Why Isn’t a China Being Held Accountable?

We can't even hold Trump accountable. For anything.

Hey, maybe Trump can hit China with a new tariff. That will teach them!

Good question, OP.

This thread isn’t about Trump, it’s about China and its recklessness which allowed this virus to spread. Are you capable, R1, of having an adult conversation that doesn’t revolve around Trump bashing?

The economic mess has little to do with China. That is just widespread, unnecessary panic

I'm not R1, but the spread could have been much better contained here - and only the simple minded would only blame China.

Even now, the federal government is letting us down.

This is going to look like a very different country in two weeks when we see how widespread this really is and we realize how our health care system is unable to cope.

Trump dismantled the pandemic team. When are maggots going to hold him accountable? When will trump donate his empty hotels for Corona virus patients?

Uh, so according to your puerile and idiotic logic, R5, it’s simple minded to place the most blame the government—the CCP—which actually allowed this pandemic to start in the first place?

Yes, the US response, as has the response in many western nations has been utterly pathetic and Trump is responsible for the US’s lack of testing and preparation. But we wouldn’t be in this situation if it weren’t for the corrupt and evil CCP.

The economic “mess”—could spiral into a depression, R4 has everything to do with China. Because of this virus, many industries won’t have a way of generating any significant revenue. Meanwhile, China has mostly contained the virus that it allowed to spread, so its economy will rebound.

Be careful, this thread might get deleted.

China made the genomic sample available to the scientific community in January 10, Op. So you're wrong about them destroying the sample in early January.

[quote]it’s simple minded to place the most blame the government—the CCP—which actually allowed this pandemic to start in the first place?

I said at R5: "only the simple minded would [bold]only[/bold] blame China.

I never placed most of blame the on the government.

I'm implying more than one source is responsible.

That I have to explain something so simple to you . . .

The US response has been no worse than any other western country. Not trying to apologize for Trump, but you do have to put things in perspective.

It's the China that has brought the world to it's knees over this. Not Trump. And China should be called out for it.

Calling it the "Chinese Virus" puts the blame on them. As it should.

The wet markets: I agree they must be closed. Traditional medicine derived from animals must be eliminated. Ideally violations would result in the death penalty.

However, pushing China too hard to do it might result in their defending it in the name of nationalism. You have to do it gently to get results, with positive reinforcement. Trump isn't capable of working with other developed countries to make that happen. Perhaps Justin Trudeau would be a good "ambassador" from the developed world. Or Moon Jae-in of South Korea ("Big brother (China is traditionally seen as Korea's "big brother"), would you please consider eliminating undomesticated animals from your markets?").

Someone recently said on another thread, that China will be be the downfall of civilization.

Nothing good ever comes from China.

[quote]I'm implying more than one source is responsible.

No you're wrong about that.

It is China that is responsible. Period.

The rest of the world is now trying to cope with their carelessness.

[quote]However, pushing China too hard to do it might result in their defending it in the name of nationalism. You have to do it gently to get results, with positive reinforcement.

Please save us your white savior complex.

China doesn't give a rat's ass about "positive reinforcement. ".

At the moment I think we have other things to worry about. Getting revenge isn't going to a damn thing for us

[quote]would you please consider eliminating undomesticated animals from your markets?".

LOL.

Why would china suppress information about this virus? Why didn't they want to inform the rest of the world about its existence? Were they ashamed or something?

I think china should be sanctioned for the mess. All western countries should sanction the fuck out of China. The entire world is being inconvenienced by this shit. I don't like this.

China is absolutely responsible for this. However, aggressively calling them out is not helpful right now: they have expertise with the virus now, and they have manufacturing capacity for what the rest of the world needs right now.

Call them out, but be careful about it. After the pandemic, years from now I suppose, we can be more aggressive.

R19, everyone's economies are intertwined with China's. Sanctions won't do it. Diplomacy might.

Exactly, R16. This fear of offending almighty China, by demanding they follow the same rules as the rest of the developed world—whether it relates to hygiene, trade, et al, is Why China has grown more aggressive and more bellicose recently with its propaganda

It’s because many global leaders are pussies, and don’t want to stand up to this repressive regime for fear of economic reprisal. It’s high time western nations take a stand against the CCP before it’s too late.

China should face strong sanctions from the US and Europe. As has been done with Russia. Etc.

The US can't do it alone but now is a unique opportunity for the rest of the western world to come together and universally condemn China.

"Should" is different from what it possible: sanctions are impossible.

[quote]would you please consider eliminating undomesticated animals from your markets?".

Please? Pretty please?

That's how you get your way with China: gently asking, again and again, and showing deference.

No one expects an aggressive response but this tip toeing around China is ridiculous.

What would holding China accountable look like, OP?

China needs to be shamed relentlessly by western nations and move as much manufacturing out of China (especially critical health manufacturing) as possible. The west should absolutely not trust Huawei, the telecom arm of the CCP with their 5G networks; unfortunately, this case is a lost cause as they poor European leadership chose convenience and low cost equipment over the safety and security of their networks.

The WHO is a corrupt organization which derives most of its revenue from US taxpayers but has its nose buried far up China’s ass.

This pandemic has shown that the WHO cannot be trusted as a competent, reliable, or objective global health agency. The WHO must be gutted, corruption exposed, and Dr. Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus should be disgraced.

Why isn't our President being held accountable?

R30 has a whole shopping list of Republican/Conservative talking points in his lame post.

Well I reckon it's cause a hurricane is a coming.'

The US wasn’t even held responsible for the Iraq war. Fuck off, OP.

I agree with R30s points 100%. Those who try to claim that these are Repub talking points or are racist should be shamed just like Russian trolls.

Chinese people need to stop eating all the weird disease ridden animals that transmit viruses to humans.

Americans need to stop warring round the world. Both need to stop and it's not racist to point it out.

China needs to be held accountable ( unless russia is to blame?) so this does not happen again!!

Actually, R30 there is strong bi-partisan support, including from Nancy Pelosi, on restricting or outright banning Huawei in western nations.

The threat of China isn’t a partisan issue. It is an issue of the Democracy you take for granted, being challenged by an oppressive communist regime hellbent on challenging the liberal world order. For people low information individuals like you, by the time you recognize what’s happening, it’ll be too late. Blocked.

Japanese need to stop killing dolphins. Inuit need to stop whaling and the countries that cut of clits and foreskin need to stop too.

All countries need to stop fossil fueling and switch to green.

This is important for Biden to be tough on China but not be a racist prick about it either!

R41 Trump's tariffs were declared too aggressive. Let's just face it, if it's up to the establishment, not only will China continue to get away with its crimes, but they will have enough leverage to make threats against the US.

What the fuck does a war in Iraq started seventeen years ago have to do with COVID-19, R34? You can’t even form a logical, relevant argument to the topic at hand so you resort to a war from an administration thrice removed. Blocked asshole.

[quote] Uh, so according to your puerile and idiotic logic, [R5], it’s simple minded to place the most blame the government—the CCP—which actually allowed this pandemic to start in the first place?

It may not be simple-minded but what is the point? We have bigger problems to deal with right now than making sure China is properly shamed. Wagging a finger at China won't do anything to improve the situation here but demanding accountability and appropriate action from our own president and government might. We can deal with China later.

Of course “wagging a finger” at China won’t stop the pandemic, but it’s better than letting China off completely scot free, which seems to be what the corrupt WHO and most liberal-leaning media seems to advocate for.

I don’t see why China can’t apologize and acknowledge their very big fuck up, and acknowledge that the CCP’s actions (and inactions) have directly lead to the death of thousands and by the time this thing is over, tens of thousands.

Larry Klayman, a wacko Trumptard lawsuit happy former prosecutor has filed a $20 trillion lawsuit against China over the Coronavirus. He currently has lawsuits in the billions of dollars against Elizabeth Warren, Joe Biden, Pete Budigeig, & Facebook. At some point he had that murderous filth George Zimmerman as a client.

OP is clearly a MAGAt spouting MAGAt Fox News talking points.

China: 1. Is one of the worst countries when it comes to the environment. 2. Eats dogs in a brutal way. 3. Hunts endangered species. 4. Has an awful human rights record, especially in regard to homosexuals.

Why is anyone in a rush to defend them about anything?

"Those who try to claim that these are Repub talking points or are racist should be shamed just like Russian trolls."

And those that try to push their horse manure, seat-of-the-pants pseudo-intellectual bullshit-as-fact crap should be shamed as the MAGA Republican dirtball scumbags they really are.

OP = MAGAt MAGAt MAGAt MAGAt MAGAt MAGAt MAGAt MAGAt MAGAt MAGAt MAGAt

R48 chinese americans get their feelings hurt and sjws feel rage when someone marginalized gets their feelings hurt. But seriously if magats had their way aids would be called the faggot disease.

Well you R47 clearly lack the critical thinking skills to see that Trump’s incompetence isn’t the root cause of this dire global situation. China is.

You, and others like you are a disgrace. You’ll stop at nothing to defend oppressive regimes like the CCP, even Iran (who hates and murders gays without any recourse), because you’re so full of hatred for Republicans. You’d rather see a hegemonic China than stand behind your own country, which in spite of its numerous fuckups is objectively a much more fair, just, and Democratic country than China.

[quote] The US response has been no worse than any other western country.

Really? You have anything to back that up?

[quote]Why isn't our President being held accountable?

Deflect. Deflect.

Trump is another issue. Start a thread called "Why Isn’t Trump Being Held Accountable?"

This thread is about China.

[quote] Why is anyone in a rush to defend them about anything?

No one is doing that.

Blaming China is an intentional deflection from the horrifyingly bad job Trump did.

You are fooling anyone.

[quote] Why Isn’t a China Being Held Accountable?

"a China"?

R55 The one doing the deflection is you.

[quote] because you’re so full of hatred for Republicans.

You have a lot of fucking nerve going on a gay board and pointing fingers at people, wondering why on God's green earth they may possibly hate refukklicans.

As far as deflecting is concerned, the only people deflecting are MAGAts like OP. Always trying to deflect blame away from Trump's incompetent handling of the situation by using classic deflecting whataboutism. Whatabout China? Whatabout borders? Whatabout this? Whatabout that?

Would the so-called expert at R52 please just go die in a fucking grease fire already.

You sound just like that jack ass Rush Limpballs, who thinks every piece of garbage falling out of his cancer ridden mouth is the gospel truth, an expert on everything but knowledgeable about squat shit.

[quote] The one doing the deflection is you.

You are a 12-year old. "I know you are, but what am I!"

Nations need to come together and strong arm China into monetarily compensating is. Fuck ‘em!

[quote]As far as deflecting is concerned, the only people deflecting are MAGAts like OP. Always trying to deflect blame away from Trump's incompetent handling of the situation by using classic deflecting whataboutism. Whatabout China? Whatabout borders? Whatabout this? Whatabout that?

*sigh*

Yes. Trump must be held accountable for his horrible handling of this crisis.

Now, may we get on with the thread:

"Why Isn’t China Being Held Accountable?"

[quote] "Why Isn’t China Being Held Accountable?"

No, it's "Why Isn’t A China Being Held Accountable?" Get it right.

And what exactly would that look like? Be specific.

For the 11 year old at R60: the title of the thread is: "Why Isn’t China Being Held Accountable?"

No it isn't, r64.

[quote]No, it's "Why Isn’t A China Being Held Accountable?" Get it right.

Further childish deflection from R63.

[quote] Further childish deflection from [R63].

Like worrying about "holding accountable" a sovereign country to deflect from the actions of the incompetent boob in the White House.

See how that works?

It's just amazing to me how Russia's meddling was constantly front and center on the news, with some even stating that Russia's efforts were a declaration of war. However, China's behavior is simply swept under the rug and those who try to disseminate information are accused of racism.

[quote] Chinese people need to stop eating all the weird disease ridden animals that transmit viruses to humans.

First of all, we have no idea how this virus started. They’ve only been able to link it to Germany. Secondly, it’s on the outskirts in China where they eat non-Western diets. You sound like a typical dumb America. America has murdered more people than this stupid virus.

R68 = Boris

I don’t think people will really start taking this seriously until it starts to affect them more directly—I.e. job loss, they themselves get infected, or god forbid someone they love dies. Then, and only then will their heads come out of their asses and recognize that the blame on China for starting this pandemic.

Governments weren’t prepared. Trump is an idiot who downplayed. Blah, blah blah. At the end of the day, filthy wet markets and the CCP’s obsession with staying in control are the primary catalysts of this unfolding tragedy.

R70 = 映月

"At the end of the day, filthy wet markets and the CCP’s obsession with staying in control are the primary catalysts of this unfolding tragedy."

Link, please. Otherwise you're pulling shit out of your filthy, diseased ridden, prolapsed asshole.

In fairness, r53, the other poster is correct. Europe's response has been as bad, and in some cases, worse than ours.

I would like evidence of that, r74.

R69, it's been pretty well documented where the virus came from. It wasn't Germany. It was a bat to a pangolin to a human to other humans and it was in Wuhan.

You could easily also blame the tourists going to China and returning, various cruise lines, a certain Orange idiot who will more than likely help us surpass the death tolls in China, the overall ignorance of a population unwilling to believe it was a threat, etc.

It was all a perfect shitstorm of multiple players. I blame the obsession with the global economy and worrying about IT instead of citizens. It takes citizen participation to have an economy, and yes, we need to keep going, but we've seen the results of this mistake, and not just in China.

RIP, Dr. Wenliang...a true, global hero.

R75 clearly you haven't been following the world news. The mistakes made in Italy and the UK have been well documented. And the whole of Europe just got around to restricting travel today so it's going to get worse over there.

Italy wasn't doing any testing unless the person had direct ties to China even though they had a huge spike in ARDS. They weren't isolating people unless they had a direct link to China, which caused medical professionals to come down with it and spread the virus in Lombardy. They never took into account community spread. It was a shitshow. And then they stopped direct flights to China, which means fuck all in Europe. This hindered the ability to track people coming into Italy from affected regions because they just came through Spain or France and then into Italy.

And just look up the UK on your own.

The WHO also bent over backwards to not offend China. The head of that agency needs to be removed.

For the trolls here (like R73) apologizing for China:

From "The Atlantic":

"China Is Avoiding Blame by Trolling the World"

"Beijing is successfully dodging culpability for its role in spreading the coronavirus."

[quote] [R75] clearly you haven't been following the world news. The mistakes made in Italy and the UK have been well documented.

Actually, I have. It is not enough to point at Italy and the UK and say "Look, they made mistakes too!" The claim wasn't that the US was the only place where mistakes were made. The claim was that other places made mistakes AS BAD as those made by the Trump administration. That has not been shown.

Um, r80, Italy made mistakes as bad as Trump. It's why they have a HUGE outbreak and death toll. So say differently says more about you and your disassociation from reality. What actually saved Trump's ass and why it may not be as bad here are the governors. Quite a few governors recognized that Trump was flailing and stepped in to fill the void. Cuomo being the most vocal and a model for other states.

Perhaps we should just lob a couple of thermonuclear weapons on China now because I know viruses cannot stand heat of that magnitude.

[quote]The claim was that other places made mistakes AS BAD as those made by the Trump administration.

R81 What? Mistakes MUCH worse than Trump.

Italy did not lockdown the country until March 13th with over 1,000 dead.

The UK has 104 deaths... way more than the US (for population) but they still haven't taken the measures the US has.

R83 So refreshing to read a thread that cuts through all the BS.

[quote] So say differently says more about you

Except I didn't say differently. I didn't make an argument. I asked for evidence.

And r83, did they have the information Trump had?

And again, the claim I responded to was this:

[quote] The US response has been no worse than any other western country.

Pointing at two countries and arguing that their responses were worse does not show that the response of EVERY OTHER western country was as bad as the US's or worse. Which was the claim.

For the trolls apologizing for China....

"How China’s Incompetence Endangered the World"

(The author was awarded the Pulitzer Prize for Explanatory Journalism in 1996 for a series of works published in Newsday, chronicling the Ebola virus outbreak in Zaire.)

[quote]And [R83], did they have the information Trump had?

Your stupidity has no limit.

For the trolls here like R79 who think a magazine opinion piece is indeed fact, go fuck yourself.

[qoute] Your stupidity has no limit.

Because I asked a question? I get it it. Only lockstep agreement accepted.

Chinese trolls have infested the DL. FACT!

We can't call them "Vlad" so what name should we us?

[quote]Pointing at two countries and arguing that their responses were worse does not show that the response of EVERY OTHER western country was as bad as the US's or worse. Which was the claim.

R85 Why does the World Health Organization consider Europe, not the US, the epicentre of the pandemic ?

r90 Ching Chong

"Chinese trolls have infested the DL. FACT!"

FACT: Pompous know-it-alls who have no scientific or medical training or research under their belt are suddenly experts on a disease that 6 months ago no one knew nothing about., This, despite the fact that the science/medical/research communities hasn't had much of a chance to determine it's origins, pathology, etc.

FACT: Blowhard trolls like R90 will never be able to tell the difference between fact and their opinion.

"Btw, I also wipe back to front and then eat it. "

Why are you taking it so personally r93? Was the comment directed at you? What horse do you have in the race?

r93 you just outed yourself as the REAL TROLL! Good job, fucktard.

The horse I have in this race, R95, is I'm challenging the assholes llike R90 and childish fucktards like R94 and R95 to put up some facts to back up the utter bullshit that is being thrown around in this thread.

You gotta love the DL, constantly chastising MAGA Deplorables for their stupidity and ignorance, when DL has an over abundance of ignorant and stupid fools of their own.

I have little faith that the Chinese will stop eating anything that moves and will improve their hygiene and sanitation methods. They'll never change, and no amount of disease is going to make them. They couldn't care less what other countries think or say about them.

You really didn't answer the question of why are YOU taking it so personally, r93. It wasn't directed towards you, right?

[quote]Some American commentators and Democratic politicians are aghast at Donald Trump and Republicans for referring to the pandemic as the “Wuhan virus” and repeatedly pointing to China as the source of the pandemic. In naming the disease COVID-19, the World Health Organization specifically avoided mentioning Wuhan. Yet in de-emphasizing where the epidemic began (something China has been aggressively pushing for), we run the risk of obscuring Beijing’s role in letting the disease spread beyond its borders.

China has a history of mishandling outbreaks, including SARS in 2002 and 2003. But Chinese leaders’ negligence in December and January—for well over a month after the first outbreak in Wuhan—far surpasses those bungled responses. The end of last year was the time for authorities to act, and, as Nicholas D. Kristof of The New York Times has noted, “act decisively they did—not against the virus, but against whistle-blowers who were trying to call attention to the public health threat"

This is what allowed the virus to spread across the globe. Because the Chinese Communist Party was pretending that there was little to be concerned about, Wuhan was a porous purveyor of the virus. The government only instituted a lockdown in Wuhan on January 23—seven weeks after the virus first appeared. As events in Italy, the United States, Spain, and France have shown, quite a lot can happen in a week, much less seven. By then, mayor Zhou Xianwang admitted that more than 5 million people had already left Wuhan.

[quote]If that weren’t enough, we can plumb recent history for an even more damning account. In a 2019 article, Chinese experts warned it was “highly likely that future SARS- or MERS-like coronavirus outbreaks will originate from bats, and there is an increased probability that this will occur in China.” In a 2007 journal article, infectious-disease specialists published a study arguing that “the presence of a large reservoir of SARS-CoV-like viruses in horseshoe bats, together with the culture of eating exotic mammals in southern China, is a time bomb. The possibility of the reemergence of SARS and other novel viruses from animals or laboratories and therefore the need for preparedness should not be ignored.” It was ignored.

r93 / r97 = r73 = prolapsed asshole troll

Put this TROLL on ignore and half the thread disappears.

It was directed at me and anybody else who disagrees with the bullshit being thrown around on this thread.

The people making these bullshit, didactic statements about the origins of the disease, when even the scientific community isn't completely sure of its origins at this point, sound just like Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson back in the early 80's. Both of them were, completely certain that AIDS was God's punishment against gay people and their wicked, evil lifestyles, and were smugly delighted in every death that virus caused.

I take ignorance and stupidity very seriously, R95, , especially when it's disguised as dogmatic, scientific fact.

[quote]This, despite the fact that the science/medical/research communities hasn't had much of a chance to determine it's origins, pathology, etc.

The origins of the virus are not in dispute. Pangolins infected by bats that were then consumed by humans in Wuhan. The filthy, disgusting practice of eating animals no human should ever eat caused this.

[quote]The people making these bullshit, didactic statements about the origins of the disease, when even the scientific community isn't completely sure of its origins at this point,

Who is doubting the origins of the disease?

Go fuck yourself, ignorant tool at R102. If you spent have as much time reading then you do trolling DL and playing the role of third rate detective, you might someday have something worth while to say.

This is what diplomacy is for. Give it time.

r93 is off her meds. Please ignore this troll! NO where in the post at r90 does it say anything about medicine, science or disease . NO WHERE! All it says the Chinese trolls are at the DL just like Russian ones. That is it. Laughing at r93.

[quote]And [R83], did they have the information Trump had?

No, everyonenin the world had been living under a rock since December. This has to be the dumbest thing I've read.

[quote] The horse I have in this race, [R95], is I'm challenging the assholes llike [R90] and childish fucktards like [R94] and [R95] to put up some facts to back up the utter bullshit that is being thrown around in this thread. You gotta love the DL, constantly chastising MAGA Deplorables for their stupidity and ignorance, when DL has an over abundance of ignorant and stupid fools of their own.

[quote] It was directed at me and anybody else who disagrees with the bullshit being thrown around on this thread. The people making these bullshit, didactic statements about the origins of the disease, when even the scientific community isn't completely sure of its origins at this point, sound just like Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson back in the early 80's. Both of them were, completely certain that AIDS was God's punishment against gay people and their wicked, evil lifestyles, and were smugly delighted in every death that virus caused. I take ignorance and stupidity very seriously, [R95], , especially when it's disguised as dogmatic, scientific fact.

I have the feeling that if this virus had started in Kenya or Senegal, you'd have no problem with the ignorance and stupidity disguised as dogmatic, scientific fact.

PUT THE UNHINGED BI POLAR MENTAL CASE TROLL AT R106 ON IGNORE AND HALF THREAD DISAPPEARS.

[quote]This has to be the dumbest thing I've read.

R109 Yeah, that's dumb, but this gem is even dumber:

[quote]the scientific community isn't completely sure of its origins at this point,

r106 = r103

Whoever it is saying the origins of the coronavirus is in dispute is an idiot. The coronavirus is endemic to bats. It's never been in dispute where it came from. If it started in Germany as you claim then you'd be looking at China level infection and deaths prior to it hitting China in December.

r112, this has to be someone trolling. The person is just too dumb,, even for DL standards.

r112 where is that quote in the thread? What number?

Why is thread greyed out? I’m convinced this website has been infiltrated by CCP trolls whose sole objective is to spin misinformation and propaganda or this site is filled with disgraceful traitors who want to a China-led global world order.

Fuck this site and fuck any American that will come to the defense of communist China.

r117 you're talking about r93. Put this bipolar mental case on "ignore" and read what she's been saying. She is the perfect example of a troll. Hopefully she'll be thrown into a grease fire soon.

This thread should really not be grayed out.

OP, many individual (Western) correspondents and other reporters in China, some of whom have lived and worked there for years, have explained to their audiences the extent to which Xi Jinping's government is responsible for the global spread of this pandemic. They have told the story of how the Chinese government covered up the situation, allowed 5 million potentially affected people to leave Wuhan (and Hubei province) and travel freely, without restrictions, how critical intellectuals who published articles about the crisis were demoted and/or punished; how the national government attempted to shift the blame to regional authorities, and so on. All the information is out there, and anyone who is remotely well informed about the situation is aware of these facts. Just find a good veteran journalist (Evan Osnos for The New Yorker comes to find) and read their articles, follow them on Twitter.

Which again, R119 is why I’m starting to believe the CCP intentionally let this turn into an international crisis knowing it would destabilize the world economy and accelerate their path to world domination.

Western media is dominated by SJW’s and idiot reporters who care more about not hurting China’s feelings rather than holding this lying, scheming regime accountable for all the damage it’s done.

Like I said above, people won’t really care until this starts affecting them directly.

[quote]Why Isn’t a China Being Held Accountable?

China currently holds $1.07 TRILLION of US debt.

[Quote] people won’t really care until this starts affecting them directly.

BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!! Americans are fucktards!!!!!!!!!

I gave you a W&W, OP. It helps stop your greyed-out (by CCP bots) thread from being deleted.

R122 is oblivious to the fact that no country is going to hold China "accountable".

R121, China could offload all of its US debt, but it would end up devaluing the yuan.

China's currency, the yuan, is not fully free floating. Beijing uses its Treasury holdings as a key tool to stabilize the yuan within a targeted range, against the dollar in particular.

Translation: it’s not going to happen. China’s economy is already is free fall, they aren’t going to sell U.S. debt all at once, which would put further pressure in their economy.

[Quote] China’s economy is already is free fall

Hasn't it been in a "free fall" since the crash of 2008? So when is it going to splat on the ground already?

We've been worrying about the effect on the supply chain since we realized the illness would interrupt Chinese manufacturing. Well, let's take advantage. Once things start getting back to normal, let's boycott Chinese products. We will already have been weaned off their cheap crap. Let's stay away from it.

You're making Huawei sad.

[quote] This thread should really not be grayed out.

A similar thread to this one was deleted. Very weird.

As much as I hate a Trump, electing Biden just means regressing to Obama’s China policy—which is to do nothing, even courage China’s undermining of the US through targeted misinformation campaigns, predatory trade practices, turning a blind eye to intellectual property theft, etc.

China is 100% the biggest threat to US period. The fact that Biden is still clinging to this clearly outdated 20 year-old notion that China will “liberalize” and observe the rules-based global order has been clearly disproven based on their actions. Biden is therefore not fit to be President.

Newsflash: Much of Asia is barbaric and homophobic. Eastern religion and medicine isn’t magic and is useless. Let it go and stop defending them. You’re actually less “woke”.

[quote] Eastern religion and medicine isn’t magic and is useless.

A-China isn't a-treating COVID-19 with "Eastern religion and medicine," you dimwit.

You know exactly what I mean. You think anything non-American is “cool”, but the reality is that the Chinese are just as bad as flyover rednecks here.

[quote] You think anything non-American is “cool”, but the reality is that the Chinese are just as bad as flyover rednecks here.

Nobody thinks China is cool, dipshit. And I loathe all forms of quackery, including herbal medicine. But that's not what contemporary Chinese medical doctors practice, and outside of remote rural areas, Chinese citizens are VASTLY better educated than "flyover rednecks." Are you a redneck? You seem very ignorant.

[quote]Chinese citizens are VASTLY better educated

Great, great.

You can have them. I'd rather live among the average American.

(And I've lived in Europe for decades and NYC before that...just so you know.)

BTW: "flyover rednecks." "Are you a redneck?"

You're quite the bigot, aren't you?

Just watched The Hunt on demand this weekend and the stereotypes seemed spot on.

r133, well maybe?

[R134] You know exactly what I’m talking about. There are many Americans who think anything that is considered Asian or Eastern is soooo cool and enlightened, also known as “oriental magic”. As far as Chinese being better educated, they just appear to be because they’re able to pay their way into any university, and just get pushed through.

[R134] You know exactly what I’m talking about. There are many Americans who think anything that is considered Asian or Eastern is soooo cool and enlightened, also known as “oriental magic”. As far as Chinese being better educated, they just appear to be because they’re able to pay their way into any university, and just get pushed through.