Anyone watching “Little Fires Everywhere” on Hulu?

I can't take Reese Witherspoon. So sorry, it's a no from me. Watching Picard, it's pretty good.

stop hyping this crap, PR flack.

R2 you all hype Big Little Lies to death, which was fine. This is another one in that same category as BLL

A great watch while Quarantined

Someone on Twitter said "Time has ravaged him" and I was about to reply "Oooh gurl then I'm next!"

Is it sophisticated camp like the first season of Big Little Lies or trashy camp like the second season of Big Little Lies?

R6 kind of a mix of both, but more season one of BLL than two

I've grown to love Reese Witherspoon. I will watch.

It’s set in 1997. And it’s great

Whoever the fools that don't like Reese Witherspoon are....watch "Freeway" and get back to us.

Seen it. A self involved mean phoney is all she is now. She's one of those actresses like Jennifer Aniston that is shoved down our throat.

Watched the first three episodes last night and I liked it. I thought the Hulu adaptation should have had Reese's character become disfigured in the fire lol.

I like it so far, though they are pushing Mia in a weird direction that wasn't really there in the book.

Yes. I’m not understanding why they are pushing Mia’s character into such an odd direction. I don’t like that. But I do like the show so far. It’s been fun to watch.

Today we get episode 4.

Anyone have a link to the episodes? I don't have Hulu.

I am watching episode 4 and I am annoyed with Pearl.... Tripp is a no good piece of white entitled shit. I dont get the love.

Also, Mia's obsession with that Chinese bitch and her kid is annoying.

R17, but teen girls tend to be like that, especially a poor one.

I like the show more now that Mia and Elena are at odds.

Also, loved the line “You don’t make good choices, you had good choices.”

I’m guessing it’s a frau show because some fraus at work were oohing and ahhing over it.

R19 Big Little Lies is a frau show also and you all did the same as those fraus

I’m confused about them having four kids in high school, that means she basically had a baby and then turned around and got pregnant right away three times? I know her editor made some quip about how she was out on maternity leave so much, but having a kid in each year in high school seems a bit preposterous?

Be honest, how many people thought when the brothers were hanging watching TV it was going to turn into a Brother Crush storyline?

R21 it’s believable. Many people have their kids back to back so theyre all close in age.

Growing up we had a bitch neighbor across the street whose 3 kids were close in age. The two younger ones were only 10 months apart.

[Quote] Many people have their kids back to back so theyre all close in age.

Or they're just addicted to being pregnant.

[quote]I’m confused about them having four kids in high school, that means she basically had a baby and then turned around and got pregnant right away three times? I know her editor made some quip about how she was out on maternity leave so much, but having a kid in each year in high school seems a bit preposterous?

The ages of kids threw me off and the youngest Izzy seems more like a middle school kid than high school. When it comes to writing, it would have made more sense if the older two kids were twins and seniors in high school.

Anna Sophia Robb will be playing Young Elena in episodes 5 and 6. I wonder if she's playing a teen Elena or a twenty something Elena who starts having kids and is secretly miserable as fuck.

Each kid is one year apart.

Senior

Junior

Sophomore

Freshman

Not hard to get.

It seems like Reese’s character would be one of those mothers who insisted on breast feeding, for the controlling nature over her children alone. For most women who do breast feed consistently ovulation tends not to return for more than six months after birth. Though pregnancy can happen before that, but three times is a lot, making her ultra fertile. Any book readers here who can shed light on this if it’s covered in the story?

Otherwise having four high schoolers seems like a plot device, an oldest senior sister for Pearl to be in awe of and want to be in her circle, a junior jock boy for her to crush on, a sophomore boy for her to be besties with and a freshman girl who ends up being a rival for her mother’s affection. And one does understand Izzy’s reluctance to go to High School with her three over achieving siblings all being there at the same time who have bound to have had every teacher she encounters and the for her to inevitably be compared to them.

As someone mention it would have made more sense for the oldest boy and girl to be twins at least.

This is some campy stuff. Reese and Kerry are serving us a master class in bad acting. None of the characters feel authentic. Kerry's Asian friend is hilariously over the top. Joshua Jackson seems repulsed by Reese.

[quote]Joshua Jackson seems repulsed by Reese.

I thought it fit well with character. He seemed up fed up with the wife's attitude regarding Mia, Izzy, and other things in the household.

Yes. The husband just seems tired of Elena’s attitude and antics.

She is awful. Even has a scheduled day and time for sex.

The Elena character on Little Fires Everywhere makes annoying Madeline from Big Little Lies seem likable.

Chloe Fineman from SNL does a good Witherspoon impersonation. Too bad that show is off for awhile because Little Fires Every parody sketch would be fun.

The guy playing Tripp is a hot piece of ass.

I don’t find him hot

R34 I don't either. He has psycho eyes.

R34 I don't either. He has psycho eyes.

R11 Mmm, I was all for seeing him limped dicked after trying to fuck that girl hoping it’s guys he really wants.

He's playing the dumb jock perfectly.

He’s not cute. And annoying. And boring.

His nerdy brother is way cuter.

It really does seem that Reese is playing a character she's played before

And Kerry is playing the working class Olivia Pope.

So they're playing their greatest hits.

Why was Pearl so done up this past episode? Is it because of who she’s hanging with now? She is so cute and sweet but plain and now she has makeup on and her hair done in beautiful curls

To show that she's really trying to be one of the Richardsons.

The guy playing Tripp was reminding me of someone, now I realize who - Emilio Estevez

He looks nothing like Estevez

[quote]I’m confused about them having four kids in high school, that means she basically had a baby and then turned around and got pregnant right away three times? I know her editor made some quip about how she was out on maternity leave so much, but having a kid in each year in high school seems a bit preposterous?

Uh huh.

I knew several kids in HS where the mom shat out a kid a year for several years.

Yes. A woman can have kids back to back. I don’t know why there is confusion.

I think it will be revealed that having those four kids back to back fucked up Elena mentally and sort of explains why she's is controlling nut case.

She probably had them back to back because she is controlling.

Ugh, I’m only 20 minutes into the episode, but if Pearl’s father is Jamie the reporters father this show will reach new outrageousness.

Poor cute little AnnaSophia Robb had to play the young version of Reese Witherchin. At least, this was a bit better than when she played young Carrie Bradshaw for that canned CW show.

The lesbian daughter annoys the shit out of me. She is the Lens Dunham of her generation.

R53 I don't like her either. The only teen characters that I sort of like are Pearl and Moody.

I wonder this show has been doing with viewership. If it's doing well, I could see Hulu pulling an HBO move and announce a second season and we would still have to deal with annoying edgy lesbo Izzy. Some viewers who read the book might be down for a season 2 because there was some hate towards writer Celeste Ng for how it ended.

I like Izzy more than the two other siblings that aren’t Moody.

I hope there isn't a long Moody/Tripp punch fest when it comes revealed that Trip and Pearl fucked.

I've watched the first episode. Witherspoon is in her element as a type-A mom. But, I don't buy her and Jackson as parents of four teenagers. I don't like the teenage romance stuff either. The series goes out of its way to place itself in the mid-90s. It's like a more insidious version of The Blind Side. I'll watch another episode to see where this goes.

I can't stand the way Kerry Washington holds her mouth, she always has a snarl or a stank face

I watched episodes 2 and 3 and I think it's better after a wonky first episode.

The leg shaving scene was really tender and sweet. You see how much Witherspoon's youngest daughter is trying to fit in and how it pleases the mother, all the while foreshadowing what is to come. The eldest daughter is perfect casting. Witherspoon can do her role sleepwalking, but she's quite enjoyable and campy at times. I think she was better in The Morning Show, though. Rosemarie DeWitt was good as well.

I concur that Washington only has one expression in general, but the vitriol expressed towards her in this thread is gross.

The teenage material has been handled better in My So Called Life. And that was 26 years ago. Depicting roughly the same era, give or take a few years.

The "that's my baby" scene was over-the-top.

I'm getting sick of the covers on the soundtrack. Just pay the money for the damn originals.

I'm caught up. Damn, this is messy. But, I'm compelled to see it through.

The use of 90s covers is so annoying. I like the violin rendition of You Oughta Know, but it didn't fit whatsoever.

I disliked this flashback episode with the Mia scenes. For some weird reason, I thought the flashback scenes with Elena were better.

I hate most flashback scenes on shows. They never cast actors that actually look like the adult actors.

The casting of AnnaSophia Robb as young Elena wasn't too bad.

Is Linda supposed to be the same age as Elena? In the 90s scenes, Elena still looks a bit youthful while Linda looks a bit older.

I can be the same age as you and look older.

Elena's ex boyfriend was hot, I would have done him.

I thought Ng was considered a literary author, but this last episode seems to push her into the Danielle Steel and Judith Krantz level.

I actually thought the flashback episode was really good, although weirdly placed in the sequence.

Both the actresses captured the characters really well.

[quote] I thought Ng was considered a literary author, but this last episode seems to push her into the Danielle Steel and Judith Krantz level.

Curious to know what parts made you think that.

I say that because a LOT of this episode was not in the book.

The flashback episode actually made me hate Mia more than Elena. She previously lied to Peal about her father not wanting to be a parent. He wanted a child and I'm curious if he pops towards the end of the series.

For the soap fans out there watching.....

A bit "meta" that Elena's mom, played by a former soap actress (Jessica Tuck) was watching All My Children when Elena came to see her.

Were Anna Sophia Robb and Lily Rose Depp separated at birth? They look like they could play twins.

Binging it now. It is SO GOOD.

R72 it is. I didn’t think I would enjoy it as much as I have been.

I want Joshua Jackson to fuck me, hard wet and raw.

Lol that scene of him in his tighty whities in episode 1 was quite delicious. Looks like he’s carrying some prime meat.

Joshua Jackson looks so frumpy in this.

Not really

“Put on the FUCKING Keds!”

Ugh, I just don’t know what I’m to feel about this story. I’m uncomfortable that it’s whiteys against the minorities, but just about everyone is repellent, with the exception being perhaps Moody and Izzy. It certainly seems like there are many, many possible people who could be the firestarters at this point, but I don’t see it being a satisfying ending no matter who it is. Maybe if it’s the adoptive mother who looses the baby and wants to get back at them? And she’s such a terrible actress, I can only guess she was hired to make Witherspoon and Washington look better by comparison, so her being the bad one might pay off?

I can't stand the two women's acting.

Little Feces Everywhere.

I CAN'T with Kerry Washington. Not even with prayer.

Kerry is so weird in this. Reese has frau down to a T between this BLL. I didn't expect her ex-boyfriend to not fuck her. New episode today!

Reese's character is basically the same as the one in BLL. Kerry looks like she is constipated all the time. I only continue to watch this for Joshua Jackson. I can't believe that bitch only has sex with him twice a week. I would have milked him dry.

Most people in their 40s aren’t fucking like rabbits.

Why does the hot ex boyfriend Jamie hate her so much? I wasn't paying attention.

Because she has been stringing him along over the decades, R86.

I don’t think he hates her. He just moved on.

I have to say, as far as melodramas go, this is an EXCELLENT one.

[quote]I’m uncomfortable that it’s whiteys against the minorities, but just about everyone is repellent

I agree. It has bugged me how this show has tried to make Mia the hero and Bebe sympathetic. I don't find Mia to be a hero and she's piece a shit for the whole thing with Pearl. I loved the scene of Pearl ripping her apart regarding the money from the photo sale. I get that some people end up in poverty due to job loss, generational issues, lack of education or job opportunities. illness, medical debt and similar things. Mia is a different story though. She could have kept her end of the bargain with the Ryans and finished her education.

I don’t feel the show paints MIA as a hero though. I think the show depicts both women as both good and bad, like real people.

I've read somewhere that Mia in the the book isn't even black. This show just turns it into a race thing.

R92 um Mia’s race is unspecified in the book. Intentionally so that you create the image you have for her in your mind. So be quiet.

R93 Be quiet? This is a fucking message board. Go back to your frau book club Reese Witherspoon. Here is the quote from the author Celeste Ng:

"A big part of it, for me, is acknowledging what I don't know. I've grown up in white communities my whole life, and like most people of color in the United States, I have a pretty good understanding of what it's like to be white in America — so I feel comfortable writing characters who are white. On the other hand, I don't claim to know what it's like to be black in America. I can imagine some aspects of it, but I don't feel I know that experience well enough to write about it. That's part of why I didn't write Mia as a black woman, as I mentioned above..."

So no Mia isn't black in the book. This show turns it into a race thing.

One of the weird things is that at the end of the 1990s the USA was flooded with Chinese girl adoptees, if that’s what the adopting mother wanted she had easy access with her wealth and would not have needed to choose a problematic abandoned child. And with their wealth and access to lawyers, why didn’t they investigate and clear up any issues at the start? And there’s been nothing said of the father, is he going to show up at the eleven hour and make his own claims?

When will this trend of whiney suicide pop remakes of 80s and 90s tunes playing over a montage at the end of a tv episode go out of style?

R94 again, shut the fuck up whitey.

The book does not say what her race is. The author envisions the character as white, but she did not make the character white in the book and left her for everyone to have their own vision of what she is.

Reese did not make the show off of what the author envisions the character as but what she sees the character as. In her mind she envisioned a struggling Black woman.

Did anyone else think Elena's outfit for the Christmas card looked more 80s than 90s?

Joshua Jackson obviously stuffed his underwear.

Reese has officially been type cast.

Some people still wore their 80s clothing in the 90s dude

R100 she is casting herself in these roles.

R97 There is a big difference between not mentioning her race in the book and making racial issues so front and centered in the show, as if Mia is a terrible mother because she is an awful person but because she is a single black mom.

And why are so obsessed with this show anyway? Almost 1/3 of the posts are from you. Are you ostracized by your frau book club because you are such a cunt?

So, in the book what is it about Pearl’s Life that Lexie steals as her essay, since it’s not about her being dismissed by being Black and what is the tension between her and her boyfriend. Again assuming he’s not Black in the book as well?

In what world is the source material ever exactly the same as the adaptation? Things are always changed.

Get over it. This is closer to its source material than most other adaptations

Reese's Mommie Dearest moment

Thank you!

Episode 7 was masterful. I think this show is gonna take home a shitload of awards.

Getting really good! I liked episodes 6 & 7. I feel like the long slog paid off.

And Anne-Sophia Robb did a spot-on impersonation of Reese! Young Mia was good as well!

And I loved Reese's "put the fucking sweater on" omg! She was born to deliver that line.

Though, the soft-ballad guitar-strum covers of 1990s music was overplayed by the end of Episode 1.

I hope Kerry Washington gets snubbed at the Emmys. I wonder if Mrs. America and The Undoing will edge out Little Fires Everywhere when nominations roll around.

I would say so, R110. It's Cate Blanchett's first major foray into one of these streaming series. And the reviews have been outstanding. LFE got off to a rocky start, even though it ended up being good in the end.

It's just very weirdly paced. They padded those episodes in the middle with young Elena and Mia. They could have cut that down to one episode.

I agree, R112. However, I felt Ep. 6, which mostly featured the younger versions, was a solid episode. The previous flashbacks at various points in the first five episodes could have all been employed better for sure.

[quote] Kerry's Asian friend is hilariously over the top.

They picked her from the same casting session that found this wonder.

Enjoyed the final episode tonight, although the kids burning down the house seemed far fetched.

I didn't like the change from the book regarding the fire.

I also hope Kerry Washington doesn't get an Emmy nomination for this show. She was awful and I thought she was overrated when she got Emmy nominations for Scandal.

Wow. Episode 8 was outstanding. Melodramatic and way too on-the-nose for sure (I mean, the fire, lmao), but so affecting. It ended up with a bang.

Washington finally came into her own. She killed it. I hope her and Witherspoon both get nominated.

Great TV.

I kind of like how the story is all "Fuck the better life, I'm going to raise MY child in squalor."

Ironic that it's the gay kid who has to forge her own path.

I liked the photos at the end. Really nice touch.

I've never seen a bumper sticker come off a car so easily. Have they changed so this is possible.

Pretty badass that the three (good) kids are the ones who set the fire, didn’t see that coming. The child actors in this were across the board excellent. I wouldn’t be surprised if Reese, as a former child actor, knows a thing or two about how to create an environment that works to their advantage and gets remarkable performances from young people.

And she didn’t flinch in being the character that says by far the worst thing that anyone could say. I still wish that they would have hired competent actresses to play the adoptive and bio mothers of the baby, I can only think they were chosen to bolster the performances of Reece and Kerry, who in a way may have overextended their power as producers to do so.

I liked Kerry in this at times and disliked at others.

She is good with certain roles but serious drama isn’t one. She did fine though.

I liked her performance in Scandal and 100% understand and support her Emmy nom for that series. She was the first black woman to headline a major series and it not be a “black show” like Empire in decades.

Any word on Reese's next frau novel adaptation?

It's Daisy Jones and the Six.

They should have made it more clear whose house Mia and Pearl ended up at. I actually read some reviews and one said it was the Ryans (the surrogate couple) and one said the grandparents.

I just finished episode 7, and Kerry Washington was phenomenal in that episode. I usually don’t care for her but she was wonderful in this episode. He little chat with Izzy was great.

Elena is pure evil frau.

R123, I took it to mean the grandparents. Pearl was pretty direct with her mother towards the end that she didn't need to meet the surrogate couple.

I could be wrong but I thought the surrogate couple also still lived in NYC. And Mia and Pearl were clearly out in the suburbs.

R125 I think the surrogate couple did live in NYC or somewhere nearby.

I didn't like Mia getting a somewhat happy ending. She wasn't as bad as Elena. But, I still think she's a piece of shit for screwing over Pearl's father and his wife.

I'm probably in the minority but I think Witherspoon deserves an Emmy nomination more than Washington. But, I'm rooting for more Zoe Kazan from The Plot Against America to get a nomination over Witherspoon or Washington. Kazan's character on that show was very likable mother figured compared to the characters played by Washington and Witherspoon.

I want both Witherspoon and Washington to be nominated, and specifically for episodes 7 and 8. Witherspoon went full unhinged in these two final episodes and Washington FINALLY shined bright, especially in the scene with Izzy where she is telling her it gets better, and the moment where she is reading what Pearl wrote in the car and she’s crying.

I enjoyed a lot of the series so much but too much of the final episode was eye-rolling, with plot developments right out of a 70s soap opera (the scene in the abortion doctor's office with the convenient file sitting on the credenza). I just read the Wikipedia description of the book and it ends a lot differently. I wonder how these authors feel when their work is adapted for the screen and the screenwriters change things up like they do. It's almost like they're saying "you screwed up the ending of your own book...I'll show you what should've happened"!

R129 they don’t have much say in it since they sold their work to them.

The three teens setting the fire was super cringy.

It would’ve been much better if the boys went out after Izzy and Lexie was left all alone and then Lexie set it herself.

I found it odd that all 3 kids set the house on fire. Tripp would have never done that. Spoiled mamas boy that he is.

Lexie was over it at that point, as were Moody and Izzy. Them starting the fire was one thing, but Tripp? Lmaooo

R129 Author Celeste Ng has a producer credit on the show and has done interviews alongside the actresses. She was probably told ahead of time about the change to the ending.

[quote]It would’ve been much better if the boys went out after Izzy and Lexie was left all alone and then Lexie set it herself.

This would have been a better ending.

R133 they gave her a credit, it was in her contract. She didn’t get to say what the changes would be as she sold the rights to her book to Reese.

Too bad there won't be a season 2. Season 2 could be set in 2016, and Elena now in her 60s would be a hardcore Trump supporter and Izzy would be living in some hippie lesbian commune.

R136 how do you know there won’t be a season 2?

I just watched the latest episode. My god was it good. Kerry and Reese both deserve Emmy nods, and I though Joshua shined as well.

[quote] It would’ve been much better if the boys went out after Izzy and Lexie was left all alone and then Lexie set it herself.

I agree. I loved this show (I mean I really loved it) but to have the oldest two children turn instantly was a bit over the top. I also don’t think Moody would have aligned himself with Trip so readily.

I love how they set the stage for it all by making Moody into an all-out unhinged psychopath toward the end. LOL.

This was great melodrama. Better than anything by Cheever.

Tripp’s motivation was his horror at what his mother said to Izzy.

Tripp’s motivation was his horror at what his mother said to Izzy.

Tripp’s motivation was his horror at what his mother said to Izzy.

What was Tripp's motivation?

The entire teen cast was tremendous!

I don't buy that Tripp would be that upset about what his mom said to Izzy either

R139 Moody was not a psychopath at all. Him being upset that Pearl and Tripp fucked isn’t being a psycho.

I mean, he wasn’t, but they definitely made him a little unhinged in the end there

Moody was the only one I actually liked. I can't blame him for being ticked at Pearl for not being honest and also his brother for going after the girl that he knew Moody was crazy about. Doesn't make him a psycho.

Actually that makes him sane. I think anyone would be angry. If you aren’t then you’re devoid of feeling.

Teens are idiotic hormone bombs.

Reese Witherspoon looks increasingly Indonesian with age.

R148 It was the same with me. I only liked Moody out of Elena's spawn.

She doesn’t look Asian

I bet Reese's next limited series role will be one where she's plays a ventilator dependent quadriplegic wife and mother . She'll do it to get the rid the awful mom typecast.

I want Reese to not cast herself for ONCE and just produce and stay behind the camera.

She did with Gone Girl but someone had to convince her to cast someone else as Amy

R155 She also stayed behind the camera for Apple TV+ show Truth Be Told and the movie Lucy and the Sky.

Let’s not forget the straight-to-video Legally Blondes starring the Rosso twins. Actually, let’s forget.

And I didn’t realise she produced Lucy in the Sky. I wonder if she was pro or anti-diaper scene.

Chalk me up as another viewer who was really digging the show until the finale just turned ridiculous. I don't believe it was set up in any way that those three kids would do what they did. What a shame. It was a real good soap opera up to that point.

Tripp, Lexie and Moody would never have done that. Izzy is the only one that would have burnt the house down.

I posted this in the other LFE thread. Season 2 is going to have Elena's mother come to town to search for answers as to why her daughter's life fell apart. Meryl Streep joins the cast.

Season 2 won’t have a source material and will be messy like BLL

R158 I agree, I hated the changes to the fire scene.

This interview with the showrunner implies there won't be a season 2.

R159, I disagree. I think Lexi would’ve done it by herself. She had been in a messed up headspace and after she confessed to Elena and Elena still ignored her, it would’ve been believable to have her go out of the way to prove she was the messed up daughter. Plus, it would’ve given her a great story for Harvard.

It’s the boys whom I don’t see burning down the house. Tripp was way too spoiled and pampered to throw it away, and Moody was too much of a good boy to do that.

Lexie was in a fucked op mental state though so she’s believable.

Reese really does excel at characters you want to punch in the face.

R134 A better ending would have been Elena starting the fire , after finding divorce papers in Bill’s office. The three “good” kids doing it seemed far fetched as was Elena’s mini me(Lexie) coming for Izzie’s defense when she had been a complete cunt to her just prior.

Elena was the one crazy enough to do something like that (besides Izzie)

R165 She mastered that with Tracy Flick and all she does is tweak a bit for every new character.

Tiffany Boone was a better Mia. She managed to make the cold and offputting Mia character likeable as well where Kerry Washington did not.

R168 I liked Boone's performance in the flashback episode. I also don't think Kerry Washington did anything award worthy on this show. But, she'lll get nominated based on name recognition.

Oh good, just what the world needs — another girl-danger drama.

Washington was no worse or better than Witherspoon, who has played this same role before.

Kerry's Mia annoyed the fuck out of me. It was almost like she was possessed.

R172 I thought they were gonna reveal she was a crackhead but she just smoked pot. Washington’s acting was interesting..

Mia's art sucks.

R174 Well, she didn't finish art school.

I'm not clear on what happened with Izzy. Was she with Mia and Pearl? Did they drop her off somewhere? Did she dream that? WTF?

R176 No, she wasn't with Mia and Pearl. She ran away and was dreaming about them picking her up.

I just the feeling from that scene that Izzy will eventually end up in a terrible situation.

Izzy is better off without her evil mom

I don’t believe for a second that Lexi would be that upset about what Elena said to Izzy

This ended like it was sloppily written by some dumb 15 year old

Idk what Tripp’s relationship with Izzy was like, but the only one that truly would be angry about Elenas words would be Moody.

Of course Jenna told the influencers that she's dating Adam! It was the cunty thing to do!

Whoops, wrong thread!

I’m watching it now. Uneven, but some of it is really good. Does Reese Witherspoon realize how unlikable she is? She must, right? She keeps producing projects for herself to play all these unlikable women.

Witherspoon is who she is. Ever since "Do you know who I am?"'ing that police officer, her work has gotten better and her career has improved. She's playing to her strengths. She's going back to her Tracy Flick roots.

Is she still a terrible person in real life? Well, leopards and changing spots, as they say.

I'll admit that I wish Reese Witherspoon would have played Amy in Gone Girl instead of Rosamund Pike. Reese would have portrayed the charming cool girl better than Pike.

I didn't have too much of a problem liking Witherspoon, but I couldn't bring myself to like Kerry Washington. That overacting was ridiculous. And why did Mia have to be mean to everyone all the time?

I agree, Washington overacted throughout the series. The actress who played Young Mia was much better.

Washington did fine. She was great the final 2 episodes.

But there were eight episodes she was in.

Completely disagree. I thought Washington was great and couldn’t stand the young version of her, who looked absolutely nothing like her. That actress also looked absolutely nothing like Nicole Beharie, whom she was supposed to resemble so much that McWoke couldn’t stop staring at her, followed her & proposed she carry his child. I did think she managed to capture a good deal of Washington’s mannerisms, enough that it helped to make up of the complete lack of resemblance but there was just no way to reconcile those two faces. AnnaSophie Robb also did a good job playing Reese and I bought the resemblance a bit more. That eldest daughter was perfect casting as a hybrid of Fug’s Creek & Reese.

Reese is busy promoting this book now, so she may make this a movie or show next.

R192 She has a fivehead. Receding hairline?

Hideous, obese, invirg fraus hate beautiful women: see every LSA invader thread about Markle, Jolie, now Washington, etc.

Kerry had the same two or three expressions the entire show. And I can't believe people think Elena is worse than Mia--Mia basically stole someone's baby. The conversation between Mia and Pearl about that made no sense. After resenting her mother, she just forgives Mia almost instantaneously for stealing her away from her real parents with who she would have had a much better life with? Completely ridiculous. Both Mia and Bebe deserved to be punished for their behavior yet Elena got the worst doled out to her.

How do we know Pearl would live a better life with the others? Because they have money? That means shit.

My point is that Mia shows up and is a fucking bitch to everyone, acting like she is poor and gets pissed off when Elena wants to be nice to her in any way. Elena tries many different approaches with Mia and none of them are right. You can't win with Mia. But then you find out that she has no reason to act so high and mighty because she is no better than anyone else. At least Elena was nice to people.

Because she saw through Elena’s phony kindness and saw her for what she is.

I'll take someone being phony over someone stealing my child. Just saying.

Oh, and she tries to help another baby kidnapper out (Bebe).

R195 I thought Elena was awful. but Mia wasn't any better. On reddit, a couple of Facebook groups, and twitter, most people trash Elena and rarely point out Mia's flaws.

I haven't read the book. I looked at reviews on Amazon and someone said in their review that they didn't get why Mia was seen as a hero in the book and that she was a mess like Elena.

While it's possible Pearl might have had a crappy life with the NYC couple. It was still crappy on Mia's part to lie about a miscarriage and lying to Pearl that the father didn't want to be a parent. I'll admit that I had sympathy for the NYC couple because the wife seemed quite sad about not being able to have children. I also sympathized with Linda and Mark too when the baby was taken again.

R201, agreed. It seemed like Mia was just a huge bitch to a lot of people for no reason. And yet, she's supposed to be the heroine? I never once empathized with her. I don't see Elena as being completely horrible but she is absolutely self-absorbed and it caused large problems with her kids. But let's be honest, those kind of women are a dime-a-dozen in upper-middle class suburbia. Neither Mia nor Bebe are portrayed well enough for the audience to be sympathetic to them. And that ending with Bebe taking her baby from Mark and Linda's really angered me. She gave up her right to be a parent when she left her kid outside. Mark and Linda adopted her fair and square. Therefore, Bebe has no right to the baby. And Mia taking her side is obvious--one baby stealer supporting another.

Another thing that bugged me was Izzy feeling sorry for Bebe and ignoring the fact that baby could froze to death.

[quote]Reese is busy promoting this book now, so she may make this a movie or show next.

If she adapts that into a movie or show, it will probably be a project where she stays behind the camera.

[quote] Another thing that bugged me was Izzy feeling sorry for Bebe and ignoring the fact that baby could froze to death.

Yeah, apparently nobody cared about that. Which was weird. Izzy was probably a contrarian just because she came from such a conservative, upper-middle class, uptight mom. Part of the middle school/high school phase of life.

Or she was herself. A liberal open minded lesbian.

There's nothing open-minded about feeling bad for a person who left their child out to freeze in the cold all alone. Or defending Bebe just because she's poor and Mark and Linda were rich. That was literally her attitude--"they just buy things!". No, they legally adopted her, there's nothing wrong or immoral about htat.

Bebe left the kid with reason. Quit acting like you don’t know the backstory.

White fraus always consider black women bitches if they don't act like mammies. There was nothing wrong with Mia's demeanor. She was standoffish, for obvious reasons; like anyone with a brain, she had little patience for Frau Patrol's self-congratulatory bullshit; and she was enormously generous to Izzy, to Bebe, and even to Lexi, who deserved nothing. She agreed to stay in that horrible town because she saw her daughter was happy there, even though the place had little to offer her.

The couple in NYC taking advantage of a young, broke virgin did not seem like they'd make great parents to me, given their complete lack of ethics. I did think it was fucked up that the show demonized DeWitt, since neither she nor her husband had any way of knowing that the baby's mother was alive, regretted her decision, lived in town, etc. As far as they knew, the placement and possible adoption was on the up and up. The only villain in this story is Elena and that was obvious from her first appearance on screen. I do have to wonder why Reese keeps casting herself as irredeemable cunts, though.

Mia's armpits stink.

Sad.

Can we see Pacey in his Dad briefs again! Still the best part so far.

I will forever love Reese Witherspoon for Wild (and Freeway and Election) so I will give this a look