Coronavirus Freakout 14: Quarantine of Solace

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Great title! I approve!

A TOP British surgeon who has tested positive for coronavirus may have infected hundreds of vulnerable patients as he failed to self-isolate after contracting the killer bug on holiday in Italy.

The senior surgeon at Liverpool’s Aintree University Hospital returned from a family skiing trip in northern Italy last week.

Other members of staff are now showing symptoms and being tested for the bug too - with at least two already in self-quarantine.

There are fears he could have infected hundreds as he usually treats up to 400 patients a week.

His wife, who was also believed to have been on the trip, works at the hospital as well.

The Infamous Lawyer from NY has certainly proved that ONE PERSON CAN INDEED MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE IN THE WORLD!

Our friend Boccaccio. Does he look like a DLer?

Coronavirus transmission in NYC could last until September, official says

Does anyone think a sauna or steam room would help?

I see that the previous thread is still open. Will someone close?

National Guard deployed to New Rochelle, NY. 1 mile containment zone aka LOCKDOWN.

London.

Managed to get to the supermarket last night - no loo paper left, very little dried spaghetti and no Paracetamol.

Went to another supermarket and pharmacy this morning and was able to get all that. There was a guy trying to restock the spaghetti section in the supermarket. I'm glad I have a bidet quite frankly.

Any news from Norway?

What we're seeing was predicted months ago by epidemiologists and anyone with a grade-eight understanding of infectious disease and exponents. Intelligent people, including many of us on DL, were rightfully concerned. Many regions of the world (and the US, once an adequate number of tests are deployed) are entering the "explosion" phase of the "case, case, case... cluster, cluster... BOOM" pattern that can be expected with exponential spread of highly contagious pathogens.

Does the "Nothingburger" guy from the Coronavirus Freakout Part 6 thread want to return and impart any more wisdom? Perhaps address us as "folks" again, while exposing himself as an ignorant know-it-all? Such people facilitate catastrophes like the one that is currently unfolding. Here's a special FUCK YOU to all of you idiots out there.

I agree R12. All the people STILL saying it's no worse than the flu and everyone needs to calm down need to shut the fuck up before their shitty false sense of security literally kills people. I've told my elderly parents to not leave the house unless it's an emergency until at least April.

The very conservative National Review (which is anti-Bernie and anti-Biden) now says this in an editorial. (Hey, now they're really worried.)

[quote] President Trump Needs to Step Up on the Coronavirus

[quote] So far, he has obviously failed to rise to the challenge of leadership. It does no one any favors to pretend otherwise. -- The Editors

I’m just off a plane. No choice. I had to fly home and had flown out before this turned into what it is. I am a bit dismayed staff deliver meals and drinks and take them away with no gloves or any effort.

Good thread to share with friends and family.

I’m 62 and live by myself. Like most people I live paycheck to paycheck. I have property taxes that are due so I could lose my house. I live in Ky I think only a few cases have been reported. I can’t stay home from work and my job employs more than 1000 people.

STUPID FUCKING TITLE.

Frisco frau here, 'weighing in', two more people here have tested positive-- the two family members of the guy who tested positive yesterday (north Texas' first positive test).

This town is crawling with school-age kids, and right now they're either in day camp for spring break (at the Y, rec centers, etc.) or they're out and about traveling. The parent was of an elementary-schooler, so if that kid has it then its classmates have it, and if they have it, they're mixing with kids of other schools right now who are going to spread it all over.

I wonder

Scratch the 'I wonder', I didn't look before I posted.

There are 185k people in Frisco and of those something like 55k are school-age kids. So look out.

I thought DL told me children were mostly immune from it.

R21 from the bad symptoms, but they’re carriers.

From a discreet distance I observed a hot college student and his gf exchanging teary farewells before heading off with their luggage in separate Ubers. Finally something which justified the previous thread’s title.

And I would rate the college boy an 8.5 out of 10, a point taken off for skinny legs.

An ominous comment from the Daily Mail. In the meantime, most people outside of China, Italy and Iran are going about life as usual. Here, whee I live, people are still attending soccer matches and church services and shaking hands and kissing as normal. In NYC, they are discounting theatre tickets to drum up business and to bring people together in confined spaces as the virus spreads. When the shit really hits the fan, we will only have only ourselves to blame for our own stupidity. We were warned months ago with the outbreak in China. Yet, we continued to do what we do in our bubbles and to dismiss this as an Asian flu . On Facebook, most of my friends and family have barely mentioned the crisis. They continue to post innocuous stories and pictures as the days go by and the fire continues to burn. Few are worried about the deaths, or the lack of testing or the threat to their way of life. If they do not acknowledge the threat it doesn't exist. Ditto for many posters on DL. No matter what happens now, things will be different. One way another we will ALL be affected.. Maybe due to the loss of a loved one or someone we know, a disrupted vacation, or work reduction or layoff. A hit to our savings plan or even our own illness or death. Yes, IT is coming. Are you ready?

European in China here. Europe has ignored the early warnings and is now paying the price. This well be down voted to heII probably, but it's Europe's 'freedom of movement' and governments without the ability to make tough decisions that will necessarily result in MILLIONS more sick and TENS OF THOUSANDS more who will die. International air travel to/from seriously infected European countries should have been suspended, much as was done with China in the early stages. Suspected cases should have been placed under enforced quarantine/isolation - you have the power in the Public Health Act 1984. Once 'community transmission' started - it has been going on for a week already - then the army and volunteers should be enforcing a "no travel" isolation of affected towns/cities with people required to stay home unless going out for supplies. Oh, and mandatory wearing of masks - the purchase price of which can be claimed back from income tax in order to encourage use.

I've been wondering what my neighbor, and then my partner and finally I caught these past couple weeks.

My partner got an upper respiratory infection nearly 3 weeks ago, he assumes from our neighbor he plays cards with. It started with a brief postnasal drip for a day or so, then he got a bad unproductive cough, and a mild fever, he said about 99.8 for a day. He still has a dry cough, and feels weak.

Then over the weekend, I caught this thing. I'm tired, and have a minimally productive cough. I felt achy until yesterday. I also have a headache. The cough comes and goes, and I have a headache today. I'll be fine for several hours and think I'm on the mend, and then it starts again. And I'm still more tired than usual. I had mild night sweats Sat & Sun but nothing last night. No fever when I checked.

We were at Target last night. The cold air in the frozen food section made me start coughing. And then my partner began coughing, probably monkey-see-monkey-do. And there was this chick down the aisle from us, who gave us a glare and left immediately. We laughed and hoped we wouldn't get kicked out.

Is it true that this thing has maybe been around all winter long but was misdiagnosed as regular flu? I got a flu shot back in October or so but got sick anyway in January for several days with all of the symptoms, it was pretty nasty for a bit.

R24

We’re being told that only medical providers and those who have already tested positive should be wearing masks. Is we all gonna die?

Walmart employee at the Cynthiana, Kentucky store has tested positive for the coronavirus

R19 Dear Frisco Frau from the middle of Texas, did you already mention about the husband & wife with a 3-year-old who are all CV positive? Those kids with their vacation are probably going to spread the virus to all parts of the state. The Houston/Fort Bend area group is getting larger, with two more today. And here in Beaumont we had a couple return from Thailand who were healthy a few days ago when first reported, and self-quarantined. I wish the local news would update on them. I saw a new red dot on the John Hopkins map this morning, right where I live, and they live.

In China, if you are allowed to go out in public at all, masks are mandatory. It’s hard not to see the campaign of misinformation in the US as intentional.

A guy in my office is now under self-quarantine as his mother-in-law has tested positive for the virus.

I'm bored of singing "God Save the Queen" in my head every time I wash my hands. Going to start singing "Landslide" by Fleetwood Mac instead.

r26, wow, you should go work for the World Health Organization. Fuck all those MDs and PhDs, we need a genius like you to manage this.

I was planning on going to my local bathhouse on Saturday night. Should I still go?

R33, please save the attitude for the deniers. They’re the ones who are greasing the rails for this impending disaster. R26 means well.

R26, this is nowhere near the regular flu.

Today, I declined a handshake for the first time.

I’ve been joking all week that I have Corona virus. But I wonder... I’ve had cold-like symptoms but my sinuses aren’t stuffed like usual. Only a sore throat and a cough, as well as a runny nose. I got it from my 89-year-old mom, who had similar symptoms. She seemed to have recovered but then got sick again (I hear the virus comes back sometimes). She’s now recovered again (she’s in excellent health for her age). After reading the symptoms, well... maybe.

I'm in Westchester County, where the largest cluster of cases in the US is located. Although not in the "containment zone" of the New Rochelle area, we're a few miles away, and people are just going about their lives as if nothing is wrong. I watched at the supermarket people coughing without covering their mouths, and sneezing into their hands, wiping hands on pants, then putting hands back on shopping cart. I was horrified.

And in late April I'm supposed to attend the largest furniture market in the US, where thousands of people from all over the world converge for five days in a small town in North Carolina (High Point). It should be pre-emptively canceled, but it's so important to the economy there, it won't. I really don't want to go, but if it's not canceled I'll have no choice.

r26 here -- this was a genuine question. I've been reading everything, lots of articles are saying this thing's been around for longer than we've thought it to be; they think that one guy got on the cruise ship already having it, for example. Lots of people are saying it's possible it's been spreading since January. I know it's worse for some people than the flu, but not everyone, not on a person to person basis. That is to say its transmission rate and fatality rate are worse but it's possible that plenty of people have gotten it and just thought it was a bad cold or a bad case of the normal flu. Isn't it like 60% of people that get it just experience that?

I thought THE LARGEST cluster of cases was in Seattle?

Kentucky just would have a Cynthiana, wouldn't it, r28?

I guess I'm probably NOT going on my gay cruise in July.

I thought it was New York.

I just wish my stupid boss would let me work from home.

R44 Yes, New Rochelle in Westchester Cty. That's why they are sending in The National Guard. It's deemed a containment rather than a quarantine, but The Guard shall deliver food, and sterilise public buildings, schools and stores in a 1m radius at the town's epicentre.

That Westchester County lawyer is the NEW Gaetan Dugas!

They are all flying blind right now. A payroll tax cut won't save the economy if people can't go out to spend the money. The economic impact of this are inestimable at this point.

MOST of NY state's cases are in Westchester, not Manhattan.

Not only that R48, but it really is just deferred. People will have to pay the tax next year when they file.

Trump is trying to reduce panic. To help the stock market for selfish purposes. I honestly don’t think he has any empathy, so I can’t say that concern for public health matters to him. His means of trying to reduce panic, is to lie about the spread of the virus, it’s potential, and so forth. That’s what he knows how to do, lie. That actually increases panic, because people clearly see, or will soon see, it’s more serious than he’s been saying.

I turn 60 this year. The odd thing is, for you youngsters who aren’t there yet, is I actually “feel” quite young. It is true that I don’t have the strength that I used to, but I do feel like I might be in my late 30s. Except when I look in the mirror, haha. So, it’s odd to me that my immune system is deteriorating, though I accept that. I do get yearly physicals, so my hypothyroidism and high cholesterol, my only heath problems, are managed.

As for the immune system of older people, I don’t think your immune system correlates with your overall exterior health. By that I mean, you might go to the gym and be quit fit in that sense. Except if you do cardio so that your heart and lungs are healthy, that probably helps. But if you do strength-lifting, I don’t think that helps.

I really wish I could get the test. If I turned positive, I could at least stop bothering with sanitizing my home and worrying about groceries. I don’t get visitors frequently, so I could isolate and not worry so much about infecting other people. I could have the grocery delivery left outside the front door. Assuming there is grocery delivery a month from now.

Can't the fucking Frisco Frau get her fucking information from Facebook?

Fraus fucking ruin everything.

Frisco... ugh.

#DallasStrong

#DallasGay

[quote]They are all flying blind right now. A payroll tax cut won't save the economy if people can't go out to spend the money. The economic impact of this are inestimable at this point.

We've lived through such a long era of massive inflated greed, I'm not sure I care too much.

Joe: President Donald Trump Understands This Is Not The Flu | Morning Joe | MSNBC

If this gets ugly in the US, Trump will throw every fucking person under the bus. "My people told me", "I heard that". He will just make shit up to save his ass. He will fire and replace staff to pin the blame on everyone but himself. Sadly, many people will fall for that shit. I was talking to my mom (a non Trump supporter BTW) the other day, and she said "well the President said that..." as IF he had any credibility regarding anything, especially concerning this crisis. Unfortunately, many Americans have been raised to blindly trust and follow their leaders no matter what complete bullshit comes out of their mouths especially during a crisis. You can only imagine how Trump supporters will feel. These are sad times in America. Truly the fall of a great empire is well underway

Calm down, R52. There’s enough corona for everyone.

OMB allowing granting agencies to waive regulations

Oh Dear myself

STFU Frustrated Misogynist @ R52- What you're pissed 'cause the CV is putting a damper on your Sex life? Grow up. You wouldn't believe the number of straight Moron friends I have who are THRILLED to be sending their progeny off to European destinations for Spring Break- WTF??! And I'm not talking Vienna, the South of France, or Ibiza. I'm talking as of two weeks ago they were still sending their kids off to tours London, Italy, and Greece- " But it's the Trip of a LIFETIME for them! But of course I'll feel a little bad if they catch it and spread the virus to our Elderly neighbors, but they've had their heart set on it for months now. I just couldn't break their hearts." SHEESH! Selfish Assholes.

R52, You fucking hashtagged Dallas Strong.

I have nothing but pity for you. Yes I'm in Frisco, I'm not proud of it, certainly would never fucking hashtag it. I haven't lived here my whole life nor do I intend to. You on the other hand, you sound real proud of Dallas! Are you retarded?

F you assface @r52.

NIH policy on meetings.

Frisco Frau, I hear that school district is looking for volunteers to help tutor students for the STAAR tests.

You really should volunteer, yes?

Your FrauBook Friends would be so proud!

I called a friend hadn’t talked to in weeks and wondered how he felt on the subject. He reminded me of Rump in that he thought he knew more than the experts. He said this wasn’t as bad as the Bird Flu and it will be over in 6 weeks. He wasn’t concerned at all that his husband was speaking in front of a church group with hundreds of people.

Hey #DallasGay at R52! I'm on Frisco Frau's side. As a fellow North Texan, I appreciate the info from someone who is in the thick of it, so to speak.

By the way, don't you have a lip gloss seminar you should get to?

Joe Rogan interviews Michael Osterholm, director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy (CIDRAP) at the University of Minnesota and author of the book Deadliest Enemy: Our War Against Killer Germs.

Jim Acosta just asked Pence if Trump is going to stop shaking hands. Pence answered that the president and himself will continue to shake hands. Acosta makes me feel happy with his questions.

Trump Wants Bankers To Help With Virus Response, Not Doctors

I read an account of a young guy who is battling the disease. He said his symptoms included diarrhea. It’s a respiratory disease, but you might also have GI symptoms.

The election tonight just might end Bernie’s run for President, but the primary election news is eclipsed by this virus.

[quote] Nadine Dorries, a health minister, has become first MP to be diagnosed with coronavirus. She has been in Westminster for past week, met hundreds of people, and attended a No 10 reception hosted by Boris Johnson on Thursday.

Strange coincidence:

[quote] Nadine Dorries first felt ill last Friday as she was signing a statutory instrument which made coronavirus a 'notifiable' disease

R29, yes, this started yesterday. An email came in the afternoon from the school district saying that the parent of a grade-schooler had tested positive for Coronavirus. I immediately tried to post from my phone but the thread kept crashing so I waddled straight over to my laptop and plopped down and posted my intel to Datalounge right away.

Yesterday night there were people in Hazmat suits cleaning the elementary school attended by the guy's kid.

Today it was reported that the guy's wife and toddler tested positive, and the elementary schooler's test result is 'inconclusive.' The guy & his wife have FOUR kids-- one tested positive, one tested inconclusive, and two have tested negative so far.

They said he had contact with about 20 people, mostly coworkers and family, and those people have been notified and are supposed to be self-monitoring.

They think he picked it up in CA, as he fell ill after returning from silicon valley.

Sharon Stone battles the Coronavirus!

[quote]DIY Hand Sanitizer - 2/3 cup rubbing alcohol 1/3 cup Aloe Vera gel makes hand sanitizer

I find it disturbing that Russia reports only 10 cases in only one location. I think they are lying; however, if they are not, it suggests that they weaponized the virus and have vaccinated their people. Could they do that without that news getting out?

Even Olivia de Havilland concedes that Dame Judi will never die.

Why has this thread seemingly died?

I’m like glued to it.

Super Tuesday, R76.

Berlin authorities have announced that all theatrical/opera productions will be shut down.

Absolutely nowhere anywhere near me has a drop of rubbing alcohol left, Sharon.

Just got this email from Target.

A Note to Our Guests About the Coronavirus from CEO Brian Cornell Over the past few days, so many of you have been in our stores and on our website stocking up on all the essential things you need to keep your families healthy and safe.

I want you to know that your health and safety is our first priority, too.

We’ve always taken great pride in our clean and well-run stores, and we know this is more important than ever right now. On top of our daily cleaning procedures, we’re adding hours to each store’s payroll to make our routines even more rigorous. This means more time will be spent cleaning our stores, including cleaning surfaces like checklanes and touchscreens at least every 30 minutes. Like many others, we’re taking guidance from the CDC, which recommends regular cleaning as one of the most important preventive measures we can take. And, out of an abundance of caution, we’ve temporarily stopped food sampling in our stores.

We’re also staffing up our teams to support in-demand services like Order Pickup and Drive Up.

And of course, we’re committed to taking care of our team. For weeks, we’ve provided them with up-to-the-moment guidance and information so they can keep themselves and their families safe. We’re encouraging sick team members to stay home and asking our teams to travel only if it’s business critical. And, to help support our team in real-time, we’ve set up a forum where we’re sharing information and taking questions 24/7.

Speaking of our team, they are working around the clock to make sure that the products you want are available when you need them. As demand for cleaning products, medicine, pantry stock-up items and more remains high, we’re sending more products to our stores as quickly as possible. And this weekend, we started to limit the number of key items per purchase, which will allow more guests to get what they need.

At the center of our company’s purpose is a commitment to help all families, and it’s something we take to heart in good times and bad. This is why we’ll be working hard to keep our stores open so we can be there to support you and your families. Brian Cornell For the latest updates on our response to coronavirus, go to corporate.target.com.

Cornell

[quote][R26] here -- this was a genuine question. I've been reading everything, lots of articles are saying this thing's been around for longer than we've thought it to be; they think that one guy got on the cruise ship already having it, for example. Lots of people are saying it's possible it's been spreading since January. I know it's worse for some people than the flu, but not everyone, not on a person to person basis. That is to say its transmission rate and fatality rate are worse but it's possible that plenty of people have gotten it and just thought it was a bad cold or a bad case of the normal flu. Isn't it like 60% of people that get it just experience that?

R26 / R40

Both genomic epidemiology and proof of community spread tells us it has indeed been circulating in some communities in the US since January. Kirkland (suburb of Seattle) was the first example of community transmission. Because of asymptomatic spreading and high level of contagion, we know that once clusters and deaths appear, the virus has been circulating and has already infected many more—by orders of magnitude, some experts believe—than the given numbers. Also consider that the us has done an abysmal job of deploying test kits. As more are tested, we'll see that this virus has already spread to every corner of our country but, but that time, it'll be too late. Our healthcare system cannot handle many people being sick at the same time. But god forbid Jaydn and Madysynne's yoga-for-tots class is cancelled!

Research coming out of China is showing that many of the "mild" cases were still many times worse than any flu virus, but the term was used relative to cases that required oxygen, respirators, and other medical intervention. We also know that is is far more contagious than any flu virus.

I am very concerned. Not because I'm an alarmist or prone to undue panic, but because I pay attention. We'd all benefit by approaching this situation with caution, and let common sense and logic guide us in the right direction. There's no harm in being prepared. Willful ignorance is going to compound the problem (much like the spread of the virus is compounding as I type).

Jesus, just bite the bullet and shut the country down for six weeks.

I'm 60 with health problems that have kept me mostly homebound the last 4 years. I'm less concerned 😟about getting it than I am hospital capacity and the collapse of the global supply chain. I'm prepared to stay home for awhile. Use grocery delivery,etc.

I flew across the country and back (CA to MI to CA) in early January and caught something godawful that had me hacking and inert for weeks with symptoms that sound very similar to COVID-19. Between that and the abysmal people that I encountered in transit, I have no desire to leave my house and grounds for a very long while.

I’m still pushing for ‘Captain Corelli’s Pangolin®’ for the next thread title.

[quote]Between that and the abysmal people that I encountered in transit, I have no desire to leave my house and grounds for a very long while.

R85 >

I am in Thousand Oaks; CA and also had a very weird bug in early January. Cough, chills, Diarrhea, couldn’t move. But no Runny nose.,,

I cancelled Vegas trip and now I see this..I’m not overweight btw

I’m in Palm Springs and got a hard to shake bug in early January...no diarrhea only slight cough but no trouble breathing. I rarely get sick too.

I told my sister she had the virus a few weeks ago (my mom and I were also sick but not like she was). She had odd symptoms. She felt as though she had a cold, but she had a runny nose and no stuffiness. She also had a sore throat, cough and fever, and a day after those symptoms started she had terrible diarrhea. She just thought she had a double whammy cold and stomach virus but this makes more sense. We really thought the symptoms were odd, until I read gastro problems are also a symptom. I bet untold numbers have this and don’t know it.

Vegas people are so arrogant that they honestly think that because there are few recorded cases in Nevada, they have no reason to worry. I would think that the confined spaces as well as people touching everything in sight would make them more scared. But no.

When I read Frisco frau I thought San Francisco....I think if ur from TX you put that...most Americans don’t know the tax town

UCLA will not allow spectators at any of their athletic events until at least April 10. UCLA women's basketball was set to host the first two rounds of the tournament but that looks doubtful now.

Call me Susan Collins but I’m becoming a tad concerned.

[quote] Such people facilitate catastrophes like the one that is currently unfolding.

It’s not a “catastrophe”, R12. Gain some sense of perspective. Provided that you’re under the age of 70-80, you’re MORE likely to die from a motor vehicle crash than from any virus. So feel free to freak out about “killer cars” instead. Oh wait - people & the media don’t freak out about those higher-rate deaths - they’re too commonplace and “boring” for news headlines, I guess.

And ca. 60,000+ people died during the recent 2017-2018 flu season (including 200 kids) - but, again, no one gave a heck about such “boring” deaths.

[quote] All the people STILL saying it's no worse than the flu and everyone needs to calm down need to shut the fuck up before their shitty false sense of security literally kills people.

It’s worse than the flu, but it’s better than motor vehicle fatality rates. And most people dying are in their 70s and 80s who already have underlying diseases and conditions, R13. Average age of fatal-outcome patients in Italy (the worst hit in Europe) is 81 years old. Guess what - most old people won’t live until their 100th birthday, even without the Coronavirus. If this virus doesn’t get you - than something else will at that age.

The panic you’re generating is bad for health - because stress kills too. I remember reading about the Fukushima nuclear accident - ironically, more people died from the ‘mob hysteria’ than from the radiation. People there became so uncontrollably hysterical that they died in car accidents, from panic-exacerbated heart attacks, etc. So keep calm and carry on. This virus is not trivial, but it’s not as deadly as other things that kill humans daily. I repeat: you’re more likely to die in your car from a fatal road accident than from any virus.

R92 As of this afternoon only 2 reported cases in CT, there HAVE to be more cases but no tests...

R83 I agree, although I don't know if six weeks are necessary, but with a huge % of people thinking this is a liberal hoax that's not probable.

Can you imagine paying for Harvard to be told to go home and study remotely? May as well be the University of Phoenix.

Wa told voters (all in wa vote by mail or drop off ballot) not to lick the ballot envelope

⏳ CORONA TIME 9:30 PM EST

🌎 GLOBAL :

CASES: 119,176

DEATHS: 4,295

CRITICAL: 6,047

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES :

CASES: 976

DEATHS: 30

CRITICAL: 8 (?)

Life as we know it has been forever changed, and we are all going to have to learn to adapt .............

Unless you prefer the alternative.

I cant believe there’s another Frisco frau here besides me. I’m not the Frisco frau who posted earlier but I do have some additional jntel. The Frisco coronavirus guy went to Costco on Saturday. So now all those people who went to stock up on corona supplies were exposed. Costco in Frisco is like the Hajj during Ramadan. Crazy busy all the time. Anyway we are thinking of pulling the kids out of school for a couple weeks and peacing out to the countryside.

Ok, here's what I don't understand.

They say the virus has probably been circulating in the US for a couple of months. And since the US is so far behind in testing, the number if cases is surely much higher than we're being told.

But if that's the case, why are number of deaths still so low? I would imagine those death numbers are true, there's no way to hide the number of deaths.

So why is that number still so low and rising so slowly?

Total deaths in China @ 3,158

Italy @ 631

Iran @ 291

U.S. ranks #7 @ 30

R102 the numbers aren't changing because things like pneumonia, COPD, congestive heart failure, etc are the causes of death being cited. There are also many who think that they have some 'funky version of the flu' and recover to then later have persisting issues. Plus the US is BIG, just the NY suburb ex is perfect because it took a while for it to blow open, but when it did, it really had quite the mushroom cloud effect.

Another week or two and th US will be in a very different space.

I had a ton of friends on FB who were reporting a horrible 3 week flu that would come and go in December. This was all in L.A., S.F, Chicago and New York.

r102, perhaps this was all the more mild Covid, and it mutated to the super Covid in January?

Why aren't we seeing people in other countries dropping dead like we saw in videos leaked from China when all this started?

r106- I believe those people weren't being treated.

[quote]the numbers aren't changing because things like pneumonia, COPD, congestive heart failure, etc are the causes of death being cited.

Where have you heard that? Link please.

R102 The virus may have been circulating for some time, but it is just now peaking. Also, we aren't testing as we should because supplies are not readily available to all areas of the US, despite the nonsense that our President and his " team of medical expert wannabes " are feeding us.

As more people are tested, we may see growing numbers.

R102, because infected people have not developed symptoms until recently. There is a lag time. Imagine a camel where a camel driver adds a straw to his backpack every day. Eventually, they will break his back, right?

If there are great masses of people who all get sick around the same time, the death rate will go up, because healthcare quality will go down. The staff will be sick themselves. The ICU equipment will be insufficient in number to help everybody who needs it. And so forth.

R100, not necessarily. First of all, a vaccine is eventually likely. Secondly, after populations get hit with a new virus for the first time - our bodies start producing anti-bodies. So that any re-infections the second time round can be less painful and shorter in duration. Because our body’s robust immune system already got to know this virus this time round and started internally producing antibodies to flush it out of our body quicker the next time.

The only problem is that, like most viruses, this one mutates. So our bodies (and virologists) have to constantly tackle new strands. But it’s still doable.

We don’t necessarily have to go into total lock-down every single winter when a new virus comes out of Asia.

I'm in NYC and think I might have gotten this back in early December. I had a severe chest cold unlike any other I've had. I ran a fever (which never happens), and it would go away, then come back a day later. That went on for like 10 days.

I work from home and didn't go out when I was sick. But I think I got it from being unusually social (holiday parties) and gym-going (to prepare for the holiday calorie intake) right before.

When I went back to the gym in mid-December, I started wiping down the cardio machines before I used them, gawkers be damned. I was not going to go through that again.

[quote]Costco in Frisco is like the Hajj during Ramadan

You mean nonexistent?

The nursing home in Washington State where the virus exploded, is still trying to pass off his theory that the majority of victims most likely died from "old age" rather than Corona.

Nothing like trying to cover your tracks ........

Nursing Homes are more dangerous than hospitals when it come to spreading and catching diseases.

Today they cancelled all high school basketball championship games in the state of Connecticut because of Covid-19 concerns

R111, that's going off of the bodies typical response, something I'd read that is problematic in how our bodies deal with this virus is with an over-response from the immune system. It could be like MRSA (despite being viral) in that each time you get reinfection it's much more dangerous than before, and harder to treat. There's so much about this virus that we dont know but given it mutated within 3 months max means it's a big wildcard.

The kidney, liver, lung and heart damage are also going to compound how well the body can recover from reinfection.

R101, Unbelievable!

I feel like the Parsi who met the other Parsi on the"Any Indians on DL?" thread.

I'll be honest, I am so frightened. I don't want to die. I've got more to do. Not young. Not old. I could cope with that. It's the loss of control. I am very frightened.

Poor Donald Trump, so worried about the economy, translates to "My businesses are losing a ton of money due to all of the cancellations at my hotels, casinos, golf courses, and restaurants, and this fucking nonsense has got to stop!"

Two weeks ago, I paid $2.96 per gallon of gas.

Today, I paid $2.59.

But did you get Corona from the pump, R120?

But did you get Corona from the pump, R120?

Thank you to whomever posts the daily stats.

It's sobering but I can't help but chuckle that the # at "Critical" has remained at 8 for days now.

I am an elementary school teacher. I assume I’ll be exposed to it at work from asymptomatic kids, most likely the kindergarteners I work with who have a streak on snot on their faces even on a good day.

I’m fairly worried for myself, but more so for my mom in her eighties. She is healthy and very active, and I’m not sure she’ll slow down and confine herself. My brother and I talked about having her stay with one of us, but he’s got young kids, so we figure she may be safer at her own home.

This isn’t how I envisioned the start of spring.

Big hug to you R118. I'm sure you'lll be fine.

R106, it has been said that there are 2 strains of coronavirus, one more severe - the people keeling over in the street in China, and one more mild, like the 30-40 year olds who had a nasty bug on the US East Coast in Jan and Feb.

It's here! It is in Dallas!

Walmart is preparing for a transition to curbside delivery ONLY.

No one will be allowed inside the store by April 1st.

I bet it was originally spread by some international traveler with little kids in daycare or elementary school. Kids that age probably have pretty mild cases and the parents probably thought it was just a cold or flu. Then little Jaden gave it to their friends’ moms and dads, or the daycare employees.

If Jaden’s parents travel for work and brought it home, and Jaden got a very mild case as little kids do, it could spread invisibly from child to child and parent to parent until the incubation period is over and suddenly everyone has it.

[quote] The kidney, liver, lung and heart damage are also going to compound how well the body can recover from reinfection.

R116, I haven’t heard of any big internal organ damage reports in Britain yet. I heard of a few outlier cases, like one case in New Jersey (lung damage complications in an otherwise recovered patient in his 30s). But severe organ damage among most recovering patients under the age of 70-80 seems pretty rare?

I 💟 you, R118, and all of my friends at DataLounge.

You are truly " Mia LA Famiglia" and I wish all a long, healthy and happy life.

Our Guardian Angels are working overtime to keep us safe. I certainly hope they are successful.

In the meantime, [italic] Wash, Sanitize, and Moisturize !

You rang?

I've been a little concerned for a while now, but the virus hadn't appeared in the state, until three cases popped up in Cleveland the other day. Now there are two suspected cases being tested in Columbus. I'm not happy about the virus apparently getting so much closer so quickly.

That was also my question R123. I'm a skeptic by nature, and something's not quite right about that figure.

Walmart, doing the most pro-worker thing I can remember in almost 42 years on this planet, has announced that employees that need to quarantine will get paid for two weeks.

[quote]Total deaths in China @ 3,158

China has a population of 1.4 BILLION. 3,000 deaths out of 1.4 billion is .02%. This hysteria is ridiculous.

Has anyone thought the reason there are not any cases in their state or more in their state is because we are incapable of testing to find out the real numbers?

R136, where have you been? It’s general knowledge that the crisis is more severe in China and that the government is lying.

Not, R136, if you or a family member has been diagnosed.

If you are fortunate enough to recover, you may still suffer from serious complications that will be with you for the rest of your life.

I just got a very long email from Target (as well as a lot of other retailers and Airline companies)- they REALLY want your business:

Target Logo A Note to Our Guests About the Coronavirus from CEO Brian Cornell Over the past few days, so many of you have been in our stores and on our website stocking up on all the essential things you need to keep your families healthy and safe.

I want you to know that your health and safety is our first priority, too.

We’ve always taken great pride in our clean and well-run stores, and we know this is more important than ever right now. On top of our daily cleaning procedures, we’re adding hours to each store’s payroll to make our routines even more rigorous. This means more time will be spent cleaning our stores, including cleaning surfaces like checklanes and touchscreens at least every 30 minutes. Like many others, we’re taking guidance from the CDC, which recommends regular cleaning as one of the most important preventive measures we can take. And, out of an abundance of caution, we’ve temporarily stopped food sampling in our stores.

We’re also staffing up our teams to support in-demand services like Order Pickup and Drive Up.

And of course, we’re committed to taking care of our team. For weeks, we’ve provided them with up-to-the-moment guidance and information so they can keep themselves and their families safe. We’re encouraging sick team members to stay home and asking our teams to travel only if it’s business critical. And, to help support our team in real-time, we’ve set up a forum where we’re sharing information and taking questions 24/7.

Speaking of our team, they are working around the clock to make sure that the products you want are available when you need them. As demand for cleaning products, medicine, pantry stock-up items and more remains high, we’re sending more products to our stores as quickly as possible. And this weekend, we started to limit the number of key items per purchase, which will allow more guests to get what they need.

At the center of our company’s purpose is a commitment to help all families, and it’s something we take to heart in good times and bad. This is why we’ll be working hard to keep our stores open so we can be there to support you and your families.

[quote] When I went back to the gym in mid-December, I started wiping down the cardio machines before I used them, gawkers be damned

How many of you DLers are still hitting the gym? Are you skipping the pool or the showers / sauna? Are you skipping close-proximity group exercise classes like yoga / spin classes? Have you frozen your gym memberships and switched to exercising at home for the next few months?

I’m still going, at the moment at least. I signed to a brand new swanky gym recently and really want to use it before things get potentially locked down in preventative quarantine. I’m a Millennial so I know my chances of dying from Covid-19 are very minimal.

But I am concerned about accidentally catching the virus and passing it on to my parents (they just turned 60). One of my parents is a smoker and the other has animal allergies affecting breathing, so I’m concerned a respiratory virus would be more risky for them.

I see cleaning staff sanitising some surfaces more frequently in my gym, but I don’t think that will solve potential problems (as the virus is airborne and one cough or sneeze within a 6 feet radius is enough to pass it on to others).

I actually wonder if the pool is a bit safer - does the virus transmit in submerged water?

R121 R122 Surprisingly enough, there were disposable gloves at the pump. They also hand sanitizing wipes, but the containers were empty.

I always have gloves and sanitizer in my car, so hopefully the money I save will stay in my pocket, rather than towards a deductible.

I work with a very vulnerable population (old, underlying conditions, etc), so a bit of a freak out is entirely warranted.

I am working out at home for the rest of the month, using apps and my set of adjustable dumbbells.

I’m going to need links from r126 and r128.

Darfur Orphan just...gets IT.

Like he understands the pain of First World Problems even more deeply than we do.

Would a decorative fruit basket be an inconsiderate gift?

R126 is correct. Check this video at about 2:20 if it doesn't autoplay. I don't know where R128 is getting that from.

R135

Behind the scenes they are doing a LOT more than that.

They’re scrambling to reorganize. The management staff is convinced that lockdown is imminent, and delivery is impossible, so curbside pickup is the only strategy.

This SHIT gets worse with every new thread!

You people ruined my happy life!

R148 Link please

I believe, OP, that Giovanni Boccaccio dated my great grandmother x 4, Fortuna Focaccia.

R144, it seems the virus will be going round for the entire spring at the very least (probably extending into the summer and autumn as well). Are you planning to work out at home for as long as it takes, even if it takes 3-6 months or more?

I’m planning to self-isolate only when the virus hits its peak. It might take some months for it to taper off after that, so I’d rather use the opportunity to move around outside and in some social spaces now while I still can and while the risk of infection is still relatively low.

Haha China will be the fucking end of us all. Now those dirty dirties have bird flu.

R128 Is that an April Fool's Joke ?

Looks like Michigan is joining the party.

I see stores cleaning a lot more, there is a chick f la by my place and it's always closed on Sundays, this past Sunday, there was a cleaning crew inside.

Paris baguette employees have to wash their hands every X minutes ( I forgot how many)

Starbucks don't put out the milk by the napkins anymore.

R140 see R80 that was posted 2 1/2 before you.

The NJ man in his 60s who died, he was admitted to hospital on Friday, he suffered 2 cardiac arrests, had diabetes, he had no travel history to infected countries but came to NYC all the time, I wonder if he took path train or Subway, maybe both....

He was NJ' s first death

I was reading that they aren't really testing people in the UK either...am on mobile, can't link

Tank you, mister @ r152, for kind thought and prayer.

Can I have all your stuffs ?

Yes, Yes r146 ! I'll take that fruit basket because the freakin' locusts are destroying our crops.

Do you think you could slip in a six pack of those mini cans of Coca Cola (they're the perfect size for tiny hands) and a bag of Hershey Kisses ?

XX💟OO

54 new cases in the UK today, yet nothing is closed or locked down. Football matches with 60k crowds are still going ahead.

Shit, r152 Nature has HAD IT with us humans.

Re bird flu @r152:

The mortality rate of the disease is about 60% in people.

SIXTY PERCENT!!! YIKES!

They better burn everyone of those chickens.

R147, I’m not that poster, but I’ve been talking to supermarket employees the last few weeks and I heard a local Walmart employee say that they are planning to go to curbside service only. I don’t think I heard a date.

Judging from what I was told by another chatty market employee at a different store, it looks like markets don’t really know what to do and they’re deciding week by week. They’re not really getting any guidance from any government entity, so they’re just winging it. Some of this stuff may be up to individual store managers too.

I went to a Costco I don’t usually go to on the weekend. One employee stood at the door and wiped down every cart handle before they gave it to you. That employee wore gloves and it looked like most employees at that store wore gloves. The manager there was really on top of things and walking around the store, checking on things. She talked to me and said she had six young employees whose job it was to take care of things out in front. I’m going back to that store again, it was spotless.

R155 (tangent rant) About damned time! I hate the self serve bs at Starbucks, it's bad enough paying for overpriced mediocre coffee (although I do love the breakfast/light brew blend, but bc it has more caffeine its not served past 11 or noon), but also having to fix it at a teeny little station in a hurry with 4 other people doing the same is a pain in the ass and insulting when Dunkin' or even McDonalds can make a better coffee.

“Don’t panic. Keep calm.” is not helpful.

One common response we’ve seen on social media to people that are pointing out the reasons to be concerned, is “don’t panic” or “keep calm”. This is, to say the least, not helpful. No-one is suggesting that panic is an appropriate response. For some reason, however, “keep calm” is a very popular reaction in certain circles (but not amongst any epidemiologists, whose job it is to track these things). Perhaps “keep calm” helps some people feel better about their own inaction, or makes them feel somehow superior to people who they imagine are running around like a headless chicken.

But “keep calm” can easily lead to a failure to prepare and respond. In China, tens of millions were put on lock-down and two new hospitals were built by the time they reached the statistics that the US has now. Italy waited too long, and just today (Sunday March 8) they reported 1492 new cases and 133 new deaths, despite locking down 16 million people. Based on the best information we’re able to ascertain at this stage, just 2-3 weeks ago Italy was in the same position that the US and UK are in today (in terms of infection statistics).”

I’m quoting that from that statistician’s paper linked above. This needs to be repeated here. The stay calm shit is nauseating and annoying. If you have nothing more to contribute SHUT THE FUCK UP.

R138 Makes more sense if you say the US government is lying. The Chinese seem to have the virus under control with Xi visiting Wuhan. Now they are just on guard for infected people coming in from foreign countries.

⏳ CORONA TIME 12:00 MIDNIGHT EST

🌎 GLOBAL :

CASES: 119,215

DEATHS: 4,298

CRITICAL: 5,747

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES :

CASES: 1,010

DEATHS: 30

CRITICAL: 10

😵 Keep Calm .........

[italic] The Sky Is Falling, Damn It !

Just got a post from CNN saying it’s over 1000 cases in the U.S.

Ohio has 3 cases and has closed all school, colleges and universities. London has 91 cases and has closed nothing. Football matches and stadium concerts are still going ahead. The typical Blitz spirit will be the death of the Brits.

What’s the game plan? Now they know thousands of Americans are infected. They would have to rest and quarantine everyone to stop it. Are we just supposed to ride it out? Asking for a friend.

Sorry, test not rest. I really am at a loss here.

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soon the english premier league will have to stop games. some players are probably positive now after meeting that owner who has the virus, and he's a fat cunt @52 yrs old...he might die.

So how does this work? I just received an email from a fellow rescue cat volunteer. She is self-quarantining because of possible exposure to CV at her kid's school. We volunteer in a tiny room at a pet store. I don't have any direct contact with her because we volunteer on different days, but I spent hours in that little room within 4-5 days after her shift. Does that count as exposure? I sanitize throughout my shift--it's standard procedure all volunteers to keep the cats healthy.

Knowable US cases are 1000 - actual cases of infection are probably in the multiple thousands

Good question, R178. Probably the CDC website would be your best bet.

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R178. do you use bleach to clean the surfaces in the small room? You should be fine. good luck...you should keep the door open next time for air circulation...if you ever go back again.

R173, Ohio did not close all schools. A bunch of universities have gone to online classes, but most grade schools are still open, for now.

The US just recorded another death.

The total deaths is now @ 31.

Until DC Politicians start dropping like flies, we most likely won't see any aggressive measures taken on a national scale. Not to mention the three top presidential candidates are out there pressing the flesh, and exposing themselves to the virus without taking precautions.

Cities need to take a cue from Cuomo and start making those tough decisions on their own.

R178, the question is who is the person who volunteers the day after her? Is that person sick? and did that person (who may be asymptomatic) pass it on to the person who works the following day and you get my drift?

at least critical is not still pretending to be 8 for days now

did you guys read that twitter from that Italian doctor...I can't seem to find it now but he said they are too many patients and they are now just choosing who to save... and basically let the old people die in Italy.

Won’t they eventually have to quarantine everyone? Unless everyone is regularly tested it’s just hoping for the best.

Alexandra Waterbury, the nude photo "victim" of those hunky ballet stars is PISSED. She is FURIOUS that Columbia's classes went online.

The subsequent impact of this virus is going to result in so much eventual crap down the line - remember Bernie Madoff was a very well-respected famous financier...and less than 2 months after the 2008 financial collapse his life became front page news. Believe me, Trump's government won't be the only thing collapsing in the weeks to follow.

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Nature's Revenge:

A journalist goes undercover at wet markets where the Coronavirus started...

R182, no, not bleach unless we have a ringworm outbreak. We use Virex which kills bacteria, viruses and fungi. That's the good news. The bad news is that it's used mainly for the cat cages but the bench we sit on doesn't get wiped down daily--I'm going to start doing on my shifts from now on. Ditto for the floor. We can't leave the door open...the cats will make a getaway.

R183, good point. Checking the calendar...

Christ, I worry about how the rescue cats will be taken care of if it turns out any volunteer has the virus and the room is contaminated. All the volunteers would presumably have to self-quarantine.

NYC’s John Jay College closes after student tests positive for coronavirus

A student who attends classes at John Jay College in Manhattan has tested positive for coronavirus, the university said on Tuesday night.

The woman developed symptoms over the weekend and has not returned to the campus since becoming sick, according to the City University of New York.

John Jay decided to close the school on Wednesday out of an abundance of caution.

“We will use the day tomorrow to consult further with public health and state and city officials,” read a statement from school president Karol V. Mason.

🐦 Please don't tell me that the outbreak of Bird Flu will negatively impact the supply of Malted Milk Speckled Robin Eggs for the Easter Holiday.

The New York Times is urging its staffers to work from home

By Tuesday, a sizeable number of its 1,700 editorial employees were staying home, but a precise headcount was not available.

That's OK. They've been phoning it in for years.

I'm going to guess that today (Wednesday) will include an absolute explosion of cases in NYC.

Once those doomed cruise ships pull into a city to dock, its a death sentence for the unlucky city. IMHO, the cruise ships should be turned into isolation centers/floating hospitals, and the infected should be shuffled there. Taking them to hospitals and military bases just results in the virus spreading on a larger scale.

CNN-South Korea saw 242 new coronavirus cases on Tuesday. Six more people died

Sixty people have now died in the country. A total of 7,755 cases have been identified. Daegu and North Gyeongsang account for about 89% of the nation's confirmed cases, the KCDC said.

A cluster in Seoul: The mayor of the South Korean capital, Park Won-soon, said 93 patients are linked to a call center, up from 50 yesterday. Park said that it's the biggest infection in the Seoul capital area so far.

R51 / Pierre, I had no idea you were 50. You really do seem younger. And very sweet.

ALL schools & universities should shut their doors until Fall Semester begins. It won't kill these kids if they have to do a little make-up time, but returning to school after Spring Break just might.

That should have been 60.

Imagine if one of those delivery people get the virus...they will be spreading it to all their customers. And majority of immigrant delivery folks live in cramped apts with 10-20 others.

R192, don't forget door handles! And you should probably wear gloves. and don't touch your face!

I think Pierre is a man of mystery, whom is dressed in the style of a classic French mime, black trousers, black & white stripe top, and a little black brimmed hat, perched atop of his shaggy mane. And of course, his face is enhanced with classic mime makeup.

Hi silently slips through the streets of Paris, virtually unnoticed, gathering vital information to share with DataLoungers everywhere. And while going about his covert intelligence gathering, he is carful to avoid all forms of physical contact by adhering to the six foot safety zone rule. He is truly a Man on a Mission.

How we 💟 our dear, sweet fellow.

[italic] Stay Safe, Pierre, it's a Viral Jungle out there.

[quote] “Don’t panic. Keep calm.” is not helpful.

No, it is helpful, R168. Anxiety & stress is a contributing factor to lower immune function - so reminding people to stay calm IS actually helpful.

And reminding people not to give in to a panicky stampede (e.g. buying up supplies in a panic like for the apocalypse) is also helpful. Because mass anxiety has already resulted in many people buying up 50 packs of everything, leading to shortages for other people.

[quote] For some reason, however, “keep calm” is a very popular reaction in certain circles (but not amongst any epidemiologists

No, it’s the official reaction among UK epidemiologists.

[quote] Perhaps “keep calm” helps some people feel better about their own inaction

And what “action” precisely am I supposed to be taking right now? It’s an airborne virus (so it’s incredibly easily transmitted, similar to the airborne flu). Should everyone just stop breathing? Should everyone walk 6 feet away from each other for the next 18 months?

Inaction is actually the best strategy for most citizens. Stay home as much as possible and don’t try to lead an overly active, social lifestyle right now.

[quote] In China, tens of millions were put on lock-down and two new hospitals were built by the time they reached the statistics that the US has now.

China is the epicentre (as it also was for the recent SARS virus, etc). So it’s not like they have any choice other than full lockdown in the epicentre and building more hospitals for the epicentre (which they need because many recent viruses originate exactly in China).

China can build new hospitals in a matter of days because they have the most gigantic construction workforce in the world. But their quick construction is not always the best - a building housing quarantined patients recently collapsed in China, killing some and injuring many.

[quote] Italy waited too long

A lockdown delays the virus - it doesn’t necessarily stop it. As soon as the lockdown is lifted - people will start travelling and potentially getting infected again. Because it’s a foreign virus - so visitors from abroad can bring it into the country again at any time.

The only thing that could have prevented this virus from spreading to Italy was a complete ban on all travel into the country. But, in our global world, a country can’t survive for long in complete isolation. It will eventually have to open up its borders - and people will still get infected at that point.

[quote] If you have nothing more to contribute SHUT THE FUCK UP.

“Shut the fuck up” yourself, dear. Scientists are suggesting that this virus might become a seasonal / recurrent winter one. So many people may still get it sooner or later.

Reading about what the St. Louis cunts did is really making my blood boil. The mother allegedly went to Lifetime Fitness, got her nails did, went to a gourmet grocery store and also to Schnucks. Daddy took the younger high school kid to a school dance. This all allegedly happened after they were told to self quarantine.

There is a case in my area on the Kansas side with little to no information about possible transmission areas! Heifer is now in the hospital a couple of miles from me. The lack of real information is mindboggling.

This is why we need links! otherwise it’s mucking up the information flow.

“Ohio school districts asked to prepare for possibility of coronavirus closures“.

So NOT closed yet.

CNN-“Extraordinary” demand is threatening availability of key coronavirus testing tool, manufacturer says

The maker of a critical tool required to run the coronavirus test kit used in US public health labs is facing a surge in demand that is challenging its capacity to deliver the product, according to the company.

Qiagen, whose tool helps extract viral genetic information from patient samples, said in a tweet Tuesday that it has established a “task force” to “evaluate incoming orders in this period of extraordinary demand.”

A shortage of its products could threaten to further delay coronavirus testing across the country, because Qiagen’s tools are required to run -- but not included in -- the coronavirus test kit distributed by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

On Monday, the company said it had “not seen any near-term impacts from the coronavirus outbreak on supplies of materials and components,” but it said that increasing demand “may lead to backorders with delayed delivery or reduced allocation of affected product.”

The tool is a necessary step in testing for the novel coronavirus; it removes RNA, the genetic code of the virus, from a patient’s throat swab or cough sample. That RNA, extracted from a patient specimen, is then compared against snippets of the virus itself, determining whether a patient has been infected with the virus.

CDC Director Dr. Robert Redfield acknowledged the potential shortage of the tool on Tuesday in an interview with Politico.

The US Food and Drug Administration, which oversees laboratory tests in the US, said that a similar tool developed by another company, Roche, could be used in its place. But that could require labs to acquire auxiliary equipment for Roche’s platform and retrain staff who run the tests – leading to further delays.

Good News:

Coronavirus: South Korea’s infection rate falls without citywide lockdowns like China, Italy. Officials attribute the decrease to mass testing, improved public communication and the use of advanced technology

R101, it's probably too late for us. My kid and a few thousand others around town had already been mixing and mingling in the first day of day camp for several hours by the time we got the email from the school.

Seasonal allergies have begun so people are sneezing-- the most fastidious handwashing isn't going to protect people from that. They said the guy was self-quarantined for the past week, but you said he was at Costco the other day. It's looking like a foregone conclusion. It's going to blow up here in the next ten days.

R203, Meals on Wheels volunteers-- what are they going to do?

R96

This isn't about one's likelihood to die from CV. It's about many people getting sick at the same time and overwhelming a healthcare system that already runs on razor thin margins. This is a long illness. Hospital bed and ICU turnover will be very slow. Once all of our healthcare resources are consumed, younger and healthier people outside of the 70-80 range will also die when they can't get care. And you don't believe me, look at the other countries in the world that have this exact scenario playing out right now. We're only a couple weeks behind their timelines and we are LESS prepared, with our Psychopath-in-Chief lies faster than the CDC can bungle test kits.

[quote]Provided that you’re under the age of 70-80, you’re MORE likely to die from a motor vehicle crash than from any virus. So feel free to freak out about “killer cars” instead.

All car accident victims don't storm the hospitals at one time.

[quote]And ca. 60,000+ people died during the recent 2017-2018 flu season (including 200 kids) - but, again, no one gave a heck about such “boring” deaths.

Did you snooze your way though middle school math?

Yes, the flu kills tens of thousands per year, but that’s after having infected tens of millions. By contrast, COVID-19 has “only” killed about 3,800 people, but it’s also “only” infected just over 100,000 in three months. The flu's infection and mortality rates are somewhat predictable. COVID-19 is new and unpredictable (and without any treatment or vaccine). Flu: 0.01-0.02%. COVID-19: 2-3.5%. Give CV a full year of spread and fatalities, and it will kill far more people than the flu.

See if you can get an eighth grader to decipher that for you.

I feel like I can control dying in a car accident by being a good driver and watching out for others. Also with the regular flu I can take precautions. This virus is scary because it seems so uncontrollable.

You did make me feel better r96 when you say the average age of death is 80. They usually us 60 year olds in that group.

Just received an offer for an Alaskan cruise. The promise a "clean and healthy" vacation. As if

If the Walmart whisperer is telling the truth, then that is breaking news.

The cruise ships need to stand down for the time being.

There is a time for calmness and order, and a time for sheer panic.

Just look at the freaking buffoon who is pretending to run this nation, and pretending to have our backs!

Trust me ......... It's definitely time to freaking PANIC !

These republicans are going to get us all killed.

[quote][R102] The virus may have been circulating for some time, but it is just now peaking.

[bold]Peaking?[/bold] Have you not seen the numbers? This is exponential spread. Every person infected will infect many others. It's unstoppable, uncontainable. It's only just begun. The basic principle of compounding is covered in this video. Apply that to this situation and you'll see that we. are. fucked.

Speaking of remedial math R212, the denominator in that 2-3.5% mortality rate you quoted is almost certainly significantly understated (many cases where people were ill and didn't go to the doctor, and certainly many cases where people weren't tested and therefore not captured in the "infected" count). Therefore the resulting % may be significantly overstated. There just isn't enough data to know yet.

NYT reports today feds stopped earlier testing efforts in WA state..this is Rumps Chernobyl

I'm too old to be wasting precious time posting links.

Get off the damn phone and look it up yourself, junior.

I wonder if it's true that the virus is dying out in China or is it just propaganda? Anyone who spoke the truth was arrested.

the testing was delayed for 2 weeks in WA because the patient had no travel history to China. fucking cunts!

In the US, will the doctors be choosing who lives like in Italy when there are too many patients? i.e. let the older patients die and save the younger ones?

CNN-Jamaica has confirmed its first coronavirus case

The patient is a Jamaican woman that was in the UK recently but arrived back on the island on March 4. She has been in isolation since Sunday.

CNN-Uber may temporarily suspend accounts of riders and drivers with coronavirus

Uber said it is considering suspending the accounts of riders and drivers who have contracted the novel coronavirus or have been "exposed" to it.

"We have a team available 24/7 to support public health authorities in their response to the epidemic. Working with them, we may temporarily suspend the accounts of riders or drivers confirmed to have contracted or been exposed to COVID-19," the company said in a statement. "We’re also consulting with an epidemiologist to make sure our efforts as a company are grounded in medical advice."

Here are some of the other steps the company said it would take:

Drivers or delivery persons diagnosed with the virus or asked to self-isolate by a public health authority will receive financial assistance for up to 14 days while their account is on hold. Uber said it has already offered assistance to drivers in some areas and is "working to quickly implement this worldwide."

Providing drivers with disinfectants

Allowing Uber Eats customers to ask delivery people to leave food at the door

And of course, people will continue to travel ..........

"Just now peaking" lol

[quote]China has a population of 1.4 BILLION. 3,000 deaths out of 1.4 billion is .02%. This hysteria is ridiculous.

R136, were you dropped on your head as an infant? Lobotomized?

The problem lies in the virus' R0 and mortality rate. Extrapolate the data, and you will see that this is indeed cause for great concern. Go huff some more gasoline.

“She was the most beautiful woman of all time...“

R223 Well, China is already planning when to restart schools and the medical staff from other provinces already left Wuhan to go back home. But to the crazy paranoid anti-China people, everything in China is a virtual reality simulation created by the Communist Party.

🌅 Buongiorno, Everybody ......

It's 8:00 a.m. and I'm on Spring Break. Just hangin' out because my Nile River Cruise was cancelled. (😂 HaHaHa)

Is the coffee ready yet?

Have an Above Average Day !

FUCK CHINA!!!!! Let's not forget that they have a dog meat festival every year where tens of thousands of dogs are consumed. (yes, I know they eat dogs in korea too, not shedding a tear for them either)

FUCK THEM CUNTS!!!

[quote]A lockdown delays the virus - it doesn’t necessarily stop it.

That would be the whole fucking point, Princess Daffodil. It can't be stopped. Our only hope is to save our healthcare system from collapse by not have everyone get sick at the same time.

Why do you hate baby calfs and piglets so much, R234?

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[quote] We're only a couple weeks behind their timelines and we are LESS prepared, with our Psychopath-in-Chief lies faster than the CDC can bungle test kits.

R212, how are you LESS prepared? I’m in London and all my local convenience stores have been out of even BASIC soap and hand sanitiser for days now. The health minister here is telling everyone that the ‘main’ preventative measure is to simply use soap or sanitiser - but many pharmacies & stores are even out of both, lol! Total circus. Schools aren’t closed, gyms aren’t closed, pubs aren’t closed. People are being asked to simply stay home if they get mild-to-moderate “flu-like” symptoms - and not even to get tested in a hospital! (Because they probably know they don’t have enough test-kits for everyone). No one is even monitoring if people actually stay at home or not - everyone just does whatever the heck they want.

In Italy, they were so unprepared that they had to treat patients in CORRIDORS (they didn’t prepare enough hospital rooms).

I honestly question how you can be less prepared than this European circus.

[quote] Did you snooze your way though middle school math? ... Give CV a full year of spread and fatalities, and it will kill far more people than the flu. See if you can get an eighth grader to decipher that for you.

Did YOU snooze your way through elementary English class? Because you lack reading comprehension skills. Show me where you deliriously think I said that influenza has a higher mortality rate - go on, show me. You can’t - because I never said that. You’re just projecting your own strawman thoughts on me and then arguing with yourself. And you missed the entire point because you can’t read properly. I said that nobody gave a heck about the recent 60,000+ (!) US influenza deaths! After that season, 55% of US citizens STILL didn’t bother getting a flu shot. I was pointing out the hypocrisy of everyone freaking out now but not even doing much to stop even the regular flu epidemic from killing many, many thousands a few seasons ago. Apparently those 60,000+ flu virus fatalities are too ‘boring’ to matter - only Coronavirus deaths matter apparently. Go figure.

He looks like a nice guy.

I hate to be the one the doctors choose to die.

He looks like a nice guy.

I hate to be the one the doctors choose to die.

[quote]I wonder if it's true that the virus is dying out in China or is it just propaganda?

R223, I have daily contact with people in various major cities in China. Infection rates are down because people aren't going anywhere. Even in cities and provinces where lockdowns have been eased or lifted altogether, people are staying home. Hubei province is still on full lockdown.

China In Your Hand - T'Pau (a bigger hit in Europe then here the US).

This should be the next thread title (complete with playable song).

DEATHS: 4,295

Wake me up when it gets to over 600,000 world wide...which is how many people died from the flu LAST YEAR.

I Nominate "Live and Let Die" for the next thread title.

MSNBC's Stephanie "Jugs" Ruhle brought up a good point on Twitter: These college kids who are being told not to come back after spring break paid out the nose for room and board for a full semester. Will they get some of their money back? What about those who don't have a convenient home to go back to?

[quote] All car accident victims don't storm the hospitals at one time.

All people that get CV don’t necessarily storm the hospitals at one time either, R212. The majority of cases are mild-to-moderate - and most infected people in London are being told to simply self-isolate and recover by staying home. Because there’s no cure for it in the hospital anyway. Only severe cases are hospitalised (where people need assistance breathing, etc).

St. Patrick's Day Parade cancelled in Philly.

NYC Half Marathon cancelled.

NBA says they may "relocate games to other cities." Why? So they can spread The Corona to even more locations?

Washington State Governor Jay Inslee shutting down all events over 250 people in Seattle metro area.

Not another Bond title even though live and let Die is a good one.

Nothing will top The Seventh seal one with Max Von Sydow dying a week later.

TEN nursing homes in Washington State are now infected with The Corona !

If Looks Could Kill - Heart

Why shouldn't the thread titles (as well as the music) be stimulating?

How does a nursing home become infected? No one visits.

[quote]All people that get CV don’t necessarily storm the hospitals at one time either, [R212]. The majority of cases are mild-to-moderate - and most infected people in London are being told to simply self-isolate and recover by staying home. Because there’s no cure for it in the hospital anyway. Only severe cases are hospitalised (where people need assistance breathing, etc).

R247, the percentage cases that do need medical intervention will be enough to trigger systematic healthcare failure in any country. Your inability to engage with reality doesn't change anything.

You guys are so afraid to die.

Sweet Jesus, do these college kids really need a refund for extra beer and assorted pharmaceuticals. If I was in college student at this point in time, screw the money and everything else, I would have had my ass home a week or two ago.

And I'm betting a lot of spoiled kids with rich parents paidvfir the cost of that dorm room or apartment.

Right now it's all about compromise. Things are gonna change big time. You decide if you want to live or die.

As requested, R187.

Also, R247, do you care to pull any more misinformation out of your ass?

[quote]Dr. Daniele Macchini, who works at the Humanitas Gavazzeni hospital in the northern city of Bergamo, warned in a lengthy post on Facebook about the dangers of complacency in the relentless war against the insidious virus.

[quote]“After much thought about whether and what to write about what is happening to us, I felt that silence was not responsible,” Macchini wrote in his post, as translated by Dr. Silvia Stringhini, an epidemiologist and researcher at the Geneva University’s Institute of Global Health.

[quote]“I will therefore try to convey to people far from our reality what we are living in Bergamo in these days of Covid-19 pandemic. I understand the need not to create panic, but when the message of the dangerousness of what is happening does not reach people I shudder,” he said.

[quote]“I myself watched with some amazement the reorganization of the entire hospital in the past week, when our current enemy was still in the shadows: the wards slowly ’emptied,’ elective activities were interrupted,” he continued in the chilling post, which was shared more than 29,000 times.

[quote]“All this rapid transformation brought an atmosphere of silence and surreal emptiness to the corridors of the hospital that we did not yet understand, waiting for a war that was yet to begin and that many (including me) were not so sure would ever come with such ferocity,” he said.

[quote]“I still remember my night call a week ago when I was waiting for the results of a swab. When I think about it, my anxiety over one possible case seems almost ridiculous and unjustified, now that I’ve seen what’s happening. Well, the situation now is dramatic to say the least,” Macchini added.

[quote]“The war has literally exploded and battles are uninterrupted day and night. But now that need for beds has arrived in all its drama. One after the other the departments that had been emptied fill up at an impressive pace.

[quote]“The boards with the names of the patients, of different colors depending on the operating unit, are now all red and instead of surgery you see the diagnosis, which is always the damned same: bilateral interstitial pneumonia.”

[quote]The doctor urged people not to describe COVID-19 as a bad case of the flu.

[quote]“Now, explain to me which flu virus causes such a rapid drama. … And while there are still people who boast of not being afraid by ignoring directions, protesting because their normal routine is ‘temporarily’ put in crisis, the epidemiological disaster is taking place,” he said.

[quote]“And there are no more surgeons, urologists, orthopedists, we are only doctors who suddenly become part of a single team to face this tsunami that has overwhelmed us.

[quote]“Cases are multiplying, we arrive at a rate of 15-20 admissions per day all for the same reason. The results of the swabs now come one after the other: positive, positive, positive. Suddenly the E.R. is collapsing.”

[quote]Describing every available ventilator as “gold,” Macchini said the doctors and nurses working at his side are exhausted.

I'm not afraid to die. I'm afraid HOW I'm going to die.

Do either of the Frisco Fraus know any lipgloss and Prada queens from Dallas?

Not only do a lot of people visit nursing homes on a regular basis, a lot of relatives who live out of town pour in over the holidays. We just celebrated Christmas, and Easter is coming soon. Do the math.

Also, a large portion of visitors are elderly people who come to visit their elderly friends. Nursing homes all over the country will be hit hard if they don't clamp down on visitors.

Calm down gurls. New cases are dramatically lower in China over the last 2 weeks. Same will happen here (after they skyrocket) eventually...

[quote]New cases are dramatically lower in China over the last 2 weeks.

Yes, after imposing quarantines, lockdowns, travel restrictions, and mandatory social isolation measures on at least 750 million people. It has nothing to do with the virus relenting.

It's not uncommon for nursing home workers, especially CNA's to work a second job in another nursing home.

Many nursing homes use temp agencies to compensate for call offs, thus you have a group of health care worker who go from nursing home to nursing on a daily basis.

This is another factor that adds to the large number of cases.

R260 it was just a bad joke. My sister and me visited my mother almost every day and my other brother and sisters started coming a few months before she died.

Not everyone in nursing homes are old. One of the Washington victims was a nursing home patient in his 40s.

MOST of the people in nursing homes tend to be elderly but anyone who is in a weakened state from an illness or surgery who needs nursing during recovery can be admitted.

If stores went to curbside pick up how can people use their EBT cards? I order delivery from my supermarket sometimes and I have to use a credit card.

We have a test, but FDA is refusing to approve it. I got this second hand so I can’t be sure exactly, but it sounds like they are just ignoring the application. I’ll try to get more information today.

[quote] the percentage cases that do need medical intervention will be enough to trigger systematic healthcare failure in any country. Your inability to engage with reality doesn't change anything.

R254, any country? Britain already had systematic healthcare failure during multiple winter seasons, regardless of CV. During many winters, patients were treated in corridors because there weren’t enough rooms. Does it suck? Yes. Is it cause for mass anxiety? No, the system already experienced crises way before CV and hospitals found ways to cope.

[quote] Sky News (reporting about the situation every winter season): “Treating A&E patients in hospital corridors is becoming the new norm, according to nurses. The problem is so widespread that almost half of those polled said the term "corridor nursing" is formally used in their hospital.

I second R245's nomination for next thread title.

Here in the US our non-response is due to Trump and his incompetent fascist cronies (I mean, if you're gonna have fascism, at least try to find some competent ones!) What's the deal with the UK? Is this a case of British arrogance? Of the perverse British attitude that "making a fuss" about something is literally worse than death?

Mad dogs and Englishmen....

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Read this. The West is fucking up, badly.

[quote]What's the deal with the UK? Is this a case of British arrogance? Of the perverse British attitude that "making a fuss" about something is literally worse than death?

It's all that money that had been going to the EU when it should have been going to the NHS.

Little England Prevails!

Juilliard is shutting down, and I would imagine Lincoln Center will follow suit within the next few days. It’s the height of the season, but given the vast majority of the Lincoln Center audience is ancient, there’s no way they can continue to ignore it.

[quote] What's the deal with the UK? Is this a case of British arrogance? Of the perverse British attitude that "making a fuss" about something is literally worse than death? Mad dogs and Englishmen....

R270, Italians are actually the ones infecting many "Englishmen" - but, sure, let's all blame the "Englishmen" for Italy becoming a viral epicentre in Europe.

The number of deaths in Spain (35), France (33) and the US (28) exceed those in the UK. But, sure, let's blame the "arrogant" approach in the UK. As if neighbouring France and Spain are doing any better.

[quote] Little England Prevails!

You joke, r273, but ironically closing off the border for at least a few months until the summer would have helped delay the spread of the virus and ease the load on the NHS (there are usually more hospital beds available in the summer, so it would have been easier to cope with the virus and treat patients in the summer).

But of course immediately preventatively closing the border (with China but also with the EU which was via Italy, Spain and France) would then have people yelling about "xenophobia", "racism", etc. I guess people would rather get infected with Coronavirus then come across as racist or xenophobic.

Yeah because of travel to Italy. You can't blame Italy it was probably brought there by the Chinese

*which was compromised via

R275 Touchy Brit, are we? Read more closely. I wasn't questioning the SPREAD, or how it came to be in the UK, I am questioning the pathetic lack of effective response. Because I expected better.

⏳ CORONA TIME 9:00 AM EST

🌎 GLOBAL :

CASES: 121,312

DEATHS: 4,379

CRITICAL: 5,751

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES :

CASES: 1,016

D

I am wondering if the virus was already in Europe last year. End of October I met with a Chinese client and approx. 10 days later I was so sick like never before. 3 weeks of fever, coughing all the time, everything hurt. Maybe I already had it and did not know.

At this rate, there'll be no Italians under the age of 75 left by summer

Looks like the mortality rate has been in a holding pattern of 3.6%

^^^ ⏳CONTINUED:

DEATHS: 31

CRITICAL: 10*

*Ten appears to be the new magic number, bi I personally think it's way off.

Is going to be a great day when we no longer have to track Corona stats.

Stay clean + Stay home

On the serious, I woke up with a cough and no other symptoms. I'm having a real debate with myself about whether or not I should go to work. I'm immune compromised and work in a health care setting.

R285 No debating it; stay home. No need to infect everyone!

I'm feeling rundown but I think it's to do with the change in time this past weekend. Springing forward always takes me awhile to adjust.

[quote] I wasn't questioning the SPREAD, or how it came to be in the UK, I am questioning the pathetic lack of effective response. Because I expected better.

R279, you "expected better" even though it's already been publicly discussed for many years now that the NHS is in a budget deficit crisis? What exactly did you "expect" from an already over-loaded free public health system?

As for the "pathetic lack of a response" - closing off the border in good time would have been THE most effective preventative measure against the virus. So how it spread and where it spread from IS exactly relevant. Not letting risky groups from Asia and Italy cross the border would have been much more effective than telling everyone to stay in their homes (a measure which many will violate anyway).

Up to 70% of the population is likely to be infected with the coronavirus that is currently spreading around the world, German Chancellor Angela Merkel says, adding that since there was currently no cure the focus had to be on slowing its spread.

“When the virus is out there, the population has no immunity and no therapy exists, then 60% to 70% of the population will be infected,” she told a news conference in Berlin. “The process has to be focused on not overburdening the health system by slowing the virus’s spread... It’s about winning time.”

Why can't we have her in the US?

You can have her, R290.

I don't begrudge her the marriage equality vote. She declined to whip her party over it and knew it was going to pass regardless.

I don't want to get this virus! Please I hope the warm weather kills it!

people in their 40s are in ICU! FUCK THAT! I don't want to die! FUCK CHINA!

I just heard about this virus today, only read about it in a headline; what have I missed?

DEADLINE: In what is a first for Hollywood in the ever expanding global health crisis, a member of the production team for Fox’s upcoming neXt has tested positive for the ever expanding coronavirus.

The individual is a Californian who traveled to the Chicago for the filming of the series, which wrapped production last week. The person is receiving treatment in Chicago.

Former Mad Men star John Slattery is the lead of the A.I .thriller drama pilot from 20th Century Fox TV

And Wall Street is back to panicking.

R294 = Rip Van Winkle ?

Norwegian Cruise Line has asked its sales team to actively lie to people to keep their reservations.

R294 You'll be probably be safe if you crawl back to wherever you just came from.

$ [italic] Money Makes The World Go Round

🚫 But There's Never Enough To Go Around

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From WSJ, behind a paywall:

Marc Thibault, a 48-year-old man from Rhode Island who was one of the first Americans to be diagnosed with Covid-19, shared his experiences with WSJ. The married father of two, who is a vice principal of student life at a private Catholic school, tested positive after returning from a school trip to Europe that went through Italy.

Mr. Thibault had no symptoms during the trip, but he felt unusually sluggish on the flight back to the U.S.

“Something is wrong,” he told his wife when he finally got home to Rhode Island near midnight on Saturday, Feb. 22. He went straight to bed, and then the next day, went to a walk-in clinic. Mr. Thibault has asthma, but he exercises everyday and said he rarely gets sick.

He stayed home from work, but just got worse, with growing fatigue, a dry cough and something that resembled bronchitis. He went to a hospital but was again told he didn’t meet the criteria for the test, he said.

Doctors there were concerned, however, and Mr. Thibault said he quickly got a call from the Rhode Island Department of Health, which told him to get tested immediately.

By later in the week, Mr. Thibault was at the Miriam Hospital, where he was admitted. He tested positive for the virus.

He says the virus now hit him “like a hurricane.” He was weak and had trouble breathing. The hospital whisked him into the ICU, where nurses donned hazmat-style suits to enter his room.

They inserted a breathing tube, and put another tube down his throat for medicine to deal with pneumonia that developed in his lungs, he said.

Gagging and coughing, Mr. Thibault said he felt scared. His lungs would fill with saliva and nurses would dash in and clear them out, only to have to do it again two hours later.

“The feeling of choking. That was the worst part,” he said. “You feel like you’re asphyxiating, and you’re panicking because you can’t breathe.”

The agony went on for days.

Last week, he forced himself to write a note to his wife, telling her that if his lungs collapsed, to not keep him on life support.

Slowly he began to get better. The doctors took out his breathing tube and to his relief, his lungs picked up the pace.

“It almost killed me,” he said. “It’s alarming when I hear people minimize it as a simple cold. It was no simple cold for me.”

[quote]"The Coronavirus can only survive in cold temperatures, so the Caribbean is a fantastic choice for your next cruise," one talking point reads.

[quote]"Scientists and medical professionals have confirmed that the warm weather of the spring will be the end of the Coronavirus," a second says.

[quote]Another line instructs that "the Coronavirus cannot live in the amazingly warm and tropical temperatures that your cruise will be sailing to."

My elderly mother wanted me to pickup some items from Walmart this morning. I saw the produce manager cough into both hands and then start touching produce. An old man shouted "Good God man, just get a gun and shoot us".

I think I will probably die from Clorox wipes poisoning.

They have the virus in Malaysia and Singapore and the winter temp there is in the 80's to low 90's (F). So why would balmy spring temps in the Americas kill off the virus?

R302 I wanted to hear from people who actually got sick. This is terrifying.

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[quote] You can't blame Italy it was probably brought there by the Chinese

So who should we blame for the situation getting so out of hand in Italy, R277? Mike Pompeo? Of course it was brought there by the Chinese (it's the epicentre) - but Italy is not winning any crisis-management top awards either - it helped spread it more to nearby countries and only went into lockdown now.

R301 Cheers for posting that... I watched an interview on Ch4 with this Doc; I shall try to find a link... He had mentioned he has a twenty year-old on a ventilator, and has seen healthy 30s and 40s patients require ICU.

Though this L strain is thought to be worse in Italy, the developments do not bode well for the rest of us, as Italians were streaming out to UK/US unchecked.

ABC says all of its talk shows and live shows will be audience free for the time being. This includes the View, Tamron Hall, and Live with Kelly and Ryan.

NYT: For weeks, thousands of flu samples sat in Seattle as researchers sought to test and flag them for coronavirus. The C.D.C. wouldn’t allow it.

When testing did happen, it was too late. The virus was upon us.

So when you're in the ICU and tubed, how do you go to the bathroom? they make you wear diapers?

Next gayified thread title:

To Wu Flu, Thanks for Everything, Julie Noted

We've used that one already, R313.

Reuters @Reuters · 4m

Number of confirmed coronavirus cases in UK rises to 456 from 373 a day earlier

The cases in Malaysia and Singapore haven't exploded the way they have in Italy and S.Korea. Maybe they are handled better or maybe it's the weather or combination of both...who knows. Singapore is very strict and you can go to jail or heavy fine for lying about your travel history etc...

The administration’s response is now a Naked Gun movie.

r285, take your temperature. If you have a fever, call the local hotline.

CNN-Chicago St. Patrick's Day parade canceled because of coronavirus concerns

When is NYC gonna announce? De Blasio is gonna kill us all.

CNN-Trump administration considers delaying the April 15 tax deadline

The idea has been discussed among White House and Treasury Department officials over the past few days, the people said. The IRS would likely extend the deadline by at least several months or waive fees associated with late filing.

The possible delay in the deadline was reported earlier today by the Wall Street Journal.

R312 Yes, they do actually. And a catheter for urine.

Good interview with Dr. Garcelli on the frontlines. It's portends what is to come here in the States eventually unless the proper measures are taken. I see no alternate endpoint. Schools need to close, travel should be shut down, (especially no more allowed from hot zones into the UK/US).

Measures taken now could be less costly in the long run, if spread can be stemmed. Allowing business as usual does NOT protect GDP and economies.

R312 Either some sort of bedpan if you're conscious enough to be able to "ask" for it and there's enough people to take care of you, or diapers. But since then you'll eat via feeding tube, you won't poop much. Also you might have a urinary catheter or a penile sheath.

Brief clip from the Joe Rogan interview with Michael Osterholm at r66; basically:

Predicts that it will be 10 to 15 times worse than the flu, with 96 million cases and 480,000 deaths, lasting 3 to 6 months

Underlying health issues that exacerbate the illness: smoking, obesity, hypertension

Try to avoid social events at all, especially if you're over 50

83 new cases in the UK in one day.

R26 I've been wondering this for a while we had a very intense respiratory infection blow through town (this is in Texas) the week before Christmas. I had it- high fever, phlegmy cough and chest congestion, severe fatigue. No sneezing though.

I caught it at work. I know who brought it in too because he tried to call in sick the weekend before Christmas and was told to come in. About half our staff came down with it in the next couple of days, followed by the same happening at my other job Christmas Eve. I went to the doctor and tested negative for the flu, but the doc thought it was viral and put me on steroids and anti-histamines. It took me three days to get over the fever and a couple of weeks to stop coughing.

R334 that would be about 1000 deaths per state.

That’s a lot of people.

Yes, r327, but it's not clear to me if he's saying 480,000 worldwide or 480,000 in the US.

Brian Tyler Cohen:

Trump blames OBAMA for handling of coronavirus outbreak

Say DL experts, what do you think are the chances that doing all this antibacterial everything will make another mutation that is bigger and badder?

NJ guy who died yesterday worked in Westchester at Yonkers Raceway. He probably picked it up there from someone infected by the New Rochelle cluster. He also had diabetes.

R330 Antibacterials are just that... they do NOT kill virus. The detergent action of these hand soaps, and the solvent effects of sanitisers dissolve the lipid layer of the viral "envelope". Thus, I do not see any scientific reason disinfecting and washing could promote mutations.

BREAKING NEWS ...

John Travolta was hospitalized for suspected COVID-19, but doctors now confirm that it was only Saturday Night Fever, and they assure everyone that he is Staying Alive.

Apparently he had chills that were multiplying

BREAKING NEWS ...

John Travolta was hospitalized for suspected COVID-19, but doctors now confirm that it was only Saturday Night Fever, and they assure everyone that he is Staying Alive.

Apparently he had chills that were multiplying

That TV series The Leftovers is going to have a lot more relevance by the time this ordeal is over.

Fuck, I started sneezing and have a low level sore throat. I'm 99% sure it's the usual spring allergies and post nasal drip malady. But my manager is coming into town tomorrow and we have a half day client meeting on Friday. I don't want to look like I'm ducking work...but don't want to make the client uncomfortable if I'm sneezing.

[quote]Dr. Anthony Fauci was asked this morning about Trump cutting the NSC desk that would have handled coronavirus.

[quote]"We worked well with them. It would be nice if it was still around."

Let's hope Trump doesn't kick him off the task force.

There is an article in the NY post that people with mild symptoms are very infectious, 1000 times more than SARS or something, on mobile, can't post

r336, try an OTC allergy med and see if it alleviates your symptoms. If it does, voila! It's allergies. If you have no temperature, go to work and tell people you have allergies and are taking an OTC medicine. Wash your hands. Carry tissues. Don't shake hands with people. Although I don't know why you have people coming into town, most companies are suspending unnecessary travel and doing everything by phone and video.

NYPOST: Coronavirus patients with mild symptoms are likely to be extremely contagious soon after being infected with the bug, a new study says.

Researchers revealed in the study published in the medRxiv journal that people with mild cases emit high rates of the virus during the first five days after infection, the Telegraph reported.

The study, which has not been peer-reviewed, looked at nine patients who tested positive and determined those with just cold symptoms could be very contagious.

“You don’t have to be seriously ill to pass the virus onto other people,” Dr. Clemens Martin Wendtner, who is the study’s co-author, told the Telegraph.

The period when these patients are most infectious — known as “peak shedding” — shows the virus being emitted at a rate 1,000 times higher than during the same time for people infected with SARS, the report said.

R337, if there's even a functioning CDC or Health Services after Trump's budget cuts.

[quote] President Trump’s 2021 budget request. It proposed cutting Health and Human Services funding by $9.5 billion, including a 15 percent cut of $1.2 billion to the CDC and a $35 million decrease to the Infectious Diseases Rapid Response Reserve Fund's annual contribution.

And this is after coronavirus hit.

I wonder if I had it too. (I should be so lucky.) I had a rough cold in early January, then got better for a few days and then got sick again... this time I thought it was flu not cold, because of low fever and aches and pains, but also respiratory symptoms. With my luck it was just run of the mill bugs and I'm still gonna get this one.

R339, no shit, it's my stupid manager and company. The clients and I are in the same city. It's my manager flying in from another state. And my global megacorp is still allowing travel for client meetings. I think that should change to travel only for most critical meetings but I'm just a lowly peon.

Manager insists on carrying on with his travel and this meeting. The client actually sent out an email saying they were converting all their meetings to virtual so people wouldn't have to travel. Then they asked me if I wanted to still meet since we're in the same city. My manager swooped in and said he was still going to fly in...so client agreed to stick with the in person meeting.

The only way this meeting is going to be canceled is if the company sends out a directive stopping all travel, but since my manager is flying tomorrow, it may be too late.

Mt. Sinai high school in Port Jefferson, LI has just cancelled classes. My nephew is a teacher there. He got divorced last year.

I really feel bad for people who are compelled to deal with the law at times like this. By which I mean, people involved in civil suits, or criminal charges, or divorce proceedings. My nephew’s wife was acting like a crazy person for two years during theIr divorce. She has two brothers who are cops so they were coaching her.

She would bait my nephew with verbal abuse and then whip out her camera to catch his reaction. Initially, she said that all she wanted was the house and the kids, but that’s all they have! My nephew is a 6’3” gorilla, but he’s as gentle as a lamb. She’s small, so the optics favored her. She hit her head in the pool a few years ago, and I think that changed her somehow. She used to be sweet. That divorce is over with shared custody. A few weeks ago, she charged my 71 year old sister, her X-mother-in-law, with criminal battery, because my sister hugged her. My sister is a “consoler-nurturer”. So my sister has to deal with court matters now.

I don’t want to go without my US mail or UPS FedEx deliveries. I enjoy that. I know the virus can come in that way, but, “oh, well”.

Oh, thanks for the well wishes, above! And I’m 59 until August - don’t rush me R202! 😜

⏳ CORONA TIME : 12:00 NOON EST

🌎 GLOBAL:

CASES: 122,012

DEATHS: 4,390

CRITICAL: 5,753

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES:

CASES: 1,016

DEATHS : 31

CRITICAL: 10

R343 our boss is still insisting on in person meetings though its clear NO ONE WANTS THEM. He gleefully makes fun of those of us in the office being cautious, using sanitizer etc. Im tempted to approach HR in the corporate location, they haven't issued any directives yet. Seriously i might pop in the next day or two.

Better late than never: WHO officially declares COVID-19 a pandemic.

This is also the beginning of spring seasonal allergies, so many may confuse that with having corona

NYT:

Coronavirus Live Updates: W.H.O. Declares Pandemic as Number of Infected Countries Grows

So this is a contrarian view (especially after the WHOs announcement moments ago) to the prevailing angst, but does not reject the seriousness of the situation.

If you can't access (is paywalled but a Canadian newspaper so many won't have tapped out their freebies) but let me know and will cut and paste. I don't mind stealing for the public good.

The author was Ontario’s chief medical officer of health for 10 years, and was chief of staff at York Central Hospital (a large suburban hospital) during the SARS crisis in 2003.

Maybe the context will provide some... lowering of stress? I hope so. I'm not relaxed after reading it but it gave me some pause for thought.

R347 Well, no shit! I wonder what took them so long!

CNN-CDC director says some coronavirus-related deaths have been found posthumously

During the House Oversight Committee discussion on the novel coronavirus response, the director of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said some deaths from coronavirus have been discovered posthumously.

Rep. Harley Rouda asked CDC director Dr. Robert Redfield if it’s possible that some flu patients may have been misdiagnosed and actually had coronavirus.

"The standard practice is the first thing you do is test for influenza, so if they had influenza they would be positive," Redfield said.

Rouda then asked Redfield if they are doing posthumous testing.

Redfield said there has been "a surveillance system of deaths from pneumonia, that the CDC has; it’s not in every city, ever state, every hospital.”

Rouda followed up and asked, “So we could have some people in the United States dying for what appears to be influenza when in fact it could be the coronavirus?”

The doctor replied that “some cases have actually been diagnosed that way in the United States today.”

The Federal Reserve is delaying processing dollars that have been repatriated from Asia. The Louvre Museum in Paris isn't accepting cash from visitors. And Iran has urged its citizens to stop using bank notes over fears the coronavirus can be transmitted to humans through contaminated objects like cash.

Public health experts believe the novel coronavirus, which causes the potentially deadly COVID-19 disease, is transmittable through "fomites" — surfaces, including paper money, that have been handled by an infected person.

"The belief is that these viruses can stay on surfaces in their fully active states for at least 10 days. That includes cash and all kinds of other surfaces that people normally touch," Dr. Sanjay Maggirwar, chair of the George Washington University School of Medicine's department of microbiology, immunology and tropical medicine, told CBS MoneyWatch. "So certainly with the coronavirus, cash handling is a concern."

9m ago 17:21 - Guardian. Nearly 200 more deaths in Italy since yesterday!

Italy deaths increase by 196 The death toll from the coronavirus in Italy has risen from 631 to 827 in a day, Reuters reports. At the same time, the total number of confirmed Covid-19 cases in the country rose by more than 2,000, from 10,149 on Tuesday to 12,462 today, it says.

Via CNBC carnival cruises consider banning passengers over 70

WHO have finally declared pandemic.

After seeing the number of deaths in Italy, I am even more sceptical about the reported deaths in China, especially before the word got out about the expanding crisis there.

Way to break news, R356.

Wash. State bans gatherings of 250+ and ask schools to prepare for online instructions.

San Fran banning gatherings of 1000.

Meant to write skeptical in above post

CNN-World Health Organization says it's seeing "alarming levels of inaction"

WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said during a press briefing today that the agency is "deeply concerned both by the alarming levels of spread and severity, and by the alarming levels of inaction” when he said the novel coronavirus outbreak is a pandemic.

He added: “We cannot say this loudly enough, or clearly enough, or often enough: All countries can still change the course of this pandemic."

CNN-Denver offers drive-up coronavirus testing

Colorado health officials will offer a drive-up testing lab for novel coronavirus in Denver, according to the state's Department of Public Health and Environment.

The service will be available starting today.

"Individuals must have an order from their doctor confirming they meet the testing criteria and need to be tested, and photo identification that matches the name on the doctor’s order," a department statement said.

Depending on test volume, results will be made available within 72 hours. Individuals getting tested should stay at home while awaiting results, the statement said.

Nothin' to see here, folks:

The White House has ordered federal health officials to treat top-level coronavirus meetings as classified, an unusual step that has restricted information and hampered the U.S. government’s response to the contagion, according to four Trump administration officials.

The officials said that dozens of classified discussions about such topics as the scope of infections, quarantines and travel restrictions have been held since mid-January in a high-security meeting room at the Department of Health & Human Services (HHS), a key player in the fight against the coronavirus.

I heard from a Chinese friend that the virus was already present in China back in November. I think it's very possible that people worldwide were already getting the virus late last year, not knowing what it was.

R358 Lay blame with a wonky site wherein recent posts do not always appear in threads, despite a browser refresh, rather than with repeat posters please.

CNN-Starbucks to offer catastrophe pay and mental health support to employees exposed to coronavirus

Starbucks announced today that it will offer any employee diagnosed or exposed to COVID-19 up to 14 days of catastrophe pay.

"I want you to know that here at Starbucks, you should never have to choose between work and taking care of yourself," Rossann Williams, president of Starbucks US, wrote in a message to employees.

The catastrophe pay is an additional measure on top of sick pay and time off. If Starbucks employees are still unable to work after two weeks, they can access additional pay up to 26 weeks.

Starbucks is also offering employees mental health resources, such as access to free counseling and a meditation app.

What's that I hear? Is it the Death Knell of the cruise ship industry, R355?

r364, Michael Osterholm in his interview with Joe Rogan says that the virus transferred from animals to humans in November in China.

Colbert:

Trump Hasn't Been Tested For Coronavirus Despite Possible Exposure, And Refuses To Take Precautions…

At every possible moment Donald Trump and his team of Republican incompetents chooses the worst possible path. Reuters is now reporting via four administration sources that the White House "has ordered federal health officials to treat top-level coronavirus meetings as classified."

"The officials said that dozens of classified discussions about such topics as the scope of infections, quarantines and travel restrictions" have been held in a secure room—excluding government experts who did not have the requisite security clearances, says Reuters. The administration has literally been keeping coronavirus response discussions secret from some of the government's own experts.

Did it make a difference? It likely did. Reuters quotes an anonymous official as saying "some very critical people" were not allowed in those discussions, which began in January. It also seems evident that the classification was used by the White House, yet again, to withhold information from the public that the White House believed could be damaging to Donald Trump: The news that the now-pandemic was all but certain to arrive here, would have real and damaging effects, and would cost American lives.

0/10 for EST @ R344.

[quote]Wash. State bans gatherings of 250+ and ask schools to prepare for online instructions. San Fran banning gatherings of 1000.

Social distancing is the only thing that will slow (not stop) this. Have our officials learned nothing from the other countries that have and are dealing with this? Declaring gatherings of 250 or 1000 not OK, but gatherings of 249 or 999 are fine, creates confusion. We can't stop the spread and save our economy and social lives at the same time. One or the other.

WHO doesn't use the word "pandemic" for anything internally, so they're basically saying it's a pandemic, but it doesn't mean anything to us.

Anyone else been fighting down panic attacks the past day or so? My partner and I work on a university campus; Monday the kids are back from break. We're FUCKED.

MARY!

Dallas bans Frisco Fraus from crossing 635.

I have to admit my tension is rising. Previously I used to be suspicious of delivered packages because they might contain bedbugs. Now I'm suspicious of them because they might contain bedbugs and/or the new coronavirus.

[quote] They have the virus in Malaysia and Singapore and the winter temp there is in the 80's to low 90's (F). So why would balmy spring temps in the Americas kill off the virus?

From my rudimentary research, it seems that viruses (in general) thrive more in cold temperatures than in warm. So, do your own research, but there may be some truth to that.

[quote]Anyone else been fighting down panic attacks the past day or so? My partner and I work on a university campus; Monday the kids are back from break. We're FUCKED.

R374, yes. I'm connected to China both personally and professionally, and was extremely concerned when I saw images of Hubei officials blocking roads out of Wuhan with boulders and impassible mounds of dirt. Knowing what I know about China, I knew this had to be massive for them to be taking such drastic measures. The exponential spread has begun and by the time our own officials take it seriously, it'll be too late. I've urged friends and family to prepare for weeks and have been mocked, dismissed, and told I'm crazy. Our focus needs to be not on what's happening today, but on what will be happening tomorrow, next week, next month. We had the luxury of advance warning and we squandered it.

R376, I've ordered several packages during my stocking-up process the past few weeks. The boxes will be kept outside for 30 days before I open them. If you need the contest of your boxes now, be careful to disinfect the items and then wash your hands throughly after handling them.

Anyone here still buying fresh produce and meats? I've stocked up on canned vegetables because I am worried about the spread of the virus through food.

R380, my last trip to the store was Saturday. I prepped some vegetables that freeze well, along with meats and even some cheeses. You can also pre-scramble eggs and freeze them in ice cube trays. I don't usually drink juices from concentrate, but it's better to have them that way than not at all. However, it seems unwise to count on a freezer exclusively, especially if we're all house-bound for an extended period (and entering storm season in many parts of the world), so stock up on plenty of nonperishables, too.

R380, Yes, I just bought some fresh produce & plan to eat what I bought. I am planning to get some canned beans, though.

Went to the grocery store today and there is a gym in the strip mall. The gym was packed like it always is.

"Young people capitalize on cheap coronavirus flights: 'If I die, I die'

As people around the world canceled their trips because of fears of the new coronavirus, Ashley Henkel booked three.

Henkel, 20, is taking advantage of cheap flights to see North America. She lives in California's Central Valley, but this summer she'll be in Vancouver, New York City and Portland, Oregon.

A college student itching to travel, she's one of many people staring the deadly virus in the face and saying, "Whatever."

As flight schedules are scaled down and airline stocks plunge, carriers are offering deals that have put air travel within reach for people who usually can't fly.

It's a high-risk, high-reward trip, people say.

More at link

How old are you and your partner, R374? Are either of you immunocompromised?

[quote]A college student itching to travel, she's one of many people staring the deadly virus in the face and saying, "Whatever."

This fool could be infected and spreading the disease to people whose attitudes aren't just "whatever". In a few weeks' time, people like her will be shot.

r386 why wait? She sounds horrible.

Millennial coworker: I'm going to see if I can score tickets to Hamilton.

Me: It's a great show. I hope you don't pick up coronavirus and end up killing your grandmother.

Well, it's about time some of those old fuckers get a taste of their own medicine. (not any of you, I know).

Old People: Climate change? Fake news, who cares? Healthcare? Fuck you, I got mine!

It's official, WHO has declared the Coronavirus a pandemic.

14m ago 20:07 - Guardian. Only in America

Mario Koran A Florida couple onboard a cruise ship stricken with the coronavirus has filed a $1m lawsuit against the boat’s operator, Princess Cruises, for failing to protect passengers amid the global Covid-19 outbreak. The lawsuit filed this week by Ronald and Eva Weissberger in a federal court in Los Angeles reads:

As a result of [Princess Cruises’] lackadaisical approach to the safety of the plaintiffs, its passengers and crew about the Grand Princess, plaintiffs are at actual risk of immediate physical injury.

Great brief article from the NY Times. The last paragraph scared the shit out of me

R392 is worse than Hitler. Paste article please, NYT is pay walled

Reuters:

EXCLUSIVE-U.S. State Department to suspend non-essential travel -sources

Washington Post:

See what working from home has done to San Francisco

NYT

What Does the Coronavirus Do to the Body? Here’s what scientists have learned about how the new virus infects and attacks cells and how it can affect organs beyond the lungs. As cases of coronavirus infection proliferate around the world and governments take extraordinary measures to limit the spread, there is still a lot of confusion about what exactly the virus does to people’s bodies.

The symptoms — fever, cough, shortness of breath — can signal any number of illnesses, from flu to strep to the common cold. Here is what medical experts and researchers have learned so far about the progression of the infection caused by this new coronavirus — and what they still don’t know.

Re R374... I never would have guessed...

NYT continued

How does this coronavirus cause infection? The virus is spread through droplets transmitted into the air from coughing or sneezing, which people nearby can take in through their nose, mouth or eyes. The viral particles in these droplets travel quickly to the back of your nasal passages and to the mucous membranes in the back of your throat, attaching to a particular receptor in cells, beginning there.

Coronavirus particles have spiked proteins sticking out from their surfaces, and these spikes hook onto cell membranes, allowing the virus’s genetic material to enter the human cell.

NCAA Tournament to be held without fans due to coronavirus concerns

NYT continued

That genetic material proceeds to “hijack the metabolism of the cell and say, in effect, ‘Don’t do your usual job. Your job now is to help me multiply and make the virus,’” said Dr. William Schaffner, an infectious disease specialist at Vanderbilt University Medical Center in Nashville

How does that process cause respiratory problems?

As copies of the virus multiply, they burst out and infect neighboring cells. The symptoms often start in the back of the throat with a sore throat and a dry cough.

The virus then “crawls progressively down the bronchial tubes,” Dr. Schaffner said. When the virus reaches the lungs, their mucous membranes become inflamed. That can damage the alveoli or lung sacs and they have to work harder to carry out their function of supplying oxygen to the blood that circulates throughout our body and removing carbon dioxide from the blood so that it can be exhaled.

NYT continued

“If you get swelling there, it makes it that much more difficult for oxygen to swim across the mucous membrane,” said Dr. Amy Compton-Phillips, the chief clinical officer for the Providence Health System, which included the hospital in Everett, Wash., that had the first reported case of coronavirus in the United States, in January.

The swelling and the impaired flow of oxygen can cause those areas in the lungs to fill with fluid, pus and dead cells. Pneumonia, an infection in the lung, can occur.

Some people have so much trouble breathing they need to be put on a ventilator. In the worst cases, known as Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome, the lungs fill with so much fluid that no amount of breathing support can help, and the patient dies.

What trajectory does the virus take in the lungs?

Dr. Shu-Yuan Xiao, a professor of pathology at the University of Chicago School of Medicine has examined pathology reports on coronavirus patients in China. He said the virus appears to start in peripheral areas on both sides of the lung and can take a while to reach the upper respiratory tract, the trachea and other central airways.

NYT continued

Dr. Xiao, who also serves as the director of the Center For Pathology and Molecular Diagnostics at Wuhan University, said that pattern helps explain why in Wuhan, where the outbreak began, many of the earliest cases were not identified immediately.

The initial testing regimen in many Chinese hospitals did not always detect infection in the peripheral lungs, so some people with symptoms were sent home without treatment.

“They’d either go to other hospitals to seek treatment or stay home and infect their family,” he said. “That’s one of the reasons there was such a wide spread

A recent study from a team led by researchers at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai found that more than half of 121 patients in China had normal CT scans early in their disease. That study and work by Dr. Xiao show that as the disease progresses, CT scans show “ground glass opacities,” a kind of hazy veil in parts of the lung that are evident in many types of viral respiratory infections. Those opaque areas can scatter and thicken in places as the illness worsens, creating what radiologists call a “crazy paving” pattern on the scan.

ROME (AP) — Italy says all stores except pharmacies and food markets will be closed in response to the country's new virus outbreak.

Michigan Health Dept: Avoid all gatherings of 100 or more people.

CNN's Jim Acosta today: "What do you say to Americans who are concerned that you're not taking this seriously enough and that some of your statements don't match what your health experts are saying?"

President Trump: "That’s CNN. Fake news."

NYT END

What do scientists still not know about coronavirus patients? A lot. Although the illness resembles SARS in many respects and has elements in common with influenza and pneumonia, the course a patient’s coronavirus will take is not yet fully understood.

Some patients can remain stable for over a week and then suddenly develop pneumonia, Dr. Diaz said. Some patients seem to recover but then develop symptoms again.

Dr. Xiao said that some patients in China recovered but got sick again, apparently because they had damaged and vulnerable lung tissue that was subsequently attacked by bacteria in their body. Some of those patients ended up dying from a bacterial infection, not the virus. But that didn’t appear to cause the majority of deaths, he said.

Other cases have been tragic mysteries. Dr. Xiao said he personally knew a man and woman who got infected, but seemed to be improving. Then the man deteriorated and was hospitalized.

“He was in I.C.U., getting oxygen, and he texted his wife that he was getting better, he had good appetite and so on,” Dr. Xiao said. “But then in the late afternoon, she stopped receiving texts from him. She didn’t know what was going on. And by 10 p.m., she got a notice from the hospital that he had passed.”

Sorry for the long NYT post above. It seemed much shorter when I read it online lol. Please note, I left a few parts out towards the end as it was getting too long.

I just read an article in the Atlantic and one in the Mirror stating that this virus give you permanent lung damage and sometimes permanent organ damage.

Greetings from Zebulon-4. Some of you will die. Some of you won't. You've been through plagues before. Worry or not. You have control over nothing save for what you touch. Good luck.

And the bitch is you can get reinfected R408.

First case in Fredericton, New Brunswick.

First case in Fredericton, New Brunswick.

From the city to the state to the federal level, what our leaders are telling us is a lesson in what NOT to do. All these arbitrary numbers: groups of 250, 500, 1000. Doesn't matter. The virus is endemic. There are tens of thousands of cases already. Only widespread social isolation can slow it (not stop it). We are a nation of fools.

I was at the grocery store today, so I went to the cleaning products isle and picked up a canister of Clorox disinfecting wipes. As I was doing that, a man walked by and said, "You won't need that." Just as soon as he said that, he walked away.

So, the man was either

(A) The Angel of Death telling me that there was no point tn buying the disinfecting wipes because my imminent demise was assured; or

(b) A Deplorable who believes the Coronavirus is a scare drummed up by fake news.

[quote]cleaning products isle

Where on the map is this isle, r424?

[quote]We are a nation of fools.

We always have been. This shit always happens. We have so many films and books about dystopian societies exactly like the one we're currently living in. It's almost hilarious at this point. We're on a ship that's slowly been sinking since apes walked upright.

This is scary and I hope he's wrong. Dr Fauci said 1/3 of the USA will be infected.

Sam Harris came out with a pair of podcasts yesterday and today on the coronovirus; I'm listening to the first one with Nicholas Christakis of Yale and I have to confess it's scaring me: basically predicting hundreds of thousands of people dead.

Harris says he knows specifically of 5 people (who returned from Italy in February) in Los Angeles who have the virus, 2 of them in intensive care, 1 in an induced coma, but that the official count (as of the recording) for LA is only 7 -- so the actual numbers are probably much, much higher than those being reported.

Harris has made both podcasts available for free.

Denver's drive-thru testing.

Testing is free, but you need a doctor’s note, and it’s only open 10 a.m. to 2 p.m. Weds. to Fri. And the site is at 8100 E. Lowry Blvd.

In Italy:

Here’s what I’m going to cover in this article, with lots of charts, data and models with plenty of sources:

How many cases of coronavirus will there be in your area?

What will happen when these cases materialize?

What should you do?

When?

When you’re done reading the article, this is what you’ll take away:

The coronavirus is coming to you.

It’s coming at an exponential speed: gradually, and then suddenly.

It’s a matter of days. Maybe a week or two.

When it does, your healthcare system will be overwhelmed.

Your fellow citizens will be treated in the hallways.

Exhausted healthcare workers will break down. Some will die.

They will have to decide which patient gets the oxygen and which one dies.

The only way to prevent this is social distancing today. Not tomorrow. Today.

That means keeping as many people home as possible, starting now.

As a politician, community leader or business leader, you have the power and the responsibility to prevent this.

You might have fears today: What if I overreact? Will people laugh at me? Will they be angry at me? Will I look stupid? Won’t it be better to wait for others to take steps first? Will I hurt the economy too much?

But in 2–4 weeks, when the entire world is in lockdown, when the few precious days of social distancing you will have enabled will have saved lives, people won’t criticize you anymore: They will thank you for making the right decision.

Full article at link.

Unfortunately as this spreads we will see children dying. Think of all the people you know that have an underlying illness.

yes, that westchester lawyer is supposedly in an induced coma as well!

This is so scary, I don't want permanent lung damage or other organ damage!!!!!

FUCK CHINA!!!!!!

1010 WINS @1010WINS · 9m BREAKING: Usher at 2 Broadway shows tests positive for coronavirus, theaters getting 'deep cleaning'

NEW YORK (1010 WINS) -- An usher at two Broadway shows has tested positive for COVID-19, the disease caused by coronavirus, forcing the venues to aggressively clean the buildings and inform theater-goers, the theater owners announced Wednesday.

The usher -- who is now under quarantine -- worked March 3 to 7 at "Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?.' in previews at the Booth Theater, which seats 766. It stars Laurie Metcalf and Rupert Everett.

The unidentified individual also worked at "Six," in previews at the 1,031-seat Brooks Atkinson Theater on Feb. 25 and March 1.

Wednesday's performance will go on, though. Ticketholders may exchange their tickets for a later date, though.

The Shubert Organization and the Nederlander Organization, which own the venues, issued a joint statement:

I'm fortunate I am retired and can limit my exposure to people. There are so many people that have daily contact with hundreds of people that we have to face the reality that no matter how diligent we are we will probably catch the coronavirus.

Juventus player, Daniele Rugani has been found POSITIVE to Coronavirus. Ronaldo is on that team.

The guy that died in New Jersey is how I imagine BILL TAYLOR would look like.

R385 We're both just under 50 and healthy, but fuck it, I don't want to get the "mild" version. I don't want to pass it to him. Or be quarantined in some barracks -- we have lots of pets.

On the plus side, my university has officially joined the ranks of those telling students not to return from spring break if possible, and have extended break by a week which should give others some time to move out. We go to online classes after that.

Old people and sick people going on cruises...have they lost their minds.

[quote]ROME (AP) — Italy says all stores except pharmacies and food markets will be closed in response to the country's new virus outbreak.

Not just stores, all locales are closed. Restaurants, bars... all hotels (!).....everything expect pharmacies, food stores, banks, newsstands, post offices.

What about the Isle of Lesbos?

32m ago 21:45 - Guardian. Brazil on alert

Dom Phillips Brazil’s confirmed coronavirus cases jumped from 34 on Tuesday to 52 on Wednesday, the health ministry said, as fears about its spread in South America’s biggest country grew.

São Paulo state has the largest number of cases, with 30, followed by Rio de Janeiro, with 13. And 907 suspected cases are still being investigated.

The Enquirer Knows

Wadda abbouda de appsas, uh?

Is there anything that fat fool can say tonight that will mean anything?

I've noticed an increase in the number of Facebook and social media posts from friends and family in the US during past 48 hrs. The news from Europe is starting to shake people up. Finally

He's just going to make it worse. Whenever he panics and has a rushed press conference it's just to save his own ass.

He will insult Democrats, too. He can't help himself.

Now I'm wondering if that "bad cold" that some people got in fall of 2019 was a strain of Corona virus.

I don't often get colds and flus. But I was one of the people who got a cold last fall. It was low-grade, but it lasted forever and did have a respiratory element to it. I'm better now, though, thank goodness.

Italian football (soccer) player who tested positive.

Reuters @Reuters · 5m Egypt's confirmed coronavirus cases increase to 67

Trump will speak at 9:00 tonight (probably more like 9:30 because he likes to be in control so always comes late).

He said he is fully prepared to use the full extent of the Presidency. From any other President this would be reassuring. From this president it is terrifying.

Orlando Sentinel:

Rick Scott calls for temporarily shutting down U.S. borders to tourism, quarantining returning Americans due to coronavirus

We are trying to figure out whether we should pack it up and head to the country or stay put where there are way more people but better hospitals in case we get sick

OMG I'm so hyped! Rugani from football team Juventus has Corona! SPREAD CORONA SPREAD!

These two British homosexuals who go on a lot of cruises got stuck on a ship quarantined briefly in Dubai. They were cleared, but the rest of the cruise was canceled.

These two British homosexuals who go on a lot of cruises got stuck on a ship quarantined briefly in Dubai. They were cleared, but the rest of the cruise was canceled.

Shut it down.

No school, no concerts, no restaurants, only essential functions with extreme caution.

This is a nightmare.

Reuters @Reuters · 4m Italian daily coronavirus deaths jump 31% to 827

[quote]We are trying to figure out whether we should pack it up and head to the country or stay put where there are way more people but better hospitals in case we get sick

Y'all come see me! You know the place.

From the grocery store I go to.

Dear Valued Customer,

At Fry's, our customers are like family. And like you, during these last few weeks we’ve been focused on doing all the things we need to do to keep our families safe and healthy.

As America’s grocer, we’re here for our customers and communities when they need us most, with open stores and openhearted hospitality.

We believe that everyone deserves to have access to fresh, affordable food and essentials, especially in times of uncertainty. That’s why our teams are working so hard to keep our stores clean, open and stocked. That’s why we took the precautionary step on March 2 to limit the number of cold, flu and sanitary products per order…so everyone can have access to the items they need. And that’s why our supply chain teams are working to ensure that the food, medicine and cleaning supplies our customers need are reaching our stores as quickly as possible and are available through our pickup, delivery and ship services.

We activated our preparedness plan several weeks ago, and we continue to monitor the rapidly evolving situation. We’re following guidance from federal, state and local agencies, including the CDC and other health organizations.

Here are the steps we’re taking to protect our customers and associates:

In Our Stores • Cleaning commonly used areas more often, including cashier stations, self-checkouts, credit card terminals, conveyor belts and food service counters, and cleaning shelves when restocking products. • Sanitizing restrooms more frequently and restocking with supplies, including soap, paper towels and hand sanitizer. • Adding extra hand sanitizer at cashier stations, food service counters, and all Pharmacy, The Little Clinic and Starbucks locations. • Wiping down shopping carts, baskets and equipment. • Partnering with our suppliers to replenish high-demand preparedness products. • Continuing to provide our customers with free disinfectant wipes at our store entrances to sanitize their shopping carts or baskets. • Following best practices for safe food handling, as always. For Our Associates • Encouraging our associates to closely monitor their health and well-being. • Providing hand sanitizer and tissues in breakrooms and meeting rooms. • Asking our associates to stay home if they, or someone in their household, are sick. • Providing financial support from our Helping Hands fund – a company-sponsored employee assistance fund – to associates who may be directly affected. • Suspending business air travel for associates through March 31, 2020 and recommending virtual meetings. For Our Customers • Encouraging our customers to follow the CDC’s suggested hygiene practices to reduce the spread of the virus. • Recommending that our customers also practice safe food handling at home. In everything we do, we’re guided by our values and our Purpose: to Feed the Human Spirit. We strive to make decisions that balance the safety of our associates with our commitments to our customers and communities. And above all else, we’ll be there for our communities when they need us most.

Thank you for being a loyal customer.

Rodney McMullen Chairman and CEO"

The super rich are headed to their end of the world bunkers as we speak

This apocalypse is boring. Call me when there are zombies.

23 states have declared a state of emergency due to coronavirus via CNN

Arizona, New Mexico, Arkansas and Washington, DC, all made their declarations today.

Something tells me Denmark will no longer be dubbed “the happiest country in the world.”

I read on twitter that it can stay in the air for 3 hours. so it's not just getting it from others coughing etc. It can also stay on surfaces for 2 -3 days...any of it true?

R458: as in all things, take Twitter with a grain of salt the size of Gibraltar. Like, come on.

Here and there I've seen some likely misinformation on this thread... likely well intentioned, but there is anxiety enough.

For example, sure I read packages were dangerous... well, the link for example, notes we get packages throughout cold and flu season, and we open them. So you might want to take a read. It's sensible content.

Interesting convid109 map. Look at the Nordic countries. 200 - 400 with the virus but zero deaths? What are they doing right?

New York Magazine @NYMag · 19m Researchers at Princeton and UCLA found that the coronavirus can live in the air for up to three hours, and on surfaces for up to three days

FREAKING THE FUCK OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tests Show the Coronavirus Can Live on Some Surfaces for Up to 3 Days

On Wednesday, scientists employed by federal health agencies working with researchers at Princeton and UCLA found that the coronavirus can live in the air for up to three hours, and on surfaces for up to three days. However, the researchers assert that the study does not prove anyone has yet been infected from touching contaminated surfaces or breathing coronavirus particles in the air.

In the study, published Wednesday, the team put COVID-19 into the air with a nebulizer, re-creating what would happen if a patient coughed. The findings, which have not yet been peer-reviewed, showed that the virus remained viable for up to three hours in the air, for four hours on copper surfaces, up to 24 hours on cardboard, and from two to three days on plastic and stainless steel.

The researchers also noted that the viability of the novel coronavirus was similar to that of tests done during the outbreak of SARS in 2003 — suggesting that the ability for the virus to live outside a host does not account for the intensity of the 2020 pandemic. They suggest that the difference in the size of the outbreaks could be contributed to evidence suggesting COVID-19 patients “shed and transmit the virus while pre-symptomatic or asymptomatic.” The study states that other factors “likely to play a role include the infectious dose required to establish an infection, the stability of virus in mucus, and environmental factors such as temperature and relative humidity.”

If verified, the study’s findings would help explain the growing number of “community spread” patients — those who did not have known contact with an infected person. It also suggests the impossibility of containment in the United States this late in the outbreak, as the Trump administration continues to bungle COVID-19 testing. As of Sunday, the U.S. had conducted five tests for every 1 million people, while the United Kingdom and the Netherlands had done around 350. South Korea, which has experienced 60 coronavirus deaths to the United States’ 31, has conducted some 3,692 tests per million people.

POLITICO: Trump is concerned that declaring an emergency would hamper his narrative that the coronavirus is similar to the seasonal flu.

Instead, the president is expected to sign within days what the White House calls a more limited designation to allow the federal government to cover small business loans, paychecks for hourly workers and delay tax bills, giving him a way to begin boosting the economy without waiting for Congress to sign off on an economic stimulus package.

NYC St. Patrick's Day parade cancelled for first time.

Interesting that the Repub paper is reporting this since Fox was playing the CV down. I have relatives down South who are avid Fox watchers and they don't think this is any big deal. Wonder how the Trump will play it tonight. Will he still claim it's all under control?

This is really gonna screw up the fucking election. who is even gonna go to the polls?

It didn't stop people yesterday R466. I imagine the government would issue mail in ballots if it got worse, which we know it will.

I'm in higher ed, and the colleges are falling like dominoes. We are still going, but I expect that we'll be shut down by Monday. It's not necessary about our kids getting sick (they're young and can handle it), but about the liability. When didn't you shut down when everybody else did?

I expect Trump to spend the first 20 minutes of tonight's statement whining about how unfair this virus is to have attacked during his presidency.

[quote] The boxes will be kept outside for 30 days before I open them.

This is way overkill, it's not necessary. The virus needs human cells to live. Just because the virus can be tested on a surface doesn't mean there's enough of it to infect you. You can open your boxes, clean the contents with any kind of wipe or soapy solution to give you peace of mind and then discard the boxes and wash your hands. You'll be fine.

Stay focused on Spain 2188, plus 493 than yesterday, and 49 death. On March 2 Italy had 2034 cases and 52 death: it is the same progression only 9 days late, same mortality rate too. On March 3 Italy has had 2502 cases and 79 death, in total. Germany gives totally unreliable data, 1908 (plus 393) cases and only 3 death and 9 critical, same as yesterday not even one more: each region (Länder) collets indipendently the data and has no obligation to send them to the central government. Look at France 1784 cases,  33 death and 86 serious-critical: is the same trend as in Spain and Italy. The numbers don't lie if you can read them and governments are not so unfair to their citizens to hide the data.

I think it also depends on the culture, Italians don't really care about the law, they do what they want, Germans are more serious and you know they are probably very anal and cleaning everything etc.

[quote]Is there anything that fat fool can say tonight that will mean anything?

Well, r438 "It's a perfect virus, a beautiful virus and Italy is in big trouble. But what a location. I'm in the real estate business, what a location Italy is in. Great deals, big deals can be had. Blah blah blah blah blah.."

R473 LMAO you nailed his speech pattern.

The disparity in death rate between Italy/France/Spain and Germany is indeed very puzzling. Could it be that Germany doesn't associate certain deaths with COVID19 when they should ? After all, you die from complications of COVID19. Something's not right.

Fuck China, R424?

The US had two months of advance warning and nothing. We did the opposite of nothing: slow to rollout test kits and, when we did, they were defective. Our Psychopath-in-Chief and infectious disease officials have minimized this every step of the way. We saw what happened in Hubei and Italy when a healthcare system is overrun by many people being mortally ill at the same time and still did nothing to even change our own response one iota. Those of us who have been paying attention have been shouting the imminent danger from the rooftops, but have been mocked relentlessly.

How about fuck yourself for being an ignorant, complacent, moron who can't do the math lessons of a middle schooler?

Actually r473. I looked up Agent Orange's dumbest statements and that was one of them. lol

[bold]"What a location. I'm in the real estate business, what a location." February 3 (Super Bowl interview)

Is there any blame for this virus? I know some will say it's man made but who's to blame?

Those Chinese cunts at that wet market selling and eating fucking bats and other wild animals!!

Who's to blame for the common cold, R478?

This virus is sneaky. It's like Mexico. Bad hombres. Bad, bad, bad. A lot of people are saying it's just the flu, but I'm not so sure. Maybe. Maybe the flu, I'm not sure. It could be just the flu. Or a cold. Or maybe a lot of people don't want to go to work in our beautiful economy. But I think it's Mexico. So I am announcing a beautiful state of national emergency. Not because I have to. Not because it is. Because Mexico. So I am taking this step because I don't have to before the warm weather comes and then we'll give them a sinking de mayo they'll never forget. They are not gonna infect our great country anymore.

Chicago hospital builds "forward triage" tent for coronavirus protection

Rush University Medical Center in Chicago has built a large tent in its “forward triage” area, an enclosed area outside its emergency room, which was originally partly designed to receive infectious disease patients.

The area serves as the hospital’s ambulance and private vehicle bay for incoming patients suspected of having the virus.

Rush is considered one of the best suited Chicago hospitals to handle coronavirus patients.

Hospital spokesperson Charles Jolie told CNN that all the air inside the tent and the ambulance bay is sanitized before it is exhausted outside to reduce the chances of contamination elsewhere. Jolie said the purpose of the tent is to add one additional layer of protection to ensure that patients elsewhere in the hospital who may be at risk of contracting the virus do not get infected.

r480, if you don't have an answer then shut the fuck up, cunt!

TMZ @TMZ · 10m 'Riverdale' Production Shut Down Due to Coronavirus Scare

⏳ CORONA TIME 7:30 PM EST

🌎 GLOBAL :

CASES: 126,049

DEATHS: 4,616

CRITICAL: 5,944

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES:

CASES: 1,296

DEATHS: 38

CRITICAL: 10 ( ? )

Fuck China? No, fuck Trump. Trump and his narcissism will kill our Grandparents.

50 people have been infected by that one lawyer in New York R478. But he is not to blame because he caught it from someone else. We have to get over the false security that because someone doesn't show signs they are not infected.

MSNBC @MSNBC · 8m Almost 200 people in Italy died from coronavirus in 24 hours, Italy's Civil Protection Agency says — the highest daily increase in absolute terms registered anywhere in the world since the respiratory illness emerged in China at the end of 2019.

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Like that Italian doctor said, they are not even helping patients over 65, they just let them die.

Bloomberg ad:

If there's going to be an empty chair at your house this Christmas, remember: Donald Trump killed your grandma.

China has to take a lot of blame because they hid it from their own citizens and the world for weeks and months, the problem got out of control and they refused help from USA. WHO didn't even get in until over 1 month later...they lied about everything, the stats etc.

Why does it look like Orange Roughy will address this crisis only as an economic one rather than as the health pandemic that is?

We are so far behind the curve, it's a joke. I'm not panicking...for myself but for my retired mother who won't listen to my pleas to stay home.

[quote]Like that Italian doctor said, they are not even helping patients over 65, they just let them die.

I know we've all got to go and it's seldom at 90 in our sleep, but what a sad and degrading end.... dead at 65 or 70 in 2020 for lack of so many basics.

OMG R484

That’s it! It’s over folks!! I’m calling it now. It’s the end of the world!!!!!

[quote]Germans are more serious and you know they are probably very anal and cleaning everything

LOL!!! Have you ever met a German? They are easily the smelliest and dirtiest of all the Europeans. They have a certain reputation for it everywhere else.

My theory is either underreporting, or they just have a more sparsely distributed population/less densely populated areas. Maybe the smelliness offers built-in social distancing.

So if you're 70 and get this horrible disease you have to stay home and accept that there will be no attempt made to save you? Or worse, you're abandoned right in the hospital? Can you imagine the despair for the person and their family? It's unacceptable.

South Korea is continuing its efforts to disinfect public facilities including Seoul’s subways to curb the spread of the #coronavirus #covid19 #코로나바이러스

[quote] TMZ @TMZ · 10m 'Riverdale' Production Shut Down Due to Coronavirus Scare

How will we go on?

DL eldergays please don't go out. Ask someone to deliver the supplies at your door. I'm worried that DL will be dead in 2 weeks.

The Italian Doctor who stated that they're "letting people over 65 just die" should really have kept his mouth shut.

How long until we see ads from law firms inviting you to sue doctors and hospitals for allowing your loved ones to die from blatant ignorance and neglect. Or perhaps a class action suit against cruise lines for not properly responding to the Corona crisis, trapping you on a ship and preventing needing medical care?

Maybe Trump can be sued for pathological lies and extreme denial causing needless panic and death?

R498 Not all eldergays will be done in. It's all up to their immune system if you catch it. Even the doctors can only treat the symptoms and help your immune system fight the virus. Some will live through this and be bitchier than ever.

[quote]Or perhaps a class action suit against cruise lines for not properly responding to the Corona crisis

From R391: A Florida couple onboard a cruise ship stricken with the coronavirus has filed a $1m lawsuit against the boat’s operator, Princess Cruises, for failing to protect passengers amid the global Covid-19 outbreak.

CNN:

He's infected. See his message from hospital room.

CNN-US official says China's response to coronavirus cost the world "two months to respond"

Robert O’Brien, President Trump’s national security adviser, blasted the Chinese government for their response to the coronavirus outbreak in Wuhan, saying they “covered up” the outbreak and “probably” cost the world “two months to respond.”

“There’s lots of open source reporting from China, from Chinese nationals that the doctors involved were either silenced or, or put in isolation or that sort of thing so word of this virus could not get out,” O’Brien told a crowd at the Heritage Foundation in Washington.

“If we had those and been able to sequence the virus and had the cooperation necessary from the Chinese, had a WHO team been on the ground, had a CDC team which we’d offered been on the ground, I think we could’ve dramatically curtailed what happened both in China and what’s now happening across the world,” he continued.

O’Brien also urged Americans to heed the warnings of the US Center for Disease Control and Prevention and take precautions to prevent further spread of coronavirus.

“If you’ve got a coworker who sneezes, send them home,” he said, adding that people should practice social distancing, wash their hands routinely, and take other protective measures.

O’Brien, whose speech notably drew a smaller-than-usual crowd amid fears of crowded places, described the President’s response to the outbreak in the US as “courageous,” particularly for his decision to temporarily freeze air travel to highly affected areas.

The coronavirus has currently spread to six continents, roiled financial and oil markets and have led to the cancellation of events, classes and other gatherings across the country.

Why won’t they respond??? I’ve been pushing this damned button for fifteen minutes and my drinky poo is nearly empty!! Princess Charmane, go get help!!! Daddy’s drink is empty!!!!!!

What can Fuckface possibly say tonight that won't make the situation worse? Everything Trump touches dies - the economy, democracy, your grandma...

Shall we borrow the " Theme From The Titanic " for The Official DataLounge/Corona Signature Theme Song?

"How long until we see ads from law firms inviting you to sue doctors and hospitals for allowing your loved ones to die from blatant ignorance and neglect."

Triage deaths are not caused by ignorance nor neglect but lack of ressources. If there's no respirator left there's no respirator left.

prevention is better than cure! Stay safe my fellow DLers! Don't take risks! You will live to go to another show, vacation, cruise, religious gathering, sports game, fishing trip etc etc....

r503 That's rich. Pot, meet kettle.

After Trump's State of The Corona Speech, I will follow with the The Official Declaration of Panic.

CNN-Trump expected to lay out "path" out of coronavirus crisis tonight, source says

Trump is expected to explain that "the crisis isn't America's doing but America is taking the proper course," according to the source who was read in on some of the language in the address but cautioned that the remarks are still being tweaked.

The President's expected description of the crisis, the source said, is an indication that Trump will likely note that the virus was first detected in China. Trump made note of this during his meeting with banking executives earlier today.

The source said the White House is hoping Trump will come across as something of a "CEO" in the speech. But the source noted this is a critical moment for Trump.

"These TV moments define a presidency," the source said.

A White House official says Trump will outline his economic stimulus proposals and will look to put forward a message of "unity" in the face of this crisis.

The President is expected to address the nation at 9 p.m. ET.

I wonder how many gay bars will go out of business in the next few months? I doubt they can keep their doors open for long with no patrons.

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VIA BOOMERS!

Americans watching Trump tonight.

😢 I seriously wonder if any of the victims of The Corona, in the US, or across the continents, have been from the DataLounge Family?

Its too sad to even imagine.

Vaya Con Dios, DataLoungers.

London has 101 cases and 2 deaths and yet the authorities are doing nothing to limit contagion. Football matches with 60k audiences are still going ahead. Absolutely ridiculous. This time last week it had 25 cases.

You people are reacting so slow. I live in Hong Kong. Schools and non-emergency public services were all shut down when we had about 10 confirmed cases. Lots of people have been working from home. Everyone has been wearing masks and using hand sanitizers since then. I can't believe countries like UK and US are not doing more to prevent it from spreading.

Which is why HK and Singapore have low numbers.

It's complicated r518. But large countries can be smug, and insulated from "reality."

R518 You don't have Donald Trump, & we do.

Enough Said !

Just at Costco. Shelves empty of lambs blood.

London has 9m people in a contained area and could easily go on lockdown, but it won't. The Blitz Spirit will stop it. They city will be staggering on when there are 1000 new cases and 100 deaths a day.

oh please, what is the population of HK and Singapore? So much easier to manage small populations. It's good that you guys have it under control and wearing masks. Over here, they tell us it doesn't work. we're gonna die. can't even find a mask to buy.

R508, it's so obvious the Trump administration know they fucked up and now they're pointing fingers at an easy target, China. Sure, we all know China fucked up their own response but it doesn't absolve Trump's lack of leadership in this sorry episode. Trump's got form for picking on the foreigners to rally his base. I expect reports of attacks on Asian Americans to spike after tonight's Herr Furor speech.

R523 Nice to hear from 1940.

CNN-More than 1,200 coronavirus cases reported in the US

There are at least 1,237 cases of novel coronavirus in the United States, according to the state and local health agencies, governments and the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

According to the CDC, there are 70 cases from repatriated citizens. There are 1,167 cases in 41 states and the District of Columbia, bringing the total number of coronavirus cases to 1,237, according to CNN Health’s tally of US cases that are detected and tested in the United States through US public health systems.

The guy in that CNN clip above is obviously quite overweight and that effects breathing when they're well. It must be misery when they catch it.

I hope some of the Datalounge Klan Grannies catch corona and die. That would make me very happy. All are over 70, so there's a good chance.

Jared Kusher now advising POTUS on pandemic according to CNN chyron.

This is not nice to say but I wouldn't be upset if it ran rampant through the WH.

Well R524 I posted a link where people could buy 10 mask and with shipping and taxes it came out to a little less than $35.00. I hope some people took me up on the link because now they are sold out. I don't know if they are reusable, but if they are I will give them people I know.

Well if renown epidemiologist Jared Kushner is on the case, we can all rest easy! Nothing to see here, folks, move along!

Anyone know what will happen to courts? Because I have shit luck, I just got a jury duty notice for April 1st. I live in Chicago and doubt they will cancel here. I have some chronic health issues and can probably get a note from my doctor, but I don't have an appointment with him until the end of next week. I only got the notice today, my guess is that many people are trying to get out of it.

I really hope corona takes out the lizardy Queen and the zombie Prince Phillip.

R473 His response to the virus has been “perfect, just like the letter. Like the transcript.”

NBA game abruptly cancelled minutes before tip-off. Fan told to leave but not given a reason. What the hell.

I was certain he was gonna cough there. Literally cough.

Donny Two Scoops looking VERY serious.

he can't breathe

Oh, Christ... blame laying.

So it's everybody else's fault. Now we get a bun fight with Europe

He has NO inflection in his voice.

Wow.

Yep, using precious time to defend his shitty leadership and point fingers.

He can't breathe!! Get a VENTILATOR!!

He sounds sedated and he's wheezing.

I'm expecting him to topple from his chair.

No travel from Europe.

LOL

What's wrong with him?

This fucker.

And there you have it, one step away from martial law.

Is he gonna pull a "Dave"?

The US government is still clueless. Less talk and more action would be nice. Prepare temporary hospitals in high population density area to treat and quarantine people who are infected. Self-quarantine at home is not going to work once you hit a large number of infected. This virus moves fast especially when the US is only adopting minimal preventive measures. The situation's manageable until it isn't, and you have to prepare for that eventuality. I just hope the state and municipals level of government aren't as clueless.

Ban travel from Europe?

It's beyond Stephen Miller's wettest, wildest dreams.

Didn't this guy tell us it would all be gone by April?

His voice sounds full of INFECTIONS

If you're going to block Europe, why not the UK? It's as messy as anywhere.

He announced his new running mate.

Useless.

Utterly useless.

That's not going to DO ANYTHING. We're past being able to keep it out.

He why is he gasping between each sentence?

God, this guy and his minions are attacking Biden's mental acuity--he can barely breathe and talk at the same time.

I've heard and seen more animation from a slug.

Exactly, R561... contrast this wheezing mess with Biden the other night.

He's talking like the virus is a person.

I though it was nothing more than a cheap Democratic hoax?

Trump shames our nation in front of the entire world.

Does he actually think we're buying this beautiful propaganda speech?

It's not just the fucking travel from Europe. How about travel domestically? How about mass gatherings? How about TESTING?

👓 [italic] The Future's So Bright

I Gotta Wear Shades !

His face is so red, he must have [italic] The Fever.

Why is Cheeto reading/speaking in broken English? He’s breathless. Is he sick too?

#2Little2Late

I just spontaneously said “bullshit” out loud when he said we can impede the virus and no nation is more prepared.

It’s all bullshit.

“We must put partisanship aside, stop the politics, and unify as one nation..”

Wtf you hypocrite.

We can beat this virus with God and guns!

Was Trump too weak to stand at the podium, or was he hiding the fact that he was shitting his BigBoy 🚼 PullUps ?

Rachel Maddow now is saying all BUT Trump has Covid-19.

Tom Hanks tweeted he and Rita have the coronavirus.

OK, Maddow strongly implying she thinks that Trump may have Covid 19

[quote] NBA postpones Utah Jazz-Oklahoma City Thunder game at Chesapeake Energy Arena

Now Tom Hanks has it!

🙊 Tom and Rita are "old people" according to The Corona Handbook !

So which big city will be locked down first?

I picked Trump in the "What celeb will get Coronavirus first?" contest. I'm not admitting defeat until all the testing is done.

“We must put partisanship aside, stop the politics, and unify as one nation..”

So why did you abolish the pandemic response team???

Tom Hanks will be the first celebrity corona casualty.

Wait, I thought it was contained?

R581> New York.

[quote]Ban travel from Europe? It's beyond Stephen Miller's wettest, wildest dreams.

Miller wrote the speech.

Replacing Hail to the Chief..

He has it. Cheeto has it. Clearly. Omg

Lucky for the elderly Tom & Rita that they're not sick in Italy.

I want to believe Tom Hanks intentionally announced during/after Trump's speech.

And not just to be petty but perhaps Hank's announcement will hit home with Americans and wake us the hell up. Being cautious, proactive and prepared does not mean hysteria.

R586 The Infected Apple. Wall Street would love that!

NBA season postponed!!!

What r589 said.

what r593? Where are you seeing this?

Maybe, just maybe, megacorps will now stop all travel. My company is still flying people around country for fuckiing meetings. Dumbasses. I have to host one this week.

R534, you didn't hear this from me, but just don't show up. If they call you, say you did not get the notice. They won't arrest you. Courts elsewhere have postponed all jury trials.

New thread needed!!!

Where are the doctors when you need them? We need a Epidemic Czar to deal with this issue. Stupid politicians can't deal with this stuff.

When you consider that the guy before you could have sneezed or coughed directly on the hole, analingus is starting to seem risky. I assume that the suction would pull any virus off of a penis, so fellatio would be less so.

It's on the NBA telecast. Wojnarowski has it and both teams are quarantined.

Can we add the panic 1 - 10 p[oll on the new threads?

Oh Good, r593.

Giannis Antetekoumpo of the Milwaukee Bucks is injured and could use the increased recovery time.

lol, r598

Weird. If they stop flights from Europe, they should stop flights from NYC - if the goal is to prevent spreading rather than a pointless political message to shift blame to other countries - the sole skill this idiot has.

I just posted earlier this evening on Reddit that as soon as there was one positive test for a player, the NBA would shut it down.

Looks like that's what has happened.

Weirdest and saddest NBA season in my lifetime.

NBA suspending season after Wednesday night’s games until further notice because of the coronavirus concerns.