White Gay Men Are Destroying Queer Black Lives With “Party ‘n’ Play” Sex And Meth Addiction
survive, he would have to run. The men pursuing him, one on foot, two in a car, had begun narrowing the gap. He knew what was coming. They had already kept him in the older, wealthy, white man’s house for 12 hours. The homeowner was the ringleader, directing everything that would unfold: enlisting two black men as bait to lure Zhu — an even younger black man — to his house, injecting him with crystal methamphetamine until he began to mentally detach; then holding a pillow over his face while penetrating him. Finally, he managed to break loose. But as Zhu reached the front door, one of the men caught up, in time to make a suggestion: “Why don’t you take the exit through the garage?” Advertisement
At this, Zhu knew it would be the last room he would see.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 157 | March 19, 2020 3:10 AM
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The "gays" destroying the "queers" huh?
by Anonymous | reply 1 | February 28, 2020 1:35 AM
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R1 I think the writer didn't want a redundant headline. In the article, one guy is described as "bi" and everyone else "gay."
by Anonymous | reply 2 | February 28, 2020 1:38 AM
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Learn to copy and paste if you want to play with us, OP.
by Anonymous | reply 3 | February 28, 2020 1:43 AM
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[quote] Two knew the men who died in Buck’s house, as well as the man who called 911. A dozen others with either personal or professional insight — those trying to help victims — share what they have witnessed. All agree: There are countless white men who use meth to abuse people of color.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 4 | February 28, 2020 1:49 AM
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Inevitable race war that's about to ensue aside-- the premise of the article is true. There is no way a police officer would have returned a 14 year old white boy with a hole drilled into his head & injected with hydrochloric acid into the hands of Jeffrey Dahmer. The author didn't mention this I suppose because he's sloppy or the boy was Laotian opposed to black-- but that's always stuck with me. There were equal portions of racism and homophobia at play in that instance.
You can roll your eyes all you want, R4-- but this is reality. Anyone involved with or offering meth or who operates anonymously on grindr is a risk and drugging of all kinds-- not just meth-- is something we've all heard about or even experienced first hand. It's easier to pull it off if you're an older white man with power. There's no harm in acknowledging this fact.
by Anonymous | reply 5 | February 28, 2020 1:55 AM
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I know this topic has the potential to go off the rails, but I just want to say how much I love watching Jacen Zhu take dick. He is one of best bottoms in porn.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 6 | February 28, 2020 1:58 AM
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Rising black wealth and education, lower unemployment rates, a recent black president, greater acceptance, "woke" culture -- none of these shall stand in the way of righteous black anger!
by Anonymous | reply 7 | February 28, 2020 2:03 AM
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Another white men are the devil article? I have definitely seen this movie before. I guess the only solution is to kill them all. Smh & lol... Bizarre article.
by Anonymous | reply 8 | February 28, 2020 2:04 AM
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I can't make it. It must be someone else's fault.
by Anonymous | reply 9 | February 28, 2020 2:05 AM
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Buck and his "dear friends":
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 10 | February 28, 2020 2:08 AM
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R9 Didn't even read the article. Cookie cutter response given to black people that talk about historic and ongoing injustice. Where is the author talking about "making it?"
by Anonymous | reply 12 | February 28, 2020 2:12 AM
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TL;DR
Can someone just tell me who I’m supposed to hate? Since it’s 2020 I assume I’m supposed to hate whitey but since this is DL, I’m probably supposed to hate the gays. But there’s a black guy in the picture so I need some guidance.
by Anonymous | reply 13 | February 28, 2020 2:12 AM
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Is this misplaced from the "say something stupid" thread?
by Anonymous | reply 14 | February 28, 2020 2:25 AM
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R9 "Make it"
The article is about some how wealthy white gay men are preying on poor, mostly black gay men.
by Anonymous | reply 15 | February 28, 2020 3:23 AM
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Lots of messy arguments.
Anyway. He's one thing - anyone who knows black gay men who themselves fetishise gangsta culture know black-on-black sex can include role-play and a lot of the N word. Whites want in on that "excitement".
Despite the power imbalances in this PnP milieu, as reported also in this long long LONG series of articles, it's finally up to black men who don't want to objectified to remove themselves from PNP involving white guys who want to objectify and abuse black men. Remove themselves and also learn from that and just say no to white guys if its skanky PNP. Don't shack up with old white guys who are tweakers and don't fuck them for drugs, a roof over the head, or money.
It's not easy for some to say no to white abusers but that's the solution.
by Anonymous | reply 16 | February 28, 2020 5:54 AM
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Did you even read my profile before tapping me? I specifically said “I’m not racist but my dick is - NO Asians & NO black dudes” k thanks
by Anonymous | reply 17 | February 28, 2020 6:08 AM
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OP is self-loathing, hate-filled racist. Deplorable.
by Anonymous | reply 18 | February 28, 2020 6:31 AM
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So - because of one highly publicized case, the author says there are lots of gay men around shooting up meth into black men in order to enslave them.
All the sources of such info are from prostitutes and drug addicts. All of them allowed the johns to shoot them up.
This isn't journalism. This is taking a story and whipping it up into something more than it is.
Guess what? If you're a prostitute and you inject drugs, people will try to use you or worse. Ask any female prostitute - they've seen it all. Why is this getting special attention?
by Anonymous | reply 19 | February 28, 2020 3:23 PM
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Ugh - R19 here - so I just read more.
So one of the prostitutes said that because the older white guy has all the power and has what they want 'meth', he can use their bodies. Just like slavery.
Um - that's prostitution. Note that the guy never said they were doing slave role play, just that the white guy was in control.
Such bullshit.
by Anonymous | reply 20 | February 28, 2020 3:27 PM
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White men continue to show the world what they TRULY are...
by Anonymous | reply 21 | February 28, 2020 3:37 PM
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I'm a Victim! He's a Victim! Wouldn't you like to be a Victim, too?
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 22 | February 28, 2020 3:38 PM
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If you're chasing drugs, without wanting to pay and offering your body, aren't you opening yourself up to risk, regardless of gender or race?
Common sense seems to have gone out the window.
by Anonymous | reply 23 | February 28, 2020 3:43 PM
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Um, we are talking about meth heads here. What's the big deal?
by Anonymous | reply 24 | February 28, 2020 3:46 PM
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r7
Black wealth is NOT rising. The racial wealth gap hasn't improved at all.
by Anonymous | reply 25 | February 28, 2020 3:48 PM
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White gay men are still gay men i.e. they have no power or influence in a straight society unless their a fuckin' billionaire.
by Anonymous | reply 26 | February 28, 2020 8:40 PM
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Also: I wonder what colour the guys are that are selling them the meth.
by Anonymous | reply 27 | February 28, 2020 8:43 PM
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r26
But the subject isn't about straight society. And you think these well off white gays on DataLounge don't have ana huge advantage over black gays? Ha! You're deluded.
by Anonymous | reply 28 | February 28, 2020 9:03 PM
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Those evil white folks are at it again!
by Anonymous | reply 29 | February 28, 2020 9:08 PM
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This is why Trump will win again in 2020.
by Anonymous | reply 30 | February 28, 2020 9:14 PM
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Jacen was in the Gay Sunken Place!
by Anonymous | reply 31 | February 28, 2020 9:17 PM
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a crack ho is a crack ho.
now, discuss the power structure in which becoming a crack ho is one's better option in life, then we will get to the meat of the issue.
by Anonymous | reply 32 | February 28, 2020 9:22 PM
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The second I hear the word queer? I don't care anymore. I'm sure the article has other good points. But I'm out.
by Anonymous | reply 33 | February 28, 2020 9:27 PM
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There will always be evil people in the world who seek to victimize others, using drugs and alcohol as a tool. Women are the usual victims. (See: Don Henley, Jeffrey Epstein, and no doubt countless others). Sadly, these creeps often get away with their crimes. That's why everyone (not just black gay men) needs to be cautious about strangers and avoid dangerous situations, as R16 said.
by Anonymous | reply 34 | February 28, 2020 9:35 PM
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White men are making Jacen Zhu take dick in porn!
by Anonymous | reply 35 | February 28, 2020 9:40 PM
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OP just literally erased five million trans women of color
by Anonymous | reply 36 | February 28, 2020 9:41 PM
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R37, that’s a legit accusation. In 1980, Henley was found (by paramedics) with two drugged up, under aged girls.
by Anonymous | reply 38 | February 28, 2020 9:54 PM
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For R37. A long and depressing thread about sexual predators who got away with it.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 39 | February 28, 2020 10:20 PM
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I love big black cock, but I enjoy it without drugs whenever I am fortunate to meet a sexy black man. I also use words like handsome and sexy when speaking, so there is no excuse for slave fetishes.
by Anonymous | reply 40 | February 28, 2020 10:24 PM
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I wish I had so much ambition that I could plot to destroy queer black lives. Too tired from the day job and my social life.
The gay agenda is already full, bitches.
by Anonymous | reply 41 | February 28, 2020 10:26 PM
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I've got nothing against black people and their lives, and I'm ambivalent towards pnp sex and meth addiction, but I would LOVE to destroy the word "queer!"
by Anonymous | reply 42 | February 28, 2020 10:49 PM
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Queer is an umbrella term we've claimed. It’s used in the article to include black bisexual, pansexual, questioning etc. men along with black gay men. It's not rocket science.
by Anonymous | reply 43 | February 28, 2020 11:11 PM
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r13 TLDR version - old rich white men are hiring black escorts and getting them overly high on meth to make them sex slaves and push a master-slave fantasy on them.
by Anonymous | reply 44 | February 28, 2020 11:45 PM
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So the issue is with individual people whohappen to be gay, white and male, not "the evil whitte gay men we can't stay away from".
by Anonymous | reply 45 | February 28, 2020 11:47 PM
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And if anyone is getting high on meth it's their decision making that led to it. Cry me a river while you scramble to find someone other than yourself to blame.
by Anonymous | reply 46 | February 28, 2020 11:48 PM
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You fucking idiots.Buck should have been stopped the first time around.
by Anonymous | reply 47 | February 29, 2020 12:13 AM
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Who's the faghag in R10, does she participate in these parties?
by Anonymous | reply 48 | February 29, 2020 12:26 AM
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r46 the problem is they are pressured into it offered more money to do it then the John gives them a massive dose of meth. Yes the escort could say no but more often than not, they are users to begin with.
by Anonymous | reply 49 | February 29, 2020 12:41 AM
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Shame on those of you for mocking the comparison of distributing meth for sex to the institution of slavery!
It's EXACTLY like slavery... or at least, it would be, if it were somehow involuntary, and were also legal.
But otherwise, it's EXACTLY like slavery!
by Anonymous | reply 50 | February 29, 2020 2:36 AM
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What is it Black gay men are doing, dear? Other than being victims of course.
by Anonymous | reply 51 | February 29, 2020 9:05 AM
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This article is pure trash. Pure transmisogynoir.
Why does a WHITE CIS MALE journalist think he can write about oppressed black lives?
Why is there a focus in BLACK CIS MEN as victims? What about the TRANS WOMEN OF COLOR who are oppressed and abused on a scale never seen before.
by Anonymous | reply 52 | February 29, 2020 9:13 AM
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R44: You don't need to drug anyone to play a master-slave fantasy, there are a lot of prostitutes who do that for the right prize.
The article is ridiculous, he took a case an make a lot of general assumptions without any prove
by Anonymous | reply 54 | February 29, 2020 9:35 AM
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As an ex meth addict and sober for 9 years, any time you add meth to the mix you’re asking for trouble. It’s like a barbed wire between people and can be pulled either way...
No matter what color you are, an addict will ALWAYS put themselves in close proximity to the drug and other active users, then try to pose themselves as faultless- it’s text book addict behavior.
To continue to pose these arguments isn’t going to get anyone sober, dear. If anything it perpetuates an helplessness and comes from a place of fear and victimhood.
Hint- sobriety knows no bounds of color.
by Anonymous | reply 55 | February 29, 2020 9:39 AM
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Anyone who willingly does drugs gets what they deserve. I have no sympathy for drug users.
If you see PnP then block and ignore. This guy is complaining about asking only to be injected with a little and then getting a larger dose- how about not doing drugs at all in the first place ?
by Anonymous | reply 56 | February 29, 2020 9:56 AM
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Buck and the like may get off on racist power play. Other creeps will get off on other stuff and use drugs as an enticement. I was a male prostitute in my twenties for a couple of years. There were punters out there that offered drugs ( it was before meth ). It was my decision to take them. I didn’t, others I knew did. It’s about personal agency and responsibility. Sadly, these mens’ desire for meth overrode their sense of self preservation. That is what destroyed them, not racism.
This journalist, with that headline, is shit stirring as clickbait. But, it’s Buzzfeed so...
by Anonymous | reply 57 | February 29, 2020 10:31 AM
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r43 Who are the "we" who reclaimed queer? Maybe you live under a rock, but 9 times out of 10 nowadays ANYONE identifying as "queer" is heterosexual. Imagine if white people "reclaimed" the n word... ridiculous.
by Anonymous | reply 58 | February 29, 2020 12:29 PM
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[quote] they have no power or influence in a straight society unless their a fuckin' billionaire.
Oh, dear!
by Anonymous | reply 59 | February 29, 2020 2:21 PM
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stop Tina shaming, for christ sakes. Can we admit that parTying isn’t the problem and institutional racism and homophobia is?
by Anonymous | reply 60 | February 29, 2020 2:53 PM
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Why is T used to denote crystal meth AND transwomen?
WHY?
Transphobia, that's why.
Even the phrase Mrs T is synonymous with Margaret Thatcher, an evil white racist cis het woman.
#RECLAIMTHET
by Anonymous | reply 61 | February 29, 2020 3:02 PM
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Jacen Zhu is Asian? He look black to me.
If he’s so concerned about being knocked out on drugs then why is he starring in a sleazy porno called “Knocked Out?”
by Anonymous | reply 62 | February 29, 2020 3:09 PM
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Same, R60?? Where does THAT exist in today's culture?
by Anonymous | reply 63 | February 29, 2020 3:44 PM
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I was under the impression men of color had free will.
Is there some glitch in this dimension that has thrown us all back pre-emancipation?
by Anonymous | reply 65 | February 29, 2020 3:50 PM
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[quote] stop Tina shaming, for christ sakes.
No, we should call out dumb behavior for what it is. Stop making stupid, wasteful decisions about life and fucking act like an adult.
by Anonymous | reply 66 | February 29, 2020 3:51 PM
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R65 Predators, gay or straight, target who they see as most vulnerable. In a rural ethnically homogenous community that might be a caucasian twink with a rough upbringing, sure, but in Buck's case it was poor men of color who no one was going to believe and would be less likely to have the resources to hold him to account.
Stop being so willfully blind because you somehow feel accused being an older white male. You know the type the author is talking about.
by Anonymous | reply 67 | March 2, 2020 2:20 PM
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racism works both ways dude....
by Anonymous | reply 68 | March 2, 2020 2:33 PM
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I've seen articles and arguments like this before, and they all incorporate bullshit terms in front of their point to mask what their bottom line is: they're demonizing gay men.
This isn't about race and you're an idiot if you think it is. This is about homophobia. It's like how people are starting to say that gay white men can't be oppressed because they're white men.
All of it is just a way to distract you from their attempts to oppress gay men again. They want to turn society against us so that it will be easier to oppress us in the future.
Don't be fooled.
by Anonymous | reply 69 | March 2, 2020 2:36 PM
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Notice how they separate "gay men" from "queer men". These people are trying to turn "gay" into the enemy again.
by Anonymous | reply 70 | March 2, 2020 2:37 PM
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r69 and r70 are idiots who refuse to learn. Sorry you can't open your minds to understand basic shit.
by Anonymous | reply 71 | March 2, 2020 2:46 PM
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R71 You can mask whatever narratives you want under the pretenses of racial issues, but when you peel it all back it comes to a common point: gay men are evil monster who want to drug black men and make them their sex slaves. Because, of course, people like you think all gay men are sexual deviants who will stop at nothing to fulfill their awful sodomite fantasies!!!!!!
Give me a break, homophobe. You can pretend it's about whatever you want it to be about, but I know better. You're championing for homophobia.
by Anonymous | reply 72 | March 2, 2020 2:54 PM
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r72
That's not what anyone is saying and you are straight up crazy.
by Anonymous | reply 73 | March 2, 2020 2:57 PM
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R73 The point that both you and the article are trying to make is that white gay men are using their societal privilege to kidnap black "queer" people and drug them against their will to fulfill racist sexual fantasies, is it not?
Yeah. Homophobia. Homophobia dressed up as a racial issue.
by Anonymous | reply 74 | March 2, 2020 3:02 PM
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R73 - that's exactly what the article is implying. Meth use is suddenly up in the Black and Latino communities the past couple of years. Then he points to the Buck case and interviews prostitutes who claim similar abuse. He loosely draws that the meth increase is due to white men.
He says they live out slave and master fantasies - but makes it a racial element. The author basically says white men are using meth to enslave black men just like in the antebellum days.
Bullshit.
by Anonymous | reply 75 | March 2, 2020 3:03 PM
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r74
It is not homophobia to address predators who are preying on the vulnerable. I'm a gay man, 26, biracial and I understand the article. Why can't you? As a poor gay man of color, I understand that I am vulnerable and that I should be careful. I am easy prey for predators. I think articles like these are necessary to address the issue.
We've already addressed what queer means in the article. It is not to attack gay men. It is to include men attracted to men who might not identify as gay who are also preyed upon.
by Anonymous | reply 76 | March 2, 2020 3:10 PM
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R76 "It is to include men attracted to men who might not identify as gay who are also preyed upon."
But it is identifying the "predators" very clearly as gay men. You'd have to be blind to not see that they're deliberately including the term "gay" when in reference to sexually deviant rapists and predators. Do you not wonder why that is?
Implication matters. There is a homophobic undertone to this article that is very deliberately trying to demonize gay men and make them look like predatory rapists, a homophobic stereotype that people such as the WBC have been spreading for years.
So, I ask you, how is this article not homophobic? If it's made explicitly clear that the victims don't identify as gay but goes to great lengths to label each and every predator as a gay man, how is it not demonizing gay men?
by Anonymous | reply 77 | March 2, 2020 3:15 PM
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R76 - did you not read the title of the article? "White Gay Men Are Destroying Queer Black Lives With “Party ‘n’ Play” Sex And Meth Addiction" and the byline says "rich white men are weaponizing the drug in a culture of exploitation and abuse".
It's most definitely pointing the finger at white men for getting black and latino men on meth - with NO evidence whatsoever.
"Weaponizing" the drug is a serious accusation. If you can't see the bias and outrageous baseless conclusions in this article, then you have reading comprehension problems.
by Anonymous | reply 78 | March 2, 2020 3:18 PM
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The article makes a point to emphasize how it's GAY people doing this. They apply a tone to it that turns gay into a dirty word, a word synonymous with monster. Both the article and the person in this thread so adamantly defending it are homophobic and are trying to demonize gay men.
by Anonymous | reply 79 | March 2, 2020 3:20 PM
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[quote] I can't make it. It must be someone else's fault.
That is the mantra of Deplorables across the country. So they blame blacks, muslims, mexicans, queers, etc. It put Dump in the White House because they believed Obama was going to upend their white privilege. For white people, life is all about self-determination but ONLY if they can horde all the wealth, resources and opportunity for themselves.
Not all, mind you, there are some 'good' white folk.
by Anonymous | reply 80 | March 2, 2020 3:25 PM
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R80 - umm...no. We're talking about people who are prostitutes and allow themselves to be injected with drugs and then wonder that they may be taken advantage of.
What irks me about this article is that it starts out at 8pm and Jacen had been there for 12 hours. OK - so you went to a house at 8am with others for sex?
Then he says he was over-medicated. Well, Jacen, if you were up all night most likely doing meth yourself, how the hell do they know how much to give you?
Then he says they chased him on the street but no one opened the doors. Soooo...they gave up the chase? Or did this really happen the way he says? He got away. Were they running after him because he was out of his mind on drugs and wanted to keep him from doing something crazy?
Buck was a horrible person who deserves jail time. But this is just sensationalism.
by Anonymous | reply 81 | March 2, 2020 3:38 PM
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[quote] There were punters out there that offered drugs ( it was before meth ). It was my decision to take them. I didn’t, others I knew did. It’s about personal agency and responsibility. Sadly, these mens’ desire for meth overrode their sense of self preservation. That is what destroyed them, not racism.
R57, are you black? Do black sex workers have more or less personal agency? What is clear from the article is that black male sex workers have much more limited opportunity and therefore can be taken advantage of more easily. All sex workers generally are vulnerable as their livelihood depends on acceding to the whims of a john. There are white male sex workers who are likely dying in similar ways but they are not forced into "slave play" before getting a fatal dose of meth.
by Anonymous | reply 82 | March 2, 2020 3:39 PM
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R81, some variation of that phrase is used in almost every political discussion at Datalounge. We are in a victim-blaming culture, especially at DL, and those voices get louder when queer people and people of color speak about injustice.
Buck was horrible. His neighbors and protestors complained for months after Gemmel Moore was killed. They were ignored. Then he did it AGAIN. I do not believe there is only one Ed Buck out there. He didn't target black gay male sex workers accidentally, he did it because he thought they were disposable. The way local law enforcement treated their deaths was as if they were disposable -- and this is West Hollywood, CA.
I am not an advocate for sex work but there is more to this than just one account from a black gay porn performer. There are many other stories and his is just the tip of a wealthy white gay iceberg.
by Anonymous | reply 83 | March 2, 2020 3:50 PM
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Q—-r is a slur, but this homophobic misandrist writer wouldn’t be caught dead using the n-word.
by Anonymous | reply 84 | March 2, 2020 3:55 PM
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R83 - what wealthy white gay iceberg are you referring to? You target wealthy white gays and accuse them of doing something you have 'stories' about.
There are predators of all types who target anyone they can. But this is taking one case and presuming there MUST be a whole network of guys doing this based on no or flimsy anecdotal evidence.
Bullshit. Are there predators? Yes. But it's not some coordinated attack on the black gay community.
by Anonymous | reply 85 | March 2, 2020 3:58 PM
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It's not only black people being victimized. If I were to come up with an exploited class, I'd say it's young people being exploited mostly by the eldergays. The apps and websites are full of posts asking for young guys, race unspecified, to do drugs, meth specifically, and have sex. When I see any race specified, it's usually white. Less often it's black, as in BBC. The meth is the enticement and payment. We used to call these sorts of people dirty old men and my parents told me to stay far away from them. Something has happened in the culture and now online this sort of behavior is tacitly accepted. IMO anybody who goes to a stranger's house to PnP is asking for trouble.
All the above is an extension of the new acceptance of prostitution, which manifests among gays as mostly old white men, trolling for young cock. It's more about money and social class (or lack of class) than it is about race. If black old men had the cash, no doubt they'd be doing it too.
by Anonymous | reply 86 | March 2, 2020 4:06 PM
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There's no point arguing with tone-deaf, closed off white people. They will never get it no matter how you explain it.
by Anonymous | reply 87 | March 2, 2020 4:07 PM
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Calling gay black men the Q word is not just homophobic, it’s racist, too. Shut your gentile mouth, bitch!
by Anonymous | reply 88 | March 2, 2020 4:18 PM
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R87 - it's a sensationalized horrible article. If you can't see that, then you are tone-deaf yourself.
You can't fling accusations (unfounded in the case of this article) and then expect people not to react.
White gay men are not destroying black lives with PnP and meth addiction. Meth is destroying people's lives. Meth alone.
by Anonymous | reply 89 | March 2, 2020 4:20 PM
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White gay men are trash, we already knew this. Especially American white gay men. The most elitist, racist, uptight, arrogant pieces of shit you'll ever meet. And they are ALL on TiNa.
by Anonymous | reply 90 | March 2, 2020 4:23 PM
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Heterosexuals of all races deserve racism.
by Anonymous | reply 91 | March 2, 2020 4:24 PM
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White gay men and lesbians are the best white people ever and you know it. White gay men and lesbians are the smartest, most compassionate, most progressive white people alive.
Black gay men and lesbians are the best black people ever and you know it. Black gay men and lesbians are the smartest, most compassionate, most progressive black people alive.
Asian gay men and lesbians are the best Asian people ever and you know it. Asian gay men and lesbians are the smartest, most compassionate, most progressive Asian people alive.
Hispanic gay men and lesbians are the best white people ever and you know it. Hispanic gay men and lesbians are the smartest, most compassionate, most progressive Hispanic people alive.
Jewish gay men and lesbians are the best white people ever and you know it. Jewish gay men and lesbians are the smartest, most compassionate, most progressive Jewish people alive.
by Anonymous | reply 92 | March 2, 2020 4:28 PM
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If ever there was a time when gay supremacy was justified, it is right here and right now.
by Anonymous | reply 93 | March 2, 2020 4:30 PM
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Here's R90 from another thread:
"I'm not mentally ill, besides some depression and anxiety. I'm just a radical and brutally honest. Most basics can't handle the real, bleak, utter truth. You know everything I said is true, so go ahead and block you weak ass faggot, lmao. Like I care."
You're immature, unconvincing, and sound uneducated yourself. You just throw around insults and call yourself a radical. No - you have low self esteem and call people names to make yourself feel better.
You truly do need help because you are acting crazy all over this board. Look into it.
by Anonymous | reply 94 | March 2, 2020 4:36 PM
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I say this a white gay man:
When I opened this thread, I already knew it would be filled with white guys effectively, in essence, complaining about PoC being 'uppity'.
Unironically. With an amount of self-awareness that matches their understanding of african american history. Which is close to zero.
by Anonymous | reply 95 | March 2, 2020 4:48 PM
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R95 - well, with all your finger-wagging and presumption, where exactly is it filled with people complaining about PoC being uppity?
Your tiresome knee-jerk response has nothing to do with the thread or the article. You just want to insert yourself as a morally superior white gay man who uniquely understands the African American experience and call the rest of us racists in turn.
You, as a white gay man, are destroying black queer lives. What do you have to say about that?
by Anonymous | reply 96 | March 2, 2020 4:55 PM
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R6 oh yes, he does take dick well.
by Anonymous | reply 97 | March 2, 2020 5:03 PM
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[quote] White gay men are not destroying black lives with PnP and meth addiction. Meth is destroying people's lives. Meth alone.
That's like saying Hollywood and celebrity ruined the lives of Harvey Weinstein's victims, not Weinstein.
by Anonymous | reply 98 | March 2, 2020 5:05 PM
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The details of the article seem valid to me.
The American sense of entitlement and exceptionalism doesn't just extend to it's foreign policy, but has now been inverted and laying waste to American society.
Individualism is great and the best thing since sliced bread, but the belief that America and Americans are special and superior was born at the same time America fought for freedom (but only for a small group of white men).
'Meth alone' - r89, you are aware that there is no such entity as 'meth' or even a force of nature that has some force directly or indirectly guiding its manifestation?
I'm sure you also believe that 'guns don't kill people - people do'
by Anonymous | reply 99 | March 2, 2020 5:08 PM
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Why are the black people that invade this site in swarms always homophobes?
by Anonymous | reply 100 | March 2, 2020 5:08 PM
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[quote] The American sense of entitlement and exceptionalism doesn't just extend to it's foreign policy,
Oh, dear!
by Anonymous | reply 101 | March 2, 2020 5:10 PM
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Because they’re Russian trolls r100
by Anonymous | reply 102 | March 2, 2020 5:11 PM
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[quote] Why are the black people that invade this site in swarms always homophobes?
It’s a clarion call that gets put out.
by Anonymous | reply 103 | March 2, 2020 5:11 PM
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R99 - if the details of the article seem valid, then you have severe reading comprehension problems and don't know good journalism when you see it.
To then extend this to a point about American superiority is just bizarre and has nothing to do with this discussion.
Yes - it's meth that destroys people's lives. Nobody is pointing a gun at people's heads and telling them to take it. And it isn't some cabal of wealthy white men in some coordinated effort to enslave and destroy black men.
by Anonymous | reply 104 | March 2, 2020 5:15 PM
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R82 - I’m not black. But there was a bunch of us, we all hung out together. White and black British, Brazilian, Australian, Kiwi, French. And, FFS, yes, they all had ‘agency’ and would tell you to go fuck yourself for assuming they didn’t. It would be seen as an insult. These men worked in gyms, as bouncers, as models, as dancers. It was London in the 80s and none of us took shit. We were all young, well built men making extra cash and, particularly at the time because of AIDS, dictating exactly what we would do, when and how much for. Were there creeps ? Yes ! Some dodgy moments ? Yes ?
But none of us were drug addicts. Though some may have teetered on the brink. No one forces you to do anything unless your need for a drug robs you of your agency. Meth does that with so many. Of all ethnic backgrounds. As for slave play, as I said, of course there are creeps and there’ll be some who get off on some weird colonial shit. But there are others where it will be ageplay, Daddy/son, role reversal and so on.
There are vampires of all kinds out there that will prey on the vulnerable. Drugs are one of the easiest way to do it.
by Anonymous | reply 105 | March 2, 2020 5:32 PM
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R104, these white men have a slavery fantasy/fetish; they're rich, powerful and have the means to co-opt and coerce these men into behaviour that harms them and benefits these rich and powerful men.
What does that sound like to you, r104
"And it isn't some cabal of wealthy white [GAY] men in some coordinated effort to enslave and destroy black men."
No-one made that claim. It's socio-economic factors as a result of the history of the United States that has created a specific culture, in which these men have grown up in and benefitted from. It's a very specific fantasy, non?
"don't know good journalism when you see it."
You're just Fake News r104, lol.
by Anonymous | reply 106 | March 2, 2020 5:34 PM
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R106 - outside of the Buck case, there's no direct proof this is happening nor are wealthy white men contributing to the supposed rise in black meth addiction.
It's a terrible article that makes baseless conclusions and sensationalizes the Buck case and points the finger at white gay men terrorizing the black gay community.
It's shit-stirring and you know it.
by Anonymous | reply 107 | March 2, 2020 5:40 PM
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"I’m not black" darling, this should have been the sun of your contribution, alas, it is Data Lounge.
"No one forces you to do anything unless your need for a drug robs you of your agency"
R105, needs don't just come from nowhere, who are you to surmise as to what the need might of been?
"As for slave play, as I said, of course there are creeps and there’ll be some who get off on some weird colonial shit. But there are others where it will be ageplay, Daddy/son, role reversal and so on.
There are vampires of all kinds out there that will prey on the vulnerable. Drugs are one of the easiest way to do it."
This. THIS! These paragraphs are exactly what's wrong with your views. The comparison of slave play with daddy/son play and role reversal.
This now means, of course, I'm talking to a brick wall. But I do have a fondness for walls...and bricks.
Drugs aren't some natural product, they function in market and have a monetary value. Before drugs, comes money. Whoever has money can bend the norms and rules of society, as they see fit (see: Harvey Weinstein, R. Kelly, Trump, Cindy McCain Etc.)
Every country has them.
by Anonymous | reply 108 | March 2, 2020 5:44 PM
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R107, you know, I have a fondness for brick walls. Love to you. X.
by Anonymous | reply 109 | March 2, 2020 5:47 PM
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R96 needs to stop using the Q word and stop the racist homophobic Misandrist attacks on white gay men. Nobody forces you to take meth.
by Anonymous | reply 110 | March 2, 2020 6:05 PM
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Way to take an issue and drown it in overwrought garbage.
by Anonymous | reply 111 | March 2, 2020 6:14 PM
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Everyone needs to ignore the racial aspects of this. Forget white and black. This is an attack on gay men.
by Anonymous | reply 112 | March 2, 2020 6:16 PM
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R95: Nobody is complained about PoC being uppity, people are complainning about a totally baseless and clearly biased article
by Anonymous | reply 113 | March 2, 2020 6:31 PM
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"totally baseless" r113, white men using money and power to use and abuse other groups for their benefit. This doesn't ring any historical as well as contemporary bells for you r113?!
by Anonymous | reply 114 | March 2, 2020 7:12 PM
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Also, no it's not the majority of white gay men. I love white men , Obama, for instance.
by Anonymous | reply 115 | March 2, 2020 7:17 PM
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Did they change the headline to something less racist?
by Anonymous | reply 116 | March 2, 2020 7:18 PM
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R114: ¨What fuckikng white men? the article takes a case and makes it look like its happening everywhere
by Anonymous | reply 117 | March 2, 2020 7:21 PM
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I liked the article...and I can believe every word too.
by Anonymous | reply 118 | March 2, 2020 7:22 PM
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R118: I'm sure you can. World is full of iditots
by Anonymous | reply 119 | March 2, 2020 7:23 PM
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R119...what a clown you are...kill yourself and put us all out of your misery.
by Anonymous | reply 120 | March 2, 2020 7:26 PM
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I think it's clear by this forum that many white gay men have no respect for black gay men. The longest threads I see about black gay men are the threads attacking Billy Porter and EJ. I think that's sad.
by Anonymous | reply 122 | March 2, 2020 8:45 PM
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R122 EJ? Who's EJ? Elton John?
by Anonymous | reply 123 | March 2, 2020 8:47 PM
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I would go so far as to fully support the argument in R77, but I do think he properly points out a weird pattern of verbiage in the article. Why are the predators "gay" and the victims queer"?
R105, interesting comments, thanks for your insight.
by Anonymous | reply 124 | March 2, 2020 10:29 PM
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Whoever said that this is an attack on gay man is right. And all attacks on gay men are attacks on men.
by Anonymous | reply 125 | March 2, 2020 10:33 PM
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"I think it's clear by this forum that many white gay men have no respect for black gay men."
R122 First, what makes you think that the opinions here are coming from White men? Second, I think what's clear is that people in general are sick of hearing about the victimization of Black people and the blaming of others for every bad thing that ever happened to them.
by Anonymous | reply 126 | March 3, 2020 4:57 AM
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There are more Latinos in this country than African-Americans, yet the Democrats seemed more concerned with the latter.
by Anonymous | reply 127 | March 3, 2020 5:12 AM
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That's because a lot of those Latinos don't vote either because they can't or they won't.
by Anonymous | reply 128 | March 3, 2020 5:15 AM
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Because they’re scared of getting picked up by the INS or ICE?
by Anonymous | reply 129 | March 3, 2020 5:20 AM
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[quote] When I opened this thread, I already knew it would be filled with white guys effectively, in essence, complaining about PoC being 'uppity'.
Oh, but not to put words in people's mouths, or anything like that!
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 130 | March 3, 2020 6:36 AM
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I agree with r112. Race really doesn't have to do anything with this IMO. I honestly think gay men are just taken advantage of by other gay men sometimes. Specifically gay men who are more effeminate being violated.
by Anonymous | reply 131 | March 3, 2020 11:13 AM
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"Because they’re scared of getting picked up by the INS or ICE?"
R129 No, because if they're undocumented they aren't registered to vote so they can't. And many who are documented don't know how to exercise their citizenship rights, sometimes they don't speak English and cannot follow what's going on in politics, and sometimes they're so left behind they don't even think of voting as any kind of priority.
by Anonymous | reply 132 | March 3, 2020 8:32 PM
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There is a racial subtext that might be worth discussing, but there’s no getting past that homophobic headline. Buzzfeed isn’t allowing comments on the article, is it?
by Anonymous | reply 133 | March 3, 2020 9:34 PM
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Be wary of any man who says that he’s “into” your race as a sexual partner...always. They tend to be crazy and unpleasant to be around.
by Anonymous | reply 134 | March 4, 2020 3:33 PM
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Calm down R108, you are becoming hysterical. Who are you to surmise what my response should be ? If you are looking for a specific response that only suits you then don’t ask the fucking question because there is always a smidgeon of a chance you may encounter a differing opinion and it would seem that when you do the very least you need is smelling salts.
by Anonymous | reply 135 | March 4, 2020 5:57 PM
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This isn't why they hate us.
This is why I hate you.
by Anonymous | reply 136 | March 4, 2020 10:52 PM
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Buck would NEVER have done meth and slave play!
by Anonymous | reply 137 | March 4, 2020 11:16 PM
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R133 I think Buzzfeed has stopped allowing comments on what they consider news articles, possibly even columns or editorials. I seldom go to Buzzfeed, they bait every possible demographic for clicks, even their news side does it.
by Anonymous | reply 138 | March 4, 2020 11:21 PM
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[quote] OP just literally erased five million trans women of color
LITERAL VIOLENCE!!!
by Anonymous | reply 139 | March 4, 2020 11:23 PM
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This is just another version of wealthy white dudes or averaged income white men exploiting minorities if they’re also poor.
Same shit, different day.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 140 | March 5, 2020 12:16 AM
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black gay men are destroying their future with their non inclusive nature of bogus exclusivity.....
by Anonymous | reply 141 | March 5, 2020 12:18 AM
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Black or white, heterosexuality is, was, and always will be the real enemy of humanity.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 142 | March 5, 2020 1:12 AM
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Oh great now i won't be able to find anymore gay black twinks. great. And I don't even want to dose them with anything but maybe some wine.
by Anonymous | reply 146 | March 17, 2020 7:50 PM
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If black queer men think white gay men are all racist, perverted monsters then they're welcome to stop attaching themselves to the gay community. Leave our bars, our celebrations, and our protests. Leave our gyms, our clubs, our places of congregation.
Segregate yourselves from us terrible monsters, you have my support.
by Anonymous | reply 147 | March 17, 2020 9:24 PM
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Sweeping generalizations much, lowlife at r147? You sound ridiculous.
by Anonymous | reply 148 | March 17, 2020 10:30 PM
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OP Nigger, please, they can't even call themselves gay.
by Anonymous | reply 149 | March 17, 2020 10:34 PM
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I'm 110% gay and I've never been sexually attracted to a black man.
by Anonymous | reply 150 | March 17, 2020 10:38 PM
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r147 as long as there are black men and white men who get horny for each other, the gay community will not be segregated.
by Anonymous | reply 151 | March 17, 2020 10:42 PM
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Is no one troubled that Adam Schiff appears in R10's photo?
by Anonymous | reply 152 | March 17, 2020 10:47 PM
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Even so, r150, why reveal your lack of depth?
by Anonymous | reply 153 | March 17, 2020 11:18 PM
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Your point r150, other than the one one your head?
by Anonymous | reply 154 | March 18, 2020 1:56 AM
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No, R152, He is well known for his charity work.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 155 | March 19, 2020 3:04 AM
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This queer stuff is just the war on gay men wearing a different mask.
by Anonymous | reply 156 | March 19, 2020 3:07 AM
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This is not a very good advertisement for garages.
by Anonymous | reply 157 | March 19, 2020 3:10 AM
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