**Official Democratic Debate Thread - 03.15.2020**

What time does it start?

Sorry boomers, I have to watch the latest 90 Day Fiance.

I hope you two oldsters comport yourselves with dignity in these trying times.

R1, it starts at 8 p.m. EST.

My bet would be that Burnie goes all in intentionally trying to antagonize and fluster Biden in hopes that he can make Biden look bad.

No interest in this. BurnOut’s campaign ended on Super Tuesday.

Thank you, r3. Hopefully it'll be streamed on YouTube.

It should stream live on CNN, R6

I'll watch until 9:00 when Westworld returns. I've waited three years for a new season.

No matter what, Reddit's r/Politics page will have a meltdown. Then come Tuesday when Joe demolishes Bernie they will double down on the DNC is corrupt narrative and refuse to back Joe.

CNN tells us where you can watch the debate.

i think Anderson is sick. I mean he's stumbling on his words, has a runny nose. Someone get him tested before he gets two close to our candidates. They are in the same room!

[quote]intentionally trying to antagonize and fluster Biden in hopes that he can make Biden look bad

Biden can do that all by himself, R4. He doesn’t need anyone’s help.

Quite honestly i am so freaked out about going to work tomorrow with the covid-19 Stuff I really do not want to watch. I’m voting Biden whether its a good debate or not.

Burnie should watch trying to antagonize since he's basically at death's door with his heart issues. He really better try to keep things under control otherwise he's just expediting the inevitable for him.

And Burnie still won't win. He just keeps humiliating himself.

Podiums six feet apart.

Elbow bumps!

CNN panel sitting 6 feet apart. Bernie and Biden debating on an empty silent set with no audience. We live in strange times.

I'm sure we can get this debate done in 30 minutes, right? Fifteen minutes each to talk is fair. Way more than they've gotten in the last debates.

I mean, unless they break into a fistfight onstage, I doubt the debate will even be mentioned in the first 30 minutes on the news tomorrow.

I thought they were going to sit for this debate?

r18 it's like the old JFK v Nixon Debate.

What if Biden and Bernie announced that were teaming up--Biden as Pres, Bernie as VP--to go against Trump starting tonight.

Moderators are not 6 feet apart.

Why would Biden want Burnie on his ticket? He doesn't need him.

Democrats have clearly told Burnie he's humiliating himself and are not interested.

Good point r23!

90 seconds to answer questions. Great. Another farce.

Then Biden would lose support, r22.

Burn Out should have requested he be in a bubble considering his major health issues.

Joe, stop coughing!!!! Bernie, change your damn tie.

And Joe pulls his first “my time is up” when he runs out of words. Yay.

Perfect answer!! Bernie! Shut the President up. Yes.

Burnie doesn't even answer what HE would do.

And Joe opens with a cough.

Burnie does what Burnie does.. states what he thinks is LACKING but has no plan or idea as to how to implement it.

Meh, I tried. I'll watch the highlights tomorrow.

Oh Joe.....which virus???

They’re both SO OLD.

Is Bernie wearing new glasses or am I just not used to these prolonged closeups. They look fine, but I've noticed this.

Burnie looks like he's about to pass out.

Yeah, they're both... who they are.

I don't see how this changes anything, although it's ten minutes in.

It's more of the same.

Serious question, is Burnie a moron?

He can't answer any question that's actually asked of him.

Once again, he's asked what he would do to make sure that supplies are available... and all he does is repeat the problem but offers NO solution.

Bernie's already pivoted to M4A. I mean, yes, but not sure that's what people want to here right now.

Good answer from Joe on M4A.

Wouldn't it be great if Bernie used his closing remarks to announce he's dropping out and throwing his support behind Biden and directs his his supporters to do so, too?

This was such a bad idea. You don't want your nominee to look like ancient and this debate makes them look ancient.

Woops, first shots fired. Joe you better be ready for a rebuttal because Bernie is about to snatch wigs.

Joe nailed that point about Italy being single payer and it not working.

This is pathetic and awful.

No fucking way I'll make it through two hours of this shit!

Later, bitches. They both suck....hard!

Burnie's too preoccupied trying to figure out how not to clutch his chest for the next twenty minutes.

[quote]I thought they were going to sit for this debate?

That was a fake rumor started by the BernieBros who said Joe was so weak he needed to sit. It wasn't true.

We're in a lot of trouble if people are believing the stupid shit the Bros are saying on Twitter.

I've already lost count of Joe's verbal flubs.

[quote] What if Biden and Bernie announced that were teaming up--Biden as Pres, Bernie as VP--to go against Trump starting tonight.

I can't see Bernie accepting second fiddle, he would rather stay in the Senate, VP has no power and Bernie wants power. Biden could sideline him if he wanted to and all he could do is sit around hoping Biden would die before Bernie does.

R44 sure that would be great... it would also be great to go back in time to 2016 and make sure that Hillary didn't get fucked over. We'd actually have a better shot of doing that than getting Burnie to do what you proposed.

Zzzzzzzzzzzz

HAAHA.. Joe calling Burnie out for his answer not having ANYTHING to do with what is going on.

Why does Biden listen to moderators’ question with his mouth open? Does that help him hear better?

Considering some countries with M4A are also struggling right now, I don't think I would harp on it if I were Bernie. People want to know how the here and now will be fixed. Where's the plan for preparedness?

Why is Burnie unable to answer any question that is asked by the moderators?

Oh here we go. Bernie calling Biden bought and paid.

Is this bullshit really supposed to go on for more than 30 minutes?

Biden's doing pretty well.

Anyone else tracking the number of times Joe says: This is a WAR!

Biden is doing better than I thought he would. Sounds like he made sure to grease up his face and put on his brass knuckles before taking the stage.

[quote]Why is Burnie unable to answer any question that is asked by the moderators?

He's just pushing medicare for all. He has yet answer what he would do now.

This is madness. Biden and every watching is forced to sit through this because Bernie, with statistically no path to the nomination, forced us to have this stupid debate.

Bernie, where are your taxes? Bernie, where are your medical records??

I wish Liz and Pete and some of the others were in this debate. It would have been nice to have some other voices discussing this pressing pandemic issue and hear their ideas on how they would handle it.

R63 exactly, because he can't.

Burnie is shifting so much back and forth it looks like he's afraid a shit is about to fall out.

Omg Bernie STFU

Yeah, Joe's old, and prone to flubs, but when he's good, he's damn good.

I wish every debate had been without an audience. Despite the fact that Bernie only has one talking point, this is more substantive by an order of magnitude.

good on joe on the military answer. bernie doesnt get it. Ebola / pandemic = po tay toe / po ta toe

I'm biased for Biden, but Bernie's coming across as a desperate nag.

This debate is changing nothing.

Jesus, Burnie can't help but continue to humiliate himself.

Joe is on point with his talking points and Burnie is flailing just throwing out buzzwords that have no context to anything that's being asked.

Yes Joe! Drag that hoe with your experience. This is not the time to call for M4A.

[quote]Despite the fact that Bernie only has one talking point

LOL - Well, one of the consequences for China is that this country should have medicare for all...

More close ups of Joe! He looks good!

One of the consequences for China should be... you know let me just say American's REALLY need M4A!

Bernie's like please don't call on me. He's now just stealing Joe's answers.

Joe really does know what the fuck he's talking about.

Bernie has nice ideas but he is totally consumed with domestic policy and can't really get his head around the international or show any real command of it.

Joe is in pretty good form tonight.

Burnie what would you do about the interest rate:

Well, first, I would make sure ALL Americans have M4A!

Oh, yeah, Bros. This guy totally has dementia.

I wish there was more Trump bashing, though.

Zzzz who even cares, joe is the nominee. Just go home ancient burntard.

And they say Biden has dementia... all Bern can talk about is healthcare.

Granpa, what day is it?

HEALTHCARE!

LOL... wait a second.. isn't this asshole the one who just a minute ago said the Ebola Virus was not the same and had nothing to do with anything?

On reddit, they are complaining that Bernie is always too nice to Biden.

I was in debate and I feel like he is one of the debaters that doesn't prepare. He knows a few things and fills the rest with buzz words. He is 100% not a details guy, just a big ideas person. Trump is the same way, just fill up the time with shit.

And Bernie's asked about monetary policy and pivots to billionaires.

It would be hilarious if Burnie just fucking said, "fuck it, I can't do this shit no more. I'm done."

That would be less humiliating for him than his performance now.

It appears as if Joe is on a roll now.

Stop spelling it Burnie Jesus Christ

OMG debates should be like this going forward. No audience interruptions. No anchors pandering. This is wonderful and so is Joe!

We need to deal with this NOW...Joe.

I think it's hilarious whenever Bern Outs try to declare Joe as being mentally incompetent and they conveniently forget that humiliating interview he did in 2016 where he didn't even know the ins and outs of his own policies.

"made whole" sounds religious. I'm not clear I know what it means.

Bernie is losing it. He wants to talk about the future rather than now.

How about, no, R92?

BURNIE.

Biden in command... I'm quite surprised. Bernie has a platform of lines but I can't get a sense of specifically how he'd do anything.

This is worse than the Daily New transcript.

Burnie you will neva be kween.

Burnie should look back at this and regret that he insisted on more debates... but he's too stupid to realize he's fucked up.

R95, “made whole” means whatever money you’re out, you’ll be compensated.

Didn't Bernie ---who earlier said Ebola was totally different--- say "Ebloa crisis" like 4 times when he meant Coronavirus???

Burnie needs to drop out NOW.

[quote]"made whole" sounds religious. I'm not clear I know what it means

It's used a lot with insurance payouts. If you have a car accident, your insurance doesn't give you a new car. You're made whole by getting the value of what you've lost.

Biden good on the bail out!

Yup, R103 and then tried to blame it on Joe... because Burnie takes no responsibility for anything ever.

Bernie...the banks paid it back WITH INTEREST. The gov't made money on the bank bailout.

I really thought Bernie would have been spending the last several days practicing his talking points and coming up with more substantive answers, hoping to persuade more voters and get him out of the hole he's in. Instead it's just buzzwords and anger. Again.

Biden just stomped on Burnie's nuts with the bail out and how it'd harm the people he supposedly cares about.

But it's obvious that Burnie likes to get his nuts stomped on.

Wow, if Joe had been in this kind of forum all along, he'd have secured the nomination already.

Didn't Burnie just lie about the Automotive Bailout?

R109... too much group think. That's what happens when you're running a movement. They self-reinforce.

[quote]Bernie has a platform of lines but I can't get a sense of specifically how he'd do anything.

Exactly. What a huge mistake on his part. He could have come out with even just a few figures and a list of how things would get done, and he would have been praised by all. Instead he's phoning it in with the same old shtick we've heard for over four years now, and nothing of substance.

Joe is competent tonight, but sooooooooooooo boring.

Not a great performance for Bernie either.

Bernie the banks PAID IT BACK WITH INTEREST.

[quote]Joe is competent tonight, but sooooooooooooo boring.

I know!!! I'm hard. This is way better than covfefe.

Burnie in his ill fitting suit literally looks like a corpse in a casket.

drink every time bernie says m4A

Oh my God. Joe gives a great answer about undocumented people with COVID, and Bernie goes to....M4A.

Sucks for Burnie that like Hillary, Joe is well informed and understands how things works...

You'd think Burnie would have spent the last 4 years trying to learn how ANYTHING works.

Ow-ah en-teye-ah staff is working from home. And so ah my trolls!

Lol joe already has it in the bag sweetie, he'll steam roll burnie in floriduh.

Christ... where did this Biden come from?

What are you doing Burnie to protect yourself from the virus?

I'm demanding more debates! And we wouldn't have to worry about this if we had M4A!

That's got to be the toughest thing for Biden.. not being able to uncomfortably touch people!

WHOA! SLAP by Biden to Bernie!

Oh snap, Biden just called out Bernie and getting shit done.

I am disappointed in Joe Biden, and excited about Bernie. An hour ago I was all for Biden, and thought Bernie is a crackpot.

I smoked dope before the debate. Is that why?

all Joe needs to do is keep saying NOW

Biden laid out the the holes in Bernie's M4A plan, yet Bernie fails to answer any of those questions.

I can't drive. M4A.

Enough malarkey Burnie!

Biden prepped for this debate. He’s focused and has the answers at his fingertips. Maybe he’s had a debate coach.

I like Bernie... but he looks tired.

Biden has a real politician's smile and laugh

But.. but.. but... he's got dementia. He can't remember answers and a debate coach.

Bernie...you have SuperPACs.

I still won! no money and I still won!

Moderator: Bernie, how are doing today?

Bernie: Medicare. For. ALL!

Joe Biden has the confidence and swagger of a man who knows the Democratic Party will nominate him as their candidate to wrestle the nation back from Donald Trump. At times he wasn’t sure, but now he knows that this is his destiny.

Burnie daring to talk about negative ads?

OH MY SIDES

Now THIS is a debate. Two candidates and zero input from an audience.

Damn Bernie is just like Trump, never answering a question. Pivot, pivot, pivot!!!

Also, the Bernie Bros have been quiet tonight. Where they at? You're dude was supposed to demolish Biden, hahaha!

HA! Biden just did the "I have had enough" head shake! LOL!

My God, Biden is in good form, tonight. He’s authoritative, logical, and making Bernie look like a fabulist. How will the bros, who were eagerly waiting for this, spin it? They’d already gotten Biden’s “cognitive decline” and “cough” trending v

just tuning in now

how's it going so far?

Burntard better drop out after he loses florida.

Joe should have said:

Yes, I had an idea 30 years ago... that's more than you've had.

Joe should have said:

But Burnie, remember, you say you can't control anything negative any of your supporters do, right? CHECKMATE BITCH!

Biden’s wiping the floor with Bernie. This is a rout.

what is Sanders accusing Biden of?

Bernie won't answer a question. He keeps flipping things back at Joe. Just answer a question!

"Go to The Youtube. " LOL! They are fossils!

Biden fucking called Burnie out on his own ads!

I hate Bernie Sanders. What is this bullshit of a debate?

And notice how Burnie didn't answer.

Burnie is about to have a heart attack.

"Just be straight with the American people , Joe." Good god shut up, Bernie.

Relax! (Lol) it's fine and Joe needs the debate practice.

Did you notice Bernie referred to corona as Ebola a few times? Joe's doing great so far.

Bernie is an asshole.

Burnie is seriously humiliating himself.

Burnie is literally going to have another heart attack tonight

I think point to Bernie on this one...but overall Biden for the win.

Well, this was a turn. Yes, Biden talk about the votes. The Bernie Bros will rejoice and come into this thread.

Old Men Yell at Cloud!

Someone told Joe to come in here and cut a bitch and take names.

GRANDPA FIGHT!

Bernie is the cranky grandpa in the den debating politics with the children at Thanksgiving before falling asleep mid-sentence in his comfy chair

Burnie has to keep pushing this so hard because he's avoiding answering the questions thrown at him.

All this ancient joo does is repeat the same bullshit over and over without pointing out his plan to get it done. I have no idea how this loon excites people my age. Like how?

Who's this moderator with the thick accent?

Boinie is overtawkingk and makingk me crazy.

r170 is an anti-Semite.

Shun him gals!

Yeah, Bernie won that line. Trump will bring this up in their one-on-one debates. Biden better be prepared.

I miss the audience

Is Bernie having a heart attack? Why the strange faces?

the Latina moderator is hot

Bernie does look like he's having a heart attack.

As if Dotard plans to turn up for any debates, R174.

Trump may not even bother to debate.

Holy hell, what's generating the anti-Burnie torrent on this thread? Gotta be some bot action, no?

Biden is winning this debate, but Bernie destroyed Biden on Social Security.

Burnie is holding his ass because he's shitting himself.

Social security will not be a hard one up against Trump.

Oh Joe, you are looking so presidential tonight. I'm so relieved!

What's generating the anti-Burnie sentiment?

Burnie.

Does Burnie really think he stands a chance against Joe at this point?

Talk about delusional.

Bernie made one good point and that's all.

So Burnie, what are your plans to get any of this shit done?

r181, it's not Bots but Sanders has like 1% change to get the nomination so this whole debate and exercise is just to damage Biden. The point is the same we saw in 2016, give the republicans ammunition. Keep dividing the democrats. Bernie is a rat bastard.

[181] I'm not a bot... I am watching the debate and having observations and I think we are all unimpressed with Bernie's crankiness. We've already had three years of a cranky unhinged president.

Sometimes they are kinda like two old men griping at the nursing home window.

I was not aware of that!

Then you should be aware of that!

maybe Biden is less nervous in a more intimate setting? or just 1 on 1 action?

I know he did well against Palin and Ryan in VP debates

Joe came damn prepared. You have to give it to him.

Just shot the fuck up, r173.

Your stupid “shun him gals!” line in every fucking thread is infantile. You don’t speak for this board, asshole.

Joe looks great, presidential.

Bernie looks like a deranged crank with his hand waving.

Burnie you TRIED to rally people... but didn't. So no you dont get credit for TRYING.

Wait, how did we get to gay marriage?

now they're doing the "you voted against this" "well you voted against that"

ancient history, bernie

Because R197, Burn Out is flailing and he's throwing shit at the wall hoping something sticks.

Bernie is able to rouse people at his rallies but fails to get them to the voting booth on election day.

Joe FTW.

The way that Biden smiles and waits Burnie out.. shows he's got what it takes. Contrasting it to Burnie makes Burnie seem even more unhinged.

Bernie looks like a petty, resentful, old man.

GAY MARRIAGE

that was a wink to Pete watching at home

Biden does actually look good here. Bernie sounds like the old fart living in the past.

HAHAHA Burnie now trying to get away from bringing up past votes when HE brought it up.

Bernie keeps trying to corner Joe. Can't do it. Keeps minimizing Joe's very astute responses to Bernie's bullshit accusations.

Now I know who they remind me of!

Why does Bernie want to be president?

r203, LOOKS LIKE?!?

The Twitter Bros are really grasping at straws, saying Biden looks old (as if Bernie doesn't) and also I've seen four people complain about the "knock wood" joke Biden did.

They know it's over.

Bernie is sniffling and wiping his nose. He should have stayed home.

[200] " he's (Bernie's) throwing shit at the wall hoping something sticks" EXACTLY

And I ll bet Burn Out does not make the same pledge.

summary of this debate

I like these questions about coming together!

Joe consciously makes sure not to touch his face...

Burnie touches and rubs his face every few minutes.

Burn Out made sure to talk over the question about getting his supporters to support someone other than him.

God Joe is looking smooth tonight!

Does Bernie have coronavirus?

Joe's team somehow found the fountain of youth for him and some magic pill to energize him

Biden is still “meh” to me but he’s more presidential than Bernie

Trump is shitting himself, watching this.

[quote]Joe's team somehow found the fountain of youth for him and some magic pill to energize him

Looking forward to the post debate! Puuuuuuuurrrrrrr!

LemmetellyousomethingaboutleadershipJoe

Loving no audience

Welp! Biden's got this this far. I don't know what you guys are talking about that Bernie got a hit in re Soc SEC. It made sense what Biden said. Everything was on the table during a crises but that doesn't mean that it had to be cut. You look at everything when negotiating

Agreed R223 He knows he's done. Will he resign? Is there a reason Pence is being pushed to the forefront?

What has Sanders LEAD except a mayoral effort to rename a post office? Where does he get off telling a former Vice President what a leader does?

Now THIS is what a debate should be like! NO audience and there stupid clapping and cheering, and booing the other guy.

It looks serious because it IS serious.

Trump is going to act like Bernie (but worse) with the constant interruptions.

there - their

R229 I'm tired of people like you dismissing all the other things Burnie has done. You all conveniently forget to mention how he shipped toxic waste off to the poor and profited off of it for years!

Note Bernie (Burnie) talked around whether or not he'd rally his supporters behind Biden. Their answers were night and day.

r181 the past week Bernie supporters kept up the drum beat that Biden has dementia and will fall apart in this debate. It. an hour in and Biden has one most of the topics, save S.S. Bernie supporters are silent because this debate was supposed to turn the tide, but as it stands Bernie is not besting Biden.

Like Mariah sang, "If it's over! Just, let, me, gooooooo." Bernie, let us go so we can focus all our resources on Trump.

Don't waste your time. Tomorrow morning we'll see all the highlights on every freekin' network.

if Sanders stays in the race when is the next debate?

Joe says he will pick a woman to be VP candidate!

Joe should refuse to debate any further.

OOoh, Biden committed to a female Veep.

Joe's the "I'm The Guy" guy

Sanders will be dead of pneumonia via coronavirus before any future debate.

OHHHHH SNAPPPPPPPPPPPPP

I think it is dangerous for Biden to commit that his VP pick will be a woman at this point

Boiny just quotes 'problems', then says we need to fix it. Or "go to my website". Why are people nuts about him?

I'm not sure if it was smart for him to announce that re: the VP.

Are there no rules for Bernie. he just does whatever he wants. Is CNN even going to try to reign him in?

Bernie's strategy was plainly to trap him but it's badly researched and desperate.

r243, If Joe is the nominee.

[quote]I think it is dangerous for Biden to commit that his VP pick will be a woman at this point

I guarantee you he already knows who it's going to be.

[Quote] Joe says he will pick a woman to be VP candidate!

😢

Burnie keeps trying to bring upt hese votes and keeps getting his ass handed to him.

He REALLY loves to be humiliated.

Please just let it be Harris not Abrams. Klobuchar we need in the senate.

That will be the news coming out of this tonight. A brilliant move by Biden campaign.

WHO IS GONNA BE THE FEMALE VP?!? Any guesses?

the timing of the coronavirus worries me. it impacts joe's base more than Bernie's.

Also, Joe has already committed to a women so it's nothing new.

R250, oh, I'm sure he does. I'm just not sure if it was a good idea to announce it here.

It's going to be Warren or Tammy Duckworth.

And Bernie wouldn't make the same guarantee.

R255, Amy of course!

Is there a reason we are calling him BURNIE?

Just wondering, personally I'm finding it hilarious. LOL

Bernie couldn’t even get Warren and her supporters, something it turns out Biden has been making inroads and he’s already getting getting her supporters. Yeah, this primary is rigged 🙄

What is your issue with Abrams R253. I don't know much about her but she does seem impressive when she speaks.

It won't be Warren. She couldn't even win her own state.

r255, Clyburn already gave a list last week. It will be a woman of color and someone off of Clyburn's list. He owe's Clyburn BIG TIME.

Burnie because... all he does is want to Burn things down. Additionally, all he does is Burn Out. He can't get anything done.

R253 So, Biden-Harris. Agree that it was a strategic and smart move on the campaign's part. That's the news coming out of the debate.

Bernie's pendantics are getting on Joe's LAST NERVE

BAWDA PAWLICY

All of you who have friends in States with primaries upcoming need to convince them to submit Absentee votes for Biden if they can.

[quote]WHO IS GONNA BE THE FEMALE VP?!? Any guesses?

This is going to dominate the headlines tomorrow. If it's the right woman then Biden just locked the woman's vote.

I think it's about damn time to have a female VP. This Party's life blood is woman. If we wait one more term on a female VP or President, Rs will put up Nikki Haley in 2024 and win the argument.

Haha, Bernie wan't to talk about slavery? The guy that constantly pays dust to black people? Get the fuck out of here Bernie.

Burnie's so fucking gross with how he points and wags at people.

NO on Amy or Duckworth.

Amy is a boring bitch and Duckworth has NO FUCKING LEGS!!!!!

Ain't nobody gonna vote for that.

I just don't believe he will raid the senate. Not with hopes of winning it too. My money on Witmer (Michigan) or New Mexico Governor Michelle Lujan Grisham.

Whoever the VP is, that person will complete these guys' 8 (four?) years- guaranteed.

R274 he can safely take Kamala without worrying about her Senate seat.

r274, two white women almost nobody has ever heard of, no, he will pick a WOC if he's smart.

Black women are the backbone of the Democratic party, he needs to give them something for their continued support and loyalty.

Fine. Pete for Secretary of State. Trend it.

R274 Which is why it would be likely to be Harris. Dem Gov picking a progressive woman to replace her in Sen.

Did you guys miss where Biden said he will nominate a black woman to the Supreme Court?

If this wasn't Whitmer's first term, she'd be a no-brainer.

MMPH! Joe had a GOOD nap today! He's comin' with it!

R280, yes we caught it. It's why Michelle isn't interested in VP.

Clyburn's List includes:

Sen. Kamala Harris

Rep. Marcia Fudge

Rep. Val Demings

Former Georgia state Rep. Stacey Abrams

Atlanta Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms

Former National Security Adviser Susan Rice

Jesus, personally if you need to keep the fantasy alive, keep slobbering after fucking Harris then. She will no more happen than Burnie will but I'm done debating the magnificence of one of the raw e's first FAILURES.

SOLAH PAHNELS, WIND TUHBOYNS

Is anyone even following along with anything Burnie is saying?

He's starting to sound like an adult in a Charlie Brown cartoon.

Joe REMEMBERS our Darfur orphan!

The Coronavirus will be the gift that keeps on giving for Joe. While Trump was golfing and partying, 100's were becoming infected. Joe needs to make it emblematic of Trump's presidency: lies, incompetency, danger.

So Bernie has two things he can talk about: M4A and Economic Disparity. You can ask him what day it is and he'll bring it back to one of those two issues.

I wish Joe would bring it home that Bernie is "pure" because he's impractical, that politics is incremental, that you need to vote for a GOP bill with some amendments in it or THEY WILL PASS IT WITHOUT YOUR AMENDMENTS AND THEN YOU'LL REALLY BE SCREWED.

Bernie has never seemed to grasp this.

And did not know that Biden endorsed Warren's bankruptcy plan.

R285, I'm not saying it will be Harris. I don't personally think it will be. My comment was specifically about whether or not he can raid from teh Senate to fill that slot.

Burnie literally looks like he's going to pass out.

Yes, R290, those are his talking points.. the only problem is he has no PLAN for them. All he can do is talk ABOUT them and how those things are needed. He has no solutions.

Keep touching your face, Burnie... we see how well you follow orders!

Susan Rice is boring and hard to look at.

Her name also reminds people too much of that other black Rice woman who was in GWB's administration.

[quote]So Bernie has two things he can talk about: M4A and Economic Disparity.

Three, ya fuh-got BILL-YUN-EZ!

R277. Michelle Lujan Grisham is a latin WOC. Biden struggles with Latinos, and she'd help with that demographic.

once again Biden with the practical plans regarding climate change.

and now back to health care when climate change is the question

BINGO!

Bernie is fucking up with the Paris Agreement

Look at that Biden authoritative stance! CHILLS!!!!

Can they finally stick a fork in grandpa bernie??

Please donate. It's going to make millions to beat the wealthy Trump propaganda machine.

Joe, you are not going far enough!!!

Tammy Duckworth wasn't born in the US, so she can't be the nominee, same rules as POTUS, as they could end up with the office, and we need Harris as the Attorney General...

Susan Rice.

[quote]Clyburn's List includes:

NO thank you.

Kamala is the only acceptable choice in that list. It has to be a Californian since they ACTUALLY vote Democratic.

Nobody cares what red states that have no prayer of voting Democrating in the general election have to say.

THE PRAHBLEM IS MOAH SEVEEAH

Susan is a hard no because republicans think she lied about Benghazi

OH! OH! OH! JOE!!!!!

(orgasm)

Bernie sounds even more like Larry David in CYE tonight

He is proving why he has a hard ceiling to his support and why 22 year olds love him--they are also notoriously idealistic

Biden is very good one on one. His difficulty previously, in retrospect, was three hundred shouting competitors. A structure that served no one.

I did that, while you were watching

Oh snap, Go Joe.

I think Rice is a good bet too.

"I did that while you were watching..."

All of Burnie's tactics fail.. Joe has been able to come back on every single one of them.

And Burnie's open mouth literally looks like he's about to have a seizure.

R273, Tammy Duckworth would take off one of her fake legs and beat Mike Pence over the head with it. She’s a spitfire.

please tell me this ends at 10

Harris would be the first woman, black and Asian Veep. She also has the resume, and I'd love to watch her destroy Pence in the VP debate.

R308 No one who cares a hot about Benghazi and Rice, at this point, would ever in a million years vote for Joe anyway. Not a relevant demographic

If he chooses Warren, Rachel Maddow will have an orgasm live on air while reporting on it

+1 on Susan Rice

Who has been writing a bunch of very intelligent OpEd columns in the NYT

But I don't remember what she is like in person--how she comes off on camera.

We do not need another Tim Kaine with gayvoice who let Pence (Pence!!!) beat him up

I think Biden probably suffered in the other debates because he is too polite. He doesn't really do well in trying to talk over others.

Harris bombed so, so hard during the campaign.

Hard to imagine her being resurrected

Well, it isn't likely to happen, R318. She tanked. If it's a black woman, it'll be Rice. Though I could see Harris as a replacement for Ginsburg on the Court.

Meh, both are weak. Biden is the best by accident, but they really are a notch below Clinton and Obama.

It really is a shame that Southern states are determining the election when they always vote Republican in the general election.

R321 Not warm, not empathetic. Her main brand is intelligence, competency, focus. Might be a good choice to balance Joe's grampa gooshiness.

[quote]If he chooses Warren, Rachel Maddow will have an orgasm live on air while reporting on it

I really don't want to see that.

Warren needs to stay in the Senate. Or the Republican governor in Massachusetts will appoint a republican to replace her. We can’t afford to lose that seat.

r323, I disagree. She stumbled at some points trying to be everything and not finding the voice she wanted. But I thought she got out too early but I get why. However when the field got smaller a lot of people I know wished she was still in it. In comparison to what we are left with, she looks damn good.

Susan Rice is tough as hell. She should be president, just what you’d want in the Veep of an elderly president.

Rice, Harris, and Warren are the only options.

So what's next, another debate? Bernie is not going to give in.

Susan Rice doesn't have charisma like Kamala and Abrams. She doesn't inspire people, she's intelligent but not a great speaker.

[quote] Harris bombed so, so hard during the campaign.

At least she's been vetted. Don't know much about the other people on that "list." You don't want someone who will be found out like 'Andrew Gillum'.

If Tuesday goes as it is expected to go, Biden should refuse to debate any further just because a loser likes to humiliate himself.

F I D E L ! ! !

Ha, he cant get away from the Castro question and I'll bet he continues to defend his comments.

It's a very small thing, but I hate that Susan's son is a very anti-Obama and a strong Trump supporter as a leader of his college Republicans. Like, what are they teaching their children? I mean it's not 100% Susan's fault, but it annoys me.

Way to not answer the question, Bernie.

And once again he doesn't address his own comments.

And he can't answer why Cubans should vote for him.

There was a psychic on Youtube who when the pack first came out saw Kamala Harris standing victoriously as the first woman president, but kept saying she sees someone else there. There is a man there.

Well, I thought she got it wrong but now, as a vp choice and Biden eventually stepping down. I think she may be right. I will look for it.

Abrams hasn’t been vetted. She’s brilliant but automatic VP .... hmm not sure.

[QUOTE] If Tuesday goes as it is expected to go, Biden should refuse to debate any further just because a loser likes to humiliate himself.

If Joe keeps debating like this, then why stop? They make him look good.

Biden has this look on his face... a slight smirk, that basically says, "can you believe this fucking guy?"

Abrams is fat, ugly, and has zero experience to be VP.

Burnie looks mentally challenged constantly waving.

Bernie, you're killing yourself!

LOL... what a manic... he isn't running for president, he's running for Bernie. Fucking hell. LOL.

[quote]Abrams hasn’t been vetted. She’s brilliant but automatic VP .... hmm not sure.

Abrams needs to win an election first

Because, R342, it's a waste of time and Burnie shouldn't be allowed to keep making demands when he's not viable.

Lol, Bernie defending Chairman Mao.

I seriously cannot believe Burnie is flailing this badly. Even I didn't think he could humiliate himself any further.

Biden came fully locked and loaded. It's hilarious.

You can see Bernie trying to work it out in his mind... he came into this with a bunch of trap lines and questions and his own stubborn view of the world. He can't do it.

Bernie digging himself deeper and deeper and deeper into a hole.

He sounds like an angry college sophomore not a sophisticated politician.

Bernie lost a shit ton of weight.

Biden just called Putin a thug, lol.

Will Burnie dare do the same to the man helping him?

So... Biden with a lot of details and data. Either great preparation, or they've given him some medication.

Do...do I want to have sex with Joe Biden??

Anyone else think Bernie will drop out some time next week? IMO if he's going to do it he needs o do it now so he can deal with his mentally ill followers to get them to understand voting for Trump because they're pissed is an outlandish and childish idea.

Biden is just sitting there like marble, taking those feather like hits from Bernie.

does bernie have a point with that list?

[quote]You can see Bernie trying to work it out in his mind... he came into this with a bunch of trap lines and questions and his own stubborn view of the world. He can't do it.

Yup, he's literally only got a few talking points and he's searching desperately for something he can use but unfortunately for him, Biden stomps on everything he tries to throw.

[quote]Bernie lost a shit ton of weight.

So did Bill Clinton once he had his heart problems.

This is embarrassing for Bernie. Deeply embarrassing.

R359, no he won't.

And why do you think he wants to convince his followers to do anything but switch to a Drumpf vote?

[QUOTE] So... Biden with a lot of details and data. Either great preparation, or they've given him some medication.

Doesn’t Biden have a new campaign manager for the first time? Someone from Obama World, I believe. They may have made some serious changes to debate prep (and for the better).

Now this is Bernie is a commie section of the debate. He hasn't even convinced me he isn't for them

Bernie's shoulder padding rivals any 80's soap opera diva. He must have zero musculature.

R359.... he's so stubborn. I have no idea. He's just running to deliver his message.

I think he suffered because he stutters and it’s hard for him to get answers out when he’s responding to a lot of people interrupting.

Bernie is like the oldest student on the college Socialist magazine staff. They're angry at the administration and at Bob Jenkins, the Student Government President for meeting with the Dean.

He has not changed in 50+ years

His Bros are similarly stuck in sophomore year.

Biden's been able to give us a long list of things he's actually been able to accomplish.

Has Burnie had an opportunity to do the same? Or has the topic of the two post offices he named not come up?

[quote]he's so stubborn. I have no idea. He's just running to line the pockets of Lady Jane.

Fixed it for you.

what i'm finding funny tonight is usually these threads are pro-Bernie. not tonight!

Did Burnie really defend Chairman Mao?

He ain't gonna make it with anybody anyhow.

No R372

But Bernie has not compromised.

And in his worldview that is more important.

ideology won't get you in the white house.

There he said it. He is running for his movement.

Burn Out really does talk like Drumpf. He can't answer any question and just turns around and starts talking about anything and everything else. Completely ignores the question as to why he can't resonate with African-Americans... essentially once again saying, "African-American's don't need to be addressed."

How in God's name is he still talking about this young voters thing.

Oh my God. I just turned this on. Why is this happening? Does Bernie Sanders not realize that he already lost? Im embarassed for him.

No. No more Dana. No.

Oh just go home now Bernie.

"The energy now is for ME."

Jesus, when is this supposed to be over. I actually feel BAD for Burnie and his cultists. He just keeps humilating himself.

r379, especially since they were NO WHERE super Tuesdays

Did he just admit to being an ideologue? Oh, Bernie. Call it a night and get some rest

Bernie is now questioning BIDEN'S ability to get out the vote? Great move on the part of the youth candidate whose youth voters consistently fail to show up at the polls for him; meanwhile, Biden's winning states he barely even set foot in.

Biden had no money! I love it!

Burn cruising to victory!

[quote]Anyone else think Bernie will drop out some time next week?

Bernie should drop out come 10:30PM/ET tonight.

r385, yes he did. When asked why he was running.

R363, Clinton said he was put on a super strict diet after his heart issues, and he lost weight from that. I’m not sure that was all there was to it, but maybe they put Bernie on a strict diet too and it’s hard to eat right in the road.

Burnie really should rest. His many hidden medical conditions can't deal with it.

Bernie's had an historic impact on American politics... "socialism" is not a bad concept to 30-40% of voters. But he's stuck in the heady smoke of 1968, barricades in the streets, throwing rocks at the gendarmes ...

R333

There's only one more primary debate in April before NY, PA, etc. if Bernie wants to stay in for those.

Interesting... commercial break. Burnie runs off stage and I think Biden is still standing on the stage.

This former Liz voter is now 100% behind Joe. Go Joe Go.

Bernie will announce he's won the debate in about 20 minutes from now. He's gonna take the fight to the convention- and change hahts and moinds!

Wow, Reagan. I should contribute money for his cause.

Is it legit?

Good Lord. If there was actually a God... Bernie would just die once and for all right now for all to see.

Yes r398, Ron Reagan has been a proud atheist since he was like 11 or something.

Ronald must have LOVED that while he was growing up.

Bernie's going to close with M4A. Calling it.

Are Burn Outs freaking out or declaring victory?

Burnie how are you going to get additional ventilators out there?

R402 They're the least self aware among us, so... You already know.

No, R397, that will be Nina's job. After Bernie, there's no one clinging harder to the dream.

Soon it will turn to tears and rigging accusations though.

Im still laughing at his inability to even address African-Americans. Seriously, not a good look to not even address it. It just further shows he thinks they're not important.

i havent seen it yet but the post already has a headline that Biden coughed into his hand.

Joe won this. Bigly.

I was worried about the cough open... but he didn't do it again all night. Not a problem, considering how badly Burnie came across.

Didn't Burnie also cough in his opening?

Please continue and let us know what the average coverage remarks are.

Biden won that by far.

[QUOTE] Good Lord. If there was actually a God... Bernie would just die once and for all right now for all to see.

You shouldn’t want him dead. He’ll be needed to help energize his voters for the election. I think he’ll be a team player. If he can’t win, then he definitely wants Joe Biden in the White House over Trump. At least then he’ll have a president who will support most of his agenda, giving him life after the election.

Joe stuck around to chat with the moderators, Burnie is OUT.

Why, R414? He can't even get his own supporters out to vote for him.

R414 you must have missed where he refused to answer the question on whether he would rally his supporters behind Biden if he becomes the nominee. He talked all the way around it like he does most questions.

My overall impression: they both sucked.

Cuomo asked how does the primary work with the 50 max of gathering. Why can't people fill out that ballot booklet and drop it off. Why do people, and myself included wait on line to go in and do it live.

Is Bernie having another heart attack?

From now on, audiences should be banned from these debates.

No more hunger games. No audiences. Smaller debate panels. Substance.

Bernie has morphed into a cartoon character by now

[quote] WHO IS GONNA BE THE FEMALE VP?!? Any guesses?

Maybe Buttigieg is planning to transition and go for it.

^ desperate

r405 Titanic OMG, what a perfect thing to quarantream right now.

The female VP will be Kamala Harris.

Biden: I will give more money to financial institutions in this crisis.

Biden: I will only cover the costs of the crisis. What the fuck does this mean?

Bernie Sanders: He will send a check to all Americans.

Bernie Sanders: I will guarantee your medical care now and for life, aka Medicare for ALL.

r427 but what about bussing?

I love how Sanders constantly tries to pin others down with their vote histories and tries to negate or dismiss them from being able to give context to why they voted the way they did. Yet when HIS votes are called into question, he always has an excuse.

Will Warren endorse?

VP will be Warren.

"I think he’ll be a team player."

Bernie's never been a team player.

[quote]“After conversation with my family and deep reflection, I have made the decision to seek help, guidance and enter a rehabilitation facility at this time,”

He had to get the hell outta here!

Bernie won’t drop out. He doesn’t have anything else to do. But take peoples money for his narcissistic joy ride.

Remember when "flip flopping on the issues" used to be a political attack? Seems like Biden was given a lot of room tonight to admit he held positions he no longer does. Great. That's how it should be.

Bernie's sanctimony only made him appear worse to those that are aware he's not as pure as he makes himself out to be. You voted against the Iraq war, yet voted for every surrounding piece of legislation and funded it into the trillions? You voted against closing Gitmo! Biden could have stuck the knife in without appearing like a hypocrite. If anything he was too soft on Bernie. A lot of his younger zealots do not know this about his record.

R436 Biden's strength is his weakness. 50 years of experience with a detailed public record. (c.f. Harris and the Biden-Southern Senator kerfuffle). Lots of raw material for oppo research.

But it's all known. He was already vetted in 2008.

Bernie on!

[quote]Burnie shouldn't be allowed to keep making demands when he's not viable.

Not viable and not even a Democrat.

They need to worry about mitigating the threat of scorned Sanders supporters switching their votes to Trump like what happened last time. Demotivate them by demonstrating concretely he has not always been on the right side of things. That righteousness is what fuels them. Joe could have dispelled him on his own talking points instead of just bringing up the NRA stuff as a rebuttal.

[quote]They need to worry about mitigating the threat of scorned Sanders supporters switching their votes to Trump

Not really a problem. It seems that very few Sanders supporters actually vote.

I just know that save for a few mistakes, the Bernie camp didn't get the K.O. they expected from Biden. He came in calm, well rested, and prepared. Biden took this more seriously then Bernie, which is why this should be our last debate.

[quote] Not really a problem. It seems that very few Sanders

Very few Sanders what? See, cutting a sentence in half to get the rhetorical upperhand makes you look like a jackass.

Enough Sanders supporters switched their votes to Trump in the 2016 election in WI, PA, MI to swing the election for Trump. Telling them they're not going to vote is not the same as giving them a reason not to.

Evidence please, R444. If Sanders voters did in fact cast a vote for Trump in some sort of protest, they deserve whatever they get. You fight for Sanders as your candidate and when you don’t get him, you vote Trump? Evil disrupters just like Trump’s base of deplorables.

R445 Exit polling data. I'm not your search engine.

R447 Judging the current situation from the pass may be problematic. There's a good reason to think that of the 12% of Bernie voters that wound up voting for Trump, a considerable chunk of them is staying with Trump.

It's as strong and data-driven argument to say that lack of turnout of black voters in 2016 tipped those states to Trump.

[quote] Evidence please, [R444].

Link below. The key part is:

[quote]Specifically, if the Sanders-Trump voters in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania had voted for Clinton, or even stayed home on Election Day, those states would have swung to Clinton, and she would have won 46 more electoral votes, putting her at 278 — enough to win, in other words.

So they literally put Trump in the White House.

Burnie's already probably planning his run for 2024.

I couldn’t take at least 4 years of Bernie waving his arms about In the air from behind a news-conference podium, like a giant sloth or the “Lost In Space” robot.

Bernie just proved everything we anti-Bernie people have been saying for years, at least since 2016. He's all talk and little action. Sure, he's done a few protests, but what great legislation has he been responsible for? Nothing on the level of Biden's Violence Against Women Act, that's for sure.

Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump·2h

I must say, that was a VERY boring debate. Biden lied when he said I want to cut Social Security and Medicare. That’s what they ALL said 4 years ago, and nothing happened, in fact, I saved Social Security and Medicare. I will not be cutting, but they will. Be careful!

Burnie had 4 years to try get SOMETHING done but he didn't even try. That's how lazy he is. Let's not forget he got kicked out of a commune for refusing to contribute any work.

[quote] Let's not forget he got kicked out of a commune for refusing to contribute any work.

And for harassing pregnant women. Wonder if that was the inspiration for his rape fiction.

Who'd you rather?

The nerd, or the prom king?

The Prom King looks like he showers and doesn't smell like fish and shit from a dirty hole down below.

The young Joe looks inviting and irresistible

R456 damn he was kinda hot

Yes, daddy joe was very hot up till his 30s when he lost a lot of hair. But even today, he gives good face.

even Tim Kaine was fuckable in his youth. But he settled on a very basic woman so I wonder if he's familiar playing with other men's cocks.

R460 he’s a very, very well preserved older man.

Oh and don’t think that doesn’t affect how some women vote, even subconsciously.

Bided was sharp, and Presidential.

Bernie couldn't say anything that wasn't part of his memorized stump speech, looked terrible, and failed miserably.

It's over Bernie.

Bernie Supporters? You need to start letting go now. Grieve or whatever. And then get behind Biden to help us defeat Trump in November. And win back the Senate... don't forget that.

I forgot all about Tim Kaine! God, he was so annoying. We get it, you can almost speak decent Spanish.

But yes, young Tim could get it every which way.

Either Tim was a serial killer on the DL or he was fucking someone else. Come on, if any of us saw a guy like him with a wife like that we'd expect to see them cruising in a nearby men's room.

They do seem like a very sweet couple, but Tim is naturally a nice optimistic guy.

Should illegal immigrants arrested be turned over to immigration?

Biden: No

Bernie: Absolutely not without a question

Should illegal immigrants arrested be turned over to immigration?

Biden: No

Bernie: Absolutely not without a question

Bernie’s surrogates all said he would go scorched earth this debate. Instead he’s letting Biden bully him.

Biden just laughed at him and Bernie could only say “please stop laughing at me”

Moderator: Sanders, what are you going to do to increase support from African Americans?

Burnie: Give you an answer that doesn't address what you asked nor will it include any mention of African Americans.

I know r470! It was like that all night. But this was CNN's best debate. The DNC should insist on this format in 2024. Biden will obviously only seek one term.

I forgot about that R469. That was amazing.

For VP, my first thought was Maxine Waters. I love her but she's 81 (can you believe it?) so that won't happen.

Personally, I'm very impressed with Rep. Val Demings of Florida. A very smart woman fond of the rule of law.

I want Mazie!

R473 as popular as lovely Maxine is with Democrats, she is LOATHED by racist repubs and probably a good number of moderates. No way would anyone choose her even if she were 20 years younger.

I think she'd make a good cabinet member though

[quote]Black women are the backbone of the Democratic party, he needs to give them something for their continued support and loyalty.

Oprah

[quote]Personally, I'm very impressed with Rep. Val Demings of Florida. A very smart woman fond of the rule of law.

I like Val Demmings but her "cop" background will be off putting to many people of color.

Yes R473 her accomplishments are well docka-minted.

I've said this once, I'll say it again. Biden's "gaffes" aren't usually gaffes. By that I don't mean when he gets his facts wrong, but when he pauses, hesitates, uses a weird word that doesn't seem to fit his through line. It's usually Joe trying to avoid a stutter. Stuttering is very hard to understand if you're not afflicted by it. Thinking that he isn't intelligent or not all there is like saying someone with Parkinson's is stupid or not all together because they shake.

Just keep that in mind.

And Joe wiped the floor with Bernie last night.

Not Abrams. Too chunky.

I hate to say it but at times Bernie actually seems deranged. In his mind I don't think he wants to do what the people of the US would want him to do for us, but what he would decide is best for the people no matter how we feel about it. Very Castro like.

Thank you to those who provided their sources.

My point stands. If you say that you politically align with Sanders, yet can cast a vote for Trump, newsflash, you’re all pieces of shit. Just different shades of watery brown. This isn’t a goddamn Super Bowl. It’s the future of this country and what we want it to be.

I think Biden overall did very well and “held down the fort” so to speak, but I wish he had really brought home the fact (re Bernie) that’s it’s very easy to point out all the problems and failings of the world, our economy, healthcare system, etc, but a lot harder to come up with and implement a plan to fix it — and what has Bernie ever done, in his 35 year political career, to prove that he’s even remotely up to the task?

Biden kind of implies it but never just says that flat out — and he should.

Bernie Sanders is the Donald Trump of the liberals. Like Trump's conning of his gullible base, Bernie has conned his base with saying all the things they desperately want to hear. He makes them think that if he's elected he'll have the government take care of them no matter what. He's put the idea in many of their heads that the US government is going to provide for anyone and everyone who can't, or won't, provide for themselves. And sadly, most of them have worked themselves into a fervor over it. They've lied themselves into believing they're going to get everything they want. The idea that Bernie will not be the nominee is something they simply can't fathom.

Joe missed the perfect rebuttal:

"You've told us all about what you didn't do Bernie. But what did you actually do in Congress?"

r475 and she has some shady financial dealing back in her district which probably just looks bad but isn't illegal. We need someone with a clean past. Trump gave Maxine the opening to rebrand her image, but beyond that she's too old and polarizing to be on the ticket. I'm a still a huge fan!

Agreed r484. There are bots/MAGAs/Bernie supporters all over places like Reddit pushing these desperate pleas for Bernie. Following the ST blowout, they were saying that voting for anyone but Bernie meant we were "killing 100,000 Americans a year. We need healthcare now!"

Last week, it was all about how corrupt the DNC is and that Bernie is the only one that can help with their aunt/grandmother/mother's (always a female) life threatening medical treatment.

After last Tuesday's blowout the narrative shifted to a positive Bernie spin. "Oh, Bernie is actually winning because exit polls prove that most Americans want M4A, but the dirty DNC and Biden are standing in the way."

Then it went on to the dementia Joe attacks. That flopped last night.

Today through Tuesday they will probably hammer the point that Joe is liar over the S.S. debate flub. It just never ends. People on Reddit were saying things like bash his [Biden's] face in or embarrass our Party's other choice for a nominee. These people have no idea about what it means to respectfully disagree with someone while being a team player. This is why Bernie's progressive movement fails. the Bernie Bros/bots/supporters are circling the drain.

Trump won't cancel the debate. He's not afraid of Biden...but he should be.

Didn't Burnard stand there and lie about his vote on the auto bailout?

[quote]People on Reddit were saying things like bash his [Biden's] face in

Yeah, we get that on Twitter, too. I actually reported three people I was following because they were tweeting out death threats to basically random Biden supporters they were finding in various threads. One was already kind of a crazy person but the other two are straight married middle-aged white guys with little kids.

I mean, who has a 4-year-old toddler at home and spends all night tweeting "choke on your own vomit" to Biden, and "I'd cut your tits off with a bread knife" to a stranger? At least that one got deleted by Twitter.

I knew all three of these people for years. It feels like everything is falling apart.

Biden pledges to never deport another illegal immigrant ever again as president unless they commit a violent felony

Good

David Axelrod has praised Biden for speaking with "clarity" about the coronavirus.

He first called the swine flu the coronavirus. Then called the swine flu N1H15 instead of H1N1. And then couldn't remember ebola and called it the thing that happened in Africa.

Ho cares, r493. At least he had a workable plan, which is what we need right now.

And Bernie called Corona Ebola then blamed Biden for getting the word Ebola stuck in his head. Like both of these men are close to 80 years old, mistakes will happen. Place in the situation room, Biden appears to be ready to go day one. Bernie, wasn't focused on the Corona Emergency Response question, he started talking about M4A. Trump doesn't read anything and only takes his intelligence briefings via simple bullet points. Even if Biden or Bernie gets their words mixed up both of these men would put more thought and care into this crisis. Though, from my point of view, Biden is 100% ready to take the reigns of government and knows how to get things done.

Biden needs to be careful not to go too left, losing white suburban moms to court Bernie’s people. That immigration discussion wasn’t encouraging: no deportations if they haven’t committed a felony OMG.

R495, "the reigns of government"?

You're a millennial, aren't you?

This is probably what's happening in quarantined nursing homes across American right now: Two guys with dementia yelling at each other.

This is probably what's happening in quarantined nursing homes across American right now: Two guys with dementia yelling at each other.

No deportations without felony is back to Obama era. Trump Administration defines being here as a crime, making all at risk.

R500 Wrong. Obama deported at rates much higher than Bush. At the end of his second term he mitigated that by the DACA executive order (Dreamers) and the DAPA that was never implemented (parents of Dreamers). Biden (and anyone with any sense or reality, and concern for both humans and the economy) understand you cannot deport 11 million people. He wants to increase border security and have immigration reform, providing a path to residency for those 11 mil. Reason, humanity: remember that?

Brooklyn Nine-Nine OP... It always makes me feel calm for some reason. It's really wholesome.

R491, One thing I wish Biden and others would mention is that illegals don't commit more crimes than does the general population and it's probable their crime rate is lower. The majority is too busy working multiple jobs, staying under the radar, and sending money to their families.

I have a nephew who's a deputy at the county jail who said that, regionally at least, most crimes are committed by troubled white boys, druggies, transients, and regular citizens than by the undocumented. They are required to report release dates of undocumented inmates to ICE but those numbers are very small and he's never seen ICE pick anyone. They might for a murderer or another serious crimes but locally, at least, they don't bother with lesser crimes.

ICE has, however, raided businesses here who hire undocumented people and haul them off to detention centers. Local support groups show up when they can to assist the people with language translation, phone calls, etc. It rarely makes the news because ICE doesn't advertise and the businesses don't report it because they don't want it known they're hiring (and probably underpaying) the undocumented..

So is the post-debate consensus that Biden "won?"

Well if he didn't win... Bernie sure "lost"... he demonstrated he's got no aptitude for translating his vision of the world according to Bernie into anything tangible. He was hopeless on foreign affairs. He means well, but there's not much there except an impossible dream.

It was the debate version of Bernie's NY Daily News interview, r506. He had 4 years to figure it out and he didn't.

I was really surprised, R507. I thought he had more going on. You could almost see him deflate as he struggled to provide anything other than his script. I was really surprised.

"Please stop laughing at me."

[quote] Biden "won?"

I thought that Biden did QUITE well last night but it seems to not be generating the headlines that I would have thought it would, That's okay. He was GOOD last night! I noticed the Republicans and BernieBros tried to tear the performance down via the internet but it hasn't worked in my view. Were I a Republican (well, I actually was one), I'd be rather nervous by all that is coming. Miss Nancy's work, Biden's performance, etc would give me some concern. But, I'm surprised that many of those in the MSM just reviewed the Biden debate with a lukewarm type of attitude.

It's not generating headlines today... hm.. wonder why? Could everyone be preoccupied with something else?

Yeah, I agree that the CV is getting the attention. It seemed a bit tone deaf to hold a debate during this shit and even worse to have a primary while people are being told to hunker down. Hit the pause button for two weeks and have another Super Tuesday in April.

It's pretty clear that this will not be over in April.

"I hate to say it but at times Bernie actually seems deranged."

I didn't like the split screen when Joe was talking and Boiny kept mumbling to himself and shaking his head 'no'. Not professional, not Presidential.

He lost the debate, but he's not going away. Another reason to loathe him.

As long as he didn't massively fuck up, Biden is safe. Bernie's still got those Northern Mariana Islands though!

[quote]It seemed a bit tone deaf to hold a debate during this shit and even worse to have a primary while people are being told to hunker down. Hit the pause button for two weeks and have another Super Tuesday in April.

And who was it that was demanding this again?

That tells you all you need to know about how he handles and prioritizes National concerns.

[quote]but it seems to not be generating the headlines that I would have thought it would

Because it's over. Democrats are falling into line and have accepted Biden, flaws and all. The media knows that Bernie has no path to the nomination. Everyone is shifting to the general. Plus everyone's real focus is on corona now. Bernie and his followers are nothing more than annoying mosquitoes and gnats or more appropriately that last guest at the party who doesn't realize that it's time to go the fuck home.

Next stop: Burnie complains about holding state voters under corona madness.

Stop laughing at me!

This has basically been in inverse of "Democrats fall in love, Republicans fall in line" logic.

It actually benefits Bernie, r518, so I doubt it. Remember his base are the least likely to be impacted by the CV. It's older people who may not turn out.

No one fell in love with Burnie.

Some news commenter noted that basically Bernie kept hectoring Biden about things he did 15 or 20 years ago and that it made him sound like an old man arguing about old battles. And that no one who heard the debate would have felt better about having combative Bernie in charge right now than Biden.

Burnie is TRASH

[quote]You can see Bernie trying to work it out in his mind... he came into this with a bunch of trap lines and questions and his own stubborn view of the world. He can't do it.

No, he can't, R359 and R369. It's a specific kind of stubbornness and inflexibility that won't allow for any compromise, self-awareness, or change.

My goddaughter has a friend from law school who is like that. A professor at a prestigious uni, who enrolled in law school in her mid-40s. My goddaughter graduated last June, took and passed the universal bar exam in August, and got a job in NY in November. Meanwhile, her classmate, who'd graduated 6 months earlier than Goddaughter, has taken the bar exam three times. Failed three times. Because she KNOWS what the exam masters are looking for, but REFUSES to bend even a little bit to pass the exam. Says she knows the law better than the exam creators, and "won't be held hostage" to those less-intelligent creators by "playing the game." So she'll pay for another round of test prep...and will fail again.

Which is one thing, an individual law student self-sabotaging because of extreme stiffspining, but quite another to run and get thisclose to being POTUS with the same mental block.

Those people are TOXIC and should be avoided. Which Bernie was for decades before taking a flyer at the nomination in 2015/16. Thank goodness for black voters, or we'd be fucked right now.

I read a headline that Bernie is pushing for delaying the primaries. Why? Does he really believe that buying time is going to work to his advantage?

R526 it isn't about that. He knows he can't win. He just wants more time to hear his own voice and continue filling Lady Jane's bank account with donations from his dumb cultists.

Well, R525, we are fucked right now but let's hope ALL voters, black and whatever else, get out there and vote blue in November.

Ohio moves to postpone tomorrow's primary.

Dumb asses! Who cancels voting the afternoon before it is to start? Guess they didn’t want to interrupt their weekend. It doesn’t matter anyway. Just cancel all the remaining events.

Yeah, its the right thing to do. Everyone left should do mail in like Washington State.

Joe looks like he was fuckable when he was younger -- still a good-looking man. Bernie -- not so much then or now. Sorry. Plus he's a nudge who deflects to M4A without providing any specifics on how it will cost. But also, we have a health "revolution" right now -- do you think America or the world likes this kind of change (= revolution)?

I'm betting Pres. Obama will be coming out in support of Biden relatively soon now. I think he was just waiting to see who was going to end up on top. Now he knows.

R508 Bernie looked tired. A warrior at the end of the trail. 78, heart condition, and very demanding and stressful campaign schedule.

Well done, good and faithful servant, time to rest. History will be much kinder to Bernie than DL/

Just cancel Bernie Sanders and then we don't need to have any further primaries. He's not a Democrat, so the DNC should just remove him.

R433 Bernie's never been a team player. Hell, he still isn't even a Democrat, yet he wants to represent a party he's never even joined.

My takeaway from the debate:

Bernie has ideas, so many ideas. A few of them sound good but unachievable unless under perfect circumstances. Most of his ideas are unrealistic and are obviously so because he's had them, these same ideas, festering in his mind for forty years with no plans as to how to implement them. Only vague ramblings he repeats at volume with his pointer finger extended.

And if he did happen to have a plan to implement? He blatantly refuses to cooperate with others, he obstinantly won't accept that there will need to be compromise or at least a back-and-forth discussion to reach an agreement of some sort and he disrespects the process and his peers.

All those years in the Senate and he hasn't diversified his knowledge, his skill set or learned to grow from life experiences. I've had enough bombast and ignorance as president. That type has already done too much damage.

Bernie is like Trump. He is an egoist. He ran for president, liked the crowds, the money, and the press. He believes his press. He's not a realist. Why can't he put together that there is "something" wrong with his candidacy. Let's set aside his ideas for the moment. Bernie can't answer the question about will all the exuberance for him and his campaign, and all of the money his campaign pull in, why can't he get these people to the polls to vote for him?

He's been asked this a couple of times now and he just can't give an answer. Now, a rational person would think that something isn't right here. But, not our Bernie! He's on a different planet.

Ha! I never thought of this! But, this makes sense to me. Someone started a thread about this topic;

[quote]Judge rejects Republican plot to cancel primary election in Ohio on Tuesday

The Repugs wanted to give Bernie more time to cause trouble, and get the optics of Biden sitting on the witness stand over the Burisma farce.

I think Trump's sudden interest in Covid-19 was trying to thwart Biden. The desperately need Bernie to win the nomination.

Election will go on as planned.

Bernie's plan for all those trillions relies on lots of luck.

My guess is older voter turnout will be low tomorrow. People in their 20s-30s will also be down because kids will be out of school, and I doubt parents will want to take their kids out with them to go vote.

Bernie has no path to winning. His late exit and lack of ability to unify his voters likely put Trump in office. Continuing the primaries not only drags out the inevitable, but it puts the health of many at risk. The fact that he still won’t drop out under these circumstances really says it all.

Fuck this is 2020 can’t they postpone it a couple of weeks until they set up apparatus to vote online? Seems like the easiest solution in the world.

or at least by mail, r543. just send everyone absentee ballots.

And this is why I early voted in my primary which happens tomorrow.

BTW, I voted for Biden.

Please stop laughing at me!!!!

Either Bernie or Biden or maybe both will die of Covid-19.