Anyone else not believing China’s New Numbers?

I hope they're telling the truth, because that would give me hope that all this shit we're doing might actually help stop its spread.

Then again, we're talking about China, so everything must be taken with a grain of rice.

Agreed OP.

I never believed the Chinese numbers once I saw how other governments started to react to virus once it escaped China. The Chinese Communist government has been notorious liars since their ascendancy, lying about the murder and starvation of tens of millions. You think we should believe them now? Also, if you've worked for Asians, you understand how they must always save face, they also can never say no or be direct, which is infuriating and frustrating for a westerner.

They’re lying.

Probably shipped all the sick to one of their never-lived-in, centrally planned cities.

What about those Muslims in the re-education camps? All dead?

Jealous?

Of course those numbers are bullshit and we might never know the real ones unless some brave, rogue individual in China risks life by providing them to the outside world.

I believe South Korea's numbers over China's.

I believe Trump’s over anyone else’s.

Italy isn’t lying. They literally cried out for help and most of the world ignored them.

Trump has Jared on it..... looking to profit.

The Chinese are liars. Next.

R10 the trumps and kushners are profiteers.

fuck no!

Korea's numbers have decreased as well. I don't think they are lying.

While I doubt that they had NO new cases, I do think it's in decline.. We have seen it in South Korea and several smaller European states like Denmark.

I can kinda believe there are no new cases in Wuhan but I'm not so sure about the rest of China. Guess there's not much testing going on in other parts of the country then.

The virus doesn’t care whether you believe or not

What is happening in Russia? We never hear about it. Why has the virus skipped over Russia?

yes, it skipped over Russia.

Just like AIDS did.

I still think it was made in China. Whether it was being used for a purpose or if it was just an accident I think it was man made. If true wouldn't they have known how to counteract it? I wondered if they had come up with something to stop it but can't share it because then everyone would know that they had created it. I think they knew immediately what had been released which was why they shut everything down. This is only my theory

R18 a few people I know mentioned the same thing. They asked why we don’t hear about Russia or Germany

They lied for months, kept it hidden. Most of the country is poor people without insurance, proper nutrition or cleanliness. Do the math.

Pence's aide just tested positive for the coronavirus. They immediately claimed neither Pence or Trump had close contact with him.

I don't believe China's, Russia's, or North Korea's numbers, or our own (the U.S.).

I wonder if the Covid virus in Italy is a more virulent strain. Did they run tests to compare and identify?

Up to the minute information by country about Wuflu infections, deaths and recoveries. China today (21 Mar) reported 36 new cases of Wuflu and 6 deaths. Spain today reported 61 new cases.

Information rather than having an ignorant rant. Unless of course that is the purpose of this thread and its posters.

You are talking shit r20 and people like you really need to shut the fuck up right now. The virus is not man-made, it's a transfer from an animal to a human that happened in China, but it's not some lab-made conspiracy.

What r14 said. This virus can be contained. Other countries have reported the same thing.

R25, they've run tons of tests in Italy. What they've discovered is that Patient Zero is most likely a man who travelled from Munich and who had been infected in that city by a Chinese woman from Shanghai. I think I've read somewhere else, not at the link, that the infected person from Munich may have been infected not directly from the Chinese woman but from someone else she had infected.

This was around 19-22 January, when no one in Europe was thinking much at all about this virus coming over here or knew much about it. The person from Munich was asymptomatic when he travelled to northern Italy so he could have infected 100s of people before starting to feel ill.

With Italy, I think it's just bad luck that they got hit so hard, althouh there are several plausible reasons why they did. Aside from the general elderly population, the places that were really struck were these little towns that have even older populations. There are also more intergenerational households in Italy, so healthier younger people who might only have had mild symptoms could have passed it on to their grandparents without knowing.

Bavaria, the region where Munich is located, is the hardest hit in Germany. Germany took a slightly different strategy of isolating people with symptoms from early on and also has the second-highest number of ventilators in the world so they have probably been able to flatten the curve more easily but from what I've read German virologists believe that their numbers will also pick up and eventually converge with those of other countries.

I pray that it is true.

I believe them because Trump said he had a close relationship with their leader. Trump loves those Dictator types, like Putin. He wants to be one of gem. He does not want to hear our real numbers.

r27 and yet you have as much proof as I do ....r20

What's interesting is that the first place in Europe affected by the Black Death was also northern Italy (Genoa). In the 14th century northern Italy was a major center of trade. The disease is thought to have entered via a vessel coming from Caffa in the Crimea. The black death jumped from animals to humans. It's extremely common. There's no need for a sinister government laboratory to explain the origins of the coronavirus. In fact, those explanations are a leading sign of conspiratorial thinking (e.g. retardation).

I hope their numbers are right because it would be something optimistic. That we and other countries could figure this out too.

But I don't believe them. They were already declaring victory 2 weeks ago, and now have immediately rushed to offering advice and supplies and claiming their model is the best. This virus did great damage to their international reputation and I have no doubt they'd lie about everything to try and change that.

you should check Reddit and Twitter, there are a few Americans still living in Wuhan, according to their latest updates, they are allowed to go out now, so I believe it's indeed getting better in Wuhan or China.

Keep those Americans there.

R36 They probably prefer staying in Wuhan now than in anywhere in the US.

Hopefully this changes how travel is done. People need to stop bouncing around the world and bringing shit back.

R32, you have no proof whatsoever and your theory comes from your butt, whereas every scientist in the world who has studied this virus will tell you it's not man-made in a lab.

R34, I don't think the Chinese are declaring victory. They will be the first to tell you that you can only significantly reduce the number of infections by putting millions of people under lockdown, which is not an ideal situation.

r39 we'll see.......

I don’t believe they had less cases than Italy. Liars.

I've actually been noticing that the Chinese numbers have been going up slightly. A week or so ago their daily new cases bottomed out at 11; the last few days it's been in the 30s (39 reported today). In one article I read the Chinese government asserted that all new cases now were of people traveling into China who'd been infected elsewhere; not sure whether I believe that.

[quote] Then again, we're talking about China, so everything must be taken with a morsel of live bat.

FIFY

Me.

I think the other world leaders (especially Trump) has warned them that if the stock markets don't get some positive news from somewhere we could be in another depression.

It’s possible if they simply shot everybody who was sick.

Stop calling it Wuflu. That's racist and shows your ignorance.

I cant tell if R47 is kidding.

[quote]Up to the minute information by country about Wuflu infections, deaths and recoveries. Information rather than having an ignorant rant.

Ironic that someone calling it the Wuflu is calling others ignorant.

If they were truly recovering then most in Wuhan and the rest of China would be back at work. Aerial pictures of the atmosphere from space do not lie. Instead they still show massive cremations.

Russia immediately shut the border with China and restricted foreign travel. Those disobeying quarantine orders were threatened with heavy fines and jail terms. Putin doesn't play.

R47, Nobody gives a shit currently about micro-aggressions.

[quote]Ironic that someone calling it the Wuflu is calling others ignorant.

R49 FRAU!!

They did it right. Now they are afraid Westerners are going to bring it back over.

Time to complete that Great Wall?

[Quote]Aerial pictures of the atmosphere from space do not lie. Instead they still show massive cremations.

↓Take it down a notch. ..

The countries affected by this plague should be launching a class action lawsuit against China for trillions of dollars in damages and bankrupt the smug lying bastards.

It's called an "act of God." You can't sue anyone for that.

If you saw the video that the Chinese released last week showing health workers in Wuhan celebrating everything was under control by awkwardly dancing around the hospital you knew that this shitshow was far from over.

You'd be an idiot to believe anything China says in regards to the virus at this point, considering they spent the first few months of the outbreak completely denying the existence of the virus and silencing those who were trying to warn the world. They lied about the status of the virus before to preserve their country's "integrity", why would they be telling the truth now that the whole world knows about it?

China and Russia and all other totalitarian countries run under oppressive regimes should never be trusted. Assume everything they tell you lacks truth and you'll never be caught with your pants down.

Yes, of COURSE the Chinese are telling the truth, as is Russia. But in more important news, did you know that the word gullible is not in the dictionary?

Like, while they were secretive in the beginning and that is to be condemned, we all get that this virus isn't China's 'fault', right? New viruses have been jumping the species barrier from animal to human throughout recorded history. More importantly, without the swift- some might say ruthless - shutdown of Wuhan and the sacrifice of the first responding Chinese nurses and doctors, many of whom gave their lives to try and slow and control this thing, it would have gotten out to hit the West even earlier.

They gave us time to prepare and it's not their fault most of us squandered it.

I don't believe them

It’s still spreading in Chink land

F&F R62. What is it with you racist gays?!?

r60

I agree. The problem is people are not getting that China can easily lockdown millions of people And I mean LOCK THEM DOWN.

These people are not allowed out. It's not like her in the USA. Even Gov Fatso of Illinois admitted, they are unlikely to arrest anyone because all you can do is put them in prison and that defeats the whole purpose.

It will be interesting to see how far democratic countries, including the United States, go. My guess is quite far. Keep an eye on France and Spain which are both staring into the abyss at this point.

They are fining or arresting anyone who leaves their homes without good reason. Looks like it is having an impact. It remains to be seen whether it can halt the increase in the number of cases.

The fact of the matter is that outside Hubei, restrictions are being eased dramatically: for better or for worse.

I believe them as the Chinese are very strict about wearing face mask most of the time.

YouTube is overrun with conspiracy theory-fueled content and requires more than a grain of salt before consuming, but there are a number of videos on there about COVID-19 patients in China being removed from hospitals and shunted off to bare-bones facilities outside of city limits so the city can report zero cases. The unfortunate victims are pretty much left to die in warehouses.

I'm currently under government-mandated house arrest. I can be fined or imprisoned if I am outside my home engaged in a non-government approved activity. So I took a walk about 2 km from where I live to see what would happen. And nothing did. No cops. No patrols. Nada. People walking around, engaged in every day activities. Traffic in the street. People hanging out at outdoor fast food and coffee shops.

Unless governments are going to call out the police and army to patrol the streets 24/7 and shoot on sight anyone outside their home, government-mandated house arrest will ultimately fail.

What country are you in, R69?

R68> I believe it

R60 It is China's fault. Of course they didn't create the disease themselves, but they actively lied about its existence, and then when that got out lied about the numbers of the infected, the symptoms, the contagiousness, and the lethality of it. They imprisoned (and probably killed) scientists for trying to warn the world. They lied about it until it spread to other countries and could be factually traced back to them.

The disease itself may not be their fault, but the pandemic sure as hell is. Everything that has come of COVID19 is their fault and can be traced back to their evil attempts to save their commie country's face.

It IS China's fault.

The whole world should boycott China and turn to places like Vietnam and India.

How does the homosexist @ r63 know that r62 is gay?

Everything they say is a lie, including "and" and "the" ... well, at least the Chinese equivalent of "and" and "the".

Of course it's China's fault. If rednecks kept starting outbreaks due to their insatiable lust for squirrel meat nobody would be saying they couldn't be blamed. At best it's depraved negligence. China always knows where the viruses start, the exact same place the outbreak started last time. Exactly why are you defending a country that puts Muslims in concentration camps and brutalizes gays?

R72: could China have been more open and truthful sooner? Of course. But our governments knew the fundamentals back in January. Singapore, Taiwan and South Korea prepared in time. We did not, despite having longer to do so. A belief it couldn't happen here? That failure is on us.

Back in January the WHO was saying chinese flu couldn't pass from human to human. Come Baizuo White Saviour protect the CCP from taking responsibility for their own actions they can't help spawning disease after disease. And look up the meaning of Baizuo to see what the people you're White knighting for think about you.

R77 We DIDN'T know the fundamentals, because China was lying about what the "fundamentals" even were. They said that it couldn't be transferred by human contact, they lied about symptoms, they lied about the fact that it was a virus. No country had enough time to prepare, Singapore and Taiwan and South Korea were all just as blindsided by us due to the lack of information. The only difference is that they handled the aftermath of being exposed to the disease better because they aren't stuck with an idiotic government and a leader who is more concerned with his hotel profits than those who are sick and dying.

Nobody had any time to prepare because nobody knew the real scope or details of the virus. China lied about what the virus was and what it could really do pretty much up until people in Italy were dropping like flies.

Mate R78 I used to live in China, I think I have a reasonable handle on how they interact with Westerners, and yes i am aware that there are certain lines which white people will never cross. That said,it was pretty common to find other white people in China who unreflectively saw the Chinese as robots, soldier ants, or 'inscrutable orientals'. Adopting these attitudes does not demonstrate a great degree of acumen, nor does it provide much in the way of genuine insight. Put bluntly, the Chinese don't need saving.

Yet here you are defending them. Fact: old people everywhere are in mortal danger because Chinese people can't keep strange meat out of their mouths. That country has a sick relationship with what it eats. The video is of live fish for anyone who doesn't want to see slaughter. But it's China's essence.

Yet here you are defending them. Fact: o̶l̶d̶ gay people everywhere are in mortal danger because C̶h̶i̶n̶e̶s̶e̶ ̶p̶e̶o̶p̶l̶e̶ gays can't ̶k̶e̶e̶p̶ ̶s̶t̶r̶a̶n̶g̶e̶ ̶m̶e̶a̶t̶ ̶o̶u̶t̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶i̶r̶ ̶m̶o̶u̶t̶h̶s̶.̶ can't be bothered to use a condom

Sound familiar

I'm glad to hear you know for a fact how the virus jumped the species barrier, I hope you will take the time to share this information with the WHO and the CDC.

Meanwhile I just want to take a minute to enjoy the irony of Americans, a people renowned worldwide for the high quality of their diet and their profoundly healthy relationship with food, pass judgement on that of others

Blame blame blame everybody but the people who caused it. You sound just like the CCP. Or Trump for that matter. You really are the spiritual twin of a Trump voter minimising anything that paints your ethnic morality pet in a bad light. A culture that hosts wet markets the perfect breeding ground for viruses to mutate - this only being the latest of those viruses - because they enjoy the taste of tortured exotic meat. And they're aware of this too yes they do have microscopes in China despite you behaving as if they're children - scientists who were gagged and ordered to destroy virus samples.

And while you want to to talk about hiv there are theories it was caused by eating apes - in which case ANOTHER time our species was punished because of us putting something in our mouths that didn't belong there. It's fantastic to me that the same species that built the Hadron Collider can bask in something as evil as blowtorching live dogs for the meat they produce. China will breed disease and disease and disease all the while enabled by Baizuo feckless wonders such as yourself. You're complicit in every death every life upended over your ruinous obsession of false racism. Crypto-racist.

Video EXTREMELY graphic.

Walter ain't buying China's Numbers =

You can't believe anything that comes out of the Chinese government.

Of course not.

Our mainstream media/professional Chinese clitflickers on the other hand will gladly tout their propaganda, no questions asked.

r84 I've been to China and I can never un-see what I saw. I went to one of the wet markets and wish I'd never set foot there. It is absolutely barbaric and evil what they do to animals. If a Western country did these things, if it was a part of their culture, every other Western country would be appalled and call them out for it.

So now all you racist white fuckers have migrated from hating Meghan Markle to hating on China, fuck all you cunts to hell.

Oh look. A Chinese bot. How’s the weather in Guangzhou, R89?

r89 where's the racism in this thread? There are perfectly valid criticisms. Just because a population is non-white, does not mean it's immune from criticism and beyond reproach when it comes to barbaric practices.

[quote]Chinese people can't keep strange meat out of their mouths.

Okay