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Canadian Dataloungers

How are we doing during this virus?

by Anonymousreply 240Last Wednesday at 9:00 AM

We're putting on blackface and shoving women.

by Anonymousreply 103/20/2020

So a normal day for R1.

by Anonymousreply 203/20/2020

R1...

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by Anonymousreply 303/20/2020

Canada population: 38 MILLION

Canada Wuflu:

Sufferers: 873

Died: 12

Recovered: 11

Still suffering: 850

In Canada in 2017, 1,679 people were killed in road accidents, 112,479 were injured.

by Anonymousreply 403/20/2020

Not that far from the U.S. totals (if you times by 10 to equal the populations):

U.S.: Total cases: 10,442 Total deaths: 150

by Anonymousreply 503/20/2020

Celebrating that they finally closed the border! Gonna be a shit storm down there.

by Anonymousreply 603/20/2020

Blissfully socially distancing from the United States!

by Anonymousreply 703/20/2020

What's so special about April 6? That's when everything is suppose to open gain and everyone is going back to work.

Meanwhile the specialist my mother has to see once a year rescheduled her appointment three times this week. Now she won't be seeing him until the middle of May.

by Anonymousreply 803/20/2020

Living at the very downtown (King & Spadina), Toronto finally feels pleasant. Relatively few people, a good number of locals walking their dogs or jogging.

by Anonymousreply 903/20/2020

Quiet. Slowed down. After a week of insanity, this feels like a vacation. Not so for those ill or who’ve lost loved ones, I know. But the din of society is gone, and that’s kind of a relief.

by Anonymousreply 1003/20/2020

This should be blasting at the border.

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by Anonymousreply 1103/21/2020

Blame Canada!

Blame Canada!

All their COVID hullabaloo,

And that bitch J. Trudeau, too!

by Anonymousreply 1203/21/2020

Trudeau has been calm, intelligent and humane. There's a huge faction of RW and foreign influences aided by B ots (easy to recognize) that cant stand this. Many of us are grateful for his leadership.

R9 it's so quiet ya eh? Just the sound of a town full of released to nowhere people in quilted jackets and neon shoes walking doggies, jogging, gawking.

by Anonymousreply 1303/21/2020

I had an acid reflux attack this week so I've cut back on my eating to let my stomach get better.

Now I'm dealing with Atkins flu and I feel like shit.

by Anonymousreply 1403/21/2020

Mostly enjoying it. I already work from home and make my own schedule. Walk in the park yesterday. Also went for a couple relaxing drives to get out of the house. Connecting with friends & family via technology.

So happy this didn't happen when I was in my 20's and practically lived in bars/restaurants and clubbed regularly. My whole world would have been turned upside down lol.

by Anonymousreply 1503/21/2020

Many of the cases in Canada are people who were traveling in the States.

by Anonymousreply 1603/25/2020

You have nothing to back that up with R16. The world is a lot bigger than you think it is though.

by Anonymousreply 1703/25/2020

It’s day eleven for me, and my partner is self isolating elsewhere by consensual agreement.

Talking with my parents yesterday made me feel weepy afterwards.

by Anonymousreply 1803/25/2020

Canada (pop. 38 MILLION) Wuflu (25 Mar):

Infected: 2,792

Deaths: 26

Recovered: 112

by Anonymousreply 1903/25/2020

Feeling super grateful to live in Canada right now. Also, I have never felt so validated to be childfree.

by Anonymousreply 2003/27/2020

I’m no social butterfly, but I just want to go someplace with lots of people right about now. Odd for me.

by Anonymousreply 2103/27/2020

It’s fine I’m in Vancouver and I’m enjoying the personal space.

by Anonymousreply 2203/27/2020

S3 of "Ozark" got released on Netflix today, so I'm set for a few days.

by Anonymousreply 2303/27/2020

The federal health minister was on TV saying this is going to go on for months not weeks and we may have a second wave in the summer.

My neighbours don't seem to care about any suggestions to stay home--the guy next door goes out several times a day on his motorcycle. Parents and their kids are outside playing as if it's summer break. The people across the street took their newborn with them when they went shopping.

Somebody better come up with and test a vaccine sooner than later because these fucking people are going infect those of us who are doing what we're asked to do.

by Anonymousreply 2403/28/2020

Fewer people than California in the second-largest country in the world. You have a LOT more room for social distancing. I'm envious.

by Anonymousreply 2503/28/2020

Yes, I hope the fact that we are smaller and more spread out will work to our advantage.

by Anonymousreply 2603/28/2020

So, Canadian neighbors, is there a province and county breakdown of the number of cases at this time?

My grandmother was born on a farm in Canada and I'm curious to know how that part of the country, as well as other provinces/counties where cousins live are doing.

by Anonymousreply 2703/28/2020

I'm loving it, Victoria is so quiet now, I drove down to Dallas Road and parked and there was *nobody there*, haven't seen that since the early 00s. If this all ends in social collapse and chaos, at least there's this calm interlude to enjoy first.

by Anonymousreply 2803/28/2020

r27 here is a province breakdown, I do not know about county. This data is from CTV. Parenthetical number following province is NEW cases.

Cases Today (March 28)

Manitoba (25) – The province announced 25 new cases, bringing the total number in the province to 64.

Ontario (151) – Health officials announced 151 new cases of COVID-19, bringing the provincial total to 1,144. One death was also reported.

Quebec (477) – The province saw a huge spike in cases, adding 477, which brings the total in the province to 2,498. Four more deaths were also reported.

Newfoundland and Labrador (18) – The province announced 18 new cases on Saturday, but also four recoveries. [bold]120[/bold] cases, according to my NL buddy.

Nova Scotia (20) – Officials in Nova Scotia announced 20 new cases of COVID-19, bringing the total there to 110.

New Brunswick (6) – The province announced 6 new cases of COVID-19 and one new recovery. The total in N.B. sits at 51.

Saskatchewan (30) – In the biggest single day jump to date, the province announced 30 new cases on Saturday. The province said that 19 of the cases are tied to a snowmobile rally.

British Columbia (92) – Health officials announced 92 new COVID-19 cases and one new death. But the province also announced that roughly 45 per cent of patients have recovered. 121 new recoveries

by Anonymousreply 2903/28/2020

Thank you, R29.

by Anonymousreply 3003/28/2020

R25, R26, not really, most Canadians live in large urban centres, it's not like we're scattered through the country in small town/rural areas.

by Anonymousreply 3103/28/2020

What about Prince Edward Island, R29?

by Anonymousreply 3203/28/2020

"The advantage of working from home is it's always snack time."

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by Anonymousreply 3303/28/2020

[quote]not really, most Canadians live in large urban centres, it's not like we're scattered through the country in small town/rural areas.

Sure, but you COULD.

by Anonymousreply 3403/28/2020

Here's some good news.

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by Anonymousreply 3503/28/2020

r31 Yes, but the centres are more spread out from each other than in some other places.

by Anonymousreply 3603/28/2020

Enjoying myself, social distancing is how I’ve lived my whole life, so this is fine.

by Anonymousreply 3703/28/2020

Does anyone know how long closures and social distancing will go on?

It seems that it will be months rather than weeks.

I've read the end of May and others have said maybe even the end of July.

I'm worried because I have to take my mother to see a specialist and get her blood work done in early May.

by Anonymousreply 3803/31/2020

I've heard that non-essential court will be down until end of May.

by Anonymousreply 3903/31/2020

Very happy to see the help the Government is giving to the country. I would like to see Doug Ford step up,and give some to Ontarian's like other premiers have and not just rely on the Feds.

by Anonymousreply 4003/31/2020

Anyone find it interesting that Trudeau was so heavily criticized by the right for giving supplies to China and that Trump is being criticized by the left for the same thing?

by Anonymousreply 4103/31/2020

My city (Ottawa) is managing the load so far. Fingers crossed.

by Anonymousreply 4203/31/2020

Looks like this current situation will remain in effect until July and the gov't is expecting a second wave in the fall.

by Anonymousreply 4304/02/2020

Forgot the link.

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by Anonymousreply 4404/02/2020

How do you guys think Trudeau is handling this? I was supportive at first, but now it seems as though the ball was dropped and his whole relief package is a mess.

I hear that both Scheer and Singh plan on voting against the bill, so unless the Bloc supports it, it could fail and trigger a non confidence vote.

by Anonymousreply 4504/02/2020

The CPC has no leader R45. Scheer stepped down.

by Anonymousreply 4604/02/2020

He's still the interim leader, R46. He's threatened a vote of non confidence as recently as Feb. when the rail blockades were happening, and says his party is voting against the relief bill.

by Anonymousreply 4704/02/2020

Link R47?

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by Anonymousreply 4904/02/2020

Your link covers the February grandstanding before Scheer stepped down, but where's the link that the CPC plans to vote non confidence?

Scheer is desperate to keep the leadership and he's hoping doing this will trigger an election and he can stay on as leader. He's scum of the highest order.

by Anonymousreply 5004/02/2020

I can count on one hand the number of times I've left the house since the middle of February.

If this goes on until July I hope I don't go insane.

by Anonymousreply 5104/02/2020

R50, Scheer stepped down long before February. The Con leadership race was well underway by then. He and Singh said in interviews on CBC that they were going to vote against the bill. Scheer said that the Libs have to scrap the carbon tax, and Singh wants the feds to do something about rent/mortgages.

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by Anonymousreply 5204/02/2020

Trudeau has been growing increasingly bitchy in his daily corona conferences.

by Anonymousreply 5304/02/2020

good, the DL loves a BITCH

by Anonymousreply 5404/02/2020

R52 they reached an agreement on March 24 about the bill. Stop being a moron.

Trudeau didn't have time for Scheer's bullshit desperation to cause an election.

It shows us who the real leader is and who the sack of shit desperate for power is.

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by Anonymousreply 5504/02/2020

R55, they are recalling Parliament to amend the bill, do keep up.

by Anonymousreply 5604/02/2020

Here, R55. You're the moron.

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by Anonymousreply 5704/02/2020

I'm really disappointed with the lack of testing capacity. Other countries like S Korea and Germany seem to test tens of thousands per day, and even fucking Iceland has said it will test their entire population. Apparently in Germany you get a certificate of good health once you've cleared symptoms and "passed" the antibody test - so you can go back to work and help the economy. Why the fuck can't we do this in Canada?

by Anonymousreply 5804/02/2020

One thing is that a negative test doesn't mean all that much because you could literally catch the virus minutes after testing negative. False sense of security or something, so I've heard.

by Anonymousreply 5904/02/2020

[quote] the guy next door goes out several times a day on his motorcycle.

So what? Unless he’s picking up strangers to ride with him, isn’t that the very definition of social distancing (i.e., alone)?

by Anonymousreply 6004/02/2020

I’ve been saying that, r59. I firmly believe that’s why here in the States they’re only testing people with specific symptoms for the most part. Getting a “negative” when you can then get it on the way home from the test center doesn’t help and may even do more harm if people think, “oh, I’m negative so I don’t have to social distance.”

by Anonymousreply 6104/02/2020

I can't remember which one, R61, but it was one of the Canadian medical officers that said that in one of the daily updates which is why here in Canada, they're only testing people with certain symptoms and are looking for positives, not negatives.

by Anonymousreply 6204/02/2020

Anyone watching Trudeau right now?

by Anonymousreply 6304/02/2020

Toronto’s Chief Medical Officer of health came out swinging yesterday... she has invoked her power to order COVID19 carriers to stay home. They are urging the provincial government to restrict further those who can go to work.

by Anonymousreply 6404/02/2020

I saw that, R64.

I have to say that I can't believe what a good job Doug Ford is doing. I hate Cons as a rule, but he's really stepped up during this. I'll go back to hating his policies as soon as this is over, I'm sure.

by Anonymousreply 6504/02/2020

I agree r65, it pains me to admit it but he's been fantastic during this crisis.

by Anonymousreply 6604/02/2020

[quote] it pains me to admit it but he's (Ford) been fantastic during this crisis.

Canadian Trump supporters have been busy busy on social media saying what a lousy job Justin Trudeau has been doing over this crisis, compared to Donald Trump.

Wishing and praying that Trump was handling the crisis here in Canada

by Anonymousreply 6704/02/2020

Trudeau has dropped the ball on some things, but a lot of that is because of hindsight, R67. A travel ban should have been in place earlier and they should have realized they needed more medical equipment sooner. The aid package seems somewhat bungled, because of all the confusion and red tape around it.

However, I don't totally blame him because I realize he's working with ever changing information. He's doing a FAR better job than Trump, who is purposefully lying to his public everyday. I think Trudeau is doing the best he can, even if he's fucked up a few things. Let's face it, no government is going to handle something like this perfectly because there's so many unanswered questions and the rapidly changing information.

Exactly, R66, I never knew Dougie had it in him to lead during a crisis, but here we are. He's shown he actually does have a heart and ability to lead.

by Anonymousreply 6804/02/2020

R56 and R57 seem far too invested in defending Scheer. Even and incompetent ass like him won't try to trigger an election at this time. he would be destroyed. He thinks he'll be able to go to the Governor General and request that the CPC form the new gov't. That would never happen. You and he are morons.

by Anonymousreply 6904/02/2020

R60 he's going out to Tims, and the grocery store and the corner store for smokes.

by Anonymousreply 7004/02/2020

Putting R68 on ignore shows him for the right wing troll he actually is.

The kind of human garbage who wishes for more deaths just to make Trudeau look back.

Fuck off and die you sack of shit.

by Anonymousreply 7104/02/2020

How long before we have to wear masks in public?

I'm limiting my trips out of the house to once every two weeks.

by Anonymousreply 7204/02/2020

"Independent" Canadian voter (and Justin Trudeau Hater) @levinepmc says Donald Trump has

"VASTLY SUPERIOR people, at the top level, than we do in Canada working on this crisis"

adding that Dr. Theresa Tam advice has been "somewhat suspect"

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by Anonymousreply 7304/02/2020

"Independent" Canadian voter (and Justin Trudeau Hater) @levinepmc is Norman Levine - Managing Director, CFA of Portfolio Management Corporation

by Anonymousreply 7404/02/2020

R71, you truly are an idiot. You didn't even know that Trudeau has to recall Parliament again, so you're mad because I had to point that out to you. Kindly stfu.

R73, idiots who think the US is handling things so much better down there should fuck off and move to that hellscape of a country. A lot of those people are probably wexiters or cons who troll the PM for everything from his yoga and doughnut habit to the way he's handling this Covid crisis. They are the same ones who wanted him to call the army in on the protesters only a month ago.

by Anonymousreply 7504/02/2020

R75 - R73 is a downtown Toronto resident

by Anonymousreply 7604/02/2020

R76, idiots live everywhere in Canada. My position is the same, they should go right ahead and move down there if they think it's so much better and want to worship Trump.

by Anonymousreply 7704/02/2020

These idiots worship Trump but hate on Trudeau for everything should know that Trump is blaming the shortage of equipment on the states. Maybe Trudeau should just blame the provinces in his next press conferences.

by Anonymousreply 7804/02/2020

[quote] These idiots worship Trump but hate on Trudeau for everything

Most of these idiots who hate Trudeau but LOVE Trump are older to middle ages white men who are threatened by Trudeau (though they won't admit it)

by Anonymousreply 7904/02/2020

From Angus Reid - 12% of Canadians believe #Covid19 is overblown. Of that 12% they are mostly

(1) Male over 35 (2) In Western Canada (3) Conservative Voters (4) Has skepticism towards government, institutions & Climate Change

by Anonymousreply 8004/02/2020

r63 Didn't watch live. Catching up right now.

by Anonymousreply 8104/02/2020

R75 you pointed out NOTHING.

Get the virus and die!

by Anonymousreply 8204/03/2020

R82 is too stupid to know that Scheer is still the interim leader of the CPC and that he threatened non confidence in Feb. during the blockades TWO months after he stepped down AND that they are recalling Parliament to amend the aid bill, yet he wants me to catch the virus and die? He thinks I'm defending Scheer because I posted about them recalling Parliament? You are a very stupid and ill informed person, R82. Very ill informed. Let the adults talk R82, since you don't even have a grasp on the basics.

by Anonymousreply 8304/03/2020

R83 prides himself on being the smartest guy in [bold]his[/bold] room.

Everywhere else he's a sad little know-it-all who doesn't really know it all.

Doug Ford will be speaking today. Make sure you're under the lectern to blow him.

by Anonymousreply 8404/03/2020

[quote]You are a very stupid and ill informed person, [R82]. Very ill informed.

I didn't know Trump was a Datalounger.

by Anonymousreply 8504/03/2020

Go away, R85.

Here's the leader of the Bloc, thankfully one of the opposition leaders is acting like an adult.

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by Anonymousreply 8604/03/2020

^^^Hasn't anyone dropped a house on you yet?

by Anonymousreply 8704/03/2020

On Social Media (YouTube, Facebook and Twitter) the majority of Canadian comments are always the same thing.

Doug Ford is doing a wonderful FABULOUS job and Justin Trudeau us falling FLAT on his face, doing NOTHING

Wonder if these are just Conservatives with nothing to do?.

by Anonymousreply 8804/03/2020

The Ford gov't said we could see 6000 to 15000 deaths in Ontario under current measures. And 1,600 deaths and 80,000 cases by April 30 under the current scenario. They also believe the pandemic could last between 18 months and two years due to potential secondary and tertiary waves.

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by Anonymousreply 8904/03/2020

John Ibbitson seems to have cooled his disdain for Justin Trudeau.

by Anonymousreply 9004/12/2020

Andrew Chang from CBC is growing on me. He's a great host, love him on the National and he's cute as well. Any gossip on him?

by Anonymousreply 9104/27/2020

Chang is cute, nice hair and smile, great voice. Wife and two kids. I think he is super short.

by Anonymousreply 9204/27/2020

Is Canada still off-limits to Americans? Thinking of spending the summer in Montreal if my intercontinental travel plans get canceled.

by Anonymousreply 9304/27/2020

I imagine it will be off limits this summer. We don't want your rona.

by Anonymousreply 9404/27/2020

He does have a great voice and face, R92. I really enjoy him.

Still off limits, R93.

by Anonymousreply 9504/27/2020

The border is closed.

by Anonymousreply 9604/27/2020

I’m doing great, thanks for asking.

by Anonymousreply 9704/27/2020

Any other media personality stories?

Vassey seems like quite the cunt. I like Evan though he can be douchy at times. Rosie is terrible, don't know how she keeps a job. Katie Simpson is doing well in Washington and I like her reports.

by Anonymousreply 9804/27/2020

R91 & R92 Andrew Chang lives in my boyfriend's building around Yonge/Eg and yes, straight and married with kids. We've been in the elevator with him a few times and he seems very nice. And yes, he is VERY short. I'm only 5'8 myself and when he stood next to me in the elevator once, he didn't even come up to my shoulder. So I'm guessing he's about 5'5.

R98 I don't have any stories, but anyone else think Todd van der Heyden looks drunk/high reading the news these days.

by Anonymousreply 9904/27/2020

The PM's mother has been hospitalized after an apartment fire.

by Anonymousreply 10004/28/2020
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I don't want you up here R93!

by Anonymousreply 10204/28/2020

Uber cunt Michelle Rempel is down in Oklahoma with her spouse and step children. She was busted today for being out of the country during the Covid-19 crisis and says she's in the US for a personal matter. Rumor is it has something to do with her new husband's mental health issues. He's a gun nut and a Trump fan and runs a service for veterans.

by Anonymousreply 10304/28/2020

So Manitoba and Alberta are opening for business in Monday, May 4th. Ontario is easing some restrictions as of Monday, and likely more by the end of the month. Quebec is going full throttle with re-opening too. Interestingly, however, polls are showing a clear majority of Canadians believe it's too early to re-open the economy and employers are worried that their workers won't come back en mass. It should be noted, the provinces pushing for a quicker re-opening are all have conservative governments in power, while BC, NS, NFLD, with Liberal or NDP governments, are taking much, much slower approaches.

I'm thankful my employer is allowing us to work from home for the foreseeable future. But I worry we're going to get a major second wave.

by Anonymousreply 10405/01/2020

Alberta and Quebec have had a lot of cases, makes no sense that they're reopening now. Manitoba hasn't had many, so I can understand some of the restrictions being lifted there, also, it's still PC there I believe, unlike Alberta. Ontario considering reopening is insane.

by Anonymousreply 10505/01/2020

Doug Ford (I loath him) was actually being fairly decent and cautious. And then two days ago we suddenly changed his tune. I suspect his rich donors were getting on his case. It should be said that it's not a full re-open. Malls and most retail stores are staying closed. Schools including universities and colleges will remain closed. In the next few weeks, you'll be allowed to socialize with one other household (known as the double bubble) but that's about it. We're not getting back to the way things were for months if not a year or so.

by Anonymousreply 10605/01/2020

Andrew Scheer as called on the Liberal Government to start curtailing the CERB benefit. Scheer argued that "it's always better off for Canadians to work." Trudeau basically told him off later in a press conference saying: “I really look forward to facing that challenge of how we start to scale back the benefits and help people get back to work. We're not there yet. For now, we're still very much focused on how we help people through this.”

The conservatives are increasingly tone deaf. First they're freaking out because Trudeau made military style assault weapons illegal in Canada, and now they think Canadians should will have no trouble finding work in the midst of the largest economic downturn in the history of the country. Just where are we supposed to find these jobs?

by Anonymousreply 10705/04/2020

And how much money does Andy make a year? And still he needed to raid party funds to pay for his ugly children to attend private school and buy a minivan??

by Anonymousreply 10805/04/2020

I swear to god that the conservatives are trying to reduce themselves to regional party status were only the prairie provinces vote for them.

by Anonymousreply 10905/04/2020

Rural areas vote for them, R109, and most of the Prairies, especially Alberta and Saskatchewan.

by Anonymousreply 11005/04/2020

Recent polls now have the Liberals upwards of 15% ahead of the conservatives, and Trudeau would win a majority. The Cons are burying themselves. Thank god Trudeau won the election. Can you imagine Scheer being Prime Minister right now.

by Anonymousreply 11105/04/2020

Was Margaret Trudeau like a first lady or something? Do the wives of prime ministers have special roles like the president's wife here in America do?

by Anonymousreply 11205/04/2020

R112 No, the Prime Minister's spouse does not have a formal role. Typically, the Prime Minister's wife plays no significant formal role other than appearing at their husband's side during political events and elections.

The reason for this is that the Prime Minister is not Canada's Head of State. The Queen is Canada's head of state and therefore Canada's 'first lady' is technically Prince Philip.

by Anonymousreply 11305/05/2020

R112, in her case her role was to be a raging slut, fuck several members of the Rolling stones, be a coked out mess on the floor of studio 43, but others have held different roles.

by Anonymousreply 11405/05/2020

Studio 43 was lit in the day!!!

by Anonymousreply 11505/05/2020

studio 54, that is

by Anonymousreply 11605/05/2020

I live in Ottawa (in Justin's hood) and heard stories about Margaret fucking hot RCMP dudes back in the day.

by Anonymousreply 11705/05/2020

She had a private jet on retainer for the purpose of regularly taking her to Studio 54.

by Anonymousreply 11805/05/2020

she was a slut

by Anonymousreply 11905/06/2020

DL loves a slut.

by Anonymousreply 12005/06/2020

So do I

by Anonymousreply 12105/06/2020

The Bloc leader shutting down Vassey was glorious.

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by Anonymousreply 12205/06/2020

More!!!!!

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by Anonymousreply 12305/06/2020

And now he's going for Peter MacKay!!!

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by Anonymousreply 12405/06/2020

Margaret Trudeau deserves gay icon status.

by Anonymousreply 12505/07/2020

SLUTS r US

by Anonymousreply 12605/07/2020

Good grief, R119, is that supposed to be a bad thing?

How quaint. How, how mid-twentieth-century of you.

by Anonymousreply 12705/07/2020

Conversative newspapers like National Post and the G&M are trying to bait Trudeau into calling an election. They figure (and probably rightly so) that whichever party is seen as responsible for forcing an election during a pandemic will pay for it at the polls.

Anyone else worried that we're ultimately going to spend the summer in lockdown. I think some of the provinces are rushing to re-open the economy e.g. Quebec, Ontario and Alberta. It really seems the plan is re-open and hope for the best.

by Anonymousreply 12805/07/2020

R128 I have to say Doug Ford is being surprisingly careful in opening Ontario. I honestly thought when all this started he'd be the Trump of Ontario.

by Anonymousreply 12905/08/2020

instead he's the trump of manitoba

by Anonymousreply 13005/08/2020

Robert Fife is taking cheap shots at the PM, probably cause the Libs are so high in the polls.

by Anonymousreply 13105/08/2020

high on the hog

by Anonymousreply 13205/08/2020

Can anyone explain why the media seems so constantly bitchy and biased against the Liberals? Vassey is a cunt towards them on the regular, Evan isn't much better at times, it sees like most of the Globe and Mail WANTS Trudeau to fail, and Rosemary Barton always seems like a scolding schoolmarm. The Toronto Star is more balanced than the rest, but they're about the only ones.

by Anonymousreply 13305/08/2020

the star can't get it right

by Anonymousreply 13405/08/2020

R129 Doug Ford was being very careful until last week when he started pushing forward with re-opening the province. Now, just over a week later, the number are rising upwards again and it turned out he went up to his cottage despite telling people they were not allowed to do the same. Doug Ford is still Doug Ford.

by Anonymousreply 13505/08/2020

For a second time, Doug Ford admits to breaking the covid rules he put in place.

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by Anonymousreply 13605/11/2020

It's okay, R136, he's a Conservative, so it's all good. Trudeau on the other hand......

by Anonymousreply 13705/11/2020

So Bryan Adams is an idiot.

by Anonymousreply 13805/11/2020

CNE is officially cancelled for 2020 (not surprising).

Despite an increase in the numbers, Doug Ford is going ahead with stage one of re-opening the economy (allegedly against the advice of Public Health Ontario)

Only 14% of grade school students showed up for class on Monday in Quebec.

by Anonymousreply 13905/12/2020

New poll for Conservative Leadership shows MacKay ahead, but O'Toole not far behind.

Wouldn't be a surprise if MacKay ends up losing after all the stupid things he's said during the COVID-19 crisis.

First Choice:

MacKay: 45%

O'Toole: 39%

Lewis: 10%

Sloan: 6%

Second Choice:

O'Toole: 24%

MacKay: 18%

Lewis: 13%

Sloan: 8%

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by Anonymousreply 14005/13/2020

If MacKay loses, then I think that'd be good for the Liberals. O'Toole is too right for most people to support.

by Anonymousreply 14105/13/2020

Great opinion piece about why conservatives are all suddenly up in arms about CERB fraud.

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by Anonymousreply 14205/16/2020

Andrew Scheer is complaining about fraud?

by Anonymousreply 14305/17/2020

R143 Yup! The Conservatives have no direction so they are grasping for straws. They started attacking Dr. Theresa Tam, Canada's Chief Public Health Officer, but when polls showed the majority of Canadians supported her, they moved to this fraud story. Was the CERB rollout perfect? No...but Trudeau was right to wave the normal processing time so Canadians could pay their bills. With the number of people applying...it would have taken the CRA over two months to begin to process many people's applications. Trudeau has always made clear that when this is over and people file their taxes in 2021, their eligibility will be assessed then. If they didn't qualify, they have to pay it back.

by Anonymousreply 14405/17/2020

Andrew Scheer just announced he is keeping his DUAL US- Canadian citizenship

by Anonymousreply 14505/17/2020

Did anyone watch the Sunday Scrum today? All panelists disagreed with Jagmeet Singh's position on long term care homes.

by Anonymousreply 14605/17/2020

One of the Snowbirds crashed!

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by Anonymousreply 14705/17/2020

[quote]Andrew Scheer just announced he is keeping his DUAL US- Canadian citizenship

So I guess Scheer lied when he said he was renouncing his US citizenship.

by Anonymousreply 14805/17/2020

Scheer is likely going to move to the US once the Conservatives elect a new leader. I bet he has something lined up there.

by Anonymousreply 14905/18/2020

Good, R149. He and his ugly family will fit in well down there.

by Anonymousreply 15005/18/2020

R150 both of Andrew Scheer's sisters are married to Americans and live in the USA full-time

by Anonymousreply 15105/18/2020

Hopefully he goes there too, R151. Did you know he used slander to steal his riding from the Liberal? Scheer's a fucking douche and I can't stand looking at his fat, ugly, smug, milquetoast face.

by Anonymousreply 15205/18/2020

R152, Scheer's riding used to be held by long-time NDP MP Lorne Nystrom.

by Anonymousreply 15305/18/2020

R152 it was actually an NDPer he stole the seat from

by Anonymousreply 15405/18/2020

Oh right, my mistake, R153, R154.

by Anonymousreply 15505/18/2020

Kenney's all upset over Biden's pipeline comments. Suck it up, Alberta, no one wants your shitty tar sands oil.

by Anonymousreply 15605/19/2020

Random: Jason Kenney just appointed country singer Paul Brandt as the Chair of an anti-child trafficking committee designed to create and advise the Alberta government on policy. So, Brandt was a pediatric nurse and created an anti-trafficking charity, but has never worked in government. There are two women on the committee who have PhDs in the area that were far more qualified. There are rumours going around that Kenney and Brandt are involved romantically...Kenney's sexuality has long been an open secret but I know nothing about Brandt but he is apparently married...but his wife is rather....unattractive.

by Anonymousreply 15705/19/2020

R157, Brandt is married to a woman and they have 2 children.

So is Brandt in the closet, too?

by Anonymousreply 15805/19/2020

R158 There have been rumours about Brandt in the Canadian music industry for years. Allegedly, he got around when he was nurse.

by Anonymousreply 15905/19/2020

According to City news...the numbers in Ontario have risen by average of 1.5% over the last week, while testing is down. The growing evidence is, Ford opened the economy to soon. We're heading for a second wave in Ontario.

by Anonymousreply 16005/20/2020

It's not a second wave as the first wave hasn't even subsided yet. Everyone has quarantine fatigue and less than 25% of people are wearing masks in public. I'm not shaming, I'm tired of this shit too. At this point though I believe a lot of people are just rolling the dice for a little freedom and normalcy. If ya get it, ya get it.

by Anonymousreply 16105/20/2020

R161 I said this on another thread but I knew that once the nicer weather got here, it was going to be hard a hell to keep people inside and away from friends and family Because of our long winters here, we're hot wired to want to get outside as much as possible come May. Beautiful weather coupled with quarantine fatigue is going to make it near impossible to contain this thing during the summer. My sister in law is a nurse and she told me (on the phone) over the weekend that health officials are saying that we're not even through the prologue of this virus yet. And now they're predicting it's going to hit worse by September. And even if a vaccine is proven by the end of the year.....it will take 12 to 18 months before enough people are vaccinated to contain the virus.

by Anonymousreply 16205/20/2020

Conservatives are after Dr. Tam again and talking about China, the WHO, and Taiwan.

by Anonymousreply 16305/20/2020

R162 that is pretty depressing to hear that they are predicting a worse hit by September

by Anonymousreply 16405/20/2020

This week's new Léger poll:

LIBERALS: 44%

CONSERVATIVES: 25%

NDP: 15%

BQ: 7%

GREENS: 7%

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by Anonymousreply 16505/20/2020

That's good, R165. How have the NDP numbers been week to week?? The lower their numbers the better it is for the Libs.

by Anonymousreply 16605/20/2020

Hahaha

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by Anonymousreply 16705/21/2020

I've had CBC on the TV, as background noise initially, and am now following Heartland. Are there no gays in rural Alberta? They should have Caleb experiment a little.

And what the fuck is that theme song? Now I know what my brother meant when he said Helen Keller was singing it.

by Anonymousreply 16805/22/2020

DL's favorite Canadian!

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by Anonymousreply 16905/22/2020

NDP is forced to apply for the wage subsidy program as their donations have dried up

by Anonymousreply 17005/22/2020

I was going to laugh, R170, but it turns out that the Libs (and the Cons) are applying too.

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[quote]Are there no gays in rural Alberta?

NO!

by Anonymousreply 17205/22/2020

R168 Does Rural Alberta have any gays? As R172 said...NO! Back in the early to mid-00s when Alberta was booming and young people were moving there in droves, I moved to Edmonton for a year for a job and HATED it. The company I got a job with offered me the option of their Calgary or Edmonton office and on a whim I said Edmonton...thank god! Edmonton is a nicer and slightly more cosmopolitan city. If Alberta is Canada's Texas, than Edmonton is its Austin. Calgary was larger, but Edmonton had the largest LGBTQ+ community in Alberta, but it was crap. Most of the gay guys I met were from other provinces like me, and we all hated it.

Alberta is the most American feeling province in Canada, and the people that live there exist in such an odd bubble of hardcore conservatism. The province has gone to shit, and deservedly so. The NDP government did actually make a lot of improvements in the Province, but Albertans are the Jesus loving, church going conservatives who care more about abortion and guns than actually getting their province back on economic track. Most of the gay guys I knew when I lived there, left within two years. Many went to BC others to Ontario. I swear the only gay people there now are Jason Kenney and Paul Brandt.

by Anonymousreply 17305/22/2020

R173 is correct. I've lived all over Canada, including Edmonton and while I'd take it over Calgary, I much preferred Winnipeg as far as mid sized cities go. It's cold in the winter but fun in the summer, and not very conservative at all.

by Anonymousreply 17405/22/2020

Despite having a slightly smaller population than Calgary, Edmonton feels more like a larger city than Calgary. Calgary is far more conservative, in fact, I think it's the only major city in Canada that consistently votes to the right in every election. Edmonton is a bit more mixed politically being a battle ground between the Conservatives and NDP. The reason for this I think is that Edmonton has a slightly higher level of immigration and non-Albertan population. Also, statistically people living in Edmonton have higher-rates of post-secondary education. I always say that if someone says that Calgary is a better city, they were born in Alberta. Most born and bred Albertans look at Edmonton the way many people in Ontario look at Toronto. There's a perception of people from Edmonton being elite and snobbish. That being said, yeah, the gay scene in Alberta pretty much died in the early 2010s.

by Anonymousreply 17505/22/2020

And yet Calgary's mayor since 2010, re-elected twice, is the first Muslim mayor of a large North American city, and a centre-leftist.

by Anonymousreply 17605/22/2020

[quote]Are there no gays in rural Alberta?

Only closet cases who are married to women.

by Anonymousreply 17705/23/2020

I am disappointed with where we're going. Ontario and Quebec seem incapable of managing testing, tracing and isolating and Ottawa seems to be floating along, content with greeting card poetry from Trudeau. Yesterday I heard the second in command at public health (federally) say we'd be getting in serotesting to determine the scope of the unknown infected/recovered [italic]in the coming weeks and [bold]months.[/bold][/italic]

Ford keeps saying he's determined to get it right and get it going but nothing seems to change. I don't know if it's the government or a paralyzed bureaucracy or hick town health units that can't get their act together. Whatever is going on they are communicating terribly. Cuomo seems to tell everybody everything, these people just keep repeating ad nauseum stay home, six feet apart, virus is highly contagious, sorry people died... all of them, from the politicians to the doctors.

And of course we are seeing the revenge of Mother's Day. Infections for the last few days well above 400 again because idiots can't keep apart. Well, I hope that visit was worth killing Grandma.

I feel very discouraged about our ability to get new cases in Ontario under a hundred before the next wave. Which is probably gathering steam since Mother's Day. That was a waste of the last two months in my books, but the truth is I see it everywhere: people are breaking the rules in small doses, but just enough to drive numbers up with an R above 1.

by Anonymousreply 17805/23/2020

People can complain all they want about the conditions in senior homes but nothing will improve until the workers are paid fairly and conditions improve for them.

by Anonymousreply 17905/23/2020

R178 I can't speak to Quebec because I'm not following the numbers there. Still, it's becoming more apparent that the Ford government opened the economy too soon or at least before proper safety measures could be put in place e.g., widespread testing and contact tracing. Back when the government released the staged plans of opening the economy, Ford stated that we would need to sustain a count of around 250 or lower for 7 to 14 days before beginning. That plan suddenly dropped away. At one point, Ford admitted he was facing a ton of pressure to open things up; he gave into that.

Also, in early May, Ford began changing his tone from serious to optimistic (too optimistic). I think it started sending the wrong message that the worst was behind us. Some people see stores open, and that makes them drop their guard. I expect the numbers to keep rising, and we're going to see a spike this coming week. I believe a lot of people weren't distancing during the Victoria Day weekend. I live in the burbs about an hour away from Toronto, and more than half of my neighbours had people over inside their houses because it was raining. With the nicer weather, it's going to be harder and harder to enforce distancing.

As for testing, let's not forget one of Ford's first measures after coming to power was to gut the public health units and close labs. His government cut $1.5 Billion from public health, which is one of the reasons they are struggling. We must also remember that Public Health Ontario does NOT dictate government policy. It makes recommendations to the government about how to handle public health matters, but the buck stops with Ford. While he's trying to deflect blame, he is the one calling the shots. There have been rumours that he and Dr. Williams (Ontario's Chief Medical Officer) are at odds.

Sadly, Ontario is heading in a scary direction. A lot of people are going to die needlessly. Ford took a political gamble to play up his newfound popularity. I think he and his advisors thought if they could re-open the economy and the numbers stayed down, it would ensure his re-election. Even the media were praising him, that seems to be changing now. In the last few days, he's been facing tough questions, and it's so clear he's starting to melt under pressure. I think he'll cut the daily press conferences soon.

by Anonymousreply 18005/23/2020

Today in Chantal Hebert Toronto Star column she writes that Andrew Scheer has been

(1) tone-deaf

(2) living in a parellel political universe

(3) has set the Harper coalition (joining West + Suburban Ontario + Immigrant Voters) back ten years!

Writing

Over 75% of voters approve of the measures Justin Trudeau put forward to manage the pandemic fallout

Andrew Scheer hammering the message that Trudeau is FAILING Canadians falls spectacularly short of offering a credible alternative narrative to the government

by Anonymousreply 18105/23/2020

According to Abacus, almost 60% of Conservatives supporters want an election

RIGHT NOW (during #Covid19)

So they can turf Justin Trudeau

Apparently, it is not just Andrew Scheer & the current Conservative caucus that lives in a parallel political universe.

by Anonymousreply 18205/23/2020

I'd love to tell Trudeau to call their bluff, R182, but it would be foolish to have an election now.

by Anonymousreply 18305/23/2020

R183 Trudeau won't call their bluff (or at least he shouldn't) because the party seen to be triggering an election right now, we'll pay for it. No one wants an election. I suspect there will be one next year as soon as the situation looks much better. Conservative support is tanking everywhere except Alberta and the prairies.

by Anonymousreply 18405/23/2020

Of course he shouldn't, R184, we all know that. He needs to stay the course and keep going and call one next year. He shouldn't wait too long because people have short memories. The voters need to remember how he's handled Covid before the Cons drum up some scandal against him, so next spring (if things are back to normal) would be a good time. Cons are leading in Alberta, but if you look at "saskytoba" they are leading but, the Libs and the NDP have more support combined - but that big chunk of red you see may only be the cities..

Don't forget that Con support is also strong in rural areas throughout the country, so we need to make sure the cities stay red.

by Anonymousreply 18505/23/2020

Here's a breakdown.

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Every single riding is LPC safe in Winnipeg, aside from one that shows the NDP leading. One seat outside of Winnpeg goes to the NDP, and all of Saskatchewan to the Cons, aside from a couple deemed toss-ups.

I know I've said it before, but people in Toronto have to understand that Winnipeg generally isn't conservative and friends there are tired of being lumped in with the rest of the Prairies (politically and socially, never really has been either). It'd be like judging us in Toronto because Ontario voted for Ford.

by Anonymousreply 18705/23/2020

R180... I agree, I don't know why they are screwing up but they are screwing up. I'm so sad about it. I can't even hate over it. I'm just sad. He showed such promise and now it's squandered. And it's our lives. I would never have voted for him in a general election but I gave him credit for managing this well until now. And Andrew Scheer is a fool and a failure. That party... I am one of those Toronto voters they suck after each election and then drive away with their dinosaur choices in between elections. I hope he has set those fools back ten years.

But you raise an important point: to some extent we have to blame ourselves because we can still make a lot of choices to protect ourselves. I didn't see so much activity Victoria Day, but I was in Toronto the whole time and a lot of people in my part of town went to the cottage. But Mother's Day I could tell there was a lot of rule breaking. A friend of mine bought down the street from me and had people in to see her new place, I heard. I lost of a lot respect for her. On the other hand, not everybody can stay tucked away - I know people need to earn or, with opening up, are compelled back. I just wish the people who could stay apart would, for everyone's sake.

I'm so disappointed in us at every level. But maybe a high price to pay in the coming weeks will wake everybody up again.

R178 - I absolutely agree. We need major policy change there and strict regulations requiring that staff in long term care be full time staff, not flitting between three jobs at three different homes because that's the need to make a decent living. I'm also of the view long term care and for profit are incompatible. All long term care in Ontario should be not for profit but it should pay well to so as to attract quality employees.

I make a lot of money compared to most people but my politics have shifted firmly left and more collective because of this and they will stay that way. We're stuck in this together but we're obviously not all in it together... so an active government needs to step in. Taxes are going to have to go up. It's necessary. I hate the idea but it's just necessary. We have to do better. This country needs to start moving toward the Scandinavian model.

by Anonymousreply 18805/23/2020

^ sorry, meant R179.

by Anonymousreply 18905/23/2020

Also regarding the LTC homes, they need more staff. They have problems with dementia residents who can be violent and there isn't enough staff to deal with them. A friend of mine was assaulted because he was expected to go into a room alone with a resident with dementia.

No one wants to talk about those things though, they want to make the issue about the seniors being the victims, not the workers. Meanwhile, everyone's all content to pay as little as possible to warehouse grandma and grandpa so they can preserve whatever inheritance they have coming.

And no one seems to be talking about the racial abuse many of the workers encounter in these homes either, just ask any minority woman what they put up with at their place of work on a regular basis.

by Anonymousreply 19005/23/2020

[quote]Meanwhile, everyone's all content to pay as little as possible to warehouse grandma and grandpa so they can preserve whatever inheritance they have coming.

That's kind of inaccurate. Long term care rates are set by the government. There is no way to shop for as little as possible. If it's a long term care home, the rate is the same everywhere (at least in Ontario.) Retirement living is an entirely different matter as is private enterprise but is not structured to provide for the intense care needs of long term care homes. Nor do they want to. They charge a fortune... no less than $5000 grand a month as I recall. My mother had dementia and in the early going lived in retirement living. But there came a point she wasn't... on brand... and even though they were for profit they politely said it was time for her to move elsewhere.

It's certainly fair that the LTCs could benefit from more staff, especially - paradoxically - because of the regulatory burden. During my mother's stay in LTC it became evident the staff was run off their feet trying to get everything done that they were required to complete, log and report. There were certain care types that agitated my mother and we were content to limit the frequency for everyone's sake - but primarily her's. But the home had to do it because the regulations demanded it. So great, let's take an old woman with dementia, undress her, put her naked in a hoist, lift up, swing over and then lower her into a bath multiple times a week because a) that won't freak her out and b) she breaks a sweat lifting so often she definitely needs that bath.

They also lived in total terror of falls - because when there's a fall there's usually a broken hip and that means hospital and that means a bed and that probably means pneumonia and that probably means death which definitely means a whole in depth investigation. The home spent so much time focusing on preventing falls.

In the bid to protect it was a frustrating mess. There is no room for judgment or interpretation.

by Anonymousreply 19105/23/2020

New reports suggest the increase in numbers in Ontario is overwhelmingly within the community and not in LTC homes as the Ford government and Ontario Public Health have been stating. Too much is open and too many people ignoring physical distancing.

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by Anonymousreply 19205/23/2020

[quote] It'd be like judging us in Toronto because Ontario voted for Ford.

Or judging us in Ontario because Toronto voted for Rob Ford...

by Anonymousreply 19305/23/2020

This is where my downstairs neighbour works as an administrative nurse. Yesterday I spoke to her briefly and according to her, the article leaves out a lot but at least stresses the most acute problem - the shortage of staff.

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by Anonymousreply 19405/23/2020

Much of the problem is how society views what's commonly seen as traditional "women's work." Same goes for daycare workers and even the teaching profession. People expect others' to care for their little darlings for wages barely above minimum. Teachers are vilified by the Conservative party and by their voters. Just look at the degrading memes aimed at the PM for instance.

Racism is rearing its head now as well since it's been widely reported that many of the underpaid and overworked LTC staff are new Canadians. I don't know how people didn't realize that many new immigrants work as attendants in these facilities. The jobs have lousy pay, there's not much rewarding about changing grandma and grandpas' diapers, and most Canadians don't want to do it, just as they don't want to go work as agricultural workers and the like. We're more concerned with the poor hard done by oil patch workers who squandered their money and have now lost their jobs.

Until this is all addressed, Canadians should stop with the faux outrage. Truth is, very few people care enough to actually change anything.

by Anonymousreply 19505/23/2020

[quote]Conservative support is tanking everywhere except Alberta and the prairies.

Yes, in the latest Abacus & Léger polls, the Liberals lead in every province except Alberta & Saskatchewan.

by Anonymousreply 19605/23/2020

Here's the new column that R181 referred to:

What Stephen Harper built over 10 years, Andrew Scheer has quickly squandered

By Chantal Hébert

Sat., May 23, 2020

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by Anonymousreply 19705/23/2020

And now Harper's blaming the media for his loss in 2015.

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by Anonymousreply 19805/23/2020

R198, I think that's American Conservative host Dennis Prager.

by Anonymousreply 19905/23/2020

Poor Stephen Harper. It's got to be hard knowing his hand picked replacement has the wit and charisma of a lump of cold oatmeal.

by Anonymousreply 20005/23/2020

That’s actually a description of Harper.

by Anonymousreply 20105/23/2020

Well it suits Scheer too. Harper was at least smart enough to be conniving and evil, Shceer's just a dolt - he'd be making photocopies in an insurance office in Regina if it weren't for Harper.

by Anonymousreply 20205/23/2020

Harper is lying when he complains the media was against him -- the majority of the media in Canada is right-wing as this chart shows:

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by Anonymousreply 20305/23/2020

Canadians,

Not really COVID related, by why, in a country that is supposed to be bilingual, are there so few bilingual speakers in the whole country?

Why so much animosity between English speakers and French speakers?

by Anonymousreply 20405/23/2020

I refuse to touch that.

by Anonymousreply 20505/23/2020

I hate The Globe and Mail so much

by Anonymousreply 20605/23/2020

r203 they are not right or left wing, they are behind whatever will boost their careers and save their jobs. The elitism that gets mistaken for "right wing" applies to all the limousine liberals in all the so called left wing parties, including the NDP. AFAIC, that party died with Jack Layton. (And yes, I'm aware he was well off, but he was well versed in social issues & he was genuinely comfortable with different types of people.)

by Anonymousreply 20705/23/2020

Everything's back to normal today! Check in with us again in two weeks...

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by Anonymousreply 20805/23/2020

Canada is doing fairly well. I've seen the stats, few deaths. They're not nearly as badly hit as their neighbor to the south.

by Anonymousreply 20905/24/2020

Today's 338 projection has the Liberals hitting 200 seats:

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by Anonymousreply 21005/24/2020

R209 Canada's greatest asset is its public health system and that fact that public health policy is drafted by medical professionals and not politicians. That being said, I'm really worried about Ontario and Quebec. The numbers are rising and I fear Toronto has the potential of becoming the next New York. People in the city are just not social distancing. Added to that, the Ontario government started to lift restrictions to early. We're hitting about 400 new cases a day in Ontario. We're likely going to spend summer in lockdown people.

by Anonymousreply 21105/24/2020

R211, I wish we would. It seems the only way to eliminate this thing enough that a cautious re-opening can be undertaken. We're going the wrong way. Mother's Day was only two weeks ago so that is what I think we're seeing now. There was no other event to explain it. Victoria Day was a week yesterday, so we should see the rise continue next on that basis and then in Toronto we'll have the great mass gathering in Trinity Bellwoods.

As a government, you can only do your best to control stupid people, of which there are many. What you can do is have a strategic testing plan in place and I see little evidence Ontario did. It's going to be a long, sad, frustrating summer.

by Anonymousreply 21205/25/2020

Have any of you been on public transportation recently? I haven't been on the Metro since March. I have taken the bus a few times, it's been free and empty. I've been using driving my old Camry more than ever. Montreal's current administration is well-known for not being car-friendly, which I didn't see as a bad thing, and up until recently I was considering not having a car.

I can't see doing without one now.

by Anonymousreply 21305/25/2020

There will not be another lockdown. If anything they will suggest people with underlying health issues stay home as well as those over 60. Herd immunity is where it's gonna be at going forward.

by Anonymousreply 21405/25/2020

R214 Truth is we have no idea what's going to happen, however, a second lockdown is a probable outcome. It may not be a country wide lock down since other provinces are doing a good job at containing the virus, but regional lockdowns are very likely.

The reason for a lockdown is to slow the spread of the virus so the hospital don't become overwhelmed with cases and have to start deciding who gets a ventilator and who doesn't. Even Ford has stated a second round of restrictions is not off the table. And this people with health issue should stay home while everyone else gets back to normal thing doesn't work. Plenty of young and health people require hospitalization due to complications.

If we're lucky and governments get their act together with testing and contact racing, maybe we'll avoid a strict lockdown, but I'm not optimistic.

by Anonymousreply 21505/25/2020

Oh, please. Here in Saskatchewan I believe we had four active cases, as of yesterday. This entire thing was massively overblown. I know people driving Uber because they lost their low paying jobs in the service industries.

There will be no more shutdowns. We can't afford it. Apparently our hospitals weren't over crowded in the least. We already have a horrible albeit "free" Healthcare system. Our bars and restaurants are supposed to open June 8th but at 50% capacity. Some may never financially recover from this.

Stupid salon owners have been complaining to the media that health inspectors aren't washing their hands. It's just a show of herd ignorance, at this point.

by Anonymousreply 21605/25/2020

R216 Of course the Saskatchewan numbers are low, because who the fuck lives in Saskatchewan? 100 people who are all related to the same brother and sister? R215 is right, localized lock downs are the realistic outcome. Every province except ON and Quebec currently has this under control. Ontario's curve today is higher than New York's with Toronto being the hardest hit. Ontario will likely have to impose tighter restrictions again, but that doesn't mean other provinces will, they have different governments and situations.

by Anonymousreply 21705/25/2020

And worth pointing out in the context of Sask. vs elsewhere, New York City itself is still under lockdown and probably will be last to be unlocked though I gather the reason in NYC is hospital capacity. I cite the example because the urban areas seem harder for the Western politicians to bring under control. Between the density and the lack of courage, they are afraid to act to get this under control.

I believe it will go to regional lockdowns and has to. I believe the City of Toronto should probably remain under one for some time. Most of the office workers are able to work remotely anyway. Provision of services is easier.

It's so frustrating to me we can't figure out exactly WHY Toronto is doing so badly. There is no effective testing regime. I don't know if it's because we've have dolts running public health or the government or both - and that's before you get to the stupid people who live her. Opinion can't even coalesce in a majority around whether Trinity Bellwoods was a disaster or not. Some of out betters, like the twin blowhards Richard Florida and Jennifer Keesmat, are arguing it isn't citizens fault they broke the rules (even though there's 1500 other parks and they weren't overcrowded) it's city's fault for not having enough parks. Now don't get me wrong - I am a resident and I think Toronto is one of the most poorly planned cities you can imagine - but I don't absolve people for making stupid choices in the context of we're all in this together.

by Anonymousreply 21805/25/2020

I work for Health Ontario. Public health officials are most concerned with the doubling effect: how quickly are the number of cases doubling. When Ford started lifting restrictions earlier this month, the number of cases was doubling at a rate of every 16 days (in march we were doubling cases every 3 to 5 days). Right now, the province can handle the current upswing but if we get back into the range of cases doubling every 7 to 10 days we're in serious trouble. Hospital capacity will start becoming a significant issue, and restrictions will be reinstated. That's not an if, it's part of pandemic policy now in place.

Had we not put restrictions in place back in March, it's like the death toll would be around 15K right now in Ontario. If we continue on the current path and don't put restrictions back in place if our case loads start rapidly doubling, the estimate is an additional 30 to 50K will die by December. the current projections are about 10 to 15K deaths by the end of the year of we maintain the current rates of infection.

by Anonymousreply 21905/25/2020

R219, interesting. Thank you. To clarify, 10 -15 more or 10 - 15 total? It seems a shame. We're at about 2100... to concede to 5 to 7 times more in six months... maybe that's the best they can do under the circumstances.

Can you tell from the grapevine, are they (the royal they... politicians, health experts) communicating this poorly on purpose (i.e. a strategy of keeping people uninformed on the detail, vs. the broad strokes, or are they just fucking it up? I say poorly because now Andrew Cuomo is the gold standard on talking to his population plainly. No elected in Canada is Andrew Cuomo.

Are they intending any serious effort at sero testing to determine the resolved cases either asymptomatic or so minimally symptomatic they didn't get interpreted by the infected as covid vs. your run of the mill respiratory infection?

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Yes, Richard Florida is a blowhard and a huckster, but he's right that Toronto should have created more parks in the past 20 years (and not just for social distancing during a pandemic). The way the city, especially south of Dundas, has been sold to developers, rather than planned, by multiple mayors, is a scandal.

by Anonymousreply 22205/25/2020

Yes, I agree, R222. Keesmaat was one of those planners for a time... she seems so woefully out of touch. I remember when she ran for mayor, banging on about "a grand boulevard" to replace the Gardiner (which is not a good thing, I won't argue.) But we are all past "grand boulevards" as language that motivates voters. She's a champagne socialist. It is possible for two things to be true at once: Toronto is badly planned (but actually not short on parks) and those idiots at Trinity Bellwoods were pretty thoughtless and could have gone elsewhere.

Toronto is such a podunky town... our politicians fall easily under the sway of a "branded" expert. David Miller wouldn't tie his shoes unless motherly Jane Jacobs had written about it and Keesmaat and Florida are glam-smart so our feeble little do gooders take them as gospel.

That said I really hope Raildeck come to pass.

by Anonymousreply 223Last Tuesday at 6:55 AM

Doug Ford to speak about the conditions in LTC homes as reported by the military. Wonder how he'll spin this?

by Anonymousreply 224Last Tuesday at 9:23 AM

You and me both r224.

by Anonymousreply 225Last Tuesday at 9:54 AM

Well, the Cons are spinning it alright, claiming that the Libs knew about the report two weeks ago and only released it today - which is bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 226Last Tuesday at 10:43 AM

I just finished reading about it and can't figure out what the cons could go on about.

by Anonymousreply 227Last Tuesday at 11:24 AM

NDP is onto the blame gain now too, placing the blame on the feds.

by Anonymousreply 228Last Tuesday at 1:26 PM

*blame game*

by Anonymousreply 229Last Tuesday at 1:27 PM

We need to be honest about the LTC scandal. This has been decades in the making. It started with the Harris government who began cutting funding and privatizing long-term health care. The Liberals continued this trend, and Ford slashed the inspection budgets to the point that only 9 out of 600 long-term facilities in Ontario were inspected last years. Ford says he inherited a broken system, which is true, but he has done nothing to correct it. As usual, he is shifting blame everywhere. Ultimetly, as the sitting government, he will likely have to pay for it politically. Without a doubt the minister in charge will have to resign, and Ford's new found popularity is likely going to plummet. But this is on all of us. Despite reports over the years, elder care is ignored by most of the population. It is never an election issue, and when reports like these come out, the go ignored and nothing changes.

by Anonymousreply 230Last Tuesday at 2:24 PM

R228 NDP are blaming Ford (as they should). Long-term care is a Provincial responsibility. The liberals are just a guilty in this. McGuinty and Wynne did nothing to improve Harris' cuts. The only party with clean hands right now, is actually the NDP.

by Anonymousreply 231Last Tuesday at 2:26 PM

Don Davies was just on Evan Solomon blaming the Feds, R231 and saying that Justin Trudeau is hiding from the issue. Singh just said the same thing on Vassey.

by Anonymousreply 232Last Tuesday at 2:29 PM

I find the blame game right now really ugly. I don’t want to see them chewing on each other. I just wanna hear about solutions. I firmly believe now when it comes to long-term care profit has no place in the mix. I don’t want to see it become a big bureaucratic thing. I’d like to see a bunch of nonprofit corporations structured drawing on a range of experts and points of view who are beholden to nothing but care.

by Anonymousreply 233Last Tuesday at 2:59 PM

[quote]Don Davies was just on Evan Solomon blaming the Feds, [R231] and saying that Justin Trudeau is hiding from the issue. Singh just said the same thing on Vassey.

Isn't it primarily an area of provincial jurisdiction? Why are they trying to blame it on Trudeau?

by Anonymousreply 234Last Tuesday at 3:57 PM

It is, R234, but they're saying the Feds should put LTC homes under the Canada Health Act, and that Trudeau's government had the report two weeks ago and didn't release it right away.

by Anonymousreply 235Last Tuesday at 4:05 PM

I don't believe for a second that the Ontario government didn't know anything about this before these reports. Anyone whose had a loved one in long-term care know shit has been going on for years. These places are chronically understaffed, and cut corners in order to make a profit.

by Anonymousreply 236Last Tuesday at 9:28 PM

I can readily believe Doug Ford had no clue. He's a multi-millionaire. People who are well off can not only afford to pay for good private care, they have access to information/networks to know where the best places are. Good GPs can pull strings to get you on waiting lists. With the gutting of the middle class, people are becoming more isolated in enclaves at the extremes.

There really are Two Solitudes in Canada now, & it's not English/French. Rich/Upper middle urban vs poor, lower middle class rural.

by Anonymousreply 237Last Wednesday at 7:16 AM

Is anyone else tired of hearing about how seniors built this country? All the politicians from Trudeau, to Singh, to Scheer, to Ford are saying it.

They didn't build the country, most of these seniors were teens in the 1940s, 50s, and 60s. Saying that they "built" the country totally erases the people that came before them, Indigenous people, Chinese immigrants who helped build our railways etc...and it indicates that the country is somehow finished, and that contributions of younger generations aren't as important.

The saying also reeks of Harper's "old stock" Canadian bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 238Last Wednesday at 7:29 AM

I'll be an asshole here and add that people who voted Conservative set the stage for for-profit LTC homes, austerity, less government oversight, less rules and regulations etc.... People need to realize that this is exactly what happens when you give conservatives power. We should all take this as a warning and not forget it since we've apparently already forgotten the lessons from disasters such as Walkerton and Lac Magantic.

by Anonymousreply 239Last Wednesday at 7:35 AM

R239 bring up Harris and Walkerton with an Ontario right winger and they go ape shit trying to defend what happened.

by Anonymousreply 240Last Wednesday at 9:00 AM
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