DL, You Really Have to Watch the New Netflix Documentary Series ‘Tiger King’ PART DEUX

I encourage everyone to read that Twitter thread. It is by the guy who did the podcast.

Lots of interesting tidbits. Like how likely your house was to burn down if you crossed Joe.

Yes they left an awful lot out of that doco, wonder why they left Joe's guilt ambiguous when it's quite clear he deserves to be in jail?

I read Carole's statement on her web page and it seems reasonable to me.

Original thread.

I'm embarrassed to admit that I kept thinking this thread was called "Do You Really Have to Watch..."

This is an interesting article written by the guy who did the podcast. Lots of background.

So the nerdy libertarian Wallmart dude is openly gay. That's actually a twist, not the bisexual men they insist on calling straight.

They are probably mostly straight

I think Joe should be in jail for his treatment of animals. All of them should be really. It's disgusting how they sell and euthanize the animals.

Carole is disgusting for making money off donations and keeping the animals in those tiny cages- the very cages she's trying to free them from.

[quote] They are probably mostly straight

Would you call a bi guy married for 11 years to a woman mostly gay?

R9 I'd be fine with him being pardoned for the murder-for-hire charge, but to have to serve time for the animal related charges. It seems very clear that he was entrapped into the murder-for-hire to get him out of the way for Jeff Lowe.

Joe Milli Vanillied his music. It wasn’t even his voice.

R12 I think you are confused, when one Milli Vanilli’s music you take an unattractive singer and use a model to lip sync the song, Joe’s was the opposite.

I don’t know what a Looper is, but some may find this of interest.

This stupid ass show is this month’s “Bird Box” for Netflix - overhyped, overrated garbage that everyone just HAS to watch so that they can feel like they’re part of the latest bandwagon.🥱

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Please leave all the "They are gay, stupid!" / "They are straight, stupid!" / "They are bi, stupid!" BS on the other thread.

It is really beyond tedious.

[quote]So if that big cat legislation were to pass, and there truly are possibly 10,000 big cats in the US, what happens to all of them?

I have an idea.

Girl, we are all trapped at home with nothing to really to do r15. Its nice this documentary came along to bind people together and give them something to talk about other than the Corona virus.

I am sorry that other people having fun makes you so upset.

This is something

Tiger King Chose the Wrong Villain

The most jaw dropping tv programming in history

R21

I am absolutely shocked that the article you linked to is by a woman. Shocked!! She even has to admit (buried in the middle of an overly lengthy screed) that it looks like Carole Baskin played a role in her husband’s death. Poor poor Carole.

She looks bad in the documentary because she IS bad. Every fucking person in the series is terrible.

> Every fucking person in the series is terrible.

No, I'd say Saff is definitely a good person who genuinely cared about the tigers and their welfare. So there WAS one person in the series who wasn't terrible.

The guy who lost his legs seemed pretty decent. And the secretary.

I think John Finlay is a decent guy, too. Yeah, yeah, he did/does meth, and probably smokes pot, but he seems to be someone who nevertheless cared about the welfare of the animals, even if he DID eventually get burned out by the never-ending state of crisis.

Come to think about it, John was probably the archetype of animal-rescue person... someone who gets into it because they really, really care a lot... then after a while, just starts to feel completely enslaved by it and engulfed by the sheer never-ending hopelessness of everything.

I'm almost inclined to give Antle a partial half-pass for (kind of) doing (almost) the right thing for the wrong reasons. He's far from being the patron saint of tigers, but unlike Joe, he managed to keep his life sufficiently together to sustainably run his business & keep the tigers cared for... and unlike Carole, he's not out to beat everyone else down.

Don't get me wrong... I think he's the only person whose welfare he genuinely cares about... but he's at least astute enough to realize that he can't win by himself, and that it's going to take a collective effort (with him as its de-facto leader, though I suspect he views it more as an annoying, tedious chore than a power-grab) to protect themselves from Carole and people aligned with her.

Joe is nuts... but Jeff is evil, and Carole is the devil incarnate.

The phrases "mostly gay" or "mostly straight" are like saying a woman is "mostly pregnant."

You are or you ain't.

Have I taught you nothing r28?

Antle runs a fucking sex cult people, how can anyone defende him?

Angle really is creepy.

I hope that the elephant he rides may trample him to death.

R28, don’t say stupid stuff

r30, the thing is, if somebody really wants to play with tigers in person, there aren't a lot of viable options. Antle isn't manipulating the women so much as facilitating their indulgence in an obsession they already had & sought him out for on their own for. Shades of gray, toma(y)to-toma(h)to, but you get the idea.

Is he using the women? Absolutely.

Is it wrong? Ugh, kind of/sort of.

Do the women go into his service willingly & enthusiastically? Yeah, it's pretty obvious that they do.

Basically, they're all in it for pussy... of one kind or another.

The wrong person is in jail. So he goes to jail for failing to do to the woman what she successfully did to her second husband? That's irony right there. I know it's wrong to arrange to have someone killed, but at the same time I hope he gets out and gets serious therapy. Also Carole Baskin comes across as a total hypocritical self-righteous cunt whom everybody fawns over (kinda like Tricia from CDAN) who is clearly a greedy woman who obviously did what everybody thinks she did. She's just making up all of those shitty abuse claims against the other two zoo parks because she wants to get them shut down so that she doesn't have competition. She's hardly doing anything different in her park than the other two guys were.

Also, I'm saddened that Joe's hot husband died. He had porn star looks. Unlike that method out toothless redneck they both married.

If they are treating animals badly...can't someone just go and kill the wankers? We can not kill Trump but do these idiots have body guards? I am sick of people abusing animals...let's just kill them.

I agree, r17. Trying to assign labels to people that you don't actually know says a lot more about you than it does them.

Did anyone else find it bizarre that instead of suing Joe for libel/slander (he said plenty of shit about her [though some of it was true] and launched several smear campaigns against her]), she instead sued him for copyright infringement over the use of a single photo?

R37, I think it’s easier to prove copyright infringement than libel/slander in a court of law. And she didn’t want to be on the defensive when she could attack him. Just my opinion.

r25 I think the secretary fucked Carole's first husband or wanted to, she looked like a hard woman and not so innocent

Found this on Reddit. : )

I can’t help but like Joe. He just unapologetically lets his freak flag fly.

Fuck the movie, I’m looking forward to the musical!

Carole got in and picked up the gun. The man drove a little while, then pulled the car over. He reached over and wrapped his hands around her neck. He said he could choke her to death if he wanted. “I know,” she said coldly, without a trace of fear. He relaxed his hands and began to massage her shoulders.

He drove her to a cheap motel. ****************************************

Both of them crazy.

Julia Roberts and Cynthia Erivo.

^^ Sorry, and it’s to complicated to explain here.

R27 - did you miss the part where Don allegedly kills cubs that are too old for his petting zoo?

Didn't Carole say that she was sexually abused as a child? Her second husband was called a sex addict by his own, estranged daughters. Both had, or have, issues with sex and I think that was what drew them to each other in the first place. Just look at the wedding pictures of Carole's third marriage. I would not be surprised if she is a dominatrix with an S&M dungeon somewhere.

Did anyone else think Don Lewis' daughters kind of looked as old as their mother (his ex wife)? When they were interviewing her, I at first thought maybe they were her sisters or friends.

Oh yeah R46, this Halloween people are going to be all over this show for costumes, I’m sure best group costume contests are going to rock!

Carole's cages looked smaller, but at least her cats were eating fresh rabbit (maybe a little too gleefully fresh) instead of expired Walmart hot dogs.

Carole belongs in jail as well. She absolutely killed her husband.

Haven't been able to prove it (yet) so, no, she doesn't belong in jail (just yet).

R49 yes, but let's be real: the mother is probably only 12-13 years older than the daughters. They're all white trash.

This show was a fascinating watch. I think pretty much all of the main characters are shady as fuck. Did Carole kill her second husband? I don't know, but she is a hypocrite for sure. Doc Antle is skeezy as FUCK. Ugh. And that Don guy should definitely be in jail for something.

The way Carole dresses and acts reminds me of some New Age sex worker/sex priestess/Madame/porn star/all of the above who advocates open relationships, swinging and free love. Kind of like a fat past her prime Cicciolina.

Carole has the best pussy in town.

It's true!

for the record, regarding the cages Carole's cats were shown in being smaller- those were the feeding cages. that's not where they live.

R49 Because the wife got money in the divorce, Carole stole the daughter's inheritance. Therefore the mother could afford some medical help to remain younger looking, but the daughters couldn't.

Is this another Honey Boo Boo thing. I do not want to watch people who run a puppy mill.

She should have arranged to be that creepy Trumptard's tantric sex goddess.

R62 Please, she is too old and fat to attract Trump.

R58 Those two are doppelgangers for Carole and her current husband.

To think what John Waters could have done with this. Would Dvine or Edith Massey play Carole?

No thanks, I'm really not into animal abuse.

r47, you're right... I totally forgot about that. I'll still give him a tiny, tiny fractional benefit of doubt in the sincere hope that he either sold the tigers to someone, or that it was a very brief & shameful part of his past he now regrets & feels remorse for. But if it's something he's done, continues to do, and doesn't at least cry about occasionally... that benefit of doubt goes to zero.

The sad fact is, Antle IS one of the very few articulate members of the big-cat community who comes across reasonably well in public, even IF everyone privately cringes when digging deeper. His "DC petting zoo roadtrip" was a stroke of pure lobbying genius.

Put another way... I wouldn't quite forgive him, but wouldn't unwaveringly condemn him forever if it were proven that he killed a few tigers 10-20 years ago (when he was still starting up) & now was saddened & ashamed, but I'd *absolutely* hold it against him if he kept unapologetically doing it, or did it recently... even after his finances became stable.

If dealing with aged-out tigers were a problem for Antle, he has enough land to literally build a street of townhomes backing up onto a small 5-10 acre sanctuary & sell/rent them, along with his aged-out tiger cubs, to people who want big cats of their own, but couldn't even fantasize about affording everything necessary to do it legally & properly from scratch. Antle could literally create a community of big-cat owners who could share resources (and a big tiger playground).

Buying an on-site cub would require purchasing a 25-year annuity adequate to cover their projected lifetime food, medical care, and day-to-day zookeeping by staff, and guarantee you access to your tiger. If you bought/rented a home on-site, you could let your big kitty inside. In both cases, you'd have to get your own class 1 zookeeping license to be allowed unfettered contact, and pay for your own liability insurance for them to be allowed into your adjacent home. The whole compound would be secured against escape, with the costs shared by the homeowner's association.

Kind of like the guy who, pre-2008, got the idea of building a condo with 10-25 acre equestrian park & stables in Miami's "Redlands" neighborhood near the Turnpike (a/k/a, "Horse Country"). Residents nearby weren't sure whether to scream or celebrate, since it would have simultaneously been their best dream (horses, lush landscaping, and hurricane-hardened shelter available for nearby residents with horses to use as well) & ultimate worst nightmare (a very, very non-rural cluster of 10-24 story towers on top of a HUGE 4 story parking garage pedestal with stables, rooftop pool, & tennis courts)... and double the horses presently living in the area.

[quote] To think what John Waters could have done with this. Would Dvine or Edith Massey play Carole?

No matter who does it, Mink Stole would be perfect casting

interview with Dillion, “I am in no way straight. I am as gay as they can be.”

Girl, no one thought you were straight Dillon!

Interesting that Carole sued Joe for copyright instead of defamation.

I bet that decision was made so that questions about killing her husband and/or being a prostitute wouldn't be allowed in sworn depositions, as they would be immaterial to a copyright violation claim.

For that poster who was doubting the appeal of tigers, in Dillon's own words

[quote]Passage first met Maldonado-Passage about two years ago at his Safari Bar. Maldonado-Passage serenaded Passage with a karaoke performance of his song “This Old Town” before inviting him back to the zoo — about a half-mile from the bar. “I got to play with baby tigers, which was frickin’ insane,” Passage recalled. He returned the following evening after Maldonado-Passage, then running for Oklahoma governor, took him to a Christmas parade. “Then I just never left the zoo,” Passage said.

Dillion comes across as surprisingly articulate and level-headed in that video.

I thought it was interested that he said the first time John Methmouth met him, John hit on him. "A straight guy wouldn't do that."

But, of course, he was in a "bad place." Those were they guys Joe went after.

Dillon says John hit on him. So much for him being 'straighr".

"He's LYING. That tacky little queen WISHES."

I don't find Dillon that sympathetic. He is clearly a grifter as well. He saw a grieving, vulnerable, lonely old man and went in for the kill! He knew what he was doing.

Dillon says his relationship with Joe wasn't "romantic."

Was it "work"?

Dillion is pretty cagey about what he says. He seems to be protecting Joe (or Joe's willingness to let him keep the Camero).

Joe being in jail is the perfect setup for Dillion: He can still have access to the cars/money left, talk a love game, but never have to touch that nasty cock with padlocks dangling from the end.

Uhhhh...what the hell are you talking about r76? Didn't this documentary teach you not to do meth?

What on earth did Dillon do to Joe other than give him the companionship and sex he wanted? Even with Joe in prison the kid remains royal and is protecting him.

[quote]Dillon says his relationship with Joe wasn't "romantic."

His exact words were at first it wasn't romantic it was just companionship, which I assume is a polite way to say they didn't fuck on the first date?

Of all the people on the show Carole comes off the worst. Yet one of them runs a sex cult, the other has had one too many husbands and had a hit on another and yet another stole his friend's business! People get very irked when someone gets away with murder. Especially when someone like Carole who is beyond evil and has the wicked cackle of a witch in a horror film.

I suspect the husband who killed himself was mostly straight, but toothless joe definitely pinged. He's probably bi, but if a rich guy came along and wanted to fund his rural gun shooting lifestyle he'd leave that chick in a minute. In fact, money probably wouldn't matter, if some like minded hot rural gay guy hit on him he wouldn't say no.

[quote]His exact words were at first it wasn't romantic it was just companionship, which I assume is a polite way to say they didn't fuck on the first date?

I took this to mean that he was coyly saying it was transactional.

R79, the kid is rolling around in a brand new Camaro and was sheltered by Joe not paying for rent or the food in his stomach. He was living on a blow up mattress at his cousin's place prior to meeting Joe. He wanted stability and a place he could stay. I'm sure he got plenty of financial perks while he could too. I'm sure Joe gave him cash and possessions to keep so they wouldn't be confiscated by the courts. Dillon is a grifter too!

Jeff Lowe is the biggest villain in the documentary

I thought it was interesting that Dillion said, "Everyone comes across in this documentary exactly as they are."

That was slam on John, Jeff, and Carole -- but also Joe. Although Joe is probably so giddy with the attention it's gotten him he doesn't realize how badly he comes across.

Dillion definitely has it out for John. Refuting his claim to being straight. And then mocking his meth mouth.

Joe seems nice and sweet deep down and I'm sure after a while Dillon developed a certain kind of love and compassion for Joe, but you have to be doing as much meth as they were if you can't see how transactional that relationship was/is. Dillon probably isn't all bad and feels a sense of duty or of "owing" Joe for providing him some stability, but that reasonably attractive 20 something was not sexually or romantically interested in Joe. He is thanking his lucky stars he can play the dedicated, ride-or-die husband from afar without actually having to touch a stringy, skinny fat, mullet wearing kook!

Well no shit being with Joe improved Dillon's life r84,like all of Joe's partners he was poor and living on the edge when Joe found him.

But you seem to be implying Dillon did something to Joe, he hasn't tried to harm Joe in any way.

R88 I personally feel leading someone to believe you have a deep love for them when really you don't is "doing something" to someone. It will hurt Joe tremendously once the chaos and attention dies down and Dillon stops taking those collect calls because he is no longer benefitingfrom their arrangement. No one can believe Dillon is going to wait for Joe or even maintain contact for the next 22 years.

Also, the long haired tiger trainer who worked for Joe was really sad at the end. He was so clearly on heroin or pills practically falling asleep mid sentence then falling back into bed. So sad

Joe won't actually be in prison for 22 years... he'll be out on parole in 5-8, guaranteed. Whether he'll be able to STAY out, or whether he'll piss off the judge and get his ass thrown right back in, is another matter entirely. He was put on trial for murder-for-hire, but he was honestly CONVICTED for the animal violations... the same way Al Capone was sent to prison for tax evasion. Animal cruelty is bad, but on the hierarchy of crime & legal punishment, actually ranks fairly low. The judge won't be happy about giving Joe parole... but he'll give Joe enough rope to hang himself, absolutely confident that he WILL.

Girl don't cry for Joe r89.

He finds guys who are desperate, he gives them stability in life, they give him companionship and sex. It's not that complicated. Dylan seem like a good kid who wishes him well and wants to help him, freakin John Finlay testified against him.

[quote] Also, the long haired tiger trainer who worked for Joe was really sad at the end. He was so clearly on heroin or pills practically falling asleep mid sentence then falling back into bed. So sad

Yes! That whole scene was horrifying. Second only to the reaction shot when Travis killed himself.

[quote]freakin John Finlay testified against him.

That's why Dillion is all about shading him.

Call me crazy, but I think Dillon is not so different from Carole. Both saw an opportunity to better themselves by catching themselves a sugar daddy. With Joe in prison Dillon has access to some assets. The scene in the storage facility where someone read some papers aloud and Dillon snatched them away could indicate that Dillon is in possession of material that some would pay good money for.

R91 You are incorrect, he was convicted on the murder for hire charge -

"Last April, the 56-year-old Oklahoma native was convicted of two counts of murder for hire, eight counts of falsifying wildlife records and nine counts of violating the Endangered Species Act. He is appealing; in the meantime, a federal judge sentenced him in January (E&E News PM"

[quote]He was put on trial for murder-for-hire, but he was honestly CONVICTED for the animal violations.

Uh no, he was found guilty of two counts of murder for hire, that's a big part of his sentence.

[quote]Call me crazy, but I think Dillon is not so different from Carole.

Did Dillon run over your dog or something? Good lord, how on each do you hate the kid this much when he is clearly one of the least offensive people in the whole documentary.

Until Dillion MURDERS someone, he is a lot different from Carole.

Have John hang out around a guy who looks like THIS for a few hours, then let me know how straight he still is...

(random smoking hot guy from the internet. This guy wouldn't just casually fuck John's hot hole, he'd make sweet love to it for hours... THEN fuck it raw, with John begging him for more...)

R69 I’m team Dillon, but I am confused about the start of the video when he says he’s met everyone but Doc Antle, when from his own IG he’s shown with him. And at first I wondered about him meeting Carole, but I guess seeing her in court qualifies as meeting her.

There were 2 series that were said to be similar to this one up thread.

One of them was ‘Tabloid’ and the other is something next door or something like that.

Anybody know what that other show was?

SPOILER ALERT!

Most Bizarre Scene: Joe fondly recalls how thrilling it was having Travis's magnificent balls teabagging him WHILE HE IS GIVING THE EULOGY AT TRAVIS' F U N E R A L . W. T. F ???

[quote] To think what John Waters could have done with this. Would Dvine or Edith Massey play Carole?

Divine as Joe. In drag even better. You gotta take some artistic liberties.

Today, the internet wanted Margot Robbie to play Joe Exotic.

I kind of love it? I'm not going to watch the movie version. But, I like the idea of Robbie playing him. I actually think she could pull it off.

I hope Joe dies caged up in prison. Burning the baby gators to spite the doco producer was one thing, but it was the part with the chimps got me. Locked apart for 10 years and then wouldn't stop hugging each other when they were released at the new sanctuary was so incredibly sad. No sympathy for Joe though. He's exactly where he should be.

I hope Baskins is ultimately convicted of murder too. Her fear of the big cats, talking about how fast they can turn on a person, really makes me think she did it.

R106 that chimp story was devastating!! Joe seemed to realize he was wrong to have kept them apart. However it begs the question why??? Their cages seemed big enough for two from what I saw, or could have combined the two habitats. But regardless, I am curious why he never let the two be together in the same enclosure? Did he think they would fight? Did he misunderstand some scientific information he read somewhere about chimps in captivity? I am positive he didnt do it just to be an asshole and torture those animals for no reason. Along the way he must have been told they couldn't be together or the chimps at one point showed aggression toward one another that led him to believe they couldn't cohabitate in the same enclosure. It was such a simple story, but so damn sad.

This got me wondering about what happened to Seigfried and Roy. Didn't one of them get killed by their cats or did they just retire?

They retired, the tiger (Mant[i/e]core) continued living with them, and I think eventually died from old age. Roy was fiercely protective of her, because he KNEW she didn't intend to hurt him & it was just a horrible accident.

I think we discussed the other documentary of crazy ass big cat collectors "Cat Dancers". That was another oddball story. Flaming gay man, married to his female dance partner involved in a throuple with another guy ending in tragedy too.

As usual, Mink Stole is the correct answer.

The reactions to this series are almost as fascinating as the series itself. Shows how much we like to have people to root for, and how much more we like to have people to despise.

The part with the chimpanzees was heartbreaking but I liked that Joe showed Self retrospection. Nobody else in the doc ever did.

For me, the biggest slap in the face was how I immediately sided with Carole at first. I thought she and her husband were well-spoken, seemed compassionate, and were well meaning, educated liberal Jews.

WRONG! She's trailer trash without a high school degree, who most likely worked as a hooker. She lies and manipulates extremely well.

Don't judge a book by its cover, indeed!

Oh - final takeaway - nobody should own these animals. End of story. And Fuck Shaq for buying two MORE of them!

[quote] I thought she and her husband were well-spoken, seemed compassionate, and were well meaning, educated liberal Jews.

She never came across as Jewish, to me. Her husband maybe, but not that blonde shiksa.

David Spade's interview with reality producer Rick Kirkham, who confirms things were way worse than depicted:

The Mirror reporting that Joe has COVID-19, although other news outlets are stating that he was placed in isolation only as a precautionary measure since other inmates had tested positive.

[quote] Dillon says John hit on him. So much for him being 'straight".

In other news, sky is blue and water is wet.

I actually believe that John is bi or straight. He was young when he got with Joe. Joe by admission took advantage of the vulnerable. He specifically hired people who were fresh out of jail or on the skids, populations of which have higher incidences of drug use, addiction, and childhood abuse/trauma. There are plenty of young straight guys who have been abused and end up being confused about their sexuality. I'm not sure why this is so hard to believe.

It's homophobic propaganda. I enjoyed the series but it contributes to the myth of the predatory gay man preying on vulnerable straight guys--This was a gay man entering into a series of codependent relationships with bisexuals-- his being damaged and taken advantage of as well didn't factor in to the "gay for pay" storyline. He certainly didn't coerce a man into being his partner for over a decade.

John Finlay has a serious case of gayface and if you look on twitter the fraus are now eating him up and scorning the awful gay predators who they just KNOW all have the power to brainwash their innocent straight boyfriends.

It feeds right into the "ex-gay" conversion therapy trope.

Well. Aren't you special

[quote]I enjoyed the series but it contributes to the myth of the predatory gay man preying on vulnerable straight guys

It showed the straight guys being just a predatory.

R121 - I would say more so. Those women weren't being paid. They were forced to get implants. And there were a lot more of them.

But straight people don't balance the sheets like that - they will only concentrate on the deviant gays.

It's silly to think that any straight person, even the most "fly over," would watch this and think Joe is a "typical gay."

Everyone on this show is so over-the-top, outrageous and fucked up. That's why this train wreck has been so popular to watch.

I wish they could have edited this more - just a lot of rehashing the same stuff but from different people's perspectives.

2 episodes too long.

I wish they had showed Joe torturing and killing animals more.

They made his seem way too harmless and "madcap" when he is actually quite evil from what I've read.

He routinely killed tiger cubs that outgrew being petable.

He shot grown tigers so he would have to feed them.

On lady donated a horse to his "sanctuary" and he immediately shot it and fed it to the tigers.

[quote] I wish they had showed Joe torturing and killing animals more.

It's a fine line. Many of us don't really want to actually see animals being abused. It's tough enough to have it be alluded to.

I was surprised they didn't even call out Joe's music for the Milli Vanilli situation. They showed a lot of it, but never told the audience he didn't make the music or sing it.

The person who did the podcast liked the documentary, but did think it was overly kind to Joe.

[quote]It's a fine line. Many of us don't really want to actually see animals being abused. It's tough enough to have it be alluded to.

That's a very valid point.

But they could have people talk about it more. Without showing it.

And also to the fact that people who got in disagreements found that their houses burned to the ground a few days later.

I felt that they producers were trying to make Joe seem just "kooky" so their main character would be more popular on Netflix. It worked.

Everyone on that show is awful besides Saff, Cowie and the employee of Joe’s that lost his legs.

Carole is not likable, however for the show to portray as her villain is mighty rich considering Joe’s hit on her, Joe scamming his own parents out of money ( as his niece briefly mentions in episode 5), and how Joe treated some of his employees.

He deserves his jail time.

r129 It's the same reason Trump won, people hate a woman they don't like way more than a man they don't like. I actually don't mind Carol im not convinced she killed her husband because from the looks of it there's way too many grifters around Don to ignore as possible suspects or maybe Don did get away to some foreign location and was more than happy to leave clues behind to make it look carole did it, didn't seem like he cared for her much at the end. Did the documentary ever mention that Carole runs a non profit, if that's true then she's not like the others who are clearly in it for the money

[quote]Did the documentary ever mention that Carole runs a non profit

She claims it's a non-profit. But she doesn't pay employees and charges a fortune for people to look at her cats.

She's probably socking away more money than Joe could have ever dreamed of.

I think that's why she's freaking out over this documentary. It blows her cover and makes her look more like Joe than not like him.

I love someone complaining about homophobia and then saying that someone has "gayface" in the very next sentence. Classic.

We can speculate all we want but Big Cat Rescue has a perfect score on CharityNavigator (I work for a nonprofit, and CharityNavigator is legit -- they come to their ratings based on IRS documents).

It's funny that I thought he had a bad Tulsa Brow Lift, but they were actually lower than when he was a kid.

Obviously considering she has to feed all these animals im assuming she has to charge people to see the animals to make money for that purpose.

R135 That's true. Husbands are a finite resource.

[quote] (I work for a nonprofit, and CharityNavigator is legit -- they come to their ratings based on IRS documents)

I worked for a non-profit, as well. And, CharityNavigator is legit, as long as the IRS documents are correct, and they are not always correct. I looked up the documents for the non-profit I worked for and they were way off. I informed the IRS, after I quit. I don't know what happened with any investigation. I know the income reported was much too low and the expenses were much too high, because I created the reservation and payment system. I don't think it was a coincidence that the founder and head of the non-profit I worked for happen to have a home on a Caribbean island known for off-shore accounts.

Dillon answers the question we all had. Joe Exotic is a power vers! (13:41)

R125, the horse story came from Rick Kirkham and he seems as shady as anyone else in the documentary. If he filmed all this he had a responsibility to hand over the tapes to the authorities.

R138 Does that mean John, Travis, and Dillion have all had that Prince Albert dangling padlocks up their asses?

Rick Kirkman was an inside edition reporter during the bill oreilly years.

[quote]Carole is not likable, however for the show to portray as her villain is mighty rich

I don't even think the doc portrayed her as a villain. Some viewers are just determined to see her that way.

I only made it through the third episode and then lost all interest. Now I'm spending my down time watching movies from the 1940s, especially noir. That tiger thing starts out strong and then turns stupid. Nothing to see there folks.

Who paid for the Doc Antle chicks to get breast implants? Did he?

I haven’t heard a single straight person spend any time at all worrying about how straight or bi Joe’s husbands were, or worrying that gays were preying on straight men. Just anecdotal.

Michael Emerson should play Carole's third husband. They've clearly got a BDSM thing going on. That said I can't believe how many DLers are defending creepy, animal abusing Joe. He didn't give a shit about those tigers.

I think all three of Joe’s husbands would have been on Boyshalfwayhouse if he hadn’t came along.

No mention of the obviously lesbian 100% competent deadly serious DA? She had a small part but I loved her. When they make a movie of this no one but Clea DuVal should play her.

A Colorado animal sanctuary has taken in 39 of Joe's tigers and 3 black bears.

Rick Kirkham was showing up for work on Inside Edition every day and smoking crack all night throughout his tenure on the show. A documentary from 2006, using his own footage, is on Youtube now.

They may have all the papers in order, but she's running a fucking zoo and a cult just like the others, even her cages are smaller than Joe's, not to mention the free work this millionaire killer gets without spending a dime of her fortune. Not only is this wench a psychopathic murderess she's also a full blown hypocrite.

I've worked for three no profits dealing with human rights issues and NGOs are magnets for hypocrites and crazies. Steer clear.

Can we talk about the hardcore lesbian who got her arm ripped off and went back to work 7 days later. They make them gals tough.

He trans, not lesbienne.

Not to mention when the doctor gave her a choice of either years of therapy or cutting off her arm she chose the arm.

I’m wondering why there’re aren’t more post on this show.

I have a friend who is into animals not hardcore who only watched two episodes and said this is everything I stand against for. Yeah right. I said they don’t really show animals being abused and is pro-animal rights but I bet he doesn’t watch it. Like I tried to recommend Okja to him another pro-animal rights movie. I said the abuse shown wasn’t real but CGI but he didn’t care and refused to watch it.

[quote] I’m wondering why there’re aren’t more post on this show.

You do realize this is the second thread about the show (hence, the PART DEUX in the thread title)? Which means there have been roughly 750 comments posted about the show so far. Which was released only about two weeks ago.

Yeah, and half of the posts are "They're really gay!", "No, they're really straight!" Yawn.

Has anyone else noticed that Carol and her current husband Howard appear to be "Furries"? They frequently dress up in furry animal costumes and seem to me to be into that fetish.

I had to share this here, I got a good laugh out of it.

If you listen to the interview Dylan says he made Joe take out the Prince Albert when they had sex because he didnt want it going up his ass r140.

R138 thanks for sharing. I know DL hates Cohen, but he did a good job of getting Dillon to talk about that type of shit that we want to hear. He never asked him if John Finlay ever joined them in bed though, I assume not, but I wonder.

I love the discussion up-thread about what early John Waters years film cast members (Female Trouble, Desperate Living era) would play who on Tiger King.

Divine as Joe Exotic (of course). David Lochery as Doc Antle. Cookie Mueller as the one armed lesbian. Edith Massey as Carol (perfect). But my partner and I can't agree on where Mink Stole would go.

The husbands would be played by any of the younger male hotties in early waters films (George Figgs, Danny Mills, etc.)

Awful all around. I think I spotted maybe 3 decent people in the whole thing. And I'm not even sure, that might just be in contrast to the rest. Joe deserves to rot in jail for burning up those alligators, murdering those tigers, and abusing all those animals. He got off easy.

R130 Joe is actually a perfect metaphor for Trump's/Red America (and their slavish devotion to the GOP in general). So hell bent on hurting others he'll empower the worst kind of thieves and grifters so long as they say what he wants to hear, and he's determined to hurt "those people" can't see he's on a speeding train to his own destruction.

The show isn't about finding someone to root for. This is pure "I might be trash, but I am not as trashy as these guys!!" entertainment where you feel a lot better about yourself after watching it.

Joe Exotic is what Trump would be without money.

R163 Honey, you can't fit a padlock on a toadstool.

I’m just a simple country boy from Kentucky can someone explain to me what a Prince Albert is?

For r165.

Do they not have Google in Kentucky?

Frau alert at R165

Cohen is such a sleazebag. Of course he was the first in line to exploit this boy and mock him. He couldn’t resist getting his cut.

Par for the course with this sicko. He makes a living off of the direct suffering of others.

I’m just waiting to see Dillon be a guest bartender on WWHL, you know it’s already in the works.

I would imagine if the trans person who lost its arm qualifies for disability as an amputee; probably wouldn't have been if it kept it, even with physical therapy.

R171 He/She/It/Shit lives in a trash heap like a modern day Oscar the Grouch.

What do I call this person. He or she? I too assumed lesbian.

Actually r167 I prefer bing. I’m all alone don’t belong to twitter facebook or anything else. This place is the only thing I have for social interaction right now. Besides whenever I have a sexual question pertains to be gay I think to ask the many wizen DLers who have been around the block more than a few times.

Why do people give a shit about decent” people on these type of docu style shows? Decent people don’t make good TV , trainwrecks do!!

Batshit crazy Carole was the clear star of this documentary. Joe is batshit crazy as well but annoying. There was way too much of Joe . The episodes that were light on Carole were not as entertaining. Carole is unintentionally hilarious!! I don’t even care that she killed and fed her pervert ex husband to her tigers. At least she had the decency to give his hideous daughters 10 percent of his millions. If it was up to me those daughters would get 5 dollars each.

Exactly r175. The first hillbilly wife happy to walked on, cheated on whatever. They’re mad about the money. And it was 25%! One daughter said, she gave us the bad investments! I laughed. Greedy Okies.

Maybe Carole didn't kill Don. He was probably using animals to smuggle drugs from Costa Rica.

He was obviously a bad pilot. Did anyone say one of his planes was missing ? You must also weigh in the factor it always the significant other and follow the money. I dont think Carole's third husband was a pushover. He was the one who did most of the talking towards the end of the series and I believe the brains of the downfall of Joe.

The daughters of the second husband looked the same age of the mama.

r177 Thats why i don't think Carole killed him, he seems like the kind of guy who would have other enemies. The hanging out in Costa Rica was a red flag.

Also, that bit about being able to avoid radar in the Gulf. Drug trafficking and/or gun running. He either disappeared or was taken out, but not by Carole.

Jeff Lowe says there will be a new episode next week according to imdb.com. I cant wait!

R181, Eww nobody wants to see that con man snitch

Not sure how much of these people's stories can be taken at face value but Carole said she was gang raped at 12 or so by local boys. Joe allegedly was sexually abused at an even younger age.

Travis looked drugged out of his mind for most of his footage in episode 2. There was a shot of him and Joe lounging on the couch, Joe was petting a cub and pawing Travis while Travis was just staring at the TV frozen in stupor with a manic grin on his face. Also when they were shown in the copter flying over Carole's property he was just out of it.

The detective investigating Don's disappearance had creepy room decor - face masks on the walls, a lion coffee table (glass top over a base of a lion lying on his back), and a Winston monkey butler side table.

It really was a damn shame that gay porn studios did not get a hold of Travis before crazy Joe did. He was 6’6 tall with big hands and feet, he must have had a nice one.

It wasn't just the husband's disappearance. Carole established an alibi before her husband was even missing by talking to the cop and she seized control over her husband's assets, with a forged signature apparently, pushing the executor of his original will, the secretary, out.

The memes are hilarious.

The MVP of the whole thing was Carole's first husband's ex-wife. What a sassy bitch she was.

R184, you need Jesus. Seriously. Smh

Don was Carole’s second husband.

A former intern at Carole's rescue explains about the facility and the work system

I have to say, the volunteer shirt coding made a lot of sense even before I read that reddit thread as did Carole saying she didn't know names of many people. People who are spooked by this need to think what it means to have a large number of volunteers at a large animal rescue with different skills and levels of familiarity with animals. Color coding (or any other uniform-type system) makes it easy to quickly figure out who is at what level of skill and experience when you need someone to take care of this or that animal. And probably people from the higher levels take in and teach the lower until they get to a certain level of skill.

As to not knowing names, if she has hundreds of volunteers, she won't be meeting with them every day. Who knows if she even hires them personally. Does a CEO of a relatively large company know the names of everyone who works at the company?

Ok carol. But where’s your Ex husbear?

Who knows who the husband did deals with in Costa Rica and in Florida. His businesses sounded like potential money laundering ops. Not saying Carole is not suspicious but we didn't really get much info about the husband's business dealings.

[quote]The detective investigating Don's disappearance had creepy room decor - face masks on the walls, a lion coffee table (glass top over a base of a lion lying on his back), and a Winston monkey butler side table.

He has drag queen decor.

R191 who cares, even his daughters did not like him. They just care about his money and that Carole got most of it.

We care r194.

You aren't allowed to go around murdering people in our society. It's one of those major things that as a people we decided is not okay.

Joe Exotic is basically Donald Trump, just with better hair than DJT.

Someday, Melania will let it slip that Donald has a Prince Albert... fashioned from his parents' wedding rings. Or that he & Putin have matching PAs they gave each other.

[quote]Melania will let it slip that Donald has a Prince Albert

Like she's ever been that close to it to see it.

R192, Carole killed him to get his money. This is every freaking Lifetime/Investigation Discovery/Oxygen show.

And still it's been how many years with no proof?

The producers decided that the theme was going to be how awful these big cat people were but im undecided on Carol because i would have like to see what exactly Don was involved in before i decide that Carol is the only person who could have made him disappear.

There's so much stuff left out of the series, it's unbelievable.

I'm listening to the podcast by the other reporter, and there are bonus interviews with John Finlay and Rick Kirkham which give much more detail.

Carole is shady. Having no interest to rehabilitate the cats into the wild is selfish.

Everyone else in the show is pure trash not worth talking about.

R183, there was all kinds of creepy decor.

R203, big cats that have been kept or bred as pets or show cats often can't be let back in the wild. They're sometimes declawed (the cruelest fucking thing ever) or have had their basic hunting/survival skills weakened because of the training or abuse they experience. Cats that are rescued from the wild can sometimes be returned, it depends on how they were handled in rehabilitation.

[quote]Having no interest to rehabilitate the cats into the wild is selfish.

How old is that footage?

Carole started as a breeder / trader and turned into an animal rescue.

Joe started allegedly as an animal rescue and turned into a breeder and trader.

Their motives evolved in opposite directions.

R205 The producers of the Netflix show said Carole had no interest in seeing the cats in the wild. It seemed like she wanted to live with cats.

This rescue below is slightly better, has more veterinarians but look how they make their money holding weddings. It's very pricey.

I'm not defending her, I'm just pointing out that sadly we need sanctuaries for wild animals that have been bred and kept as pets. If Carole wants to only focus on rescuing cats that can't be released, I'm not going to hate on her for it because the need is there.

Interestingly though, if the Big Cat Safety Act (the federal bill she's pushing) ever passes, it would help reduce the need.

The Tiger King series ended with the statistics that there are between 5,000 and 10,000 tigers live in captivity in the US, but fewer than 4,000 tigers remain in the wild.

There's no way to release these captive tigers in the wild. They don't know how to hunt to survive, they're used to people and won't avoid poachers or hunters, they are also cross-bred in captivity which doesn't happen in the wild, some have genetic defects, and let's not even start on the ligers and other hybrids - etc. etc.

So the only reasonable option for the captive tigers barring very few exceptions is to get them to a nice sanctuary to live out their remaining lives, not release them in the wild. Carole is aware of this fact. So what is she supposed to do if she wants to improve the situation of captive cats in the US, R207?

She is lobbying for legislation, and provides sanctuary. That's what other animal rights and welfare orgs also do. Other orgs do conservation work in the wild but that's a different angle.

The "BIg Cat Public Safety Act" won't do SHIT to "protect lions and tigers in the wild".

For all intents and purposes, every big cat in the possession of an American private owner was, in fact, born in America. American tigers might be descended from immigrants, but most of THEIR ancestors were living in America before OUR OWN ancestors were (esp. if your ancestry is Italian, Irish, Yiddish, or eastern European in general). Literally ZERO lions and tigers living with private owners in the US today were born in "the wild" and transported here. It just doesn't happen, because there's no reason FOR it to happen. We have abundant lions and tigers IN the US that could be purchased for not even a tiny FRACTION of what it would cost to buy one captured from "the wild" and transported here now.

Drug smugglers are, fundamentally, businessmen. They aren't going to gamble 20+ years of prison and the loss of everything they've worked to achieve just to bring an illegal tiger or lion into the US that might... MIGHT... sell for $50k-100k, when they smuggle a fucking SHOEBOX packed with a million dollars worth of cocaine for a fraction of the risk.

There's also the fact that a lion or tiger snatched from the wild would make a horrible pet, and anyone who'd purchase one is going to be astute enough to KNOW it. American tigers and lions aren't domesticated (really, NO cats are), but they've been selectively bred for decades, maybe a century or more, to favor calm, mellow temperament... and bottle-raised by humans from birth. A lion or tiger snatched from the wild would literally be like the worst, most high-strung & dangerous feral cat you've ever encountered.

Anybody who's ever ENCOUNTERED a true feral cat knows what I'm talking about. A frightened feral cat will FUCK YOU UP... and it really doesn't take much TO frighten them. I don't mean a cat that someone abandoned, I'm talking about a cat whose mother and grandmother, both grew up in a semi-rural area and have essentially reverted to being small wildcats that are now "housecats" in name only.

I'll say this point blank... I'll unhesitatingly get into the enclosure with a friendly tiger (subject to the usual disclaimers about discerning the cat's mood and respecting it) before I *ever* try to grab a frightened feral cat. The tiger might shove me aside, or give me a half-assed swat. A frightened feral street cat will do its best to TEAR YOU TO FUCKING SHREDS.

With cats, socialization and living environment are EVERYTHING. A big cat raised by humans & allowed to live a life of stress-free pampered luxury is literally just a really, really big housecat (who's big enough to stand his own ground if need be, but you get my point). A "housecat" who's multi-generational feral is a LITERAL, honest-to-god "wild" cat.

I HAVE a cat who was multi-generational feral when I rescued her. It took 7 years of bending over backwards to never startle or frighten her just to get to the point where I could even TOUCH her without her bolting the moment she saw my hand approaching, even if it was to give her treats. It was 8 years before she EVER voluntarily made contact with my body. Even now (t=14 years), she'll walk up to ME and cuddle, but if I pick her up and carry her to my bed or the couch, she'll run for her life the moment I let go, re-evaluate the situation from a safe, sheltered spot nearby... and sheepishly come walking back a minute or two later. Nevertheless, she's hardwired... run first and hide, ask questions later.

Carole's proposed law is about taking away big cats from private owners, period, EVEN IF it means ultimately reducing the total number of big cats left in the world.

The podcast said Carole was tall. She looked short to me.

I think the writer is gay. He starts with the throuple wedding.

R210, tigers aren't house cats even when bred in captivity. There's millions of years of genetics and evolution behind their inborn instincts.

I wouldn't blame the daughters and their mother for seeming to care slightly more about their father's/husband's money than the man himself. They're angry at him because he up and left them for some sociopathic big cat obsessed streetwalker.

That poster is correct that you can't take a big cat that was raised in captivity and just release it in the wild though r212.

It will die. It is completely unprepared for a life in the wild if it spent its whole life in captivity.

r212, do you know what the most significant difference is between a happy housecat and a tiger who was a human-fed bottle baby and pampered since literally birth?

400-600 pounds. Nothing more, nothing less.

With cats, environment is EVERYTHING. A tiger can forcefully resist human will in ways a 12 pound housecat can't, but mentally, they're alike more than they're different.

R215 If you mean a feral house cat that was raised by people as a kitten, maybe. A house cat house cat? Nope.

Meant Feral domestic cat*

R215, here's the actual difference.

Tigers share 95.6 percent of DNA with domestic cats.

For comparison, humans share 98.8 percent of DNA with chimpanzees.

Seems like there's more to a tiger vs cat than mere poundage when you get down to actual science.

Unwatchable, even quarantined indefinitely for a plague.

Bad story telling, bad pacing, bad editing, that turns a somewhat interesting kernel of a Florida white trash story into rubbish.

There's a difference between telling a story in a podcast and telling a story in film, but not to worry, this lot doesn't have a clue how to do either one.

R219 they gave away everything in first 5 minutes also

It’s one of the biggest streaming programming in history

[quote]Unwatchable, even quarantined indefinitely for a plague. Bad story telling, bad pacing, bad editing, that turns a somewhat interesting kernel of a Florida white trash story into rubbish.

It's the most popular show on Netflix in a long time.

So you must be right -- it's "unwatchable" -- and everyone else must be wrong.

Whatever, Miss Thing.

I read netflix is stopping a new bonus episode this week : jeff lowe spilled the tea on a C A M E O which one of you bitches paid for a cameo from this POS?

Ugh not stopping , showing.

Nobody is going to watch that R223. He comes off as a total ass and yet is still completely boring.

[quote]Everybody is going to watch that [R223]

Fixed it for you. The hunger for this show is so great it's like it's covered in sardine oil.

That part was crazy r226! I wanted him to be eaten alive.

Did the producers see mistreatment of joes animals and gloss over it so they could make a more sensational, financially successful show. Add the producers of this shitfest to the list of evil people.

They don’t show the mistreatment. Joe shoots at some who were getting a little too rough and separated two monkey for 10 years who could have hugged each other which he felt bad about. I didn’t know animal lovers feel bad just over animal cruelty depictions.

[quote]I didn’t know animal lovers feel bad just over animal cruelty depictions.

I don't even like seeing a fake dog die in a movie.

> There's millions of years of genetics and evolution behind their inborn instincts.

Mamallian instincts aren't complex or nuanced. They're reflexes, like "neutralize sources of annoyance and stress", and "avoid death".

Humans have more or less the same ones. When they're detrimental, we call them 'neuroses'.

Actually, humans broadly have at least THREE categories of 'instincts':

1. Those nearly everyone has

2. Those that are mostly expressed by introverts

3. Those that are mostly expressed by extroverts.

Tigers & most other cats overlap mostly with 1 and 2. Lions venture off a bit and take occasional side trips into #3 (kind of like introverted humans who prefer solitude, but might ritualistically go out to a bar anywdy on Friday night due to FOMO & spend the whole time playing with their phone in public). Dogs overlap mostly with #1 and #3.

Frankly, it's hard to see how ANY species that tends towards introversion could be truly domesticated in the conventional sense. AFAIK, *every* species we unambiguously classify as 'domesticated' is a pack/herd animal. Housecats would sneer and sulk if you INSULTED them by calling them "domesticated".

Not the actor I initially thought of, but Rob Lowe screwing redneck twinks peaks my interest.

They have to CGI the wild animals in the HW versions, for obvious reasons.

The real people in this documentary chew scenery way better than any HW name.

Damn, Rob Lowe looks terrible.

He’ll be perfect for the role.

How'd Carol's (dead) ex-husband make his millions?? Because at one point they showed a document he'd written and he was a fucking HORRIBLE speller! The fact that someone that uneducated can somehow become a multi-millionaire makes me wonder where I went wrong in life.

I think it was real estate. Owners employ smart people to do their thinking. legal dealings I.e. Trump.

He wasn't that smart picking a trophy spouse who would murder him.

Get a blog r231, and post about your made up bullshit to your hearts content.

Did you watch John Oliver who showed a video of one of Rump’s dumb sons who said wow I didn’t know tigers were so cheap. It would be cool to have one in the house totally missing the point of the show.

$2,000 for a baby tiger cub is cheap.

R239 It’s not baby, though, that’s when it can still be petted. It’s when they age out of that level isn’t it?

Huge! Nielsen says 34 million viewers for the first 10 days!

Huuuuuuge

Ahhh, he’s so cute, I think he’s becoming the Internet’s boyfriend.

Stay away from anyone that would marry joe exotic

I ain't sayin' she's a gold digger but she ain't messin' with no brokes.

R425 Why are you playing the Sussex’s theme song?

Joel McHale interviews almost everyone from the show in an 8th installment of, "Tiger King"

Oh crap I forgot the link:

I love that Joel McHale has no problem showing off his body!

I love JoelnMcHale and so happy to see him get a high profile gig. I guess the new Soup was a bomb? I watched first episode. The first topic was Real Housewives. I turned it off and never watched again.

Didn't he have pec implants? Of course he's gonna try and show them off.

R251 Does he get to write them off as a business expense if he does?

R251 I don't care if they are real or fake I just like them!

So, turns out among other forms of assholery, Joe Exotic is a big ol' bigot. No surprise, but it's pretty fucking gross the producers hid this. They clearly were angling to set him up as some kind of anti-hero bested by his own hubris, or something. In the age of Trump, this is inexcusable.

I’m shocked, I tell you. Shocked.

Like we discussed before, it was a sympathetic portrayal of Joe. They also didn't include how he liked to fake he had terminal illnesses. That was covered in the podcast.

Padma Lakshmi's tweet cracked me up:

Poor Joe Exotic. All the man wanted was three husbands, unlimited meth, 227 tigers, the governorship OR presidency, his rival dead, animal right's groups disbanded and to be loudly racist.

[quote]Actually [R167] I prefer bing. I’m all alone don’t belong to twitter facebook or anything else. This place is the only thing I have for social interaction right now. Besides whenever I have a sexual question pertains to be gay I think to ask the many wizen DLers who have been around the block more than a few times

You're in Kentucky? You sure about that?

Four husbands

Right now I’m in a parking lot of avKentucky Walmart trying to find the courage to go in. Why do you ask 258?

John in an interview on the podcast Said Exotic also Lied about pulling the plug on his brother and that it is was a regular car wreck and he wasn’t killed by a drunk driver.

Ha! Hey Cardi B, you still want to free him?

That video shows Exotic to be ignorant don’t know about racist. He never says the n word but like many stupid people wonders why others can say it.

Do they ever say why Exotic wears the leg brace?

Good question

> Do they ever say why Exotic wears the leg brace?

He fell out of the sling while drunk off his ass & getting powerfucked by Travis?

🙄🙄🙄🙄

Why would anyone want to fuck a middle aged man? Now for a 40 year old wanting to fuck Travis I could understand.

R268 Maybe Travis was high and got tired of being fucked.

OMG I just binge-watched the entire series.

All I can say is MOTHERFUCK.

That was some dark, ridiculous shit. I can't believe it's real.

Anyone watch the latest episode that came out on Sunday? Is it worth watching or should I just call it a day?

Watch it. It's only 40 minutes long and it flies by.

R271, it's just Joel McHale interviewing some of the people involved. It did acknowledge, in a way the documentary kind of sidestepped, just how evil Joe Exotic actually is/was. Every person Joel interviewed said unequivocally that Joe deserves everything that he got.

And McHale is very dryly funny. Sometimes, I don’t think the participants aren’t even aware he’s making fun of them.