Mia Farrow is Evil

A SON SPEAKS OUT By Moses Farrow

"Even though Woody and Mia never married – and he never lived with us or even stayed the night at our apartment in the city – he would often come over around 6:30 in the morning, bringing two newspapers and a bunch of muffins. I would wake up before the others, and so he and I would sit at the kitchen table together for breakfast. While he read The New York Times, I’d grab the Post and go straight to the comics and word puzzles. We’d spend this peaceful time together before waking Dylan. He’d make her a couple of slices of toast with cinnamon or honey and be there as she ate her breakfast. He hardly seemed like a monster to me. My older siblings were all either biological or adopted children of Mia and her ex-husband André Previn.

In 1985 Mia adopted Dylan. Two years later she and Woody had their only biological child, Satchel. At the age of 49, Woody seemed to delight in his new role of father. Mia had adopted me, her seventh child, as a single parent in 1980. In 1992 she successfully petitioned to allow Woody to co-adopt both Dylan and me, writing to the adoption agency, detailing what an excellent father he was. I was thrilled when Woody officially became my father, since he had already taken on that role in my life. We played catch and chess, fished, and shot hoops. As the years went by, Satchel, Dylan and I were frequent visitors to his movie sets and his editing room. In the evenings, he’d come over to Mia’s apartment and spend time with us. I never once saw anything that indicated inappropriate behavior at any time.

Then, of course, the news of Woody and Soon-Yi went public – and everything changed. My mother insisted that we remove both of them from our lives, and we had no choice but to accept. Even people who doubt Dylan’s claims of assault, often cling to Woody’s relationship with Soon-Yi as justification for their skepticism about him. The public attacks on Soon-Yi by complete strangers still stagger me, as does the general misinformation that so many people consider fact. She is not Woody’s daughter (adopted, step, or otherwise), nor is she developmentally challenged. (She got a master’s degree in special education from Columbia University!) And the claim that they started dating while she was underage is totally false. In truth, Woody and Soon-Yi rarely even spoke during her childhood. It was my mother who first suggested, when Soon-Yi was 20, that Woody reach out and spend time with her. He agreed and started taking her to Knicks games. That’s how their romance started. Yes, it was unorthodox, uncomfortable, disruptive to our family and it hurt my mother terribly. But the relationship itself was not nearly as devastating to our family as my mother’s insistence on making this betrayal the center of all our lives from then on. But the fatal dysfunction within my childhood home had nothing to do with Woody. It began long before he entered the picture and came straight from a deep and persistent darkness within the Farrow family. It was common knowledge in Hollywood that my grandfather, the director John Farrow, was a notorious drinker and serial philanderer. There were numerous alcohol-fueled arguments between her parents, and Mia told me that she was the victim of attempted molestation within her own family.

Her brother, my uncle John, who visited us many times when we were young, is currently in prison on a conviction of multiple child molestation charges. (My mother has never publicly commented on this or expressed concern about his victims.) My uncle Patrick and his family would often come by, but those visits could end abruptly as Mia and Patrick would often wind up arguing. Patrick would commit suicide in 2009."

"My mother, of course, had her own darkness. She married 50-year-old Frank Sinatra when she was only 21. After they divorced, she moved in to live with her close friend Dory Previn and her husband André. When my mother became pregnant by André, the Previns’ marriage broke up, leading to Dory’s institutionalization. It was never spoken of in our home, of course, and not even known to me until a few years ago. But, as I look at it – as a licensed therapist as well as an eyewitness – it’s easy to see the seeds of dysfunction that would flourish within our own home.

It was important to my mother to project to the world a picture of a happy blended household of both biological and adopted children, but this was far from the truth. I’m sure my mother had good intentions in adopting children with disabilities from the direst of circumstances, but the reality inside our walls was very different. It pains me to recall instances in which I witnessed siblings, some blind or physically disabled, dragged down a flight of stairs to be thrown into a bedroom or a closet, then having the door locked from the outside. She even shut my brother Thaddeus, paraplegic from polio, in an outdoor shed overnight as punishment for a minor transgression.

Soon-Yi was her most frequent scapegoat. My sister had an independent streak and, of all of us, was the least intimidated by Mia. When pushed, she would call our mother out on her behavior and ugly arguments would ensue. When Soon-Yi was young, Mia once threw a large porcelain centerpiece at her head. Luckily it missed, but the shattered pieces hit her legs. Years later, Mia beat her with a telephone receiver. Soon-Yi’s made it clear that her desire was simply to be left alone, which increasingly became the case. Even if her relationship with Woody was unconventional, it allowed her to escape. Others weren’t so lucky. Most media sources claim my sister Tam died of “heart failure” at the age of 21.

In fact, Tam struggled with depression for much of her life, a situation exacerbated by my mother refusing to get her help, insisting that Tam was just “moody.” One afternoon in 2000, after one final fight with Mia, which ended with my mother leaving the house, Tam committed suicide by overdosing on pills. My mother would tell others that the drug overdose was accidental, saying that Tam, who was blind, didn’t know which pills she was taking. But Tam had both an ironclad memory and sense of spatial recognition. And, of course, blindness didn’t impair her ability to count."

"The details of Tam’s overdose and the fight with Mia that precipitated it were relayed directly to me by my brother Thaddeus, a first-hand witness. Tragically, he is no longer able to confirm this account. Just two years ago, Thaddeus also committed suicide by shooting himself in his car, less than 10 minutes from my mother’s house.

My sister Lark was another fatality. She wound up on a path of self-destruction, struggled with addiction, and eventually died in poverty from AIDS-related causes in 2008 at age 35.

For all of us, life under my mother’s roof was impossible if you didn’t do exactly what you were told, no matter how questionable the demand.

The summer between first and second grades, she was having new wallpaper installed in the bedroom I slept in, across the hall from hers on the second floor of the Connecticut house. I was getting ready to go to sleep, when my mother came over to my bed and found a tape measure. She gave me a piercing look that stopped me in my tracks and asked if I had taken it, as she had been looking for it all day. I stood in front of her, frozen. She asked why it was on my bed. I told her I didn’t know, that perhaps a workman had left it there. She asked again and again and again.

When I didn’t give the answer she wanted, she slapped my face, knocking off my glasses. She told me I was lying and directed me to tell my brothers and sisters that I had taken the tape measure. Through my tears I listened to her as she explained that we would rehearse what should have happened. She would walk into the room and I would tell her I was sorry for taking the tape measure, that I had taken it to play with and that I would never do it again. She made me rehearse it at least a half-dozen times.

That was the start of her coaching, drilling, scripting, and rehearsing – in essence, brainwashing. I became anxious and fearful. Once, when I was given a new pair of jeans, I thought they would look cool if I cut off a couple of the belt loops. When Mia saw what I had done, she spanked me repeatedly and had me remove all my clothing, saying, “You’re not deserving of any clothes” and making me stand naked in the corner of her room, in front of my older siblings who had just returned from dinner with their father André. (After I spoke to People magazine in 2014 about how I was treated, Dylan called it a “betrayal” and said that I was “dead to” her. She later publicly dismissed my recollections of my childhood as “irrelevant.” This from a woman who now styles herself an “advocate for abuse victims.”)

Fighting back was not a viable option. One summer day, Mia accused me of leaving the curtains closed in the TV room. They had been drawn the day before when Dylan and Satchel were watching a movie. She insisted that I had closed them and left them that way. Her friend Casey had come over to visit and while they were in the kitchen, my mother insisted I had shut the curtains. At that point, I couldn’t take it anymore and I lost it, yelling, “You’re lying!” She shot me a look and took me into the bathroom next to the TV room. She hit me uncontrollably all over my body. She slapped me, pushed me backwards and hit me on my chest, shouting, “How dare you say I’m a liar in front of my friend. You’re the pathological liar.” I was defeated, deflated, beaten and beaten down. Mia had stripped me of my voice and my sense of self. It was clear that if I stepped even slightly outside her carefully crafted reality, she would not tolerate it. It was an upbringing that made me, paradoxically, both fiercely loyal and obedient to her, as well as deeply afraid."

"In short, it was not a happy home – or a healthy one. Which brings us back to August 4, 1992.

Strangers on Twitter pose me this question all the time: “You weren’t there to witness the assault, so how do you know it didn’t happen?” But how could anyone witness an assault if it never happened?

As the “man of the house” that day, I had promised to keep an eye out for any trouble, and I was doing just that. I remember where Woody sat in the TV room, and I can picture where Dylan and Satchel were. Not that everybody stayed glued to the same spot, but I deliberately made sure to note everyone’s coming and going. I do remember that Woody would leave the room on occasion, but never with Dylan. He would wander into another room to make a phone call, read the paper, use the bathroom, or step outside to get some air and walk around the large pond on the property.

Along with five kids, there were three adults in the house, all of whom had been told for months what a monster Woody was. None of us would have allowed Dylan to step away with Woody, even if he tried. Casey’s nanny, Alison, would later claim that she walked into the TV room and saw Woody kneeling on the floor with his head in Dylan’s lap on the couch. Really? With all of us in there? And if she had witnessed that, why wouldn’t she have said something immediately to our nanny Kristi? (I also remember some discussion of this act perhaps taking place on the staircase that led to Mia’s room. Again, this would have been in full view of anyone who entered the living room, assuming Woody managed to walk off with Dylan in the first place.) The narrative had to be changed since the only place for anyone to commit an act of depravity in private would have been in a small crawl space off my mother’s upstairs bedroom. By default, the attic became the scene of the alleged assault.

In her widely-circulated 2014 open letter in The New York Times, the adult Dylan suddenly seemed to remember every moment of the alleged assault, writing, “He told me to lay on my stomach and play with my brother’s electric train set. Then he sexually assaulted me. He talked to me while he did it, whispering that I was a good girl, that this was our secret, promising that we’d go to Paris and I’d be a star in his movies. I remember staring at that toy train, focusing on it as it traveled in its circle around the attic. To this day, I find it difficult to look at toy trains.”

It’s a precise and compelling narrative, but there’s a major problem: there was no electric train set in that attic. There was, in fact, no way for kids to play up there, even if we had wanted to. It was an unfinished crawl space, under a steeply-angled gabled roof, with exposed nails and floorboards, billows of fiberglass insulation, filled with mousetraps and droppings and stinking of mothballs, and crammed with trunks full of hand-me-down clothes and my mother’s old wardrobes."

"The idea that the space could possibly have accommodated a functioning electric train set, circling around the attic, is ridiculous. One of my brothers did have an elaborate model train set, but it was set up in the boys’ room, a converted garage on the first floor. (Maybe that was the train set my sister thinks she remembers?) Now, whenever I hear Dylan making a public statement about what allegedly happened to her that day when she was barely seven, I can only think of that imaginary train set, which she never brought up during the original investigation or custody hearing. Did somebody suggest to the adult Dylan that such a specific detail would make her story more credible? Or does she really believe she remembers this train “circling around the attic” the same way she says she remembers Woody’s whispered promises of trips to Paris and movie stardom (kind of odd enticements to offer a 7-year-old, rather than a new toy or a doll)? And all this apparently took place while those of us who promised to have our eyes trained on Woody were downstairs, seemingly oblivious to what was happening right above our heads?

Eventually, my mother returned with Casey and her newest adoptees, Tam and baby Isaiah. There were no complaints by the nannies, and nothing odd about Dylan’s behavior. In fact, Woody and Mia went out to dinner that night. After dinner, they returned to Frog Hollow and Woody stayed over in a downstairs bedroom – with, apparently, no abnormal behavior by Dylan, and no negative reports from any of the grown-ups.

The next morning, Woody was still at the house. Before he left, I briefly wandered into the living room and witnessed Dylan and Satchel sitting with him on the floor by a wall with a big picture window. The kids had a catalogue from a toy store and were marking off the toys they wanted him to bring back on his next visit. It was a cheerful, playful atmosphere – which would soon seem jarring compared to what Mia would allege happened less than a day before. Many years later, I once mentioned my recollection to Woody, and he said that he, too, remembered it quite vividly, telling me how he had told Satchel and Dylan to mark one or two toys each, but they had laughingly managed to check off virtually every toy in the catalogue. He remembers bringing it back to the city with him, with the intention of purchasing a few of the items they had checked. He told me he wound up holding onto that catalogue for years, having no idea that he would never see his daughter again.

Interestingly, it was only after Woody returned to the city that Mia would receive a phone call that would change our lives forever. It was from her friend Casey, who reported that her nanny Alison had witnessed Woody supposedly placing his head in Dylan’s lap on the sofa in the TV room.

When Monica, our long-term nanny who was out that day, returned to work the next day, I confided to her that I thought the story was made up. Monica, who had been with us for six years, would quit her job a few months later, saying that Mia was pressuring her to take her side and support the accusation.

It was Monica who later testified that she saw Mia taping Dylan describe how Woody had supposedly touched her in the attic, saying it took Mia two or three days to make the recording. In her testimony she said, “I recall Ms. Farrow saying to Dylan at that time, ‘Dylan, what did daddy do... and what did he do next?’ Dylan appeared not to be interested, and Ms. Farrow would stop taping for a while and then continue.” I can vouch for this, having witnessed some of this process myself. When another one of Dylan’s therapists, Dr. Nancy Schultz, criticized the making of the video, and questioned the legitimacy of the content, she too, was fired immediately by Mia. (My mother, for whom “loyalty” was hugely important, would also fire another long-term caretaker, Mavis, claiming that she was making statements against her.)"

Soon-Yi is a grifter. Not the brightest bulb on the tree.

"During the custody hearing, my mother kept stressing how we needed to stick together as a family. Frightened and beaten down, I, too, played my part. I even wrote a letter condemning Woody, saying that he had done something horrible and unforgivable, and had broken my dreams. I even read the letter for the news media that were now regularly gathered at the end of our driveway, knowing that doing so would earn my mother’s approval. That public denouncement of my father remains the biggest regret of my life.

Later that year, I remember many meetings with lawyers and an evaluation I went to in New Jersey. I am naturally shy and kept quiet until I finally felt the need to speak up. I told the evaluator that I felt stuck between my parents. Afterwards, I returned to my school and my mother called, screaming. “Do you realize what you’ve done? You’ve destroyed my case! You need to call your lawyer and tell her you take back what you said, tell her that you recant your statements and want them stricken from the record.” I felt my stomach drop. When I next spoke to the lawyer, I repeated her words verbatim, “I take back what I said, I recant my statements and want them stricken from the record.” Again, the pattern held: I was forced to follow my mother’s script to prove my loyalty.

Even though she still lectured us about “staying together as a family,” at the beginning of my sophomore year of high school, my mother sent me to boarding school in Connecticut against my wishes. I objected that I wanted to stay in New York; she didn’t care. My usefulness in the family drama had played itself out. I had made my statement against my father, my role was done, and I was sent away.

At the time, of course, I knew nothing about the six-month criminal investigation conducted by the Child Sexual Abuse Clinic of the Yale/New Haven Hospital, ordered by the Connecticut state police. But since this allegation was renewed a few years ago, I’ve seen the results of that investigation. It specifically concluded that “Dylan was not abused by Mr. Allen,” that her statements had a “rehearsed quality” and that they were “likely coached or influenced by her mother.” Those conclusions perfectly match my own childhood experience: coaching, influencing, and rehearsing are three words that sum up exactly how my mother tried to raise us. I know that Dylan has recently referred to this brainwashing theory as “spin” by our father – but it was nothing of the sort. It was not only the conclusion reached by a state-ordered investigation, it was the reality of life in our household."

"That report put an end to any chance of criminal charges being brought against my father. A second, 14-month investigation by the New York State Department of Social Services, reached the same conclusion as Yale/New Haven: “No credible evidence was found that [Dylan Farrow] has been abused or maltreated.” Nevertheless, when a judge granted custody of Satchel and Dylan to Mia, at 15, I chose the path of least resistance, and also stayed with my mother.

In my mid-twenties, shortly after I graduated from my master’s program, I felt that I wanted to reach out to Woody, and communicated this to Mia. I’ll never forget how happy I felt when I received her return email saying she would support it, understanding my need for a father figure. That happiness was short-lived. Less than 24 hours later, she reconsidered, and wrote back, saying that she forbade me from making contact with “that monster.”

Several years later, I became estranged from my mother, but it has taken years of self-reflection, professional help and support from those I love – and who love me in return – for me to appreciate the sad truth of my childhood and of what my mother did to my siblings and me. I am grateful to have awakened to the truth of what happened to us – but disappointed that it took me this long to get here.

Meanwhile, though, my father continues to face wave after wave of unfair and unrelenting attacks from my mother and her surrogates, questioning why he has been “given a pass” all these years. But Woody was not given a pass. Quite the opposite. Mia’s accusation was fully investigated by two separate agencies and charges were never brought. Mia reached the end of the legal runway after it was determined that the abuse never occurred. But trial by media thrives on the lack of long-term memory and Twitter requires neither knowledge nor restraint.

To those who have become convinced of my father’s guilt, I ask you to consider this: In this time of #MeToo, when so many movie heavyweights have faced dozens of accusations, my father has been accused of wrongdoing only once, by an enraged ex-partner during contentious custody negotiations. During almost 60 years in the public eye, not one other person has come forward to accuse him of even behaving badly on a date, or acting inappropriately in any professional situation, let alone molesting a child. As a trained professional, I know that child molestation is a compulsive sickness and deviation that demands repetition. Dylan was alone with Woody in his apartment countless times over the years without a hint of impropriety, yet some would have you believe that at the age of 56, he suddenly decided to become a child molester in a house full of hostile people ordered to watch him like a hawk.

To the actors who have worked with my father and have voiced regret for doing so: You have rushed to join the chorus of condemnation based on a discredited accusation for fear of not being on the “right” side of a major social movement. But rather than accept the hysteria of Twitter mobs, mindlessly repeating a story examined and discredited 25 years ago, please consider what I have to say. After all, I was there – in the house, in the room – and I know both my father and mother and what each is capable of a whole lot better than you.

Woody, Mia & Soon-Yi are all trash who deserve each other.

To my sister Dylan: Like you, I believe in the power of speaking out. I have broken my silence about the abuse inflicted by our mother. My healing began only after getting away from her. And what she has done to you is unbearable. I wish you peace, and the wisdom to understand that devoting your life to helping our mother destroy our father’s reputation is unlikely to bring you closure in any kind of lasting way.

Finally, to my mother: One thing you always said you appreciated about me was my ability to listen. I listened to you for years and held your truth above all others. You once said to me, “It’s not healthy to hold onto anger.” Yet here we are, 26 years later. I’m guessing your next step will be to launch a campaign to discredit me for speaking out. I know it comes with the territory. And it’s a burden I am willing to bear.

But, after all this time, enough is enough. You and I both know the truth. And it’s time for this retribution to end."

The Woody Allen Allegations: Not So Fast (2014):

I produced and directed the two-part PBS special, Woody Allen: A Documentary, that premiered in the U.S. on the “American Masters” series. I also supervised and consulted on the brief clip montage that aired as part of the recent Golden Globes telecast, when Allen received the Cecil B. DeMille Award for Lifetime Achievement.

When I went online the morning after the Globes broadcast, I found more than one email asking if I had seen the previous night’s tweets from Mia Farrow and her son, Ronan. A quick search led me not only to the accusatory tweets, but to the explosion of internet chatter that followed in their wake.

My association with Woody is primarily a professional one, though we’ve remained friendly since the documentary and still occasionally correspond by email via his assistant (since Woody still types on a 60-year old manual typewriter). When I wrote him the day after the ceremony, he was vaguely aware that Mia and Ronan had badmouthed him (again), but he wasn’t certain what Twitter was. (He’s heard of blogging and always confuses the two.) Because he doesn’t go online, he was blissfully unaware of how much ink (sorry, bandwidth) the story was getting. If he had known, he still wouldn’t have cared.

Mia’s accusations were old business, and the fact that Ronan was publicly chiming in meant nothing to Woody, who hadn’t even seen his (alleged) son for 20 years. I also knew Woody would never publicly respond to any of this. His indifference to the gossip has always struck me not as a decision so much as an involuntary and organic reaction. In fact, during a written exchange that day in which I mentioned the tweet attack, he was more focused on giving me advice about a stye I had on my eyelid that I joked was probably a brain tumor: “I agree, you probably do have a brain tumor. You should get your affairs in order quickly as those things can move rather rapidly. You’ll probably start to have some problems with your balance—don’t panic—it’s quite natural for a brain tumor.” He then counseled me not to use up my “remaining days” fretting over Mia.

The OP is a retard.

There are basically two issues at play here. One is Woody’s starting a romantic/sexual relationship with Mia’s adopted daughter Soon-Yi Previn, in 1991. The other is Mia’s accusation—used during their custody battle for their three shared children—that Woody molested their 7-year-old adopted daughter Dylan. People tend to confuse these two issues, so let’s examine them separately.

First, the Soon-Yi situation:

Every time I stumble upon this topic on the internet, it seems the people who are most outraged are also the most ignorant of the facts. Following are the top ten misconceptions, followed by my response in italics:

#1: Soon-Yi was Woody’s daughter. False.

#2: Soon-Yi was Woody’s step-daughter. False.

#3: Soon-Yi was Woody and Mia’s adopted daughter. False. Soon-Yi was the adopted daughter of Mia Farrow and André Previn. Her full name was Soon-Yi Farrow Previn.

#4: Woody and Mia were married. False.

#5: Woody and Mia lived together. False. Woody lived in his apartment on Fifth Ave. Mia and her kids lived on Central Park West. In fact, Woody never once stayed over night at Mia’s apartment in 12 years.

#6: Woody and Mia had a common-law marriage. False. New York State does not recognize common law marriage. Even in states that do, a couple has to cohabitate for a certain number of years.

#7: Soon-Yi viewed Woody as a father figure. False. Soon-Yi saw Woody as her mother’s boyfriend. Her father figure was her adoptive father, André Previn.

#8: Soon-Yi was underage when she and Woody started having relations. False. She was either 19 or 21. (Her year of birth in Korea was undocumented, but believed to be either 1970 or ’72.)

#9: Soon-Yi was borderline retarded. Ha! She’s smart as a whip, has a degree from Columbia University and speaks more languages than you.

#10: Woody was grooming Soon-Yi from an early age to be his child bride. Oh, come on! According to court documents and Mia’s own memoir, until 1990 (when Soon-Yi was 18 or 20), Woody “had little to do with any of the Previn children, (but) had the least to do with Soon-Yi” so Mia encouraged him to spend more time with her. Woody started taking her to basketball games, and the rest is tabloid history. So he hardly “had his eye on her” from the time she was a child.

Let me add this: If anyone is creeped out by the notion of a 55-year old man becoming involved with his girlfriend’s 19-year old adopted daughter, I understand. That makes perfect sense. But why not get the facts straight? If the actual facts are so repugnant to you, then why embellish them?

It’s understandable that Mia would remain furious with Woody for the rest of her life. If I were in Mia’s position, I’m sure I’d feel the same way. (Though I’d likely handle it as a private matter and not be tweeting about him being a pedophile, just before tweeting, “omfg look at this baby panda.”)

I also understand the simmering anger of Ronan Farrow (née Satchel), who has famously said of Allen, “He’s my father married to my sister. That makes me his son and his brother-in-law. That is such a moral transgression.” However, this particular dilemma might be resolved by Mia’s recent revelations that Ronan’s biological father may “possibly” be Frank Sinatra, whom Farrow married in 1966, when she was 21 and the crooner was 50.

While we’re on the subject, a word about this Sinatra business: To even say that Ronan is “possibly” Sinatra’s son implies that Mia was fooling around with her ex-husband decades after their divorce. Backdating from Ronan’s birthdate, it means that Farrow and Sinatra “hooked up” in March of 1987 when Mia was 42 and Old Blue Eyes was 71.

This sort of dispels the myth that Woody and Mia had this idyllic, loving, monogamous relationship until Woody threw it all away in 1992, since Mia was apparently diddling her ex, five years earlier. If Mia was “just kidding” about the Sinatra scenario, it was an awfully insensitive thing to say, considering the fact that Sinatra’s wife, Barbara, is still very much alive. Did Mia stop to think how her coy tease might be perceived by the widow Sinatra? One can only wonder if this also fits Ronan’s definition of a “moral transgression.” (One may also wonder whether Woody is owed a fortune in reimbursement for child support.)

I am not here to slam Mia. I think she’s an exceptional actress and I seriously admire her political activism. (I even follow her on Twitter.) But those who hate Woody “for what he did to Mia,” should be reminded that if Sinatra was indeed Ronan’s biological father, it’s not the first time Mia had a child by a married man. In 1969, at the age of 24, she became pregnant by musician/composer André Previn, 40, who was still married to singer/songwriter Dory Previn.

The betrayal is said to have led to Dory Previn’s mental breakdown and institutionalization, during which she received electroconvulsive therapy. She would later write a song called, “Beware of Young Girls” about Mia. Maybe sleeping with your friend’s husband doesn’t earn as many demerits as sleeping with your girlfriend’s adopted daughter, but if you’re waving the “Never Forget” banner in Mia’s honor, let’s be consistent and take a moment to also remember the late Dory Previn. (Or better yet, let’s forget the whole damn thing, considering it’s none of our business.)

Now, on to the more delicate issue of Mia’s accusations during the custody case that Woody sexually abused Dylan/Malone.

A brief but chilling synopsis of the accusation is as follows: On August 4, 1992, almost four months after the revelation about Woody and Soon-Yi’s relationship understandably ignited a firestorm within the Farrow household, Woody was visiting Frog Hollow, the Farrow country home in Bridgewater, Connecticut, where Mia and several of her kids were staying. During an unsupervised moment, Woody allegedly took Dylan into the attic and, shall we say, “touched her inappropriately.” Later in the day, it was alleged that the child was wearing her sundress, but that her underpants were missing. The following day, Mia’s daughter allegedly told her mother what had happened, and Mia put the child’s recounting of the story on videotape as evidence.

Did this event actually occur? If we’re inclined to give it a second thought, we can each believe what we want, but none of us know. Why does the adult Malone say it happened? Because she obviously believes it did, so good for her for speaking out about it in Vanity Fair. Her brother Ronan believes it happened, so good for him for sticking up for his sister in 140 characters or less. They’ve both grown up in a household where this scenario has been accepted as indisputable fact, so why shouldn’t they believe it?

I know I’m treading a delicate path here, and opening myself up to accusations of “blaming the victim.” However, I’m merely floating scenarios to consider, and you can think what you will. But if Mia’s account is true, it means that in the middle of custody and support negotiations, during which Woody needed to be on his best behavior, in a house belonging to his furious ex-girlfriend, and filled with people seething mad at him, Woody, who is a well-known claustrophobic, decided this would be the ideal time and place to take his daughter into an attic and molest her, quickly, before a house full of children and nannies noticed they were both missing.

Even people who give Woody the benefit of the doubt and defend him on the internet are often confused on a few points. Some mistakenly say that the court found him “not guilty” of the molestation charges. The fact is there was never such a ruling because he was never charged with a crime, since investigative authorities never found credible evidence to support Mia’s (and Dylan’s) claim.

[Woody] was never charged with a crime, since investigative authorities never found credible evidence to support Mia’s (and Dylan’s) claim.

Let’s back up a bit: Mia’s allegations of molestation automatically triggered a criminal investigation by the Connecticut State Police, who brought in an investigative team from the Yale-New Haven Hospital, whose six-month long inquiry (which included medical examinations) concluded that Dylan had not been molested. I’ve since read a recurring canard that Woody “chose” the investigative team. Yet nobody has suggested how or why Mia’s team would ever outsource the investigation to a team “chosen” by Woody. Others have said that the investigators talked to psychiatrists “on Allen’s payroll” before letting him off the hook.

The only way I can explain this is that the investigators, naturally, would have spoken with Woody’s shrinks before giving him a clean bill of health. So technically, yeah, Woody’s shrinks would have been paid a lot of money by Woody over the years. (Let’s even call it an annuity.) The same would be true of his dentist, his eye doctor, and his internist.

" Soon-Yi was borderline retarded. Ha! She’s smart as a whip, has a degree from Columbia University and speaks more languages than you."

That's a lie. She's quite dim. And she managed to graduate from college because money and can go a long way in the field of education.

As for the evidentiary videotape of young Dylan’s claims, it’s been noted that there were several starts and stops in the recording, essentially creating in-camera “edits” to the young girl’s commentary. This raises questions as to what was happening when the tape wasn’t running. Was Mia “coaching” her daughter off-camera, as suggested by the investigators? Mia says no—she merely turned the camera on whenever Dylan starting talking about what Daddy did. Maybe we should take Mia at her word on this. Since I wasn’t there, I think it’s good policy not to presume what took place.

The videotape and the medical exams weren’t the only problems Mia faced in bringing abuse charges against her former lover. There were problems with inconsistencies in her daughter’s off-camera narrative as well. A New York Times article dated March 26, 1993, quotes from Mia’s own testimony, during which she recalled taking the child to a doctor on the same day as the alleged incident. Farrow recalled, “I think (Dylan) said (Allen) touched her, but when asked where, she just looked around and went like this,” at which point Mia patted her shoulders. Farrow recalls she took Dylan to another doctor, four days later. On the stand, Allen’s attorney asked Mia about the second doctor’s findings: “There was no evidence of injury to the anal or vaginal area, is that correct?” Farrow answered, “Yes.”

In the midst of the proceedings, on February 2, 1993, a revealing article appeared in the Los Angeles Times, headlined: “Nanny Casts Doubt on Farrow Charges,” in which former nanny Monica Thompson (whose salary was paid by Allen, since three of the brood were also his) swore in a deposition to Allen’s attorneys that she was pressured by Farrow to support the molestation charges, and the pressure led her to resign her position. Thompson had this to say about the videotape: ““I know that the tape was made over the course of at least two and perhaps three days. I recall Ms. Farrow saying to Dylan at that time, ‘Dylan, what did daddy do… and what did he do next?’ Dylan appeared not to be interested, and Ms. Farrow would stop taping for a while and then continue.”

Thompson further revealed a conversation she had with Kristie Groteke, another nanny. “She told me that she felt guilty allowing Ms. Farrow to say those things about Mr. Allen. (Groteke) said the day Mr. Allen spent with the kids, she did not have Dylan out of her sight for longer than five minutes. She did not remember Dylan being without her underwear.”

On April 20, 1993, a sworn statement was entered into evidence by Dr. John M. Leventhal, who headed the Yale-New Haven Hospital investigative team looking into the abuse charges. An article from the New York Times dated May 4, 1993, includes some interesting excerpts of their findings.

As to why the team felt the charges didn’t hold water, Leventhal states: “We had two hypotheses: one, that these were statements made by an emotionally disturbed child and then became fixed in her mind. And the other hypothesis was that she was coached or influenced by her mother. We did not come to a firm conclusion. We think that it was probably a combination.”

Leventhal further swears Dylan’s statements at the hospital contradicted each other as well as the story she told on the videotape. “Those were not minor inconsistencies. She told us initially that she hadn’t been touched in the vaginal area, and she then told us that she had, then she told us that she hadn’t.” He also said the child’s accounts had “a rehearsed quality.” At one point, she told him, “I like to cheat on my stories.” The sworn statement further concludes: “Even before the claim of abuse was made last August, the view of Mr. Allen as an evil and awful and terrible man permeated the household.

The view that he had molested Soon-Yi and was a potential molester of Dylan permeated the household… It’s quite possible —as a matter of fact, we think it’s medically probable—that (Dylan) stuck to that story over time because of the intense relationship she had with her mother.” Leventhal further notes it was “very striking” that each time Dylan spoke of the abuse, she coupled it with “one, her father’s relationship with Soon-Yi, and two, the fact that it was her poor mother, her poor mother,” who had lost a career in Mr. Allen’s films.

Much is made by Mia’s supporters over the fact that the investigative team destroyed their collective notes prior to their submission of the report. Also, the three doctors who made up the team did not testify in court, other than through the sworn deposition of team leader Leventhal. I have no idea if this is common practice or highly unusual. I won’t wager a guess as to what was behind the destruction of the notes any more than I’ll claim to know why Mia stopped and started her video camera while filming her daughter’s recollections over a few days, or who was alleged to have leaked the tape of Dylan to others, or why Mia wouldn't take a lie detector test. (Woody took one and passed.)

In any event, destruction of the notes may have been part of the reason that, despite the very conclusive position taken by the investigators that Dylan was not abused, presiding Judge Elliot Wilk found their report “inconclusive.”

Judge Wilk would ultimately grant Mia custody of Satchel and Dylan. 15-year-old Moses chose not to see Woody, which was his right. It was a hard-won victory for Mia who returned home with eight of her nine children intact. She would go on to adopt six more, including Thaddeus Wilk Farrow, named in honor of the Honorable Judge Wilk.

Woody was granted supervised visitation of Satchel, but his request for immediate visitation with Dylan was denied until the young girl underwent a period of therapy, after which a further review of visitation would be considered. As a legal matter, the investigation of possible criminal abuse would continue.

Almost four months after Wilk’s decision, the Connecticut authorities abandoned the criminal investigation, resulting in an unusual statement from Litchfield, Connecticut County Prosecutor Frank Maco, who dismissed the abuse charges against Woody, but still maintained that he had “probable cause” to believe Dylan. In the minds of many, the decision would leave Woody in a kind of moral limbo. Legally, he was cleared of everything—except a dark cloud of suspicion.

Woody was furious, and called a press conference in which he referred to the state’s attorney office as “cowardly, dishonest and irresponsible. Even today, as they squirm, lie, sweat, and tap-dance, pathetically trying to save face and justify their moral squalor… there was no evidence against me. There is none now. I promise you, smear as they may, they will always claim to have evidence; but notice that somehow they will manage to find reasons why they can’t quite show it to you.”

Woody’s ad-hoc press conference made for good television and was widely covered in the press. Less widely disseminated was a news item that appeared in the New York Times five months later (Feb. 24, 1994), which reported that a disciplinary panel found the actions of County Prosecutor Frank Maco (the “probable cause” guy) were cause for “grave concern” and may have prejudiced the case. It winds up that Maco sent his “probable cause” statement to the Surrogate’s Court judge in Manhattan who was still deciding on Allen’s adoption status of Dylan and Moses, which Mia was trying to annul.

The panel wrote, “In most circumstances, [Maco’s comments] would have violated the prosecutor’s obligation to the accused. [His actions were] inappropriate, unsolicited, and potentially prejudicial.” The article states that the agency could have voted sanctions against Maco ranging from censure to disbarment. Though the decision was quite damning, Maco got what amounted to a slap on the wrist. Two years later, the reprimand was overturned, but Mia was unsuccessful in her bid to annul the adoptions. Legally, Woody remains the adoptive father of Dylan and Moses.

Moses Farrow, now 36, has been estranged from Mia for several years. During a recent conversation, he spoke of “finally seeing the reality” of Frog Hollow and used the term “brainwashing” without hesitation. He recently reestablished contact with Allen and is currently enjoying a renewed relationship with him and Soon-Yi.

Life would go on for both Woody and Mia, respectively. Aside from tending to her growing family, Farrow would come to be recognized as a leading human rights advocate, with special concern for the plight of children in conflict-torn regions. She has worked diligently to bring attention to the Sudanese genocide in Darfur, and has made many trips to the region, receiving several awards for her humanitarian efforts in the process. Woody Allen would continue his ritual of writing and producing a film per-year—an unprecedented pace he’s maintained since 1969. The accolades and awards continue to pour in, and no one is less impressed than Allen, who has traditionally stayed away from all awards shows.

In 1997, Woody and Soon-Yi would marry in Venice, Italy, and over the next few years adopt two daughters. Anyone who has adopted is familiar with the vetting process conducted by social workers and licensed government agencies charged with looking out for the child’s welfare. Suffice it to say, the case of Woody and Soon-Yi was no exception, especially considering the highly-publicized events of 1992-93. Both adoptions, in two different states, were thoroughly reviewed by state court judges who found no reason why Woody and his wife shouldn’t be allowed to adopt. The girls, now aged 15 and 13, are named Bechet (after jazz saxophonist/clarinetist Sidney Bechet) and Manzie (after jazz drummer Manzie Johnson).

Mia was Woody's muse. BUT she was also great on her own -- Rosemary's Baby? For better or worse, she was the first of the celebrities who chose to adopt children (rather than dogs like today's celebs).

My more recent professional association with Woody took place last month, when I was asked to work on the Allen clip montage for the Golden Globes. The montage editor, Nicholas Goodman, and I wanted to include a brief moment from The Purple Rose of Cairo, in which Mia appeared. The producers were concerned about whether she would sign a release for the clip. (The Screen Actors Guild maintains very strict rules about obtaining authorization from any actor who appears in a clip excised for compilations.)

I thought it unlikely that Mia would object, as I had obtained a signed release for my documentary, in which she granted permission for her appearance in many lengthy clips from several Allen films. At the time, I was extremely grateful for her cooperation, for without it, I would have had a 12-year gap in my film, and Mia would have been extremely conspicuous by her absence. I even took it as a possible sign that 20 years after the fact, perhaps the healing process had begun to take hold. As a further sign of good will, Mia agreed to the use of her “Purple Rose” clip in the Golden Globe montage. The producers of the show were grateful. Everyone agreed it would have been a shame not to acknowledge Mia’s contribution to so many of Allen’s best films.

At the ceremony in Beverly Hills, actress Emma Stone, having just worked with Woody on his latest film Magic in the Moonlight, introduced the montage, followed by Diane Keaton’s surrogate acceptance speech, which was typically sentimental, loopy, and very Keatonesque. Woody, who would have never stopped throwing up had he been there, was instead in New York at the Stephen Sondheim Theatre for the opening of Beautiful: The Carole King Musical, whose book was written by Woody’s friend Doug McGrath. Woody had already told me that if the show let out early enough, he was hoping to get home in time to catch the last quarter of the football playoffs.

Apparently, Mia and Ronan assigned more significance to the festivities than did Woody, seeing the televised occasion as a perfect opportunity to bring him down a few pegs. The first of Mia’s tweets, issued as the Woody segment commenced, was restrained and kind of cute: “Time to grab some icecream & switch over to #GIRLS.” I smiled when I read it, and thought, “Why not? You already saw the montage when you approved the use of your clip.”

Her second tweet, referencing the recent Vanity Fair article, was nastier: “A woman has publicly detailed Woody Allen’s molestation of her at age 7. GoldenGlobe tribute showed contempt for her & all abuse survivors.”

This one puzzled me. I thought it was odd to say the Globe tribute showed contempt for abuse survivors when Mia willfully participated in the festivities by expressly agreeing to the use of her clip, when she had every opportunity to decline. She certainly wasn’t pressured, and we had an alternative version of the montage (sans Mia) all ready to go in case she passed. It seemed Mia either wanted it both ways, or simply assumed no one would ever learn that she was complicit in the tribute.

By the time I saw her third tweet, asking, “Is he a pedophile?” and linking to the Vanity Fair article, my most charitable thought was that this woman needs to get over herself. A more mischievous part of me wanted to repost her tweet, but swap out her link for one leading to an article about the recent 10-year jail sentence received by her brother, John Charles Villiers-Farrow, for multiple counts of child molestation—a topic she’s been unusually quiet about, considering her penchant for calling out alleged (let alone, convicted) molesters to whom she’s exposed her children.

During a recent conversation, [Moses Farrow] spoke of “finally seeing the reality” of Frog Hollow and used the term “brainwashing” without hesitation.

I was actually somewhat impressed with Ronan Farrow’s now-famous tweet from the summer of 2012: “Happy father’s day—or as they call it in my family, happy brother-in-law’s day.” The target was fair game, and I remember thinking Ronan had inherited his father’s wit—before his actual paternity came into question. (A good sense of humor and the ability to think on his feet will serve him well on his own show on MSNBC.) But his tweet the night of the Globes was a bit more vicious: “Missed the Woody Allen tribute—did they put the part where a woman publicly confirmed he molested her at age 7 before or after Annie Hall?” Brevity may be the soul of wit, if not nuanced accuracy. Had he stated that a woman publicly “alleged” molestation, it probably wouldn’t have triggered quite the reaction Ronan was looking for, just weeks before his show debuts. To remind readers that the woman is recalling memories from the age of seven, when a six-month investigation characterized her as being “emotionally disturbed,” and making statements that were likely “coached or influenced by her mother,” takes a little more than 140 characters.

I’ve already said this, but it bears repeating: I know Dylan/Malone believes these events took place, and I know Ronan believes so too. I am not in a position to say they didn’t, any more than all the people on the internet calling for Woody’s head can say they did. The point is that accusations make headlines; retractions are buried on page twelve, and coerced accusations are as much a reality as coerced confessions. Since Woody literally pays no mind to this stuff, and he continues to work and have a happy home life, I would never suggest he’s a victim in this case. The real victim has always been Malone. For me, however, the real questions are: who’s doing the victimizing, and does pain really heal better in the public spotlight? I don’t pretend to have answers for either question.

Malone, who is now a writer and artist, and happily married to an information-technology specialist, had been living a seemingly quiet life out of the spotlight. Obviously, if she feels that an interview with Vanity Fair is a necessary part of her healing process, that’s her right. I can only hope it brought her some closure, and I sincerely wish her all the happiness and peace she’s been looking for. I can even clear up one tiny mystery for her, of which I have personal knowledge. In the Vanity Fair article, Malone says that while a senior in college, she received in the mail a stuffed, manila envelope from Woody, filled with old photos of the two of them. She didn’t recognize the handwriting, but “(the envelope) had a fake return name: Lehman.”

When I was working on my documentary, I’d occasionally request material from Woody’s office, which would be mailed to me by his assistant whose name would appear on the return address. During Malone’s senior year in college, Woody had an assistant whose surname was Lehman. So there’s one mystery solved. If only all the others were so easy.

As to the overall reliability or objectivity of Vanity Fair, I can’t really take a position. I do know that the publication was sued for libel in 2005 by director Roman Polanski who, in 1977, pled guilty to unlawful intercourse with a thirteen-year-old girl in Los Angeles that year.

The magazine published an article stating that in 1969, Polanski was seen fondling and hitting on a young model at Elaine’s restaurant in New York City on his way to the funeral of his late wife Sharon Tate, who had been brutally slain by the Manson family.

One of the witnesses who testified on Polanski’s behalf was Mia Farrow, who, I’m told, remains friendly with the director to this day. I commend her for standing by her friend and going on record as a character witness. That’s what friends do.

In fact, her support of Polanski is so steadfast that when he won the Oscar for best director for his 2002 masterpiece, The Pianist, Mia never even suggested that the Motion Picture Academy showed contempt for all abuse survivors in so honoring him. But then again, those were the days before Twitter.

Dylan Farrow Is Telling the Truth as She Believes It, But Is It the Truth as It Happened?

Dylan’s story is as riveting as it is disturbing, but the fact is we’ll never know whether the events she recalls as searing memories really happened in the way she describes. This isn’t a case of “attacking the victim,” and to argue in good faith doesn’t make someone a monster or a child sex abuse apologist; it makes him or her a realist who accepts that the family politics at play in the Woody/Mia custody battle which was ripping their family apart in 1992 were so brutal and ugly that unless there’s evidence to back up that claim, every claim deserves to be questioned.

Yes, Woody Allen began dating Mia Farrow’s adopted daughter, Soon-Yi Previn, when she was approximately 19 years old and maybe you think that’s creepy. But the fact remains that it was completely legal. Contrary to popular belief among people who are sure they know everything about this case and are therefore qualified to rage about it on Twitter, Soon-Yi was not Woody’s daughter; Woody and Mia were never married nor did they even live together. What can’t be denied is that when the relationship between Woody and Soon-Yi was revealed, it detonated a nuclear bomb in the middle of Woody and Mia’s family and she was understandably furious about it. The members of that family then took sides and the battle lines have, for the most part, remained stable.

There have occasionally been breaks in ranks, though, now that years have passed. Although he initially decried the relationship between Woody and Soon-Yi, Woody and Mia’s adopted son Moses Farrow, who went on to become a family therapist, now thinks that Mia brainwashed his seven-year-old sister into believing she was assaulted. And before you dismiss this possibility, you should at least be willing to read the facts of the case, the opinions of those who followed the developments in the relationship closely throughout the years, and those who’ve spent a lifetime doing experiments with memory implantation.

Elizabeth Loftus is a psychologist and researcher at UC Irvine, and she’s spent most of her career studying the power of suggestion, even self-suggestion, on our memories and what she’s found is both fascinating and really not the least bit surprising. Basically, especially at a young age, we’re highly susceptible to suggestion and memory manipulation, particularly by people we trust and wish to please, and the kind of story Dylan Farrow is telling isn’t unusual during the total warfare of a custody battle, especially one as public as Woody and Mia’s and concerning someone as volatile and demanding as Mia Farrow and with the mercurial and neurotic reputation of Woody Allen.

Here’s what it comes down to: There are only two people who know what really happened between Woody Allen and Dylan Farrow. The former has consistently proclaimed his innocence and tells one story; the latter continues to tell another, much more harrowing story. The facts of the case have always favored Woody, from doctors saying that Dylan was inconsistent in her detailing of what happened 21 years ago and that her story had a rehearsed feel to it, to the actual amount of time witnesses say Woody was alone with Dylan at Mia Farrow’s home in Bridgewater, Connecticut on August 4th, 1992, a date which fell right in the middle of Woody and Mia’s vicious custody battle and a place where he was surrounded by people who didn’t much like him. He passed a lie detector test.

He married Soon-Yi and they’ve been together for 17 years and now have a family of their own and there have been no other accusations of any impropriety from anyone. Dylan, meanwhile, sticks by her own version of events, and they may very well be true. Or, as difficult as it may be to accept, they could also be the product of severe manipulation at a very young age. Unfortunately, we’ll never know for sure.

So what this all means for the social media mob is simply whom you choose to believe: which side will confirm your already tightly held biases, fit your cultural ideology, potentially provide a rallying cry in a cause for which you advocate, or just help you sleep at night. Like the battle lines drawn two decades ago between Woody and Mia, the battle lines on Twitter are now drawn between those who’ve gathered behind the banner of Dylan Farrow’s column, which tells an indeed shocking personal story, or behind the banner of the Daily Beast article by Robert Weide, which lays out in detail the facts of Woody’s relationship with Soon-Yi, motivations of Mia Farrow, and details of the case. It’s a case that was decided two decades ago and which was only reignited, coincidentally, by Mia and Ronan Farrow’s questionable shots across Twitter the night of the Golden Globes.

Understand something: I don’t think there’s an ounce of subterfuge in Dylan Farrow’s decision to write the open letter she did or to make the claim she did 21 years ago. I don’t think she’s doing it to blackmail anyone or to bring fame upon herself. Other than the malice she has for Woody Allen, I don’t think there’s any malice in her words at all.

I believe that Dylan believes she was sexually assaulted by her adoptive father. I also understand that there are those out there for whom this case is a cause célèbre because, indeed, there are plenty of women and kids who’ve been abused who are put in a position of no one believing them because there isn’t enough physical evidence to back up their claim. These people argue in favor of Dylan from a place of emotion and as a show of solidarity, and maybe they should. But in this particular case, there’s simply too much bad blood and destructive family politics at play and too little proof to light the torches and raise the pitchforks, demanding that Woody Allen be tried in court or, screw it, just thrown in jail 21 years after the fact.

None of this is Dylan Farrow’s fault. I have no idea what really happened to her and neither do you. But she’s a victim and a survivor either way.

I don't think she is a good guy.

Soon Yi saw what she needed and took it. Why wouldn't she...unless she hadbsomevserious morals. If she knewcextremevpoverty as a child, she would look for safety away from poverty.

Is OP the Ryan O'Neal troll with a new obsession?

what falls away is an excellent memoir, very interesting.

There's no doubt in my mind Mia has fostered a very bitter atmosphere and enlisted her children to speak out against Woody in unhealthy ways. That makes getting at the truth difficult.

For example in Mia's book, she writes quite a bit about Moses, Mia had adopted Moses and then when she got together with Woody he and Moses bonded and so he adopted Moses as well. He was older, I think a teenager when the whole scandal went down. Anyway, Mia was constant in the stories in her book about how Woody was uninterested in Moses, they didn't get along, when Moses visited Woody on the set because he was interested in film it was boring and he had a bad time, etc.

Why Mia let Woody adopt Moses if according to her Woody was completely uninterested as a dad.

Woody Allen defends himself on 60 Minutes in '92

R9, only one of them has a close family member convicted of child sexual abuse. Mia's lies about sexual abuse run in the family-

I never believed Dylan or Ma. I knew Ma was ducked up, for many years. You should never trust a child collector.

People who believe everything Mia Farrow says are scary. OP is totally correct and the title of this thread is spot on. Judging by what her son says Mia Farrow is a deeply damaged individual who got some twisted pleasure from pretty much torturing her kids. Maybe it was all about her being too overwhelmed about playing a mother to a big bunch of kids but I take a wild guess and assume she's got a personality disorder. Or is just messed up other way.

Ronan has unfortunately lost much of his credibility by siding with her. It's unfortunate he's using the status he's achieved with hard work to spew the hate his mother brainwashed him with.

To all the Farrow-defending fraus: Imagine helping your close friend by giving her a place to stay. Behind your back she starts fucking your husband and haves his child. This is exactly what Mia Farrow did and yet you only blame Woody Allen for starting a relationship with her girlfriend's adult daughter. Yes it's icky in many ways but they were both adults. Adults who knew what a manipulative cunt Mia Farrow was and is. I actually don't have any trouble understanding why Soon-Yi felt no obligation to stay with her mom and rather went with Woody. Mommie dearest, indeed.

Andre Previn completely disowned Soon Yi after the affair came out. I suppose loyalty to his ex wife was more important than loyalty to his daughter. Very telling. Soon yi was better off without Farrow or Previn. I suspect that she was wise to escape, given the fates and mental dysfunction of Farrows other children.

You only need to know how batshit crazy Mia is by her unwavering support of her friend the actual, proven child rapist Roman Polanski. How come I don't hear Ronan go after his saintly mother for this sort of pathological reasoning.

I think that Charlize Theron is going to be the new Mia Farrow, with a brood of damaged and disturbed children. There is something cold and cruel behind her eyes.

Mia's absolutely insane and the clots of cunts and cunt-adjacent ponies screaming about Allen being a pedophile all need something sharp swiped across their nipples.

They'd like that.

If Dylan is a Survivor Who Must he Heard, then why isn't her brother? There is a selective compassion among many of these abuse activists.

If I was Soon-Yi I would have called the cops on her when beat the crap out of her with a telephone

It is assault, plain and simple. It is shocking how some on DL defend Mia for this assault asking "How would you feel if your boyfriend was sleeping with your daughter"

Girlfriend, this happens on the Soaps all the time!

Youre confused. Soon Yi was raised with Allen as a father figure, she was underaged when this began and presumably groomed by Allen for sexual exploitation.

[quote] Youre confused. Soon Yi was raised with Allen as a father figure, she was underaged when this began and presumably groomed by Allen for sexual exploitation.

Actually if you read any of the Bios on Woody Allen, he barely had any contact with the kids.

R41 Wrong.

As far as Woody grooming Soon-Yi goes,According to Mia and Soon-Yi herslef, she barely interacted with him as a kid because He didn’t live in the house. He had his own place and came over to visit.

She said they only started spending time together after Mia told him to. She was already in college at that point.

Getting with her daughter was weird and fucked up, but not illegal, or indicative of being a pedo. College age person is different than a pre-pubescent child.

he had enough contact to groom an underaged woman for sex.

I find it funny that the same people always going on about white privilege automatically discount the abuse allegations made by Farrows Asian son and the disproportionate level of problems among her non white adopted kids. In other words, the two blond kids honesty is unassailable unlike those shifty foreigners . I do think there is an ethnic aspect to how this is covered. I see a lot of hate filled comments about Soon Yi online but let's be real if she were blond haired blue eyed everyone would be going on about how she was an innocent brain washed victim. I don't think Soon is a victim, she seems to be doing OK, but there is a double standard still present in American culture. You can even see it in the way that the media is laser focused on stories of upper middle class or suburban wasp women being victimized, while ignoring even more vulnerable populations.

Yes. She turned 21 and suddenly the relationship began. Out of the blue. All very , very legal and not inappropriate at all.

[quote]Youre confused. Soon Yi was raised with Allen as a father figure, she was underaged when this began and presumably groomed by Allen for sexual exploitation.

You're the confused one. You should read all posts in this thread to see what was going. Obviously none of us can be totally sure what happened but I'd much rather believe Moses and Soon-Yi than Mia Farrow.

Mia Farrow was married to Andre Previn. His ex wife was Dory Previn. She wrote these two songs many years before the 1992 alleged molestation. Sounds familiar?

With My Daddy In The Attic

With my daddy in the attic With my daddy in the attic That is where My being wants to bed

Dory Previn – With My Daddy In The Attic Lyrics | Genius Lyrics

Mama Mama Comfort Me

Mama mama comfort me You're the loving one Daddy bought me Electric trains

Dory Previn – Mama Mama Comfort Me Lyrics | Genius Lyrics

When combing through the wide variety of evidence in the debate over the allegation by Dylan Farrow that her father, Woody Allen, molested her when she was 7-years-old, Allen’s defenders point to a curious instance of circumstantial evidence — the fact that song lyrics written by the ex-wife of Mia Farrow’s second husband strangely parallel the allegations that Dylan would make against Allen years later.

An exploration of Dory Previn’s songwriting after the breakup of her marriage offers compelling evidence that Farrow was not only intimately familiar with Dory Previn’s songs, but that they eventually served as Farrow’s inspiration years later to concoct false charges of abuse against Woody Allen in revenge for having his own affair that Mia found herself on the losing end of, exacting its own emotional toll much like the one she inflicted on Dory Previn.

[quote] he had enough contact to groom an underaged woman for sex.

Woody was the originally "Social Isolating" person as he had to be at least a meter away from people

I read the fucking memoir, not just these posts on a fucking anonymous message board.

Mia tried very hard to prove that Soon-Yi and Woody got together when she was still a minor - so Woody could go to jail

But she never could prove it.

r49, you made me laugh.

R52 Woody is very germaphobic

"People who believe everything Mia Farrow says are scary. OP is totally correct and the title of this thread is spot on. "

You're dumb as a box of hair, as all Woody lovers are.

"Obviously none of us can be totally sure what happened but I'd much rather believe Moses and Soon-Yi than Mia Farrow."

Moses and Soon-Yi are profoundly fucked up people. Nothing they say has any credibility.

[quote] You're dumb as a box of hair, as all Woody lovers are.

Mia Farrow fought to terminate Woody parental rights, but still demanded FULL child support for all three kids he was a parent to.

[quote]R41 Soon Yi was raised with Allen as a father figure, she was underaged when this began and presumably groomed by Allen for sexual exploitation.

He also promised to get her into modeling...by taking nude pics with her legs spread.

Surely this [italic]unconventional[/italic] approach was JUST Eileen Ford’s cup of tea, but Mia Farrow found them, instead.

[quote] You're dumb as a box of hair, as all Woody lovers are.

[quote] Moses and Soon-Yi are profoundly fucked up people. Nothing they say has any credibility.

In these Allen/Farrow we always have people who are extremely passionate about defending Farrow. Someone's unhealthily obsessed about the case or Farrow has hired people to badmouth Allen and Soon-Yi.

I remember being puzzled in her memoir about her constant pushing the children on Woody. Something to the effect: "I thought he would more involved if he spent time with them".

If there is one thing that is NOT in dispute is that Mia white children (with the exception of Dylan) have turned out okay and leading productive lives

While the adoptive kids who are visible minorities (every single one of them) have has screwed up lives - ALL OF THEM.

AND they gave us coronavirus!

You don't have to think Allen is father of the year to realize that Mia was no picnic.

The only thing I've been able to understand for certain, is that the Children were put through hell growing up. What that hell was, I don't think we'll ever know for sue.

"Child collector" -- that's a phrase I'll be adopting.

I don't believe she's his victim... I believe she's a victim of a scorned mom!!

In all the years of MJ there were lots of accusations and payoffs!! Where are Woody's??

There has been an insane amount of pro Farrow bias in the media and the immediate haranguing of anyone who even slightly deviates from the accepted narrative. It was astonishing how so many attacked the author of an interview with Soon yi in new york magazine, her only interview in years. Supposedly the author was biased because they knew Allen. And yet nobody said a word about Mia Farrow getting her friend in the New York Times to publish Dylan's op Ed. Or all the times Ronan goes off on Allen on social media.

Woody Allen Feels 'Overwhelming Sadness' at False Allegations, Says Attorney

Woody Allen's attorney forcefully denied decades-old molestation allegations against the director Tuesday, but refused to blame Dylan Farrow for making them – saying she was coached as a child by her mother, Mia Farrow, to believe she had been sexually abused.

"His reaction is one of overwhelming sadness because of what has happened to Dylan," Elkan Abramowitz told NBC's Today show when asked how Allen, 78, reacted to his onetime adopted daughter's open letter in The New York Times claiming he abused her.

"She was a pawn in a huge fight between him and Mia Farrow years ago, and the idea that she was molested was implanted in her by her mother," Abramowitz said. "That memory is never going to go away. So the fact that she says this now, that it happened 20 years ago, is totally understandable."

Asked why a grown woman would lie – Dylan is now 28, married and living in Florida under a different name – Abramowitz replied: "In my view, she's not lying. I think she truly believes this happened. That's what the vice of this is. When you implant a story in a fragile 7-year-old's mind, it stays there forever. It never goes away."

Abramowitz pointed to the investigation in the early '90s by Yale-New Haven Hospital that concluded no sexual abuse had taken place.

Asked if Allen wants to press legal charges himself, Abramowitz replied: "Woody Allen is not interested in suing anybody for defamation. He was determined not to have molested his daughter 20 years ago. The case is over. There is no case. The fact that it is being brought up now is suspect. The timing is suspect."

Pressed on that last statement, Abramowitz said of the allegations and their timing: "I think that it's a continuation of Mia Farrow's desire to hurt Woody Allen. And Woody Allen is now riding fairly high. He got the Golden Globe Award for lifetime achievement, which he totally deserved. And I believe it revived the anger that she has toward him."

Of course, Mia Farrow is fucked up. No normal woman would be with a man like Woody Allen. Just remember that Woody Allen believes his friend Bill Cosby is being "railroaded". That pretty much tells you all you need to know.

[quote]Is OP the Ryan O'Neal troll with a new obsession?

He's working his way through the cast of Peyton Place. Look out Miss Barbara Parkins, you're next!

Someone should write a musical based on the Farrow vs Allen drama. There's so much material to mine. It could have song and dance numbers such as Right By The Train Set, Soon Yi's lament, I Am A Famous Newsboy Now (Ronans Song), You're Cancelled Forever, and a 20 minute soliloquy of Mia ranting to herself.

Mia is no saint herself. She helped break up André Previn's marriage and had a couple of kids by him. Has she ever heard of payback?

I think Mia Farrow is a very disturbed woman. The whole thing is a mess, all dusted up and reignited because Farrow can not let any of it go. She has done irreparable damage to her daughter and now has Ronan to participate in the public battle.

It's too bad. She did some of her best work in his films. At least those still stand.

OP is one of the Markle hating lunatics, by the way.

This is the kind of spammy frau shit we get on Datalounge because no one will just outright ban those threads and get rid of the racist Daily Mail ladies like they should.

[quote]nobody said a word about Mia Farrow getting her friend in the New York Times to publish Dylan's op Ed.

Plenty of people (like you) said plenty about that, and about her friend interviewing her for Vanity Fair.

[quote]Or all the times Ronan goes off on Allen on social media.

Yeah, I don't know why you crazy ladies cry so hard over tweets, but it's not like Allen hasn't used the media, PR and the occasional paid blog post to defend himself. He can also use social media like his defender Moses does. They all can. Stop being such a fucking whiner, god damn.

The strikes against Mia are 1) She never notified the authorities after Dylan's allegation, 2) She spent at least a day alone with Dylan, interviewing her and recording her on video "in fits and starts" before taking the girl to a doctor, or any other independent authority, that could listen to Dylan's unprompted story alone and without influence from any of the adults involved, 3) the timing of the allegation, coming (by Mia's own admission) the next day after she and Woody had a big argument and he left in anger, and the day before she and Woody were to sign a financial and custody agreement.

Woody Allen and Mia Farrow...neither one of the are exemplary human beings. But looking at the actions of both of them I would say Mia Farrow comes off looking a lot better than him. He seems like the most narcissistic, self-centered, self-serving prick in the world, a real piece of shit.

Doesn't make him a child molester, does it?

Woody recreated almost word for word Mia reaction to her finding out about the affair in the film Deconstructing Harry with Kirstie Alley playing Mia and Woody having an affair with her patient instead of the daughter - watch

Mia's excuse as to why she never wanted to pursue criminal charges was that Dylan was fragile and she didn't want her to have to relive the experience through the press - why now would Mia want to prompt Dylan to break her own privacy (which she struggled to attain for a long time) to try her story in the court of public opinion? If Dylan wants some sort of closure or a public reckoning against Woody, she has the option to try and bring criminal charges or even a civil lawsuit, that would actually have consequences.

Just like I don't understand how Mia's reaction to a nanny calling to tell her she witnessed molestation would be to literally pick up a video camera after putting the phone down. Or later calling Woody's therapist, WTF? My first call would be to the cops and my accused ex's therapist wold be...well, nowhere on the list. And no way in hell would I delay taking my kid to the doctor because I wanted to quiz her on camera first.

Mia she was raised as Hollywood royalty and has that sense of entitlement and black and white thinking. If you only read Mia's book, you would never know she had an affair with Andre Previn when he was married. It's portrayed as a totally spontaneous love affair between two artists and then Mia got pregnant and they decided to get married. The only mention of his wife is an old letter from the time, reprinted in the book, that Mia wanted to get married on a certain date but they couldn't because Dory Previn wouldn't grant the divorce yet. Aside from that, it's like Mia literally blinked Dory Previn out of existence. It's not like Mia should flog herself over the affair or anything, but it's weird that there's not even any passing mention of regret or any acknowledgement at how she and Andre got together.

Or the Roman Polanski thing. The book was published in 1997 and long after Roman Polanski's rape case, yet Mia writes incredibly fondly about Roman and their friendship. She never once mentions the rape charges against him, how she felt about it (not even if she doesn't know what to think about it), if she ever still talks to Roman, etc. It's one of several points that read like okay, Mia decided how something went down in her head, so that's how it went down, and no one in her life will contradict her.

Mia contracted polio as a child. She was separated from her family for months on end and marred by the experience. In her memoir she explains that experience was part of the reason she choose to adopt difficult to place children. You wrote her colored adopted children are fucked up, if you read the memoir you would know these children, including Soon Yi had physical and emotional challenges to overcome. How can you compare a woman being a "man stealer" to a middle aged man grooming a child raised as his adopted daughter for sex?

Moses Farrow is speaking out to defend Allen – and accuse their mother, Mia Farrow, of poisoning the children against their father.

"My mother drummed it into me to hate my father for tearing apart the family and sexually molesting my sister," Moses, tells PEOPLE in the magazine's new issue. "And I hated him for her for years. I see now that this was a vengeful way to pay him back for falling in love with Soon-Yi."

"Of course Woody did not molest my sister," says Moses, who is estranged from Farrow and many of his siblings and is close to Allen and Soon-Yi. "She loved him and looked forward to seeing him when he would visit. She never hid from him until our mother succeeded in creating the atmosphere of fear and hate towards him.

The day in question, there were six or seven of us in the house. We were all in public rooms and no one, not my father or sister, was off in any private spaces. My mother was conveniently out shopping. I don’t know if my sister really believes she was molested or is trying to please her mother. Pleasing my mother was very powerful motivation because to be on her wrong side was horrible."

Moses accuses Farrow of bullying him as well. "Our mother has misled the public into believing it was a happy household of both biological and adopted children," he says. "From an early age, my mother demanded obedience and I was often hit as a child. She went into unbridled rages if we angered her, which was intimidating at the very least and often horrifying, leaving us not knowing what she would do.

Moses, a family therapist, says that his own life has been made better by spending time with Allen.

"I think my sister is missing a great deal in life in not reconnecting with her father, who had always adored her," he says. "It’s important that she assert her independence from our mother and not go through life with the false impression that she has been molested by my father. I am very happy I have come into my own power, separating from my mother, which has led to a positive reunion with my father."

"Doesn't make him a child molester, does it?"

Wouldn't surprise me a bit if he was. I think he's very capable of molesting a child. In all likelihood, he did stick his finger in his adopted daughter's little coochie.

"I think my sister is missing a great deal in life in not reconnecting with her father, who had always adored her," he says. "It’s important that she assert her independence from our mother and not go through life with the false impression that she has been molested by my father. I am very happy I have come into my own power, separating from my mother, which has led to a positive reunion with my father."

Moses sounds...brainwashed.

I read Mia Farrow's book a long time ago. What I remember is that, even after Woody started doing objectionable things, Mia still was interested in starring in his movies. I did not respect Mia, as a mother, after reading that book. On top of everything, it sounded like Woody was paying Mia bottom dollar for her work as an actress.

They (Mia and Woody) are both reprehensible, in their own ways.

We shall see what Angelina Jolie's and Brad Pitt's children have to say when they are grown up.

All adopted children are trouble! They're all lying vermin.

Mia Farrow is a class act.

Woody Allen and that opportunistic refugee...not so much.

Yes R86. If you define "class" as mentally and emotionally unstable.

I feel worse for Mia's disabled children and the way she treated them then I ever have for Dylan. Everyone insists that sex abuse accusers are constantly silenced but they're really not in this day and age. The police and prosecutors investigated the allegations and felt Dylan had been coached. That's why Allen wasn't prosecuted. The victims that no one cares about are Farrows adopted kids while everyone dotes on Dylan.

My take and that of my friends from that time was simple--

1 - For some reason, Soon-Yi had a deep resentment to Mia and the maternal bond between the two was never established.

2 - After Mia's ill-considered suggestion of basketball outings, Soon-Yi let Allen know she was available to him in some way.

3 - To Allen, who loved teenagers and loved family drama, this was heaven sent.

4 - After a while, Allen, not the warmest person in the world, looked to move on. But Soon-Yi had the Polaroids and left them where Mia found them. An contemporaneous account of what happened indicated Allen was blind-sided and did everything possible to explain away the picture AND calm Mia down. However, Mia made the call that changed everything.

5 - Mia called Andre Previn, Soon-Yi's father. At this point, it was out in the open and could not reasonably be controlled b/c Previn took a very dim view of Allen and Soon-Yi's behavior. At this point, it became a tit-for-tat quarrel and it's impossible for us to know what is true.

6 - Mia rushed to her apartment and had a semi-violent dispute with Soon-Yi. The latter cried, but didn't apologize, did not mention she had been seduced and left. She showed up at Allen's doorstep.

7 - Allen had no choice to but to take her in. Declaring her the love of his life was his only face-saving measure. He took many years before marrying her and the relationship became a comfortable during that time.

8 - They adopted two girls, IMO, because Allen had a vasectomy - either right away or much earlier. (Would you trust Soon-Yi to take birth control after what happened?)

Ronan, who even at age 4 disliked Allen and was in therapy over the issue, is a man on mission. Most likely, he is Allen's son. He has changed his appearance to emphasize his resemblance to Sinatra, but looks just like Mia's father without the "work"

Taking away Mom's boyfriend and livelihood is the stuff of legend and fantasy for young women. Especially, with all the benefits to attached to this specific transaction.

Id believe Mia over Woody and Soonyi any day.

Mia Farrow is crackers. Always has been.

Woody Allen is a creep for starting a relationship with his girlfriend's daughter.

He never molested Dylan.

This never ending drama is just that...well, Woody will die soonish then we'll get a last hurrah of "YAY! The monster is dead!" pieces then it will fade away but Mia won't like that and she'll keep rehashing it until she she too kicks the bucket. Though I'm sure Dylan will try to get mileage out of it until she's dead, so basically another 50 years of this nonsense.

Out of curiosity I glanced at Dylan's twitter. Every single post for 2 years has related to Woody Allen, with maybe 2 exceptions.

In this suddenly frightening world, where everyday the new seems worse than before it's nice to at least have one unwavering constant to depend on-MIA IS BITCH!

[quote] Woody Allen and Mia Farrow...neither one of the are exemplary human beings. But looking at the actions of both of them I would say Mia Farrow comes off looking a lot better than him. He seems like the most narcissistic, self-centered, self-serving prick in the world, a real piece of shit.

Anyone who says that is totally disregarding anything Moses and Soon-Yi have said about growing up in Mia Farrow's household. Woody Allen wasn't mentally and physically abusing kids for years and planting fake memories in their head. So no, Farrow most certainly doesn't come off looking better than Allen.

[quote] How can you compare a woman being a "man stealer" to a middle aged man grooming a child raised as his adopted daughter for sex?

Are you dim or just deliberately spreading lies? Soon-Yi was never Allen's adopted daughter and she wasn't raised as one. Neither was Allen grooming anyone.

I suspect fraus are so bent out of shape about Allen and Soon-Yi's affair because they are unconsciously terrified of their own husbands lusting after A) younger women or B) their own daughters. Never mind the reality let's just tear that man apart because it could happen to me!

[quote] Moses sounds...brainwashed.

Someone's adopted Trump's tactics. Accuse others of doing what you're guilty of yourself.

R70 [italic]Mia's Turn[/italic]: "Here she is, kids! Here she is, New Yawk! Here's Mia!"

When Mia split with Frank, why did she move in with the Previns? She had enough money to get her own place.

Mia stole Dory Previn’s husband away from her in a cold-blooded fashion and showed zero empathy towards her in the aftermath (Previn suffered a mental breakdown.) To this day Mia has never shown any remorse. I’m not claiming Soon-Yi is a little angel, but why should we feel bad about Mia?

If we believe People, Mia's marriage to Previn ended because she was shtupping the cinematographer Sven Nykvist. It's also interesting how her own mother talks openly about Mia's obvious bi-polar disorder:

"Large families are de rigueur to Mia. She is the third of seven born to the late producer-director John Farrow and actress Maureen O’Sullivan, best known as Johnny Weissmuller’s Jane in the Tarzan movies. “Mia was always very strong-willed,” remembers her mother. “When she was in a bad mood, we’d call that side of her personality ‘Mildred.’ Once, when we were on a boat going somewhere, I said: ‘Let’s throw Mildred overboard.’ Mildred drowned, but the stubbornness remained.”

R20 I beg your pardon but I was one of the first Hollywood celebrities to collect children decades before Mia Farrow.

Who sounds like a frau?

The bitches calling Mia a "man stealer"?

Unbelievable.

Woody who as been unapologetic about lusting after young girls and was good buddies with convicted sex offender, Jeffrey Epstein.

The evil here is woody Allen. Soonyi was just a kid. Like Dylan. What mother wouldn’t be outraged. Wait. Don’t answer that DL. This is a celebrity gossip site for people who have no offspring.

I don't think Woody is the bad guy. It seems fairly obvious that Mia is not stable. Woody should have never had children either but Mia ? She is nuts. Woody has no morals but if SoonYi hates Mia, I can understand it.

I feel much worse for the abused adopted kids. I’m tired of so much ado made of being diddled once and being a “survivor.” Rich people problems. Some kids have actually been raped as small children on a regular basis.

[quote]The evil here is woody Allen. Soonyi was just a kid. Like Dylan. What mother wouldn’t be outraged. Wait. Don’t answer that DL. This is a celebrity gossip site for people who have no offspring.

Wikipedia: "A judicial investigation concluded that Woody Allen and Soon Yi started their sexual relationship in December 1991."

Soon-Yi is thought to be born in 1970 making her 21 when they started the affair. Not exactly a kid. Dylan however was a small kid when her mother brainwashed her to lie about being sexually abused. It's amazing how readily people believe Mia Farrow when various childcare professionals have said that Dylan was not abused and was most probably coached by her mother to lie about the abuse. Obviously that's not enough for the bloodthirsty Datalounge fraus who'd rather believe a totally wacko Hollywood actress famous for fucking around and being untrustworthy than childcare professionals.

I believe nearly every Me Too Movement female victim out there- And I am glad that women have a voice and that this victimization, degradation, and demoralization of women has been exposed and is being dealt with.

However.. I do not believe Mia's story. Or the daughter's or Ronan's..

I like Mia, for the most part. But to me, this was a woman betrayed who went SCORCHED EARTH on the man who betrayed her. She literally did not care and was out to destroy the guy- no matter what.. She is a touch crazy and the epitome of a woman scorned.

Is Woody weird? Fuck yeah. Is fucking your wive's/companions adopted daughter weird and disturbing? YEAH.

But based on what has come out over the last 2 decades, Moses's story, ect- I simply do not believe Mia. She sounds absolutely emotionally abusive and a touch sociopathic herself.

A woman betrayed. Can't say I even blame her. But it just rings false to me.

Odd family. And quite a tragic one when you look at what became of them.

R108, considering Woody Allen apparently didn't spend even one night at Mia Farrow's apartment during their relationship I'd say their relationship was never that deep to begin with. Or it sounds like it didn't mean that much to Allen. I assume for Farrow it was largely a business relationship since she kept wanting to act in his movies even after the abuse claims. It sounds like the reason she got so furious about Soon-Yi and Allen was because it damaged her reputation, not because she was so deeply in love with Allen, but that's obviously just my opinion.

If Mia didn't want anything to do with Woody, she should have REFUSED any of his child support money (which was in the MILLIONS) - but she did. While at the same time trying to bar Woody from having any type of visitation.

If Ronan says he doesn't have a father, then he should return all the money Woody paid for his Ivy league education.

Actions speak louder than words (which is all Mia, Dylan and Ronan seem to do - talk out of both sides of their mouths)

Who will play Mia in the Mommie Dearest movie?

Will it be called Mama Mia?

And will they change the name of the housekeeper to Carol-Anne to protect the innocent?

R45 [quote]I don't think Soon is a victim, she seems to be doing OK, but there is a double standard still present in American culture. You can even see it in the way that the media is laser focused on stories of upper middle class or suburban wasp women being victimized, while ignoring even more vulnerable populations.

R60 [quote]if there is one thing that is NOT in dispute is that Mia white children (with the exception of Dylan) have turned out okay and leading productive lives. While the adoptive kids who are visible minorities (every single one of them) have has screwed up lives - ALL OF THEM.

You race baiting troll. You totally overlook the fact that those children were raised by crazy Mia much later in their childhood than Dylan and Ronan were, but you saw an opportunity to air your racial grievances in a totally unrelated thread and took it. POC are revered in our media today. You know that, and you also knew that you'd get likes for being woke and politically correct. It sounds like YOU are the racist one. Projection much?

[quote] You totally overlook the fact that those children were raised by crazy Mia much later in their childhood

All of them were under the age of 5 when Mia adopted them.

This was an obvious hit job by Mia Farrow and the thing is I bet a lot of people know it. The problem is nobody wants to expose Mia for coaching her daughter to say Allen touched her, not because they care so much about Mia or Dylan, but they’re protecting The Narrative. It’s the same reason why women who make false rape accusations don’t get heavy exposure. Doing so would then give people the right to question an accusation before parroting it back. And we can’t have that.

And one thing I’ve never agreed with is doing the busybody Mormon double standard thing when it comes to situations like this. Meaning: either he molested his daughter or he didn’t. I don’t give two fucks about him and Soon-Yi’s relationship, and we’re not going to act like one has anything to do with the other because most people who claim Woody Allen is a bad guy have nothing to say about Mia Farrow’s shortcomings outside of this incident.

[quote]If Mia didn't want anything to do with Woody, she should have REFUSED any of his child support money (which was in the MILLIONS) - but she did. While at the same time trying to bar Woody from having any type of visitation.

Oh, boo hoo. Woody benefited from having Mia as his girlfriend and co-star in his movies. She may have been poison but she wasn't box office poison. He chose to hook up with her and work with her for many years. They used each other and he took what he wanted, He's no poor, sad victim.

They were BORN developmentally challenged. And that's 4 years to develop trauma from their parents/fost care system that a newborn like Dylan or Ronan never had to endure. R113

Mia's a nutjob but Woody Allen is the one who's evil, OP.

R117 He’s evil based on what?

R116 according to your logic EVERY child that BORN developmentally challenged ends up with a screwed up adulthood, no matter how they are brought up.

"She may have been poison but she wasn't box office poison. He chose to hook up with her and work with her for many years."

R115 By the time Mia started working with Woody, she was all but forgotten. He revived her career when it was in a coma.

Even Mia admits in her book that she was the most envied actress in the world - and she also admits that she was not ambition to pursue work. Her once a year movie role in Woody's films was enough to satisfy her artistic cravings. She was more interested in her kids.

No R119, the chances of being born developmentally challenged and being raised in a traumatic foster care system during the crucial first years of your life AND growing up fucked are GREATLY enhanced if you live with Crazy Mia, who only made it all worse. Racism has got nothing to do with it. If you insist on being a racialist, then we can point to Isaiah, a black man who turned out fine. Enough with the racial opportunists. We've had sufficient.

[quote] growing up fucked are GREATLY enhanced if you live with Crazy Mia,

Which is the whole point - race has nothing to do with it. But it seems there is a difference between how Mia's biological kids turned out and how her adoptive kids turned out.

I don't think she's intrinsically evil. I think she's profoundly mentally ill, and her mental illness at times manifests itself in ways that appear patently evil.

I find most of the points defending Woody (on the charge of sexually abusing Dylan) and excoriating Mia to be very compelling, but there is one opposing point that does trouble me: the apparently factual statement that, prior to the molestation charge, Woody was undergoing counseling or therapy for having had an inappropriately close physical relationship with the very young Dylan. I would appreciate it if the OP or someone else could address this point.

[quote]Considering Woody Allen apparently didn't spend even one night at Mia Farrow's apartment during their relationship I'd say their relationship was never that deep to begin with. Or it sounds like it didn't mean that much to Allen. I assume for Farrow it was largely a business relationship since she kept wanting to act in his movies even after the abuse claims.

This is a very good point, and I'm not sure I've heard or read anyone else make it. I think almost everyone agrees that Woody's having entered into a romantic/sexual relationship with the adopted daughter of his girlfriend was a TERRIBLE idea for several reasons, but arguably at least a little less terrible if Woody and Mia's relationship was a business and artistic one rather than a romantic/sexual/loving one. The fact that maintained separate residences during their time together would seem to indicate the former more than the latter. (Also the fact that Woody supposedly never slept the night at Mia's place, but I guess that's not quite the same as saying they never had sex with each other.)

R123 Lol. You say that race had nothing to do with it and then in the same breath you say that race had something to do with it.

Two of Mia's five bio sons were raised by their father, so the adopted vs bio kid comparison doesn't work for them. Dylan was adopted at a month old, and is obviously not well, but of course that's blamed on Woody, who is no saint either. If you want to call Ronan Farrow "normal", be my guest, but evidence proves otherwise. Ronan is a disturbed individual. So when you really think about it, none of Mia's kids turned out that well-adjusted.

So yes, race has nothing to do with it. Mia is the common denominator, not the race of her children.

Do Moses and Ronan speak? Are they friends? Brothers?

Judging solely by the pic at OP, I find it hard to believe Big Time Frank was dicking her majorly. Surely he could have gotten a hotter piece of ass elsewhere.

[quote] Two of Mia's five bio sons were raised by their father,

Totally UNTRUE R126

[quote] Ronan is a disturbed individual.

Who has a Pulitzer Prize on his resume

I'm bothered that Ronan got Woody's book deal squashed.

The entire family is cray-cray. I do feel badly about the adopted children who died in tragic circumstances. I didn’t know that Mia became pregnant with Previn’s baby while she was living with him and his wife!! What a fucking hypocritIcal cunt she is. I also have to wonder what kind of relationship she had with her parents. Crazy isn’t created in a vacuum, you know.

R129 Andre and Mia had 3 sons. When they divorced, the twins stayed with Andre, and the third one went to go live with her. That's a FACT. Look it up, because I'm not going to do it for you.

R130 Accolades have nothing to do with your mental health. Lots of mentally/emotionally questionable people have accomplished great achievements. You could even say that it's dysfunction itself which propels great people. Anything to quiet that little voice in their head that tells them something is wrong, and to prove that they are, in fact, worthy of existence. Rarely do you see well-adjusted people with inner tranquility to match go for gold. Why? Because they're happy where they are. Here's another one: do you honestly believe that badmouthing your estranged father to thousands of internet followers is the hallmark of a normal psyche?

Woody was in psychoanalysis for 30 years. Kind of a red flag, there.

"He never molested Dylan."

You have no way of knowing that. I think he did, because he's obviously a very fucked up creep.

R135 And, to be fair, you also have no way of knowing that, either....

R136, I stated that I THINK he did it. You stated "He never molested Dylan", as though it were a fact. But you only BELIEVE he didn't do it, because you have a fondness for Woody Allen. A fondness for Woody Allen..yech!

Woody Allen has made some good movies, though not recently.

I'm not really #TeamWoody as much as I'm #TheFarrowsNeedToMoveOn

[quote] the twins stayed with Andre

Not according to Mia book - she claims she had full custody of the twins

It would have been IMPOSSIBLE for the twins to live with their father Andre Previn as he traveled all over the world as conductor, never staying in the same place for a period of time - a fact Mia brings up in her book as to why Andre was an "absentee" father.

Nice try. next time do your research.

I think Woody is one of those nerdy guys who doesn't think much about sex. He probably has some Jewish shame in that area. His hooking up with Soon-Yi was probably because he couldn't be bothered to think about dating anyone. She conveniently solved a problem. I don't think he even has the inclination to think about molesting a child. I think he's one of those people who is continually thinking and worrying, like the characters he has played, thinking about his next movie and worrying about what happens if he gets hit by a cab.

R140 kinda gets it. And he is incredibly dignified, all things considered- With his ex sicko wife and spoiled brat children (yup, Ronan) out to destroy him until the end of time..

I feel bad that I cannot even read his fucking book!

(Still like Mia- I kind of understand her thirst for revenge) but truly feel for this talented (and FUCKED UP) man..

Odd..

[quote]He probably has some Jewish shame in that area.

WTF are you blathering about? Where is sex shameful in Judaism?

"Where is sex shameful in Judaism?"

Have you read any of the Jewish writings? Leviticus for starters? Don't lie with a man as with a woman, etc.

Most religions have a certain amount of sex shame attached to them.

How about this as a reason not to marry your girlfriend's (Mia's) daughter (when you have children with your girlfriend):

You've turned all the daughter's (Soon Yi's) siblings into her step-children.

That may be the first step towards "I'm My Own Grandpa." That's enough reason to avoid that situation.

R143 Are you talking about homosexuality, now? Don't change the subject.

R144 Exactly. Incest and child molestation are the issues. And most child molesters are completely unrepentant and try to justify their actions. From Woody, himself...

[quote]“I’m open-minded about sex. I’m not above reproach; if anything, I’m below reproach. I mean, if I was caught in a love nest with 15 12-year-old girls tomorrow, people would think, yeah, I always knew that about him.” Allen pauses. “Nothing I could come up with would surprise anyone,” he ventures helplessly. “I admit to it all.”

[quote]The New Yorker television critic Emily Nussbaum also dug up a child-molestation joke, uncomfortably similar to the details alleged by Dylan Farrow, from the Allen play Honeymoon Hotel, in which an older man runs off with his son’s bride...

Woody Allen Is Not a Child Molester:

Woody Allen is not a child molester. The conclusion was made by two state agencies at the time of the alleged crime, and it’s obvious to anyone familiar with the details of what happened. There is no need to believe Dylan Farrow is a liar, however. She probably believes what she’s been told to believe since she was seven years old.

Nevertheless, the story that Dylan tells is almost impossible to believe. And yet Allen is being made a pariah for being a child molester. Oscar-winning actors Colin Firth, Mira Sorvino, Michael Caine (the latter two of whom won Oscars appearing in Allen’s films), and Timothée Chalamet (the star of Allen’s latest movie) have publicly distanced themselves from him or vowed never to work with him again, even though Firth and Chalamet and hundreds of other actors worked with Allen many years after the alleged child molestation, which supposedly took place in 1992 and was discussed in the press at the time.

Amazon Studios, which spent $80 million for Allen to develop his six-part TV show A Crisis in Six Scenes and $25 million on Allen’s latest film, A Rainy Day in New York, has refused to announce a release date for the latter. Reports say that Amazon may hold on to the movie forever or simply dump it unannounced on its streaming service. Amazon has three movies left on its five-picture deal with Allen, but none are under way. The last year in which no Allen movie was released in theaters was 1981.

Knowing what went on in Mia Farrow’s household, though, one can find it easier to believe that a distraught and hysterical mother steered her child to make a horrific charge in order to exact revenge for being dumped by her boyfriend. “Of course Woody did not molest my sister,” Moses Farrow told People magazine. “She loved him and looked forward to seeing him when he would visit. She never hid from him until our mother succeeded in creating the atmosphere of fear and hate towards him.”

Moses despised Allen for years, but today, a family therapist, he considers his earlier enmity a product of Farrow’s rages against her longtime romantic partner. “My mother drummed it into me to hate my father for tearing apart the family and sexually molesting my sister,” Moses told People. “And I hated him for her for years. I see now that this was a vengeful way to pay him back for falling in love with Soon-Yi.”

As Allen’s wife, Soon-Yi Previn, relates in an interview with Daphne Merkin published in New York magazine, her mother’s initial response when news of her affair with Allen broke was to label Soon-Yi “retarded” and to claim that Allen had raped her. These were vicious lies. Farrow, a family spokesperson concedes, told Allen that Soon-Yi was considering suicide. “I’d get these calls in the middle of the night, saying, ‘Soon-Yi is threatening to jump out of the window,’” he recalls. “And you know, Mia is an incredibly good actress, and I’m thinking, My God!” Soon-Yi says she was not suicidal.

The timeline and the details of the alleged molestation beggar belief. A critical detail not well publicized before Soon-Yi’s New York interview was that after Mia Farrow learned about the affair in January 1992 , she continued to try to rescue her relationship with Allen. The two made the film Husbands and Wives (1992) together after Farrow’s discovery, and Farrow was under the impression that her daughter and Allen had broken up when, in the summer of 1992, Soon-Yi went off to summer camp in Maine to work as a counselor. She was fired for taking phone calls from Allen and returned home, triggering a renewal of Mia Farrow’s wrath.

On August 1, reports Merkin, Mia called a psychologist named Susan Coates, described Allen as “satanic and evil,” and asked her to “find a way to stop him.” Three days later, the molestation of Dylan supposedly took place in Mia’s Connecticut house.

Moses, who was present, finds the accusation absurd. So do I. So should you. In “A Son Speaks Out,” Moses Farrow wrote in May this year:

Along with five kids, there were three adults in the house, all of whom had been told for months what a monster Woody was. None of us would have allowed Dylan to step away with Woody, even if he tried. . . . The narrative had to be changed since the only place for anyone to commit an act of depravity in private would have been in a small crawl space off my mother’s upstairs bedroom. By default, the attic became the scene of the alleged assault.

And what was the attic like? Moses calls it an “unfinished crawl space, under a steeply-angled gabled roof, with exposed nails and floorboards, billows of fiberglass insulation, filled with mousetraps and droppings and stinking of mothballs.” This is the place and time Woody Allen chose to embark upon the one and only act of child molestation of which he has ever been accused? In a 2014 New York Times op-ed, “Woody Allen Speaks Out,” Allen described it as “a tiny, cramped, enclosed spot where one can hardly stand up,” adding, “I’m a major claustrophobe. The one or two times [Mia] asked me to come in there to look at something, I did, but quickly had to run out.” Moses noted that there was no toy-train set in the attic, as Dylan would later claim, though there was one in his brothers’ room.

A nanny, Monica, quit the family rather than support Mia’s version of events, according to Moses, who says he witnessed part of the process of Mia Farrow taping a video interview with Dylan, stopping the tape constantly over the course of “two or three days” and badgering Dylan, who “appeared not to be interested.” He writes that “when another one of Dylan’s therapists, Dr. Nancy Schultz, criticized the making of the video, and questioned the legitimacy of the content, she, too, was fired immediately by Mia.”

Mia Farrow’s anger is understandable, but her response to it was unhinged. Keep in mind that losing Allen would for her be tantamount to losing her career; going back many years, her only major film roles had been in his productions. On Valentine’s Day of 1992, she sent Allen a collage in which, Merkin writes, “she’d pasted a family photo on a flower-encrusted, gilded heart and then stuck skewers through the hearts of the images of the children and a real knife through her own heart.” Allen’s sister Letty Aronson says Mia called to say, “‘He took my daughter, I’m going to take his.’” When Aronson said, “Don’t be ridiculous. [Dylan] loves Woody. A child should have a father,” Farrow replied, “I don’t care,” according to Aronson.

" And he is incredibly dignified, all things considered- With his ex sicko wife and spoiled brat children (yup, Ronan) out to destroy him until the end of time.."

"Dignified?!" HAHAHHAHAHA! What's dignified about constantly whining and bitching and trying to make yourself out like you're the unfairly maligned one when you're obviously an immoral sack of shit?

Both Soon-Yi and Moses claim their mother was abusive, sometimes physically so. Two of Farrow’s children committed suicide, Moses says. (In one instance, the death of daughter Tam, the official cause of death was heart failure at age 19, but he says that Tam died of an overdose of pills.) Another child died of AIDS-related causes, and the remaining children, including Ronan Farrow, swear by Mia.

Celebrity sleuths weighing Dylan Farrow’s recollections should understand that memories, no matter how deeply etched, are not necessarily reliable. Researchers have learned that it’s surprisingly easy to implant a false memory even in adults, never mind in one’s own, adoring seven-year-old child. Moses again: “I don’t know if my sister really believes she was molested or is trying to please her mother. Pleasing my mother was very powerful motivation because to be on her wrong side was horrible.”

Aha, Allen’s detractors inevitably say, but Soon-Yi herself was a child when the affair began! No. She was 21 and a college student. Nor was Allen ever her father or her stepfather or even a resident of the same building before their relationship began. Allen’s attraction to very young women is well-documented, but they were women. One of them, Stacey Nelkin, the apparent inspiration for the movie Manhattan, dated him when she was 17, the age of consent in New York, and said on CNN that during the custody fight over Dylan, someone from Mia Farrow’s camp tried to get her to testify falsely that she had been 15 at the time of the relationship with Allen. “I said no, because I was not 15. I was 17, 18, and 19, and to me there’s a big distinction,” she said. “And I think they were looking for the fact that, you know, 15 is jail bait. Seventeen is a very different story. And I would not go along with that.”

Nelkin remained friendly with Allen and hasn’t claimed he took advantage of her. Previn turned out to be the love of his life; divorced twice previously (though not from Mia Farrow, whom he never married), Allen has remained Soon-Yi’s partner for more than a quarter of a century, the last 20-plus years as her husband, and the pair have raised two adopted daughters who are now adults. As Allen keeps pointing out, after 50 years of filmmaking, none of the hundreds of actresses with whom he has worked have accused him of inappropriate behavior. Allen stands guilty of running away with his girlfriend’s daughter, of lusting after young women, and of making Whatever Works. But he is innocent of child molesting.

"Moses, who was present, finds the accusation absurd. So do I. So should you. "

Oh go fuck yourself, Woody lover. Moses is full of shit. So are you.

Anyone know why totally adult, not at all groomed, quite bright, abused by Mia not Woody, Soon Yi didn't testify on Woody's behalf during the custody trial?

If Allen was so innocent, why didn't he submit to a lie detector test?

Soon-Yi is not by any stretch "bright." In interviews she sounds rehearsed, which no doubt she is. This is from a good biography of Woody Allen, by Marion Meade, "The Unruly Life of Woody Allen":

It was not surprising that Soon-Yi's impoverished environment led what psychologists call "developmental delays." When she was in third grade, tests revealed she had minor learning disabilities, including trouble processing information as well as an IQ slightly below average. From grades six to twelve she needed tutoring. Her aunt, Tisa Farrow, would refer to her as having "a double digit IQ. It's not like she's s drooling idiot, but she's very naive and very immature." This picture was neither true nor fair. While not the dim bulb described by her aunt, she did not seem particularly bright compared to the others in the family. "She WAS a little slow," said a family friend, who points out that Soon-Yi received permission to take her SATS (Scholastic Aptitude Tests for college entrance) untimed, in a special test situation for learning disabled students. It took Soon-Yi twice as long , sometimes even longer, as other children to complete her homework, "but she worked damn hard", recalled her sister Daisy.

Whoever is posting the long monologues about Allen's innocence - You do realize most of us are not reading them. However, you have a job to do and can work from home. Good for you.

Woody Allen's marriage to Soon-Yi is a sham. I bet she is being paid a lot to keep her mouth quiet and really who can blame her. Like Mia, Dylan & Ronan Soon-Yi is one of the victims. Woody Allen is the one at fault.

This is ridiculous. Please contact a therapist .

"I bet she is being paid a lot to keep her mouth quiet"

A life of ease and security, Plus when Woody dies she gets to be the arbiter of all things Woody Allen. She will have control of his legacy.

Creepy photo of Allen clutching his adopted daughters.

You can't hug your own daughters anymore? Look where his hands are. He's taking no chances. And many teen girls dress this way now, so don't worry about the short shorts.

Why did Woody Allen and Soon-Yi adopt children? Soon-Yi sure as hell never seemed like a maternal type and it's been stated many times that Woody Allen doesn't even like children. My guess it that they did it to make their relationship seem more "normal" But it sure didn't. In every photo I've seen of those girls they look very uncomfortable and ill as ease. The photos of Allen embracing the girls are bizarre; none of them exhibit any warmth or affection towards each other.

Well, depending on the setting, a picture shows, at most, 1/60th of a second of someone's life. Not sure how much you can learn about anyone's life in that amount of time.

"Well, depending on the setting, a picture shows, at most, 1/60th of a second of someone's life. "

Oh, come on. There are photos that are very revealing about a person. It's obvious from the photos of Woody Allen and his adopted "daughters" that their relationship is not a healthy one.

I agree with R162. A picture can indeed be worth a thousand words.

"And he is incredibly dignified, all things considered- With his ex sicko wife and spoiled brat children (yup, Ronan) out to destroy him until the end of time.."

No one think of Woody Allen as 'dignified".

What I get from the photo of Allen and his daughters is that it looks incredibly staged. The girl on the left is about to giggle and the girl on the right is putting on a "grrr, get away from us, grr" face that isn't convincing.

I loathe Allen like nobody's business but I don't think the photo is pervy creepy, but rather inauthentic creepy.

Mia sounds like a violent loon.

How come her adopted children keep committing suicide? Hardly a rave review, huh?

"Mia Dearest" sounds about right.

Wow. Even Joan Crawford has a better track record than Mia. At least Crawford's kids didn't commit suicide or succumb to AIDS.

[quote] Oh, come on. There are photos that are very revealing about a person. It's obvious from the photos of Woody Allen and his adopted "daughters" that their relationship is not a healthy one.

You can make practically every photo of a man and a girl or girls look sinister if you put your mind to it. Mia Farrow's camp has clearly achieved their goal of destroying Allen's reputation when people are seeing abuse and rape in totally innocuous pics.

BTW, I'm glad Allen is getting his memoirs published and that Ronan Farrow's childish bitch fit didn't work as an extortion attempt. He's really such a vengeful little cunt. Like I said earlier the whole Allen witch hunt will come to haunt him later on in a major way and will end up destroying his credibility as a journalist. He must realize Mia is not well but he still keeps behaving like she's the victim and believes everything she says. There will most probably come a time when she finally goes too far and even Ronan will realize he's been played. Then again he's probably fully aware of the situation already which really says all you need to know about his credibility.

Everyone supporting Mia Farrow's spurned-woman campaign of hate and insanity = Krazy Krunchy Kunts

People judiciously disgusted by Allen's behavior but more disgusted by twats' faux-rage because he's a man = Human Beings

End of story. End of case.

R2 Dory Previn wrote thins song about Farrow fucking her husband.

R170 Isn't this one more on the mark?

R168 Unfortunately, Allen's memoir is dropped by its publisher.

Does anyone know what Mia’s parents, Actress Maureen O’Sullivan and director John Farrow were like? Some of her behavior had to have been influenced by her upbringing.

Whether or not Mia is egregious it doesn't make Woody any less egregious. It's not a zero-sum game. smh

Dylan Farrow is an author now.

"A stunning and timely debut from activist Dylan Farrow, Hush is a powerful feminist fantasy full of surprising insights, that casts a ray of light into the shadows of a society based on silencing and lies."

It's obviously ironic that silencing and lies are what the Farrows are doing with the whole Woody Allen thing. She's really turned the whole "I was abused!!!" into a career. No wonder the Farrows are so desperate to silence any criticism they get.

Jesus Christ Ladies. Just because she's a twisted cunt doesn't mean Woody Allen is suddenly pure as driven snow. They can BOTH be twisted cunts.

R177, no one is claiming Woody Allen is an angel but lying about him sticking a finger in her 7-year-old daughter's pussy is just vile. People now truly believe that really happened, and if they hear it really didn't they say, oh but he's still a creep. Which means they kinda still do believe it happened.

This is absolutely true, BUT it's also true that Woody being a neurotic creep doesn't for any reason mean that Mia is a mentally ill, morally bankrupt, vengeful monster. Yes, BOTH things can be true, and in this case, both ARE true.

So sorry, that was supposed to be: Woody being a neurotic creep doesn't for any reason mean that Mia isn't a mentally ill, morally bankrupt, vengeful monster.

"How come her adopted children keep committing suicide?"

She adopted several children with physical and mental disabilities. if their lives didn't turn out so well it kind of stands to reason. It's no fault of hers. She have them a privileged life.They were the ones who fucked it up.

R180, thanks for the clarification, I was scratching my head a bit here. Still, I've yet to really hear what's so terrible about Woody? Has he hurt people like Mia did? One might say Mia deserved the whole Soon-Yi drama. I assume Woody was aware what a monster she is and probably didn't give a shit about hurting her feelings. You can ask should Allen have done something to take the kids away from Farrow but as we've seen she's very good at destroying other people, and Allen, besides probably not really caring about becoming a single father, realized he'd lose the publicity game with a respected and well-loved actress. And that's exactly what has happened.

"Still, I've yet to really hear what's so terrible about Woody? Has he hurt people like Mia did? "

YES. He was banging his longtime companion's developmentaly disabled daughter. He took spilt beaver photos of the poor dimwitted girl. He claims the photos were for a"modeling portfolio" Soon-Yi was preparing, because she wanted to be a model. HER a model? HAHAHAHA! And then there is his adopted daughter's claims that he molested her, which seem very plausible in light of his immorality. And you say you've "yet to really hear what's so terrible about Woody?" You don't know much of anything about Woody Allen, do you?

Whatever Mia Farrow's flaws are they are nothing compared to Woody Allen's.

R183, dimwitted? Has she been declared by the state to be incapable of making her own decisions? Didn't think so. She was an adult when their affair began and their personal love life isn't really anyone else's business. We all might find it icky but it's their life, not yours, not mine.

This is all about a narcissistic control freak losing control over not one but two close people in her life. Hell hath no fury. And the pro-Farrow posts in this thread are all about a frau or two imagining the same happening to them and buying all of Mia Farrow's bullshit.

[quote] He was banging his longtime companion's developmentaly disabled daughter.

Soon-Yi has given interviews where she come off as poised and well spoken, insisting that she is no victim. She said she knew what she was doing.

"Dimwitted?"

I think it's rather dimwitted to let a repulsive old man take pictures of your spread open vagina.

[quote]pictures of your spread open vagina.

Has that been verified or is it something that was passed off as truth by the Farrow camp?

"Has that been verified or is it something that was passed off as truth by the Farrow camp?"

It's been verified that the photos Mia Farrow found were of Soon-Yi, naked, with her legs "spread apart." Of course she went ballistic. What mother wouldn't?

I was molested

So who was worse, Joan or Mia?

Mia!

For sheer numbers of children affected, probably Mia (was worse than Joan).

Joan was the worst. She tried to kill Christina, locked her away in a convent, deprived of even basic necessities like clothes and shoes. Definitely MUCH worse than Mia.

Joan's son also led a miserable existence. Christina even said her brother got it worse than her.

Though I've only heard about him being tied to his bed after repeatedly trying to run away and the Natalie Schafer story on youtube about the boy and a large box of chocolates.

It’s crazy that people will even start down the road of insulting Soon-Yi just to avoid having to entertain the idea that Mia coaches her daughter into saying Woody molested her. Soon-Yi is either too stupid to leave now, or she was just too stupid to know better when she got with him in the first place.

Also, I love the irony that white, blonde hair blue eyed Dylan and Ronan have all this credibility whereas Soon-Yi and Moses have talked about Mia being crazy but it’s neither here nor there.

At the end of the day either Woody did it or he didn’t. You don’t get swung for the fences and call a man a child molester then when it’s time to put up or shut up you default to childish insults as if there’s some consolation prize for passing moral judgments with no evidence.

"Also, I love the irony that white, blonde hair blue eyed Dylan and Ronan have all this credibility whereas Soon-Yi and Moses have talked about Mia being crazy but it’s neither here nor there."

Are you crying "RACISM?" If so, that's pretty stupid.

R196 It’s either racism or sexism. People resent Woody and Soon-Yi for moving on with their lives. There’s no compelling reason to believe Woody molested Dylan except for the residual resentment people have for Woody and Soon-Yi’s relationship.

[quote]Soon-Yi is either too stupid to leave now, or she was just too stupid to know better when she got with him in the first place.

Let's go over this once again for the slow amongst us.

Woody Allen - one of the most prolific filmmakers of the 20th Century. Huge catalog of films, nearly one per year. Also, old (85 years old) and unless he's drinking from the same cup as Olivia de Havilland, has not many years left.

Soon-Yi will become the keeper of Woody Allen's legacy. Want to do a Woody Allen Retrospective? Have to get permission from Widow Soon-Yi. Want to write a book and need some good quotes? Talk to the Widow Soon-Yi.

She got lucky. Woody was probably never interested in sex to begin with, so she doesn't have to do the nasty. They have enough money to have a housekeeper. All Soon-Yi has to do is wait for the Grim Reaper and then she controls Woody Allen's entire estate.

"People resent Woody and Soon-Yi for moving on with their lives. There’s no compelling reason to believe Woody molested Dylan except for the residual resentment people have for Woody and Soon-Yi’s relationship."

Oh bullshit. Nobody "resents" Woody Allen and his dimwit wife for "moving on with their lives." They're not resented at all; they're DISLIKED and they're disliked because horrible human beings; selfish, self-absorbed and totally unconcerned about anybody and anything except themselves. Actually, there IS a "compelling reason" to believe Woody Allen molested Dylan; his fixation on young girls, his immorality, his narcissism, his justification of his behavior with these words "the heart wants what it wants." And of course there's Dylan's testimony that she molested her; she's very credible. Ues. p;d Woody is a perv, alright.

R199 must be seething people are growing more and more tired of the Farrow bullshit factory.

Woody, vilifying your ex, again? Go to bed and don't forget to take your meds.

R193, Joan didn't stage an elaborate sexual abuse scenario, attempting (and partly succeeding) to ruin her ex-whatever's reputation while manipulating her "children" to the point of suicide, estrangement and drug addiction.

Only the last two.

Mia Farrow is one of the great con-job artists, spending a life attaching herself to men for validation while playing phony mommy-savior and suckering women all over the country and her deluded, corrupted son to do her dirty work for her.

She is a true monster.

Joan was a monster, too, but she wasn't a child hoarder in the extreme and her abuse wasn't as manipulative and soul destroying. Mia prefers her "children" dead or so weak that they can't escape her claws.

"She is a true monster."

Shut up Woody, you repulsive old perv.

Its Woody Allen that is the monster. Seducing his girlfriend's daughter (and we don't know what age this actually started). Also Soon-Yi is mentally challenged and that makes it even worse. Woody is a perv look at his friends Harvey, Jeffrey Epstein. Enough said.

Mia may be no saint but she appears to be a very generous and giving person. And probably naive.

Say what you want about Mia, but she has dedicated a great portion of her life to helping people. Adopted kids aside, she's spent the last 30 years investing her time in humanitarian causes, particularly in African countries, and, unlike so many celebrities, has actually put her time and money where her mouth is. I truly believe she cares about people. She is an old school Catholic, and has that old school Catholic impulse to serve others. I respect her for that, if nothing else.

[quote]She is a true monster.

[quote]It's Woody Allen that is the monster.

The recent posts in this thread feed my amazement at the fact that so many people apparently can't comprehend how it's possible that BOTH Woody Allen and Mia Farrow have exhibited horrendous, selfish, twisted behavior at various points in their lives. It's the sign of a simpleton to think that, if one of them is a monster (or whatever), that means the other one CANNOT be a monster as well.....that if one of then is in the wrong, that absolutely and without question means the other one HAS to be in the right. Really, how small does a person's brain capacity have to be for them to think that way?

R206 has misread much of what's here just so she could squawk like a cockatoo over the brilliant notion that EVERYONE IS BAD ALTOGETHER. In the process the cunt ignores the evidence and just splays her cooze in proud superiority.

Idiot. There is no comparison here, and your foul equivocations are precisely the GOP fascist game in action over pop culture scandals. Farrow is a liar, and Allen is a cheat. One has gone on with his life, and the other has killed children with her control and has dedicated her life to constant ruination of a foolish man's career, a man who has remained married to his wife while Farrow has squeezed the life out of people without another love interest ever seeking to approach her demented mania.

Now close your legs and shut up.

"Now close your legs and shut up."

Calm down, Woody! Have Soon-Yi make you a nice cup of cocoa and tuck you into bed.

R207 is just the kind of simpleton I'm talking about.

For what it's worth, my personal opinion is that Mia's behavior has been far worse than Woody's overall, I was just trying to make the point that both of them have done things that many people would consider pretty monstrous (or whatever word you want to use).

Also, I would like to make the point that, in my opinion, the worst proven instance of really bad behavior on Woody's part -- beginning a romantic/sexual relationship with Mia's adopted daughter -- has an equivalent on Mia's part, her having begun an affair with and eventually marrying the husband of one of her best friends.

And for those of you who say, "What Woody did is clearly much worse!", please factor in all of the details -- including that Woody and Mia were never officially married, Woody never adopted Soon-Yi, and apparently he and Soon-Yi never lived together in the same household and never even spent much time together before they began their affair. Also please considerthat Mia was so close with Dory Previn that she was actually LIVING with her and her husband, Andre Previn, when the Farrow-Previn affair began.

Have Woody and Mia been tested for corona yet?

[quote]Are you crying "RACISM?" If so, that's pretty stupid.

People like R195 will NEVER miss an opportunity to reduce a complicated, complex situation into racism. NEVER, I say!

The cunt at R209 (the familiar "I am always right and do not listen to anyone else" type on social media and the poor DL) is still insisting that somehow Farrow's insanity, libel and child abuse is equal to Allen's disgusting nastiness.

They're not. The former is a criminal. The latter is a pig. That is several levels of difference.

Now keep it up until that dry cough gives you something else to ego-out on, cunt.

Technically, you have to be convicted of a crime before you can be called a criminal.

213 I think that's called "innocent before proven guilty" or something like that.

R16 George W. Bush has an MBA from Harvard Business School. That proves that education does not equal intelligence.

OP IIRC Allen was in therapy for his behavior towards Dylan before his relationship with Soon-Yi came to light?

We tend to assume that the leftist people aren’t as dysfunctional as the right wing. Because Mia is involved in a lot of human rights stuff, we tend to think that she’s benevolent and caring in all aspects of her life. But remember, Martin Sheen was a leftist hippie too, and look at his son Charlie...the Reagans represented everything that was fucked up about Republicans, but Ron Jr. and Patti Reagan are pretty decent people.