JOE BIDEN WINS SOUTH CAROLINA!

Mammas and babies for Biden!

This is the first primary Biden has won after three campaigns.

When will democrats and the media learn...Bernie does well in caucuses and not so much in primaries.

Don't get too excited, OP, Bernie will surge ahead on Super Tuesday.

How do they know already when the polls closed 10 minutes ago?

Wow, this election is all over the place. Pete won Iowa. Hunchback Bernie won Nevada and little NH, and now Biden is winning SC.

I think it’s clear all the rest of the candidates can drop out if they haven’t won a state yet.

[QUOTE] This is the first primary Biden has won after three campaigns.

And it won’t be the last.

I wish it was Buttigieg or Klobuchar, one of the younger moderates who was leading...rather than Biden. We’re going to have to choose between the two ancient white men, to pick who will go against ancient white man Trump.

[quote]How do they know already when the polls closed 10 minutes ago?

It was an enormous blowout for Biden. The turnout was largely black, and Bernie has almost NO black support.

[QUOTE] We’re going to have to choose between the two ancient white men, to pick who will go against ancient white man Trump.

I’ll choose the one who believes in capitalism.

I don't think so, no.

But Bloomberg becomes a factor next week.

Gentleman Joe for the WIN! YES!

Bloomberg is going to take a huge lead next week.

Trump may be equally ancient, but he did not recently have a heart attack nor has he been operated on twice for brain aneurysms.

[quote]Don't get too excited, OP, Bernie will surge ahead on Super Tuesday.

I worry for America.

Does this mean Hunter can come out of hiding now?

[quote]But Bloomberg becomes a factor next week.

Bloomberg is not a factor.

Bloomberg is a joke. $500,000,000 for show in win/place/show

He actually is a factor, R17. That’s why Bloomberg should DROP OUT and stop helping Bernie Sanders by siphoning votes from Joe!

r13 How do you know?

[quote] Bloomberg is going to take a huge lead next week.

I thought this sentence was going to read, "Bloomberg is going to take a huge dump next week."

I thought, "Maybe he should eat less."

Bloomberg should drop out and endorse Biden. Biden should announce his VP pick, Kamala Harris before super Tuesday.

"We’re going to have to choose between the two ancient white men, to pick who will go against ancient white man Trump."

But only one white candidate has the support of non-white voters.

[quote] It was an enormous blowout for Biden. The turnout was largely black, and Bernie has almost NO black support

That’s not true. Bernie now has the majority of black support via polls conducted.

"Bloomberg is going to take a huge lead next week."

Bloomberg is going to take a huge leak next week.

Fixed it for ya, R13.

Grandpa #2 wins. Woohoo.

The Bros are whining because it was declared as soon as the polls closed.

When aren't they whining? Fuck 'em

[QUOTE] The Bros are whining because it was declared as soon as the polls closed.

Fuck ‘em. Joe can get to 270 electoral votes without them. There’s three reasons why Donald Trump would prefer to run against Bernie Sanders rather than Joe Biden: Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin. The Trump campaign knows that Joe Biden has the best chance of winning those three states, which would secure an election victory.

[quote]Bernie now has the majority of black support via polls conducted.

Yup. Bernie overtook Biden a couple of weeks ago and is holding steady.

According to The Hill

NATIONWIDE BLACK SUPPORT:

- Bernie Sanders 32%

- Joe Biden 23%

- Mike Bloomberg 22%

- Liz Warren 6%

- Pete Buttigieg 3%

- Amy Klobuchar 1%

Again if Bloomberg or Biden were out Bernie would be solidly in second. And that day will come.

[QUOTE] Yup. Bernie overtook Biden a couple of weeks ago and is holding steady.

The Democratic candidate who actually has the most votes from black people is Joe Biden.

It needs to come before Tuesday.

[quote]Biden should announce his VP pick, Kamala Harris before super Tuesday.

He might do that. It could prevent Sanders from winning all of California’s delegates.

[quote]The Democratic candidate who actually has the most votes from black people is Joe Biden.

Nothing you just said made any sense in reference to a nationwide poll when the rest of the nation hasn't voted. But ... sure.

Finally. Maybe this will give him some confidence on the campaign trail. He has so far seemed sort of 'drifting'.

Terry McAuliffe endorsed Biden on CNN.

That'll help Joe in VA.

Well given the tension on this thread I’d say we all need to come before Tuesday

[quote]But only one white candidate has the support of non-white voters.

Well most voters are white, so...

Oldies are goldies.

R34, What if Bernie selects Stacey Abrams as VP?

[QUOTE] Nothing you just said made any sense in reference to a nationwide poll when the rest of the nation hasn't voted.

My point was: FUCK YOUR POLLS! When it comes to actual votes, black folks have spoken and their candidate of choice is JOE BIDEN!

The older the ram, the harder the horn , r40.

It could be Biden-Klobuchar -- Biden for African-Americans, Latin, etc. and Klobuchar for the Midwest, farmers failed by Trump, etc. plus she's also a moderate and has an excellent record in Senate and could be first female VP.

R43, That's hot.

Anyone else watching the twinks at Buttigieg headquarters on MSNBC

Once again, black people are going to have to save the democratic party from itself.

[quote][R34], What if Bernie selects Stacey Abrams as VP?

Nothing...

[QUOTE] Anyone else watching the twinks at Buttigieg headquarters on MSNBC

I’ll take the one with the blue shirt.

Biden’s running mate will either be Kamala Harris or Amy Klobuchar.

[quote]Anyone else watching the twinks at Buttigieg headquarters on MSNBC

Gay Vaughan Hillyard fits right in.

Are there gays in South Carolina?

LOL at the eldergays thinking the South Carolina primary will catapult Biden to the lead

He will do well in Alabama on Tuesday, that’s all.

I guess Joy Reid was wrong. Blacks don’t hate Pete that much, he came in second, they hate Bernie more.

What does Harris bring to the ticket?

[quote]Are there gays in South Carolina?

Not a one.

It won’t be Kamala.

Recall, she got the T shirt. It’ll be someone more deserving.

The choices for the Stupid Old Party are clear: the Senile Old Man or the Nasty Old Man to go up against the Toxic Old Man.

Biden should pick Warren as VP, but Harris, Klobuchar, or Stacey Abrams would be good too.

MSNBC is saying Pete is 3rd.

R55, Glamour.

A very small change in the electoral landscape... but joe will need to get more than 15% in CA on Tuesday ( and likely get a plurality in Tejas). Unlikely.

We need to commit to supporting the nominee... Bernie, Liz, Pete, Joe... whoever it is, needs unified support.

I live in California and I just got a text from the Bloomberg campaign asking if I'll vote for him next week . Creepy.

#NeverBernie

MSNBC is saying Pete is 4th Place

If Bloomberg is serious about beating Trump, he needs to drop out and endorse Biden yesterday.

The moderate and progressive wings both need to stop and unify.

You're not going to win without the help of the other.

Harris brings nothing, today's results show us black people will turn out for Joe. They like him. A Hispanic man or woman would bring more. The Castros have no charisma.

Pete, Amy, and Steyer need to drop out now.

If Steyer hadn't thought it would be "a hoot" to run for President so he could tell his friends about "that time I was on the debate stage with that Bernard Sanders..." the 12% of the vote he got would have gone to Biden

Klobuchar or Warren would be good picks for VP. Klobuchar has proven she's been able to get stuff done with Republicans and she can appeal to the Midwest states. Harris already knocked Biden in the first debate when she got certain facts wrong about him and couldn't take the punches in the 2nd debate, so I think the other two ladies would be good. Biden already has the African-American vote apparently as the South Carolina votes come in, so he doesn't need to pick Harris or Abrams (who didn't win her last campaign, btw).

R63, Were you promised a hummer from Judge Judy?

[quote]MSNBC is saying Pete is 4th Place

I think they are letting Joy Reid change the results.

Didn't the black vote in 2016 give SC to Hillary. We know how well that went .

Warren would make a poor VP. She won't be content with a backseat role.

Understandably, African American voters feel Joe will bring back a little of that Olde Tyme Obama. And they're probably right. Joe might even give him a job (wouldn't that make the Russiapublican's heads explode?).

I want 'Obamacare' to stay and be improved. It's the law of the land, many people have benefitted from it and it was fought for long and hard. Fix it.

You can hear the relief in the TV pundit's voices.

If Joe Biden was smart, he call Amy Klobuchar tonight and offer her VP, and call Buttigieg and offer him a high-level cabinet position... in exchange for them. You dropping out tomorrow morning.

^^ then both dropping out

Joe Biden -- call Amy for VP and Buttigieg or Warren for Secretary of State or something else high-profile.

Warren brings nothing to the ticket either. Amy would be great. Joe really likes Sally Yates and Gretchen Whitmer. Give me a black woman who isn't Stacey Abrams or Kamala.

But just yesterday MSNBC said all the young Blacks in SC were voting Bernie and convincing their parents to do likewise.

#NeverBernie = die RBG, begin building the camps, burn the constitution, erase Roe v Wade, repeal marriage equality...

I hear Cuenca, Ecuador is nice...

Warren is toast. Bernie drew 12,000 people on Boston Common today in the cold. And, he's ahead of Warren in Massachusetts Super Tuesday polls.

Call Bloomberg and make him head of the Federal Reserve or something in the Treasury, while you're at it, Mr. Biden.

I like that R78. Call Amy and offer her the VP slot. Call Pete and offer him State.

😂 MSNBC been telling Mike Bloomberg to drop out multiple times for the past hour.

Pete's really smart -- give him Secretary of State and in 4 or 8 years he'd be in even better position to be President and he'd still just be in his 40s

Department of Labor would be better for Amy so that she can keep an eye on stapler production!

The problem with Amy or Warren or Harris is that they won't add to the Electoral College count. Someone from a purple state would be wise, like Sherrod Brown from Ohio. He may not be exciting, but if Ohio flips it would be HUGE. A reset. No chance of Trump winning again.

Amy for VP, definitely.

[quote]Didn't the black vote in 2016 give SC to Hillary. We know how well that went .

Yeah, we do R73.

White women overwhelmingly voted for Trump because they couldn't stand to vote for another woman.

Maddow keeps saying that Bloomberg should drop out

Bern Bros scrambling to send in $27 each to Bernie tonight. No beer money left to soak the disappointment.

R91 Actually Nicolle Wallace has been floating the idea on her show for the past week.

Don't watch MSNBC R91, but she's on with Maddow now and Maddow keeps making it seem like it's her idea--is that SOP for her?

The Kloubachar as VP posts have to be satire.

Number one, she can't handle a modicum of questioning about her past, as evidenced by her complete meltdown with Buttigieg in the previous debate over a mistake she herself made. The woman has no personality and can't laugh at herself. With all the crap Hillary got, she makes Hillary look like Marie Osmond in comparison.

Second, there's also her past record as a prosecutor which has already received some negative buzz and could really ignite should she get the VP spot . It could inflict some serious damage on Biden's staunch AA base, especially the younger ones whom he's still trying to court. Not a brilliant idea to select someone who favored police departments time and time again and help send a teenage AA male to prison on a flimsy trial with skeptical evidence. A political minefield if there ever was one.

It's probably going to be Abrams or Harris.

Bloomberg is going to go down in spectacular flames. And the money that he's blown already on commercials, there's at least one every five minutes.

At least Bernie gets delegates. Pete gets nada. Not even 10%. this is the end of Mayo Pete Buttigieg and thank fucking goodness

Pete got 3% of black voters lmao

[quote]But just yesterday MSNBC said all the young Blacks in SC were voting Bernie and convincing their parents to do likewise.

Yeah. Bernie’s “movement”. And his Revolution of young people. Guess they were all too busy. Oh well.

[quote] White women overwhelmingly voted for Trump because they couldn't stand to vote for another woman.

Wrong. According to Pew the vote of white women was 45% (Clinton) and 47% (Trump).

It was white men who overwhemling voted for Trump because they couldn't stand voting for a woman-- Clinton (32%) to Trump (62%).

The real question you should ask is why white men won't vote for a woman.

Who's giving Bloomberg a huge load next week?

White men will vote for a woman R100

Hillary was just not that woman.

Bernie said he'd primary Barack Obama in 2012, which he denies now because he's trying to pander to black people in the South. They know better.

Go, uncle joe!

For R99

so r10 you wouldn't have voted for FDR in the 30s and 40s?

I vote in Michigan on March and have been supporting Klobuchar or Pete. Now I’m all in for Joe because he’s got the best shot at taking down Bernie! I don’t dislike Bernie, but I think he’s full of crap. He’s promising to give everything away for free with no details on how it will be paid for...because there are no details. It’s a fairy tale.

Biden isn’t exciting, but he’s a decent man who will make a fine— if not revolutionary—president. I looked forward to the calm. Hope all the other moderates bow out quickly and support Biden so we can move past the Bernie drama and focus on beating Trump.

[quote] There’s three reasons why Donald Trump would prefer to run against Bernie Sanders rather than Joe Biden: Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin.

The polls I’ve seen show Trump beating everyone is Wisconsin. It’s a shit state.

For people who keep insisting vehemently on Harris or Abrams, do you really feel it makes that much difference? Do you not understand that Harris was not liked by most black voters which is why she ended up dropping out?

R107 that should be a Biden tag line: Look forward to the Calm with Joe!

MSNBC saying Biden needs to get Harris’ endorsement or at least support to beat Bernie in CA on Super Tuesday.

R22 Good choice. I'd go with Holder as VP, but Harris is my 2nd pick. I'd also choose Preet Bharara as AG, and instruct him to dig as deep as he can into the Frumps - every last single one of them. Deep until you see their guts and then keep going.

Tonight is the beginning of the end for Pete too. He’s in single digits (just like he’s been in every single SC poll this whole time.)

Black people do not trust Harris. She tried, but couldn't get them to move. Sherrod Brown is a good idea, but it would mean losing his Senate seat.

[quote]Blacks don’t hate Pete that much, he came in second, they hate Bernie more

I feel like the same problems we had with polling in 2016 are happening again in 2020, and the polls might say Sanders has more support, but in actual practice Biden and Buttigieg are getting more votes from the black demographic.

For the overall voting totals, Biden is now ahead of Sanders by 5 delegates, if I'm counting this right, proving again that the early states -- just as we said -- were not nearly the proof of Bernie's "inevitable win" as Bernie stans wanted you to think.

[quote]I vote in Michigan on March and have been supporting Klobuchar or Pete. Now I’m all in for Joe because he’s got the best shot at taking down Bernie!

I’m in Pennsylvania and also like Klobuchar and Pete the best. I would get behind Joe, but I feel like Amy needs to be the VP. Bernie is a disaster and must never be the nominee.

the nominee (hopefully Biden) will have to pick a woman for VP. Women have saved this country during Trumps reign of terror. Women and blacks are the core of the party, and the hope for ending the insanity.

[quote]White women overwhelmingly voted for Trump because they couldn't stand to vote for another woman.

It was UNEDUCATED white women who overwhelmingly voted for Trump. College-educated women largely voted Hillary.

[quote]Biden and Buttigieg are getting more votes from the black demographic.

On what planet is Pete getting ANY black votes?

YES!

Some good news finally.

R119. They are delusional. It seems Biden, Bernie and steyer shared the black votes and everyone else got the small number of white voters in SC.

[quote]For people who keep insisting vehemently on Harris or Abrams, do you really feel it makes that much difference?

The same could be asked of those pushing Kloubachar.

You already have the stapler and comb jokes as it is. Add to that her crusty personality. Where's this huge edge that she supposedly has over everyone else?

And if black people don't trust Harris, you really think they're going to trust Kloubachar after reading about Myron Burrell?

Fine with Biden or Bloomberg. Preferably both.

[quote]For the overall voting totals, Biden is now ahead of Sanders by 5 delegates, if I'm counting this right, proving again that the early states -- just as we said -- were not nearly the proof of Bernie's "inevitable win" as Bernie stans wanted you to think.

I also think this will likely upset a few of the apple carts for Tuesday.

Amy needs to drop out and endorse immediately after she wins MN.

Biden/Duckworth is a thing now.

Why are these pundits acting like this changes everything? Biden was always going to win South Carolina. This is not a surprise at all.

CNN has Biden speaking now

MSNBC has Warren - shocking

Screw you r108

Warren is the one who has no path forward at this point. But I feel like she should stay, because she’s taking some votes from Sanders...which is a good thing.

[QUOTE] so R10 you wouldn't have voted for FDR in the 30s and 40s?

FDR was NOT a Communist!

R22 Stop with the Kamala bullshit. She is of no support to any nominee.

[quote]Why are these pundits acting like this changes everything? Biden was always going to win South Carolina. This is not a surprise at all.

Because he was, according to the bloviators, supposed to eek out a win, not blow it out as he appears to have done.

r126 There was a real strong possibility a couple weeks ago that Bidens win here would be small here so a strong win is a real boost to his campaign. I think some black voters came back to him after the last couple debates.

R119 Pete has more black support than Cory Booker or Kamala.

[QUOTE] Why are these pundits acting like this changes everything? Biden was always going to win South Carolina. This is not a surprise at all.

Bullshit. He wasn’t “always going to win” anything. The polls had Bernie closing in rapidly, and the media made it seem like it might be the end of Joe’s campaign with a loss or close victory.

Well, I'm no professional pundit, but I never doubted that Biden would blow out SC.

Bernie supporters Boo as he congratulates Joe Biden - classy, Bros

Yeah, it’s the magnitude of Biden’s win that’s getting all the attention.

Bernie’s speaking now and he seems very low energy.

[quote]And if black people don't trust Harris, you really think they're going to trust Kloubachar after reading about Myron Burrell?

For some weird reason people on Datalounge believe that having a black VP will help the nominee get black votes.

Black people don't automatically support someone else because they're black. They are as complex a voting group as all of the other groups.

If that were true Kamala and Corey would still be in the race.

That's why I take polls with a grain of salt R134. 2016 taught me that, this season has not changed that

R133. They are not in the race. For all we know most of his votes might have come from whites since he is supported by 3 percent of blacks in SC.

The media is just thrilled that a non-Bernie candidate won a state that is not named Pete Buttigieg (who they fucking despise).

[quote]Pete has more black support than Cory Booker or Kamala.

Single digits is still single digits, whether it’s 3% or 6%. It’s not gonna get Pete the nomination. He’s toast.

Biden-Brown. I can see it. (love Sherrod Brown; wished he'd run).

[quote]For the overall voting totals, Biden is now ahead of Sanders by 5 delegates, if I'm counting this right, proving again that the early states -- just as we said -- were not nearly the proof of Bernie's "inevitable win" as Bernie stans wanted you to think

Math must not be your strong suit. Bernie is leading in delegates.

For fuck’s sake, how long is Bernie going to speak?

Biden would get destroyed by Trump. I would laugh so hard.

“Sick and TIYUD”

Is Pete going to contest these results as well?

Basically are we saying if you don't vote for Joe it's because you don't want him, or are we saying he isn't the first choice? If Pete, Mike, Amy Steyer drop out, will those votes go to Joe? Because IMO the people supporting Bernie don't have a second choice.They suppport BErnie. But Joe can definitely pick up a lot of support if other moderates drop out.

The other thing is that Trump has been openly telling people at his rallies to vote for "Crazy BErnie." But overall turn out is down,anJoe won in spite of cross over voting. So that's good.

I can't think of a weaker general election candidate than Biden.

Bernie just name-checked the "military-industrial complex" in his speech re: South Carolina now.

Sort of proves Pete's line about the 60s

Clyburn’s speaking now. He’s the reason Biden won this by 30 points tonight, make no mistake.

Who else thinks this is a possibility... Setup: Biden wins the election, the Senate stays in the GOP hands, the House stays with the Dems. Scenario: 1 or 2 Supreme vacancies occur during the first two years of a Biden Presidency and Mitch McConnell refuses to even allow a discussion to take place, let alone bring hearings to bear. He'll pull another scam and come up another reason that he rips from his ass as to why Biden shouldn't be allowed to fill the vacancy/vacancies.

Possible? I think so.

Which is why it's super important to win back the Senate, along with the Oval Office and keep the House blue.

[quote]Is Pete going to contest these results as well?

No one is faster at that than the Sanders campaign, which even 12-year-olds remember from 2016.

[quote]I think some black voters came back to him after the last couple debates.

It was the Clyburn endorsement.

Listening to Bernie's capitulation speech I'm getting the sense that he is disappointed about the turnout by his BernieBros. This is very telling to me. He can't bring out the numbers and new voters that he, and Russia, wants us to believe that he can. He's trying to hit all of the hot buttons now as attempt to generate enthusiasm. Unfortunately, he's not coming across as too enthused himself. Just another one that bought into his own hype.

If ever there was a time, it would be this... Biden needs to come with a FIERY speech!

[quote]Math must not be your strong suit. Bernie is leading in delegates.

The counter I looked at on Business Insider apparently included South Carolina already but didn't say that it did, so I added the "new" delegates when I didn't need to and got the wrong total. BI is behind an adwall anyway, so here's Vox's updated counter:

[quote]Clyburn’s speaking now. He’s the reason Biden won this by 30 points tonight, make no mistake.

YEP! That was a HELLUVA endorsement!

Let’s hope Biden can hold it together in his speech tonight. No Corn Pop stories please, Joe. Just stay on prompter and NO RAMBLING.

[quote]White men will vote for a woman [R100] Hillary was just not that woman.

Then who is? Every one who has tried has been labelled unlikeable, unelectable, and shrill.

Even the one who won more votes than anyone in the history of the county.

Sanders is having a rough day with this loss and the NYT article about how the Chapo guys are all millionaire assholes just bilking his followers. I'm not surprised he seems down.

I'd vote for Clyburn,

Can we draft him?

Bernie would make a great president...of Cuba!

ISLEY BROS! GET ON UP

Ah yes, I forgot this state-of-the-art website breaks links if you don't include the HTTP at the beginning. Trying again for the Vox delegate counter:

Even the one who won more votes than anyone in the history of the county.

Sigh

That;s because our population goes up every 4 years, SMH

Percentage-wise she barely edged out a failed reality TV show host with zero political experience who was opposed by large segments of his party

Anyone who voted for Steyer is a fucking idiot. Absolute fucking idiot.

And Amy is not plagued by claims she in shrill or unlikeable.

Unless you work for her that is

Bernie was just on telling his supporters he’s going to take down the banks when he’s president

Suuuuuuure you are, Bernie. You’re going to take down the world economy which is based on money laundering by gangsters. They’re going to let you do that. Uh huh.

VA Congressman Bobby Scott, who I believe is the dean of VA's Congressional delegation as well as one of its most prominent AA politicians, endorsed Biden.

He should show more deference to Rep. Clyburn. “My buddy Jim” does NOT cut it, Joe.

Joe sounds like he's speaking from 1974.

In SC here, a local polling group with a local station, found Buttigieg to be the predominant preferred second choice. Biden received most of what votes could have otherwise gone to Buttigieg.

Steyer spent 20 million on ads and basically lived in the state. He put multiple black politicians on his payroll and donated extensive money to black organizations. Promising reparations to the poorer black voters was a constant message from Steyer. Despite all this, he likely will not win any delegates.

Mostly upstate, Republicans mounted a 'vote for Bernie effort.'. That's the GOP stronghold and Bernie's percentages were higher there.

The Jim Clyburn endorsement was huge for Biden. Clyburn's son, by the way, is an operative for Buttigieg.

[quote]Klobuchar has proven she's been able to get stuff done with Republicans

She votes to confirm an awful lot of nasty, homophobic Orange judges.

She has some dumb reason about preventing worse judges . . . when everyone knows these awful people would be confirmed with or without her.

The real reason is she's selling gays out for "bipartisan" credibility.

“Every gender” Lol

[quote]Mostly upstate, Republicans mounted a 'vote for Bernie effort.'. That's the GOP stronghold and Bernie's percentages were higher there.

Well that's interesting.

And this is what happens when you have a REAL primary. None of that caucus fuckery going forward DNC.

This country is doomed to go nowhere with any of these candidates. Aging politicians pandering to a dumb electorate will never bring this country into the 21th century.

Give us 20 pushups, Joe.

Biden sounds so inspiring and COHERENT

Why can't he sound like this in the debates??

Warren is in 5th. It’s disgraceful that she won’t drop out. She’s literally just playing a spoiler at this point. She won’t even win her home state.

Here is my theory;

Biden is the primary protector of the Obama legacy. I'm sure some of you will disagree, but like it or not, President Obama was a very good president. If you look at all of the quantitative data, President Obama ranks, not in the top 10, but probably in the top 7 best presidents that this nation has ever had thus far, and Black people know this. Did he get everything done that Black people hoped for and wanted? No! But, he got a helluva A LOT done!

Black people have also watched how the Republicans--particularly certain white people ie Donald Trump, have tried to destroy that legacy and erase President Obama from the history books--at the very least, rewrite that history to negate President Obama's accomplishments. Black people also saw and REMEMBER how these same people obstructed him at every turn while he was president BUT still he got A LOT done!

Black people are not going out like that and therefore won't let that happen.

Joe Biden has his issues (most of us have a family member that is like him) and yet we all still know (at this moment, anyway) that he can do the job. However, more importantly, he WILL protect the Obama legacy. Therefore, he will have the support of the Black electorate unless he does something sooo egregious that Blacks will have no other choice but to look at other choices.

Black people have SEEN and EXPERIENCED those like Trump before in the history of this nation. Blacks have seen the escalation of racism, white supremacy (HECK! Trump has a white supremacist on staff and he probably isn't the only one!), the appointments of all of the white male right-wing judges, etc. This country IS NOT going back to the 1950's or 40's. We've been there and done that. There's no need to do it again. So, unless Biden does something sooo awful he can pretty much call a lock on the African-American vote. Also, rest assured... Biden's feet are going to be held to the fire too. He won't get a free ride from the Black community. My naive thought is that if he chooses someone like Kamala Harris (although, I think that she would make a FANTASTIC Attorney General), as a running mate... this show will be over.

I’ll vote for anyone but Bernie.

The NYT reporter embedded with Bloomberg asked him if this changed his Super Tuesday plans. Bloomberg didn't answer. That's...not a "no."

[quote]My naive thought is that if he chooses someone like Kamala Harris (although, I think that she would make a FANTASTIC Attorney General), as a running mate... this show will be over.

It’s not naive - it’s a fact. This country does NOT want a female president or Vice President. It’s sad and shouldn’t be that way, but it’s obvious. Look at the current female candidates - they haven’t won even one state.

Hunter's been on the phone for Joe.

lmfao @ Biden's winning music tonight being "Move on Up" by Curtis Mayfield definitely an appeal to over 45 black voters

I'm SO GLAD Sanders lost badly tonight but unfortunately he's doing well in polls for California and Texas

Biden doesn't have any tv ads in most of the Super Tuesday states.

Is this the start of his progression or just a blip on the radar? I'm afraid Sanders will sweep Tuesday

[quote]Biden doesn't have any tv ads in most of the Super Tuesday states.

One of his PACs just did an ad buy, and they're having their best fundraising day ever.

MSNBC LOVES Joe.

Bernie is losing.

R5, Record breaking Early Voting gets tabulated first. That's how they know Biden's high numbers and predict a win.

Kamala Harris, Elizabeth Warren and Amy Klobuchar are all really strong candidates in terms of their career accomplishments and experience. It's sad that misogyny and sexism have derailed their chances. I'd prefer any of them over Biden and certainly Sanders.

It's pathetic that the US will be 1 of the last western countries to have a female leader.

It would have been sweet revenge if the most misogynistic "president" in modern US history was followed by the first woman. I'm just hoping whoever she'll be in the future she'll be a Democrat. I won't be able to stomach a repub like Haley being the first to get the glory

Could Clyburn be a good candidate for vice president. He and Biden seem to work well together.

[quote]Record breaking Early Voting gets tabulated first. That's how they know Biden's high numbers and predict a win.

It's more likely to be entrance and exit polls.

R22, Big mistake to choose Kamala Harris as VP choice. CA is automatically Blue, and she doesn't have strong enough Black support. Why would Biden be so foolish when there are much stronger Black women to select as VP?

[quote]Biden sounds so inspiring and COHERENT

He introduced the Democratic challenger to Miss Lindsey as "the next President of the United States."

R192 Maybe that was the backroom agreement to seal the endorsement, but politicians are known to break deals as the situation changes.

[quote]That;s because our population goes up every 4 years, SMH

Which has little to do with any individual candidate's vote total, but bless your heart.

The turn out was very good!

One thing about Bloomberg is that he would hire competent and efficient WH staff and cabinet members. He knows, and would employ top people in the financial, trade, and foreign policy sectors.

Unlike Trump, Bloomberg would not pick incompetent and crooked sychophant.

Biden would choose good people also, but with a heavier political dimension. There will be those IOUs.

I love Pete - I would love a Biden/Buttigieg ticket. I don't care if it's 2 white men. Biden will be moving on in 2 years +.

[quote]It's pathetic that the US will be 1 of the last western countries to have a female leader.

Is it surprising? We are also one of the last western countries that offers healthcare to everyone.

I'm fine with him getting the fucking nomination. Just fine! Let this bullshit be over and let's make sure Joe gallops over that orange returd.

[quote]I love Pete - I would love a Biden/Buttigieg ticket. I don't care if it's 2 white men. Biden will be moving on in 2 years +.

Pete definitely needs to be VP because we need someone young to balance out all the old asses.

Biden is almost as awful. I wish all the geriatrics would retire.

R203. Don't see that happening because some blacks might just stay home. Biden has to choose wisely his running mate.

Steyer just dropped out, announced on MSNBC!

Steyer OUT. Officially.

Steyer drops out.

Hopefully he'll keep giving money to the Democratic nominee!

STEYER IS OUT!

Bloomberg next. And then Pete and Amy need to be offered positions in a Biden administration and then the race cleans up nicely.

R205, the same blacks who would stay home are the same blacks that wouldnt vote for Biden anyways. Those are the Bernie supporters and the Warren supporters.

Biden has no chance. The obama connection is toxic among everyone except mlm older black voters. Ask hillary.

How was Steyer polling?

Amy Klobuchar needs to get the fuck out of the race TONIGHT. Enough already.

FUCK Steyer - he essentially fucked Pete over from a top 3 finish. and then just drops out. What an arrogant asshole.

Tulsi first...

Tulsi first...

Glad Steyer ran all those ads pressing for impeachment. They helped at least in the House.

Shit, Steyer was taking votes from Biden. Had he dropped before SC then Biden would have had a huge blowout.

I bet Steyer feels the same way I do when I buy a $20 scratcher, and only win a dollar.

Who will he and his billions support now?

[quote]Tulsi first...

Who?

Biden is having a big blowout in SC anyway.

Tulsi Gabbard is still getting some votes, though she hasn't made the last few debates.

R212. I am not referring to Bernie black young supporters. The older black democrats might stay home because they will feel insulted that they supported him in huge numbers only for him to pick someone they do not like. Older black people tend to be more socially conservative and I know most older black people in my family won't vote for biden if he picked petey. He needs to choose wisely.

I want him to end with over 50% r223 that way he can brag about getting a majority while Bernie has only received a plurality with his wins.

Well, I'm going to praise Tom Steyer and Bloomberg. Their television ads have been quite instrumental and effective in hammering Trump. Their money was well spent!

Yes, Biden needs to make deals with Pete & Amy.

Pete would be good as a VP candidate. He campaigns very well, is smart, and displays high energy. He knows the dirt on Mike Pence.

So is it safe to assume Steyer will endorse Biden?

I lowkey wish Tulsi was more of a factor, simply because I love Cecily Strong's "Evil Tulsi" character on SNL.

But yes, she should have dropped out even before Harris and Booker.

For the people who keep posting Abrams should be a VP pick...why? That's an honest question. We're political junkies so we know her, but do other people outside Georgia?

So glad Steyer is gone. Hope he puts his money to good use and backs Gentleman Joe!

Tulsi ran a lot of 'polished' TV ads in SC. She has been getting big bucks from somewhere.

R225, Where is your proof that older black voters " do not like Pete"? Picking one of the 12 other candidates is not the same as disliking someone. They dont even know Pete.

Tulsi is currently at 1.17% of the SC vote

[quote]Tulsi ran a lot of 'polished' TV ads in SC. She has been getting big bucks from somewhere.

Steyer is like one of those guys buying rides on Elon Musk's space shuttle

He paid a billion dollars for the "experience" of running for president.

Biden needs to pick a black female or male as running mate. Thinking of it he should pick Castro to secure the Latino votes. Petey is useless. R234. Most of them know Pete , they know he is gay and they are very aware of the police firing in South bend. Don't let the media tool you.

[quote]most older black people in my family won't vote for biden if he picked petey

Why?

I hope Steyer donates a lot to the DNC now and makes anti-Trump ads through the election

R238, You are the one letting the media fool you. If they knew the whole story of the police chief firing, they would nt give a shit because the police chief broke a federal law which is wiretapping.

IMO Joe doesn't need to bargain with anyone. Pete and Amy are running out of money; their fates are sealed. Joe has the moderate lane momentum now. Plus we need Amy in the Senate. Pete will go to the private sector, make bank, and move to a more liberal state where he can actually win a statewide election. Then he will run again.

[quote]Tulsi ran a lot of 'polished' TV ads in SC. She has been getting big bucks from somewhere.

Where, I wonder?

Castro couldn't even secure latino votes on his primary campaign, how's he gonna secure them for biden?

Agree R242m though I think it is likely that Pete will follow Yang to TV and become a talking head for CNN or MSNBC.

[quote]they are very aware of the police firing

What police firing?

Probably because he's gay R239.

R234. Well they know him very well enough for him to get 3 percent of the black vote in SC. The problem is black people now know him too well and they don't want him. R239. The older black people in my family are socially conservative and not a fan of gays. They like biden a lot. R244. He needs his own Alexander Cortez to help him secure the Latino votes.

Can someone explain why CNN hired Yang, who really doesn't know all that much about politics, to be a analyst on their panel?

Hiring Andrew Yang is the best thing CNN's done in the past three months.

I think Val Demmings would be a great VP pick but I know some Democratic voters might not like that she used to be a cop. I think she's great and maybe she'd help carry Florida

Biden should pick Booker as his running mate, not Kamala.

[quote]Can someone explain why CNN hired Yang, who really doesn't know all that much about politics, to be a analyst on their panel?

He's very personable.

I agree with you, R250

So, in South Carolina, looks like turnout has surpassed 2016 levels, and approaches 2008 levels.

Turns out, the energy is with Biden and Black voters, not Bernie and his Revolution.

#SouthCarolinaPrimary #BidenHarris2020

For realz R249?

He's funny, he's Asian, he's got great name recognition and he knows as much if not more about politics as any of the other knuckleheads they have on there.

Not to mention they can ask him all those "so as someone who was up on the debate stage, what do you think was going through their head at that moment" type questions.

Have we noted that much of Bernie's vote in SC came from white Republican crossover voters who are trying to boost him because they think he'd be easiest for Tweetie to beat?

[quote]Biden should pick Booker as his running mate, not Kamala.

That would be the death knell for the Biden campaign.

Now what for Biden? His campaign is broke and he hasn’t campaigned in any ST states. 3 million people in CA have already voted. Tonight was a blowout, no doubt, but it may be too late for him.

r255 The correct answer is he's Asian

I can't believe Trump pulled in over 31k votes in Iowa where he ran virtually unopposed while Bernie and Pete each received over 500 caucus votes. Why does Iowa go first again?

He gets Steyers money and all those Wall Streeters who fear the Bern open their wallets.

1 of the major problems of the Democratic party in the last 20 years is that it's such a diverse party it's hard to pick national candidates who can excite a majority of the base.

older Democratic voters are more conservative, both black and white. Sanders does his best with the under 40 crowd across all races but gets killed over 40 with all races.

Biden does his best with the over 40 crowd though not with Latinos.

Buttigieg does well with white voters of any age

a lot of people want to vote for Warren but don't because they assume (correctly) she won't have enough support to defeat Trump

I don't understand early voting in a clown car primary like this. So much can happen before the big day that you run the risk of throwing your vote away.

with repubs it's much easier

Most of them are white over 45 hetero xtians

Younger repubs and non-white repubs are so small in comparison their opinions don't matter and they usually go along with whomever the nominees are anyway

I guess Tulsi is still running for the moral victories?

Tulsi’s presence is important. America needs her voice. She’s one of the most anti-war politicians in the country.

The donations will pour in for Joe after today, you can put money on that!

People wanted to see which moderate would/could get a big win before fully investing in them. Joe won big, and that separates him from the others.

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

Sleepy Joe Biden’s victory in the South Carolina Democrat Primary should be the end of Mini Mike Bloomberg’s Joke of a campaign. After the worst debate performance in the history of presidential debates, Mini Mike now has Biden split up his very few voters, taking many away!

If Bernie is your candidate, Trump wins the Presidency. The whole world knows this.

Trump didn't realize Bloomberg wasn't on the ballot in SC

Not that it matters to Deps

R268 Am I the only one who is just down to thinking "I hate him so fucking much" every time Don tweets or speaks?

The cumulative delegate count so far - Sanders 52, Biden 44. That revolution is on hold.

If Biden wins I'm voting for Trump.

The Root, Michael Harriot & Jason Johnson, along with Joy Reid, MSNBC, pursued a hatchet job on Buttigieg. They are not the only ones. They used the South Bend Blacks Lives Matter woman and a South Bend Council member, with prior DUI charge, who was sued, but case dismissed, over slander claims by four police officers. The fired police chief was engaged in unauthorized surveillance of police personnel.

Racial projection. They need to be confronted. They should not get a pass with these tactics.

R273 So want the Supreme Court to be dominated by extremist Christianist fascists for the rest of your life. So you want to lost a woman's right to choose and marriage equality and allow private enterprises to discriminate against homosexual for "religious" reasons. You want to deregulate all environmental regulations to the point of accelerating the exist. You want to dismantle the constitution and the rule of law. Sure, go ahead and do that.

You can't tell when someone is trolling R275?

Really?

Status Quo Joe will never win against Trump.

Is it racist to say maybe we put too much importance on South Carolina?

Did anyone else read Trump's tweet and thought it was somewhat subdued? It's just my gut's feeling but I think that this huge Biden win has disturbed Trump.

It's being reported by Ari Melber that the Biden campaign is seeing money pouring in like they have never seen before.

I am sure that these days it probably would be considered racist, R278. The truth is that the last Democrat to win SC in the general election was Carter in 76. We won't win that state, so we do put too much importance on it. North Caroline went for Obama in 2008 (but for Romney in 2012) - the same with Alabama, so even those would be better as first in the South states.

OH!!!!

Lindsey Graham @LindseyGrahamSC

Congratulations to Joe and Jill Biden, and the entire Biden team, on the well deserved big win in the #SCDemocraticPrimary. Best of luck in the future.

#Socialism goes down

hard tonight in South Carolina.

Shouldn't we allow the Democrats in the red states have some say in who the nominee is?

Remember all those young AA voters who were voting for Bernie and had convinced their parents to do the same? Yeah, it turns out they split evenly between Bernie and Biden.

Even the total number of voters under 45 BARELY went for Bernie.

[quote]Even the total number of voters under 45 BARELY went for Bernie.

And, that is why Sanders sounded so defeated. He can't deliver the voters. THAT should be weighing heavily on him.

The nerve of that prick Lindsey Graham.

Let's just hope that democrats are finally waking up to the fact that Bernie is an unelectable con man.

Trump wants to run against Bernie, not Biden and the Obama legacy...imagine Obama coming out hard for Biden. Trump would have an aneurysm.

R286 Interesting... I read the tweet and I had this "Jesus, it'd be nice if folks just stopped yelling at each other and told lies about each other... even when they disagree." It might be totally BS, but I think that's some of Joe's appeal....

Obama needs to come out hard for Biden like tomorrow, not waiting until the general election.

Is Bernie toast yet? Super Tuesday is looming over us all!

[quote]And, that is why Sanders sounded so defeated. He can't deliver the voters. THAT should be weighing heavily on him.

Biden is now ahead in the total votes cast across all four contests.

I think Bernie may actually get fewer votes in SC than he did in 2016, and that's with a lower turnout.

If Bernie wasn't such an egomaniac, he could realize that backing a winner and being able to get a lot of input into the direction of a new administration is a better deal than losing the general.

[quote]Trump wants to run against Bernie, not Biden and the Obama legacy...imagine Obama coming out hard for Biden. Trump would have an aneurysm.

I betcha that Republicans are meeting right now trying to figure out a strategy.

Bernie's share of the Black vote in South Carolina Democratic Primary, 2020: 16%

Bernie's share of the Black vote in South Carolina Democratic Primary, 2016: 14%

As soon as voters see Joe as a winner they will start lining-up. He'll start hoovering-up those all-important Independents and Undecideds.

And he's Teflon. Burisma and Barr are not going to hurt him. After the whistleblower, the voters know what's up.

R292 Is it Bernie backing the winner or Bernie backstabbing the winner? Is there any difference?

[quote]I can't think of a weaker general election candidate than Biden.

I can: Bernie Sanders.

[quote]I betcha that Republicans are meeting right now trying to figure out a strategy.

"Joe Biden's win is the reason for the stock market hoax, and DOCTOR Jill Biden started coronavirus"

Bernie will say he is backing the winner. His supporters on the other hand....

I saw a new poll today where 25% of South Carolina Bernie supporters wouldn't commit to backing the nominee.

Bernie got about 96,500 votes in 2016. He's right now at about 88,000, and that's with about 14% yet to come in.

I doubt that unless every single vote that left to be counted is for him, he's going to go past the first number.

It's funny how the media, having spent the last week preaching how no one could touch Bernie, is all in for Biden and his chances tonight

I miss Poll Troll.

[quote]Am I the only one who is just down to thinking "I hate him so fucking much" every time Don tweets or speaks?

Hell, no. I'm right there with you.

There is just something that scares me about Biden v Trump.... I don't know if I trust he can pull it off.

If Biden chooses Kamala or another woman for Vice President running mate, we'll lose it to Trump. Not because such choices on Biden's part would be wrong--but because it won't get the Dems elected, not this time while we're trying to get Trump and Pence out of the White House in November. Please, no.

If my math is right, even before the votes that have yet to come in, more than 100K more people voted at this time than in 2008.

Pete is having a personal meeting with Jimmy Carter tomorrow. I'm not sure what to make of that.

[quote] She votes to confirm an awful lot of nasty, homophobic Orange judges. She has some dumb reason about preventing worse judges . . . when everyone knows these awful people would be confirmed with or without her. The real reason is she's selling gays out for "bipartisan" credibility.

That “bipartisan credibility” allows her to have working relationships with Republican Senators, and allows her to get their support for some of her bills...in exchange for her votes on some of their judges. There’s a reason she’s been so proficient in getting legislation passed in the Senate, and it’s all about strategic voting and alliances and making deals. Amy is really good at it.

Biden / Buttigieg ‘20

Can BIden actually pick Obama for VP if Obama promises (since he can't be President again) that in the event Biden couldn't fulfill duties, he would decline (be unable to be Prez again) and fall to next in line? It would really shit in the face to Trump and get out the Dems to vote!

Carter has always been somewhat a contrarian so I wouldn't rule out him endorsing Pete.

Bernie is on track to win Texas and California, which are far bigger states than South Carolina.

Biden won in South Carolina because black moderates absolutely love him. But there are very few states where black moderates are a big voting bloc.

You people picking out VP possibilities for Biden like they were china patterns should really stop for a moment and think this through.

R312 neither win is expected to be the blowout it was tonight and since it's not winner take all with delegates...I'd say Bernie will be feeling the burn.

[quote]Now what for Biden? His campaign is broke and he hasn’t campaigned in any ST states

He needs to convince Pete and Amy to drop out and endorse him in the next 24 hours.

As Bernie starts flailing, asking for recounts, etc. he will start looking more like what he is: a cranky, rumpled University Asst. Professor who forgot his garage key card 10 times this month.

[quote]1 of the major problems of the Democratic party in the last 20 years is that it's such a diverse party it's hard to pick national candidates who can excite a majority of the base.

The Bernie/AOC type people need to form their own third party and stop pretending to be Democrats.

Obama’s former campaign manager that’s been on MSNBC all night is a hot daddy. He says it’s now a two person race: Biden or Bernie will be the nominee.

R312 Bernie is 70% lock on the nomination. Yesterday he was 95%

r316, Democrats won big in the midterms because Bernie and AOC type progressives came out to vote for Democrats that were moderates. We need them.

r316, Democrats won big in the midterms because Bernie and AOC type progressives came out to vote for Democrats that were moderates. We need them.

Pete is my #1 and I know I’m living in a bit of a fantasy but it’s depressing as fuck that this race will come down to three ancient white men duking it out to be the one to go up against the old orange buffoon.

Every time the Democratic Party goes after the youth vote they lose

I actually love that Trump is trolling Bloomberg, calling his campaign a joke and his debate performance the worst in history. Trump is right about all of that.

R315's picture shows the grifting humpback to have a sphincter-like mouth, just like Trump, only Bernie's looks like a gaped, old hole. GAF!

Yet another reason I hope he's not elected. I'm syck and tyad of these anusmouthed screamers.

R319 Absolutely! Big tent! This is how Democrats used to win... broad spectrum of ideas. A diverse party. Biden fans better damn well vote for Bernie if he's nominated. Bernie Bots better damn well vote for Joe if he's nominated. a UNITED center-left to take out the Dictator.

Actually, it was republican, white women from the suburbs that gave the moderates a win, r319. It was suburban districts that flipped from red to blue, but of course progressives like to take credit for the win.

Pete beats Bernie in Iowa The media: Crickets

Biden beats Bernie in South Carolina Media: THIS CHANGES THE WHOLE FUCKING RACE!

R314 actually I hope she stays so she can chip away at Bernie’s votes in MN. It’s only two days I don’t see why she wouldn’t.

Then, just like Steyer and SC, she can drop the f out.

"He needs to convince Pete and Amy to drop out"

Excuse me? Is it because I'm a woman, do you think I'm dumb? Look, we started this fight in a blizzard, and the receipts show I'm most definitely still a contender. I just got the endorsement of the Weekly Messenger in Bottom Lick, KY. So before you count me out remember I'm a gal who gets things done! I may not be a genius like Pete, or a billionaire like Mike and Tom... but the bread basket of America loves me, I'm one of them, I'm bread. Got to amyneedsbread dot com and HELP ME!

That's actually a good question, R310. What in the Constitution would prevent Biden from choosing Obama as his VP? Should something happen to Biden Obama couldn't be president. Would it therefore fall to the Speaker of the House? AND... we all know who that would be...

While Bernie seems to have the lead in most Texas polls, he and Biden aren't that far apart. Biden's performance tonight could give him some momentum to close the gap on Tuesday. However, early voting is exceeding 2016 levels, but not reaching 2008 levels. That means a lot of people have already voted prior to today. It's possible that Biden may not have received big numbers since all during the early voting period the media has been counting him out. And Texas Democrats have a habit of picking unelectable candidates, so Bernie should be a shoo-in.

R327 Iowa was a squeaker. How can you freaking compare?

Also, drink every time John King says “go at the margins.” You’ll be on the floor in 5.

R337 Ah, give it a rest. Bernie got more votes than Pete in Iowa. Peter barely won in delegates. (And the big story was the delated results of messed up process). Biden was supposed to win by 5% in South Carolina, it looks like he won by 30%. It's a huge story.

r333, Pete was supposed to come in 4th place in Iowa after Bernie, Biden, and Warren. He beat them all.

The VP has to meet all of the same qualifications as the President. Obama is no longer eligible because of the 22nd Amendment. Did any of you take Civics?

Holy shit is anyone watching CNN.. did they just say Pete is considering dropping out???

R334 He had fewer popular votes than Bernie. He did surprisingly well. But what happened to day in South Carolina is simply a bigger story.

There is a theory that because the 22nd amendment states that a President can only be elected twice, that Obama could serve as VP, and he could take Biden's place if necessary, because he wouldn't be ELECTED to do so. He would not be able to run for re-election in that case, however.

This theory is completely untested, and would likely read as shenanigans to most Americans.

Aside from that, why would Obama want to be VP?

I hope Pete does drop out. I know other supporters of his that have Bernie as their second choice.

Did they, R336? If he is, then I hope its because Biden has offered him a potential job in his administration to do so.

Of course many of us have, R335

[quote]No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this Article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President, when this Article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this Article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.

Now, tell me where the office holder of the VP is mentioned in here. The question is; What specifically prevents Biden from choosing Obama as his VP?

[quote]Holy shit is anyone watching CNN.. did they just say Pete is considering dropping out???

Pete and Amy are both going to go soon. They’re just taking votes away from Biden at this point, and Biden needs to those votes to beat Sanders. They both know that Sanders is a path to disaster and needs to be defeated.

I suspect Biden will make deals with both of them. Amy will likely be Joe’s VP.

R366 I saw a lot of their talking heads saying that he should consider dropping out, but in his speech tonight (which CNN didn't bother to show) he didn't give any indication of dropping out, and talked about Super Tuesday and beyond.

We need someone BLACK as the VP, whether its Bernie or Biden. Stop with these delusional Pete as VP ideas.

Bernie: Decriminalize border & cover undocumented for health care, let felons vote, ban death penalty, ban fracking, $55-60 trillion in new spending. We lose 48 states and Congress.

FWIW, Biden needs Amy to stay in so she can win MN, which would likely go to Bernie otherwise

Don't do it Pete, not until Monday afternoon!

Pete will be in my city Monday morning, and I was going to use that as an opportunity to seduce him!

Do we need a black VP because the idea is that black people won't vote for an all white ticket? Or is it that white lefty, SJWs won't?

I am not opposed to a black VP, I am just curious. If Pete could bring his supporters over to Biden as VP, that would seem like a good plan, as he has consistently beat Warren and Amy, has more black support than Amy, and is from the midwest.

[quote]We need someone BLACK as the VP, whether its Bernie or Biden. Stop with these delusional Pete as VP ideas.

No. Biden doesn’t need someone BLACK as his VP. He has very strong black support on his own.

He needs someone who can deliver the Midwest, bring out suburban women and moderates, and who is qualified to step in as President on day one If needed due to Biden’s age.

That candidate is Amy Klobuchar.

R345 BS. Polls show Bernie, like Biden, beating Trump nationally and in the critical swing states. If Bernie nominated, he can win, and we need to support him 100%,

Now I'm thinking Pete's meeting with Carter might really be a meeting to reflect and seek advice going forward. He might drop tomorrow.

Exactly R345. Bernie will screw us all.

R351 My thought exactly. What kind of moment would it be for Pete and Carter to have a "national unity" press conference and announce their support of Joe? Can you imagine the anger among fringe Bernie supporters...?

If he does drop out before Tuesday, there's no reason to do so unless he formally endorses Joe Biden.

R352 Democrats need to stop this BS. If Bernie's nominated, he can win, and would accomplish a lot, to the degree the Congress allows. If you don't want Bernie, work for the candidate you like. If Joe's nominate, we support him. If Bernie's nominated, we support him.

[quote]There is a theory that because the 22nd amendment states that a President can only be elected twice, that Obama could serve as VP, and he could take Biden's place if necessary, because he wouldn't be ELECTED to do so. He would not be able to run for re-election in that case, however. This theory is completely untested, and would likely read as shenanigans to most Americans. Aside from that, why would Obama want to be VP?

Oh.... wouldn't it be lovely to shove such an event into the face of Mitch McConnell!!!! Why would Obama want to do such a thing? Maybe to secure and build upon ObamaCare? World peace?

Michelle would never allow it.

Warren truly out snaked herself tonight. Her campaign is essentially admitting their entire purpose is to take as many delegates from Bernie that they can. Is she the biggest lying hypocrite we’ve had this entire cycle? I can’t think of an attack she’s used that she hasn’t ended up doing herself.

Turnout's not that much lower than 2008, and Biden's final total isn't going to be too far shy of what Hillary got in 2016 with only two candidates in the race.

[quote]Democrats need to stop this BS. If Bernie's nominated, he can win,

Bernie has shown in these races already that he cannot bring out these new voters that he says would come out for him.

R357 I am voting for Warren in CA primary. I think she'd make the best President. It's called democracy.

[quote]If he does drop out before Tuesday, there's no reason to do so unless he formally endorses Joe Biden.

He will endorse Biden.

[quote]Her campaign is essentially admitting their entire purpose is to take as many delegates from Bernie that they can. Is she the biggest lying hypocrite we’ve had this entire cycle?

I don’t know what her real motivation is...but I have no problem with Warren staying in, because it only hurts Bernie...which is good.

[quote]If Bernie's nominated, he can win, and would accomplish a lot, to the degree the Congress allows.

Bullshit. Bernie will accomplish absolutely nothing. He has a 30 year track record in the Senate of doing absolutely nothing.

R363 Three words: Ruth Bader Ginsberg.

[quote]There’s a reason she’s been so proficient in getting legislation passed in the Senate, and it’s all about strategic voting and alliances and making deals. Amy is really good at it.

So she says. Never see her at any bill-signing ceremonies. Has she gotten legislation signed into law since January 2017? HAs she figured out how to navigate this environment? She doesn't talk about these legislative achievements in much detail or any of the people whose lives they've made better.

Bernie is adamant about keeping the US out of foreign wars. Joe is, uh, not.

That is a pretty potent argument for a lot of people and some of you should acknowledge that. Trump will paint Biden as a warmonger, but he can't do that with Sanders.

Yeah, OK

Oh FFS, R366.

South Carolina hasn't gone Democratic since 1960. It shouldn't even bother with a democratic primary.

All the money and time wasted on these unimportant early-Primary states is completely absurd.

R369 Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. No primary in FLA or Ohio or PA either. stupid

FYI, watching UCLA basketball in CA.... Steyer ad on TV. Guess they can't cancel them, eh?

[quote]It was an enormous blowout for Biden. The turnout was largely black, and Bernie has almost NO black support.

That rancid old mountebank Bernie Sanders will soon revive his stunningly anti-democratic line he tried in 2016 that "Voters in red states that won't go to a Democrat in the general election should NOT BE ALLOWED to choose our nominee!" Really like something Trump would say, but I imagine the craed Berners on Twitter are typing it RIGHT NOW!

South Carolinians are brain-dead because of 200 years of conservative control of education. They literally can't read and don't understand anything that happens. Worrying about their opnion is like currying favor with an insect.

R373 = dictionary definition of mindless trolling.

So the Bros new tactic is to attack the Democratic voters of South Carolina because they didn't fall for Bernie's bullshit?

First, kudos to R372 for using "mountebank".

Second, Pete has a rally scheduled in Dallas for Sunday evening, which I'm planning to attend. But I heard that it's possible it may be canceled. So it's possible something is up.

This thread will be fun to bump when Bernie wins the nomination!

And it will be sad to bump when he loses in November!

In a general, if Biden can’t win the black vote on his own no black VP can help him.

Biden/Buttigieg

Biden peaked tonight in SC. He'll never have another result as victorious.

As for those promoting his choosing Clyburn as VP, Clyburn is 79 to Biden's 77.

Bernie will not win the nomination. But the fucker will try to mount some type of Third-Party run, probably along with Tutsi Gabbard. They’re both assholes that want to disrupt everything as much as possible... to ensure another Trump term.

R380 Bernie is 78 with a bum ticker. None of this makes sense.

R380 He won by 30%. I don't think he'll need to repeat this "peak"....

What tonight tells me is that there has to be some type of action(s) implemented to make the media accountable for what they do! The media is so consumed with the horse race rather than the substance of the candidates. From my memory this all really started when Gore was running for president. It's nothing but polls, polls, and more polls! Who is winning. Who is losing, etc.

In my opinion, this all runs the risks of affecting turnout,etc.

It’s sad that Biden is really a default candidate. He needs as much help from others as he can get because he can’t carry himself. That doesn’t bode well for the General.

I voted for Pete. But if Biden has any chance of clinching the nomination, Obama needs to get his ass out to California and Texas to save him.

There’s going to be a lot of uncertainty all the way through. Even if narrows down to Biden and Sanders... either one could die at any time before the Convention. Ideally they should each name their running mate as soon as possible to avoid a lot of chaos upon one of their deaths.

Pete will win California!

Surgeons have drilled into Biden's brain on two occasions for aneurysms.

He should not be running for POTUS.

R231. I don’t get Stacy Abrams either. She has no national presence. She needs to go win a race before becoming a vice-presidential pick.

R251. I like Val Demmings a lot.

[quote][R352] Democrats need to stop this BS. If Bernie's nominated, he can win, and would accomplish a lot, to the degree the Congress allows.

Huh? Why do you think Bernie can win? He isn't bringing new non-voters to the polls in a primary race where those voting are FAR MORE liberal (allegedly) and likely to support him?

WHO exactly will be doing all of Bernie's heavy lifting legislatively? All those "corporatist and centrist" real Democrats he's been shitting all over since 2016? The same ones who endorsed Hillary and NOT HIM?

You're dreaming!

No mater who the Dem nominee is, forget picking Pete, a black woman, a Latino man or anything in between.

The Dem presidential nominee needs to pick the most vicious pit bull attack dog killer available for vice-president. The only goal is to defeat Trump. Forget being black, white or nice. Pick the dirtiest most brutal motherfucker around who can relentlessly attack Trump. The Dems need to be mean, nasty and fucking explosive to defeat Trump. That’s how you win against mob boss criminal.

It appears SC just broke the 2008 record for primary voters!

Ole Bernie was right! He's really bringing out the younger and formerly non-voters....for JOE BIDEN!

Joe Biden/ Mitch Landrieu. Mitch tore down those Confederate monuments. He's a Southerner. Well spoken. And a fighter.

Shame he won't remember he won SC by, say, next week.

[quote]South Carolina hasn't gone Democratic since 1960. It shouldn't even bother with a democratic primary.

That's the whole reason I'm glad these states have early primaries. It's about the only time their voice "counts" in presidential elections. No need to give the swing states even MORE power.

^And yes I realize that doesn't make sense in terms of strategy or practicality, I just think the whole election always hinging on the same few states is some bullshit

R338 "why would Obama want to be VP?:

To give Trump conniption fits and to get people out to vote. Plus, there's no reason he couldn't be elected VP, and once installed, bow out if he wanted to. Maybe Biden could install Michelle Obama, who he actually would like to be VP, if she wanted. Trump would blow a gasket, and on top of it, he'd be facing lawsuits from the states where he had businesses, which wouldn't be covered in case he tried to pardon himself before leaving office.

Just a correction but Jimmy Carter carried South Carolina in 1976

Pundits seem to think Pete's supporters will automatically coalesce around Joe but I'm certainly not and I don't know any others that are either. Pete's not a moderate in the way that Joe Biden is, Pete actually cares about economic inequality and has plans to tackle it.

Pete is my first choice but Bernie's my second.

R399 Stop lying, 90% of his supporters go to Biden.

R400, I'm involved with Several Pete volunteer groups here in Austin. Talking to other Pete supporters I don't know how true that is.

Biden's only reasonable path to victory:

-Wins Texas in Super Tuesday (since Sanders will be winning California)

-Wins approx half, or at least 1/3 the states in Super Tuesday (since Sanders is looking to most likely win at least over half)

-Have the other candidates coalesce onto him. Maybe not Warren, but at least Buttigieg, Klobuchar, Steyer, Bloomberg if possible.

-Gather political momentum onto further March and April primary states

-Overcome Sanders in delegates (South Carolina is a blip) within March or April

-End with a plurality since majority seems unlikely

-Sweetheart deal to Sanders/supporters

If he misses on 1-2 of these points that's alright,

Currently the race still favors Sanders. Even the delegate count still slightly favors Sanders. Super Tuesday will be anything from a lean to Sanders to a near bloodbath to everyone not him (there's a chance he won't be #1 but its practically not happening). All South Carolina has done is seemingly keep Biden in the game and not suspending his campaign before Super Tuesday (a 2nd might have done this as well, but 3rd would be it for him), but the big event may still have him underperform and leave Sanders the standout with the only way left to possibly stop him being a brokered convention.

South Carolina was about Biden more than anyone or anything else. Super Tuesday will decide most of the rest of the race.

Thanks Chris Hayes @ r402!!!

Michelle Obama doesn’t want anything to do with politics anymore. But what a campaign it would be if she ran against Trump. She’d kill it.

*If he misses on 1-2 of these points that's alright, but keep in mind that he's still on thin ice no matter how big this primary win seems to some of you. Sanders' big Nevada win was a statement of 'yes, I can be electable' after 1-2 previous wins (however you see it). Biden's win is a statement of 'yes, I still deserve to be here'.

I did the checkup of polls and projections earlier with a friend for next week:

Note, much of this is approximate, especially considering how weak polling is in some states.

Winners (of 15 primaries): Sanders - 5-14 (rare chance of blowout) Biden - 1-8 (rare chance of having more states than Sanders) Bloomberg - 0-3 (rare chance to standout) Warren - 0-1 (may lose own state) Klobuchar - 0-1 (may win own state) Buttigieg - 0 (shows up all over, but never on winning level) Steyer - 0 (dead now?) Gabbard - 0 (dead now)

At least in viable range for state allocated delegates (15): Sanders - 15 (he's doing very well no matter what) Biden - 8 (he's doing okay not matter what, but maybe not enough) Bloomberg - 7 (he's doing somewhat okay no matter what, but likely inadequite for at least the time being) Warren - 1 (poor, even at risk of not being viable in California and missing that haul) Klobuchar - 1 (own state..) Buttigieg - 0 (!) Steyer - 0 Gabbard - 0

At least MAYBE viable (of 15): Sanders - 15 (is getting lots of success no matter what) Biden - 11 (looking to be a winner, but at least will get a haul) Bloomberg - 10 (can get a haul, even if not a winner) Warren - 9 (campaign may be helped by being viable in most of these, but she needs her own state and arguably needs viable in Cali) Klobuchar - 1 (own state.. that's it, she's out) Buttigieg - 6 (campaign might continue if he's viable in most of these?) Steyer - 0 Gabbard - 0

Placement in order of most likely to win the most valuable states: 1. Sanders (Cali, some others including VT, maybe a few others) 2. Biden (maybe Texas, maybe some other non-Cali top states) 3. Bloomberg (a couple shots at winning something) 4. Warren/Klobuchar (their own.. that's it; at most Warren will barely survive) 5. Buttigieg, Steyer, Gabbard (none, goodbye, sorry DL Pete fans)

-Biden might get a bump from South Carolina results, Sanders might get a dip, others likely get a dip -Sanders has strength almost everywhere except a few places that don't prefer him, Biden has strength in only half the states and the others reject him, Bloomberg has strength almost nowhere but has potential where he does -Warren has collapsed, with only a shot from maybe being viable in California and keeping her own state -Buttigieg has no route except to get some delegates and use them for something, Klobuchar has even less though she is on road to winning her own state -Steyer has almost nothing, Gabbard has nothing

Sorry, just fixing my lists

Winners (of 15 primaries):

Sanders - 5-14 (rare chance of blowout)

Biden - 1-8 (rare chance of having more states than Sanders)

Bloomberg - 0-3 (rare chance to standout)

Warren - 0-1 (may lose own state)

Klobuchar - 0-1 (may win own state)

Buttigieg - 0 (shows up all over, but never on winning level)

Steyer - 0 (dead now?)

Gabbard - 0 (dead now)

At least in viable range for state allocated delegates (15):

Sanders - 15 (he's doing very well no matter what)

Biden - 8 (he's doing okay not matter what, but maybe not enough)

Bloomberg - 7 (he's doing somewhat okay no matter what, but likely inadequite for at least the time being)

Warren - 1 (poor, even at risk of not being viable in California and missing that haul)

Klobuchar - 1 (own state..)

Buttigieg - 0 (!)

Steyer - 0

Gabbard - 0

At least MAYBE viable (of 15):

Sanders - 15 (is getting lots of success no matter what)

Biden - 11 (looking to be a winner, but at least will get a haul)

Bloomberg - 10 (can get a haul, even if not a winner)

Warren - 9 (campaign may be helped by being viable in most of these, but she needs her own state and arguably needs viable in Cali)

Klobuchar - 1 (own state.. that's it, she's out)

Buttigieg - 6 (campaign might continue if he's viable in most of these?)

Steyer - 0

Gabbard - 0

Placement in order of most likely to win the most valuable states:

1. Sanders (Cali, some others including VT, maybe a few others)

2. Biden (maybe Texas, maybe some other non-Cali top states)

3. Bloomberg (a couple shots at winning something)

4. Warren/Klobuchar (their own.. that's it; at most Warren will barely survive)

5. Buttigieg, Steyer, Gabbard (none, goodbye, sorry DL Pete fans)

I never liked Biden, but Obama resurrected this old geezer in 2008. It’s up to him to huddle his ass to California and save us from Bernie.

My mistake, Steyer has dropped out. Not that is matters. Gabbard's a non-entity so its practically down to 6 candidates for Super Tuesday.

Klobuchar is on a pointless journey by now. Buttigieg still lacks the minority support that would potentially put/keep him in a front running sort of place. Warren is lacking but her middling place has potential to either collapse soon or keep up some sort of speed (even if fueled just on bashing Bloomberg). Bloomberg is either the dark horse or paper tiger. The classic fight is back to Sanders and Biden, but with Sanders in the winning place for weeks now and Biden having to prove he has the chops.

R407 Biden's not going to win California. Its not going to even be close. The very best he will do, from this primary win bump and if he concentrates there, is to take enough of a placement that he'll be viable in the state. That might be worth it for him, but its probably more worth it by now to make appeals in all the states he has a better shot in, and leave Cali to hopefully (for him/anti-Sanders) to split the state delegate number between Sanders and Warren if she can muster it.

Warren lacks minority support. She needs to go.

California should be a win for Biden, but Californians love to hear about freebies.

I’m a Californian, but moved to Nevada and voted for Pete.

I live in a pretty liberal bubble in South Carolina and know lefties both older and younger. None of them expressed any support for Bernie. They think he is too extreme, and has no chance in the general. I'm betting most of them went for Biden today, although the most visible candidate by far has been Tom steyer.

R160: "I'm not surprised he seems down."

Uh, when has Sanders ever seemed 'up'?

R405-406, thanks for that worthless analysis.

Biden is the least wanted candidate of everyone I know. Hillary 2.0 if you will.

R411 South Carolina is one of the few parts of the country where you can be a liberal young person today and not necessarily be out of place in supporting Biden. Add in that Sanders is the 2nd choice of more major candidates (Biden, Warren) and you have Sanders as the clear candidate of youth still, just especially more left youth.

Steyer's been the most visible because he dumped a lot of millions into the state all for naught.

R413 almost nothing will move for Super Tuesday at this point, so not really 'useless'. Between high levels of advance polling and only a few days to digest the results, the most Biden can get out of this win is enough survival to potentially consolidate support in states already leaning him. He's kept himself in the game to hope for future funding, and perhaps a boost similar to Warren's recent debate success (but more solid). He's not winning over California from this. Results flip fast but not this fast.

I -- and most analysts -- agree R416. Biden's probably not winning California -- but that doesn't mean Sanders is home free. Joe's got a huge surge of donations which should help...

Yeah that analysis was worthless. It's not winner take all with delegates and if it's close, which most are expected to be, then it's more of a split than a win. Think Iowa.

R414 And Bernie is anti-Hillary 2.0, still a treacherous bore the second time around.

"The Democratic party is at an impasse that can best be observed by Joe Biden’s overwhelming win in South Carolina. I had the chance to spend the weekend in Columbia, South Carolina. What I found more than anything else was fear of a progressive agenda. Just the mention of the name, “Bernie Sanders” turned several voters I spoke with from gentle, almost passive, observers of the election into fierce and staunch opponents to the progressive from Vermont."

R117, not 'probably not', definitely not. They are no where near close in polling, Biden hasn't been campaigning in Super Tuesday states AT ALL, and has been focusing all his time and resources on getting this placement in South Carolina since it was so crucial to his survival at this point. He'll take what he can from Super Tuesday and if its too poor, possibly suspend, or if its as good as an overperforming result, use that as springboard into proper rivalry with Sanders. But that won't include winning California - it might not even include being viable in California.

The surge in donations is more truthful and meaningful than any California hopes. Too much early voting has been done already and some here are greatly overestimating a single win in South Carolina so soon to states that don't give a single crap what that state does. I am certain he will win states now as opposed to having a (slim) chance of winning none or just 1-2 if Sanders somehow won SC (the shock of getting at least the pop vote in the first 4 states in a row would have guaranteed a Sanders majority by the end, and he would dominate Super Tuesday).

The Democratic Party has lived by identity politics and is likely to lose the election because it is too divided.

[quote] Once again, black people are going to have to save the democratic party from itself.

You mean from Pete ?

Pete does have Black support. It’s just that he doesn’t have 40 years of political insider experience to have cultivated 40 years of black support.

Biden really needs to eat into Bernie's leads in Texas and California. That is a must. I'm worried that Bloomberg, Pete and Elizabeth will eat into his support. It sure would be nice if Steyer would endorse him and support him financially. Terry Mc Cauliffe will announce his endorsement of Biden before Virginia votes, so that's good. I worry because there's no guarantee Warren or Pete supporters would support Biden over Bernie.

I'm in a Super Tuesday state. I already voted for Pete, but I would support Biden over Bernie.

I would support any of them over Bernie, except Tulsi.

Last week, the idiotic Bernie Bro Bolsheviks were proclaiming victory and that Bernie was the candidate. This, after 3 states that contain 2.5% of the US population, had their caucuses or primaries.

Are the Bernie Bolsheviks and AOC really that insane to think that these small states are going to dictate the nomination, when heavyweights like TX, CA, NY, PA haven't even weighed in yet? They really do lack critical thinking skills.

"The Democratic Party has lived by identity politics and is likely to lose the election because it is too divided."

Yes, indeed. That and the purity tests that each candidate except Bernie have to adhere. Not only must they pass the purity test, but when they fail, they must be completely and totally humiliated, like Warren, Biden, Mayor Pete, Klobuchar, everybody except Bernie. Why is Bernie so special? I smell a rat, and its definitely coming from the Bernie camp,

Right and should be able to beat Bernie and California on two issues:

Bernie accepted NRA blood money and voted against the Brady bill. That’s a nonstarter in California.

Joe Biden was vice president when marriage equality passed. Bernie is unelectable and Trump will have a shot at naming another justice to the Supreme Court. The solvency of marriage equality is on the ballot.

Biden not Right. Damn spellcheck

Why do I feel, that with Biden or Sanders, we’ll have another John Kerry election?

[Quote] The Democratic Party has lived by identity politics and is likely to lose the election because it is too divided.

The GOP’s identity is white evangelical and others too stupid to realize the party is lying to them

Joe needs Julian Castro. He's really smart, and he'd do a great job campaigning and we really need to Latino vote. They're the new majority. Julian will get Black support and I'm sick and tired of the way Latinos keep supporting Republicans because so many are Evangelicals. Julian foolishly became a one issue candidate with too much focus on Immigration.But when you listened to him talk you realized he's very knowledgeable in other areas.

R432, yeah but the GOP is not divided over its identity. So it's going to win. Suck it up lefty!

It's ridiculous to say the Republicans aren't ruled by identity politics when being anti-gay is written explicitly into their platform. They're anti women, anti immigrant, racist, etc. Hate against all sorts of identities is what brings Republicans together. They're all about identity politics.

A party "divided over its identity" is NOT what identity politics are and if you're too stupid to understand that then you'd do well to just not even try to discuss politics at all. It's obviously too advanced for you.

If Bernie wins Massachusetts on Tuesday, how does Warren deal with it?

One thing I'm convinced of. If Joe gets the nomination, he will break new ground with his VP choice.It will be a woman, and it may very well be a person of color. The truth is that Klobuchar is closest to him in her policy positions.But she is about as exciting as Tim Kaine without his guitar. So no.

Truthfully, the smartest choice would be Elizabeth.She will get a lot of Bernie people to come along. But the chemistry wouldn't work. I don't think Biden has the stamina to spend every waking moment arguing with Elizabeth once he becomes President. Biden needs someone who will run and win in 2024 because he or Bernie would be a one term POTUS.

She'll make up some lie, R436. What she always does.

The Republicans identity is white and they vote.

We're doomed.

SC turnout was huge, almost at 2008 levels! Why? Because black voters showed up. Young voters did not. Their turnout was down From 2016. Anyone counting on the youth vote to turnout will lose. Black voters are turning out.

Pin and frame what r435. Amen!

I just heard Ali report that Biden raised $5MM last night.

What percentage of the turnout was republicans having fun screwing with the dem primary

I read you needed to change your party affiliation by Jan 30th in order to do that, R444. Seems like many people may have missed that window.

r445 If that's true than that's way too much work for vast majority to want to go to to ratfuck.

Black voters in SC “showing up” means shit. SC isn’t competitive in November. Let’s see if black voters in WI and MI show up and who they show up for. They stayed home in 2016 and we lost.

R444/R445 -- Someone on MSNBC last night was claiming this was the case in heavily GOP districts but it was unclear whether they were speculating or saying something based on fact.

No one is choosing Amy as their VP. She's barely hanging on. She's only waiting for for Minnesota to give her a slight "surge" so that she can crow about her miniscule victory and screech that she's going all the way to the top!

r447 They showed up for Biden but not Sanders

Amy for VP will depend on how confident Dems feel about being able to hold on to her Senate seat.

That math works in Kamala's favor.

Sanders’ people are not turning out in an impressive matter, not improving upon 2016. His voters are very zealous, but not too wide. They are a loud minority

And they are loud in the places that lazy journalists hang out (Twitter) and frequently have overlapping social circles, so their loudness gets amplified to make it seem much bigger than it is.

It's time for Pete and Amy to drop out. They have no path to the nomination at this point.

Warren needs to stay in awhile longer to siphon off votes from Sanders.

[quote]Black voters in SC “showing up” means shit. SC isn’t competitive in November. Let’s see if black voters in WI and MI show up and who they show up for. They stayed home in 2016 and we lost.

That's why the vote last night IS important. It sent out the message of what MUST be done. Look... (referring back to R181) Black people KNOW what this Trump Administration is about. Do you know how many Black Ministers have lost their church or who are on the verge of losing them because they support(ed) Trump. Just look at two examples of Pastors who were VERY vocal about their Trump support; John Gray--He has lost his reality show; his church has been evicted; and his congregation is hemorrhaging members. The other example is Mark Burns--he's TOTALLY changed his rhetoric because he and his whole family have been so ostracized by the Black community. No one has heard much from him lately.

And then, there is this MESS below! Black folk are LIVID over this!!! These people are done. It's just a matter of time and it won't be very long either.

[quote]Amy for VP will depend on how confident Dems feel about being able to hold on to her Senate seat.

Any appointment would go through the governor, Tim Walz, who's an old-school DFL guy. And Tina Smith showed they're willing to hang on to an appointed candidate.

Money would be on either Angie Craig, a freshman congresswoman who's also a lez, or the lieutenant governor, Peggy Flanagan, who would be the first Native American woman in the Senate...after Warren, of course.

What’s your evidence and source for John Gray losing his seat? I have seen different explanations

Grandpa Joe has some life in him yet!

Warren and Klobuchar lack the personality and charisma to be anywhere further than where they already are. They should both drop out and warm their Senate seats.

Warren's going to lose her Senate seat in the next election due to her asinine behavior during the primaries. Mark my words.

R460 is a Trumper:

[quote]I want a MAGA hat

[quote]I want to go onto Amazon and secretly buy a MAGA hat and then wear it around the house when no one is around. I noticed there's a new version, Trump 2020 Keep America Great as well as the classic Make America Great Again. Which should I get?

He's also going around saying "suck it, lefties!" and such, R461. Definitely a troll.

What I the unholy fuck is going on there R455

*in the unholy fuck

R368 Actually Bernie, 78 with a heart condition and no medical records released, Joe with the Brain, Bloomberg pushing 80... none of them should be running for President. 2024 - President in the 80s.... nope.

[quote]Are the Bernie Bolsheviks and AOC really that insane to think that these small states are going to dictate the nomination, when heavyweights like TX, CA, NY, PA haven't even weighed in yet? They really do lack critical thinking skills.

Yes, they are that stupid.

To be honest this is my sense: Biden was always expected to win South Carolina obviously. He seemed to be flatlining for awhile with the rather subpar results in IA, NH, NV - the Clyburn endorsement was one out of personal loyalty and it helped deliver him the big-margin win. How many people took that and thought "yeah, we also owe Joe this one"

R450, They showed up for Clyburn.

[quote]Truthfully, the smartest choice would be Elizabeth.She will get a lot of Bernie people to come along. But the chemistry wouldn't work.

I get the impression that a lot of Bernie people hate her and will blame her for Bernie not being on the ticket. She'd really be toxic for Joe Biden's ticket.

R443, $3MM of that came from Hunter.

They call Warren a "snake" R469 and do a lot of hissing when they talk about her

For realz

[quote]Biden needs someone who will run and win in 2024 because he or Bernie would be a one term POTUS.

Klobuchar is the best choice. It really needs to be one of the current Presidential candidates who has already been vetted. Voters know that Biden is not likely to finish his term...so the VP needs to be someone ready to step into the Presidency at any moment.

Picking an unknown Governor like Whitmer, or a failed State Congresswoman like Stacey Abrams... is not what he needs on the ticket.

R460, Joe Kennedy, III is taking on Ed Markey. He should have waited and taken on Liz Warren.

Technically, Liz has Ted's Senate seat, won from Scott Brown.

[quote]Black voters in SC “showing up” means shit. SC isn’t competitive in November. Let’s see if black voters in WI and MI show up and who they show up for. They stayed home in 2016 and we lost.

I think the point is that SC showed that black voters are enthusiastic about Biden. So we are supposed to make the assumption that the WI and MI black voters will also be enthusiastic. The were not thrilled about Hillary in 2016. And white voters in WI and MI didn't like her either.

Dear R422 and R428, Yeah, identify politics will never win elections.... (Trump and white identity politics being the primary reason he won...)

Sanders raised stout $46.5M in February; Warren got $29M

[quote]It's just my gut's feeling but I think that this huge Biden win has disturbed Trump.

BREAKING: Donald Trump to reveal there's a caravan of Hunter Bidens heading up from Central America.

I think a lot of the concern trolls in this thread are just Rethugs who were shaken to the core last night by Joe's big victory. Yes, it was expected but not at that scale and we all know they'd much rather face Bernie in November than Joe.

Biden won so huge because of the Clyburn endorsement. He doesnt have a Clyburn to bail him out in the Super Tuesday states. The man is an unelectable gaffe machine.

[quote]I think a lot of the concern trolls in this thread are just Rethugs who were shaken to the core last night by Joe's big victory.

I agree.

Why these black New Yorkers are voting for Trump in 2020 (keep in mind that this is an opinion piece and it's the NY Post)

But, this is just one if the classic gems;

[quote]KYREE DAVIS, 36--the Staten Islander, who works in high-end retail sales. who is gay, said he pays a social premium for supporting Trump. “I’ve been called Uncle Tom, Uncle Ruckus [a character from the ‘Boondocks’ comic strip], traitor, house Negro, Oreo — white on the inside,” he said. “Literally everything but a proud black man.”

[quote]Sanders raised stout $46.5M in February; Warren got $29M

A lot of Sanders' money comes from Putin.

R467 R468 R479 It was a week of all the right things happening, not just the endorsement. His debate performance, the town hall... and (it must be said) Bernie continuing to make unforced errors. And his good speech after the election indicates that the trend continues. And there's something really unseemly about the white Bernie Bros telling black voters why they are mistaken. This is why you can't have anything nice.

Warren first. Then Bernie, Then Joe... and whoever is nominated must be supported.

Joe called Chris Wallace "Chuck" this morning on Fox News Sunday and instead of letting it go, Chris awkwardly corrected him.

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[quote] I wish it was Buttigieg or Klobuchar, one of the younger moderates who was leading...rather than Biden.

I wish there were a huge roll of hundred dollar bills on my front lawn. But there isn’t so I’ll deal with reality the best I can.

If Biden were smart, he would name his VP choice before Super Tuesday.

Biden wins his first primary in 3 presidential campaigns and suddenly the media wants everyone to rally around him and support him? Where was that energy when Buttigieg won Iowa?

I don't get these all one-way tickets. Biden/Klobuchar would be a big fuck you to progressives. Bernie/Warren would be a big fuck you to moderates. I don't know why anyone wants to make that big fuck you to one wing of the party going into a general election.

To those of you who can't seem to let Biden's "gaffes" go, I give you this, what's worse:

Biden getting tongue tied or making a verbal misstep like everyone does or our current President who says things like there are good people on both sides when referring to white supremacists.

And you might answer that by saying that you're just tired of old white guys running for president. Well guess what... that's what we got and this time that's what we're gonna get.

You don't like Pete for some strange reason and he's not an old white guy. But he doesn't hiss and sass like Foxy Brown so he's not gay enough or "queer" enough. Fuck y'all.

Warren kinda did herself in by checking Twitter everyday to see what the keyboard activists are pushing, and she's no spring chicken either. But let's blame sexism and misogyny for a badly run campaign. Fuck y'all again.

You can't let Amy's staplers and choice of food utensils go.

So that leaves us with Trump who is an idiot, Bernie who is a grifter, or Biden or Bloomie who ain't perfect but they will at least bring some normalcy back to the White House. You got four white guys over 70.

Play with the hand that you're dealt.

No, the media just wants the horse race to continue rather than seeing Bernie run away with it, R487. They have no special goodwill towards Joe Biden. They need a challenger to Bernie and he’s the one who presents the best opportunity. They were in love with Bernie in 2016 for the same reason.

R490 I don't think that the majority of the media cares who wins. They want drama. If Super Tuesday could result in a 6 way tie for delegates, and this could all drag on into a brokered convention the media would come all over themselves from excitement.

The worst thing Biden could do would be to name a VP. HE has momentum, not a lock. Would look so arrogant and fuel the remaining candidates.

Man, the reaches some of you are making.

Biden was expected to win SC. He was even expected to win big. But this expected to happen after winning at least 1-2 of the other contests (likely Iowa and Nevada) and with a strong polling winning polling position going to Super Tuesday. SC was then meant to be the signal that this is in the bag for him, with ST being the delegate seal on the whole thing.

This win has happened after a 3-state losing streak (Nevada being the most hopeful of this, but still a big loss). This is going into a Super Tuesday which will at least, almost certainly, be in Sanders' favor, and quite possibly enough in his favor to confirm he will have at least the plurality of delegates (that is, the MOST SUPPORT) in the convention.

What Biden has here isn't a sign of victory, its a sign he may still survive. The degree of his victory is meaningful, but not that meaningful because SC doesn't matter in the general - it won't flip blue, period. You can take from this win that Biden might have a shot at front-running again, Sanders cannot assume to simply run away with this (but he may still run away, just not 'simply'), and that the other candidates are on terrible grounds (even Buttigieg after his initial performances) until some bright light signs on them from ST results.

Sanders may have to learn that he can't do this without enough support of the conservative south, but this could end up just being a campaign lesson that he works at over the next months as he still wins. Biden is learning that while he has kept support of the conservative south, he's still very unpopular elsewhere beyond his worst expectations, so he needs to take that campaign lesson and improve a lot, quickly, or else still be overtaken by Sanders.

ALL CAPS! titles cheering for Biden should reserve for if he wins Texas and half or more of ST states and is close enough to Sanders in delegates. That's something to actually work with. SC alone is potentially enough to qualify only as a last gasp of his campaign as he nods downwards and ends in March. If he wants to win, he needs to appeal to enough Democrats to win, and he needs other candidates to drop out, endorse, and push for him. He's arguably the only one left with the math left to do so.

Despite what seems to be way too bizarrely a consensus here, a brokered convention where non-Sanders delegates and supers overtake Sanders on a second round of voting is very unlikely to happen and is more of a bluff unless Sanders really slips downward (while still leading) over the months. Biden would have to argue that he could, with say Warren or Bloomberg's delegates alone, he'd have more than Sanders'. He'd have to argue not to the DNC (oh they'd love to drop Sanders) but the public, successfully, that Sanders is the demonstrably worst nomination-heading candidate the party has ever seen. Otherwise, sure, you'd get Biden to represent you on the debate stage with Trump, just for Trump to relentlessly mocking Biden as a 'cheater' of democracy, discount any indictments any Democrats have done towards him, and by that point the public will FINALLY BELIEVE IT. Do not underestimate the self-destructive power of party heads overruling a democratic result. So Biden has to do better, always better, with every step/week of this.

Apologies for grammatical mistakes above - it was hastily typed.

After that screed R493, who are you supporting?

R492 Absolutely true. He needs to perform well enough in ST and even past that before he even considers announcing a VP. He needs to be at least nearing the place of acquiring presumptive nominee status, and the VP pick needs to help in unifying the party. I'm not saying he can never do it, just that early March at this point would be very foolish.

totally disagree that Bernie is a grifter or selfish in any way like Trump is selfish. You may not like him, his candidacy has a lot of risks, I know. But it's bullshit to pretend that he is anything like Trump when it comes to corruption or being driven by purely selfish motives. He clearly has an ideology and a belief in a particular vision for this country, and for everyone. For Trump there is absolutely nothing there but greed and stupid grievances and a constant whiny neediness. Nothing else.

For Bernie, it's a much larger picture. You may not like that picture, but it's stupid to pretend that you dislike him for being a grifter. You don't.

R495 - Sorry you found that annoying. The candidate? Sanders. But its a bit more than that.

-I'm Canadian, so a) you can choose to disregard me even though your politics stomps right on ours, b) I choose to not be that emotionally invested in your politics, and me typing a lot of my thoughts shouldn't be mistaken for me being too passionate or irrational.

-I think Sanders has significant flaws, and potentially losing flaws that risk the election. I just also think that say, too many older citizens keep highly overestimating the risks here, as I saw them do for Obama, and I think they're underestimating the flaws and risks of others like Biden and Buttigieg.

-I actually think Biden is the flatly most conventionally electable candidate still actively running, though his position on this has been nearly toppled until SC (and SC only keeps him on by the fingertips for now, with hopes for ST), and running 'conventionally' against Trump is arguably a bigger risk than otherwise. Republicans will have their knack for knowing exactly where and how to target - legitimately or illegitimately - to get their damn win and you need someone who can potentially swamp right over those tactics instead of arrogantly bypass or minimize these problems like I saw Clinton do in several ways, and Biden mostly do so far in these primaries. Biden has shown he knows how to shore up support... and that's about it for now.

-Above ALL else, ALL other concerns including my bias for or against candidates, I want one of most of the candidates (I've plunged in desire for Buttigieg and dipped a lot for Warren, but still) to have a powerful unity AND energy going to the general. This can't be done just by me personally saying 'hey sides, get along'. This has to be done by enough over there in America not tripping everyone else over. It means centrists actually understanding that there is a sea change happening in political culture that they can't just pretend isn't happening or that its taboo to even consider is more than a rude old man pointing fingers. It means leftists and progressives getting that they can consider the system broken but still take their Ws... and their Ls gracefully when it comes to it. I actually believe in ideological and political testing in primaries, I wish Canada took this approach much more, but the desperation levels your candidates get to as the contests proceed and campaigns run out of steam is ridiculous. The only candidate I can think of being an exception to my tolerance is Bloomberg. I hated the man before and I despise him enough now that if I was American I think I would at least strongly consider sitting it out or even protesting if he overturned a pluralty for *anyone*, not just Sanders. The rest? Eh, ultimately, plugged nose and vote.

R497 What you expressed is that I've guessed is actually the consensus in most political circles in Washington. That isn't to say that he doesn't have a few long-term allies, nor more than a few huge enemies, but the ones there just to do their fundraising and keeping their cushy jobs that help them perpetuate a world state of stability - for its better or worse - don't hate Sanders, they just know they very much disagree with him and his theory of change. They know he isn't actually going to start a communist revolution. They also know that for all his increasing bluster, he prefers to make real deals far more than Trump has ever boasted.

So to see the spitting hate towards him in a few corners online is not just weird, its really ridiculous. I easily flash back to the PUMA faction of Hillary superfans towards Obama, looking for anything and everything to take him down, including fully Republican talking points or even lies and myths.

R499 Yep, that PUMA faction caused Obama to lose the general election... oh, wait...

R454, Sanders only came in 2nd because Trump told his supporters in SC to vote for him as a way to troll the Democrats.

[quote]Trump told his supporters in SC to vote for him as a way to troll the Democrats

But for some reason this isn't registering with Bernie stans. Why oh why would Trump want to run against Bernie? Hmm... I wonder why.

If Biden does become the nominee, a big NO to Amy as VP. Biden has already said he'd serve just 1 term, and, if god forbid, he has a health crisis, the VP would become our President. Have we not learned anything from VEEP? Selena Myers was hysterical, but NOT in real life.

Biden-Meyers!! I think we've figured it out!

The worst thing this party could do is trot out an 80 year old with 0 voter excitement.

We have learned nothing from 2016.

R505 More first time voters in South Carolina than the previous three primaries....

The only demographics Bernie won in SC were 18-29 voters and white people without a college degree (there's some overlap). The 18-29 group made up only 11% of the electorate. He's not the king of coalition building nor is he generating excitement. He's the pied piper to the stupid.

R506, The first time voters turned out for Bernie and Pete NOT Staus Quo Old Joe

R507, SC is only one state. Biden didnt win any demographics in the swing states the we need to beat Trump.

And with that one state, R509, Biden has more Democratic votes cast for him than any other candidate.

This black and/or female Veep insistence seems to come from white liberals who are either woke or Nervous Nellies to me.

R510, From a demographic that always votes for Democrats in a solidly RED state. It means jackshit. He crashed and burned in swing states.

Like I said, we learned nothing from 2016 at all.

African Americans will now see him as their choice ("We made him"), and will support him en masse.

I don't think he even needs a minority VP to win anymore.

R513, Yeah that sure worked for Hillary Clinton.

I'm still for Castro because he has the best ass of the lot. (I would settle for VP Castro tho.)

Castro is kind of a dick.

Hillary Clinton is not a relevant case study for anything.

She was a unique one-time situation that will never be repeated again.

"Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it".

Biden will lose big time.

Bidem can gain all the minority votes in the world but it means nothing if he can't get white swing votes as well.

Wow, minority votes mean nothing now? That’s all we heard after Nevada. The BernieBros switched up the talking points real quick.

R520, Of course minority votes are important but they're not all that matters as the CNN and other mainstream outlets claim.

R512 and what swing state would that be? The only states that have had their primary so far have been: Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina. That's it. If you're referring to Nevada then you're a fool because Nevada was a caucus and not a primary.

#519, he'll sure as hell get more 'white swing votes' than Boiny the Socialist.

For 24 hours I've been hearing the thinly-disguised relief in people's voices that Ol' Joe might nab this and save them from all those iffy, esoteric POTUS choices. He has experience in and near the job- there won't be any on-the-job training necessary. We won't have to entrust our country to an Unknown Quantity or radical ideas. We won't have to try a bizarre new healthcare system based on billionaire taxes. We don't have to hope the new President can figure out how to deal with foreign countries and our military.

Get behind Joe and he will win.

R522, Biden was DOA in New Hampshire and Iowa amongst ALL demographics. There wasnt one that he won.

Joe Biden won the white vote in South Carolina.

I think the person going on about Biden not winning any votes in swing states is a bot since real Americans know that there have been only 4 states that have voted and only one, Nevada, can be considered swing state adjacent.

Keep counting on old black people to save Biden's sorry ass like you did with Hillary.

R526, "Election analytics website FiveThirtyEight identifies the states of Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Michigan, Minnesota, Ohio, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Wisconsin as "perennial" swing states that have regularly seen close contests over the last few presidential campaigns.[3]"

Out of those states mentioned in R528, the only ones that Bernie could even have a possibility of winning are Iowa, Nevada, and New Hampshire. The rest he would lose spectacularly.

R529, Not to Biden he wouldn't.

Does the Bernie Bro screaming Biden didn't win NH and Iowa understand just how many people participated in the Iowa caucus? If he did then he'd be embarrassed to even bring it up as an example.

And the only reason why NH, Vermont's neighbor, is considered a swing state is because once in over 30 years it voted for a republican president (bush in 2000). It's not a swing state.

R531, "And the only reason why NH, Vermont's neighbor, is considered a swing state" "It's not a swing state".

Ok gramps.

The hillbots that handed the election to Trump have a new loser to place their hopes in.

It's not a swing state, r532. The only republican presidential candidate to win over past 30 years was Bush in 2000 and even he lost the state as an incumbent.

Notice it's always the bots that don't know how to quote properly.

[quote]Biden won so huge because of the Clyburn endorsement

So true. Clyburn saved his ass and it was disrespectful for Biden to get up on that stage last night and refer to him as “My buddy Jim.”

R483, Near the end of the Chris Wallace interview, Biden referred to Trump twice as "the staple genius".

Was he confusing Trump with Mitt Romney, who bailed out STAPLES when he was with Bain Capital?

NH was super close in 2016. The fact that they rejected Biden so completely is worrying.

R489 How pathetic is it that our choices for President at the moment seem to be Biden, Bernie and Trump. This country can’t do better than this? Really??

Democrats will not vote for a child molester in 2020. Sorry Joe

Looks like the Bernie Bros are frightened. They're typing scared.

[quote] Castro is kind of a dick.

𝒀𝒐𝒖 𝒕𝒂𝒌𝒆 𝒕𝒉𝒂𝒕 𝒃𝒂𝒄𝒌 !

R521 Umm.... the past three plus years we've been seeing relentless pearl-clutching about the Hillbilly Elegy voters... the forgotten white voters of PA, MI, WI (and the forever unattainable Ohio). The "real Americans" of the rural flyover states that the "elite" ignore at their peril... as though black people in cities are not "real Americans."

Bernie can win PA and MI. He can win the general election... but I am way weary of the Bernie Bros discounting the "old black voters" of SC who were suckered into voting for Biden. It's really not a good look for self-righteous white men to claim to know who black folk should or should not vote for.

R536 - he had recently spoken with Amy on the phone.

R347 here... Pete's event in my city is canceled, and it's being reported he's on his way now to South Bend to formally end his campaign.

Now I'll never get a chance to meet him, and make him fall in love with me.

I just received an email from Pete's campaign saying his event schedule for tonight here in Dallas has been canceled as well.

[quote]SC is only one state. Biden didnt win any demographics in the swing states the we need to beat Trump.

None of the swing states have voted yet, genius. And they’re not going to vote for Sanders.

Where is that freak Bernie troll who insisted Bernie was going to win the black vote?

R546 Bernie will win MI by 10 points. PA, not so much.

Chick on CNN just said that Pete was worried about Bloomberg "syphooning" votes from moderates. She obviously mis-spoke, but I am going to start using that.

Will you check the washing machine syphoon?

Someone syphooned the gas out of my car!

Can you syphoon the blood from your tampoon and reuse it?

CNN

Pete Buttigieg is dropping out

The former mayor made the decision after he struggled to compete in South Carolina's primary and had little path toward success on Super Tuesday, aides say

Buttigieg: I'm not running to be 'the gay president'

On Twitter a lot of previously declared Warren supporters are coming out for Biden today. I’m surprised. I thought they’d go for Bernie

Bernie has a reputation for having an awful lot of support from misogynistic bros

R550 But I already voted for Buttigieg in CA! Couldn't he wait a couple more days?

[quote]But I already voted for Buttigieg in CA! Couldn't he wait a couple more days?

Couldn’t you have waited a couple more days? Does it feel good that you threw your vote away?

"Bernie can win PA and MI. He can win the general election..."

Good for Bernie. But you don't understand: when Bernie wins, we lose. We need a Regular Joe to win, not a nutty Professor.

[quote]On Twitter a lot of previously declared Warren supporters are coming out for Biden today. I’m surprised. I thought they’d go for Bernie.

That’s very bad news for Bernie.

I'm watching Bernie supporter Sam Seder on Youtube.

He clearly knows that it will be an uphill race to get the nomination since Mayor Pete has dropped out.

I'm assuming that Biden will start to beat Sanders late in March or early April.

Yeah let this be a lesson that early voting, especially in a volatile campaign with so many candidates is a big mistake. The voter above inadvertently helped Bernie Sanders increase his lead in CA, which I am sure is the opposite of his intention.

Yeah let this be a lesson that early voting, especially in a volatile campaign with so many candidates is a big mistake. The voter above inadvertently helped Bernie Sanders increase his lead in CA, which I am sure is the opposite of his intention.

Can candidates who withdraw pledge their votes to someone else?

Here's an indication that Trump and the White House are shook by the Biden win; Go over to Trump's twitter feed and you will see that nearly every posting and re-tweet are featuring Trump and African-Americans

[quote]Can candidates who withdraw pledge their votes to someone else?

Yes. After the delegation from New York got to vote for her at the 2008 convention, Hillary released her delegates to Obama. It was symbolic, but it was a rather potent symbol of unity.

R554 Nope, I only liked Pete! What's it to you?

Obama had already won. This is still a race. Coukd Pete release his votes to Biden?

Well, I hope Buttigieg got something from Biden for withdrawing...

Elizabeth Warren @ewarren : Thank you, @PeteButtigieg . I know you'll continue giving back and serving our country for many years to come.

Cory Booker @CoryBooker : I continue to be grateful for the groundbreaking, historical campaign of @PeteButtigieg. Thank you for the grit, grace and commitment to country you so brilliantly displayed in your run. You have made this nation better.

Ana Navarro-Cárdenas @ananavarro :Thank you, @PeteButtigieg. You made history. You set an example of courage and honesty. You inspired many of us, particularly the LGBTQ community & their allies. You taught us to pronounce “Buttigieg”. And you did it all with such grace.

Stacey Abrams @staceyabrams: Thank you @PeteButtigieg for stepping into the arena. Your Douglass Plan should be front & center in 2020 and beyond. Looking forward to your next chapter.

billy eichner @billyeichner: As someone who’s dealt with fewer opportunities in my chosen industry for being openly gay years before that was welcome, I’m grateful to @PeteButtigieg & @Chas10Buttigieg for ignoring the odds & assumptions & creating a path for LGBTQ in politics that simply did not exist. 🙏🌈

Stacey Abrams @staceyabrams: Thank you @PeteButtigieg for stepping into the arena. Your Douglass Plan should be front & center in 2020 and beyond.

I thought there are rumors about Stacey?

R566 I like Pete but “grit” is the last word I would associate with him or his campaign, lol.

First of all I would like to thank this wonderful website, Lipstick Alley, for its support.

R569 Get used to it. It's gonna be a Grump Old Men election. They are all one step from memory loss and adult diaper. Heaven help us!

[quote]They are all one step from memory loss and adult diaper

Trump is at least a few steps past one of those.

I can't help but love Biden. He is a borderline senile mess.

I want every single one of them that claimed to want to defeat Orange to prove it by fanning out across the country like a 26-headed Cerberus.

I want them all on constant, coordinated, scripted attack against Republican policies. And for healthcare, climate policy, jobs, education, and normal judges.

I want them on all the shows, on all the podcasts, on SNL making fun of Orange, writing op-eds, protesting child incarceration and at Republican rallies. I want them in TV and radio ads along with the candidate.

All of them. Buttigieg, O'Rourke, Harris, Klobuchar, Warren, Castro, Booker, Yang, the Colorado one, the Montana one, Gillibrand, Inslee, Patrick, Swalwell. Because we really are all in it together at this point. I want it to look actually united.

No future influence or administration positions if you're not on the bus.

And I want Bloomberg to pay for it.

R573, meanwhile the BernOuts will still be too busy attacking other Democrats -- which is all they have ever shown themselves to do.

In was really nice when Bernie called out those who were booing the South Carolina winner during Bernie's "we lost" speech. Twice.

Oh, wait.

For someone who is always so long winded, Elizabeth sure put a lot of effort in her tweet about Pete.

Sanders is always trashy like that, isn't he R575?

(CLAP!) (CLAP!) (CLAP!) (CLAP!) (CLAP!!!) [Standing Ovation]

I'm so PROUD of him!

Let us keep pushing forward!

I’m for any Democratic candidate who can unseat Trump. I’ll be happy with Biden or Bloomberg. As for VP, I don’t like Amy Klobuchar, but if she brings more votes in, that will help. I think she’s wrong about healthcare, we can afford Medicare for all. Also, I didn’t like her crack about Pete’s speeches being “flowery”. (It was a dog whistle to her homophobic upper Midwest constituents.)

I admire Elizabeth Warren, but she’s most effective in the senate. She needs to be there. She’s smart, tough and formidable. I’d love to see her as the majority whip of the senate. She’ll wield more power in the senate for the long run.

(EYES FLOWN OPEN AND PEARLS SNATCHED OFF OF MY NECK!)

What done happened here?

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump·2h. @FoxNews is working hard pushing the Radical Left, Do Nothing Democrats. They want to be, unlike their competitors, @CNN & MSDNC (Comcast), Fair & Balanced. When will they ever learn. The Radical Left never even gave @FoxNews permission to partake in their low rated debates!

It's Opposite Day, apparently, R580

Oh, she’s just doing her Monday spiral routine, R580. Just ignore her.

Trump criticizes Fox whenever one of its hosts -- usually Chris Wallace now that Shepard Smith is gone -- don't lick his boots enough.

[quote]Biden/Duckworth is a thing now.

Politico's Natasha Korecki reports that Duckworth will be endorsing Biden. "Duckworth gave a head's up to her inner circle today."

Chicago Tribune: Citing the strength of his experience on foreign policy, Illinois U.S. Sen. Tammy Duckworth endorsed former Vice President Joe Biden on Monday morning.

“Joe has a proven record of not just promising to help the little guy and communities of color like Donald Trump, but Joe actually delivers for them — he’s earned our trust,” Duckworth said. “I’m supporting Joe Biden because he will unite our party and country, restore dignity to the White House and rebuild trust in our government with decency, optimism and experience.”

Tammy Duckworth, my badass Queen!

Tammy Duckworth is my top choice for a running mate for either Biden or Bernie, although the latter won't take her. Female, from the Midwest, a person of color, disabled, and a vet. If she was a lesbian, she'd run the table on boxes checked.

R587 is obsessed with Identity Politics.

Boris, we don't capitalize "identity politics." Just for future reference.

No potato for you.

Michael Moore Brushes Off Biden’s First Primary Win: ‘South Carolina Is Not Representative of the US’

Speaking with MSNBC’s Ari Melber, Moore said the Democratic establishment was growing increasingly frightened of Sanders’ candidacy, and was the driving reason behind the abrupt endorsement of Biden by three of his 2020 rivals — Pete Buttigieg, Amy Klobuchar, and Beto O’Rourke — on the eve of the Super Tuesday primaries.

“This is a Hail Mary move to let’s get them all on the stage tonight,” Moore said. “Whatever discussions went on before yesterday, they were convinced that this is the move. They should have been allowed to go through the election tomorrow and have their voters vote for them. This is what bothers me about really either party. But I hate to see it in either party where we want to take the right of the people to have their say and that’s tomorrow. Whether they want Biden or Bernie or Pete or Amy. But we’re going to take that away.”

Melber then played a past clip of Moore on his show, where he doubted Biden’s electability and touted Sanders’ ability to appeal to young and minority voters.

“Joe Biden is the center. He’s this year’s Hillary,” Moore said back in October 2019. “He’s not going to excite the base to get out there and vote on November 3rd, 2020. Seventy percent of the people voting are women, people of color, that’s 70%.”

Melber then pressed Moore about Biden’s first-ever, big primary win on Saturday” “How do you square that with South Carolina?”

“South Carolina is not representative of the United States, that’s just a fact,” Moore said. “It will have absolutely no impact on the November 3rd election. It is still the same, it’s 70% of those eligible this November are young people, are people of color and are women. They’re going to decide the election. And so what we have now are three primaries or caucuses that Bernie either won or tied and then Saturday. For people tonight to just get so excited about ‘𝑶𝒉, 𝑩𝒊𝒅𝒆𝒏 𝒇𝒊𝒏𝒂𝒍𝒍𝒚 𝒉𝒂𝒅 𝒂 𝒘𝒊𝒏, 𝒂𝒇𝒕𝒆𝒓 32 𝒚𝒆𝒂𝒓𝒔 𝒓𝒖𝒏𝒏𝒊𝒏𝒈 𝒇𝒐𝒓 𝒑𝒓𝒆𝒔𝒊𝒅𝒆𝒏𝒕.'”

Fuck Michael Moore. Nobody took anything away from their voters, and they weren’t forced out by the “establishment.” Pete and Amy also have rights and free will, and they chose to end their campaigns because they felt it was time.

For the second time in three days a Biden event has opened with the singing of the black national anthem.

Joe Biden will be America’s second black president.

Biden would be the third black president. Bill Clinton was the first.

Bill Clinton’s status as first black president was revoked after his hostility and shades towards Barack Obama. In fact they still don’t get along all that well.

BS. Blacks like Clinton better than they like Obama.

😂 The only BS here is the garbage spewing from your mouth, R596.

Bill Clinton called Obama's 2008 campaign for POTUS a "fairy tale".

Bill was furious that Ted Kennedy chose to endorse Obama over Hillary. His comment, "He should be getting us coffee" caused Ted to hang up the phone.