Kate...why should folks care about how she’s coping during the pandemic? She has tons of staff helping her do the most mundane things. Bitch ain’t suffering.

r237, but she didn;t mention her Duchess or HRH twenty times...

Meggles could have learned one thing from Kate: If getting to the top of your mountain means making certain concessions, live up to your end of the deal!

Kate Middleton is THE most breathtaking social climber of our age, and has recent events have shown, Meghan is nowhere in her league. Meghan should have treated her like an acolyte treats a living saint, and begged her to reveal the secrets of Ultimate Social Climbing, instead of making an enemy of her. Because you just don't make an enemy of a superior social climber, they didn't get where they are today without knowing what to do to the competition.

Kate scared off all potential competitors while dating William with her famous "death stare". She'd just evil eye them until they felt intimidated. Classic cockblocking.

Kate is a massive cunt. I can't stand her, but I see why some folks like her.

R242 - Kate is a massive cunt? Really? Any evidence to back up your claim. I'll wait.

R237 - Simple, sweet, focused on the recipients and not the sender. No word salad, but nice, clean, sympathetic but not treacly prose.

Awkward time to be a royal, considering your existence is about being seen/experienced/followed/noted.

Princess Isabella, third in line to the Danish throne, turns 13 today and a lovely close-up taken her mother was released, she was a rather plain little girl but is turning into a lovely young teen, a combination of her mother and father, with lovely blue eyes and fair hair.

Sorry, I do not know how to post links to photos, but you can find the photos on HELLO and on Billed-Bladet (Denmark's version of HELLO).

Didn't Albert of Monaco have the virus? I saw some video of him the other day, I guess he and Prince Charles shared the same mild case?

The Queen sends a message of condolences to Nova Scotia after the mass shooting.

The Queen is 94 years old today. A video to mark the occasion.

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R246 - this post is for you. Swipe for photos of Isabella.

It's Tiara Time...swipe for the Dutch Wurttemburg Tiara.

The Dutch Sapphire Tiara.

I like Crown Princess Mary of Denmark...she seems gracious and genuine.

That sapphire brooch is eye poppin'.

The king of Spain has been quarantined on his private jet....so the reign of Spain will stay mainly on the plane...

Lovely, R256.

R253 If I had that thing on my head, I'd be grinning that "Can you BELIEVE? Jealous, bitches?" grin too!

Those tiaras must be well secured. Can you imagine bending over and the thing goes clunking onto the floor? Has this ever happened publicly?

R251 - Smooches, thanks!

Lovely photos, Isabella has beautiful eyes. The two boys look like Mary, Isalbella looks like her father, Josephine, too early to tell.

R246

R253 - I like this sapphire tiara better than any I've seen in QEII's collection. For one thing, they all look like Ceylons, which is fabulous, and holy shit, look at the size of the one on Maximas's shoulder!

R252 - Don't care for the Wurtemburg. Looks too much like a Beauty Queen crown.

Swipe for photos of Princess Caroline of Monaco's daughter, Princess Alexandra of Hanover.

R205 - I always liked Emma Thynn for some reason. She looks like she would be fun to socialize with.

R263 - That's the best I've ever seen Alexandra look, I found her quite plain in ordinary photos of her with the family. These photos, however, clearly done with the help of the best available in makeup, hair, and photography angles, make her look stunning. She has her mother's short nose but not Caroline's slightly weak chin that exaggerated her long face. And the clothes are fabulous.

And I love the strong eyebrows. But she does need lots of mascara to offset them or the seductive blue eyes will get lost.

R264

I've thought for several years now that Alexandra was growing into a beauty. She has an exotic, mysteriously serene look. No pun intended.

....However, I do NOT like all the makeup. Her appeal was as a fresh, natural beauty.

Alexandra may yet turn out to be a major major pop/cultural influence.

R267 - I don't think there is a pun there with "serene". Alexandra is an HRH, not an HSH, as her father is an HRH.

"Alexandra is the only one of Princess Caroline's four children who bears any royal style or title. While she is formally styled as Her Royal Highness Princess Alexandra of Hanover in Monaco, she is afforded the style and title out of courtesy elsewhere. As the Kingdom of Hanover no longer exists, the title is not legally recognized in Germany. She is 13th in the line of succession to the Monegasque throne. Through her father, she was in the line of succession to the British throne until she was confirmed into the Catholic Church."

Sidenote: Alexandra was christened as a Protestant;, her father's family's faith; she converted at 18 to Roman Catholicism, her mother's faith, and thus gave up her place in the line of succession to the British throne.

Interesting, R271. Has anyone seen Prince Ernst lately?

Whoa. An artfully enhanced photo of young Diana. Strong vibes of the drama to come

R272 - He's rather vanished from the scene, so far as I know. I think there have been rumours of both ill-health and serious family squabbling on his side. He and Caroline have, of course, been parted for years, but for reasons best known to them, a divorce wasn't thought advantageous for either one. I'm curious myself about Alexandra's conversion to Catholicism (it happens - look at the Duchess of Kent and her children) - whether it was just an acknowledgement that she isn't close to her father and her real family life is centred around Caroline and Monaco, and that she wishes to be a full part of that. It's not as if she ever stood a chance of moving up in the line of succession either to the Monegasque or British throne!

Will & Kate launch a new mental health initiative Our Frontline UK.

The Brits are obsessed with mental health these days.

What happened to resilience?

I’ve had similar thoughts R276. I sort of wish the old stiff upper lip would come back in vogue.

R276 & R277 - Bill and Cathy's initiatives never pan out to amount to anything so do not be too worried.

R278 "Oh Beware, my lord, of jealousy. 'Tis the green-eyed monster which doth mock the meat it feeds on."

Will had a mentally disturbed mother and his brother is clearly mentally unwell. I guess it's his way of helping?

Meghan said the British "stiff upper lip" was harmful but I'm American ans I wish they'd all stop with their blubbering. Maybe they just need Anne to give them all a good slap and tell them to get on with things.

R278 What you are saying applies more to Meghan. Everything she touches turns to shit.

R280 speaks the truth. Diana was mentally ill and Harry has struggled, and it's likely that William has as well. James Middleton has gone public about his issues with depression, so it's no wonder William and Kate are passionate about mental illness support.

Today is Daniel Chatto's birthday. He's the husband of Princess Margaret's daughter, Lady Sarah Armstrong Jones. I've always thought he was attractive.

It's Tiara Time...on to the Spaniards. Here is Infanta Pilar's Sapphire Tiara.

Swipe for the Prussian Tiara.

Now to Luxembourg...The Aquamarine Bandeau Tiara.

The Amethyst, Pearl and Diamond Bandeau Tiara of Luxembourg.

The Imperial State Crown worn by the British monarchs.

R281 - When you really get down to the bottom of the discussion you will find that 90% of the BRF are nothing but a bunch of 3rd rate actors trying to act like they are doing some public good on the public stage.

Swipe for the Strathmore Rose Tiara.

Bug Eyed Bea gives a shout out for a dyslexia charity.

The annual Garter service at St George's Chapel Windsor in June is cancelled. We're not going to see any royals for a while.

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R289 They're better actors than Meghan. You can see her grift from space.

Prince Louis turn two.

Kate has published truly adorable photos of Louis for his 2nd birthday. He is easily the handsomest of her three kids and shares major personality projection with his sister.

Beautiful child.

[R280] My favorite Princess Diana quote: “I wasn’t crazy until I married into this FU@KING family!”

Louis looks like Prince Edward.

Louis looks like Michael Middleton IMHO.

R297 Yeah, right. Her own grandmother apologized to the royal family for not disclosing her mental instability before the wedding.

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What Diana did in r301 was ghastly, but her parents' divorce really scarred her. I think that even before then, there was emotional neglect and abuse in that family.

I thought it was "After all I've done for this fucking family."

Also - I realize divorce scars children, but aren't aristocratic families like Diana's emotionally aloof and repressed, anyway? Wasn't she raised by nanny? How could it be such a disruption? Just wondering, that's all.

Self-awareness was not one of Diana's strong suits; it rarely is in narcissists and borderline types. For one thing, they usually lack securely anchored core identities - there's little "there" there, if you know what I mean, so everything they understand about themselves is aligned to the external world's response to them, which is why it is important to them to get what they want from that world.

Diana was also a fantasist. In that sense, she was in a way correct: her real breakdown occurred when she got what she'd always wanted, to marry Charles and become Princess of Wales, and it didn't "fix" her. She was in the throes of a breakdown by the time she returned from what Tina Brown accurately called, "the Honeymoon from Hell". It was just cleverly hidden by the family (who probably didn't even realise it WAS a breakdown), the ecstatic news of her pregnancy, and the truth didn't emerge until well after her death when a few honest biographies were published.

Then again, I doubt Charles and the rest of the BRF were in much better case, but for different reasons.

It was a perfect storm.

Louis is an affectionate little boy.

What a touching photo at R305.

No, Diana's problems weren't a result of being aristocratic or having a nanny. God, the shit people believe about all swaths of British society from watching Downton Abbey.

Diana was the third daughter and third of fourth children. Her problems stemmed from a total family collapse in her childhood when her mother ran off with another man, her father sued for custody, and won, with Diana's mother, Lady Ruth Fermoy, going into the witness box and testifying for her son-in-law, Earl Spencer, against her own daughter. It was one of the great society scandals of its day.

The children, as they would have been in any family going through a similar situation, were caught in the middle. Some kids suffer more depending on their "position" in the family, and their own natures, than others. Diana's sister, Sarah, went though a very bad patch as well in her late teens and twenties, with heavy drinking and a bad case of anorexia. In the event, Sarah got over it and managed what seems like a happy, long-term marriage.

Diana adored her father; her relationship with her mother was more complex but hardly nonexistent.

As an archetypical "middle child" (one of three daughters and not even the eldest), and a huge disappointment to her parents who needed a male heir desperately, the emotional needs of Diana but the other kids as well got shoved aside as the parents fought their bitter battle out.

It's an old story and it happens across myriad social strata.

There is also a great deal people still don't understand about how much of mental illness is nature and how much is nurture.

It's not surprising that a young girl who felt ignored and spent her teens reading Barbara Cartland romances became fixated on a marriage that would ensure her needs would never be overlooked again.

So you can imagine the shock when, after the marriage, she found out that she still wasn't the centre of the universe to the one person she hoped would treat her as such.

I'm not blaming Diana for the ferocity of her demons, but she never moved past them or came to any understanding that her expectations had been unrealistic.

As they say in some parts, "No shame in catchin' crabs, only in keepin' 'em."

i thought this thread was about Baseball with the Royals and the Astros in the title

R307, I agree with your perspective. She was obviously a bit of a mess and lived at the end of the days of real social stigma when it comes to mental illness. It's so obvious whey Will & Kate are fixated on mental illness.

Why is OP stanning Emma Weymouth? She is a laughingstock. Her wig on Strictly Come Dancing was a hideous nylon confection that any denizen of an Atlanta strip club would have rejected for looking too cheap.

R310 - I never realized Emma Thynn, Marchioness of Bath wore a wig. Then again, I have never watched a single episode of Strictly Come Dancing so how could I have noticed?

I like Emma Thynn as she has given ne no reason not to like her.

Wigs are like shoes; different strokes for different folks.

Emma is tops. She makes Megstans seethe.

I can understand why she makes Meagan seethe but I cannot understand the dislike held for her by some DLers.

I can only speculate on why that seens to be the case R313.

[quote]Prince Louis turn two.

His fingerpainting has nothing on my collage skills.

What an adorable photo at r305. Kate must have a backlog of these, to release over time at key moments like this.

It also serves to show that the BRF - at least the post-WWII generations - are very loving with each other, in direct contrast to statements made by other family members.

It's Lady Gabriella Windsor Kingston's birthday today as well as Prince Louis.

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"with Diana's mother, Lady Ruth Fermoy, going into the witness box"

This should have read, Diana's GRANDMOTHER, Lady Ruth Fermoy . . .

R307

^ a lot of GIFTS

One of them from the Royal Toxophilite Society, R391.

The gift itself is a giveaway (in both senses of that word) but it's further proof we can learn something here everyday.

Didn't say Diana's pedigree was the cause of her problems, R307, kindly learn to read and comprehend, and don't be so goddamn snippy. Question posed was, aren't parents less hands-on in such families? Why would divorce be such a major disruption? Diana was shipped off to boarding school anyway. It's not like some middle-class nuclear family breaking up their humble home.

Charles and Camilla clap for carers.

The Cambrige family clap for carers.

Here's the full clip of Prince William's chat with Stephen Fry on the BBC's Big Night In.

"Her [Diana's] problems stemmed from a total family collapse in her childhood when her mother ran off with another man, her father sued for custody, and won."

I actually knew a couple of middle-class families like this. Back in the day, it was standard to award the father full custody if the mother had cheated and he wanted the kids, there were huge double standards when it came to adultery - and punishing a mother for being a slut was seen as the correct and moral thing to do. So I knew some kids from families where the mother had found someone else, and a father who thought more about his own ego than the kids needs got full or primary custody.

In both cases, the kids were horribly neglected. Not financially, they were envied by the other kids because they had lots of freedom and spending money, but as they had little contact with the mother and the father didn't want to bother with parenting, they were one step away from being completely feral. There was misbehavior in youth, and mental illness later in life. Sound familiar?

"Her [Diana's] problems stemmed from a total family collapse in her childhood when her mother ran off with another man, her father sued for custody, and won."

I actually knew a couple of middle-class families like this. Back in the day, it was standard to award the father full custody if the mother had cheated and he wanted the kids, there were huge double standards when it came to adultery - and punishing a mother for being a slut was seen as the correct and moral thing to do. So I knew some kids from families where the mother had found someone else, and a father who thought more about his own ego than the kids needs got full or primary custody.

In both cases, the kids were horribly neglected. Not financially, they were envied by the other kids because they had lots of freedom and spending money, but as they had little contact with the mother and the father didn't want to bother with parenting, they were one step away from being completely feral. There was misbehavior in youth, and mental illness later in life. Sound familiar?

Diana’s grandmother was an ass-kisser to the extreme. She testified against her own daughter in a custody trial and she “testified” against her granddaughter later when she said she should have warned the Royals about Diana. I don’t believe Lady Fermoy said anything like that at all for the simple reason that I don’t think she was close enough to Diana to know her favorite flavour of ice cream, much less have an awareness of any deep mental health issues she may have had. I don’t think anyone outside her immediate family really thought much about Diana at all. She worked hard, had two jobs, had a group of friends and had a busy social life. She was well-liked and trusted by an American banker to watch her young son. I think Diana probably had some issues, but nothing more dramatic than most of the children of a chaotic and unstable upbringing. The worldwide fame, combined with a disappointing marriage, propelled her garden variety mental health issues to a whole new level. But I don’t believe there was anything about her as a teenager that indicated deep mental illness.

R329 - Nice try at white-washing Diana's fantasist and narcissism qualities. First of all, how would you know how close Lady Fermory was or wasn't to her granddaughter? Second, Diana's propensity for lying and fantasy were evident well before her marriage, and none of that would have precluded her being charming, charismatic, and good with kids. Yes, she was a wonderful baby-sitter, and as for "working hard" - PLEASE! She was a rich girl with a flat in Coleherne Court who drifted around doing bits of this and bits of that, with absolutely no actual career or goal in mind except for landing Mr Right.

Of course she was "nice". Why wouldn't she be? Narcissists are notoriously charming - I'm sure Meghan charmed the pants off (literally and figuratively) people she needed something fron.

The minute the ring was on Diana's finger, the red flags started unfurling. Disappointing marriage? Good God, the marriage was falling apart by the time they returned from honeymoon, because Diana's expectations of what a NON-disappointing marriage were she got straight from Barbara Cartland and her resentment of, for example, her husband serving his grandmother drinks first in the afternoon instead of his wife.

Her turnabout was so alarming that she was sent back to London that first September after the marriage for counseling. She wouldn't talk to guests at the Queen's table and sat there glowing and sullen. This is . . . two months after the wedding, and just one year after she had gone up to Balmoral and given her perfect, sweet-natured, malleable, docile "Looks How Lovely I Am Give Me The Job!" performance

And just in case you forgot, the Archbishop of Canterbury, in his memoirs, mentioned that when he met with Charles and Diana prior to the wedding, he "unfortunately" had to agree with Lady Fermoy that Diana was "an actress an a schemer".

Throwing yourself downstairs in a frenzy of anger and attention-seeking in early pregnancy is NOT evidence of "garden variety" issues.

Lady Fermoy was an arse-kisser, that's well documented; and she loved Charles the way so many older ladies of the court, and his grandmother did, and she worshipped the status and cachet of royalty and the aristocracy. But that doesn't mean she didn't know her granddaughter and hadn't been able to spot Diana's issues. In fact, she was on record as having warned Diana that "they aren't like the rest of us". Diana didn't listen either to Lady Fermoy OR her own mother, who warned Diana not to confuse the Prince with the man. Diana merrily replied, "Is there a difference?".

You can bet your arse Kate Middleton understood the difference.

These weren't "garden variety" mental health issues. She was seriously disturbed, and kept making the same mistakes over and over and over and over again.

Diana died in the arms of a playboy in his early forties with the maturity of a 16 year old who couldn't take a piss without phoning his father and asking permission first.

But he was offering the only thing Diana ever wanted: absolute adoration 24/7.

Didn't Diana push her stepmother down the stairs? How old was she when she did that?

Jan Moir of the DM has a deliciously bitchy piece up rating the response of varied royals during the COVID crisis, awarding a maximum of five "crowns" to each. Needless to say, the Queen got five out of five, the Cambridges got 4/5, and the Yorks, Cornwalls, and Sussexes fell below. The commentary is hilarious.

Those who think calling the Cambridges "boring" is some sort of criticism, and who are in denial about why "boring" works should read Moir's column.

Swipe for one of the weirdest royal wedding dresses. Dutch Prince Johan Friso married Mabel. He died after being in a coma from a skiing accident. The bride obviously LOVED bows.

R333 - OMG the bows!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I could stand the small ones but the big ones on the train .......................!!!!!

Eugenie and Jack have been a couple for ten years.

Swipe for the wedding of Princess Alexandra of Kent to Angus Ogilvy in 1963. I like her wedding dress.

Some better photos of Alexandra's wedding. She's one of my favorite royals.

R337 - That veil was originally supposed to be only the train. During rehearsals, Alexandra suddenly pulled it up on top of her head, and it became the veil AND the train.

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Hey Tiara Troll! What's become of this fabulous amethyst and diamond tiara, from Queen Alexandra's amethyst parue?

I've found pictures of Queen E. wearing what looks like this necklace and brooch, but not the really amazing tiara.

Swipe to discover why Queen Victoria was called "The Grandmother of Europe".

The present and future monarchs of Europe.

It's Tiara Time...swipe for the Lotus Flower Tiara.

Swipe for the Akishino Tiara.

Princess Mako's Tiara.

On to the aristocrats....swipe for the Devonshire Palmette Tiara.

The Northumberland Foliate Tiara.

The Japanese tiaras are lovely.

Holy Christ, the Devonshire tiara at R346 is a stunner! Huge, dazzling, big, bold, gorgeous thing - I'm amazed that Camilla hasn't grabbed it off the Duchess of Devonshire's head at some point!

But the Northumberland tiara is too big for the woman that's wearing it. It looks like it's going to slide down to her ears.

There appears to be several diamond cuts on the Northumberland tiara. Please educate me.

Louis is my favorite Cambridge child. He seems to be very affectionate and full of spirit. I suspect he may be Charles' fave too.

Swipe for the Cartier Halo Scroll Tiara.

The Japanese tiaras are beautiful but to me lack something in the way of "character" for lack of a better word. They have no "history" and all look as though they were bought from the same store 25 years ago.

Love the Lotus tiara but it's one of the few I like better on a fuller face. I liked it best on the Queen Mother (pictured with it low on the forehead as the young Duchess of York) and least on Kate.

The Northumberland is a doozy - However, here's the gossip behind the photo: the blushing bride smiling under the tiara is Melissa Percy, the Duke's daughter and an heiress in her own right, and she wasn't smiling long: the marriage lasted less than three years and she got a "quickie" divorce in under 45 seconds based on her husband's "unreasonable behaviour". And the groom was none other than Thomas von Straubenzee, close friend of the Wales boys, especially William, and one of Princess Charlotte's godparents. Princesses Eugenie and Beatrice were also there. Chelsy Davy was one of the principal bridesmaids. The dress was by Bruce Oldfield.

Pippa must have been salivating as the bride came down the aisle, as Pippa at the time I thinl was trying to snag George Percy, the bride's brother and heir to the title. Bad luck, Pips.

The Cartier Halo was absolutely perfect for Kate - feminine but very clean lines. Not flowery at all.

The Queen's cousin Princess Alexandra of Kent thanks hospital.

The Dutch Royal Family.

Louis is on the Hello cover.

My God, Fergie looks like she's been hit by a train.

I think Princess Alexandra has aged very gracefully. She looks tonnes better than Fergie, who is, what, 20 years younger?

That goes for Her Maj, as well.

Fergie never discovered sunscreen, apparently.

R356 - If his early looks are anything to go by, that isn't the last magazine cover Prince Louis will grace in the years to come.

Lord, those Dutch princesses are big. The eldest is almost as tall as her father, and is, er, quite zaftig as well.

That said, the family looks genuinely close and loving, very appealing. I have to hand it to Maxima - she came in behind the 8-ball politically, she is appealing but not terribly pretty, and she hit it out of the park. She's the kind of royal entrant you want to dislike at first, but end up liking in spite of yourself.

Fergie is so raggedy looking.

^^^ Her face is the visual for "rode hard and put away wet."

Harry needs to be reminded that's his future if he goes the beach bum route. No offense but gingers usually don't age well.

R363 - Ann Margret did pretty well for years.

That Dutch royal family is so homely and poorly styled, sorry.

It's Edward's turn to open a Nightingale hospital.

R365 - Yes, they are homely and poorly styled, I agree. But they look like a genuinely close family; they aren't photogenic, but I think they are appealing. And they look very . . . Dutch.

If the king’s daughters inherit their grandmother’s looks, they might have a chance of being passably attractive.

"Lord, those Dutch princesses are big. The eldest is almost as tall as her father, and is, er, quite zaftig as well. "

You can see where they get it! King Willem-Alexander is a big tall stout guy, and there's not a spare ounce on Maxima but she's a big broad-boned woman.

So those girls are going to grow up to be tall, broad-shouldered women who would look right at home in Viking armor, and they're going to spend their entire lives struggling to be camera-thin. Obviously, that's not what Mother Nature intended.

It's National Gardening Week (who knew? I didn't.). Swipe for some blooms in the Buckingham Palace garden.

R369 - King Willem-Alexander needs to go to the royal tailor and have his pants properly hemmed. The Queen looks gorgeous.

R369 Oh dear. Poor Princess Amalia is just fat. She has gotten adept at hiding it as much as possible for family photo shoots: lots of layers, lots of hair and conveniently placed younger siblings. But that puberty weight gain is not showing signs of slowing down. She looks like a sweet kid, I hope she gets her weight in control while she is still relatively protected by her parents and the press.

The Queen's cousin, The Duke of Gloucester, phones some volunteers.

The Queen is on the cover of Tatler's British issue.

Today is Lady Helen Taylor's birthday. She is the daughter of the Duke and Duchess of Kent. She was quite the looker in her day. Swipe for photos.

Swipe for a photo of Birkhall on the Balmoral estate. It's where Charles and Camilla are hunkered down.

It's Tiara Time...first up is Denmark. Swipe for the Danish Emerald Parure Tiara.

The Danish Ruby Parure Tiara.

Now on to Belgium...swipe for The Nine Provinces Tiara.

Queen Elisabeth of Belgium's Art Deco Bandeau Tiara.

A Royal, A Guinness and an Aristocrat.

That Danish parure is something - I'll bet Mary salivates every time Daisy wears it, as those shades would go perfectly with Mary's fair yet brunette looks.

And the ones in the tiara look Columbian . . . you know what Aunt Alicia told Gigi when schooling her in the facts of life re jewellery: "only the best emeralds contain that miracle of elusive blue . . ."

Well, Mary didn't do too badly as she was given the ruby parure as hers to wear for life upon her engagement to Frederik.

The photo where she is looking down sideways is the first time she appeared in it, during the crammed week before the wedding, at a big fete at Christiansborg slot. Her dress was beautiful. She looked both calm and seriously nervous entering the hall. You can find the footage on YouTube, which is worth seeing because you only get the glitter from the jewels when you see them moving.

Thank you so very much Tiara Troll. Your efforts are enjoyed by many!

Wow... that getup makes me wish that once, just ONCE, Katie would stop being tasteful and restrained and just slap on ten or twenty pounds of jewels!

Well, maybe when she's queen.

I mean, this getup, Queen Daisy wearing about fifteen visible pieces of priceless jewelry, plus God knows how many tings and bracelets.

Uoph

Love the Nine Provinces Tiara.

The bandeau tiara that Mathilde wore for her wedding, though, is boring.

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Queen Margrethe's sister, Princess Benedikte of Denmark, is 76 years old today. Swipe for photos.

Infanta Sofia of Spain celebrates her 13th birthday.

Camilla has taken up ballet during lockdown.

It's Tiara Time...swipe for the Princess Soraya of Iran's Diamond Tiara. She was one of the most beautiful royal women ever.

Over to Thailand and another great beauty...Queen Sirikit's Thai Tiara.

The Thai Diamond Fringe Tiara.

Swipe for the Ogilvy Tiara worn by Princess Alexandra of Kent.

Kaisere on CB, who I think is beginning to realise from sites like bannedfromcelebitchy that her allowing her site to become a cesspool of irrational hate for Kate, tried to pour some oil on the waters she herself has roiled up, by a piece "looking back at Kate's wedding dress" and saying nice things about it.

One of the CB fraus, however, absolutely outdid herself btl and said that Kate's dress didn't fit well (it was fitted within an inch of its life) and looked cheap and like something you'd find at David's Bridal - a claim so at odds with reality looking at the close fit, the expensive lace, the sumptuous material and detailing, that it is the poster illustration of how out of touch with reality Meghan's CB fraustans are.

Because if anything was poorly fitted and cheap looking and could have come out of David's Bridal - it was that disaster of a wedding gown for Meghan Markle with which Claire Waight Keller probably doomed her career at Givenchy.

And wouldn't you know that Meghan released that little video on . . . the Cambridges' wedding anniversary.

I'm loving the Thai Fringe Tiara and I especially like the way it's being worn in the first photo, like a halo.

What is it with that "fringe" design? The Queen has two, the Kent's have one, I believe the Danish Royal Family or Swedish royal family have one.

Why don't I have one?

R398 - I think the negative comment on Celebitchy was referring to the gown Kate wore to her wedding dance the night of the wedding at the evening reception not the actual bridal gown worn to her wedding. There are two different dresses and the dress that Kate wore to the wedding dance-evening reception the night of the wedding did look sorta cheap and ill-fitting. The cardigan sweater she wore with this "reception" dress did not help matters.

I agree, the Thai Fringe Tiara is stunning.

Captain Tom Moore celebrates his 100th birthday and he received a telegram from the Queen.

R402 - And, HM also promoted him from Captain to Colonel.

Typically British sort of story, Colonel Tom and the Queen.

The King of Sweden is 74 years old today. Swipe for his life in pictures.

It's Tiara Time...swipe for the Lover's Knot Tiara.

Swipe for the 1902 State Landau.

R405 - King Carl Gustaf, like King Juan Carlos of Spain, and King Harald of Norway, played around on his long-suffering wife aplenty. Queen Sonja of Norway at one time was alleged to be considering divorce based upon Harald's ceaseless infidelity, but muddled through.

The Cambridge Lover's Knot Tiara is truly elegant, but much more so without the pearl spikes on top - much better without them.

How enchanting are those photos of Diana in it? How beautiful were her eyes, skin, and hair with the pearls. It looks nice on Kate (who also has the loan of the earrings that Diana always wore with the tiara) but not a patch on how Diana looked in it. Even the Queen didn't look as nice in it as Diana did.

You can see in those Lover's Knot tiara photos how much HM resembles Queen Mary - she has her eyebrows and expression, just not Mary's more blonde colouring.

I adore the Lover's Knot! Most tiaras glitter, but the huge pearls placed in the center make this one glow.

I always wondered if the pearls were fixed or dangled and moved when the wearer moved. Apparently they're fixed, and didn't it suit Diana perfectly! She looked her absolute best in huge sapphires which set off her eyes, but IMHO the pearls suited her fair coloring more than diamonds.

The hanging pearls in the tiara at r409 aren't fixed, but slightly move about.

Today is Lady Sarah Chatto's birthday.

It's Tiara Time...the first one is delicate yet flimsy at the same time. Swipe for more tiaras from Spain.

The Top Five British Royal Wedding Looks.

I like three of the four tiaras Letizia is wearing. The huge one just doesn't suit her, she's too small for it. I love the Art Deco one on her, I think it's the one she wore for her wedding.

Letizia's wedding dress was gorgeous but wrong for her. She's so small-boned and petite, it engulfed her - too much cloth by far, and in mid-May in Madrid I can't imagine how it must have felt. Also, the train had a semi-circular edge, so it curled up on itself as she walked, giving her cardre of young bridesmaids a constant struggle to straighten it out.

R413 - I have to say that Anne's wedding dress remains my favourite of the five shown. It was truly different, the medieval sleeves and pin-tucking were beautifully carried out, it combined simplicity and regality, and the material was sumptuous.

I think the young pageboy is Edward. Who is the flower girl?

Sarah Chatto R416

R417 - Thanks for the ID.

The Brazilian Aquamarine Parure Tiara. It looks big and somewhat fake to me.

The Modern Sapphire Tiara.

Here are a couple of tiaras from Morocco. First up, Lalla Salma's Diamond Tiara. The King divorced this striking redhead for reasons unknown. They had two children.

Sorry wrong photo @R421. Here is the Moroccan tiara.

The Moroccan Meander Tiara. Lalla Salma at her wedding.

I had to look twice at this photo of a young Lady Sarah Chatto. For a split second, I thought it was Princess Charlotte.

R424 - Great eye! Charlotte does look like Sarah Chatto in that photograph.