Drag Race Season XVII: Part Deux

Gigi is miles ahead of the rest of the queens.

Widow using her snatch game idiocy of Tina and Ike to segue into her abusive relationship sob story made me throw up in my mouth a little.

Season 17? Uh, ok.

R3 I was wondering if anyone was going to notice.

I typed VII first and then thought, wait, duh, it’s X. And I added the X and forgot to delete the V and hit post.

Shit happens! There was no thread and so I made one.

Thanks for the new thread OP.

Greetings from the future......

Brita continues her delusional rants. Aiden is gone - bless his heart. "I Googled and read all about her, but I just couldn't bring it....." Hell, just knowing a lot about who you want to portray doesn't mean anything. You have to be in the moment and answer questions - not waste time trying to figure out what "she" might say or do. Gigi was great.

Crystal and her POPPY were cringe worthy as were Brita and Widow. And Widow's Frozen runway was as low rent and unimaginative as anything I've ever seen on the the show.....

Aiden.....as a RHS Patricia Quinn could have been stellar - my guess is that he's never even seen the movie.....

Why the hell was Ru trying to talk some queens into doing people they obviously have never heard of? Shady!!!

Also don't get why some of the queens are so far up Brita's ass telling her how talented she is when she is clearly a big, fucking bore.

Sherry was pretty meh as Hepburn. Don't get the praise.

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Widow dropped that, um...song. Makes me think her time is coming up on the show and she’s capitalizing before it happens.

I’LL MISS YOU AIDEN ZHANE YOU BEAUTIFUL CREATURE

I was so hoping he’d beat Brita and put the final nail in the coffin of her SAD.LAST.DAYS! Alas she was a shit lip syncer and it was her time.

Jonathan Bennet is so pretty and Franzese is disgusting

Just give Gigi Goode the crown already. Jaida is the second best but the show is pushing Jackie Cox for reasons I don’t understand. My husband showed me a video of “What would you do?” and Jackie Cox played a “son” in drag at a cafe and his parents hated him. Husband thought it was so touching and all I could do was laugh at the terrible acting.

And them just deleting Sherry Pie from the show is so stupid but I just have to accept it

Just crown Gigi now.

She won the ball and won the snatch game?

We all know she is going win. Her only real competition is disqualified.

Don't forget the winner is decided by lip sync, so Gigi could be beaten by one of the other queens in the finale.

R11 The winner is decided by Ru and production long before the final lip sync.

With Sherry Pie out of the running, it's safe to say that the winner has been decided already. We know who the final four (three) are.

While Aiden's lip synch was a snore, Brita's was equally as bad. She did that thing where you open your mouth real wide to make it look like you are singing along, but I didn't think she was mouthing the actual words that well.

Brita's "magic" trick with the pyrotechnics was the only thing that saved her in the lip sync.

It would have killed a nun to watch Aiden beat Brita. Too bad.

R12, that wasn’t true when Sasha won. Nobody wanted her to win and nobody thought she would. Most thought Shea would win, with Trinity being the dark horse and Peppermint being the conspiracy winner plus Peppermint was the lipsynch queen of that season. Then the final lipsynch changed all that.

i was waiting for Aiden to say it at the end but nope.

gigi is the winner. sherry would have won though if she wasn't a pest.

Patricia Quinn was not happy with Aiden's Snatch Game portrayal.

[quote]Why the hell was Ru trying to talk some queens into doing people they obviously have never heard of? Shady!!!

At first I thought it was pretty shady, but then thought Ru just wanted them to do someone Ru knew. It's hard to gauge if something's a good impression of someone you don't know. El DeBarge would be accurate, but not funny. But Ru was like WTF is a Poppy? I thought it was a good impression of Poppy, but not a good snatch game character whatsoever.

Aiden deserved to go for being so damn rude to Patricia. The only thing you can say about her is that she's an old woman with dementia? Meh. Sherry's was also very rude to the memory of Hepburn. The squiggle answers was a funny gag, but there was no Hepburn in the character.

annoying.

It blows my mind that Aiden wouldn't just lean into the rocky horror character.

annoying.

I wish Snatch Game were limited to impressions of people who became famous before 1970.

You’d have to be pretty dim to think portraying that Poppy creature on Snatch Game could be entertaining.

how pop e.

I thought Sherry's impression of Hepburn was very insensitive to those who suffer or have relatives with Parkinson's.

I like Jan, too,, but she hasn't done much.....

Jan's boy brows are AWFUL. Why???? He could be a cute guy but those brows are like perma-drag.

R16 it is all predetermined. They look at social media presence and growth over the course of the shows. The shows are edited so you see and think what they want you to about each person. Each cast member has a story arc developed and they show the clips that best fit that character arc. They edit the winners and runners up differently so that people feel a certain way about each character. That is why there is so much writing on the show. The comments you hear as cast members walk the runways are all dubbed later - they actually don't hear any of it. Some of the critique is also dubbed later - again so they can edit the story arcs. If they have made you think it is all spontaneous then that is a sign that they did their jobs well in creating 'reality' tv.

We know. It's not a documentary.

Damn, I would have preferred that the lumbering ox go home before Aiden, but there’s no way Brita lasts much longer.

How many times has he been in the bottom?

It’s too bad that Snatch Game got elevated to must watch but honestly , it’s sucked for the last few years.

Jan has come with a bunch of serious runway looks but they are always first runner-up to whatever Gigi is doing. Also, Gigi looks terrific in her drag, whereas Jan always kind of seems like some basic bitch from Weehawken in a really great Halloween costume. In terms of Jan’s snatch game, as a musical theatre queen she must know that she looks a lot more like Patti than Bernadette - and she couldn’t even do the voice. Bad choice.

Im in 💘 with both jonathan Bennett and Gigi.

Jonathan Bennett has a lovely face and I like his personality. He has kinda grated on me on Instagram during the COVID-19 thing, though. He’s making the best of a bad situation, which I can’t really hold against him, and has created an online COVID-19 series supported by ads. Which is fine. He did one from the bathtub, which I am not opposed to. But he is a little...hyper. Or manic. Or cracked out or something.

But I still like him. He hosts Cupcake Wars and Cookie Wars on the Food Network and Cooking Channel. He’s an attention whore but not a total exhibitionist. He doesn’t have a perfect-gay body (which I like) and his face is starting to sag a bit with age, and I am glad he hasn’t done any freaky surgical shit to himself.

The bright white teeth and Joan Crawford eyebrows are...something.

Welp. That was a random amalgamation of contradictory thoughts, huh?

R11, that’s cute that you think that way. Sorry to burst your bubble, but that finale lip sync with Shea and Sasha was completely rigged. Sasha did not come up with that on her own. It was pre-planned by production, who knew what Shea was going to do. Even the wheel is rigged to stop where they want it to.

At its heart the show has always been a group of old white gay men living their mean girls fantasy. Nine times out of ten a skinny white queen who likes to P&P will win. And this is all determined in advance. Oh, and a fat queen will never win. Sherry Pie made it to top two, but she was not going to beat Gigi.

[Quote]But he is a little...hyper. Or manic. Or cracked out or something.

It's called coke. I'm fairly certain Bennett is a fan of it.

“Oh, and a fat queen will never win.”

Never say never.

Go back to reddit, r36.

Jinxx wasn't fat when she won her season

We haven't had a big girl talented enough to win until Nina West.

What was the point in cutting Sherry's runway but still showing the judges critiques of her runway and snatch game performance?? Either take her entirely out or leave her entirely in, it's confusing and disorientating, whoever is doing this shoddy half-assed editing job needs a swift kick in the nuts.

In terms of the season 9 finale, I would argue that Shea and her “Black Excellence” drag persona was who production obviously wanted to win - and if there was anybody they were trying to ensure didn’t end up with the crown it was Peppermint - RPDR was not going to give that to a MTF contestant, at least not then.

That being said, Sasha (who I don’t think anyone had clocked as a lip-synch prodigy) won that thing hands down. Even without the petals, Sasha built an emotional through line in that performance that Shea didn’t. Shea looked incredible, but it was too contained for a song that was explicitly about being “So Emotional”.

I guess I am the only one, but I liked Sasha throughout the season and I was glad Sasha won.

I honestly don’t understand the hatred, either. After so many seasons of men dressing as women, Sasha presented a focused, one-of-a-king style that is distinctive to the point of being iconic. At least to me. I remember the name Shea Coulée better than I remember what she looks like or what she did. I remember Peppermint’s face and personality but I don’t recall a distinctive style. I remember Trinity well and I thought Trinity was a standout among the contestants...but honestly, I had forgotten Trinity was a finalist until I looked it up just now, because I did remember that there were four finalists that season.

No, I am not Sahsa and I don’t know Sasha and have not followed Sasha after the show. I don’t follow any of them, really; I just enjoy Drag Race. But Sasha in my mind and in my memory was one of the best-realized self-styled drag queens and I thought many of her looks were really “high fashion” looking.

She’s not funny and I don’t think she does the splits/gymnastics, which for reasons beyond me is a requirement for these characters. But definitely one of my favorite winners.

I can't remember if Sasha had to lip-synch before the finale?

No r45. She went the season without needing to lip sync.

And Shea's lip sync against Nina Bonina was weak as hell. That someone could take her out with on a lip sync is hardly surprising.

Sasha is pretentious and humorless, but he's enormously talented. He has a unique creative vision.

I wish Aiden had done Erika from Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. I think she looks a lot like her and that Erika would lend herself well to Aiden’s kind of aloof energy.

My top 3 Snatch Game Performances (no particular order):

Ben de la Creme as Paul Lynde Alaska as Mae West Jinx Monsoon as Little Edie

I don't get how most of these queens are not prepared for this, considering Snatch Game appears during EVERY SEASON! If there is one thing to get ready for, it's Snatch Game!

So glad to see Aiden and his angry incel/family annihilator vibe finally gone. Biggest sin: completely humorless. Maybe he can get some money together to sort out those fucked up earlobes, though that's the least of his problems. I don't get any "queen" feel from him, drag or otherwise. Not an iota of fabulous.

His audition tape must have been astounding for them to have kept him around this long. What were they waiting for though? Michelle seemed to be fond of him. My beloved Coco Peru was rooting for him, which bothers me. Anyway..moving on....

Queens try to prepare but snatch game is hard. Being able to successfully improv comedy as another character in the moment takes a level of skill that only some drag queens can handle. There is never more than a few queens each season that can pull it off.

Even Trixie froze up and wasn't able to deliver in the moment.

Ben was also great as Maggie Smith

Ginger Minge's Adele is still my favorite snatch game contestant.

But it’s all about making the right snatch game choice too, not just being able to improv. Jennifer Holiday is a bad choice because there’s nothing to do with her. She doesn’t have any catchphrases, she’s a one role/one song wonder and unless you’re going to spout Dreamgirls dialogue/lyrics all snatch game, what is there to do with her?

Mae West is a good choice because she has a distinctive voice, look, persona and she plenty of catchphrases to use. Sure, you might need to tweak or improv a few of the phrases in the moment, but it’s nice to come in armed with, “Come up and see me sometime,” and the like.

The housewives/reality stars/you tubers are so boring because there’s nothing to them. (Ru also doesn’t know who half of them are, which puts you a distinct disadvantage right off the bat.)

I think you can also guess what some of Ru’s set up jokes will be. If you’re playing Tina Turner, expect Ru to ask, “So Tina, what DOES love have to do with it?” and have a witty retort prepared. Ru WILL ask this question. Don’t just sit there like a deer in headlights when obvious stuff like that gets asked.

Snatch Game is overblown and its myth is greater than its reality. There are only a few performances that are truly funny and like, 2 of them are Dela.

They all need to do Judy or Liza.

Snatch Game discussions really bore me. I too think that Ginger's Adele and Kennedy Davenport's Little Richard and Alyssa's Joan Crawford were among the best. Not because they sounded exactly like their counterparts - they were just bizarrely hilarious. Shangela did a decent Tina Turner and Sahara Davenport did a great My Love is Your Love era Whitney. She was told she couldn't do cracked out Whitney. Often the ones who most resemble the character do only a so so job. It's boring. Like Chad Michaels as Cher and the one who did Liza?

Of course Bendela and Jinkx did great characterizations. They are both pretty good actors, but they were pretty obscure in their remarks. JInkx I will give a top 3 spot too though. She was quite delightful. I put Alaska's Mae West on par with my grandmothers. It's an easy out. And nobody watching the show knows who the fuck Mae West is. She sounded and looked not much like her. Just stole her best lines.

The real challenge is to do someone current, resemble them, make sure they are worthy of parody and then be able to improvise within that character. It's a tall order. The terminally depressed Pandora Box saying Raspberries, doesn't do it for me.

If female impersonation was hilarious, Jim Bailey and Mario Cantone would have been big stars. Even mid tier drag race contestants are better known. We ain't all over 70 here.

Aiden's wonky eye contact lens was the most hilarious thing about this entire episode.

Tatiana was funny as Britney.

Are we sure Aiden wasn't just impersonating Andy Cohen?

r58 right? Those lens kept on rotating around, making here look like some demented goat.

*lenses*

Pearls Big Ang was good.

r40 True! I am rewatching the Jinx season and was shocked at how thin she was and was doing the splits like it was her second job. I am guessing th extra 100 pounds ended that.

Yes Pearl's Big Ang was a big surprise. I still don't know who big Ange is but I'll always remember her response to the Batman question. Same with Tatianna as Britney. Her responses were not canned lines, she was spontaneously funny and delightful and the responses were in character. Love Butter, a baby in the front seat....

Doing a perfect impression is not to be expected and in itself not that impressive. Capture the spirit of your chosen icon, make sure you can look a bit like them - and give it a bizarre twist. That's the best formula. Sasha Velour did a pretty deadly Marlene Dietrich. As in dead. Where is the WIT in C.U.N.T. ?

Ironically Ms. Zane looks like the RHPS poster. Magenta for the win! Incest jokes, time warp jokes, Bride of Frankenstein hair, Susan Saranwrap dirt, what was it thinking.? She portrayed Ms Quinn as though she had brain damage which wasn’t funny.

I agree with you r66, when she said that she was going to do Ms. Quinn, I thought that Magenta would be so perfect, but then she blew it.

When Widow came down the runway I honestly thought she had snot on her face lol. I'm not sure what those blue glittery splodges are supposed to be. Icicles? Frostbite?

Wouldn't Magenta be a copyrighted character?

I was not a fan of Sasha at all during her season, but she completely won that lip sync in the finale. When she pulled off that wig and the rose petals fell, fucking brilliant.

Didn’t think about it, but you’re right R69.

Ru even mentioned the Mean Girls cupcake dude wouldn’t be able to do his Barney on Snatch Game because it’s a copyrighted character.

[quote]Wouldn't Magenta be a copyrighted character?

Yes, but you can skirt around it, like how Stacy Lynn Matthews' Mo'Nique was really just Precious' mom and Ben Dela's Maggie Smith was The Dowager Countess.

Didn't Brita do an impression of Jennifer Coolidge in her first episode? That would have been a much better choice for Snatch Game. But maybe it was another queen.

It really is perplexing how people think they can skate through without having any jokes or bits.

"it's the one challenge you know is coming and have time to prepare," said every drag queen who was in the top.

Jan's permanently delighted face is starting to creep me out. Apparently if you gaze into Minnie Mouse the abyss gazes back.

Jan’s first mistake was that drag name. I can’t help but associate her with Jan Brady, always playing second fiddle to Marcia.

Her full name is Jan Sport (hence the backpacks), but it's a trademarked name so had to be shortened. Same with Brita (Filter).

Jansport makes sense since Jan has a very strong lesbian vibe. Brita should just change her name so Shrek.

R78 with those teefs, she’s more like the love child of Shrek and Donkey.

Between Jan's cartoon smile, Brita's muppet mouth, Gigi's Jack Kirby face, and Crystal's...everything, it's like the show is filmed in the uncanny valley.

Rumor has it Tranika Rex was cast for this season except they told her to not use Tranika due to the negative connotation - so she announced via instagram she would now be known as T Rex - then they never cast her on RPDR.

[quote]I too think that Ginger's Adele and Kennedy Davenport's Little Richard and Alyssa's Joan Crawford were among the best. Not because they sounded exactly like their counterparts - they were just bizarrely hilarious.

I love Alyssa's Joan Crawford as well—it's Alyssa being a dork while dressed up as Joan Crawford. She's funny without even trying.

Alyssa!!!!

Alyssa is funny simply reading the phone book. Same with Heidi, they just have natural charm combined with quirky personalities that just make you want to laugh. It’s when they try too hard that it becomes dicey, like Heidi with her Leslie Jones. I was disappointed with her in Snatch Game, since she’s probably the funniest queen this season.

Violet as Alyssa was also surprisingly funny. Someone should do Tammie Brown in Snatch Game, that bitch is also hilariously bizarre.

r84 omg yes! TELEPORT US TO MARS TELETUBBIE!

Trinity the Tuck has some good ideas for snatch game characters. He's bored and interacting with fans a lot these days. There's a tough boy bitch. I really like him on social media. He's direct, open, consistent and far from dumb. Jennifer Coolidge and Heidi Klum would be excellent Snatch Game characters....for Trinity. She's good at it.

So Brita is the Queen of New York? Who did she run against in the primary?

Patricia Quinn is STILL dragging Aiden

Preview for this Friday's episode is up.

This will be the week that DL fave (or DL catnip) AOC will be a judge! On the same week that Bernie drops out......

Lady Patricia, if you please.

Do you suppose Aiden once ate in a restaurant that Lady Patricia passed by in her motor car and Aiden counted that as having lunch with her? He probably figured she'd never find out.... HA!

Aiden said in her elimination interviews that she and several of her friends who were Rocky Horror fans got to have lunch with Patricia while she was doing an appearance in Atlanta for something called Dragon Con.

With the virus shutdown of all personal appearances and promotional tours, it's safe to hope we've seen the last of the talentless, dumb and surly Aiden. He would have been a first elimination in season one. What a creep.

R87, Brita won in a pageant she held for herself in her living room in front of a mirror.

r93 The Judges demanded a recount.

Brita only won cause the previous season a truly talented person of color was robbed.

Thanks R93 and R95 that is about what I figured......

That really surprises me R91. I never imagined that Aiden would have any friends.

Anybody know why Ru’s podcast is not available this week or last week? He records them far in advance.

R98, Ru said on the last podcast (from mid-March) that they were in the middle of filming a new season and recording the podcast during a lunch break (He even mentioned that one of the queens was named Jazz). I'd imagine they had to suspend production, hence no new podcasts for a while.

Will Brita finally go home tonight? She is becoming more of a villain this season than Sherry Pie.

[italic]RuPaul's Secret Celebrity Drag Race,[/italic] a four-episode special, premieres 4/24. It's airing between the regular show and [italic]Untucked.[/italic]

That article says All Stars will air in June on Showtime. So it won’t air on Vh1 at all? Will it be on Hulu or something the next day?

R102 RuPaul and Michelle V discussed it on their most recent podcast. They said fans have been vicious and are very angry about All Stars moving to Showtime. They said that Showtime and VH1 are both part of the same company (Viacom CBS), and they made it sound like the decision to move it was a network decision beyond their control. They didn’t explicitly say so but they strongly implied it. Ru said people should calm down because everything is eventually available via streaming platforms and Michelle said she doesn’t get Showtime and will find a way to watch it. They suggested people go to viewing parties at bars...but that was obviously recorded before coronavirus.

Thanks R103. Drag Race spoilers are so difficult to avoid. It’s one of the few shows I actually watch the night of (on a dvr delay). I feel like making me hunt down the eps or waiting until the season is over and it’s all available on Netflix or Hulu will just make me not want to watch it.

I hope they can strike a deal where it’s available the next day on some streaming service. Showtime has a deal with Hulu, so if they put it up there, that would be great.

R104 Michelle plugs Hulu constantly on the podcast, so it’s probably likely if Showtime already does that.

I really enjoyed tonight’s episode.

I did, too. Madonna may have done herself in, but she did create quite a deep pop culture well to mine.

Well! At least AOC reminded us all that drag queens threw the first brick at Stonewall!

It was a a very entertaining musical, they have pulled off a few good ones over the years, and I impressed by the job the cast did.

Ru just does not want to give Jan a damn win, rather give Gigi her fucking third.

R109 Gigi is winning me over. I think she outperformed everyone and was the most Madonnalike. The costume she had helped with that, but her ‘Madonna shuffle’ move was very Madonna. Jan danced really well, though. She is one of my faves.

I adore Heidi.

Heidi is fucking funny - she needs her own web series - from last week's backlash about cutting Scary Pie from the runway looks like they didn't edit much at all this week.

Heidi did not deserve to be in the bottom two. And Jaida deserved to win. Gigi was great, but this should just as easily been Jaida's win. She looked killer too and her Justify My Love was the shit. Not even in the top three? Fuckery.

All black girls in the bottom, all the time. Jan can't dance and she looks like a wrestler. Crystal Method did what? I don't remember. Stop putting Heidi in the bottom. I'm getting mad.

Glad that Brita is gone though.

Jan, Heidi and Gigi steal the show for me. Jaida is good, but she doesn’t make an impression on me. (I actually didn’t even know her name when I read it here just now.) Crystal...they’re pushing her on us hard.

Heidi seems to be the consensus favorite here, at least for congeniality. But I was really impressed with her dancing and how quickly she appeared to pick up the choreography, too. It seems like the producers were blind to what the audience is seeing.

You like Heidi because the producers know they have a goldmine and give her tons of confessionals r114.

I'm just glad Brita is gone.

Heidi is funny and is definitely winning congeniality. She’ll be back for All Stars no doubt.

There is just no other choice for Miss Congeniality this year. Heidi has it locked up.

I'm just worried that her elimination is looming.

What a horrible lip sync. Neither Heidi nor Brita knew how to channel that song. Gigi's True Blue era Madonna was spot on. Jan may be a good singer and she got the early Madonna look and choreography, but it didn't have the scrappy overconfidence and attitude that early Madonna had. I agree that it could have just easily been Jaida winning tonight, but Gigi was next level good(e).

Jaida is gorgeous but she really is getting outshone. Sorry, but her movement to very simple choreography was awkward.

Gigi surprises me with the backward flip. She did great channeling Madonna considering she probably only knows Madonna as the creature she is today.

Brita, the only joy you spread was people celebrating you leaving.

Crystal was hilarious.

Lip synch was horrible and I was afraid they were giving the win to Brita based on the amount of screen time they gave her. Again she was barely singing the words, just opening her mouth as wide as she could to make it seem like she was singing.

[quote]Well! At least AOC reminded us all that drag queens threw the first brick at Stonewall!

Ugh! As if this bullshit needed more idiots to believe it, now we have shrill NY bobblehead AOC telling these mid 20-something gays, who don't know shit, that a mythical and non-existant drag queen (in a crowd of 97% gay men) "threw the first brick", when in fact only bottles and trash were thrown say participants. They were all so stoked to absorb this recently fabricated "gay history" as fed to them by a nutty straight woman who herself is mostly a self-created character. I wanted to scream, but the episode was otherwise so entertaining!

Gigi Goode has never heard of Patti Lupone......Good LORD!

Brita had "I'm getting the heave HO!" written all over her for two weeks.

I'm delighted that phoney MOOSE was sent packing!

Well, at least Britta can go back to being the queen of New York!

Our long national nightmare is now over! Brita has been kicked to the curb.

He is so delusional he doesn't realize how awful he really is. And that over exaggerated loose jawed type of lip synching is as annoying as it is ludicrous.....

Goodbye and no thank you.

Heidi is the new Aiden Zhayne. She gets dumped on by the other queens. Widow and Jaida should befriend her. Widow is to busy muggin and making threats and Jaida is to into herself.

I can't help but wonder what Michelle Visage look Aiden would have worn. 🤣

I thought Gigi and Jan were both excellent......I was leaning toward Jan because I like him so much. But watching the dances again, Gigi really was MORE Madonna-like......

Sorry, Jan.

Jan is the G of this season.

Gigi is winning the title. Can we just give it to her already?

Gigi came off so awkward during the recording and dance sessions. Then BAM!...she does a backhand spring during the performance! Where the hell did that come from? Was that all an act? I’m confused...

Jan is very talented, but her being so far up Brita's ass is off-putting. She's even defending her on Twitter saying people shouldn't criticize Brita over something that happened months ago. Uh, we're seeing it NOW, simpleton.

Have to wonder why Brita was so insistent on playing Cone-Bra Madonna. Really not in her wheelhouse and she did nothing with it. Talk about not knowing your limitations.

Jan in tight jeans in the werk room, definitely the trade of the season. And then in shorty-shorts for the dance rehearsal, confirming he's got the best legs of the queens.

Rock M does Folsom.

BYE BRITA ❤️❤️❤️

Although I will say I hate when a queen gets such a neg edit that it’s a career killer. I bet she’s a fun bar queen. But “OMG AIDEN WAS SO GREAT I LOVED HER” like lol bitch

The only reason to keep watching is to see what amazing things Gigi does every week because how can she NOT win. My god that Papa Don’t Preach Madonna was exquisite. Jan’s bitchface at getting fucked out of a win was hilariously glorious.

And AOC wasn’t annoying yay

Sherry Pie has the same face every week

I also will add that it was PETTY they criticized Brita on the earrings so much like what?

I would have criticized her for those horrible PAJAMA PANTS in her Madonna look

Anyone know if production provided the costumes for the Madonna thing? Because if they brought them with, how did they know they'd get the "part" they wanted?

If they were provided, what are the odds they'd have a come bra outfit in Gigantor size for Brita?

The costumes are provided for them by production. I think the official line is once the roles are decided fittings take place and the costumes are made for them.

How can you tell that's Rock when he's not crying?

R139, I’ll make him cry

The eyes are more important now than ever. Muah!

I was trying to decide on a season to rewatch that isn't 1-7, I've seen each of those multiple times. The later seasons are just so... obvious. Choose for me! Should I re-watch 8, 9, 10 or 11? They all blur together for me, are any of them genuinely entertaining???

R142 I am rewatching 8 and enjoying it a lot. Bob, Chi Chi, Kim Chi and Naomi are all great. Acid Betty and Thorgy are hard to watch, though.

r143 just finished that season - 10 would be good - Eureka the Vixen drama - Aquaria, Cracker, Monet, Monique Heart...

R143, Season 8 might be a good choice. I just re-watched All Stars 3 and I forgot how disappointing Chi Chi's showing was (not to mention Thorgy's Stevie Nicks-gate). Season 8 might alleviate that. Of all the queens to get a debilitating autoimmune disease, why Chi Chi? 😢

R144 I was considering season 10, actually.

I just realized I legitimately cannot remember who won season 9 and had to look it up. I always forget about Sasha Velour.

r145 how can you forget the stunt queen win? She was the first - I remember Willam saying "eventually queens will have to walk out and set themselves on fire to win"

R146 I can't explain it either!

Sasha was on Bob’s recap show recently. She’s pretty fucking dull... but let’s not pretend that rose petal Whitney moment Isn’t iconic.

I wasn’t even a fan of hers but remember screaming “yasss” when it happened. The first “yasss” of my life.

R148 Yeah, that moment was iconic. Aside from that, Sasha wasn't very memorable, IMO.

Bob is one of the worst winners of all time. He's an actor/comic. Not a drag queen. Sasha had done the rose petal number before appearing on Drag Race, just as Bob was famous for his I Dreamed a Dream/I Had a Dream mashup. Ru knows a lot of what some of these girls do in real life. He doesn't let it interfere with who has to win though. Kennedy Davenport has the distinction of being the only contestant that Ru urged all the people watching to go see in person. He said it on the season 7 finale. Kennedy is a hell of a live stage performer. He loves her. But he also apologized to her BEFORE he eliminated her in 4th place = so that Pearl could make the top 3 to please the children at home.

Bob before money. Crazy Eyes, Tyra Banks, Gnarls Barkley mashup.

It's not a great video, but Sasha kills this number. Notice that the back projection is a different performance. She does a lot of that stuff, interacting with herself. Her show is really something beyond the usual. I thought most people knew that. I didn't like her Drag Race win, because she didn't earn it according to the rules of the show. They rigged it for her to win. But she's unique.

R150, yeah, I’ve heard Sasha did the petal thing before but it’s not like the majority of us knew who the fuck she was before the show.

Season 9 was pretty lackluster for me. After the tranny knocked out Trinity with the tired wig-under-a-wig thing in the finale, I was ok with Sasha winning, if for the roses, alone.

The point is that the show is rigged my dude. How did Sasha get "So Emotional" by Whitney Houston in a "random" spin of a wheel and song choice pick out of a box? Exactly the same song with the plastic rose petal trick she had done before in her stage shows for the last year? Doesn't matter if you knew her before or not. They count on the fans of the show being over 60 and under 16. We know you don't get out much. Yasss? Really.

It was even more blatant the way they made sure Aquaria won over Eureka.

Ru will never crown a big queen, let alone a morbidly obese one. Especially over a fashion twink like Aquaria. Ru’s OG shtick was supermodel and that’s still how she presents herself.

That Winnie girl was useless as a judge.

I know Bob is polarizing, especially around here, but I prefer Season 8 to 9 or 10, and probably 11 as well. S8 only had 12 queens, so the season flowed much more smoothly than other years in the same "era". The viewers were battered over the head with the Hammer of Social Justice all throughout S9/S10, and the queens spent so much time in the workroom apologizing over things (or chastising others - "Don't Joke About That") that it got annoying very quickly. And that heavy pink lighting for the runway in S9 - whose decision was that?

Last year's season had too much fuckery with who did/didn't lip sync, who did/didn't win challenges, who went home, who was favored, etc.

Even before what's her name got DQd, it was obvious that Gigi would win. I don't know what she could do at this point to fuck it up. She's funny, she's not an asshole, she's got the body, she's got the look, her mother should get an award for her costumes, she has it all. While I usually root for the underdog, it's hard not to root for her.

Since this was filmed a while ago, obviously all is well. But Ayden's (spelling? Don't care) mirror message as well as the filmed "goodbye" reinforces the vibe that he would love to have taken out the cast and crew after his elimination. And by taken out, I don't mean to Applebees.

[quote]And by taken out, I don't mean to Applebees.

Too bad. He gets an employee discount.

Now that Brita has bitten the dust with those awful teefs - maybe we can concentrate on Widow's awful makeup and busted drag.......

I like Season 9, lots of funny challenges and some great queens like Shea, Trinity, Valentina, and Nina. Peppermints lipsynch were always awesome and even Sasha was good despite her personality.

Where are some GRINDR wiener shots of Jackie Cox?

How does Sherry Pie not end up in the bottom two? Her make up is busted and the same every week (wacky eyelashes!). She shadows from hairline to eyebrows (Evita was scary looking!) I know they want to give her as little time as possible, but what keeps her safe week after week?

Love all the shade Brita was throwing in confessional all ep and then ending up sashaying away....someone pissed of the production crew!

I enjoyed the camera framing Jackie's crotch as she was thrusting during rehearsals.

Shangela was robbed.

They really must have hated Brita to have her so gleeful over GiGi flubbing up at rehearsal and then Brita flubbing up her performance.

GiGi fake flubbed, but I agree that it was satisfying to see Brita preening before her downfall.

R165. The confessionals are taped after taping the episode so it is all the editing that is used to create the story line. They aren't being pulled out for confessionals during taping an episode. You will notice all the confessionals are in the same clothes so that they can use any line anywhere they want.

And delusional Brita gave them plenty to work with

Venus D'Lite, Madge impersonator and bitter first boot from S3, is in a state because she wasn't invited to be part of the Rusical.

[quote]Where are some GRINDR wiener shots of Jackie Cox?

No dick pix yet, but if they turn up they'll be posted to the RPDR Gone Wild subreddit (r/gonewildrpdr).

This is supposedly an old selfie of Aiden (Devin). It doesn't really look like him, but the Reddit Nancy Drews say the bathroom matches old photos from his Facebook page. If it is him, it puts to rest the rumor that he's FTM.

[Quote]If it is him, it puts to rest the rumor that he's FTM.

Does a couple looney posters on the DL count as a real rumor?

R174 That can't be Aiden, he has lips.

I liked Aiden because he was just off the beaten (face) track, but for a queen with zero humor, very little charm, and only a few really cute looks, he did just fine.

Aiden did fine by your pretty narrow confines R177. I think he is one of the worst queens ever. In that fucking wig and personality. Zero lips. He belongs with Kalorie Karbdashian, Penny Tration and Serena Cha Cha. Yes his look was different. With his facial deformities, how would it not be?

You sound really "off" too, r178!

Indeed we should, R162. Now that Aiden is gone, Widow has taken over as the one with the worst looks. She's going to get called out for it very soon if they don't improve.

Widow already pushed out her *ahem* single. Which makes me think she’s out soon. Deservedly so.

She’s a bad energy.

You're ranting about AOC and Gigi not knowing Patti Lupone R179? Plus your many other posts attacking the queens of color. You haunt these threads with multiple posts and a few devices. Obviously you're very "mature." Over 75?

So I ain't off. I on. You can have your pale boy wide hipped lipless fetish R179. That's weird pedo stuff. Aiden ain't going nowhere. Boy couldn't even come up with a personality for Whatcha packin months later. Something is really off there. His lewks and performances were worse than than most all others deemed the FIRST worst over the seasons. He seems like a feral child grown up in the bush with the mouth of a toothless uncle. That appeals to a certain pedo type. One who finds lost fucked up insecure hairless boys attractive. Especially when they're depressed. That's the same as it ever was R179. Aiden is a SHITE drag queen though. Worse than bad. You sound off. That rant about AOC who said two sentences proves that you are off the meds. It's your other most racist posts that define you more clearly here. May Jesus deliver healing to your troubled mind this Holy Day.

Your second paragraph is too dense, R182.

No one is reading that.

[quote]I’m 31, isolated at home and watching random old game shows on Sling.

Yeah, sure you are R183. Try another dee-vice. Ancient white fag creep.

R184 You seem triggered? Vixen?

So glad Brita is gone. Mean, shady bitch.

I think Jan should have won. I didn’t like GIgi’s outfit, it was just some arranged cloths covering her up. Eh.

The Madonna Rusical vs. real life footage of Madonna was well done in this YouTube video.

Madonna: “It feels...reductive.”

Interviewer: “Is that good?”

Madonna: “Look it up.” [sips tea]

Madonna was uncharacteristically generous here. I’m typically very agreeable but if a journalist asked me if ‘reductive’ is good, I’d be like, ‘Does ‘reductive’ sound like a positive word, ya dumb ho?’’

Dense is as dense does.

Hey r182!

Your overheated, pent-up personal attack looks like you've really put a lot of time and creative writing into it. Howzabout you put a few paragraph breaks into it?

tl/dr

[quote]Yeah, sure you are [R183]. Try another dee-vice. Ancient white fag creep.

Is this the person calling out people for being racist? The safe space given to ageism here is nasty bordering on comical. I get it, you're in your mid/late 20s and already bitter and disappointed with what life has given you, but you text really well, and seem to finally have your meth...er, "situation" under some sort of control.

Now try being nice. You'll enjoy it!

AOC said that in her opinion the season 12 Madonna Rusical was the best in the entire show history. Every one is agreeing but I don't think so - the best one for me was Kardashians the Rusical featuring Eureka as North West and Alexis Michelle a Kris Jenner. I will never forget it.

I think the best drag race snatch game was season 1 drag race UK, The Vivienne as Trump and Bagga Chipz as Margaret Thatcher. Amazing, perfect, unforgettable.

I have to say, one thing I love about Drag Race is that it really takes avant-garde and creativity seriously. Other creative-challenge series like Project Runway tend to be strict about contestants adhering to challenges. Drag Race is uneven and inconsistent with its enforcement of such things, and the whole production just seems to operate on instinct for entertainment and creative value instead of "did this meet the requirements?"

The Vivienne's Donald Trump is a prime example. It's a drag show. We've seen people get chewed out before for not being female-impersonator-y enough in challenges. For not padding enough. For wearing pants or suits. And then someone decides to do Donald Trump as himself and pretend that that's a drag queen, and every single person is in on the joke without a single complaint. That's really fucking awesome IMO. A lot of aspects of the show are just so D-U-M-B, but there's a spirit of sophistication imbued in it. You just get it or else you don't.

I believe Kennedy Davenport was the first to break the Snatch Game mold and play a man (Little Richard). Ru was skeptical as hell in the werk room but of course Kennedy slayed it.

R195 Yeah, and Little Richard really was an inspired choice because--WOOOO!--he was sort of a drag queen sort of character, even if he presented as a man. He was over the top, ultra glam, etc. So it made a lot of sense. Not drag, but the spirit was drag.

I mentioned Trump because he had been mentioned above, but also because Trump is not a Little Richard type. He's over the top, but there's nothing 'draggy' about him. And yet it was a really interesting and smart and entertaining and well-done characterization...and even if it's not drag, who the hell cares, because it was so well done?

Someone forgot to tell Jackie Coxxx that she isn't in the Woke Season of Drag Race. Those were season 9 and 10.

Has Robbie Turner been seen or heard from since he lied about his Uber driver dying? It's almost been 2 years!!

Yeah, I'm enjoying Jackie Coxx a lot, but the wokeness is so extra.

With gays in their 20s, this stuff REALLY resonates and builds enormous cred for them. A few younger gay guys I know were having a huge issue with one of their own and I asked what he'd done to be ostracized and my friend answered in a deadly serious voice, "He doesn't respect pronouns!"

My first thought was "these queens have no fucking idea what they missed in the 80s and 90s"....I imagine they would have condemned ACT-UP for all the "triggering" raised voices and "gendered" speech!

Still wanna see Jackie’s crank!

r198 no insta posts since 2018!

I rewatched Season 10 over the weekend and I enjoyed it more than I remembered it. Aquaria annoyed me at the time, but I can't really complain that she won. Eureka is simultaneously less annoying AND more annoying than I remember her being.

r20 love me some Eureka. I think he got the shaft, she should have won. Asia collapsed completely in the final, Kameron was meh and Eureka won that first lip sync against Aquaria. I knew right then when they did a double Shante that they were giving it to Aquaria.

R203 Yeah, it was pretty obvious that Aquaria was going to win. However, I secretly enjoyed the schadenfreude of Eureka losing because of her dumb "The big girl... wins" costume!! I found Kameron Michaels to be creepier this time around. Something about him and his drag just rubs me the wrong way.

Hi Eureka @ r203! I just saw Eureka, girl!

r205 not Eureka - I am Eufreaka

Eureka is very talented. If any BIG girl was going to win, it should have been her. The Aquaria fix was in with the producers that be. Aquaria was pretty great. But even by the finale's own sketchy standards of fixed competition - no way did Aqaria win that lip sync against Eureka. Facts are facts. Raja Jr. is just as problematic a contestant as some others. Not a good look. Aquaria is a cutish boy but nothing new in drag. His Met Gala appearance and response kind of showed just how delusional and immature he is. Eureka has her own problems. But she won that season.

Team Sherrie Pie

She's terrif!

R142 here, so I'm finishing up the final few episodes of Season 10 (I got bored and skipped to the reunion and finale before the final three episodes). I can't help but wonder, does Miz Cracker have some sort of condition? Why is her body so stumpy and oddly proportioned? She was such a "weird" queen.

^rickets

LA is not going to be having gatherings of over 1000 people well into 2021 according to Mayor Garcetti, so what will they do for the finale? A studio one, like the first season?

The can meet in Brita's living room - after all she's the Queen of New York.

After Brita and her enormous teeth, is there room for another person?

r213 Brita rents her mouth out as a studio 1b.

This is wonderfully stupid.

You are right - maybe she will be so busy doing personal appearances and private events and teaching to make it anyway, and they can just use what must be a spectacular apartment.....

Chaka Chaka Khan tonight bitches!!! Legend.

I fucking LOVE HEIDI!!! The Coronavirus has to go away so this bitch can get rich entertaining the children around the world. She's charm in a bottom and hilarious and sweet and cute and so darn smart. Or she gets the hose again....

*charm in a bottle

R207, Drag Race will always avoid giving the win to psych. cases. They learned in Season 2 that once they're tied to a nut they automatically give attention to every stupid move the bad girl does at the expense of the the brand of the show and its subsidiaries.

Eureka is unstable. She is self-regarding, mean-spirited and unable to keep herself from bleating bad shit. I agree she's talented. But she's also a fucking mess. Or are you just too full of fat-girl pity to know this about her?

Sharon got herself into trouble early on, but it was both part of her own schtick and the worst of it was overseas.

The only big girl who they could have given the award to is Latrice, but even she doesn't check all the boxes they want. Aquaria showed her inexperience with the Met Ball and its aftermath. But she still has intelligence, judgment and (usually) discretion.

Eureka has little intelligence, less judgment and no discretion. She likes a train wreck. And that's not what WOW wants.

From recent seasons, the only one whose made Eureka (who DOES have her place in driving the other contestants nuts and keeping the drama level up - but that's not the job of a winner - is Silky. SHE is truly certifiable and her stink is still lingering in on the stage. A hateful, lying, lazy, sloppy mess.

And, no, Eureka's not a physical mess, either. She's just a winner-type.

Sharon Needles is a meth head and always has been. Lots of winners have a level of distortion to their personality. No one was defending Eureka's personality, only her performance. You smell like that ancient white fag who posts as miss warwick? So full of hate toward POC or overweight queens.

Get lost R220.

R221 Sharon was a meth head in her early twenties but from drag race time forward it was mostly coke and alcohol according to promoters and friends. She is definitely an addict and an alcoholic but I hope she hasn't gone back to meth. Most people on meth wouldn't be able to tour and perform. Seems to me she also deals with either depression or bipolar disorder. I think she is completely done with drag but what else does she do to make a living? And she still seems to need / want the fan validation and attention.

Crystal Methyd was a strong second place, but I'm so glad that Heidi was allowed to win a challenge!!! Fix your makeup girl and you could be the best thing of the season. She made 9 thousand dollars last year working at a gas station. What a smart talented, charming funny drag queen. Remember her dancing in episode one? I love her.

The runways was overall great tonite. Beautiful theme and some of them spent some money honey. Goode to see the perfect Gigi look so great but only do ok. She's not perfect, she just looks that way. Jackie Cox is as Iranian as Barbara Eden. He's a middle age Canadian dude who moved to NYC to do drag race. I'm bored with that one. He's proficient and in bed by 10 p.m? A muslim is a muslim, even in gogo boots. He's a dull conservative guy. He realized long after college that Jackie Cox was a bit "naughty" of a drag name. ZZZZzzzzz

Sherry Pie's dress was gorgeous. Jan really did over do everything. But I bet she's brought back this season.

How cute were Brice and the heavy leg one in the mullet wigs? Brice got no ass and Bruno has just enough. A bit low to the ground though. Jason wins all ASS challenges.

Chaka is still drunk all the time but she holds up well. Don't ask her to sing anymore though. She watches the sketch and still doesn't know what a merkin is. They tell her and she still doesn't know what a merkin is. There's a reason Chaka never became a top level star. Her voice was as great as any of them. But she's extremely stupid and a very hard partier who can't be trusted to speak. Work that fan.

Bob partybottom methfreak heart attack Biggest Loser Harper is a director now? Was the "hilarious" Ross Mathews busy that day?

Yay for Heidi N Closet. I love her.

R220 Wasn't Eureka actually "trans" for like a year or two. I'm sure that is reason enough for why Ru wouldn't have let her win.

Regarding tonight's episode. Jaida and Heidi are my favorite queens this season, hands down. Gotta hand it to Jan for trying to make us think she was upset because of Brita and not losing. Jesus, how dumb does she think the audience is? PLEASE.

Widow needs to go. Shes fucked up just about every challenge.

Latrice? no - Ginger Minge should have won.

I need a queen to deliver an Aja vs. Valentina-esque rant about Gigi this season, but I fear that will not happen. Pull through, Heidi!

Yes, I really thought Ginger was going to win her season till the final lipsync. Violet's burlesque lipsync stole the show.

So happy to see Heidi win a main challenge! It was very well deserved. Jaida had to have been a very close second, but unlike a certain someone, she didn't sulk about it on stage.

New York isn't doing so hot this year! 3 of the 6 eliminated queens so far are from NYC, and only two remain (and only one of them is eligible to win).

Gigi should have been in the bottom 3 instead of Sherry.

I also get the sense that Jan might come back. Widow survived this week, but her days are numbered.

Aren't all the current Pit Crew straight, with the exception of Jason?

Oh, and even though it led to her getting eliminated, I appreciated (as a DLer) Jan having a infomercial around the oh-so-infamous "Sure, Jan".

Reminded me of the caftans (and earrings, although those were only implied) runway theme from one of last season's episodes.

[quote]3 of the 6 eliminated queens so far are from NYC, and only two remain (and only one of them is eligible to win).

First Coronavirus, now this. Not sure how NYC is going to cope with Jan being sent home right after Brita. What a rough year for NYC.

Missed opportunity - Jan could have done sooooo much more with sure Jan.

Widow will be about very soon methinks

Oops - meant OUT* not about

I love Heidi, but that win was bs, especially since Ru gave her the product name. Jaida or Crystal should have won.

Producers weren’t going to let front-runner Gigi touch the bottom, because Widow (or any of the remaining queens) would have wiped the floor with her in a lip sync.

Jan unfortunately got the shaft.

[quote]She's charm in a bottom and hilarious and sweet and cute and so darn smart.

[quote]*charm in a bottle

Why not both?

I though Gigi’s video was better than Jan’s. And I’m from New York.

I thought Crystal had the best runway of that night. It was a clever and fully realized look and she played it up well. I don't mind her sticking around a bit longer. Jackie Cox is adorable out of drag, but her drag aesthetic is very pedestrian and forgettable and her make-up always leaves a lot to be desired. I'm surprised she doesn't get read for it by the judges. Also, the Iranian backstory is becoming redundant and she's exhausted that angle, time to move on.

R222, Sharon still performs in LA. I saw her a few months ago at a club in DTLA.

Jan got on my nerves big time all season. I'm glad she's gone. Just a try-hard with middling talent.

Nobody talked about her dumb ass Bernadette Peters schtick on Snatch Game. She did ZERO improv. It was all canned Sondheim lyrics shoe horned in wherever she could.

Bye. Go get some character.

Bob Harper has gone full nelly. Those ankle boots were a mess.

Erm I’m gonna be honest. None of the commercials was legitimately funny. And these things usually aren’t, but there have been some exceptions. I played Detox’s “Heroin” commercial for my late mom years ago without any context and she went from completely confused to laughing hysterically in 15 seconds flat, and then said “play it again, play it again. WHAT WAS THAT?!”

Nothing like that this time.

I like Heidi a lot. Heidi is probably my favorite. I didn’t think her commercial was very funny at all except the “What! I told you it causes hair loss, bitch!” part. I think that’s the only part of any of them that got an actual chuckle out of me.

Gigi just objectively did not do well in this, and I’m glad to see her cheerleaders here aren’t suggesting otherwise. I don’t think Jan was the worst, but I also think Jan definitely lost the lip synch. And I also feel satisfied when someone who does a gymnastic floor routine as a ‘lip sync’ against someone who emotes is sent home.

Alaska's "Red for Filth" was brilliant too. I love it when they can make RuPaul belly-laugh.

[quote]Jackie Cox is adorable out of drag, but her drag aesthetic is very pedestrian and forgettable and her make-up always leaves a lot to be desired.

I can't remember where I read this, but someone commented that Jackie Cox's look reminds them of the men the queens have to make-over when she's in drag. I don't think they're wrong. Category is Butch Queen, first time in drag at a ball!

Jackie Cox needs to fix that fucking beard already. They told her in the first episode. Still, trying to fix your makeup for TV lighting is probably very difficult if you have no experience in that arena, and I doubt they give them an opportunity to see themselves on screen with their makeup or are told by professionals how to fix it. Stage lighting and night drag are totally different from TV lighting.

I liked this rundown in a critical take in the Hollywood Reporter yesterday: “ To merely compete on Drag Race, a contestant needs to have at least a rudimentary grasp of several of the drag arts: makeup, wig styling, padding, tucking and walking in six-inch heels. But to last beyond the first few weeks, competitors need to possess a dizzying array of skills: acting, dancing, lip syncing, interviewing, spokes-modeling, sewing, fashion design, celebrity impersonation and comedy, both improv and stand-up. It also helps to know how to sing, choreograph group dances and be familiar with RuPaul's ancient pop-culture references.“

I work in entertainment at a high level and I would certainly have struggled with something like yesterday’s challenge where not only do you have to write funny material and have an overall concept (already a major difficulty), you then have to costume it, set design it, direct it, and all while being cute, approachable, and looking good while avoiding the pitfalls that editors will undoubtedly look for to make you look more dramatic and awful in the cutting room. It’s A LOT. So, I have quite a bit of sympathy for a lot of these queens. There isn’t any other reality show that has this level of difficulty. At this point, just the price of entry has got to be tens of thousands of dollars. You need to show up with dozens of high end and perfected looks and costumes, gorgeous wigs, shoes, and makeup. There’s no doubt the serious queens have a team helping them, and probably consult comedy writers etc., for things like Snatch Game. I know I would show up with at least an attempt to cover every base when you know you’ve got something like the commercial they did last night coming down the pike.

Former contestants like Trixie and Katya have talked pretty seriously about how difficult the show is and that some people just get overwhelmed and there’s a lot of sympathy among contestants because they’re experiencing the misery of it as well.

Critical take posted below.

Sorry, Jan......I liked him, but he was just TOO MUCH.

Widow's drag is busted....her look last night was the first one that had some class. But she used almost the same makeup that she used on the Frozen runway....just toned down a bit.

And her lip synch was that same old loose jaw bug eyed crap that means nothing.......

Bye, Jan! Widow needs to go next.....her padding and makeup are terrible.

R246 A few reactions:

“...a dizzying array of skills: acting, dancing, lip syncing, interviewing, spokes-modeling, sewing, fashion design, celebrity impersonation and comedy, both improv and stand-up.”

Acting: No, they don’t have to be able to act at all. They’re almost universally terrible, which is the point of most of the acting challenges. But AJ and the Queen proved that none of the contestants is a capable actor.

Dancing: Yes, I am endlessly impressed that they pick up and deliver choreography so well. It makes me think that the reality show “week” on this show is actually a full week and not just the next day as it is on shows like Project Runway.

Lip syncing: Is this really a talent? I would love a whole thread dedicated to this question. I don’t get it AT ALL. It doesn’t seem like a talent. Remembering the lyrics is a skill. I’ll give it that. But on RPDR, the “talent” of lip syncing most often seems to be the skill of doing splits and other gymnastics. Is that what is meant by “lip syncing talent?” I’m asking earnestly. I don’t get it.

Interviewing: Really? Most of the interviews they’ve done on the show have been terrible. A few have been surprisingly good (by comparison to others) but this doesn’t seem to ever forecast the winner.

Spokes-modeling: No comment.

Sewing and designing: Yes, agreed, often very impressive considering that this one skill is the entire basis of several other reality shows and just one mandatory component of this one.

Celebrity impersonation and comedy: Usually mortifyingly bad. Genuinely funny ones are the exception by far, and they don’t always win. Most who are funny have funny personalities but are not comedians.

Improv: Improv is SO HARD. At least for me. And it does seem like one skill that a lot of them are better at than the average person would be because they are good with their sassy-gay personas and throwing shade.

I would not be able to open the library at all unless I could just stand there and say “Fat, old, ugly, NEXT” which granted, some of the queens have done before like Raja. Quick shade and improv requires skill and thought, which is why I’m impressed with Heidi. She’s off the cuff funny.

Heidi cracks me the fuck up and Bob nailed it. She needs to be that Heidi on camera for the judges. When she fires back "it puts the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose" I laughed out loud. Her commercial was the best, I think they just missed the mark on the assignment. They needed to parody goop products, like an Anus Candle, that smells just like my anus!

Yeah, they definitely missed a zillion opportunities with the GOOP parody and went instead for go-to drag jokes like wigs. Zzz.

Sixty bucks for 30 “detoxifying powder” Crystal Light packets. She’s really a world-class scam artist. Does Gwyneth’s family hang with Trump’s?

$653 smock.

I’m so glad Jan is gone. She creeped me out from the beginning. My faves are Heidi, Jackie, and Gigi.

Drag Race just shared this old clip. Even the Drag Race producers are pointing out how poor the recent skits have been by comparison.

r255 that was why Heidi won. Best of the bunch by far. Most believable goop product spoof, and it's fucking Heidi - she could read the phone book and it would still be funny.

Gigi’s little informercial was the only one REMOTELY close to the ridiculousness of Goop. And it’s the only one I chuckled at. Weird to make Gwyneth the foundation of the assignment and then just want them to do the camp stupidity of seasons of yore but whatevs.

DAMN the editors suddenly hate Jan lol

The author of the article at R246 thought Dahlia Sin was top 6 material? Uhh, no.

Jackie is so fake. All of her comments and testimonials feel so thought out and rehearsed. She’s also pretty condescending for someone who has barely risen above safe.

But I get it. She moved two years ago from Dumbfucksville, Iowa to a cement closet in NYC with twelve other people so she’s automatically more talented and deserving than the other queens.

[quote] There isn’t any other reality show that has this level of difficulty.

Hello?

[quote] Jackie is so fake. All of her comments and testimonials feel so thought out and rehearsed.

No, she's just smarter than you, R259.

R260, you mean that cute little show where people wait around an airport?

How precious.

Oh, hello Jackie at R261! How are you enjoying the complete lack of buzz surrounding you? You must feel very flattered that at least someone is talking about you.

For Jan, drag is an avocation, not a calling. It’s about ego, not survival. So no edge.

There is something about Jan that feels like a boy in a dress versus a Drag performer.

I agree with R78 that Jan's drag reads lesbian.

I would love to know how much of Jan’s drag and high-production YouTube videos are paid for by herself and her drag. I live pretty close to where she grew up and rich Italian boys whose parents pay their way are a dime a dozen.

You can come in with all the advantages in the world, but being America’s Next Drag Superstar is not something mommy and daddy can buy for you.

Seems to be working so far for Gigi, R267.

Wow. The twats sure like to make up the crap.

Sharon is a user and has been far over the line with the alcohol and the rest, but she's a lot cleaner now and is functioning fine. She always lived the bar life but a lot of the press is her work to keep her "dangerous" and wicked.

Jan is just too delusional.

Sharon has always been my favorite winner and the queen who first got me into the show. It’s a shame she didn’t live up to her early promise.

Something I’ve realized from watching Drag Race that I never would have known otherwise is that even extremely effeminate gay men, including Jan and Jackie and so many others, are seen as ‘girly’ and there is no way they could ever hide their effeminate mannerisms, movements, expressions, manners of speaking.

But put almost any flamboyant gay man in a dress and makeup and the first impression is almost always, “that’s a dude in a dress!” And not only because they look like men. Jan as a man looks pretty slight and slim, and he certainly would be pigeonholed by homophobes as super gay. Yet he looks like a linebacker and moves like a man in a dress. It’s really interesting to me.

Jan was the Anne Hathaway of contestants. Super thirsty with theater kid vibes and actress-y neuroses. It was off putting.

Maybe the show got a Jackie cause Paige Turner said no?

I’m good with Jam leaving.

Yes, Jan does suffer from that tryhard theater kid thing r273. You run into it a lot.

R273, you nailed it with “Actress-y neuroses”. My boyfriend and I were saying last night that she was like a charmless Valerie Cherish.

Jan's best friend is Brita, which pretty much tells you all you need to know.

R272, watching Jan do her Madonna number last week felt very much like watching a serviceable chorus boy in the National Tour of Kinky Boots whereas Gigi just has a totally female febrility when she performs and that resonated perfectly in the Madonna challenge. I was surprised that so many fans were up in arms about Gigi taking the win.

OTT theater kid/ADD YouTuber is kind of the lifestyle of the majority of Reddit fans of the show R278

Jan fits perfectly into that ethos

Which is weird because Gigi is the youngest

R278 It’s instinctive for many of us to root for the underdog and against a person who seems to easily win everything without much effort.

Honestly, when Ben De La Creme dropped out of All Stars, I kind of liked it. She was winning everything so easily and probably knew there would be a backlash if she swept the entire season without anyone else having a chance. Audiences really hate that. And she really was that much better than everyone else.

GiGi didn't even get the Madonna part she wanted, but made it work for her.

I really like Crystal. I know she’s not as polished as the other girls, but I just like her and her authenticity. I hope she makes it to at least top five.

If Heidi is able to secure a spot in the final four as a “baby queen with her huge charisma making up for a lack of polish” Adore Delano-type, I could easily see loveable Crystal getting Miss Congeniality. I think Gigi, Heidi, Jaida and Jackie (as a replacement for Sherry Pie) could be the final four we are heading towards.

Jan like Brita suffered from overly inflated self esteem. I like her though but never thought she'd make it to the end.

Gigi's Mom will be the winner of season 12.

Yikes!

R286 And she calls herself a singer!

That was like watching Debra Messing play Lucy Ricardo. She mimicked all the moves and said all the words, and the overall effect is just proving that the original is an unparalleled talent.

I think Crystal makes it to Final Four over Jackie.

R283 The final four has already been taped so they can't replace SP with someone else. We know she is in the final 4.

You might want to think that through r289. Since the final four that has already been decided will have Sherry Pie, the actual final four for the finale will have someone that replaces Sherry Pie.

Well I know who isn't in the final four. And I hope that she replaces Sherry Pie.

R290. I see what you are saying - that they don't bring her back if they bring back a final 4. I don't think they will substitute with someone who was eliminated. Who knows what they will do about the final three/four given they can't tape it as usual. It gives them an opportunity to do something different anyways since they can't go to their usual format for the taped finale or live reunion.

Why don’t we start a special spoiler thread so you ladies can hash out who think should be in the final four, shall we?

Yeah, if we could keep these running threads spoiler-free, that would be fantastic.

Especially after Season 9 and All Stars 3, where major spoilers were posted very early on in their respective threads.

Sorry! I thought the info that SP made top 4 was just common knowledge - not really a spoiler.

Drag Race is always to most consistently spoiled show I follow. The people who work/appear on the show like to gossip, because what happens in the season always leaks. Even when I've tried to avoid them I always end up learning something about what is going to happen.

I blame Raven for all the leaks. That bitch can't be trusted. Ha.

Each show begins with a disclaimer that SP “will not appear” in the finale. many read this to mean she was set to be a finalist. It seems to me this language leaves open the possibility that she was eliminated.

R298, since all contestants “appear” in the finale regardless of placing, it also keeps it vague enough to not give anything away.

I don't think what SP did is worth all this drama. She catfished a couple of dudes. MTV has a whole show about it. Who cares.

R286 MY EARS !!!

R300 She did coerce one to take illegal drugs, which is probably a crime. A girl went to jail last year for coercing her boyfriend via text message to kill himself.

I vote for not going in circles rehashing the Sherry Pie situation again. We had successfully moved on.

The way that they’re editing her is stupid. She didn’t give a great first impression of her out-of-drag personality in the first episode. She seemed pretty grating and had a bit of Brita mean streak.

Now they’re only showing her when she’s excelling in the competition and the shit she’s doing is really good. I was laughing my ass off at her doing Michelle visage in the Kitty Girl music video. I even found the beginning of her sketch last night pretty funny.

She’s probably coming across better than she would’ve if they had just left the edit alone.

R272 Why is it 'really interesting' that biological men have male-shaped bodies and faces? Speaking like a girl and being more sensitive doesn't suddenly make you look like a woman, how high are you?

R305 It’s interesting because effeminate gay men are considered by many to embody “girly” or womanly affectations that distinguish them from straight men. What is interesting to me is that when they dress as women, their distinguishing qualities often are how comparatively masculine they are.

To me, it demonstrates how we are different, something other or elsewhere than manly or womanly. Gay behavioral, speech, body language and other qualities aren’t masculine or feminine. They are distinctly gay.

[quote]Jackie Cox is as Iranian as Barbara Eden. He's a middle age Canadian dude who moved to NYC to do drag race. I'm bored with that one. He's proficient and in bed by 10 p.m? A muslim is a muslim, even in gogo boots. He's a dull conservative guy.

What drugs are you ON, Missy?

I've known Jackie through my gym in NYC for some years, so he didn't "move here to do Drag Race", nor is he anywhere near middle-aged! He's in his TWENTIES you freak! He's a lovely guy and I don't think he's "a muslim in gogo boots" as far as anyone but you is concerned!

You sound deranged!

Jackie has been doing drag in New York since 2010.

Pearl was the one who was really bad. She moved to New York like since 6 months before doing Drag Race and was calling herself a New York queen.

Chaka Khan looked Meda Khated.

[Quote]He's in his TWENTIES you freak!

Uhh, is that what his grindr profile says? He is 34.

He actually happens to be the oldest contestant this season.

R310 Older than Widow? I assumed Widow was in his 50s.

Widow is 30

That is a hard 30.

Honestly assumed Widow is way into middle age.

The kids on the net have decided that Gigi and Crystal are dating. They seem to be playing into it so far on their Instagram accounts...I don't think they understand how far the crazed fans can take their 'ships and fan fiction....

R308 Pearl had been doing drag in Chicago with Kim Chi and Trixie for a couple years before moving to NYC. All 3 of them started doing drag in 2012.

I love Pearl. He wasn't right for Drag Race, but then again, it made him a bit of a star and got him out of his old life. What a troubled soul and really creative guy. Talk about Snatch Game - he has a million creative impersonations. In his own way. That's the face of an abused boy you see on Drag Race. Pearl is doing much better now. His confession about being an abused child, an abusive rent boy and a lost drug addict on his youtube channel was a very brave thing. He (sometimes) wants to come back for All Stars. It will never happen though. RuPaul holds a grudge.

Roxanne is his most famous character, but his Vicki transformation is uncanny. Pearl is a beautiful man who loves to get ugly. I'm all for him.

R318 That looks more like the giant Kardashian sister than Vicki G. But Patti Stanger is freakishly accurate.

R317 I could never bring myself to dislike Pearl, as much as other viewers did. Yeah, he ultimately didn't deserve to make it as far as he did on Drag Race, but I thought he was sort of endearing.

Pearl's also a crafty queen now!

I also thought he was endearing. And boring. And gorgeous. And melancholic. And he seemed a little less vapid than a lot of them, but he was also slow and didn’t do well with many challenges. Seemed like he was loaded up on benzos.

I mean Pearl did get top 3 - so not too shitty a showing on drag race.

I think Crystal is surging toward the final four right now. He's the typical laid-back friendly conscientious kid from Springfield, Missouri I met so many of when I went to Mizzou. Brad Pitt was special; he knew how to use those qualities to get ahead. I was in a class with him. He had the spinster teacher wrapped around his little finger.

R324 Well, that's the first and last time anyone will ever compare Crystal with Brad Pitt.

That's my point r316. Pearl was a Chicago queen, but on RPDR she kept going on about being from New York even though she just moved there and wasn't really part of that drag scene. It was weird.

r321, Peal's craft is fucking hideous!

God, how did Nina West make it onto the show?

Nina West was famous for being Nina West. But I prefer me a Mrs. Kasha Davis. Like Ginger Minj, Mrs. Davis just makes me smile. You know that old bitch has been hosting nights for Diana and Whitney and Britney queens his whole life. And he's good at it. Funny, loud and foul. I never got what Nina West was good at? Sometimes small town queens are elevated because they speak out against homophobia, as if that's still a thing.

Saw and know Jackie from the gym? Ever see her naked?

Not sure I want Gigi to win. She has great dresses and she's brought more acting ability and comedy than I might have guessed but she's obviously getting a boost by being young, thin and pretty.

If Heidi ends up beating Gigi in the final that would be delicious.

A Heidi win would be amazing. Oh, and going back to the Goop thing, I agree it was a disappointment. Ru gave us more about Goop in the intro to the challenge than these dull queens did all episode.

GiGi reminds me of Desmond is Amazing, the kid drag queen with a grasping, pushy mother who wishes it was HER.

Gigi's mom seems to be more talented than Desmond's, though, and Gigi is an adult.

Maybe the Goop thing didn't work because they had no idea about any of this. Would a bunch 20 something gays know about Goop? Heidi said he made $9000 last year at a gas station. Is he checking out the Goop website? I have to admit, now that I'm on the dark side of my 40s, I have no clue about some of their references.

Don't see Heidi winning unless she's suddenly able to polish up her drag.

Yes, her drag definitely needs improvement......

NO ONE sees Widow winning this thing.

None of the judges read Heidi for her terrible wig line

R328, Nina West is an inbred pig in a wig. She kind of broke the mystery of why “long rumored queens” don’t show up until later seasons. She did not live up to her hype and every one of those runway looks were completely wrong for her. It was like shoving a milkfed farmhand into a skimpy go-go dress. Her “comedy” was only somewhat effective, but her personality was Jan-lite and overeager to please in a super grating way.

Brita is another one. Years and years of “When is Brita getting on?”. I’m sure casting directors sniffed out that rotten personality while vetting her for season four. But it’s season twelve now and there are only so many polished 21-year-olds they can cast.

R338, you’d be surprised. She’s been deemed the overhyped fave of Reddit all season. Remember when she did that awful Titanic look with the cartoony water drops? There were legitimate comments that said “I JUST don’t see how she’s not going to win this runway.”

You and me know she’s not going to win, but never underestimate the idiocy of our nation’s youth.

R338, you’d be surprised. She’s been deemed the overhyped fave of Reddit all season. Remember when she did that awful Titanic look with the cartoony water drops? There were legitimate comments that said “I JUST don’t see how she’s not going to win this runway.”

You and me know she’s not going to win, but never underestimate the idiocy of our nation’s youth.

r340 Nina is a great performer and she has a sick sense of humor, it didn't covey. I think they wanted her to be the charity queen - which she is but she is also a straight up mother fucking dick pig and can drink like a fish and has a wicked sense of humor. But that no scrubs performance? Holy shit it was bad...not as bad as silky's (I think nina should have been kept but Silky was at an 11 and that show needed it).

People give Silky a lot of shit, but if it weren’t for her and Vangie, that season would’ve sucked even more. I dont know why people still go on about how seven was the worst season when 12 was just the nadir.

Yvie didn’t make it a month into her reign before it went to her head and she pissed off all the fans. And Brooke Lynn Hytes is just a complete bore.

I think the show should be for working queens who are on the come up. What is to be gained by a queen like Britta with a huge following and name recognition to go on a show where she has no control over the final edit and to be picked apart and criticized. Does the booking rate go up that much just by appearing on the show?

Someone like Heidi or Vangie or Silky needs a show like this. Does a Nina West or a Britta?

Brita is the RuPaul of New York.

Are you kidding r345?

Going from being a local bar queen to touring the world is a HUGE difference. Being on drag race is a complete game changer for these people.

And really Brita being a well known staple of NYC is less impressive when you realize it's because all the talent that worked in NYC had already done drag race.

It's easier to shine when people like Bianca and Bob are off touring the world.

[quote]Nina is a great performer and she has a sick sense of humor, it didn't covey. I think they wanted her to be the charity queen - which she is but she is also a straight up mother fucking dick pig and can drink like a fish and has a wicked sense of humor.

Nina has a well-documented foot fetish.

Okay, you've convinced me R347. I just thought Britta was some huge deal that was already a major name. I'd never heard of her, but I'm not that plugged in to the drag community.

[quote]She’s been deemed the overhyped fave of Reddit all season. Remember when she did that awful Titanic look with the cartoony water drops? There were legitimate comments that said “I JUST don’t see how she’s not going to win this runway.”

Holy fuck, seriously? Add that to the ever-growing list of reasons why I avoid the RPDR subreddit. Ugh.

[quote]She kind of broke the mystery of why “long rumored queens” don’t show up until later seasons.

For me, it was Mayhem Miller the year before. Everyone knew who she was, she auditioned for the show year after year without success, but it became obvious very quickly as to why that was. She didn't have that killer instinct that's absolutely necessary to win.

[quote]People give Silky a lot of shit, but if it weren’t for her and Vangie, that season would’ve sucked even more.

I mentioned S11 fuckery in an earlier post. One of the things I noticed halfway through the season was how it became obvious that the producers wanted Silky and Vanjie to stay on the show for as long as possible, since they were both so integral to the vibe, atmosphere and drama of that season's cast. Thus, both avoided the bottom two time and time again.

R345, Bianca went on drag race as an established veteran name in New York and slam-dunked her season and is now the show’s most popular winner.

I love Pearl. Always have.

I'm finding this season to be almost as boring as S11.

The RPDR subreddit makes sense once you realize it's mostly 12-14yo girls and fraus.

Brita should have stayed in NY. Exposing her toxic personality and bundle of insecurities, not to mention her delusions of talent, certainly did her brand no favors.

Well, that's who the show caters to now, R354. That's who makes up the crowds at DragCon.

Then we get comments like R353, while not unjustified, should be a mystery to absolutely no one as to why they're made. No one wants to get raked over the coals on Twitter and get "cancelled", so the end result is that everyone plays it safe (i.e. 'boring') to the cameras. They also don't want to give material that can be manipulated by the producers, because if they try to 'blame it on the editing' later on, they know that they won't be believed by the fan base.

[quote]R340 Nina West is an inbred pig in a wig.

She reminds me of Sloth from The Goonies, specifically.

Crystal Methyd's themed runway looks have been underappreciated all season. I adore Heidi, but I think Crystal deserved to have won this week. Jackie Cox was this week's bridesmaid, a smart, tight performance delivered in everything this episode.

Crystal is my favorite just because he has a more interesting palette than just "hot biological woman." Gigi is great with all the FASHION looks, but I like the quirkiness Crystal brings to stage.

To me this is the most enjoyable season since Season 8.

The two most unpleasant queens -Brita and Aiden-were much less obnoxious than the assholes on season 11.

This group also has more well-rounded pop culture references from something other than You Tube or Instagram. Nobody on season 11 would’ve known about Charo, Barbara Eden or The Rocky Horror Picture Show, for example.

With the exception of Miss Vangie (and I'm not even sure she counts), why doesn't the show cast a token queen from Puerto Rico anymore? I can't remember the last Puerto Rican queen they had, I guess it was Cynthia Lee Fontaine.

If anyone needs to be on an All Stars season, it's Jessica Wild.

Jessica Wild IS on the next All Stars Season R361!! She looks like a man, but once those ears are covered, she was very good in challenges. My favorite Puerto Rican queen will always be Yara Sofia. So sweet, crazy and talented and that body. All natural. Cute boy too.

my favorite PR is Nina Flowers

Nina and Alexis. It’s no contest really.

Brita is quitting social media because of all the hate mail and indirect death threats.

How will New York ever survive?!?!?

[quote] ....indirect death threats.

Dollars to donuts this is hyperbole straight from Brita to keep herself relevant!

What exactly would an "indirect" death threat be?

Apparently someone threatened to shove her off a subway platform because she's "a disgrace to NYC."

Poor Brita - all she wanted to do was bring her magic to the world......

Yeah, not buying this story.

Why doesn't he just call the studio - surely they would send a car out for a big star like him and he wouldn't have to bother with the subway.

Protect Your Light Brita.

R362 is mistaken. Jessica Wild is not on AS5.

We do have, uh, India Ferrah though.

So that’s that...

R369, it’s always the obnoxious bullies who tell people to “be kind”

Jackie explaining how the Murkin needs to magically appear next to her in the middle of a stop/pause frozen position while Bob is on the side looking dumbfounded was hilarious, they should have left that in the final commercial. "So if someone can grab those Murkins and set them on this table... I'll just keep holding... .... .... BRYCE!.. RUN" "Part Cut, Sound Effect Poof!... I'm A Genie." And in Heidi's commercial when she's squeezing out them tears and says "get in there I gotta make money" " I got 33 cents in my bank account" that was comedy gold. I really don't know why the chose to edit out the more funnier stuff?

Guess who Jan's drag mother is? Ok, it makes perfect sense now. Alexis Michelle. Here with Bob, apart at last. You know they all fucked right? Alexis looks good. She was annoying as fuck but like lots of great bar queens she got a bit of a bad rap on Drag Race. He takes himself way too seriously but he pulled off a good L*I*Z*A and he doesn't seem sketchy. And his Navaho print with the turquoise stoned bustier and feather sticking out his good wig was one of the most tragic moments ever on the runway. He knows his Broadway and carbs. So many of the queens seems sketchy. Alexis seems real. Bob looks terrible, like always, but the carona remote system from Washington Heights (hey) works better for the Pit Stop. Bob is forced to wait and listen to guest opinions and responses before her spews his "funny" stuff.

Alexis looks good. Not like a Drag Race winner, but like like one who made some $$$. Glinda. Jan is off off Broadway. And they're both defensive as hell. I think Alexis is a nice Jewish Boy. Bob likes him too. hmm. Good ass? Y'all know Bob is bad sex. They both love Heidi though. Who doesn't??

I don’t mind Alexis. She’s one of the stars of Dragnificent on TLC and she’s doing a good job, albeit a bit charmingly awkward.

Sasha Belle, the filler queen from S7 who "cracked the code" only to be sent home by Katya, has changed her name to Frisbee Jenkins and adopted a '70s-porn-star look out of drag.

Mmmm he makes Mommas mussy wet with poo kisses

Jan with guido brows

Alexis Michelle was INSUFFERABLE on Season 8, but she was almost fun to have around her last couple of episodes just to GROAN at for her relentless virtue signalling and lousy runway looks. She often seemed like a contestant who accidentally found herself on Drag Race without warning, lol. She does look very pulled together now though.

Alexis Michelle got roasted on Willam's Beatdown for this old pre-DR video. Willam called her "Nicole Paige Brooklyn."

[quote]Jan with guido brows

But the same Minnie Mouse face.

R381 They still looked plucked and overly groomed there. Are there any pictures of him with a completely natural brow bush?

I like all the remaining queens but I really love Heidi! Also, Crystal and Jaida. I think Gigi will probably win because of her track record..could be wrong, though.

R382, I don’t remember her virtue signaling. She went on about being called fat in the reading challenge, but that just seemed like a matter of “she can dish it out but not take it.” She was memorable towards the end for awkward things like “I consider it a compliment you all say I should go home.”

The queen of virtue signaling that season was the arrogant, humorless, and self-righteous Sasha Velour who considered herself the white savior there to police everyone’s comments. Probably the worst winner in the show’s history who got lucky with a gimmick at the end and has completely disappeared from the spotlight, thank goodness.

R387 worst winner?!!

Tyra wasn’t a bad winner for the time. She had stunning looks (again, for the time) but a shit personality.

ANYWAY there’s a video of Rock M Sakura at Folsom getting fucked by an open window. He sure makes a lot of ballsy choices for being such an emotional wreck.

R389, the worst part of that whole thing was the Drag Race subreddit and peripherals like Lee Dawson shrieking that it was tantamount to RAPE for people to be releasing video of Rock M. Sakura standing naked in a public street getting his dick sucked.

Please, won’t ANYBODY think of the poor exhibitionists?!?!

Touché, R388. But I’d sooner buy a ticket to see Tyra live than whatever pretentious, navel-gazing shit Sasha puts up.

Oh me too R391. Especially new Tyra that loves bitching about the other queens enslaved to World of Wonder. But the emotional strain was too much for the poor lass.

I’m liking this season a lot more because I am just refusing to touch the RPDR Sub ever again. It’s maddening and the fandom is crazy. It’s not like the old days when we’d chat about it on SurvivorSucks or (*shudder*) TWOP. Back then (S1/S2) you actually had to want to watch a show about drag queens because the gay scene was so different about them. Reddit is a SJW pit.

I can't even go to survivorsucks anymore, that is the worst platform on the internet (yuku)

I totally agree R387!! Alexis was a hoot. So neurotic, but not untalented. Attractive as a man or woman. Corny, but warm and unintentionally funny too. A little too much like real gay men for people to like him.

Sasha and Yvie Oddley are the worst winners to me. And I won't discuss them further.

Tyra Sanchez totally deserved her win. Watch Season 2 Again. I love Jujubee, but she never won a single challenge. Raven, well you know. You can't crown that toxic hatred. Tyra was fabulous back when Drag Race was looking for the next RuPaul. Bitch hot glued plastic lace to her body. And he was a great old school glam performer in a 20 year old homeless guy package. Tyra exemplifies what the original show was all about. I wish he'd won a hundred THOUSAND Dollahs!!! Might have kept him out of trouble.

Dragnificent is fun, though on both this and it's earlier pilot episode Drag Me Down the Aisle one of the straights has asked the queens not to show up in drag to their wedding because it's in a church or their family is conservative. It's frustrating watching the queens having to pander to that bullshit so some straight girl can have her cake and eat it too.

The best episode has been the one at the high school reunion - the stakes are much lower than a wedding so it's all good fun

R393, the Survivor subreddit is an absolute cesspool as well. Obnoxious posters with shit taste in contestants.

Looking at both of those subs, I’m actually embarrassed to like the same show as these fools.

It’s funny you say that, R395. I completely turned off to the girls when they said that. The first girl even had the gall to say they might not be invited to the wedding, even out of drag, because her dad was conservative.

Here’s what: you invite the drag queens to your wedding or you don’t get the makeover. Pretty shitty to do to the people turning your piece of crap Jersey wedding into something memorable and making it so you don’t go down the runway looking like a battery with cloth wrapped around you.

The reunion lady was cool and I really respected how she let the queens come to her church in drag and didn’t bat an eyelash over it. She treated the queens like people and not accessories to make herself look interesting, like Pudge and Battery did on the pilot and episode one.

I've been re-watching season 7 and I forgot how weird and dreadful it was. One has to wonder what they were thinking when this season was planned. A bunch of look queens doing acting and comedy challenges? UGH. The fuck?

I still find Pearl endearing (I agree with your assessment R322!!) and I really don't know why. I forgot how, uhhh, subdued Trixie was on the show. I really disliked Violet Chachki when this aired the first time around, but I don't mind her so much now. It's hard to be annoyed with her winning the show, compared to queens like Yvie Oddly and Sasha Velour. She has more CUNT than both of them.

It's also funny to notice how much the judging standards have changed. The judges would have read Mrs. Kasha Davis' money dress for the green runway to FILTH and sent her to the bottom if she wore that on Season 12, but they nary said a word about it!

I still find it strange that people still shit on season seven they way they do. Yeah, I wasn’t particularly fond of it at the time either. But 8, 10, and especially 11 were absolutely dreadful.

Mrs. Kasha Davis was pretty cringy, but at least her and Tempest had their own unique, eldurghey take. Most of the contestants Now are just copies of copies. It was clear that the head had eaten the tail of the snake when we got Sugar Cain last year, the most engineered and unoriginal queen in Drag Race history.

[quote]Looking at both of those subs, I’m actually embarrassed to like the same show as these fools.

I first realized that when I started going to Television Without Pity. Miss Alli was a rancid cunt and most of the users on the boards sucked on her crusted asshole for some reason.

Top Four:

Gigi Goode

Jaida Essence Hall

Crystal Methyd

Sherry Pie

Where are the Jackie nudes

What I want to know is will they give Sherry's top 4 slot to another queen or will they make it a top 3?

If that's an actual spoiler, fuck you r401. Blocked.

Nice video R389 - Rock M is cute......

r398 totally agree on the judging standards. Max came out in the grey look twice before Michelle read her to filth, Aiden had that same kooky look the entire time, same bad walk, same bad padding and same make up look every time and Michelle said nothing.

Max had a strange and ultimately sad trajectory on and after the show. At one point in S7 she was considered a front runner and was even more popular online than Trixie and Katya. Then she bombed Snatch Game and was edited to look like she was having a meltdown on the runway. (Production had allegedly grown to hate her because she was constantly running behind and she self-edited her behavior to the point that her on-camera personality was totally fake.)

After she went home, she let her weirdo furry boyfriend manage her and took his advice not to do any tours, produce any online content, or sell any merchandise for a year so that World of Wonder wouldn't get their cut. (RuPaul tried to warn her on Twitter that she was shooting herself in the foot.) Then, when she was no longer relevant, the boyfriend called her a "failed project" and left her. Today she pops up on social media every now and then to make the occasional self-pitying post lamenting her lack of success.

Max's fake accent in the confessionals was grating. Bitch, you're from Wisconsin!

Max using his normal voice

R403, that’s what I’m hoping. That they bring back 5th or 6th place. Maybe 5th can lipsynch against 6th to see which ones returns.

Bring back Heidi!!! She's doesn't make top four. And she is loved. Give Gigi the damn crown if they must have another perfect fashion queen winner - but give Heidi her chance to show everything she can do in the finale. This will trend on Twitter once the final four are "publicly" known. For once a black queen is pretty much universally loved by every youtuber and reviewer and viewer. HEIDI. Jaida makes the final four of course. Along with the others mentioned above. Let Heidi have Sherry Pie's place. Then give the crown to Gigi. Who cares? Ru might just be ready to intervene. Gigi is pretty faultless.....but she can't win a lip synch against our girl Heidi. Not legitimately.

Rock M Sakura is a whore. Wow. Hot!

R411. They always keep some of the well liked girls for All Stars. You only see winners once so their choice of winners is often driven by who has a lot of social media support but isn't necessarily someone people want to see again on their screen. by having someone not win - they can bring fan favs back repeatedly.

Alright, guess the thread is dead now. Thanks, spoiler dicks.

[Quote] Give Gigi the damn crown if they must have another perfect fashion queen winner

[Bold] Then they need to give the crown to her mother. She's doing most of the work.

This guy has done some good interviews with some of the past queens from the show. Worth a listen if you have time (they are pretty long).

Love Joseph Shepherd's interviews. Plus, he's cute AF.

I fucked Joseph Shepherd off the coast of the Atlantic one summer in his ass.

was it a happy ending?

I am rewatching season five and I just adore Jinkx. He was so kind and supportive and selfless in the episode with the gay veteran, when he was paired with someone whose leg muscles had atrophied from AIDS. This is the kind of thing that made me love this show, plus the creativity.

Tonight's episode is just 90 minutes including - I assume Untucked - so they could only make Jaida and Gigi and The Widda interesting for 60 minutes......good thing Heidi is still around.

R(421) untucked is on after the celebrity one ( 11 pm on Fios here)

Those videos of Rock M make me like him more...a LOT more

Heidi is going to be as well-loved as Vanjie is. & rightly so.

R389, I'm surprised he didn't start crying at the end.

Thanks R422 I just checked again....you are 100% correct.....90 minute episode as usual followed by 90 minute episode of Celebrity Drag and THEN Untucked.....that's a LONG night....

Agree r423. He is a cooler guy than I would have thought from the show.

R399 Oh, I didn't mean to shit on season 7. I think it's still the *weirdest* season of Drag Race. Now that it's been 5 years since season 7, I think it's clear to see that season 7 was a transition year for the show. It makes sense more now, in retrospect. From the new format of Untucked, Ross/Carson on the judging panel, etc. Again, it gets a ton of shit from having so many look queens who were unsuited towards the non-stop team acting challenges. And for sure, queens like Tempest and Mrs. Kasha Davis are so much more creative than someone like Suga Cain, but I think they would have done better on any season prior to season 7.

The top 4 weren't happy with each other, either, and there was a lot of negativity. As I'm re-watching the season, there's a lot of... divergence between how the queens came off on the show vs. Untucked. On the show I think Ginger Minj is quite likeable, but I can't stand her in Untucked. The whole thing with Max was a fucking mess. Anyway, I think it's the strangest season of RPDR.

The show was just BETTER when it wasn't on VH1.

Ridiculous. This season is better than season 4 or 6. There I said it. Fantastic queens, challenges performances and runways. Season 12 is LIT.

How much money do the writers on this show make? "It is like the thorns of a rose folding in itself." What? Who writes Ru's lines?

[quote]On the show I think Ginger Minj is quite likeable, but I can't stand her in Untucked.

Darienne Lake from S6 got a lot of shit for being bitchy and bitter, but Ginger came off way worse. Really two-faced and jealous of the younger, prettier queens.

I know who one of these ‘celebrities’ is.

DL unfave Nico Tortorella is insufferable from the word go.

When do the celebrities show up? (Jesus Christ this Nico creature is insufferable)

What is Nico?

I really like the Riverdale guy and the comedian.

[quote]DL unfave Nico Tortorella is insufferable from the word go.

Ru and the queens aren't really here for they either

Jaida was hilarious. You can't fake that with editing. She WON that damn challenge. People here like Season 4 so much but Sharon and Chad and Phi Phi and Willam don't add up to much. Latrice did those great Aretha and Gladys Knight lip syncs, but she wasn't exactly excelling in other ways.

They also had a political debate. It was the other election year. And they were all stupid and terrible. I was embarrassed at how dumb they were about politics or spontaneous humor.

This weeks similar debate was MUCH better. The workroom talk was anti TRUMP. And Jackie Cox should give MORE of a fuck for how Muslim men are treated in her home country instead of crying all the time about being a Canadian who is pained by Trump's immigration ban. He's a phoney bitch. He WAS great in the kitty cat challenge though and Gigi should have been in the bottom again this week. Her debate performance was worse than the Canadian angle of Jackie and Gigi did nothing original or kitty or witty in the cat challenge. Is she a costume designer or a competitor? Widow had to go, so they put Jackie in the bottom two. Obviously.

Raven looked great and was funny!?! RuPaul touched him a few times - with his hands. They have obviously gotten close since Raven learned how to do Ru's makeup. Took two seasons.

Heidi was delightful again. In the top. Good girl. I LOVE her.

* Jackie Cox should give MORE of a fuck for how GAY Muslim men are treated in her home country...

Canada? He was born in fucking Halifax.

Don't look now R441 but Halifax is in Canada. And it's beautiful place too. There's no immigration ban or much stigma there. Against anyone.

Look over there............!!

I always fast-forward thru the "serious mirror conversations." They grind the show to a halt.

R442 Okay, I didn't write that post properly. I was responding to, R440's comment "Jackie Cox should give MORE of a fuck for how GAY Muslim men are treated in her home country," obviously NOT referring to Jackie's "home country" of Canada.

Why wasn’t Nico’s wife there to visit?

Nico’s friends are exactly what you expect.

I’m very happy with the celebrity winner!

Why did they put the celebrity episode between the regular and untucked? Broke the continuity of the regular episode.

R448 Because people stop watching when untucked airs and they wanted to catch people’s attention with the celeb version before people turned off VH1 for another week.

So that you watch it while you wait for Untucked.

God - Nico is tiresome. Why doesn’t he just get a huge tattoo that says PAY ATTENTION TO ME I’M WOKE

Except that I wrote both R439, r440 and R442!! Jackie Cox is from Iran. She's made enough deal of it. But she's a Canadian citizen who cries over Trump's immigration ban, instead of speaking up about the murder and persecution of gay men in Muslim countries. He's a fake and a fraud. Lives in NYC on a green card. Your comment about Halifax had nothing to do with anything R441. He wasn't born in Halifax. He's a poor immigrant. To Canada. But he plays up the US immigration angle for sympathy. He isn't a US immigrant. Leave it alone. You've either had too much to drink R444 or you're just looking to start trouble. Don't fuck with me. Some us know Jackie Cox. He's playing cheap tricks. Including his political fashion statements of how women are treated in Muslim countries. Fine. We know. But he's a FAG. Why not talk about how fags are treated in IRAN? Because he's known no hardship as a gay man. He's from the lucky and beautiful country of Canada, where all his rights are protected. He works in NYC to get on Drag Race and for a larger audience. I think his shtick is offensive to men and women of Muslim heritage who are persecuted for being gay or female. But he's playing up Trump's ban, which was obviously going on at the time when they taped this. It's a very cheap trick. He's not the first persecuted guy to appear on Drag Race. Except he's never been persecuted. It's his act. Halifax is a great place to grow up. He's a Canadian. On a green card to work as a DRAG QUEEN in NYC!!! He stands for nothing but himself, though I suspect he is self loathing. Notice that he does keep his body covered as a "woman." He feeds into stigma, he fights nothing. Americans are too dumb to notice. He's smart to remain a Canadian citizen.

Where was Michelle Visage? Some BBC thing?

Michelle was gettin her tits oiled

Michelle was absent because of some Big Black Cock thing? I hope it was worth it!

The optics of an Iranian queen in a hijab dancing around and lip syncing “Boom! Boom! Boom!” to the song “Firework” were a little...awkward.

Straight people on Twitter are coming hard for Jeff Goldblum for daring to mention that gay people are executed in Muslim countries like Iran, where Jackie‘s family is from.

They only like gay people when they’re saying YASS and WERK. But if you dare to mention that homosexuality is punishable by death in Sharia Law, you are silenced by the Twitter mob and treated as a problematic villain.

It’s quite despicable really.

I really hate Jeff Goldblum's elderly hipster shtick, but the kids seem to eat it up.

Jackie is really starting to venture into Sasha Velouresque type of wokeness. I just can't. Wasn't the muslim ban in 2017? Were now in 2020.

And she just glossed over the fact that gay people are executed in those muslim countries. Specially from where her family comes from .

RuPaul thought Manila's Kotex Pad dress was misogynistic, but Jackie as hijabi is just fine?

Is the celebrity one worth watching?

No, R459. She said she had “misgivings” about the way gay people are treated in the Middle East. It was cowardly babble.

I know I will be crucified for this sentiment, but as a non-religious person whose mother’s family were Irish Catholic and whose father’s family are southern baptist and methodist, I think it’s absolutely hypocritical for Americans as a society to condemn all Muslim people because of Islamic teachings.

There’s a fine line that separates these religions. Judaism and Christianity emanated from the Middle East.

My grandmother married her best friend around 1940, and she later found out he was gay. They tried to annul the marriage and the church forbade it because they said they don’t recognize homosexuality. So they had to get divorced, and my grandmother was told not to come back to her church, which had been integral to her entire life up to that point. She married my alcoholic grandfather who sometimes assaulted her while drunk, and her ex husband died from alcoholism. He was not thrown from a roof, but their lives were destroyed because of Catholic bigotry.

My father had an uncle whom everyone assumed to be gay. He died young. He was found dead, gang raped and beaten, and people protested his funeral. Everyone assumed that he had been beaten to death by marines from a nearby marine base. I grew up hearing from my father that his family saw this as a tragic event, but primarily a shameful one for the family that they will not discuss, and the same is that his uncle was gay, not what was done to him. My father has a gay cousin, and his entire life his family has “prayed for him.”

I am not defending Middle Eastern culture in any way, and yes, laws in the United States are *better* than laws there. But culturally, people here are still persecuted and even killed because they are LGBT. Matthew Shepard was beaten and left to die of exposure and then a Christian church protested at the teen’s funeral with signs that read “God hates fags.” Many of the contestants of earlier seasons of Drag Race had harrowing stories of being rejected by their families, being homeless, turning tricks.

Even with 99.99% accurate HIV tests, the FDA prohibits gay men from donating blood even during extreme blood shortages.

Christians in the United States and to a lesser extent United States laws are as hateful at their roots as Islam-based cultures are. They are more overt about it and more repressive, yes, but they are neither more over nor more repressive than this country was 50 years ago.

Everything about Aaron Schock is a product of the American brand of hating gay people. He overcompensates physically, he is a literal whore, and he clearly hates himself and his sexuality and has deep psychological problems stemming from his sexuality because of his Christian upbringing and his Midwestern culture.

It’s correct to condemn Middle Eastern laws and cultural norms with respect to women and LGBT people, but to be holier-than-thou about it is fallacious and hypocritical.

R461 I liked it a lot! Calling them celebrities is generous, and the one “non-binary“ one was really irritating, but the two straight guys’ stories were actually very moving and you could really see how the drag thing was a growth experience for them. It was also just fun to watch. To be sure, all of them did it for TV exposure, but the “non-binary” one was there for attention under a false guise of political advancement, while the two straight guys had other motivations that I completely bought. And the episode made me a fan of those two.

R463 Catch up. All religions are shit.

R463, it’s not holier-than-thou to address the seriousness of this subject as it relates to Islam. Liberals support both gay people and Muslims. And the way that many of them seem to reconcile this is by completely ignoring the violence against gays caused by Sharia Law.

Yes, all religions have had a problematic history regarding homosexuality. And while the examples you cited are indeed tragic, there’s been a great deal of progress since then in the US. Gay people are still being executed to this day in Muslim countries like Iran.

The hardships they are going through are far more serious than “Aaron Schock was a closet case”

Yes, R463. That's the problem. Nobody is defending any religion for their history regarding homosexuality, that is what is going over the heads of the perpetually outraged. The problem is that we are openly allowed to speak about every other religion critically with these discussions..yet, any time somebody brings up the problem about LGBT in Muslim countries there is a huge backlash. Nobody is saying all Christians, Muslims etc are homophobic, but we know this happens and we should be able to address it just as freely as we can speak about the rotten paedophile priest problem they had in the Catholic church.

On another note, I loved Jackie's lip-sync.

R467 In my opinion, the complication that no one articulates or accepts is that human beings are enmeshed in these religious cultures, and it’s not easy to excise the people from the cultures and the religions they are based on.

In this specific instance, Jackie was born into a family that came from the Middle East and which still has ties to it. He is gay and he is out and he dresses as a woman as his job, and by all evidence, his family has not rejected him for it. His mother’s sister still lives in the Middle East and would like to visit and be with her ill sister, according to Jackie. All of this is believable and relatable and human from what I see.

Jackie’s family immigrated from a culture where Islam is both the religion and the basis of government and culture. The hijab is an easily recognizable aspect of that culture and from a Western (Judeo-Christian) standpoint, it is one that is very easy to point the finger at.

My personal feeling is that, while I reject the hateful dogma and laws attributed to the Islamic faith, I likewise reject the hateful dogma and laws attributed to the Catholic church and US evangelical christendom. I reject them totally. But I have to live in a culture where Christianity—and a specific type of hate-based Christianity at that—is part of the culture. I can’t condemn all people who were acculturated in these environments. And so why should I choose to do that to people from the Middle East?

I know SO MANY Catholics who I cannot understand. They are good people overall, liberal overall and loving, and yet they all are programmed in the same way to shake their heads sadly every time new stories about priests raping children come out, even as they give their money to the Catholic church. I have challenged people about this hypocrisy, and they all deflect. I have a coworker friend who resents the Catholic church—she says—for enabling and covering up these abuses. She still goes to church every week. She told me proudly that she left a former church after many years because it preached that homosexuality is an unforgivable sin. Why did she go there for years? She liked the priest generally; it was just the antigay stuff she didn’t like, and her kids finally told her they won’t go to that church anymore. She sent both her kids to Catholic school, and she was worried the whole time that her son could be molested. But, she told me, she was proud that she always told her son if he ever is molested by a priest to tell her immediately. She felt that that advice made him vigilant and protected him. I asked many times why the fuck any parent would put their kid at any risk at all of being molested or raped by anyone. She always laughed nervously and said she was raised as a Catholic and believes in Jesuit education and wouldn’t raise her kids any other way.

It baffles me. It makes me angry, to be honest. But I live in this country and I have no choice but to accept that religious cultures are pervasive and their abuses create complex, complicated and irrational psychological fragmentation, denial and nonsensical coping mechanisms.

If I accept Catholics who tolerate abuses—and as evil as they can be, they are WAY less evil than baptist and evangelical Christian ways—then expecting Muslim people to completely sever all religion-based culture seems entirely hypocritical to me. I am not Christian, Jewish or Muslim. I do think it’s (typically) hypocritical for American people to tolerate Christianity-based hatred and expect all people who come from the Middle East to cleanly sever themselves from all Islam-based aspects of their culture and integrate with all the fuckeduppedness of America’s Christian-based ways.

I totally agree with you, R468 and I think you make a lot of valid points. I am not criticising anyone for what they believe and everyone has a right to religious belief, or not. It's a choice. Nobody should be made to sever all ties with their culture. We can adapt but still retain who we are. I know this, my parents are immigrants (and religious) have never lost their cultural identities or beliefs. My whole point was the hypocrisy of the woke who say what we can and cannot discuss, and I think it is a problem. Yes, if it's just one religion people are attacking, then you are totally right. And you do get people like Tommy Robinson who seems to only have a problem with Islam and no other religion. It's obviously an agenda with him and he couldn't really care less about women or gay people. But again, not every critic is like that. The problem is that many people (particularly the twitter mob) aren't really engaging in dialogue without people making assumptions about what others are thinking, they are quick to assume everything is bigoted. I know that if a lot of my family back home would totally be against me if they knew about my sexuality , luckily I have a very supportive mother and sister. Jackie is lucky to have a supportive mother and I think it's wonderful when you consider where they are from, as you say.

The whole Catholic church abuse thing really is upsetting and I think it's just been dealt with very badly. And definitely swept under the carpet by a lot of people and I've seen alot of shaking heads , like you say you experienced.

Goodbye, Widow!!! Yore busted drag is over - and your loose-jawed, eye-popping, jazz hands lip synching style for EVERY song is finished as well.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out. The blame for your failure is entirely on you - you can't act, dance, sing or be funny....enjoy Missouri....

And what does your name mean anyway? Widow Von Du......I guess now it's Widow Von Don't! HAHAHA.

[quote]Widow Von Du......I guess now it's Widow Von Don't! HAHAHA.

Oh hon, I wouldn't criticize other people for not being funny.

In other news - I agree with the above posters.....The Celebrity version was okay. I liked Jordan and Jermaine.......Nico not so much.

The part that made me laugh out loud a LOT were the mentors comments during the Quick Drag.....

According to Wiki - my favorite Alyssa Edwards is going to show up as a mentor....so I will be watching again.

Jordan was a tall drink of water. I wouldn’t mind seeing him unclad.

The world would be such a better place if we stopped judging entire groups by the actions of a few in that group.

I'm really enjoying this season. Heidi is my personal favorite and I really hope she makes it to top 3. The lip sync last night was interesting because Widow resorted to that typical over the top shit while the camera stayed on Fabulous Jackie the whole time. As for the Celebrity edition......where were the celebrities? I was expecting Patrick Stewart and Jimmy Fallon not some dull comic and two other Z list celebs.

Jermaine's Kevina Hart was hilarious on Snatch Game......Nico's Lucy was even worse than Deb Messing's.....Jordan's Chrissy T was funny, too.

Someone helpfully collected the numbers to show drag race alum are bigger celebrities than the "celebrities" themselves.

But okay, if you could only get d-list celebs that would be game for this silliness, why do the guessing game bit at the beginning where the drag race alum guess real celebrities only to reveal they are minor celebs. That's a weird production choice.

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[quote]The part that made me laugh out loud a LOT were the mentors comments during the Quick Drag.....

Yeah, if you are a drag race fan just seeing the alums back having a blast is worth it And I did like how much the contestants were game.

Jermaine(?) killed that Snatch Game (though bombed on the lip sync), and Jeremy(?) was having a blast during the lip sync and it was fun to see.

Nico....was Nico.

[quote]The part that made me laugh out loud a LOT were the mentors comments during the Quick Drag.....

Yeah, if you are a drag race fan just seeing the alums back having a blast is worth it And I did like how much the contestants were game.

Jermaine(?) killed that Snatch Game (though bombed on the lip sync), and Jeremy(?) was having a blast during the lip sync and it was fun to see.

Nico....was Nico.

Charity winner Trixie still annoys the fuck out of me.

Glad that Widow is gone. She was well past her expiration date. Did not get the praise for her runway look - it was a basic dress she had taped some stars onto.

The celebrity edition was fun, despite the presence of Bob. Nico was so "woke" and try-hard" that "they" were exhausting after a few minutes.

lol yaaaas Jeff Goldblum went there and ever so gently called Jackie a dumb cunt for being “so stunning, so brave” toward a culture that despises gays, women (and Jews).

Like stop your crying and fuck off back to CANADA. You’re not a refugee from the motherland itself. Your mom came during the fall of the Shah. Sorry Iran is a theocratic state and sucks now. 🤷🏼‍♂️

Gigi always looks flawless. So perfect.

Thank god Widow is gone cuz it’s her time but Jackie’s lip sync was worse.

And not to dwell on it too much, but responding to the comparison to Catholicism to Islam, there is no comparison. Catholics can be disgusted by the abuses but look toward the many charitable and cultural contributions of the church: education, healthcare, and charity for starters.

There’s a reason many charities have foundations in Christianity and hospitals are named after the Saints... most importantly they are open to ALL. Catholic schools will enroll non-Catholics and not force conversion. Islam does not have this foundation of good works at their core to anyone who is not Muslim.

So really comparing them is dumb. But not as dumb as Jackie whining that Trump is (not) affecting her Canadian family. Get your aunt a Canadian green card, dumbass.

Gigi's Mom save her from a LS this week as usual.

Nico has gained a little weight and I...like it

Nico was definitely the third most appealing celebrity drag queen.

Add Nico's insistence to not tuck to their long list of insufferablisms from last night. There was no mention on whether the other two did or not, but Nico in their endless quest for attention had to make a big deal out of them not doing it.

Nico is why I hate us.

Widow not accepting her elimination and taking her sweet time to sashay away got to the point of being awkward and uncomfortable. I don't know how she could be surprised that her time was up, she was clearly the weakest among the remaining girls. R482 is right, how she wasn't read for that runway look, let alone praised, is a mystery - it was indeed just a plain black and white dress with some stars stuck on it. There are lots of creative ways to have an Americana look with a BLM twist.

OTOH, Jaida's look... wow! It looked like something a Miss USA would wear as a national costume at Miss Universe.

Gigi needs to step her pussy up because she's clearly coasting at this point. I'm surprised Ru didn't tell her that she's "resting on pretty" like she usually does once a season.

Oh Nico. Loving how he's getting roasted here. He truly is neck-deep into the Cult of Non-Binary. How come his queer wife Bethany didn't show up to support him? Hell, if he had to bring his friends, his new BFF and DL legend Alok Vaid-Menon should have been among them. Who knows what Alok would have worn for the appearance.

The comedian not putting any effort into his lip sync was a disappointment.

Gigi is anything but COASTING lol.

She’s gonna come back in force for the makeover next week. Right up her alley rather than two very unfunny challenges.

Like others Widow believes her own hype.

[quote]Hell, if he had to bring his friends, his new BFF and DL legend Alok Vaid-Menon should have been among them. Who knows what Alok would have worn for the appearance.

I have a hard time believing RuPaul would allow Alok within 1000 feet of the production studio.

[Quote] Gigi's mother is anything but COASTING lol.

There, fixed it for you.

Where was Michelle Visage for this week's episode?

The comedian was the clear winner until the lip sync. He was adorable, cute and funny. His late mom was Lesbian and he was a powerful example of a straight gay black man who is comfortable with everything. I wouldn't say he didn't put effort into the lip sync, she just couldn't move like a woman or dance at all. He was game - it was his to lose at that point. You can't teach someone how to sing and dance. I thought he was sexy as fuck. In everyday. The dress was a bit much for his small frame though.

Trixie does shit makeup, what a surprise. Bob can't even look like a joke of a woman in drag. He's not even Medea level.

The comedian obviously didn’t know all the words and was not feeling the lip sync performance. Which is fine. I found him totally endearing and it legitimately moved me to see him and his girlfriend react to seeing his mother’s face in his.

Who the hell is Nico? Why does everyone here know who he is? Has he done something significant? Last night is the first time I ever saw him and I did find him quite grating.

[quote]Who the hell is Nico? Why does everyone here know who he is?

Because he's been the subject of many threads here on DL. Every time he has a brain fart, someone needs to create a new thread about it. Here's an example from earlier today:

[quote]Who the hell is Nico? Why does everyone here know who he is?

Because he's been the subject of many threads here on DL. Every time he has a brain fart, someone needs to create a new thread about it. Here's an example from earlier today:

R496 for some reason I don't understand, makeup wasn't done by the mentors. Shannel, Mayhem & Laila McQueen were in charge of that. Makes sense in a way because Bob & Monet are terrible, but Trixie is not. So who knows.

R496 I think it makes sense for all of them. Trixie can do her own face and putting her face on others but she isn't good at make-up otherwise. A lot of shows hire make-up artists and hair / clothing people behind the scenes. Likely the on air hosts were doing costume changes themselves or soundbites and can't take the hour it would take to make-up a face. They probably also didn't want people judging their lack of make-up skills or focusing on bad make-up jobs.

[Quote]The comedian obviously didn’t know all the words and was not feeling the lip sync performance. Which is fine.

It's not "fine" r497. Lip syncing is the bread and butter of being a drag queen and I was sad to see he didn't give that part of it a real effort.

Who knows though, maybe he just panicked and forgot what he was supposed to do.

I find it pretty fucked up that they brought in other less popular drag race alums to do the make up and didn't acknowledge them in any way r500. They should have gotten credit and some screen time, any normal audience member is going to think Trixie, Bob and Monet did their make up.

R503. I have no idea if their contracts included screentime. They may have felt it would take a long time to explain so that film was cut. The audience also doesn't see all the costumes makers / sewers that Drag Race has on staff who do a ton of work on the outfits they were in challenges / runways. They show the queens working on them in the workroom and then suddenly a beautifully fitted finished product on the runway...they get a lot of help. I get that since it was alum, It would have been nice to give them screentime. Drag race has used other alum (Raven, Delta) for makeup and hair and they don't give them screen time either. I think they just figure - better to give background work to their own when they can. Anyways it sounds like Shannel, Laila and Mayhem do all the make-up for all the episodes of the celebrity drag race so maybe they will be seen in a future episode.

Shannel is upset she wasn't in the episode.

But it makes so much sense she did the make up. Nico's beat was fantastic and I was shocked Monet pulled that off.

Shannel is upset she wasn't in the episode.

But it makes so much sense she did the make up. Nico's beat was fantastic and I was shocked Monet pulled that off.

It is kinda shady towards Monet lol.

[quote]Drag race has used other alum (Raven, Delta) for makeup and hair and they don't give them screen time either. I think they just figure - better to give background work to their own when they can.

Raven is Emmy nominated for her work as a makeup artist on Drag Race. He's been doing Ru's makeup for 4 seasons now. (To his credit, Raven criticised Ru Paul's treatment of Mathu Andersen.) We witnessed their comradery this week. Delta Work won an Emmy Award for his work on Drag Race, Whether RuPaul acknowledges them or not.

The show is a bit tacky that way, but on the other hand, a bit slick too. Ru has never mentioned his own Emmy's on Drag Race and they try not to make too much of a deal of even the most famous returning queens. It's not good taste, hell no. They're just suspending the vibe that these bitches in wigs aren't all millionaires.

Jackie is a fucking moron. Jeff Goldblum was right on point, and so sweet.

Gigi bores the fuck out of me.

As usual, I really want to fuck Heidi, the sweet kid. He is like a funny ChiCHi.

I want to fuck Heidi too R509! Unlike Chi Chi, I believe that Heidi is capable of consent.

Widow fell into a common trap. When you are called the best in the places you know, and it is reinforced time and time again, you are going to walk into a new situation with greater competition and discover you are not the best after all. Widow was not expecting the challenge which confronted her on Drag Race. No one was saying she was the best. She couldn't adjust. At least she grew to know it herself. She will be much more cognizant and successful in the future because of it.

Nico was absolutely positive he was going to win the moment he walked into the workroom. It was going to be a breeze. It was fun to watch him discover he didn't have it in the bag, especially when he wasn't declared the winner. He had a telltale face. He was shocked. I enjoyed that.

Jackie sobbing in the workroom then again in front of the judges was just painful to watch it was almost as bad as Rock M's desperate attempt to garner sympathy. And the story about her mother being terribly ill and kept apart from her family in Iran because of Trump's ban didn't seem quite genuine to me.

[quote]Shannel is upset

I'm shocked. Shocked!

R513 Sob stories have kept people in the competition longer in the past so i think pulling out the tears is a tactic to try and sway favour. It rarely seems genuine on the show.

No, R512! RuPaul HATES trans and non-binary girls and that’s the only reason I didn’t win!!!!

Widow brought such a toxic energy to the past few episodes. I was so sick of her defeatist sulking. If she gave it a fair shot and stopped moping, she would’ve beat Jackie, who no one gives a shit about.

^ true. But these "weeks" that we see are only two tiring and deprived days apart for the contestants. It's a non stop a deprived existence. Widow full out won the first challenge when it was A lip sync for the WIN. It's a tough gig. Widow wasn't good this week and she deserved to go. I hated Jackie Cox's runway message and manipulation. BUTT - Jackie already won her place with the Eartha Kitt litter box challenge. She really was great there. Fully covered, like the observant Muslim woman she is. Funny characterization. Watch it again. She's a clever writer.

But the line "what do I know - I sleep where I pee" was still the best. Who said that?

[quote]Jackie sobbing in the workroom then again in front of the judges was just painful to watch it was almost as bad as Rock M's desperate attempt to garner sympathy. And the story about her mother being terribly ill and kept apart from her family in Iran because of Trump's ban didn't seem quite genuine to me.

r513, I fastforward/watch the show. Doesn't Jackie's family live in Canada? Why would the ban in the US have any impact on their travel?

R519 Jackie mentioned that her mom became an American citizen at some point during the episode. Jackie's backstory is confusing.

Jackie is going for the “I don’t have any genuine talent or star appeal so I’ll settle for being a perpetual victim” angle that Rock M. was trying hard for at the beginning of the season.

I read her mother is a US citizen. She must have lived in the US long enough to get citizenship before moving to Canada where Jackie was born. Jackie grew up in Canada but at some point her mother moved back to the US? Not sure of exact facts.

Jackie saw how being a Canadian worked for that ugly ballet boy who came in second last year. Jackie works in NYC on a green card. That's a mutual (usually) given access to work on both sides of the border. The old rule was that you must return home at least once every six months. Not too much of a hardship. And given the way things are with lunatic Trump - she's lucky to have one. Canada is only allowing essential workers, aka truckers to pass the border now. Get back Jackie. Jackie is Canadian, from Halifax and B.C. I'm sure he has family back home. Has he cried about that yet? I bet they're cheering his hijab realness too. Oy. fuck. Jackie had some cool sixties drag near the beginning of the season and he's a 35 year old actor of some wit. But go home. As Tracey Ullman would say - Go HOME. To Canada fool. They have 42,000 Carona cases and 2,500 deaths. Go home you fraud. Canada lets the RCMP wear Hijabs. You're not persecuted and you're not a woman. Iran murders GAY MEN and imprisons and tortures the rest. Your trick is cheap and visa versa. I find that bitch offensive. But I bet the dumb american teens eat him up. Y'all aren't at Roscoe's tonight though are ya? The queens this year have no villain. They're pretty likeable. But don't push it with another whirling stars and stripes hijab. Made me sick it did. You were a great Eartha Kitty though.

Heidi should win ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLAHS!!!

R523 Perfectly stated.

r523, GREAT! Thank you for saying that!

Canadians haven’t had a good track record on Drag Race. They lack a certain urgency and edge, and tend to rest on their laurels. Maybe because the culture is more even keeled. Jackie and Crystal from UK had nothing that set them apart from the rest and were complete bores. Yeah, Brooke made it to the final two on 11, but they were grading on a curve and being second on 11 is the same is being 6th out on any other season.

I agree with everything you said except for one thing, R523. Her Eartha Kitt had the weird distinction of being phoned in and trying too hard at the same time. There’s just zero star quality there.

Holy shit! Do any of you follow Delta Work on Instagram? Wow! She's the greatest! She says the smartest shit. So interesting to hear what she has to say about every topic. Not kidding.

Delta is very smart and a great storyteller, R528. The interviews with her on Hey Qween were some of the best the show has done. She has a lot of insight and you can see she struggles with the direction that Drag Race and drag has gone in general.

Go to bed Delta. No one cares about you!

Pearl is such a weirdo. Love her. She does some scary/funny character drag and is an excellent makeup artist.

Pearl transforms into Patty Stanger

Does Jackie even speak Farsi?

The troll who is obsessed with Jackie being Muslim is ruining this thread. GO AWAY and shut up.

[quote]But the line "what do I know - I sleep where I pee" was still the best. Who said that?

That was Crystal Methyd, the first one. Hers was hysterical.

I think I'll go back to R389 and watch Rock M getting fucked again.....that's always entertaining.

No mention of Rachel Bloom? Crazy Ex Girlfriend is amazing and she looked great. A good judge.

They were both great as debate moderators.

I’ve never laughed as much as I have watching the celebrity Snatch Game and the debate with the girls.

Really funny stuff.

1. There should be a separate thread for celebrity drag race. It has too much oxygen here.

2. Where was Michelle Visage this week?

R539 I read that she was doing a contractually obligated promo event for Strictly Dancing

[quote]1. There should be a separate thread for celebrity drag race.

look and you shall find

R541, gross Day-vid. I just wanted one where that convo can go.

R540, thx. She’s pretty absent anymore on RPDR. But it’s weird is she’s not there.

R539, hopefully it was just the one episode. She has good critiques, but as we all know, everyone is replaceable.

I miss Merle

Merle was a much better judge of everything than Michelle could be. Michelle travels the world with these bitches but she there is no standard to judge by. Merle had real fashion expertise and good taste on her side. Thoughtfulness. But the Michelle and Ru camaraderie can't be beat. They've been together for 60 years. I don't like Carson at all and can barely tolerate Ross. But it all works in its way. None of them are very bright or insightful. But they know the game they're playing. Ru gets fed some good lines through his earpiece and sometimes he gives a fuck about the actual contestants. So every now and then they get something right. But I much preferred Merle and Santino as judges. And Billy B. Not as personalities, but they were far better judges.

*damn. Michelle travels the world with these bitches but she uses no standard to judge them by. She's completely arbitrary. The woman is pretty basic and not too bright. And the public decides who they like anyway. Michelle's taste and reasoning is fucking questionable. She's an amusing sidekick. But she's less astute than Paula Abdul.

I agree with your post aside from one thing R545. I hated Billy B. As a DLer, I’m all for bitchiness. But he took it one step forward. There was something really toxic and downright nasty about his critiques to the queens. You’re supposed to help them continue forward in the competition, not destroy their self esteem completely.

I like Michael Kors, not Michael Kors twelve cocktails later, which was how he acted.

Who is Michael Kors?

He was the very bitchy gay judge on the first few seasons of Project Runway. He also has an internationally successful fashion company.

Michael Kors rightfully asked the worst contestant where exactly his Barbie was going? It's a good question. Billy B could be mean too, but he is a world renowned makeup artist who was never as cutting as Michelle Visage who knows nothing about applying makeup but can't keep her big mouth shut about it.

Merle, Billy B and Santino were all better judges on Drag Race than the gay clowns and the fag hag we tolerate so well now. It's a formula that works. For RuPaul. He hates to be outshone. He's in no danger with the current group.

Ross is funny sometimes, but I find his fangurling really cloying. Especially when it’s shitty queens who don’t deserve it like Naomi Smalls. I think Carson seems like a nice guy, but if he disappeared from the show tomorrow, I don’t think anyone would notice.

[quote]lol yaaaas Jeff Goldblum went there and ever so gently called Jackie a dumb cunt for being “so stunning, so brave” toward a culture that despises gays, women (and Jews).

Insanity, huh? The skin-deep Millennial brand of wokeness is like single-ply toilet paper, it doesn't hold up well. Younger gays like Jackie are trained by their witless peers to throw huge hissy fits, and take bold stands about things they can barely understand without a second level of thought. Remember how freakout-level impressed they were with a see-through manqué like AOC? That's the level at which all of their "advocacy" exist! You think Trinity Taylor would be crying every week about immigration and fucking Muslims? No way! She's an entertainer!

That being said Gigi well deserved to be in the bottom two. Gigi's drag is shallow and exists outside of most gay pop culture or really the world broadly. It lacks depth. She stank. Widow isn't as bad as Brita, but it was the same unfounded hubris which brought her down. When she was on her game she had some fun moments overall.

I missed Jan this week, she had some great looks and fun shit! Jaida deserved her first win.

[quote]Nico is why I hate us.

You can't hate Nico! He's non-binary!!!!!!!

Oh, hun, you're not non-binary, you're just a BIG GURLEEN! And chunky too!

....and could tuck with a band aid!

Next season, I want them to continue the Dahlia Sin cameos. Just see how long they can keep it going.

They are really trying to make Dahlia a thing. It just isn’t that clever or funny.

It's Drag Race, dear.

R556, they’re trying to double dip on the Vangie phenomenon of a quirky first out. The difference is that Vanjie is charming and her exit was an authentic moment.

Dahlia is just wearing a costume that was made for her for a scene, and she has about as much charisma as a toddler’s funeral.

556 here. R558 that is exactly right. You put it much better than I did. How will they insert her in the next episode?!?

Textbook BPD case Rock M. Publicsuck has been crying on Twitter that because of the forced Dahlia broccoli meme, he’s the queen who has been on the least number of episodes this season.

WAHH!!!!!!

First episode of HBO's [italic]We're Here[/italic]

Oh, Santino.

I didn’t care for it, R561. It’s basically the same show as Dragnificent, which premiered last week as well. Out of the two, Dragnificent is better because at least it’s honest about the trashy popcorn fluff it is.

We’re Here tried too hard to come across as Very Important TV and leaned heavily on the social message. The problem is that the message of the show has been made a thousand times before and it doesn’t offer anything new about it.

Bob was on Celebrity Drag Race this week — the THIRD show that premiered in the last seven days about drag queens making people over — and his appearance on that show was way more funny and entertaining than We’re Here.

So how many drag shows are currently airing, then?

—Drag Race season 127

—Drag Race: “Celebrit-ish” Edition

—We’re Here

—Dragnificent

Is that it?

And don’t they all star people who are known to us through Drag Race? If so, then RuPaul is a fucking genius who really tore open a whole new genre of mainstream entertainment.

Was Courtney Act actually a finalist-finalist on Australian Idol? Or just among the top 40 like the host says (but then he says she was brought back as a wildcard). If she made it to the top two or three, then Australia is really lacking in talented vocalists.

God I can't stand him. He's so repulsive. Him and Ben dela creme are two queens I despise I can't watch either of the seasons they were on because they annoy me that much.

R565 the format for the first season was a little weird. He auditioned as Shane and did not get past auditions as they said his voice was weak. They then did a bit where he came back as Courtney Act and the judges said they would put him through to the top 40 for the the added entertainment / performance aspect.

They chose 10 from the top 40 to go direct to the live finals: Courtney didn't make the cut

They also chose ten wildcards from the other 30 performers to perform live with the top two going through to the live finals to form the top 12. They chose Courtney as one of the ten wildcards so she sang live but she wasn't one of the top 2 chosen to form the top 12 that did the live finals.

Good, R567, because she’s not a very good singer.

I was under the impression from Drag Race that she was the Kelly Clarkson of Australian Idol.

You never know when it’s Australia, R568. I’ve got to be honest, whenever I see clips of the top performers on the international versions of those shows, I’m very let down. Same thing with Drag Race UK.

I don’t know why the US is usually the gold standard when it comes to entertainment. Maybe it’s a cultural thing. Having it driven into your head to be the best and destroy the competition. Makes for some shitty but talented performers.

Bob the Drag Queen following Silky's makeup tutorial gave me a laugh. It turned out just as poorly as you'd expect.

Courtney is delusional.

And has a voice like a dingo eating a baby.

R569 The US has a population of 330 million. Australia’s is 25 million. So the talent pool is bound to be much richer.

I saw a TV talent show in Ireland last year, with half the contestants singing in English and half in Irish, and it was incredible...akin to watching a high school talent competition. But it was also charming in a way. Ireland’s population is 4.8 million, roughly 66 times smaller than the US in terms of human beings.

R569 I thought Drag Race UK was much better than any of the recent US seasons

Courtney and Andrew sure milked their flirty friendship.

It definitely had its moments, R573. But those lip syncs were shockingly bad.

R573 I liked the UK season. I am not as condemning as a lot of people here, though. I recall that when the season began, a lot of DLers said that the UK version was too low budget, that all the good queens in the UK didn’t audition because they wanted to see if it would work and didn’t want to be lost in season one like people from season one of the US version were, etc., etc.

So basically, just like almost every regular season of Drag Race, the people of the DL proclaimed it to be a disaster and an embarrassment and a failure from the get go, and then later ranked it among the best ever.

R375 Don't Drag Queens in the UK not lipsync as frequently? Isn't that the excuse Charlie Hides gave, at least?

I know this is WAAAY of topic (But someone did bring up DRAG UK). Why are the contestants not allowed to win cash prizes on Drag R UK?

The BBC does not accept sponsorship by commercial bodies like other channels would so they can't give out big prizes. I felt bad for the contestants maybe they should move it to ITV lol

Thanks, R579.

I have never thought Courtney had a good voice either. She also seems to try and sing in a much higher key than her natural voice would be. I guess that is to sound more like a woman but it sounds forced and fake. In this video he at times sings in a lower register and you can tell he can stay on key better when he sings lower (although he still gets blown out of the water by the other guy's voice!)

I certainly don't see why Ru couldn't have at least donated $10,000 of his salary to the winner of UK drag Race. It's all publicity for him, so what's the loss?

It does seem a bit odd given that Sky TV has a “Landscape Artist of the Year” and “Portrait Artist of the Year” competition show that pays a cash commission to the winner for an original work of art.

R582 Because it's not a charity!

I enjoyed DRUK precisely because it had the rough edges reminiscent of the early US seasons.

It also was only an hour long.

I liked UK. But I’m not that picky. I’ve enjoyed most seasons to greater and lesser degrees. The first All Stars season was abysmal and not worth watching in my memory. The season with Sharon Needles and Sharon herself are among my least favorite and I don’t get why people find her so revolutionary and fantastic, but there is no accounting for taste. We all have favorites and least favorites.

It’s a fun show. It’s dumb, a good way to turn off one’s brain and pass time. I really can’t believe sometimes how seriously people here take the competition and every element of it.

I will say that for me the show’s strength really is its messiness in all respects. I liked the unpolished first few seasons. I like the stupid skits and ridiculous challenges. I like the “messy queens” who are just being themselves. I like that the outfits are hot glued and the acting is poor. Of all the show’s elements, the perfected choreographed dance routines are always my least favorite and they seem to have taken over the series, and that bums me out. I kind of liked Aquaria and I kind of like Gigi, but the one thing that makes me not want them to win is that they’re too polished. This show has done a glorious job of giving me an appetite for imperfection.

I agree that the over reliance on choreographed challenges is killing the show, R587. Maybe it’s because I’m uncoordinated, but it’s a skill that not everyone has, and being able to recreate the exact dance moves of someone like Todrick Hall is not a barometer of drag success.

If Sharon and Alaska competed now, they would be sent home halfway through the competition for that. Yet Aquaria can nail all the moves, but most people would rather eat glass than watch a live drag show with her at the mic.

They finally understood that having a sewing challenge first sends home talented competitors (I.e. Vanjie) who can’t stitch a hem and retired that challenge. Now it’s time to cut down on the choreo challenges.

[quote]It’s a fun show. It’s dumb, a good way to turn off one’s brain and pass time. I really can’t believe sometimes how seriously people here take the competition and every element of it.

It was conceived as a silly sendup/mashup of ANTM and Project Runway, but it took on a seriousness of its own over time.

Are you guys following the lukewarm drama of the day? One the next episode, the queens are making over all female super fans of the show. So some gay comedian posted a photo of the line of all six bio ladies and said “The fandom sure has changed a lot.” So a Twitter hoard of entitled Straight Women With Boyfriends — sorry, “Queer” Women ... they thought a girl was pretty once — swarmed him with these psychotic posts about how he was a misogynist, defending their right to do their own shitty brand of bio queen webcam drag, and DEMANDING representation on the show. The guy quickly deleted the tweet, and obviously got #Canceled4Life but they’re still buzzing in circles over it.

So naturally, pander queen extraordinaire Aquaria decided to jump in with some breathless outrage about how the EVIL “cis gay men” have such a seething, burning hatred for the hallowed “Queer” Women With Boyfriends and stated her boundaries that she will NOT tolerate ANY questioning of her statement.

Now they’re all saying AQUARIA FOR PRESIDENT!!!!

That's pretty weak tea Jakeonce aka R590. Let's not get silly. Enjoy this content instead. Do you know that Jason Carter is 45 years old?

Pulse, pulse and thrust. So dumb and cute.

I haven't followed what Yvie has been up to since her win, but I came across this picture of her from a meet and greet and... I am astounded. It gave me a good chuckle. I take back criticizing Sasha Velour's drag, at least she puts in an effort!!!

That’s her trademark camp director going through dialysis look, R592. It’s iconic.

WOW Presents is live-streaming Digital DragCon this weekend on YouTube.

I like Janet. She seems cool. Like the kind of chick you’d meet in a gay bar in 2003.

R595 Janet Weiss?

R595 Janet Weiss?

If Heidi or Jaida don't win this season, I am gonna shoot up my TV. This quarantine is getting to me. I love the Dragcon fraus. All of them. But especially Sherry Pie's giant and Crystal Methyd's cool girl. This show is fucking fun.

When Heidi's expression softened when her big bold woman talked about being made fun of - it was the most genuine thing. She's special, that Heidi Aphrodite. Ru is delighted by her obviously. Didn't help Chi Chi or Kennedy Davenport win, but I really want Heidi to come out of this with more than Miss Congeniality. I realize the chances are slim. But all the reviewers love her too. She could pull off a Jinkx type win. Too much talent and charm to be denied. Plus Heidi can DANCE.

That said, that sassy chick with Jaida doing the spits and giving off the dark beauty is about to win this thing for her. Jaida is a polished bitch, but like Trinity Taylor - she's an all round winner. Good at everything and great at a few things. I don't want no Gigi or CrstyalTinaMethHead winning this show. Heidi or Jaida ONLY. Give a TALENTED black bitch the CROWN RuPaul.

Cheers.

Who will tonight’s “celebs” going to be?

I’m guessing Simon Rex, Giada De Laurentiis’s daughter Jade and the guy who wore the shark costume during Katy Perry’s Superbowl concert.

I meant the sassy chick with Jackie Cox. She's the bomb. They're gonna win tonight.

But Jaida and Heidi better win this damn show FINALE.