Biden Is The Winner

He won't beat Trump.

The primary in my state is not til June.

At least this is the result Big Brother is giving us.

Who knows what corruption goes on behind the scenes.

[quote]He won't beat Trump.

He just might. It's worth a try. Lots can happen in 8 months.

I can’t wait for Sanders to be knocked out of the race.

[quote]R1:He won't beat Trump.

Oh, my sides!

Burn out will lose by a landslide if he got the nom, bernouts are delusional.

Bernie actually is helping to increase voter turnout... for Biden.

People who might otherwise have stayed home, just find Sanders so divisive and downright repulsive, that they are coming out in droves to vote against him.

OP you realize Biden only has 70 more delegates than Sanders right?

r4 lets's hope

This is what Berners get for being sore losers and bully everyone who was being critical to him

That senile child molester has no shot against Trump.

Bernie won CA though right? I am for Joe. But won't that even out the delegate count? I know Joe has the lead now.

Look at the next set of primaries next week. Every state that votes thoroughly rejected Sander last time by landslide margins.

2016 Fla - Clinton-1,101,414 (64.4%) Sanders -568,839 (33.3%)

Ga - Clinton -543,008 (71.3%) Sanders -214,332 (28.2%)

Ill - Open primary Clinton - 1,039,555 (50.6%) Sanders - 999,494 (48.6%)

Ohio -Semi-open primary- Clinton - 696,681 (56.1%) Sanders - 535,395 (43.1%)

AZ - Closed primary- Clinton - 262,459 (56.3%) Sanders -192,962 (41.4%)

Missouri -Open primary - Clinton - 312,285 (49.6%) Sanders -310,711 (49.4%)

Miss - Open primary - Clinton - 187,334 (82.5%) Sanders -37,748 (16.6%)

Michigan -Open primary - Clinton - 581,775 (48.3%) Sanders -598,943 (49.7%)

Steve Kornacki today said that Sanders has been “polling horribly” in Florida.

It's well known that Biden will win Georgia (with 121 delegates) resoundingly. Probably with a 2 to1 margin over Sanders. Our primary is on 3/24. I've already voted absentee, for Biden.

Biden has the experience, respect, and connections to stock a stellar cabinet and select an excellent VP. For me, Bernie is a lone wolf. With whom he would surround himself is a mystery. Biden is known to be open, honest, sincere, and compassionate. I like Bernie's ideas but they will be difficult to enact right now. I am so tired of lying cheaters in the White House, a jovial grandpa with smarts (although not as articulate as he should be) works for me right now.

I said it when the BernieBros were pumping their chests: Wait until the larger states have their day.

I like Bernie, don't like his traitorous supporters who would so easily allow Trump to win again. Ludicrous to claim you're a liberal or left and so easily let Trump win again. You've proved no point when you do it, only helping to hasten the complete takeover by a far-right ideology pushed by a disgusting, corrupt, white supremacist.

Florida has the most elderly population in the country. Those over-70s always vote, and they sure as fuck aren’t gonna be voting for Sanders.

But, but, but, who will pay for my college now? Me? That’s so unfair! I am going to stomp my feet, I promise! I’m going to hold my breath until I’m blue in the face! Wah! Wha! WAH!

[quote]Bernie won CA though right? I am for Joe. But won't that even out the delegate count?

Primaries aren’t “winner take all.” Bernie won CA, but he’ll only get about half of those delegates.

I can't find it now, but there have been a couple of people who looked at Oklahoma and other states and decided that Bernie won those states because people were voting AGAINST HILLARY, not for him.

But everyone loves Joe Biden and so Bernie is screwed in all the midwestern and northeastern states.

Biden is ahead but not THAT far ahead. Plus any hour a new senior moment from Joe can bring it all crashing down.

We'll see.

No amount of senior moments can get Team Karen+Chad, Team Rural Older White Folks and Team Urban Blacks to vote for Bernie.

If anything, the gaffes make him more endearing.

Biden's underlying slogan is going to be "A Return To Normalcy" (that will not be the actual slogan, but that's what everyone will be thinking.)

And like 2018, all of affluent suburbia will be lining up to get rid of Trump. They may benefit from his tax plans but they don't like the idea of white trash actually thinking they run the country.

It can’t be stressed enough that Joe Biden is “likeable”. Everyone wants to have a beer with him, and that’s what wins the Presidency. Hillary didn’t have that.

Guess the world had better brace for four more years of Trump and his poisonous enablers. Biden comes across as a very old man with the early signs of dementia. He won't win. I'm so disappointed that in a country of over 300 million people, the Democratic party couldn't come up with a candidate of appropriate age, broad appeal and the steel to do what needs to be done to oust the current incumbent.

Sorry R27

A dead cat would win if said dead cat promised to restore the world to the way it was in October 2016

Berntards calling joe old man? Have you seen your cult leader? He looks like the damn crypt keeper.

Biden is problematic, but I would certainly feel more comfortable with him as the nominee than I would with Bernie. I feel he has a much better chance of beating Trump.

[quote]I'm so disappointed that in a country of over 300 million people, the Democratic party couldn't come up with a candidate of appropriate age, broad appeal and the steel to do what needs to be done to oust the current incumbent.

Sure, because the current incumbent has so much of that same broad appeal, appropriate age, and proper goals for the country.

I don't think it will take that much, if the nominee can get out the full Dem AND independent vote in November. That's the key.

R31 you make a fair point, but Trump has found a way to manipulate all forms of media to his benefit and to appeal to the lowest base instinct in a depressingly large amount of people. If Bernie insists on hanging in there, I can't see enough voters holding their nose and voting for Biden regardless. Hope I wrong of course.

No one gives two shit about “Decency!!11!!!” in this country.

That’s a loser’s slogan now.

He will lose.

[quote] Trump has found a way to manipulate all forms of media to his benefit and to appeal to the lowest base instinct in a depressingly large amount of people.

Which is why Bloomberg's Billions and his team's ability to do that better than Trump's will be so valuable

Florida: Cubans and Jews hate Bernard.

R34 If Bloomberg's team and his endless money supplies were that great, he'd still be a candidate. Still, it can only be a positive if he's backing Biden verbally and financially.

General consensus seems to be that if Biden wins Michigan next week then it's over for Bernie, there is no path forwards.

If that’s true, R37, will Bernie then bow out gracefully and endorse Biden? Or will his colossal ego never let go? If his supporters are any indication, I can see a sore loser taking his toys and sitting in a corner with arms crossed and jutting lip. Even worse, what if he decides to be the Ralph Nader vote spoiler of this race, I.e. “if I can’t win, then nobody will?”

Despite DL Revisionist History, Bernie himself campaigned for Hillary R38, fairly often and relatively cheerfully. (Well, cheerful for Bernie.)

It was his Bros who decided to vote for Jill Stein or not at all.

He will need to acknowledge that they exist and then tell them to get TF in line with Biden.

[quote]He will need to acknowledge that they exist and then tell them to get TF in line with Biden.

He won’t.

Biden can win if former Trump voters who either hated Clinton more or now don't like Trump vote for Biden instead. He desperately needs those voters because a significant percentage of the younger generations are recalcitrant and won't be manipulated by the Dem establishment moderates/centrists into fear-based voting for the status quo. We have to cling to the slim hope that Biden receives more of the former to make up for the latter who decide to "sit out the vote." Either way, it's probably wise to mentally and emotionally prepare for the worst if Biden can't manage to eke out an electoral win.

All I hear about is how the black vote won the nomination for BIDEN. That's great. But last time I checked 73% of the population in the United States is white. So do you think the black vote can win an electoral victory for Democrats in general election. So I think if the Democrats keep minimizing the white vote it will be a sad election day for them. Democrats can't win with white vote. Which clearly they don't have now

[quote]Biden can win if former Trump voters who either hated Clinton more or now don't like Trump vote for Biden instead. He desperately needs those voters

Most of those voters are white, working class, and live in PA, WI, and MI. That’s why all this talk of Stacey Abrams and other nonentities being chosen as VP to pander to minorities is nonsense.

R42, see R43. He/she has it right.

[quote] Biden can win if former Trump voters who either hated Clinton more or now don't like Trump vote for Biden instead.

You probably shouldn't expect many repub defectors.. Trump's approval now is well above where he was in November 2016. But can Biden hold on to the "latte liberals" Al Sharpton talks about.

[quote]You probably shouldn't expect many repub defectors.. Trump's approval now is well above where he was in November 2016.

You’re not understanding. Many of those white working class Trump voters in the Midwest were Democrats who had previously voted for Obama. They’re not “Repub defectors.” Many are Democrats who hated Hillary and felt like the Establishment had abandoned them. Biden needs to get those voters back.

Disagree R45

Biden has Team Karen+Chad on his side.

While Team Karen+Chad would rather be voting for that nice Mitt Romney, they have spoken to The Manager far too many times about Trump and his coarse language and his coarse followers and how it's disconcerting for Charlotte and Austin to have to have a president like that rather than a nice well spoken man like George Bush or even Obama.

But The Manager doesn't seem to want their business, so now they are going to give it to Joe Biden and besides that Abigail Spanberger who they voted for Congress in 2018 has been just lovely, so why not kindly old Uncle Joe and His Very Smart Wife Who Did Not Take Nude Porn Photos Ever

[quote]He desperately needs those voters because a significant percentage of the younger generations are recalcitrant and won't be manipulated by the Dem establishment moderates/centrists into fear-based voting for the status quo. We have to cling to the slim hope that Biden receives more of the former to make up for the latter who decide to "sit out the vote."

Those who decide this year to 'sit out the vote' are shameless assholes who never mattered or cared to begin with. PERIOD. Get out and stay out (or vote for Trump, since that's what sitting out means in reality).

[quote]All I hear about is how the black vote won the nomination for BIDEN. That's great. But last time I checked 73% of the population in the United States is white. So do you think the black vote can win an electoral victory for Democrats in general election. So I think if the Democrats keep minimizing the white vote it will be a sad election day for them. Democrats can't win with white vote. Which clearly they don't have now

A large percentage of that 73% white population never bothers to vote, is the problem. No matter what is going on in the country. In contrast, a highly motivated majority of the 27% non-white voting bloc will translate into large numbers that carry candidates (see: Obama in 2008) over the top to victory.

So yes, the black vote (motivated and with high turnout) can absolutely win a victory for Dems in the GE. Because the majority of whites stay at home.

R49 That's correct it happened in 2016. Democrats are motivating the Republican base. HIGHLY MOTIVATED??

“Latte Liberals,” R45. Is that Sharpton’s dog whistle for covering his racism against whites?

MSNBC and CNN are furious that they WANTED Joe in his grave but he was not. Old know nothings like me knew Joe was fine but all these slick pundits knew nothing. Fuck them and their bullshit knowledge. Their Harvard Education gave them no wisdom.

Biden + Bloomburg's engine? Go to bed, Bernie Bros.

Black votes are important but old white voters carried the day and yet you are still so ignorant you can not figure it out. The most dependable block you will ever find? Old white voters.

anyone but trump

Jeez...I cant believe how people elevate Sharpton to sainthood...Im I the only one who remembers the Tawana Brawley scandal? I hate him

Many Republicans are just as bad as Trump. Look at McConnell, he is a Demon straight from hell. Could anyone be worse? Yet the Bible banging state, Kentucky, votes for him.

Sanders' support crashed in the four states *he won* last night. His support was down 45-60 percent.

Just goes to show how many of his voters hated Hillary

[quote]Trump's approval now is well above where he was in November 2016.

But what you fail to mention is that his number of supporters have shrunk thus driving up the approval ratings by the pure bred koolaid drinking deplorables.

States that give Sanders a win are states that are full of deadbeats who expect the government to give them lots of free things. They're too stupid to see that even if he's elected, none of that will ever happen because even Sanders knows none of it would ever get through Congress. In fact, if he's elected he'll conveniently forget about all his wild promises.

R61 California and it's #1 economy in the country is a deadbeat state?

Sorry I meant its

Now that I’m a little older, I can see why seniors just push the button for their shit and don’t even worry about screwing the kids. If they can’t even get off their phone or gaming console and actually do something about it, Other than tweet and meme, they deserve to be fucked. I want even tougher student loans requirements and higher insurance deductibles for under 30s. Why the hell not! 🤣🖕

Good luck with more Trump R64. I hope he takes away Medicare and senior services and if not I hope Corona Virus takes care of your uninsured elderly

[quote]So yes, the black vote (motivated and with high turnout) can absolutely win a victory for Dems in the GE. Because the majority of whites stay at home.

Whites stay at home when the Democratic nominee makes everything about race and pandering to minorities.

[quote]But last time I checked 73% of the population in the United States is white.

You should check again. White, non-hispanic, is 60% of the population of America.

[quote] So do you think the black vote can win an electoral victory for Democrats in general election.

If Hillary got had received Obama levels of black turn out she would have won the electoral college. Yes the black vote can be that important.

Very mature R64 R65

I sure hope he does win... especially for these women's sakes.

It's odd how Biden is winning mostly states that will vote Republican anyway.

Why don't the Democrats give less power to states that don't vote historically for their candidate?

R68 are you mad because Old Cunts like R64 wanted to do a Victory Dance after their touchdown? These Boomer and Gen X cunts think they won the big war but they've got something else coming. You will see, Oh you will Fucking see

If Warren endorses Sanders, do people here think that will badly impact Biden?

Sanders held on way too long in 2016, and that gave less time for the party to lick their wounds and come together.

In March of 2016 it became almost impossible for Bernie to gain a majority of pledged delegates

In May of 2016 it became MATHEMATICALLY impossible for Bernie to gain a majority of pledged delegates.

At this point, most candidates would end their campaign, endorse the remaining candidate, and begin working to unify the party.

Bernie didn't do this. He waited two months, until July, less than 2 weeks before the convention to endorse HRC.

So we went into the convention with a bunch of bitter Bernie Bros determined to cause disruption.

Yes, he campaigned for her, but by holding on, even when it wasn't possible for him to win without the Superdelegates, he dragged out the primary, forced HRC to spend more money, and deepened the division in the party.

I fully expect him to do it again, unless Biden has a clear majority early.

That's why Pete, Amy, and Bloomberg have dropped - to help stop him from splintering the party even worse than it already is.

Enough of the tired generation versus generation bitchfighting, dammit.

[quote] Despite DL Revisionist History, Bernie himself campaigned for Hillary

Oh, please, by that time he had done enough damage. He had no path to winning and kept on trashing the entire party. He hardly did jackshit for her.

Now the Bros are calling for Warren to drop out and endorse when she’s just doing what Bernie did.

r73 do Tom Perez and the DNC have a plan to stem this crap this time around? Allowing him to once again play the spoiler and divider, in an election year when no one can afford the dissension.

Something should be done to at least prevent the disruption at the convention. Why do they keep letting Bernie run as a Democrat every time anyway? He's had nothing to do with the party otherwise.

How funny that people like R76 only think Bernie's side is being causing Dissent, nevermind typical Twats who fill their Ranks like R64

When do they count California? It seems to take forever to tally the votes over there.

R67 apparently you don't know how to Google yet. Or maybe you like to makeup shut to back your lines.

They're still counting California's votes because most vote by mail and Biden's numbers has been rising.

Of course the black vote is crucial. To use John King language, it’s all about “going at the margins.” If you get a record black vote turnout (which Hillary did not on the general), you don’t have the “win” the white vote, just get enough. So you go campaign in certain counties that traditionally lean more Republican, with the goal of meeting or exceeding a certain percentage threshold in as many of those counties and possible. That, coupled with extremely high minority turnout in the cities and that will put you over the top in winning the state.

Rinse, repeat.

Also don’t laugh but even things like rain can effect turnout (It was pouring in Philly the day of the 2016 election). Especially inner city non whites, often stay home. Republicans pray for bad weather in cities with a large black population for this very reason.

Bernie couldn't even motivate the majority of his Bros to vote for him in a primary.

Where does anyone get the fucked up notion he could win a general election?

Srsly. If his most rabid supporters won't get off their asses and vote for him NOW, why does anyone think these people would bother to show up for the general?

Dementia it occurs.

California has early voting, so the non-Bernie vote got split. However, the later mail-in votes just have to be postmarked by election day and arrive by Friday. So Biden's still getting votes.

Right now, Bernie's at 33.8, Biden at 25.1, Bloomberg at 14, Liz at 12. Pete at 6.2 and Amy at 3.1. In other words, if Pete and Amy hadn't been in, Biden would have presumably picked up their votes (and did pick up the later voters) and that would make up the difference. Drop Bloomberg and Biden would have had an easy win.

Biden did well in California despite not have the money to campaign or advertise.

[quote] California and it's #1 economy in the country is a deadbeat state?

Are you kidding me? California probably has more people who want the government to provide for them than any other state in the US. Look around there and you'll see hordes of people who are in desperate shape financially and can't afford to leave.

That #1 economy doesn't automatically provide for everyone, you know. California spends more on welfare for its citizens than any other state. More than the next 2 highest welfare states (NY & TX) combined. You think all those people don't want anything they can get for free from the government? In 2017 California's expenditures on welfare was $103 BILLION.

Biden’s lead is not so huge that it’s a lock for him. California has not been awarded yet, and Sanders won California.

Biden was way toward the bottom of my list, after so many others (Buttigieg, Klobuchar, Warren, Harris). Of the two, I would prefer Biden. He’s definitely not all there, but I do believe he wants to reclaim decency in the country.

The people this country and the political parties are choosing now is SO weird to me, though. It has to be said. Biden and Sanders both, morally speaking, are the total opposites of Donald Trump. But both share traits with Trump that I regard as fully undesirable in any president.

Biden and Trump both are incapable of expressing clear, well-articulated ideas. Neither can do it even when challenged. And even when scripted and reading from a TelePrompTer, both go off on their own tangents and get lost in their own wacky worlds. And both say things that are just inexplicable. In the case of Trump, a lot of the insane shit he says is obviously intentional lies intended to manipulate people. Sometimes, though, he is just confused. Biden doesn’t seem to lie for the sake of causing confusion, but he does regularly say things such as “150 million Americans died last year!” without realizing that that is half the population of the US, and just a bonkers notion. He also has the bizarre machismo quality—“Wanna do pushups, Pal? Find out who the real man is!”—and he creeps women out. No, he’s not a monster rapist or a Childfucker like Trump is, and these days, that’s pretty decent, I guess.

Bernie Sanders has far more concerning traits in common with Trump, and it’s why I don’t want him to be president. Trump thinks the presidency is a position of dictatorship. He says “make X” happen and expects everyone who works for him and congress and the courts to do it. And he has been terrifyingly successful in scaring them into doing it. Sanders sees his role in this world as the same, whether he is a senator or a candidate or president. He is running based on a false notion that if he becomes president, he will tear down and rebuild all our institutions. But the president is not empowered to do that. Biden and Klobuchar and Warren at least understand that lawmakers make laws and that those processes have to be followed. Sanders plans to dictate laws. He is not concerned with “plans,” because his only plan is to scream that the US is working against its people and turn the people into opposing masses—as Trump as done—and expect lawmakers to figure out how to do what he wants and to do it. He is as uncompromising as Trump is. And the difference is that Trump’s entire party does what he says. Democrats are too diverse in their perspectives and many are too principled to simply take orders from a president, even if that president is of their party. And so functionally, it’ll be dysfunction. Bernie will scream to the public that Congress is not doing what he wants. Congress, including some in his party, will stonewall him. It’ll be Bizarro Trump, the same processes but from the other direction.

I just can’t believe these are our choices: dementia or dictactorship.

I just want all of the screaming, bullying, and megalomania to stop.

Agree, R87. We need a president and team who will shut their traps (mostly) and get back to work. Imagine if we already had smaart, capable, experienced individuals in charge during this outbreak instead of the morons we're stuck with?

[quote]These Boomer and Gen X cunts think they won the big war but they've got something else coming. You will see, Oh you will Fucking see

Oh no! A tweetstorm? Will I be ratioed? Or will it be a sick burn Reddit meme? I'm soooooooooo scared.

At least young Frenchies shut their fucking country down when they don't get what they want. You guys can't even show up to an election.

If you think the GOP backlash against Obama was bad, it would be 10 times that if Sanders becomes POTUS. And it'll be bad against Biden, but not as vicious as against Sanders. Our only hope is for the GOP to lose a majority in both houses and for Biden to win the election. i want to see some of those republican mother fuckers in Congress either indicted or so humiliated they quit, especially McTurtlehead and Dame Lindsey Graham. Those two I want to see exposed and ruined.

It’s true. Nobody discusses it, but Trump’s deranged fanatics hold the GOP’s power now and despite Kushner and despite Miller, many of them are deeply committed to antisemitism.

Steve Bannon still pulls strings. Ben Shapiro, who was Breitbart’s golden boy until Bannon brought in Milo Yiannopoulos, wrote that he quit Breitbart because Bannon converted it into a “white supremacy organization” intent on co-opting Trump’s presidential campaign. Yiannopoulos claims to be Jewish but there is no evidence of it, and while he worked at Breitbart he used a kristallnacht derivative as his email password, and he sang “America the Beautiful” karaoke with Richard Spencer while giving a Nazi salute. He also wrote at least one Breitbart article about why he chooses Catholicism over Judaism.

Bernie Sanders is not only a Jew, but he is a Jew who rejects Israel’s claim that it can commit any crime against humanity because it is God’s chosen land of the Old Testament. Christians lap that shit up. Not only will antisemitic Trumpsters hate a President Sanders because he is Jewish, but some will want to destroy him because he doesn’t suck Benjamin Netanyahu’s cock.

Avoiding antisemitism is no reason not to elect someone president, to be sure, but there will be a *definite* surge in white-supremacist and antisemitic violence from Trump supporters if Sanders wins. And Israel will condone it unless Sanders does their bidding, which he will not. It’s a really twisted knot.

[quote] despite DL Revisionist History, Bernie himself campaigned for Hillary

Now that's revisionism right there. Bernie did EVENTUALLY campaign for Hillary LONG after he dragged the race out when it was very apparent Clinton was destroying him and after accusing the primary of being "rigged" for the "establishment" candidate.

HOW DARE HE CHALLENGE OUR QUEEN!!!

OUR GLORIOUS GLORIOUS QUEEN!!!!

Well here we are with our miserable choices. How did we Go from 23 candidates to be left with Biden and Bernie. At the start of the season I thought anybody who lost already step aside. Losers Biden and Bernie no fucking way. Yet here we are. No one thinks Biden is the best choice. They just voted against sanders. Yeh sure there are a few that were still in his camp admits the flubs and forgetfulness we witnessed live. But they came in records to reject socialism.

Let’s not get all happy, but get behind joe and his strong VP pick so we can have not more Trump.

[quote]He won't beat Trump.

Actually he's literally exactly what the country needs to get rid of Trump. We need to carry the swing states and he's a conservative democrat who knows how to talk to working class people.

People don't like Trump, except his crazed cult (and who gives a fuck about them anyway -- they're the Lost and the Damned). All they are looking for is someone who isn't even worse. And to lots and LOTS of people in the swing states, preachy crazy-hair ivory tower liberals (cough cough Omar AOC Bernie Liz cough cough) are even worse.

Biden has been one of my top two choices from the beginning. Yes, there's stuff I disagree with him on. But he has a history of getting shit done as an actual elected official which Bernie doesn't. Plus, he has decades-worth of connections in the Senate which will be crucial when it comes to trying to pass legislation. This is something Bernie severely lacks--just ask Clinton, Nader, Romney and Barnie Frank, all of whom have commented on how disliked Bernie is in the Senate. Biden also doesn't think money grows on trees, unlike Bernie, who thinks that you can just have wealth taxes and tax the "rich" to death and pay for all your plans.

R86 Great Job. I agree with a lot of what you say. It really says a lot about the DEMOCRATIC party that they can not agree to nominate a smart, intelligent, and focused person to run against Trump, the worst President in United States history. Great message you wrote, but unfortunately people on here will not be able to understand what you have expressed. You will need to dummy it down because most people people on here are idiots. They will either not read whole message, stop when they disagree or blast you for your conclusion.

Smart AND intelligent? You ask too much, r97!

^^^ The Democratic Party was so flustered it forgot to sign its post r98

Can we stop pretending like Bernie voters made a difference in the last election? A few thousands idiots in three states are the reason Trump won. The majority of voters voted for Hillary. The majority of voters have voted for the Dem in 4 of the last 5 elections,. We are hostage to an antiquated system that allows a troglodyte moocher minority to rule over us. Period.

R96, I hear you about Biden but age has definitely affected him. 72 needs to be a real cut off for presidency.

At 77-78, you are discussing taking the keys away from your parents yet these guys should run the country? I prefer Biden over Bernie but it’s really who will cause the least amount of independents and moderates democrats to turn away from the party.

At this point americans who actually vote showed what they think of burnouts revolution bs. They don't give a shit about Internet popularity and calling them old and out of touch (lol bernout is 100 years old) won't make them anymore sympathetic to berntard.

R101, Biden will for sure attract more of those people to stay Democrats--just look at the voter turnout in states where he won. All that increased voter turnout that Bernie would generate? He generated it FOR Biden.

I've said this before, I will say it again. Joe has a stutter. That's why he comes off as if he's a bit lost in speeches and debates. I have one. I get it all the time. It's why I became a writer. So when he stumbles? Or starts and stops? It's not because he's old or losing it or confused. It's because he's about to stutter! It's a really annoying thing to have because it has nothing to do with intelligence or content or character. It's just a weird glitch.

Have a little compassion. Cool to not like his policies. But not his public speaking. Btw, Jefferson had a stutter too. So....

Uninformed DLers need to look at who Biden was able to turn out in record numbers in this election: The Army Of Karens + Chads of Northern Virginia (and the Charlotte and SC burbs too.)

As in voter totals from 2020 were close to DOUBLE in those areas from 2016

They have spoken to The Manager, been ignored and now they are taking their business elsewhere.

Biden represents a Return To Normalcy.

Bernie represents Four More Years of People Shouting And Denunciations And Things That Are Not Pleasant

Who do you think they're going to vote for?

Queen Tulsi is 1 down, 1,900 delegates to go. She'll cream Biden in the debates (unless the DNC RIGGS her out of it) and cruise to a true people-powered aloha victory!

[quote]just look at the voter turnout in states where he won.

Yes, he won the states that will vote Republican. Why do the Democrats even give them a say?

Yes. States like Massachusetts and Minnesota and Virginia R107

SMH

And wait till NY, NJ, CT and IL vote

R104, exactly! I've seen videos of him from decades ago where he comes across the same. However, in smaller, more personable settings, he exceeds. I have heard this from everyone I know who has met him. And really, all these people accusing Joe of having dementia who support Bernie--when the fuck is your messiah going to release his damn health records? He kept saying he was going to release them eventually and then reneged on that. Hmmm, I wonder why that is?

R109, stuttering is very hard to explain if you don't have the issue. You know how he yelled at his Super Tuesday victory speech? Because you tend not to stutter when you raise your voice. Ditto singing. It's so frustrating.

And I never stutter one on one. Or with a few groups. Put me with a big group? He amazes me he can do it. I couldn't. And his stutter is worse than mine.

Biden should sing his speeches. Stutterers can sing without problems. Witness this cute twink from Australia.

Between this, the story about being arrested while attempting to visit Nelson Mandela in prison, and the moment he mistook his wife for his sister, it's getting likelier and likelier that he's in the early stages of dementia.

(Mind you, George W Bush was only fifty-four when he became president, and he wasn't much more coherent than Biden currently is. To say nothing of Trump...)

Well, r97, at least all of us oldsters look 20 years younger.

[quote]Biden Is The Winner

Chicken dinner?

STILL counting in California.

I rarely find Bernie fans who understand electoral politics as it relates to America. Few have followed congressional, senate, or gubenatorial races over the past 20 years. If they did, they would have watched dozens of liberal candidates fail to make it through primaries. And its great that they're getting involved and getting excited about an agenda they believe in, but they have no idea how much work needs to be done to get the rest of America on board. And at this point, they have no idea it's over. (I had a Bernie bro friend tell me this week Democrats can win back the Senate because there are 33 races! I had to walk him through the handful of competitive states one by one to show how we're likely fucked and explain that while occasionally a race will pop on to the radar unexpectedly, maybe that happens in 1 race per cycle).

I think Bernie knows its over. He's got to keep plugging away and trying out some new tactics until Michigan but then it will be over. Plus, there's always a chance Biden screws up, has a health event, etc. But Bernie knows the tide turned hard in a way that has never been seen in American presidential elections and it's because of Bernie. Gotta give him credit for making it to the US Senate but it shows how weak of a politican he is that he got beaten by two of the most terrible candidates ever, Hillary and now Joe.

[quote]Bernie did EVENTUALLY campaign for Hillary LONG after he dragged the race out

That's why a knockout blow needs to happen soon. I bet Bernie regrets making that statement about a plurality of votes getting the nomination.

[quote] I think Bernie knows its over.

You are probably right

[quote]I'm so disappointed that in a country of over 300 million people, the Democratic party couldn't come up with a candidate of appropriate age, broad appeal....

Why do ridiculous people keep saying the DNC "comes up with" candidates? Anyone can run basically, you don't get picked or have to ask permission. You can tell a lot of people never vote because they're blind to how anything works!

R117, Neither Clinton nor Joe were terrible candidates. Both are extremely well qualified to handle the presidency. Hillary had the disadvantage of campaigning-while-female and a 20-year-smear job. Biden's old, but so is everyone else at this stage of the game. But he knows how to connect with voters, he has a reasonable platform and as the Texas rally showed, he has a knack for building a consensus. Unlike those twin narcissists, Trump and Bernie, Biden knows how to share a stage and praise others--he made Pete teary-eyed, he perked up Amy, he shared a burger with Beto.

Being likeable and relatable to voters is not a small thing--it's one of the key things that sways voters. That Joe makes gaffes is not going to be a big negative with most voters--because they make gaffes too--and next to Old Covfefe, Biden's is a master of eloquence.

And Biden pulled off an astonishing feat on Super Tuesday--he won across the map. He won states where he hadn't campaigned or even been able to open an office. He won in the North, he won in the Midwest, he won in the South. He won states where he was expected to come in third. I've never anything quite like it--and I think it's a promising sign for November.

R117 the tide turned because of trump..those voting in the primaries want him gone. California is currently 33% Bernie 8 pits ahead of joe w/93% in. It’s not over at all. Wa will have similar if not better for Bernie than Cali

Robert Reich tells Warren supporters it is time to get behind Bernie

Enjoy Biden if he wins. It'll be better than Trump, there can be no doubt, but it'll be business as usual. Just like Obama ultimately was, passing the ACA like it was some great thing when it was just a Republican plan from many years prior. Everyone says Bernie or Warren would burn the house down. Can't anyone see the house is already on fire? Biden won't put out the fire. He's just more of the same and in the back pocket of Wall Street and Corporate America.

Why did Klobuchar and Pete drop out? To help Biden. The corporate overlords had their say and promises were made. This country is fucked until some more radical legislators get in there and rebuild our democracy. Until then, enjoy yet another bought-and-paid-for Democrat.

R122, you’re wrong about CA. There are millions of ballots left to count. They are nowhere near done. And Bernie’s lead is growing smaller everyday.

[quote]Enjoy Biden if he wins. It'll be better than Trump, there can be no doubt, but it'll be business as usual. Just like Obama ultimately was, passing the ACA like it was some great thing when it was just a Republican plan from many years prior

The Bernie Bros still don't get that the only people that share their hatred of Obama are MAGAats. He's actually a beloved figure and attacking him won't get any extra votes. Bernie's belatedly realized this and is now desperately trying to associate himself with the guy he threatened to primary. There are a few things that could stop Uncle Joe ... attacking Obama isn't it.

It’s been repeated time and again: Leadership is about building coalitions and unifying people, something Bernie has proven incapable of doing even though he’s had five years. He hasn’t grown his movement and performed worse than 2016 in many of the Super Tuesday states. His ‘my way or the highway’ style isn’t leadership, it’s dictatorship. He has zero interpersonal skills or emotional intelligence and can’t even guarantee himself the endorsement and support of Warren and her supporters even though they’re ideologically similar.

The bros were mocking Pete for his problems with black voters, but do you know who else has a black voter problem? You guessed it! Pete actually is humble about that and actually gave a beautiful response in South Carolina that was appreciated by most African Americans in that hall. Bernie, like Drumpf, is incapable of humbleness.

Another easily manipulated idiot on the presidential throne - great!

The best King for the vultures around the throne has always been the idiot King.

Biden will have far fewer crooks, and considerably more competent people in senior positions in government than Trump, R128,

[quote]Stutterers can sing without problems.

The slightly disturbed teen version of me always wondered what would happen to Mel Tillis if he ever sang “Bad to the Bone.”

Scratch what I said. I think Bernie is learning some humility, fast.

R128, No one who knows anything thinks Biden is an idiot.

Idiocy is when you fucking praise Castro when there's a Florida primary coming up.

Stupid is when you think a feeble old man who's never much more than naming post offices during his time in office will lead a revolution.

Yes, the horror of having a president who doesn't tweet or retweet the disgusting beliefs of white supremacists. Fuck you, "BernieBros," Go get a fucking red hat if you sit home rather than vote to get Trump OUT. You're not "left," if you so easily allow that Neo-Nazi another four years.

Warren looks the type to hold a grudge. She might not endorse.

Uh-oh.

R132 is blocked. OP is full of it, as usual.

MICROSOFT NEWS POLL

If Bernie Sanders is the 2020 Democratic nominee, who will win?

Sanders = 30%

Trump = 64%

Other / No opinion = 6%

Based on 21,041 responses. Snapshot of real-time results.

R137, sliding into our DL with Reality.

I'm not feeling this rescue.

R136 = typical innumerate Bernie Bro. The last poll at your link was done on February 26 and all the others are much earlier. Since then, Buttigieg, Kloubacher, Bloomberg and Warren have all dropped out. Who do you think their supporters will go to, Biden or Sanders?

Furthermore r136, the delegate count is based on actual results that can be updated immediately and don't require a survey and for responses to be processed.

On the delegate count, your link shows that Biden is way ahead with 610 delegates while Bernie has 541 delegates.

That's what Bernie's fans don't seem to get, R140. Sanders benefited from votes being divided among the rest of the pack who all pretty much had the same platform. Now that that's gone, they're going to get a reality check has to how viable he is as a candidate beyond the hardcore base he has and of course they'll continue to be like the MAGAts in that they'll claim conspiracies against Bernie rather than accept that he only appeals to that hardcore base. Believe me, I'm all for taxing the wealthy and medicare-for-all, but he's too extreme for most and won't go over well with anyone who voted for Trump and regrets that decision.

Bernie's ads with Obama are so desperate, it's really fucking pathetic. This was the man who said that Obama should be primaried because he wasn't left wing enough, who actually had the gall to claim he helped WRITE Obamacare, who refused to expand Obamacare even though most American want to build off it (rather than go single-payer). The ad is so fucking edited, it's hilarious. Obama must be pissed that this piggybacker is trying to act like they are/were BFFs/

R122 Lol oh sweetie if super tuesday showed anything is that dems want biden and not some looney socialist. Biden will continue soaring and you'll still be in denial.

Those Russians are really getting desperate.

My thoughts:

Sanders needs a clear victory next week in Michigan. Something like 55%+ He and his campaign knows this, which is why they are abandoning the South.

If Biden wins Michigan it is all but over. If the Michigan race is close (regardless of who is top spot), with a clear split in delegates, it is life-support for Sanders.

That is the conventional wisdom R146 along with the fact that Sanders will likely get smashed in Florida and Georgia

Why did everyone FF R1? He's 100% right.

I suspect that when all is said and done, the consensus will be that Sanders' BernieBros are what did him in this time and the specific moment was when Pete called him out on it in the Las Vegas debate and he denied it.

While most people are not on Twitter, they do hear (because the media reports on it a lot) how nasty the Bros are on Twitter and how they are not going to vote for anyone but Bernie, and mostly how they regard anyone who is not 100% on the Bernie Train as a traitor who deserves death.

The NYT's Michelle Goldberg (a Bernie supporter) said as much in a podcast this week, it was a great line [bold] "I think a lot of Bernie supporters are in it for the re-education camps more than anything" [/bold] [meaning, she explained, that they feel that because they feel they are trying to help the downtrodden, they can be as nasty and malicious and evil as they want to everyone who does not agree with them 100%.)

But the fact that anyone who was not fully down with Bernie's agenda felt that they had no place in his movement and in fact would be the target of attacks by the Bros, who look increasingly like MAGAts, is a problem, and to circle back to my original point, Bernie not disowning them or telling people that they are welcome in his movement even if they only support parts of it, is what caused him to hit a hard ceiling of support, with everyone else going to Biden, where they felt welcomed.

Is it just me, or is DL going easier on Biden since his comeback? Not complaining, I just think it's interesting. Is it because Pete's supporters have switched their allegiance to him, or because people want to unite against Bernie (and, by extension, Trump)?

[quote]Sanders will likely get smashed

Pics please.

According to one poll, here’s how Biden and Bernie are doing in the absentee vote in MIchigan.

Who voters backed who already cast absentee ballots:

Joe Biden 33%

Mike Bloomberg 19%

Bernie Sanders 13%

Elizabeth Warren 6%

Amy Klobuchar 5%

Michael Bennet 1%

R139 that little cartoon is illuminating a very important factor, too many people who should be voting for the most electable candidate, but will either 'abstain ', or willingly throw away their votes because of how they feel they've been 'wronged' by Biden.

Biden is not popular with millennial and gen X women, he's not popular with those pushing for gun control and he's LOATHED by the student loan indebted masses. If he were to take the right running mate it could do a lot to mitigate these factors, which he really needs to take into account because there's no lockstep within the Democratic party.

I think its insane to allow anything to get in the way of dismantling the current administration, but unfortunately with Biden, the vote will splinter and it's more of the orange megalomaniac.

With the window opened by the threat of an international pandemic there's a possibility that his base will see that he's putting the facade of a strong market on something about to collapse and in turn putting lives behind the stockmarket in terms of priority. But that's expecting a rational response from an irrational demographic, so not the best horse to bet on.

[quote] he's not popular with those pushing for gun control

That's odd--it's Bernie who has supported the NRA and opposed gun legislation, not Biden.

[quote] Biden is not popular with millennial and gen X women,

That is complete and utter bullshit.

Who TF do your think made up the Army (of Karens) of Northern Virginia that turned out at close to DOUBLE the numbers they had in 2016 to vote for Biden?

(HINT: Not Boomers)

Exit polls reveal the demographics of people who voted for Biden on Super Tuesday:

-Black -Ages 65 and older -oppose single payer -decided in last 30 days who they wanted to support -moderate or conservative -unfavorable view of socialism -top issue: race relations (how ironic--for all of Bernie Bros "wokeness", it seems like Biden is speaking more to those concerned about racial issues) -age 45 to 64 -prefer a candidate who will beat Trump -Democrats -Women -top issue: health care (another irony: for all of Bernie's grand standing about "single payer", could it be that people really would prefer to build off Obamacare? Yes) -somewhat liberal -college graduates -white

You can see the demographics of Bernie supporters at the link, but it's no surprise---they are very liberal, younger, favorable to socialism, support single payer, prefer a candidate who agrees on their issues (i.e. "no middle ground), Hispanic or Latino.

I think it's safe to say that Biden is actually building a coalition of voters, which is what the Democratic party is all about. The Democratic and Republican parties are not political parties in the sense of European ones, they are coalitions (i.e. "big tents"). Biden is clearly attracting those who are Democrats (moderates, conservatives and somewhat liberal people) while Bernie is purely attracting those extremely liberal.

Fascinating--in that same link, it shows the same percentage of very liberal people voted for Biden as they did Warren. Very interesting.

I like Warren and supported her.

While ideologically she is closer to Sanders, I refuse to support him because of his bile. We've had enough bile spewing out of the WH to last several lifetimes, thank you very much.

Bernie is unable to get anything done. He just wants to stand in the street spitting and screaming like a nutter.

Warren actually can get things done and she understands that getting this country back on track involves more than screaming at the sky while your cultists cheer.

I shudder to think of the cretins Bernie would appoint to his Administration. Nina Turner is as off-putting to me as KellyAnne Conway, and that horrible Briahna Joy Gray person who did a dance video about her protest vote for Jill Stein, barf. Secretary of Billiards Susan Sarandon. NO THANK YOU I SAY

This is my current favourite Twitter account:

[quote] Had a nice supper with Pete and his handsome pal Chester. Dressed to the nines, that fella. A haircut you could set your watch to.

[quote] I have nothing but respect for Emily Warren. Nothing but respect. Tallest woman I’ve ever seen by a mile, knows her arithmetic

[quote] Dairy protestors, baffling. Just baffling. What’s the issue here, too much milk, not enough milk, what is it

[quote] I was a young man, 4, maybe 5 years of age, I wrestled a horse to the ground to prove a point. He was angrier than bees

Everything's coming up Joe!

Everything's coming up Biden

Eyerything's coming up Biden

this time for me!

Biden is the wiener.

I know it's inevitable, but I'm not looking forward to Trump and Biden debating in the general. Two hours of lunacy vs senility and a whole lot of incoherence. I'm terrified and depressed just thinking about it.

I voted for Trump because I couldn't stand Hillary, and thought maybe his more moderate side would come out while in office. Obviously I was wrong, and I'll vote for whoever is the Dem nominee in November. I really hope it's Biden, though. We need someone calm and boring, not a revolutionary who is going to scare people away from the polls.

R165, why did you consider Hillary worse than Trump?

I like Biden & will vote for him, but he does look debilitated. He has that white fuzz on his head instead of hair that you see on men in nursing homes.

Anyone in 2016 that couldn't see that Trump was a bullshiting con man that was totally unqualified for the job, voted on the basis of a flawed personality preference. Trump didn't even know what the nuclear triad meant Marco Rubio corrected him. I assure anyone HRC did know, as well as other GOP candidates outside Trump. Gary Johnson, 2016 Libertarian Party Candidate, was another ill-prepared dumbass.

Anyone who voted for Trump is a garbage person. Period. There is no excuse for having voted for someone so repulsive, hateful, prejudiced and stupid unless you yourself are at least two of those things.

You kniw, about a month ago I was thinking Trump is assured a second term because everyone was spinning the impeachment as a victory for him & saying that the impeachment has made him the strongest he’s ever been. Then I thought, “Yeah but everyone thought Hillary would walk away with the election, too. You can’t predict the future because no matter how much you plan, there’s always that bit of chaos that interferes when you least expect it.”

Trump loves chaos. He creates it to keep people off balance and get away with his outrageous behavior. But what if chaos was suddenly turned on him?

Then coronavirus happened.

It may or may not affect the election.......but Trump sure didn’t see it coming.

And for that, I thank it.

For those who have not done so, PLEASE watch the Hilary Clinton Documentary on Hulu. She discusses how nobody in congress likes Bernie, how he is a career politician and only one person in congress was willing to work with him. Also, "he didn't work until he was like 41". Seeing this old footage of Bernie screeching at the top of his lungs and constantly acting like a smug dick to Hillary makes me understand why she has gone after him the way she has.

Bernie is not a Democrat. If he wanted to create a Marxist party, he had the option. Or, he could have helped out these folks at CPUSA:

The Russian hackers already have their voting machine software in place from 2016. Bernie will make a magical recovery.

R125 I quoted official results at the time I posted so how was that wrong douchebag

[quote]Why did Klobuchar and Pete drop out? To help Biden. The corporate overlords had their say and promises were made.

My, you have a VIVID imagination!

Just WHO are these "corporate overlords"? The Berner Bubble dwellers are like Fox News watchers with their own set of "facts"!

Bernie's appeal is limited to his LOUD fervent supporters. Even Sanders ally Elizabeth Warren commented about their obscene bullying. The Bros killed Sanders' candidacy, again. Good job!

You wouldn't have Bernie Bros if Bernie didn't enable it. He could stop it, but he's always chosen not to.

I've now heard from a couple of people who have had direct dealings with him that he's real ass in person--disrespectful, a backstabber, rude.

And almost 30 years in Congress and nothing, but pork barrel and post offices to show for it.

For illiterate R140/R141, the results were updated on March 5th, the day before I posted them. None of your "that's from February" nonsense. Learn to read. Also 610 delegates over 541 is not a huge lead by any stretch. If my results are so out of date, why are you quoting from them? It's clear you are just another pathetic troll or bot who is here to spread needless dissent. Begone.

I remember Pete confronting Sanders about the Bernie Bros harassment and Sanders got very very defensive.

Now that Warren has raised the issue again, he's decided to apologize but it's way too late.

no more fee fees, no more precious fee fees. everyone put aside all thought of how hurt you are. everyone stop with all feelings. just stop. defeat Trump is the only emotion. focus on that. make it your mantra. nothing else actually matters right now.

Some Bernie supporter was mean to me online so you can’t have healthcare or a clean planet or a living wage

-moderate democrats

AOC already fucked ya’ll up on twitter tonight. If you guys can’t handle the Bernie bros, hoW the hell will you last during the general election with trump?

It's not about handling the Bernie Bros. it's about the Bernie Bros not handling reality. Don't disappear into the stupid cave Bernie Bros. Get past your all important feelings and recognize that this shit is actually for real. that a Trump presidency is for real. shit happens because Trump is president. do what you can to make that shit stop. or not, in which case, you're cunts.

The voters staged an intervention. They want Trump out and they didn't think it would happen with Bernie. They literally resurrected Biden from the dead. Biden- the closest thing to Obama which the voters pine for. They don't want a revolution.

Now that we've heard from the eloquence that is R182, I encourage it to take its own advice. It reminds me of the histrionics R181 was writing about and the posters here who can't stand a certain subsection of supporters (yes, subsection, children, not the whole) so they won't vote for the only candidate who is standing up for changes we need to see.

we welcome your entire subsection to the joys of reality r184. you are welcome to join in the great antiTrump coalition. Welcome and love to you and yours. love and joy to all who are standing up for changes to anything and everything.

Druggie Hunter Biden is gonna be a Star this fall! His baby mamma is gonna be a queen too. What state is she in again? Arkansas(

yes, yes, yes, r186. that paragon of virtue Donald J Fuckwit will certainly drag that miscreant over the coals of justice. it will be fun.

Have fun trying to win those swing states r187 with brain dead Biden trying to defend his corrupt son against Trump who is popular there

yup, if there is one thing we know about Trump it is his hatred of corruption of all sorts. yup. that is a thing we know. yup.

also, Trump is not popular anywhere outside of the brain dead Southern confederacy. they do love him, nobody else does.

R178, you're illiterate and innumerate. The opinion poll results that you linked to in some kind of attempt to show Bernie is the most popular candidate are from February and well before Buttigieg, Warren, etc. dropped out. Expect Biden's delegate count lead to increase even further now that the other candidates have dropped out.

R178, Oh but it is, Blanche, it is. See, there's no winner-take-all, so Bernie's got to win by some huge margins in some big states to make up the difference.

So, let's see where's he going to do that? Texas and California are done. He's polling horrifically in Florida--to the point where Biden is expected to increase his lead by another 100 delegates. So, where? Pennsylvania? Biden will take it. Michigan? Bernie won it last time, but Biden's blue-collar vibe plays well there and he's ahead in the polls. New York? Illinois? Ohio? Georgia? Biden's ahead in every one of those. Even if he doesn't win, it's highly unlikely Bernie will pull away sufficiently to overcome the steadily accruing difference.

Super Tuesday matters--Bernie's done worse in every single election than he did four years ago--including the ones where he won a plurality. He's lost, not gained voters. Given that he lost the primary last time, he's definitely not going to win this time with fewer voters now that the other candidates have dropped out.

Why haven't Sanders supporters done more to help Saint Bernard grow his base since 2016? Or, 2018?

Don't get pissy towards other people for your own, and Bernie's, laziness and poor attitude. We don't have to accept or listen to you; we aren't your momma.

[quote] It can’t be stressed enough that Joe Biden is “likeable”. Everyone wants to have a beer with him, and that’s what wins the Presidency.

It's not enough. You also have to respect a presidential candidate. No one a respects a man going senile and embarrassing himself at rallies on stage.

[quote]No one a respects a man going senile and embarrassing himself at rallies on stage.

Republicans sure seem to.

R194, and yet we currently have that as president...except with the added bonus of being a disgusting racist and bigot

Except that he'll be running against someone whose encroaching senility has been on display for four years R194 and has been denying the Corona virus is a threat.

For the people bringing up Trump, fair enough, he is obviously a clown. In fact, he is the head clown and a normal person like Biden can't compete with him. He will have to appear dignified and sharp and that is hard to do when you're losing your marbles on a national stage. He will inspire nothing but pity on a stage next to Trump. You've been warned.

He is an equally aged and addled clown R198 and can match Biden gaffe for gaffe, misstatement for misstatement.

This is the 2020 Trump

Not the 2016 one

A chief of staff needs to know people. On the national stage, Pete is an outsider.

Pete speaks eight languages.

He'd make an excellent Secretary of State

[quote] If Warren endorses Sanders, do people here think that will badly impact Biden?

No. It will negatively impact her and any shot she has at influencing policy under Biden.

Bernie is slightly older than Biden, and Bernie was the one who had a heart attack a few months ago. Trump is in his mid-70s and shows demented behavior over and over again.

Trump couldn't walk up a short hill at a G-8 conference a couple of years. Bet such would not be a problem for Biden.

Biden shows some age-related mental confusion in communicating, but he was still capable enough to deliver a comeback and he debated better as time past.

Black voters, especially in the south, decided on Biden in big numbers. Older voters aren't into Sanders either.

I hope Biden picks an impressive rising star as his running-mate. Doubtful Biden could go two terms.

I voted Pete in a primary, but Biden is the now, collective default choice. There were a few better choices, most of whom never reached any footing and exited the race early.

Regardless if you like Biden or not (I'm a fan), you can't doubt that he will pick excellent people to be on his team. That is almost enough for me. Goodbye Sarah Huckabee!

Remember the Berners last month?

"Bernie is winning. Bernie is winning. Bernie is winning" they robotically chanted all over the interwebs.....

Ok, I'll take it from here, "Bernie is losing. Bernie is losing. Bernie is losing."

[quote]Regardless if you like Biden or not (I'm a fan), you can't doubt that he will pick excellent people to be on his team.

This is what I don't understand about people talking about Biden being a bit "loopy." What this comes down to are the people AROUND each candidate and the decisions that will be made by each team including a Supreme Court justice.

So your choices are left-leaning people who will bring you normalcy or people like Pence, Stephen Miller, Roger Stone and Steve Bannon.

YES, the Supreme court justice appointments are incredibly important, CANNOT stress that enough.

Daddy biden will do what needs to be done and restore this country to normalcy as much as he can.

The longer Warren doesn’t endorse, the more her supporters take the hint and break for Biden or just sit on their hands. This is devastating for Sanders. I thought they were friends?

[quote]This is devastating for Sanders. I thought they were friends?

Two troubling questions:

When Elizabeth Warren said over and over she and Bernie were friends, you believed her?

You think Bernie has ANY friends?

R210, in "diplomatic" political speak if you say over and over that you and someone are friends it means you are not at all friends and in fact have a lot of personal disagreements.

I thought we were friends!

I THOUGHT we were friends!

I thought we were FRIENDS!

Biden doesn't need Liz's endorsement, her silence is fine.

Bernie needs it, but it's really too late for him anyway.

[quote]YES, the Supreme court justice appointments are incredibly important, CANNOT stress that enough.

Biden wants Loretta Lynch.

You keep hoping, R122. Rolls eyes at R124.

Kamala Harris has now endorsed Joe Biden.

And Jesse Jackson!

R217

Such a WINNAR!

Unless something magical happens it's over for bernout, biden will steam roll him in floriduh.

OP writes like a retard.

Biden is getting old fast. It’s important that he chooses the right person to be Vice President because it’s more likely than usual that he/she will become President.

I like Biden I do but why all our damn Presidents have to be 80?

There ought to be law you can't run if you're over 65. You're too retired and out of touch with what young people need.

Every thing ought to be closed for three days so people can vote.

There is a massive political disconnect between young people who are tied into social media (specifically Twitter) and older democrats. Young people are the future, their policies are the future (they want healthcare for everyone, more environmental responsibility) but they have no idea how much work needs to be done to educate and shift the older population. and their policies don't have any advertising element and aren't aligned with corporate interests, so they don't end up making much headway. doesn't mean they're wrong or should be mocked. Just that they're not getting everything they want in the 2020 candidate.

Young people's views will matter when they actually bother to vote. Once again, they failed to turn out.

And it's extreme hubris to say they have to "educate" older voters. I'd say it's more the other way around. The loud ones seem to have no idea how politics actually works--hint, you have to build coalitions, not scream about how unfair it is when that happens.

And plenty of younger candidates were running, the youngsters crowded around ancient Bernie--you know the one who had a heart attack recently.

[quote] their policies don't have any advertising element and aren't aligned with corporate interests, so they don't end up making much headway

What are you talking about? These are the people who DOMINATE all facebook postings, reddit posts, tweets, etc. They do their own advertising and inattentively reveal their own naivety and foolishness in the process. R225 is correct--it is the young ones who have no idea how congress or politics in general work. You can't just scream "change" while not voting. And you can't create change by appealing to one specific section of the population. It's the younger generation who stupidly believe that the Democratic Party needs to abandon centrism to become very liberal. Maybe the rest of America will start to care what they say when they realize how foolishly they are acting.

When they finally realize you can't change the world by sitting on your unwashed ass and tweeting to trend or getting signatures for on-line petitions no one ever looks at, that you actually have to physically vote and not just show up at the rallys or use the hashtags after you post a filtered selfie, then the younger generation will make a difference.

I'd add that because of the online bullying and cancel culture that young people who don't support Bernie or have questions about him simply don't speak up. This creates an online echo chamber. I've argued with a fair number of Berners and they just kind of gawp like fish when you point out Bernie's many, many weaknesses as a candidate. That's how you know that they mostly operate in those echo chambers. They don't even know how to defend their candidate.

If you're not part of the cult, Bernie looks kind of pathetic.

R228, all Bernie Bros have this extreme sensitivity towards criticism of their leader, it's bizarre.

Excellent points, R228

How much will the coronavirus effect this years election? If Biden were smart he would be around as few people as possible, this could play to his advantage given how badly the current asshat is chief is handling things, but talk about a last minute curveball.

^wouldn't

[quote] If Biden were smart he would be around as few people as possible

Not very likely.

R233 is linking to a "Christian" satire site. Gee, chances that R233 isn't a right-wing troll are?

R224, many of us elders also believe in those progressive ideals. Instead of bitching about how "unfair" life is, we're out working to elect more progressive candidates at the LOCAL LEVEL.

The groups I'm apart of have been meeting local candidates for the last three years and supporting those who reflect progressive values.

Personally, I have been sending money to "feeder programs" that help develop women and minority candidates and prepare them to run for office. I've also attended one of these to see how things work.

For every 20 old hippie or gen xer, there may be one millennial or gen z. They simply have zero interest in finding out how things work in reality (fund raising, local media exposure, running a campaign, scheduling events, voter turnout, internal polling, etc).

They seem to think that posting on social media is going to get Bernie elected and he will wave some "magic wand" and suddenly everything they want will be granted to them.

The Bernie supporters are the same ones who don't even bother showing up to elections, ESPECIALLY local ones (see: 2018). Hint--most change you want to see enacted will happen at the local or state level, not at the national one.

There's no free concerts of dope bands or sick ass rallies to post on my social media accounts in my local burg, man. Like, who cares, R236?

R235, One of the reasons Biden gives me some hope is that you don't have to work as hard to make his base turn out. Everyone talks about the old guy who had to wait six hours to vote in Texas, what gets left out is that guy was waiting to vote for Biden.

A couple of months ago I joined a friend to a letter-writing gathering for Swing Left that sent personal notes to registered voters in Florida to help turn out the vote. There were more than 100 of us there--about two-thirds grey-haired old ladies, some grey-haired men and exactly one young guy--i.e. under 30. And we're down the street from a major university.

Haven't felt so young in ages.

Who is driving turnout in this primary season? Take a look:

Proper link meant for R239:

"There ought to be law you can't run if you're over 65. You're too retired and out of touch with what young people need."

There's a lot more than just what young people need. There's plenty of need to go around, of all ages, as well as the environment that needs us. Young people can get in line, like everyone else.

The Bernie Bros didn't show up. It's all about looking cool and acting like they're rebellious. they don't get shit done.

Yup, Ukraine Joe Biden is going to win. It's a certainty that I've heard before in 2016.

Oh my. Get R243. You can hear him so well with a Russian accent.

Okay, I'll change my opinion. Yay Joe Biden. He's going to win. He'll be a great president.

He sure can't be any worse than this fucking cunt we have in there now, right, bitch R245?

R245, you're not that bright if you can't comprehend that you don't merely vote for ONE person when you vote for a president. You vote for an entire administration. So do you really want to see another four years of Mike Pence and Stephen Miller's psychotic beliefs where they continue to put unqualified and incompetent idiots in positions of power or do you want normalcy?

Are some of you really this stupid that you think Biden alone will run the country? Think about the NORMAL people *around* him. Think about them actually being qualified to help Biden make decisions. We don't have Steve Bannon, Roger Stone, Seb Gorka, Miller, Pence or any other psycho.

r1 aged worse than Keith Richards