People who constantly point out Grammatical Mistakes are Jerks, Study Suggests

[quote] Nazi’s

It's violence against those who know their grammar.

OP needs the refresher course, "Initial Caps in Headlines."

Literal violence, R2.

Thanks. We did need a study on this. Those grammar Nazis are a bit much. Now I can refer them to the study and point out they are much more likely to be real Nazis, and follow the lab coat confederate's advice to deliver the deadly electric wattage that will kill a person, with no questions asked.

All because they like rules. They like rules more than people! That's why they ignore the heart of a matter to focus on a tangential violation of the rule! The forest is missed through the trees! The box cannot be thought out of! Regional dialects cannot be taken into account!

No, it's follow the orders. Follow, follow, follow. Push the violater into the oven.

Famous Quote by someone dead: I don't give a damn for a man who can only spell a word one way!

Usually they're fatties, too.

It's aggressive education... no one wants knowledge shoved down their throat no matter how accurate it is.

I've actually called out people who do this...the issue I have is that I don't want people to be afraid to post as their grammar/spelling may not be great.

We want an inclusive environment and everyone should feel free to post and not be intimidated that someone is going to critique what they wrote.

Agreed. Also, the internet's global. There are plenty of people using it, and not everyone speaks your language as fluently as you do. When you correct some Columbian whose second language's English, you're the one who looks dumb, not them.

[quote] no one wants knowledge shoved down their throat no matter how accurate it is.

Why don’t they? It would benefit them if they had additional knowledge. Isn’t this akin to voting Republican even if it’s contrary to their own interests?

What really gets on my nerves, is when they completely dismiss an argument because of a grammatical mistake but don't engage the actual argument.

OP, do you include punctuationists and their assistants in the category of grammar Nazis?

So my English teacher was a jerk?

R11 they derail threads constantly. It truly upsets me.

R9, are you Columbian?

Social Grammar Warriors

If he were R15, he’d know it’s spelled "Colombian".

R13, it's completely different and you should know that.

I'm dyslexic. Maybe I'm over sensitive to it, but I really can't stand the "Oh Dear" bitch.

[quote]People who constantly point out grammatical mistakes are doing a great public service.

Fixed.

And who does it "constantly"? I only bother with one out of ten that could use a little polish.

People who can’t spell, punctuate, or compose sentences correctly usually have attitude problems that they project on those who are simply trying to stop them from looking like uneducated fools.

R19, I agree. I think she has now changed to Oh my...but they are both the same. An all better attitude and joy in pointing out someone's error.

I am an unabashed grammar Nazi, but I would never waste my grammar skills in a place like this.

It is much better to save them for my review of writing samples submitted by employment applicants.

So long as Muriel does not provide an Edit function, one must give others the benefit of the doubt. Were that possible, I know in my heart that most of you losers would identify and correct those little errors. Right?

Heil Strunk and White! Send 6 million dangling participles to the gas chamber!

you dont half 2 spell good too say you're message cause yous guys who picks on misteaks our dum gerks

That sentence gives me a headache, but I've seen worse on here

I've always thought it was quiet rude to point out someones grammar errors. I mean, give me a brake, just don't due it.

Now R9 thinks you look dumb, R17.

[quote]When you correct some Columbian whose second language's English,

Frankly, I have to wonder how someone got into an Ivy League school if his grasp of English is so poor, second language or not.

You know what it's about? Me smart and you stupid!

Some people are so insecure they use any excuse to feel better about themselves.

Whatever.

Sorry a lot of dumb assholes want to slide even more quickly into idiocracy.

Harvard wouldn't accept him, R28?

It's annoying and not at all clever.

Of course they’re jerks. That’s what we come her for.

We may be jerks but you're still stupid.

Poor grammar and spelling do compromise the validity of talking points sometimes. However, I've had some of my posts destroyed by autocorrect several times. I also sometimes post after a few cocktails where a coherent thought gets lost. I cut queens a break here and there but when they can't master basic shit like there/their/they're I get annoyed.

Imagine that. Being a know-it-all is annoying!

@ r35, Cocktails and keyboards don't mix :(

I rarely point out grammar mistakes to people, unless they are really intelligent and can actually benefit from the suggestion. Most people are dummies/dolts. Who gives a fuck how they speak. One common joint possessives mistake is: Her and I's - when it should be: Hers and my.

Boozing and posting...that's a whole other thread I guess.

R38 okay, but it's all in how you say it. The "oh dear" is meant to be bitchy and above the person. I think if there is a sincere attempt to help someone, that's great. However, all in the approach.

I wish I had a grammar Nazi boy friend, or even good friend.

I enjoy leaning from people who know more than me.

I disagree, r40, at least with regards to the “oh dear” intent: I think it’s supposed to be humorous, as some school teacher from the 1940s just tsk-tsking.

R7 = Donald Trump.

And is everything that's wrong with the world.

It isn't to "who" I give my heart; its to "WHOM" I give my heart, which I can prove to you with this very simple chart.

That's a fine way to lo-o-oose a man!

It's just a DL tradition. I'd never do it in real life.

The "Oh dear" thing is charming.

And I've thanked people here for pointing out grammar mistakes I've made.

I think most of the grammar mistakes are simply due to the lack of an 'edit' function on this site. Also that fucking autocorrect takes over sometimes. I hate if one of the grammar Nazis derails a good discussion with some petty correction. Screw them.

R38 and R41, I didn't take it that way. I thought it was bitchy, all knowing and could be perceived as intimidating for others who post. Everyone has their own perception...

Obtuse people can be obstinate, obese and odious, alas.

Oh dear.

[quote]I thought it was bitchy, all knowing and could be perceived as intimidating for others who post.

Then they shouldn't be posting here.

When you log on to Datlounge it says:

"DataLounge - Gay Celebrity Gossip, Gay Politics, Gay News and Pointless Bitchery"

As I've mentioned before on other threads, many grammatical errors are the result of imperfect dictation programs. Dictation programs are ten times better than they were a few years ago, so much so they actually work. I'm not going to sit and type letter by letter on a phone when i can just click the mic and speak. But on iPhone, there is a weird bug where the dictation software will write the correct thing and then alter it seconds later. So you watch as it gets it correct and then before you send, it re-thinks what you said and makes changes as you're going to press the post button. Results in lots of errors.

R51 Then that means the ancient gay white queens on this site should be able to take what's thrown at them as well.

Grammar nazi’s what, OP?

[quote] When you log on to Datlounge it says:

Dis be Datlounge, homies!

Observational studies have little merit. Come back after a randomized study is completed, then we'll talk.

Nazi's what?

I can't stand the "Oh, Dear" asshole either. You just know their not coming from a good place. It's almost as though their trying to tell you, your just not good enough.

And it's constantly.

Fuck who that is.

Stop typing with your dick.

Fuck who ever that is.

Having a foreign speaking house cleaner is a good thing for those with compulsive speech pedantry (I should know). Finally, someone who actually appreciates your excellent English, and maybe not just because they have to put up with you. Here's someone who says he when they mean she (or vice versa) or always uses the present tense. They actually need you. Whereas, people who are native speakers and use English poorly (like Bloomberg, who is given to saying "anyways." one of my pet peeves), they're hopeless. (It does annoy the hell out of me that Bloomberg says "anyways." And to think I considered voting for him until that terrible debate performance...)

R51, something mean spirited is different.

As a teacher, editor, and writer, I am paid to be a stickler for grammar.

I have never corrected anyone’s grammar, usage, syntax, punctuation, etc., on DL or any Internet forum. It derails a conversation. Also, most of the time, the error is a typo. We all have our grammar pet peeves but I keep mine to myself unless someone asks, and then I could talk about grammar all day long. (Yes, I am boring. I’ll save you the trouble and say I’m also a fat whore. But I’m not a grammar nazi unless I’m being paid.)

R63, thanks you!!

[quote] And it's constantly.

Perhaps if you didn’t make so many mistakes.

Why is someone a jerk for trying to correct a mistake?

I enjoy them; they are the supreme cuntesses of the world.

[quote]"As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1"

Apparently, this thread had already grown too long with OP himself...

O love the "Oh dear" toll.

I like going back and finding the grammar mistake. Mostly it's obvious, but sometimes I'm stumped.

*I love the "Oh dear" toll.

The "oh dear" troll is not just one person. Bet on it.

[quote]The "oh dear" troll is not just one person. Bet on it.

I guarantee it's not.

"Oh dear" is a standard retort on DL, not a unique identifier or individual catchphrase.

[quote]*I love the "Oh dear" toll.

Well, bless your little, retarded, heart.

One thing I like about DL is the lack of rudeness and snark. I come here for the civility and generosity of spirit.

R73 needs her safe space.

I try not to do it in my real life, but I work at a library and it has fallen on me to proofread everything that goes out. Young people can't or won't put the work in. I can't imagine their professors just gliding over a lot of the mistakes I see. I'm OK with doing it, but it irks me that I'm the "obsessive one" or the "grammar nerd." It's the sloppiness mingled with disrespect that is maddening.

Only one I have enjoy was a spelling Nazi who pointed out the spelling error with "Oh Deer"

Oh Deer.

^^ Bambi, is that you deer? ;-)

"We correct because we care."

Most have lost the point. How arrogant to think only those in the USA post here. I posted upthread I'm dyslectic, but that doesn't diminish my intelligence. There are still people here that use the word "retarded" to describe a person. Gay men are probably the most hypocritical and arrogant SOB's you would ever encounter.

[quote][R73] needs her safe space.

Last night R75, it was your mother's ass.

BTW, she wanted to know if you got the scarf and newspaper clippings about your uncle's trial for child porn.

They are jerks because they are exhausted.

[quote][R51], something mean spirited is different.

Funnier, R62.

And blacks hate the white half of Meghan. Both ethnicities see her as a master manipulator.

Grammar trolls need more satisfying sex in their lives.

They need to be kissed and kissed good by some one who knows how to kiss. Lots of kisses. They want Rhett Butler to lick the door in and give them the old plow know how. Only he won't because he likes fun people

[quote] Usually they're fatties, too.

Now, why is that? Fatty nazis out there: did being grammar nazis lead you to overeat?

I really couldn't care less about the study if it hasn't been published in The Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews, The New England Journal of Medicine or The Lancet.

Syntax errors are errors. Just admit it that you are either stupid or sloppy or both.

[quote]R58: I can't stand the "Oh, Dear" asshole either. You just know their not coming from a good place. It's almost as though their trying to tell you, your just not good enough.

The jokes write themselves.

The journal this paper was published in is absolute shit.

The title of this thread should be DL Celebrates Stupid!

This isn't exactly news; Dale Carnegie's famous course/book "How To Win Friends and Influence People" has been telling people for decades going around correcting others is not just annoying, but pisses people off no end.

You're a loser, R86, and you only have bad sex, too.

Grammar Nazis pay attention to the details and have the discipline to get things right. That pays off massively for them and their lucky partners when they are having sex.

But there you are, surrounded by your inattentive "fun people." And sadly, all of you have to get by with bad generalized unskilled sloppy sex.

[quote] It's the sloppiness mingled with disrespect that is maddening.

This. The whole “I’m not writing a thesis here! What’s the difference?” attitude pervasive today is what gets me. If you expect to be taken seriously and for your opinions to matter you should write seriously.

Some people see grammatical errors and completely disregard the rest of that person’s post or argument, dismissing the person as ‘unable to write a coherent argument so why should I take it seriously and counter?’

To be fair, some autocorrect errors are quite obvious. If someone posts about a song and says the artist had “lots of hots back in the day,” that’s a fairly obvious autocorrect.

However, when someone writes “we went to there house last night,” and then blames autocorrect, I mean, c’mon.

Almost 100 posts and the stupid people who do not know how to compose a sentence properly have given no valid argument other than name calling and a "stop picking on the stupid!" whine of pity.

R95: Anyone that blames autocorrect is lazy.

Kenneth in the 212 is all over this thread.

R69 is the definition of a super CUNT.

R99 = IQ of 75.

There is a definite sense that the folks who argue that grammar doesn't matter are the same folks who snidely speak of "the elites" and other coded language for people who are smart and well-educated.

Even before cheeto and the last election cycle there seemed to be a concerted effort to downplay the importance of learning, a lot of it to dismiss science and the evidence for things like climate change, vaccines, and other policy positions based on rigorous analysis and complex ideas.

Clear and effective communication matters.

^^^undermining myself one "s" at a time...

What about people (ppl) who only occasionally point out grammatical mistakes? Or the people who MAKE grammatical mistakes? BTW, aren't most people jerks anyway(s)?

I always took oh dear in jest. I don’t get the people who get all up in arms and start cursing at the person who pointed it out.

If the person was trying to call you dumb or insult you it wouldn’t read oh dear, but “Hey dickhead! Learn how to spell because you’re stupid,” or something similar.

R101 It does matter but not to the extreme of shoving someone into a gas shower if they make mistakes and don't type or speak the way you want them to.

That's what puts the Nazi in grammar Nazis. You don't show that you care about the person you're correcting so what is the point in listening to you? Just for your appeasement? After the rudeness you gave with an unasked for correction? I think it makes people double down because it's just not a nice way if changing someone.

[quote]You don't show that you care about the person you're correcting

Yes, after all this is Datalounge and that's why we come here: it's a safe, caring, nurturing space.

I remember reading an article about spelling errors or typos. The more intelligent you were the more you didn't see the mistake and saw the actual correct spelling For example, thme, you saw them. Or you could decipher the word regardless of the spelling error.

But 'Oh dear' when said by DLers does mean “Hey dickhead! Learn how to spell because you’re stupid!”

[quote] [R101] It does matter but not to the extreme of shoving someone into a gas shower if they make mistakes

You couldn't be more wrong.

You may be right, r108, I genuinely don’t know. But I never took it that way.

As I said upthread, I always took it as an old schoolmarm type woman who was clutching her pearls and saying it under her breath. I pictured like a teacher sighing to herself.

The DL is not now, nor ever will be, a safe, supportive space for you to share things that trigger you. Why? Because unlike your helicopter parents who gave you full autonomy to reject their decisions at all times, and unlike your school which gave you awards just for showing up at a sporting event because of your oh so special snowflakiness, we at DL are in no way required to put up with your lifelong habit of whiny entitlement.

Consider it a service that we at Datalounge clue you into a simple truth that your parents chose not to tell you and which your teachers were legally bound not to tell you: [bold]you are not special.[/bold] That’s it. Neither am I. Neither is anyone else. There are rules that apply to all of us in life. Nobody in life—judges, coworkers, police officers—give a shit about your widdle feelings, or your excuses, or your bitching. Stomping your feet in court and throwing the citation on the floor will not make this reality go away. Period. Likewise, insisting that people who speak a particular language are in no way bound to indulge your petty grievances. You are either expressing yourself correctly in a language or you are not. That’s it.

Long ago in a galaxy far, far away, people knew this. In those times, when it was pointed out that you were wrong, you were first supposed to feel embarrassed, and then next drop it completely (hopefully with a personal resolve to never repeat that mistake again). There was no outcome-based education, nor participation trophies, nor supportive spaces where you can air your feelings and then feel comfortable with your world once more without any need to: (a) acknowledge you’re fault, and (b) accept culpability. In those halcyon days, facts and opinions were not synonymous concepts. Facts were binary things, either a fact was proven to be true or it was false. That’s it. Another way of thinking about this is that facts are digital (either true or false), while opinions are analog, being black or white or endless shades in between. By definition, you are under no obligation to defend your opinion, while facts are scrupulously defended as true and/or are proven as false. Perhaps your teachers never introduced you to this thing called the Scientific Method. Look it up. While doing that, also look up “critical thinking.”

I will preemptively “oh, dear” myself for the numerous grammatical errors I created in this reply. For example, my second sentence was a huge run-on sentence, and I think I’ve used parentheses and em-dashes incorrectly (or inconsistently). My excuse is that my emotions got the best of me as I wanted to reach through the Internet and shake you like an au pair’s baby. Regardless, when the mistakes are pointed out, I will own them and not try to convince you that I’m special and my widdle feelings got hurt.

Tl;dr: Shut the fuck up, grow the fuck up, or just go the fuck away.

^^good lord, I mixed up “your” and “you’re” among other things. Bring on the pain: I deserve it. Nonetheless, OP, you still are not anyone special, and really should keep your damned mouth shut when people point out your errors.

^^good lord, I mixed up “your” and “you’re” among other things. Bring on the pain: I deserve it. Nonetheless, OP, you still are not anyone special, and really should keep your damned mouth shut when people point out your errors.

[quote] I wanted to reach through the Internet and shake you like an au pair’s baby.

Oh I’ve GOTTA use this one!

That’s fucking hilarious!