The tourism industry is going to be pretty much fucked for a long time, right?

Everything except medicine, groceries, health care and delivery services are fucked.

At least a couple years, yes.

And imo Chinese restaurants will collapse in the West

and the end of buffet restaurants (regardless of the cuisine)

Everything is fucked. I’ve lost hundreds of thousands in the stock market this week.

the big winner is our Planet rn

[quote]And imo Chinese restaurants will collapse in the West

Why? Chinese restaurants are actually thriving right now with take-out and deliveries. They can’t keep up. Thai restaurants too. The only ones suffering are Japanese restaurants since people don’t trust delivered sushi 🍣

R7 well then why do I keep seeing stories in the news about the various Chinatowns across the country not getting any business then?

I've seen where at least ABC and CBS has done Chinatown peices about them not being able to get any type of business at the moment. And their scared they may have to shutdown for lack of business.

R7 You are living in a parallel world!

Yes it will:

[quote][R7] well then why do I keep seeing stories in the news about the various Chinatowns across the country not getting any business then?

Do you think Chinese restaurants are only in Chinatown?

Not in NYC. The 1/2 wit, fly-over-state Christian tourists will be back by this time next year. To go to Olive Garden and Chili's and Dylan's Candy Store.

We are all fucked. Let's see how this will play out. Tomorrow the stock market will crash more. The Democrats will be in a panic by closing. The republic party will wait. The Democrats just can't win the long game, they do not know how. By Tuesday morning all the bailouts will be approved. Tuesday's close will be a record high.

The corporations having what they want start downsizing and buying back stock at a furious pace. Millions are laid off. Billions still get paid to corporations. Everyone is out of work, the majority of people not laid off, are part-time from home as the virus abates a bit. Home prices across the nation crash.

Fall comes and the virus roars back to life, this time millions have lost homes, apartments, jobs and healthcare. Election postponed because of virus. Trump stays in office. the country limps along through the winter of 2021, and we become a third world nation. Meanwhile China takes the lead in the world.

So yeah, tourism is fucked, unless you count the Chinese visiting LA and throwing pennies in your hat as tourism.

Taking a cue from Disney, I'd say yes - they are already trying to raise money. Homelessness in Orlando is going to skyrocket.

actually, completely ignore what I wrote. r13 hits the nail squarely on the head.

I live above Chinatown in SF and I’d go get food in a heartbeat but it’s much too crowded down there to just stand around waiting for food.

I was just in Chinatown to deliver food for Doordash and it was very busy. They can’t keep up with demand.

someone is trolling way too much here, Chinese restaurants are already collapsing!

My condolences, r5. Hopefully you didn’t sell?

R13 I think any ascendancy by the Chinese will be temporary. Call it a hunch. The timeline for the US doesn’t feel as dark as you say, although that may be foolish optimism.

R19, This is our demise as a world power. This is the end. By 2021 China will be humming along, we will be wreckage.

R18, that article is a month and a half old and it’s about Chinatowns. Yes, people are afraid to go to Chinatown but the Chinese restaurants outside of Chinatown and in the suburbs are doing good business.

China is going down. The whole world hates it for unleashing this catastrophe and the Chinese are FAR from having the pandemic under control.

It's the end of the everything "Made in China" era.

R21 You really are living in another world, do you really think that now that the pandemic is getting worse and that the orange agent is calling it "the chinese virus", things are getting better for chinese restaurants??? Are you an idiot ?

If we can get back on track. Yes OP.

The tourism industry is going to be fucked for a long time. Even once America gets through the worst of it this is a worldwide virus. Travel is going to be more precarious for a while.

I just heard that auto body shops are losing business because people aren't driving, so they're not getting into accidents and needing car repair.

R22 I believe China made that move long before the rest of the world has realized, a lot factories owned by Chinese were already moved to Bangladesh, Vietnam, Indonesia... manufacturing no longer a top priority, instead they are investing a domestic service sector, like this money printing high speed train operator, which generates more profit than Apple.

the tourism industry should almost have never gotten as big as it did, especially with airline travel.

perhaps if it becomes more difficult to do, people will invest in their own places more.

regionalism is not necessarily a bad thing.

The Chinese are like diseased locusts.

Whatever they’re involved in leads to disaster.

R26 I like China!

cruise lines are done!

talking about cruise lines, the troubled ones all from the British princess company, first diamond princess, now ruby princess...other companies like carnival, norwegian or carribean all seemed ok, none had a covid-19 cluster ship.

Will anybody go to Fire Island or Provincetown this summer?

They will lose a few months income. But even if those places go bankrupt, they will be bought out of bankruptcy by someone to fill the demand - which will return when this is over. I personally will try to jam in as many trips as possible if this slows down by July. A lot of pent up demand will fill every place that has been empty during the crisis.

OT: Chinatowns are collapsing around the country because most of them are nestled in cities—and rents are skyrocketing in most urban areas.

You can’t pay much rent by selling bamboo backscratchers and paper parasols. Why Chinatowns have been such tourist attractions, for so long, is hard to understand.

Back to topic: The tourism industry has become no more than an Instagram accessory. People are starting to realize that most tours just aren’t worth the money, inconvenience, and hardship. They'll start staying home more, or just visiting other locations nearby.

Actually a lot people from Asia seem to oddly love the Chinatown. I've seen buses stop there. Authentic food they like maybe. Like an American seeking a McDonald's in Paris.

Those saying that China will come out on top are forgetting that they will have no customers in the coming months, even if they are prepared to produce, which is unlikely. They're as fucked as everyone else.

Are you kidding, OP? Florida still can't get the kids off the beaches! In Broward County, just north of Miami-Dade and the hardest hit by the virus, they're not even closing the beaches until this Thursday.

I predict Florida will see a rapid recovery and very little drop in housing costs (if at all).

r30 "The British princess company?" Princess is based in California and is owned by Carnival, a US corporation. Carnival also owns Holland America, Cunard, and a bunch of other cruise lines.

If this maddness clams down before the all important late spring through early autumn tourist season things might not be so bad. This however will surely vary by location

New York City, Paris, London, Berlin, and a few other major international travel destinations will still be there, gorgeous as ever and so forth. Rates for hotels and other things may be discounted on case by case basis to get bookings, but never the less things will start to get back into routine.

People tend to have short memories. It wasn't long after WWII (by 1950's or so) that Americans who could were travelling to places in Europe that were open for business. This despite the carnage and horrors that were not even a distant memory.

It does sound cruel to say, but life goes on.....

Anyone who can psychologically process eating Chinese food right now is a sociopath. Nuff said.

[quote]Anyone who can psychologically process eating Chinese food right now is a sociopath. Nuff said.

WTF? What does Chinese food have to do with anything? Take your racism elsewhere.

[QUOTE]WTF? What does Chinese food have to do with anything? Take your racism elsewhere.

It was "Chinese food" (bats, snakes, pangolins) what caused this catastrophe.

The message at R13 brought to you by Putin via Whorelana Slutinskaya.

Florida, hawaii , california and Vegas will be fine, the rest of the US tourism ,fucked!!

As soon as this is over I'm planning trips to NYC and Newfoundland/The Maritimes.

I feel for Rome, and Italy, in general. It seems like everyone's living here is connected to tourism one way or the other. This will be devastating.

[quote]It was "Chinese food" (bats, snakes, pangolins) what caused this catastrophe.

God, the ignorance of gays on this site.

Good. I hate tourism. I hate tourists.

Domestic travel will pick up in a few weeks if things go the way I think they will, and I mean domestic travel in most of the countries of the world, and will be close to normal by the end of the year.

International travel will stay sluggish for longer. Borders will be closed, travel to and from certain nations will be limited by law, xenophobia will spike, and as long as there are any headlines anywhere, people will still be afraid of flying abroad and finding they can't get home. I myself will not go anywhere I can't drive home from, for a while.

R13 here. Just a couple of days off on the stock market prediction, but it is happening now. A bill will be agreed on probably today, and signed. We will find out how much the Democrats caved in a week or so. In a month, the people left out of the bill will suddenly realize that the bill had nothing for them. The prediction I made is now on a rocket sled, as fuck-face Trump Mc ass-clown is going to open up the country. If he does that, and I think he will, we will see a collapse of everything on a monumental scale. This time the stock market is going to tank into depression , and nothing the government can do will stop it, unless they basically buy all debt. Then the prediction stays on the same track. Summer of economic collapse, with the added bonus of virus running completely wild, fall puts it in hyper-drive, and Trump cancels election.

China wins.

Asshole at r47, did you ever stop to think about how many people work in tourism like myself and have no idea when they’ll work again?

I hope you DIE.

I have a feeling that when this is over and people start earning a little bit of money again, local tourism will flourish. People might still be skittish about flying halfway across the world, but cabin fever will have rendered people eager and thirsty to see faces and sights other than their immediate famiy and homes. Beaches, national parks, bowling alleys. Things like that.

My furlough begins April 4 for 60-90 days. I work in the tourism industry. Scary times for us, and other industries too. But everything is cyclical and we will, maybe not BOUNCE back, but will slowly climb out of this economic quagmire. Don’t hate on tourists, man R47. They keep me and millions of people employed.

Mass tourism is destructive and unsustainable. If this leads cities and national tourism authorities to rethink what kind of tourism they want and how to manage it, good. Maybe everyone can’t and shouldn’t go everywhere they want whenever they want to go.

I hope that everyone who works in the industry makes it through. The only reason I don't want the Trump Organization to tank is because of all the working people it will destroy. You know Trump is paying his employees a living wage.

You know Trump ISN'T paying his employees a living wage.

And it isn't just the lower/middle classes who won't afford to travel. Even those Upper Middle class people or even rich ones will lose money and probably won't be able to luxury travel for a year or two.

Billionaires or super rich people can't sustain an entire industry.

Various city forums are reporting there is a spike in homes for sale. Probably AirBnBs.

I can get a hotel in Manhattan now for around 45 dollars.

I do think that when things lighten up and restrictions are lifted, there will be a small boom in travel and tourism.

Whether people can afford it or not, because I can't be the only one who's so desperate to travel I'd go to Pigeon Forge or Branson, rather than stay home another day.

I have a friend who told me that his friends are snapping up the cheapo airfares right now, in anticipation of flying late this year.

movie theaters? maybe a thing of the past too.

first thing i'll do when it's over (i.e., there's a vaccine) is go to Italy for a month

All the theme parks in central Florida are going to get pummeled, Disney is already hurting.

"The Walt Disney Co. has raised roughly $6 billion through a debt offering, according to a company filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission on Friday. Disney offered six different notes, which will mature between 2025 and 2050, and have interest rates as low as 3.35% and as high as 4.7%. The debt notes range in value from $500 million and $1.75 billion."

R63 I'm wondering how the future will affect Disney World. Disneyland I believe is largely supported by those that live within driving distance, I think it's like 70% of the customer base. Disney World is an entirely different story. I guess the question is whether local residents visiting will be enough to support it until air travel picks back up, which all depends on how much disposable income people have on the other side of this.

r53, Go away you communist. We don't want you in my great America.

Come to New York.

Isn't this capitalism, though? BOOTSTRAPS, Disney!

Can't wait for countries to reopen their borders. Best time to travel. It'll be dirt cheap and not crowded as people will still be hesitant to venture out.

The tourism industry will bounce back, everything will bounce back. It's been two weeks people. Yes, we still have a lo way to go, but once this virus subsides people will go back to "normal". We are programmed to "move on". Sure no one wanted to get on a plane or go to NYC after 9/11, but they did...eventually. People were afraid to eat romaine lettuce when that outbreak happened, but they did again. Everyone needs to calm the fuck down, stay at home and be safe and remain positive.

R69, amen! Common sense seems to have disappeared lately.

R20 says: "By 2021 China will be humming along, we will be wreckage."

By 2021, China will be making plastic toys again. Western nations that foolishly allowed their own industries to be offshored to China are seeing the error of their ways. No one will trust China again for a long time because of their attempts to cover up the coronavirus outbreak when it began. That and their efforts to steal technology will be more fully revealed, making Western companies unwilling to share technology.

Tourism is fucked - no one's going to P-Town this summer as the beaches will in all likelihood be closed on the Cape. MLB won't have games until June, if then. Nobody is going to pack stadiums with 50,000 people and it won't be a problem because an awful lot of tourists and sports fans will be broke. Whoever said international travel will recover (let alone that NYC, London, and Paris will be open for business by late spring) is nuts for the same reason: discretionary spending will have fallen through the floor in the next few months. Europe was open for business after WWII (the French were in some minds celebrating their cowardice, advertising that Paris was undamaged and open for business because it hadn't been bombed like London) but most of the travel was business-related and in minuscule numbers compared to international tourism today. I'm looking at a 1951 issue of Holiday magazine and it's 95% domestic and North American destinations being advertised: "New Jersey: Vacation Host to the Nation" and "Massachusetts: the Bay State is the Play State" along with ads for the Missouri Pacific Railroad ("trains to modern, sunny Mexico"), "Nova Scotia - Canada's Atlantic Playground," and Pan Am service to the Caribbean

It pains me to see this, especially for those employed in tourism-related activities, but it'll take a long time to get back to normal.

traveling is a luxury, eating out in a restaurant is a luxury. going to a show on the great white way is a luxury. when we are removed from this emergency and we look up from counting sheets of toilet paper, we will see reduced incomes and limited job prospects= no fucking money for non necessities.

R72 gets it. People without money do not 'travel". The majority of US citizens will be poor, with no health insurance, and barely a job in 2021.

Did you happen to see the latest from the health insurance companies? Rates will increase 40% next year because of the virus.

R71 is right, their is going to be massive blowback against China. They created the crisis, and are now using it for a disgusting propaganda war. I hope everyone knows the tariffs aren't going away. Their whole point was not to bring back jobs to the US, it was to diversify our trade economy, particularly with Asia. Companies have already begun sourcing from other countries. This was a strategic weakening of Western reliance on one nation's manufacturing.

Half of orthodontists will go out of business as people can't smile through their face masks anymore. And probably lipsticks will become useless.

Whomever mass markets a transparent mask or one with a window with be a millionaire.

[quote] their is going to be massive blowback against China.

Oh, dear.

I'm in the hotel business. Furloughed indefinitely. We started getting warnings when large convention groups started cancelling as we were gearing up for Spring Break. Weddings, HS reunions cancelled or postponed. I have no clue when I can go back. Having to Door Dash right now.

Re: Chinese takeout, I deliver enough of it to think they are probably doing okay. Not near Chinatowns though.

I don't think the blowback to China will be that great - Americans need their cheap goods and are unwilling to spend more for quality, And now a lot of them can't even if they want to.

R78 in the hotel industry as well. Corporate based Learning+Development. On furlough was told 60-90 days. I fear that may be optimistic. Oh well....