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Catherine Burns: The Vanishing of an Oscar-Nominated Actress

We've had a couple of threads about Catherine Burns, the young actress in the cult 60s drama LAST SUMMER, but after being nominated for an Oscar for her performance, Burns all but disappeared and no one ever knew what happened to her. Larry Karaszewski and The Hollywood Reporter finally found out:

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by Anonymousreply 324July 28, 2020 9:36 AM

Well, that was depressing.

by Anonymousreply 1February 3, 2020 4:12 PM

She was mentioned in an Oscar thread recently as the girl who rolled her eyes when her name was read at the ceremony. I thought she was cute but remember people here saying she was too ugly to be an actress. A very sad story.

by Anonymousreply 2February 3, 2020 4:13 PM

Remarkable how much it was accepted/normal for critics to be fetid, nasty assholes.

by Anonymousreply 3February 3, 2020 4:17 PM

Yeah, Vincent Canby's comment was as nasty, he sounded like John Simon.

by Anonymousreply 4February 3, 2020 4:22 PM

I thought she was a very talented actress. Critics have always been rotten and bitter cunts but it's not the saddest story ever. She apparently married, retired to rural Washington State and did some traveling . She had a full life. Might have ended worse off if she forced herself to remain in a business that was making her terribly unhappy. The actors who wind up complete basket cases are usually the ones who stay far too long when things aren't working out.

by Anonymousreply 5February 3, 2020 4:25 PM

She was too sensitive for highly competitive show business. Not everyone can take the intrusive scrutiny and dog eat dog vying for parts. She withdrew on her own terms. It's too bad she didn't write her memoirs, perhaps that is where people would accept her physical being while appreciating her intellect.

by Anonymousreply 6February 3, 2020 4:35 PM

There are plenty of homely actors. I get the disconnect was that in the wake of her Oscar nomination, the plan was to make her a leading lady (She was re-paired with Richard Thomas etc.).

by Anonymousreply 7February 3, 2020 4:37 PM

It's a nasty business - full of shallow values and meanness.

by Anonymousreply 8February 3, 2020 4:39 PM

It was a time of homely actors and actresses....look at Kim Darby, Michael J Pollard... so I really don't understand the harsh criticism.

by Anonymousreply 9February 3, 2020 4:53 PM

The 1st Cathy Craig on One Life to Live. Erika Slezak had her fired.

by Anonymousreply 10February 3, 2020 4:54 PM

I was about to post this article but it looks like you beat me to it!

Really interesting story

by Anonymousreply 11February 3, 2020 5:09 PM

Let's talk about Pamela Franklin. She had a prolific career, but then completely walked away from showbiz in her mid 20s.

by Anonymousreply 12February 3, 2020 5:18 PM

"Last Summer" was originally rated X for the rape scene when it opened exclusively in NY & LA. It was edited and re-rated R by the time it expanded across the country.

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by Anonymousreply 13February 3, 2020 5:20 PM

Great article -- but how depressing. I hope her life with her husband brought her happiness.

by Anonymousreply 14February 3, 2020 5:22 PM

At the Oscars

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by Anonymousreply 15February 3, 2020 5:23 PM

Dyan Cannon was nominated for an Oscar?!

by Anonymousreply 16February 3, 2020 5:24 PM

[quote]Let's talk about Pamela Franklin. She had a prolific career, but then completely walked away from showbiz in her mid 20s.

Bitch, please.

by Anonymousreply 17February 3, 2020 5:26 PM

Has the unedited X-rated original version been released anywhere? The version on TCM several years ago was apparently the R-rated version. Though it would probably be PG today.

by Anonymousreply 18February 3, 2020 5:32 PM

[quote]Dyan Cannon was nominated for an Oscar?!

Dyan Cannon was nominated for 3 Oscars

Best Actress in a Supporting Role "Bob & Carol & Ted & Alice" (1969)

Best Actress in a Supporting Role "Heaven Can Wait" (1979)

Best Short Film, Live Action "Number One" (1976) Shared with Vince Cannon

by Anonymousreply 19February 3, 2020 5:32 PM

For what was Morgan Fairchild's nomination?

by Anonymousreply 20February 3, 2020 5:34 PM

Thank you for posting. I didn't know she was dead. Re Pamela Franklin: she played Sandy in the film of "The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie" (1969), and Burns had played Monica in the play on Broadway for a year in 1968.

by Anonymousreply 21February 3, 2020 5:50 PM

R15, wow...Goldie Hawn’s win over those other actresses that night rivals Marisa Tomei’s in its WTF-y-ness...

by Anonymousreply 22February 3, 2020 5:51 PM

^ I agree (and I say this as someone who likes Goldie)

by Anonymousreply 23February 3, 2020 5:52 PM

Oh no- Marisa actually deserved her Oscar, whereas Goldie....

by Anonymousreply 24February 3, 2020 6:02 PM

Wow, that was a fascinating read. I've often wondered what happened to the bespectacled eye-rolling girl so thanks for sharing.

I hope someone with too much time on his hands also manages to track down Su Tissue, singer of the 70s punk band Suburban Lawns. Even her former bandmates have no idea where she's been for the last three decades. It's like she's vanished into thin air.

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by Anonymousreply 25February 3, 2020 6:19 PM

R18, I saw it when I was 18, when it was first released, and have never fogotten it. I do not recall it being rated X as "Midnight Cowboy" originally was. The rape scene was disturbing and graphic, but not enough to earn it an X rating.

by Anonymousreply 26February 3, 2020 7:01 PM

Burns did 3 Off Broadway plays, 2 Broadway ones, and regional theater.

One of them was TWO SMALL BODIES in 1977...which was finally made into a film decades later with Fred Ward and Suzy Amis. It’s a 2 character play with a police officer interrogating a mom whose kids are missing.

I wonder if she got good reviews for that. It’s a demanding role.

by Anonymousreply 27February 3, 2020 7:10 PM
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by Anonymousreply 28February 3, 2020 7:14 PM

R27, Suzy Amis, once married to Sam Robards, now Mrs. James Cameron.

by Anonymousreply 29February 3, 2020 7:15 PM

AKA role-stealing bitch!

by Anonymousreply 30February 3, 2020 7:16 PM

Will she be in the Academy's Death Reel™?

by Anonymousreply 31February 3, 2020 7:19 PM

[quote] I saw it when I was 18, when it was first released, and have never fogotten it. I do not recall it being rated X as "Midnight Cowboy" originally was. The rape scene was disturbing and graphic, but not enough to earn it an X rating.

The opening day ad in NY is up at R13 and it was X. This was before porn took it over so it was "disturbing and graphic" enough to keep children out.

by Anonymousreply 32February 3, 2020 7:39 PM

Wasn't Suzy Amis the other woman before she became the current wife?

by Anonymousreply 33February 3, 2020 7:58 PM

Wow, thanks for posting. Now I want to see the movie. I can't find it streaming anywhere.

by Anonymousreply 34February 3, 2020 8:04 PM

Wow, thanks for posting. Now I want to see the movie. I can't find it streaming anywhere.

by Anonymousreply 35February 3, 2020 8:04 PM

[R10]: Anyone know why Erika Slezak had Cathy Burns fired??

by Anonymousreply 36February 3, 2020 8:13 PM

R25 - I recognize this photo as a still from "Something Wild," starring Melanie Griffith, Jeff Daniels and Ray Liotta.

by Anonymousreply 37February 3, 2020 8:20 PM

The OST is on YouTube.

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by Anonymousreply 38February 3, 2020 8:38 PM

R37 Well that's Miss Tisue, the missing singer, in the pic. Jonathan Demme directed a few of her band's music videos so she returned the favor by doing a cameo in that film. That was actually her only film appearance. I checked her IMDb page just now and found this data in the trivia of her bio. But anyone can edit that section, so who knows if this is true or not:

[quote] She tried teaching for a short time, then became a legal secretary. For the last twenty years, she has been an attorney in Newport Beach, CA. Her name is no longer Susan Mclane; with both a different first and last name. She now lives a private life on the east coast. The specifics of her name, are being reserved by courteous fans, at this time.

by Anonymousreply 39February 3, 2020 8:42 PM

Weird shit

by Anonymousreply 40February 3, 2020 8:54 PM

Dyan Cannon's nominations are less odd than Goldie's win.

by Anonymousreply 41February 3, 2020 9:01 PM

Slezak saw Cathy's raw talent and typically, was jealous.

by Anonymousreply 42February 3, 2020 9:09 PM

Enjoy.

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by Anonymousreply 43February 3, 2020 9:17 PM

Excellent read, thank you for sharing. Catherine Burns is a DL favorite and her performance in “Last Summer” is indeed unforgettable.

Interesting to read that Richard Thomas never responded to inquiries about the film, especially since Barbara Hershey and Bruce Davison both attended screenings in the last few years. I met Richard Thomas last March at an autograph show (don’t judge, DL!) It was a treat to discuss “Last Summer” and the other film he made with Burns, “Red Sky at Morning”. He told me then that he’d heard she recently passed away, but I never saw any verification of that until the “HR” article.

by Anonymousreply 44February 3, 2020 9:21 PM

Some people just aren't cut out for fame and fortune. Although quite talented, it's obvious Catherine Burns was an example of that. She would have had a better chance at good acting roles in today's acting climate; unprepossessing young actresses have a much better chance at a good career today. But back then her looks were a hindrance.

It's too bad that it took such diligence to find out what happened to her. She really deserved to be in the TCM Remembers segment of 2019. And of course she deserves to be in whatever kind of Oscar memorial they show this year.

by Anonymousreply 45February 3, 2020 9:33 PM

I remember her fondly from One Life to Live

by Anonymousreply 46February 3, 2020 9:37 PM

I wonder if Larry was the stalker to whom Catherine’s husband was referring.

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by Anonymousreply 47February 3, 2020 9:41 PM

I remember her from "Night of Terror", an ABC movie of the week with Donna Mills (in a wheelchair), that scared me shitless at an impressionable age.

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by Anonymousreply 48February 3, 2020 9:44 PM

R15 I forgot all about Burns when Raquel came on. My God, she was spectacular!

by Anonymousreply 49February 3, 2020 9:47 PM

Wow. She was a fav of mine when I was about 11. Truly great on screen. Florence Pugh and her short stocky body reminded me of Catherine Burns. I hope the business is more forgiving of actresses with less than idealized shapes.

by Anonymousreply 50February 3, 2020 9:48 PM

[quote] For what was Morgan Fairchild's nomination?

Morgan's nomination was for playing the German philosopher Hannah Arendt in THE ORIGINS OF TOTALITARIANISM in the early 1980s. Here is a still from that film.

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by Anonymousreply 51February 3, 2020 9:51 PM

Florence Pugh is hardly Mama Cass

by Anonymousreply 52February 3, 2020 9:55 PM

She's rolling her eyes at St. Peter now.

by Anonymousreply 53February 3, 2020 10:03 PM

[quote]She would have had a better chance at good acting roles in today's acting climate; unprepossessing young actresses have a much better chance at a good career today. But back then her looks were a hindrance.

Was it the career that bothered her? It seems the fame that came with her career was more of a problem.

I don't think she would enjoy having to make it in todays business. Celebrity wasn't as all consuming in the media as it is now. Plus the Oscars were a much more low key event back then. But she had no use for either. I think she would hate having to endure all the bullshit today, and it would have driven her out much sooner.

by Anonymousreply 54February 3, 2020 10:20 PM

The trail on her went cold after 1989, right? So she was in the business for almost twenty years.

by Anonymousreply 55February 3, 2020 10:26 PM

‘Cuz ERICA SLEZAK’S [italic]a CUNT!

by Anonymousreply 56February 3, 2020 10:46 PM

There is a good amount of ladies who were no great beauties but fabulous actresses that won Oscars and had great careers. The fact she said "The worst thing about being a fat pig is the feeling of being grotesque," shows her terrible insecurities. She wasn't cut out for the limelight, no self confidence.

by Anonymousreply 57February 3, 2020 10:58 PM

E.g. Maggie Smith. Maybe if, like Smith, Burns had a slower rise to national and international fame, she'd have been better off in the long run.

by Anonymousreply 58February 3, 2020 11:02 PM

R29 Sam Robards is now Mrs. James Cameron?

by Anonymousreply 59February 3, 2020 11:32 PM

I remember “Night of Terror”, R 48! I also remember seeing Burns on “Cannon” and on “Love American Style”, where she showed she had appealing comedic chops, too! (Yes, I’m old!)

by Anonymousreply 60February 3, 2020 11:40 PM

I don't understand all these digs at her looks. She was cute in an offbeat way, but cute.

I saw her on stage, at Lincoln Center, in Operation Sidewinder, which I think was by Sam Shepard. She had a very small role as a drive-in waitress serving two black guys and getting off on how hip they were. I found the scene incomprehensible, but I do remember the audience going "Ohhhh" when she entered: they had all recognized her.

I presume she took this small part because she had a lead in something else they were doing then, and LC always tried to pretend it was a repertory company.

by Anonymousreply 61February 4, 2020 12:14 AM

[quote]Florence Pugh is hardly Mama Cass

She wishes!

by Anonymousreply 62February 4, 2020 12:21 AM

That is so weird that they would be so critical of her looks, she had a nice face.

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by Anonymousreply 63February 4, 2020 12:36 AM

Let's not lie, she didn't photograph very well. But she was fine for a character actress.

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by Anonymousreply 64February 4, 2020 12:38 AM

That looks like a college photo of Elizabeth Warren.

by Anonymousreply 65February 4, 2020 1:11 AM

Catherine Burns thinks she might need to be a lesbian...

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by Anonymousreply 66February 4, 2020 1:17 AM

This is an interesting thread.

The eye roll is understandable in the context of the times. It was the 1960s. Young people were resisting authority and dismissing the trappings of commercial culture. Having studied acting from a young age she probably saw herself as outside the mainstream.

I was born in 1950 and in college in the late 60s. Many of us were hippies and scornful of our parent's wealth and stability. We longed for wild abandon and freedom from the shackles of traditional society. There are more than a few people from that era who shunned traditional avenues of success to discover their own paths. They didn't all plan for their futures and some live on the edge today.

by Anonymousreply 67February 4, 2020 1:19 AM

Slezak didn't join OLTL until after Burns was gone.

by Anonymousreply 68February 4, 2020 1:25 AM

I remember her from OLTL but she guest-starred in a lot of series according to IMDb, shows I was watching at the time but I don't remember ever recognizing her again. Never saw the movie but it was pretty famous at the time.

by Anonymousreply 69February 4, 2020 1:34 AM

Elizabeth Hartman was another one too sensitive for the business.

by Anonymousreply 70February 4, 2020 1:43 AM

^Look how that ended. Splatsville.

by Anonymousreply 71February 4, 2020 1:46 AM

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by Anonymousreply 72February 4, 2020 1:49 AM

"I don't understand all these digs at her looks."

Let's be honest. She wasn't good looking. She had a gnome-like face and an ungainly body. What she did have was talent. But she evidently had self esteem issues which weren't helped by the comments of tv and film critics. She just didn't have the stomach for pressure and stress that comes from an acting career. Why did she go into acting in the first place I wonder? It seems like it was definitely not the right thing for for to do.

by Anonymousreply 73February 4, 2020 1:50 AM

Very good of you OP for not starting the thread ..... is dead to me The last time I read something about her she was teaching acting. I hope she rests in peace.

I doubt very seriously if she will be included in the Oscar reel. After they excluded Dorothy Malone anything is possible. Surely TCM will do a little something. If Robert was still alive I know they would.

by Anonymousreply 74February 4, 2020 2:04 AM

I read OP’s link and see nothing sad about it. She had a 20 year career and decided to leave The business. She was a published author and found someone to love her. I see nothing wrong with her looks but can you imagine if Last Summer came out now. Some of you meanies would be merciless. BTW Frank Perry directed Last Summer AND Mommie Dearest.

by Anonymousreply 75February 4, 2020 2:12 AM

r63 Your photo reminds me of actress Dorothy McGuire. Liked her in the 1945 film "The Enchanted Cottage." I'll bet CB could've handled that role well.

I wonder if "Johnny Belinda" would've been a good part for Miss Burns?

It's sad to contemplate that she was so unhappy doing something she excelled at.

by Anonymousreply 76February 4, 2020 2:19 AM

Or she was simply embarrassed, R67.

by Anonymousreply 77February 4, 2020 2:25 AM

She'd still be with us if she'd only been wearing the William Holden Drinking Helmet.

by Anonymousreply 78February 4, 2020 2:31 AM

For someone so unhappy about having an acting career, she worked an awful lot.

Sounds like she was quite the phony.

by Anonymousreply 79February 4, 2020 2:39 AM

You reminded me of this, r76.....

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by Anonymousreply 80February 4, 2020 2:47 AM

She didn't disappear. She acted so many years after the nomination, became a writer, got old and died. This is a non-story.

by Anonymousreply 81February 4, 2020 2:48 AM

She looks like a prettier Michelle Williams.

by Anonymousreply 82February 4, 2020 2:49 AM

She had cirrhosis listed as a contributing factor of her death. Sounds like she might have been a drinker. Although that's not the only cause of it.

I think these stories of people who had a degree of fame for a time and then totally drop out of the public eye are very interesting.

by Anonymousreply 83February 4, 2020 2:50 AM

"I think these stories of people who had a degree of fame for a time and then totally drop out of the public eye are very interesting."

Yeah, it is interesting. There was Dolores Hart, a young, gorgeous starlet on her way up, engaged to a nice, rich man...and she chucks it all to become a nun, which she is to this day. And Louise Brooks, the silent film star; for a time it looked like she would become a big star, but due to her drinking and irresponsibility her career tanked and she lived a hand to mouth existence for a long time, working as a shopgirl and a call girl along the way. She disappeared for years, took up writing and was rediscovered and eventually became revered as a cult figure.

by Anonymousreply 84February 4, 2020 2:57 AM

You know, in R63 her basic bone structure somewhat resembles that of Jo Van Fleet... another character actress (and booze hound)

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by Anonymousreply 85February 4, 2020 2:57 AM

Thank you R75 I can't believe it took 75 replies before that was mentioned. :)

by Anonymousreply 86February 4, 2020 2:58 AM

I wonder if Lohan will ever go away long enough for us to miss her...

by Anonymousreply 87February 4, 2020 3:10 AM

R84 Add Lola Falana to the list.

by Anonymousreply 88February 4, 2020 3:26 AM

Add Anita Page to the list, too. She was known as a fabulous beauty, "the girl with the most beautiful face in Hollywood," and left the business at age 26.

From Wiki, "When her contract expired in 1933, she surprised Hollywood by announcing her retirement at the age of 23. She made one more movie, Hitch Hike to Heaven, in 1936, and then left the screen, virtually disappearing from Hollywood circles for sixty years. In a 2004 interview with author Scott Feinberg, she claimed that her refusal to meet demands for sexual favors by MGM head of production Irving Thalberg, supported by studio chief Louis B. Mayer, is what truly ended her career. She said that Mayer colluded with the other studio bosses to ban her and other uncooperative actresses from finding work."

She married for a second time, had two children. More from Wiki: , "Page returned to the screen in 1996 after sixty years retirement and appeared in several low budget horror films. Film veteran Margaret O'Brien appeared in two of them. During this period, she moved in with her co-star and occasional director, Randal Malone at his Van Nuys home.

Page relished her status as "last star of the silents" and frequently gave interviews and appeared in documentaries about the era. Ill health prevented her from making public appearances in her final years."

I saw an interview with her on TCM last week and wondered, "who is that delusional old bag?" She kept talking about how she was lauded as a great beauty but, probably in her 90s at the time, didn't look all that great, kind of like Bette Davis as Baby Jane. I looked her up and she was right, she was quite beautiful in her day.

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by Anonymousreply 89February 4, 2020 4:33 AM

Old age sucks. Anita Page lived to be 98. 70 plus years after her glory days.

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by Anonymousreply 90February 4, 2020 4:37 AM

A twitter posting from a woman (a writer, apparently) who knew Catherine and her husband (who seemed odd, to say the least in the HR article, and whose last name isn't actually "Shire" as reported online).

"I knew Catherine well in the 80s and early 90s in NYC. She was not miserable - she was sober and had wrestled many of her demons down. She was happy to be out of Hollywood, and genuinely in love with the process of writing. She laughed a lot. I remember when she met her husband (who I won't name as it seems he's gone to lengths to keep his name out of print). She felt she'd found a soulmate. They were inseparable and, again, happy together. Sounds like it was more dire in the last years. But she didn't find most of her life post-Hollywood "tragic." ...If that makes you feel better about anything. I lost track of her in the early 00s, thank you for this. It's good to have an answer."

by Anonymousreply 91February 4, 2020 4:43 AM

she worked a lot // enough to know she wanted something else

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by Anonymousreply 92February 4, 2020 4:46 AM

The witch that came (the withered hag)

To wash the steps with pail and rag

Was once the beauty Abishag,

The picture pride of Hollywood.

Too many fall from great and good

For you to doubt the likelihood.

Die early and avoid the fate.

Or if predestined to die late,

Make up your mind to die in state.

Make the whole stock exchange your own!

If need be occupy a throne,

Where nobody can call you crone.

Some have relied on what they knew,

Others on being simply true.

What worked for them might work for you.

No memory of having starred

Atones for later disregard

Or keeps the end from being hard.

Better to go down dignified

With boughten friendship at your side

Than none at all. Provide, provide!

by Anonymousreply 93February 4, 2020 5:00 AM

Seems like Cher was talking about doing the Enchanted Cottage remake for 20 years.

by Anonymousreply 94February 4, 2020 5:05 AM

But then she made Burlesque enchanting instead.

by Anonymousreply 95February 4, 2020 5:07 AM

I wouldn't mind seeing Last Summer. I'm sure the link above wants credit card info. I have seen the movie long ago and only remember a bit of a scene of Cathy talking and how she acted after the rape. I read that the book it is based on like the movie doesnt really care about the character after the assault. In the sequel to the book she is only mentioned as traveling abroad.

by Anonymousreply 96February 4, 2020 5:21 AM

She looked like a baby Ann Romano.

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by Anonymousreply 97February 4, 2020 8:10 AM

Where's the dire part? She died while living in a retirement community.

by Anonymousreply 98February 4, 2020 9:55 AM

R44, if he'd kept in touch with her, he would have known she wanted privacy and may have felt this article was too intrusive. I don't personally think it is, but others might disagree.

by Anonymousreply 99February 4, 2020 9:59 AM

Private movie trackers have Last Summer, it was on TCM in 2012 or so and it was uploaded to many of them then.

by Anonymousreply 100February 4, 2020 10:05 AM

[quote]I wonder if Larry was the stalker to whom Catherine’s husband was referring.

Of course not. He's the one who TOLD Larry about the stalker.

Actually, the husband was quite odd and I would bet there was no stalker at all.

by Anonymousreply 101February 4, 2020 10:07 AM

They must have been living apart. Didn’t the article say he had to be informed about her death?

by Anonymousreply 102February 4, 2020 10:45 AM

The neighbor hadn't seen her in over a year. The husband got in touch with THR using a highly encrypted email service. He demanded to know how he and his wife — "an old woman long out of the acting game" — had been found. He claimed that they had fended off a stalker years before and were highly wary of any inquiries. She dies after "falling and hitting her head." And the husband "acknowledged this" to THR after they told him they knew she was dead.

There's a Baby Jane movie script buried somewhere in this line of BS.

by Anonymousreply 103February 4, 2020 12:37 PM

Unfortunately, we had faces then.

by Anonymousreply 104February 4, 2020 2:22 PM

George C. Scott, Colleen Dewhurst, Tuesday Weld, Melvyn Douglas, Catherine Burns — that version of “The Crucible” has quite the cast!

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by Anonymousreply 105February 4, 2020 4:02 PM

"And Louise Brooks, the silent film star; for a time it looked like she would become a big star, but due to her drinking and irresponsibility her career tanked and she lived a hand to mouth existence for a long time, working as a shopgirl and a call girl along the way."

Didn't Veronica Lake become a shopgirl, too?

by Anonymousreply 106February 4, 2020 4:18 PM

Catherine Burns kind of reminds me of Estelle Parsons.

by Anonymousreply 107February 4, 2020 4:40 PM

Burns was paired with Todd Susman in the “Love and Lady Luck” segment.

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by Anonymousreply 108February 4, 2020 4:48 PM

John Simon's nasty (even for him) critic of Burns in Last Summer:

"The kids themselves, with the exception of Cathy Burns (Rhoda), are not particularly good actors, and Barbara Hershey (Sandy, and not a kid anymore) looks, regrettably, much better with her bikini top on than off. Miss Burns, on the other hand, is an extremely accomplished little actress, but also insuperably homely — she looks, in fact, like a pink beach ball with a few limbs and features painted on it. There is no excuse for Rhoda’s being a positive freak, and making us feel she is damned lucky to have been raped at all."

by Anonymousreply 109February 4, 2020 4:51 PM

I loved Red Sky at Morning. Not the greatest movie ever but ....

by Anonymousreply 110February 4, 2020 4:54 PM

[Quote] There is no excuse for Rhoda’s being a positive freak, and making us feel she is damned lucky to have been raped at all.

Vile.

by Anonymousreply 111February 4, 2020 4:56 PM

John Simon should be a Datalounge Icon.

by Anonymousreply 112February 4, 2020 5:00 PM

[quote]a pink beach ball with a few limbs and features painted on it

The pithiest description of most DLers ever committed to paper.

by Anonymousreply 113February 4, 2020 5:03 PM

“Red Sky at Morning” is an underrated gem. Richard Thomas is superb, and it was nice to see him reunited with Catherine Burns after “Last Summer”.

by Anonymousreply 114February 4, 2020 5:17 PM

Jesus, r109, how the fuck did an editor allow that to pass. That is truly evil.

by Anonymousreply 115February 4, 2020 5:34 PM

I Know What Barbara Hershey Did Last Summer:

During the filming of Last Summer, a seagull was killed. "In one scene," Hershey explained, "I had to throw the bird in the air to make her fly. We had to reshoot the scene over and over again. I could tell the bird was tired. Finally, when the scene was finished, the director, Frank Perry, told me the bird had broken her neck on the last throw." Hershey felt responsible for the bird's death and changed her stage name to "Seagull" as a tribute to the creature. "I felt her spirit enter me," she later explained. "It was the only moral thing to do."The name change was not positively received. When she was offered a part opposite Timothy Bottoms in The Crazy World of Julius Vrooder (1974) Hershey had to forfeit half her salary, $25,000, to be billed under the name "Seagull" because the producers were not in favor of the billing.

by Anonymousreply 116February 4, 2020 5:39 PM

I read the article and see nothing off about the husband, he just seems like a very private individual who wants to honor his wife's wishes. As he pointed out he is in his "eighth decade ", he came up in a generation that didn't need to share every single private detail with the world. He didn't have to be "informed " of his wife's passing, he just didn't immediately bring it up to an anonymous stranger who had tracked him down . While I find the story interesting I can understand why an eighty something man doesn't want to be bothered talking about a business that his late wife clearly had negative associations with.

by Anonymousreply 117February 4, 2020 5:45 PM

The husband was looking for a payout as well.

by Anonymousreply 118February 4, 2020 5:46 PM

"Vanishing". She didn't vanish, she just stopped her promo.

by Anonymousreply 119February 4, 2020 6:05 PM

R99 Page is very beautiful in that rather heavy style that was the vogue back then. Striking eyes and strong features.

by Anonymousreply 120February 4, 2020 6:51 PM

Does Bruce Davidson show his blond pubes in this?

by Anonymousreply 121February 4, 2020 6:54 PM

R118 Exactly. "Maybe we can do business." He was creepy.

by Anonymousreply 122February 4, 2020 7:30 PM

[quote]I'm sure the link above wants credit card info.

Nope. You just have to go thru the ‘I’m not a robot’ picture quiz, then click the pop-up pages out of the way a few times.

Mildly annoying, but easy to navigate.

by Anonymousreply 123February 4, 2020 7:45 PM

"Didn't Veronica Lake become a shopgirl, too?"

I never heard that. But she did work as a waitress. She said she liked it and that she was NOT destitute. But it was a long way from being a major Hollywood star.

by Anonymousreply 124February 4, 2020 8:39 PM

In addition to rape, "Last Summer" also features animal torture. Hershey's character (and I think the two boys, too) delight in tying a string to a bird's leg and flying it like a kite. Later Hershey's character was supposed to have freed it, but ends up "bashing its head in." It's a truly nasty movie.

by Anonymousreply 125February 4, 2020 8:46 PM

I like Red Sky at Morning, too. It used to be on cable quite a bit

by Anonymousreply 126February 4, 2020 8:54 PM

I found this article from 1971 where she just totally picks herself apart. She's one of those people that should've stayed behind the scenes in the business. The harsh comments she got a few years earlier no doubt wrecked any self esteem she had at the time.

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by Anonymousreply 127February 4, 2020 10:00 PM

R117 Her husband is nowhere near that old. He was 15 years younger than she was. He's currently 59 years old.

by Anonymousreply 128February 4, 2020 10:02 PM

That article shows her parading vulnerability. You gotta get a gimmick etc.

by Anonymousreply 129February 4, 2020 10:05 PM

I’m lucky I saw it on VHS a few years ago when I was going through an Oscar nominee phase. A powerful, raw performance. I imagine she came in last in the voting, given the high profile films and star power of the other nominees. Great article. She lived on her own terms which is commendable.

by Anonymousreply 130February 4, 2020 10:31 PM

I know Lynden. It was in the Guinness Book of World Records for most churches per capita at one time.

They were also blamed as to why Whatcom County didn't have MTV in its cable package back in the 1980s. I don't know if they were responsible, but they made for an easy scapegoat.

by Anonymousreply 131February 4, 2020 10:48 PM

Those reviews of her looks were absolutely unnecessary.

It’s not like audiences needed to be told what she looked like, those cunts simply enjoyed trying to outwit each other.

by Anonymousreply 132February 4, 2020 10:50 PM

(cont) Anyhow, she found love in her 40s and married. I seems her husband really loved her. While her life wasn't picture perfect, I was expecting much worse post-movie career developments.

by Anonymousreply 133February 4, 2020 10:50 PM

Speaking of shop girls....

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by Anonymousreply 134February 4, 2020 11:01 PM

[quote]John Simon should be a Datalounge Icon.

Absolutely not. He didn't have a drop of wit or a sense of humor. He was just cruel. That was only just one of his unnecessary personal attacks. Apparently deeply unhappy and irony of irony dropped dead in a dinner theater.

by Anonymousreply 135February 5, 2020 12:06 AM

Was it at a Ruth Buzzi performance?

by Anonymousreply 136February 5, 2020 12:09 AM

"He didn't have a drop of wit or a sense of humor. He was just cruel."

Actually, he was a very well educated, interesting man. I've seen him in interviews and read some of his writings and he comes across as person who definitely knows what he's talking about. I think a lot of his more outrageous remarks were just an effort to shock and get attention. He was not unlike Madonna in that regard.

by Anonymousreply 137February 5, 2020 12:42 AM

[quote] "He didn't have a drop of wit or a sense of humor. He was just cruel."

[quote] Actually, he was a very well educated, interesting man.

Actually, he was a very well educated, interesting man who didn't have a drop of wit or a sense of humor. He was just cruel.

Happy Dear?

by Anonymousreply 138February 5, 2020 12:50 AM

"Actually, he was a very well educated, interesting man who didn't have a drop of wit or a sense of humor. He was just cruel.

Happy Dear?"

Darling, if he didn't have anything other than cruelty he would not have had a successful career as a critic for decades. Ta, ta, dearheart!

by Anonymousreply 139February 5, 2020 1:16 AM

She reminds me of Samantha Morton. An interesting and expressive face. She would have aged well for an actress and grown into the types of roles actresses like Brenda Blethyn play imho.

Th falling and hitting her head and cirrhosis do point to alcohol problems - many sensitive self critical people have similar issues.

I've never seen Last Summer, but will watch tonight. I wonder what her writing was like?

by Anonymousreply 140February 5, 2020 1:33 AM

I don't know what all the fuss is about. She seems like any plain, competent supporting actress in a movie or TV show. Thousands have come and gone. Why the attention on her?

by Anonymousreply 141February 5, 2020 9:58 AM

Just to piss you off, R141.

by Anonymousreply 142February 5, 2020 10:19 AM

[quote]Darling, if he didn't have anything other than cruelty he would not have had a successful career as a critic for decades. Ta, ta, dearheart!

If your replies are any indication, you wouldn't know wit if it bent you over a barrel and fucked you senseless.

Simon, like a LOT of critics and gossip mavens of the day, was hired BECAUSE he was cruel. That was the basic gimmick for anyone in his line of business. Rex Reed, Mr. Blackwell, the rock critics like Christgau were all descendant from the nasty Louella Parsons tabloid types (1940s) and the bitchery-as-intellectualism Cahier du Cinema types (1950s), and they took the cultural revolution as an excuse to just be enormous assholes any chance they got, often pretending it was counterculturalism.

But the main point here is that Simon was racist, homophobic and antisemitic, and it doesn't matter how educated he was, he was a bigot. That you can't recognize that says more about you than anyone else here.

by Anonymousreply 143February 5, 2020 10:25 AM

It’s creepy to just show up at someone’s door. WTF. Especially for an entertainment story. it’s not 60 Minutes. The writer was stalkerish.

by Anonymousreply 144February 5, 2020 12:24 PM

Why the fuck would a 50 something want to live in a retirement village?

by Anonymousreply 145February 5, 2020 12:30 PM

I was wondering the same thing, R145.

by Anonymousreply 146February 5, 2020 12:35 PM

[quote]Simon, like a LOT of critics and gossip mavens of the day, was hired BECAUSE he was cruel. That was the basic gimmick for anyone in his line of business. Rex Reed, Mr. Blackwell, the rock critics like Christgau were all descendant from the nasty Louella Parsons tabloid types (1940s) and the bitchery-as-intellectualism Cahier du Cinema types (1950s), and they took the cultural revolution as an excuse to just be enormous assholes any chance they got, often pretending it was counterculturalism.

Interesting perspective.

When I was a kid I remember seeing Rex Reed on TV talking about a new film with Sarah Miles and a scene where she exposes her breasts. He described them as looking like "two burnt cup cakes".

Or Truman Capote's famous line about Jacqueline Susann looking like a "truck driver in drag".

The stuff these guys could get away with.

by Anonymousreply 147February 5, 2020 12:42 PM

Addison DeWitt and 'Sweet Smell of Success' set the stereotype. And then there was all the Norman Mailer and Mary McCarthy and Gore Vidal bitchiness. I admit to enjoying reading Sally Quinn in her heyday in the Washington Post, though now I despise her.

by Anonymousreply 148February 5, 2020 2:20 PM

R145 I found that odd too, unless the public records were incorrect about his age.

According to the site I used, it would seem they left NYC in the early to mid 2000s, then lived in New Hampshire for around a decade, before moving to Washington State circa the mid 2010s. As recently as 2016, they were living in a regular apartment complex.

Another interesting thing was Catherine went by Burns and apparently never used Shire or her husbands real last name. They did file for a marriage license in 1989 in Manhattan, but you can't search for actual marriages that recent in NY online. An LA Times article from 1989, did say they got married that year though.

R144 I would assume the phone numbers for them on the public record sites no longer worked, and they probably called the apartment complex they lived at previously in Washington (in another town) and the owner told them where they moved to. That must've been the only way to reach them, if they didn't have a current number or other contact info.

by Anonymousreply 149February 5, 2020 2:44 PM

According to someone who commented under Larry's Twitter thread, she knew Catherine and her husband, and his name isn't Shire. She wouldn't say what his real name was, just that he was obviously trying to hide his identity.

by Anonymousreply 150February 5, 2020 2:46 PM

Journalists still have to do some work old school and actually visit people in person, especially when they don't have phone numbers or social media to contact them through. I know that seems weird in the age of the internet, but it's true, and it's not creepy.

by Anonymousreply 151February 5, 2020 2:47 PM

Last Summer was one of the first dark movies I saw as a teen...it stuck wit me. She was incredible but you just knew that Hollywood wouldn't know how to use her. She couldn't play frumpy friends for her whole career.

by Anonymousreply 152February 5, 2020 2:48 PM

To hear the critics - and Catherine herself - describe her looks, you'd think she should have been living under a bridge and feasting on children.

Looking at clips of her, I thought she was cute as hell. How sad that even she couldn't see her own beauty.

by Anonymousreply 153February 5, 2020 2:51 PM

On Su Tissue, R39 besides being the lead singer of Suburban Lawns and everything else elusive and strange about her, she also recorded an odd, gorgeous instrumental piano solo album in 1984 called Salon de Musique.

The original copies go for hundreds on eBay and Discogs now because it's so rare. But you can hear the whole thing online:

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by Anonymousreply 154February 5, 2020 2:54 PM

They should have built a Dorothy Kilgallen biopic around her.

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by Anonymousreply 155February 5, 2020 2:57 PM

Thank you for the article OP

by Anonymousreply 156February 5, 2020 2:58 PM

R150 That is correct. Shire was apparently his professional last name as a writer. His real last name is a very common jewish one. I'm not going to post it because he seems a bit weird and paranoid from the THR article.

R151 The public records site I used didn't list any emails for either of them (and most often, people have emails listed), and although I didn't look that much, it didn't seem they were on any social media either. I'm guessing going there was the only option they had if they really wanted to do the story.

by Anonymousreply 157February 5, 2020 3:00 PM

"But the main point here is that Simon was racist, homophobic and antisemitic, and it doesn't matter how educated he was, he was a bigot. That you can't recognize that says more about you than anyone else here."

Oh shut up, you hysterical twat. He was shrewd enough to know that if he said outrageous things he would get a rise out of people and that would ensure there would always be interest in him. And by the way, he was just a theater/film critic. Your hysteria about him is unwarranted. Maybe you should talk to somebody about it.

by Anonymousreply 158February 5, 2020 8:22 PM

"When I was a kid I remember seeing Rex Reed on TV talking about a new film with Sarah Miles and a scene where she exposes her breasts. He described them as looking like "two burnt cup cakes".

That's pretty funny. I think that's why critics of the sort that Rex Reed and John Simon were had successful careers. They were amusing with their bitchy comments. I don't think many people took what they said too seriously, although the hysteric at R143 obviously does.

by Anonymousreply 159February 5, 2020 8:26 PM

R147. IIRC! Reed was describing Glenda Jackson in "Women in love" with that remark. he couldn't bear it that she had bigger balls than he did.

by Anonymousreply 160February 5, 2020 11:40 PM

[quote]She couldn't play frumpy friends for her whole career.

And why the hell not?

by Anonymousreply 161February 6, 2020 12:28 AM

I kind of agree R153, and she looked great on the Academy Awards- definitely pretty!

by Anonymousreply 162February 6, 2020 12:31 AM

Oliver Reed, unlike Rex, looks like he could hold his own with co-star Glenda.

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by Anonymousreply 163February 6, 2020 2:07 AM

"He was shrewd enough to know that if he said outrageous things he would get a rise out of people and that would ensure there would always be interest in him. And by the way, he was just a theater/film critic. Your hysteria about him is unwarranted."

Accurately describing someone as mean, anti-Semitic, and sexist is hysteria now?

by Anonymousreply 164February 6, 2020 2:34 AM

Is a bad fall a common death? On the top of my head I can think of William Holden, Alice from the Brady Bunch and now Cathy Burns.

by Anonymousreply 165February 6, 2020 2:38 AM

Didn't Elaine Stritch have a fall?

by Anonymousreply 166February 6, 2020 2:39 AM

[quote]Accurately describing someone as mean, anti-Semitic, and sexist is hysteria now?

He's just whining because he defended Simon earlier in the thread and got called out on it.

He's probably the guy who lost his shit when we mentioned in the John Simon obituary thread that he'd been massively homophobic on two occasions, loudly complaining about the "gays taking over theater" and hoping AIDS killed them all, and also writing that The Octet Bridge Club was "faggot nonsense" and Show Me Where The Good Times Are was a "faggoty Jewish musical."

I'm sure he'll be along any second to tell me I'm a hysteric for accurately quoting John Simon.

by Anonymousreply 167February 6, 2020 9:40 AM

Dana Delany commented in the original thread on twitter.

"I snuck into that movie at 13, was so moved & unnerved by Burns. And relieved that girls with round faces could be in movies. I read the LA Times 1989 piece & was happy for her. I truly hope she found some peace. Fame is a cruel master(not mistress). Thx Larry & @ScottFeinberg"

by Anonymousreply 168February 6, 2020 10:59 AM

"He's probably the guy who lost his shit when we mentioned in the John Simon obituary thread that he'd been massively homophobic on two occasions, loudly complaining about the "gays taking over theater" and hoping AIDS killed them all, and also writing that The Octet Bridge Club was "faggot nonsense" and Show Me Where The Good Times Are was a "faggoty Jewish musical."

You took such comments seriously? I'm sure that's exactly what Simon wanted, to make delicate creatures such as yourself terribly overwrought and upset. I'm sure he got a lot of laughs out of knowing what effect he had on poor, easily distressed types like you. He liked to prey on weak minds like yours.

by Anonymousreply 169February 6, 2020 8:45 PM

Simon got his start in the early 1960s, writing for The New Leader (I think) and Theatre Arts, and he got absolutely nowhere, because he was just talking about the plays he reviewed rather than despising them, attacking actors on the personal level, and generally raising hell.

And it worked. He became so famous that he became a Thing, and even though New York's editors were constantly being asked to drop him because he was lowering the quality of theater criticism, they never would because he kept the magazine famous.

I think he could, on rare occasions, be witty. He called the musical Raggedy Ann "a cross between The Wizard Of Oz and Die Frau Ohne Schatten," and if you know all three works, it's clever and actually a fair observation.

But most of what he said, even when he wasn't behaving badly, was all the same motivated by misanthropy and cultural snobbery.

by Anonymousreply 170February 8, 2020 7:26 AM

Well, she was included in the In Memoriam segment.

by Anonymousreply 171February 10, 2020 3:01 AM

So glad to see that she was included in the Oscar “In Memoriam” segment!

by Anonymousreply 172February 10, 2020 3:43 AM

Katharine Graham died after a fall.

by Anonymousreply 173February 10, 2020 3:46 AM

[quote] Actually, he was a very well educated, interesting man.

Today’s politics—especially among the Democratic Party elites—consists of well-educated men and women who are sociopaths.

John Simon was ahead of his time.

by Anonymousreply 174February 10, 2020 3:47 AM

And yet Dorothy Malone wasn't when she did.

by Anonymousreply 175February 10, 2020 4:46 AM

*when she died.

by Anonymousreply 176February 10, 2020 4:46 AM

They left out Valentina Cortese and Ron Leibman this year.

by Anonymousreply 177February 10, 2020 6:29 AM

And Michael J . Pollard

by Anonymousreply 178February 10, 2020 6:43 AM

Did you notice Burns' clip was almost like a last-minute add on. I was still very happy they included her. But Pollard and Cortese were big misses. Both had been nominated, and Pollard's role in Bonnie and Clyde is practically iconic. Liebman was mostly television, but he had some memorable film roles and definitely should have been included as well.

by Anonymousreply 179February 10, 2020 7:00 AM

They must have seen the article on Burns and included her based on that.

Technically she should have been on last year's telecast but I guess it wasn't known she had died. She died Feb. 2nd way before the ceremony.

by Anonymousreply 180February 10, 2020 7:05 AM

[quote] They left out Valentina Cortese

Much to the amusement of Miss Diane Ladd sitting in the audience, I imagine.

by Anonymousreply 181February 10, 2020 7:10 AM

R`181 Was Ladd nominated against Cortese? and they both lost to Ingrid Bergman for Murder on the Orient Express? Ladd has been a big campaigner against "Fraud" nominations, when a leading actress deliberately puts herself in the supporting category to increase chances of winning. The 5 in supporting this year were all truly supporting performances. (Brad Pitt was the only supp who could easily have been lead). But imagine if, say Fences had come out this year instead. And Viola Davis ran in supporting and beat Dern. Miss Diane Ladd would have been SO PISSED!

by Anonymousreply 182February 10, 2020 7:35 AM

I don’t know about Ladd but I had no problem with Davis being in supporting since in The Tonys it had been in both categories. When I saw the film forgettable as it was I think there was long periods of time when Davis wasn’t in it.

by Anonymousreply 183February 10, 2020 8:11 AM

No Jan-Michael Vincent either.

by Anonymousreply 184February 10, 2020 8:13 AM

R182 Ladd was mad as hell back in 1975 because Bergman mentioned only Cortese in her speech and left the other three co-nominees out. She said it was wrong to single out just one of them.

by Anonymousreply 185February 10, 2020 8:23 AM

It was rude but despite being a beloved movie star I think Ingrid has been described as selfish. I notice they mention everyone in the category a lot now but sometimes they forget one person. I believe the person DL loves to hate Julia Roberts did that once.

by Anonymousreply 186February 10, 2020 9:37 AM

If memory serves, r185, her exact words were "What are we, chopped liver?". Ingrid and Valentina were friends. She wasn't slighting the other nominees as much as crediting Cortese giving a truthful performance of an aging film actress. One that Ingrid could identify with. She signed my program after a performance of The Constant Wife. I complimented her on her nomination and she was very humble about it.

by Anonymousreply 187February 10, 2020 11:40 AM

"Today’s politics—especially among the Democratic Party elites—consists of well-educated men and women who are sociopaths."

As opposed to the Republican elites like Mr. Pussygrabber?

"I'm sure that's exactly what Simon wanted, to make delicate creatures such as yourself terribly overwrought and upset. I'm sure he got a lot of laughs out of knowing what effect he had on poor, easily distressed types like you. He liked to prey on weak minds like yours."

The weak minds are people who aren't offended by blatant prejudice. I wonder if you're one of those Republicans who shriek about easily offended liberals while getting offended by J. Lo wearing sexy outfits at the Super Bowl

by Anonymousreply 188February 10, 2020 4:24 PM

R179, I suspect that Burns’s inclusion in the “In Memoriam” segment was a result of the “HR” article. Hasty or not, it was good to see her there.

by Anonymousreply 189February 10, 2020 6:01 PM

Yes that HAD to include Douglas even with his recent death ( their usual excuse for excluding)it was very nice to include Burns but I wondered if she would have cared or not.

by Anonymousreply 190February 10, 2020 9:19 PM

Pollard wasn't in the clip? I could have sworn he was.

by Anonymousreply 191February 10, 2020 9:21 PM

Maybe many years after his death if true all the terrible things he did will be revealed. Kind like John Wayne outed as a racist. Or maybe his beloved son Michael has enough money pay people off.

by Anonymousreply 192February 10, 2020 9:44 PM

I have Michael's remembrance right here, bitches.

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by Anonymousreply 193February 10, 2020 9:47 PM

Michael Douglas is very rich and very vengeful. He conducted a ruthless PR campaign against his ex-wife Diandra Douglas when their son Cameron was being tried for serious drug charges. He spread all the dirt about what a terrible and neglectful mother she was, soliciting dozens of people to write letters to the judge to that effect. He planted a flurry of stories in the New York Post and other papers. Most of it was scrubbed off the web within a few years.

by Anonymousreply 194February 10, 2020 11:00 PM

R194 Like rapist father, like son I guess!

by Anonymousreply 195February 10, 2020 11:13 PM

I have a friend who was her classmate at the Academy of Dramatic Arts in New York. He said they did a scene from The Rainmaker in one of their classes, and she was so good in it that it moved their teacher to tears. He also said Cathy was very shy and unassuming and very uncomfortable with praise and compliments.

He said he was glad to see the Academy remember her during the In Memoriam segment. He always felt she should have won for "Last Summer."

by Anonymousreply 196February 11, 2020 12:47 AM

Interesting article. Hollywood reporter is a pretty decent entertainment magazine for movie and celeb coverage . I used get my film coverage from NYT arts but gave up on them after their disgraceful Trump enabling during 2016. I also stopped reading new york magazine entertainment because I got sick of their dipshit millennial writers who are terrified to go against any opinion they see on twitter.

by Anonymousreply 197February 11, 2020 12:56 AM

Diane was apparently so pissed over Ingrid's snub that she got into it with Pia Zadora years later on Live at Five.

by Anonymousreply 198February 11, 2020 1:10 AM

Uh, R198, are you sure you don’t mean Pia Lindstrom, not Pia Zadora?!

by Anonymousreply 199February 11, 2020 1:18 AM

Poor Diane really thought she had a chance to be nominated for that broom or mop movie ( I can’t remember which)...

by Anonymousreply 200February 11, 2020 1:29 AM

R197, the dipshits are old timers who are afraid of young people, and so they make silly generalizations about "millennials"

by Anonymousreply 201February 11, 2020 1:33 AM

Last night’s Oscar did seem to be geared towards young people. I don’t know what crazy person thought anyone wanted to hear Eminem. No mention of Barbra’s A Star Is Born that was one of the first movies that had a very successful soundtrack.

by Anonymousreply 202February 11, 2020 1:46 AM

R201 Oh please . Read the average entertainment article on slate, huff Po, or New York mag. Many of the younger writers (and quite a few of the older ones ) are completely unable to express any opinion that goes even mildly against the grain. It's like each article is written by the exact same person. It's their conformity that makes them bores, not their youth.

by Anonymousreply 203February 11, 2020 1:47 AM

R203, I'd say the people who use tired "woke Twitter" talking points or make generalizations about "kids today" probably isn't contributing anything to the world. The conformity of all the "millennials are evil" DL old timers is pretty sad.

by Anonymousreply 204February 11, 2020 1:54 AM

R204 I didn't say that ALL or even most millennials were bad people or lacked the ability to think independently. I said that many millennial entertainment journalists at these SPECIFIC publications are conformist bores. Which is true.

Reading comprehension is vital.

by Anonymousreply 205February 11, 2020 2:05 AM

Yes,I hate it when someone says Twitter is mad at so and so. Kinda like when someone says 70%of America wants to hear witnesses. Huh? No one asked me.

by Anonymousreply 206February 11, 2020 2:06 AM

R205, you're the one who can't read. You specifically singled out "millennial" writers instead of just saying you don't like their writers. I'm guessing you're a butthurt Trump fan who gets pissed when someone says something liberal, so you accuse them of not being sincere and claiming that they're afraid of what "Twitter" will think....in reality they are just expressing what they really feel. Shocker, just because someone doesn't share your Trumpster views does not mean their views aren't sincere

by Anonymousreply 207February 11, 2020 2:12 AM

[quote]No mention of Barbra’s A Star Is Born that was one of the first movies that had a very successful soundtrack.

Really? REALLY?

West Side Story, The Sound of Music, The Music Man, etc., etc., etc.

by Anonymousreply 208February 11, 2020 2:15 AM

R207 You're delusional. I wrote in my initial comment that I stopped reading New York Times because I hated how easy they were on Trump during 2016. But I see you have some personal investment in these silly publications so there's no point in arguing any further and derailing the discussion. Though it is ironic that you proved my point about the general White /Black way of thinking prevalent now. Bye!

by Anonymousreply 209February 11, 2020 2:21 AM

R207 You're delusional. I wrote in my initial comment that I stopped reading New York Times because I hated how easy they were on Trump during 2016. But I see you have some personal investment in these silly publications so there's no point in arguing any further and derailing the discussion. Though it is ironic that you proved my point about the general White /Black way of thinking prevalent now. Bye!

by Anonymousreply 210February 11, 2020 2:21 AM

Black and white thinking is assuming someone's opinion is insincere just because they don't agree with you.

by Anonymousreply 211February 11, 2020 2:22 AM

Eminem peaked 20 years ago. It's not "young people" who are listening to his music unless you're one of those dataloungers who think millennials born in 1981 are little kids.

by Anonymousreply 212February 11, 2020 2:33 AM

Pia Lindstrom was so good in "The Lonely Lady".

by Anonymousreply 213February 11, 2020 3:37 AM

I want to see a sister act featuring Pia Zadora and Isabella Rossellini.

by Anonymousreply 214February 11, 2020 3:38 AM

Clip of her on One Life to Live.

She wasn’t fired by Erika Slezak because the roles of Viki/Niki were at that time played by Gillian Spencer. And even if Slezak WAS there at the time she had absolutely no say in who got hired or fired.

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by Anonymousreply 215February 11, 2020 3:47 AM

I don't know how soap opera fans endure that sort of acting - like they're all reading out loud a speech they've learned. Burns was different, thankfully.

by Anonymousreply 216February 11, 2020 3:54 AM

Made me think of her parallel to Betsy Slade as mentioned in this article.

by Anonymousreply 217February 11, 2020 3:55 AM

I enjoyed that clip from "One Life to Live" more than "Last Summer". For those who carelessly scrolled past it:

Cathy desperately wants to be the third wheel on her father's Bermuda honeymoon, but the father rejects the idea and his fiance promises to show Cathy photos of Bermuda when they return.

by Anonymousreply 218February 11, 2020 4:03 AM

Betsy Slade, also UNSUNG!

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by Anonymousreply 219February 11, 2020 4:04 AM

Sissy Spacek was offbeat looking but also very much a successful leading lady.

Rex Reed said she looked like a fetus or something like that.

by Anonymousreply 220February 11, 2020 4:11 AM

R216 That was very old school soap acting.

They kinda are reciting a speech but most of them read it from cue cards!

Hasn't been that way in a while.

by Anonymousreply 221February 11, 2020 4:44 AM

In the OLTL clip, she was photographed as badly as possible, from above, which emphasized her round head and high forehead.

by Anonymousreply 222February 11, 2020 5:25 AM

John Simon said mean things about Barbra (like she should be a waitress or something) reason enough for me to hate him.

Some say Pia Lindstrom had no acting talent in her blood and the only reason she got the role in the award winning Butterfly was her rich husband.

by Anonymousreply 223February 11, 2020 5:26 AM

How I miss AMC and OLTL I quit watching for years but had it on for background noise. Was Cathy an important character through out the show? I forget. She looks like in the clip she may be getting a gun.

by Anonymousreply 224February 11, 2020 5:42 AM

[quote]r220 Rex Reed said she looked like a fetus or something like that.

I wouldn't pay any attention to that. You know how bitchy fags can be!

by Anonymousreply 225February 11, 2020 6:01 AM

Well, a few words about both Last Summer and John Simon:

Last Summer was a lost film for years. Somehow the original camera negative disappeared and it was such a low budget film there had been few if any "protection elements" made. After the original prints wore out, the film went unseen for years. After a long search, a 16mm copy of of the R rated version was found around 2000 or 2001 in Australia. That version was the source of the VHS version and all current theatrical prints but it has never appeared on DVD or Blu-ray. As mentioned above, the original release was rated X but it only appeared for a week or two in LA and New York before it was withdrawn and cuts made to the rape scene for the R rating. There was also a PG rated version that used to be shown on TV with even more severe cuts that gutted the film and I don't think it is still around.

Sondra Locke was originally offered Barbara Hershey's role but she turned it down. The film was based on a novel by esteemed writer Evan Hunter, who wrote the screenplay for Hitchcock's The Birds but he had nothing to do with the film of Last Summer. The film was written by Eleanor Perry, wife of director Frank Perry. The novel takes place in one of the straight communities on Fire Island, where it was filmed on location.

I think if the film hadn't been unavailable for so many years, Burns' reputation would have been much higher.

Perhaps more later on my encounter with John Simon but it's 3:00 am and I've had one too many bourbons and I've learned not to post here when I'm sleepy and drunk. Good night.

by Anonymousreply 226February 11, 2020 7:13 AM

^ Meh, a couple of more comments about Last Summer. In the film, Richard Thomas' father is played by Ralph Waite. The closeted Waite later played Thomas' father on The Waltons. Burns and Bruce Davidson both made guest appearances on the show. Again, good night.

by Anonymousreply 227February 11, 2020 7:43 AM

[quote] After a long search, a 16mm copy of of the R rated version was found around 2000 or 2001 in Australia. That version was the source of the VHS version and all current theatrical prints but it has never appeared on DVD or Blu-ray.

Why would a print found in 2000-2001 be made into a VHS when DVD had been around for 5 years and VHS was on the way out?

There are no *prints* of Last Summer, there's ONE print, and it's the Australian print found by the American Cinematheque in 2012. It is the only surviving film print.

Maybe have a few less bourbons because you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

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by Anonymousreply 228February 11, 2020 7:54 AM

[quote] There are no *prints* of Last Summer, there's ONE print, and it's the Australian print found by the American Cinematheque in 2012. It is the only surviving film print.

R228, i wasn't sure of all the facts I remembered, so I checked both IMDB and Wikipedia before posting. According to WP:

[quote] All original 35mm prints of the film were lost for years. In 2001 a 16mm print was located at the National Film and Sound Archive of Australia after a two-year search and was brought to Los Angeles. Apparently it was the only surviving film version of the movie. The film had a rare showing in 2012 in Los Angeles.[5]

Other posters have said they have seen it on VHS, I perhaps incorrectly assumed that if there is a VHS version it is from the surviving 16mm Australian print. Certainly not from the OCN or original prints. If I am wrong, I apologize.

The WP article contradicts you (found in 2001 but not shown in a theater until 20012) , but as Lady Bracknell once, said "I have known strange errors in that publication." Love you, dear. All my best. Again, good night.

by Anonymousreply 229February 11, 2020 8:20 AM

So has the American Cinemateque preserved a copy now? Surely they're not just sending around the one Aussie copy still?

by Anonymousreply 230February 11, 2020 8:43 AM

I'm kinda hoping TcM might show it.

If the x rated version has male nudity I want to see. More of the terrible rape not at all.

by Anonymousreply 231February 11, 2020 8:56 AM

[quote] So has the American Cinemateque preserved a copy now? Surely they're not just sending around the one Aussie copy still?

That I don't know. I don't know who owns the print. And I'm not sure who is authorizing its exhibition. I do know that the New Beverly showed it a couple of years ago, and I agree that it's certainly risky to screen the one and only print without preserving it. I remember when I saw it at the Cinematheque, it was pretty washed out, but I have no idea why it hasn't been scanned (but I also don't know that it hasn't been scanned). I do know that a couple of specialty blu ray labels have looked into it and have said it was not possible (without giving further reason).

I remember close to 20 years ago the Cinematheque screened a very rare print of Toomorrow. I went to see it and thought it was a hoot and recommended it to a distributor I'd worked with. They asked me to get some info and I actually found out it was the only surviving print and was housed at the BBC Archive which loaned it out for screenings. The Cinematheque couldn't even pay a rental fee for it because no one knew who owned the rights. No one would claim them. Very bizarre situation. I researched it and did some leg work, even going by the BBC when I was in London on another matter. Due diligence said no one held the copyright and that it was likely public domain, but the distributor didn't want to take the chance because of the music, so they passed.

The Cinematheque screened it again 3 years later with the director present to do a Q&A, and I know some bullshit UK label put it out in a really lousy transfer about a decade later. I don't know if they used the BBC print, but I would assume so.

There is always hope, though, that another print of Last Summer does still exist, either in someone's private collection or sitting on a shelf somewhere unmarked. Look at the lost footage from Metropolis. If they can find that, then anything is possible.

And in the meantime, there are plenty of watchable bootlegs around.

by Anonymousreply 232February 11, 2020 9:03 AM

[quote] If the x rated version has male nudity I want to see. More of the terrible rape not at all.

There is no more male nudity in the X version than there is in the R version. The two versions are very similar. The rape scene just goes on longer and is a bit more graphic in the X. I have bootlegs of both and watching the R is completely fine.

by Anonymousreply 233February 11, 2020 9:06 AM

My older brother had the book and I snuck it out and read it when I was about 10. Never saw the movie but would like to.

by Anonymousreply 234February 11, 2020 9:16 AM

I don't believe there are no more prints. Warner Bros is a major and they they didn't just destroy prints. After opening exclusive in NY city it opened around in Queens and Long Island with over thirty prints alone. The picture played al all over the country and world. There are prints out there in some film depot where prints were stored for future booking such as a double feature and no on has looked hard enough. This title would ever be a money maker on DVD/Blu-ray to off set the cost. And some projectionist probably swiped a print as that was common for their collection.

by Anonymousreply 235February 11, 2020 9:17 AM

R233 is entirely correct. The original X version exists as low quality boots as does the R rated version 35mm. The Australian 16mm version is the wide release R rated version but as r233 points out, the cuts were minor. Nothing as severe as the version released for broadcast TV. The 16mm Aussie version is the R rated version and the only surviving version which was originally released that survives in decent condition. The original 35mm versions and the Original Camera Negative are long gone.

by Anonymousreply 236February 11, 2020 9:22 AM

[quote] I don't believe there are no more prints. Warner Bros is a major and they they didn't just destroy prints.

But they did (and do). Not every single one, but a studio/distributor will maybe keep 2-5 prints of a film tops, and destroy the rest (and today, they'll erase and reuse the DCP). Otherwise you're talking a mint in storage costs. Don't forget, the negatives are usually preserved, so a print can always be struck at a later date if need be.

I'm sure back when there was a larger market for repertory and college screenings, the studios had more prints on hand, but those days are long gone.

by Anonymousreply 237February 11, 2020 9:23 AM

[quote] I don't believe there are no more prints. Warner Bros is a major and they they didn't just destroy prints.

Of course they did, What happened to the original uncut prints of A Star Is Born with Judy? Ron Haver's "restoration" was wonderful but it depended highly on photos and alternative takes despite the few actual scenes he recovered.

One well known film collector allegedly has two complete prints of the original film despite swearing to Liza that he doesn't. But he supposedly remembers what happened to Roddy McDowall as well as having a very unpleasant experience with WB when he tried to turn his copies over to them through intermediaries.

by Anonymousreply 238February 11, 2020 10:57 AM

[quote] I don't believe there are no more prints. Warner Bros is a major and they they didn't just destroy prints.

Of course they did, What happened to the original uncut prints of A Star Is Born with Judy? Ron Haver's "restoration" was wonderful but it depended highly on photos and alternative takes despite the few actual scenes he recovered.

One well known film collector allegedly has two complete prints of the original film despite swearing to Liza that he doesn't. But he supposedly remembers what happened to Roddy McDowall as well as having a very unpleasant experience with WB when he tried to turn his copies over to them through intermediaries.

by Anonymousreply 239February 11, 2020 10:57 AM

One thing I don’t understand — I’ve seen Ralph Waite mentioned as being in the film, but the only adults I remember seeing are Sandy’s mother’s boyfriend, and the sweet, shy Anibal the teens go on the disastrous blind date with — neither of which was Ralph Waite! I’ve seen “Last Summer” in VHS in the 80s, then in the 90s when the syndicated TV station I worked at aired in (I don’t remember the format) and then a couple of years ago uploaded to a rare film website. None featured Ralph Waite.

Makes one wonder how many versions are out there.

by Anonymousreply 240February 11, 2020 12:01 PM

She was very good in that “OLTL” clip.

by Anonymousreply 241February 11, 2020 1:51 PM

Did she end up writing for GL? She could have written the Reva drives off a bridge storyline.

by Anonymousreply 242February 11, 2020 1:54 PM

I don't think the parents are ever shown in the movie so I think the person talking about Ralph Waite has it mixed up.

by Anonymousreply 243February 11, 2020 2:11 PM

R242 That's what the obit said, but it's rare that those shows "buy" a script - they aren't episodic in nature like nighttime shows, so I'm not sure what that bit meant. Maybe they gave her a trial run writing dialogue or something.

by Anonymousreply 244February 11, 2020 2:26 PM

Maybe she created Tangie Hill and was blackballed from the industry?

by Anonymousreply 245February 11, 2020 2:50 PM

Burns would have made a fucking great Carrie. With Shelley Winters as the mother?

by Anonymousreply 246February 11, 2020 4:49 PM

And Debbie Reynolds as the gym teacher.

by Anonymousreply 247February 11, 2020 4:56 PM

Burns me up that she went off the Radar.

by Anonymousreply 248February 11, 2020 4:58 PM

IMDB and Wikipedia both say that Ralph Waite played "Peter's Father" but IMDB also says that that he was uncredited, so It was probably a bit part. I haven't seen the film since its original release and don't remember. As a horny teenager I went to see the dirty stuff but remember being quite affected by the end.

by Anonymousreply 249February 11, 2020 7:42 PM

Was there nudity?

by Anonymousreply 250February 11, 2020 8:12 PM

Flashes of Burns' boobs and the boys' butts during the rape scene is all I remember. I don't think there was ever any full frontal, even in the X rated version. It was the brutality of the rape scene that got the X.

by Anonymousreply 251February 11, 2020 10:37 PM

I wonder if she ever knew Delilah-Judith.

by Anonymousreply 252February 11, 2020 10:45 PM

I wonder if Delilah-Judith ever claimed to have played Blanche in STREETCAR.

by Anonymousreply 253February 11, 2020 10:47 PM

As horrific as fat shaming and not beautiful shaming is today .... imagine being poor her . Hated for everything on the outside cannot compete with mild acknowledgement in ones acting abilities .

SHAME is overpowering and it kills

by Anonymousreply 254February 11, 2020 11:04 PM

Mild acknowledgment?!?! She was nominated for an Oscar.

by Anonymousreply 255February 11, 2020 11:10 PM

She wasn't fat.

by Anonymousreply 256February 11, 2020 11:30 PM

R254 The way that Burns was treated was fucked up but I don't think her life was some monumental tragedy. She left the biz, married and became a writer. Apparently traveled quite a bit. I don't really see the massive fuss made over her looks, just looks like a typical character actress to me. I think critics back then were encouraged to engage in hyperbolic and exaggerated pile ons. The meaner the better.

by Anonymousreply 257February 11, 2020 11:32 PM

[quote]R251 Flashes of Burns' boobs and the boys' butts during the rape scene is all I remember.

Why does she rape them?

Seems rather extreme.

by Anonymousreply 258February 12, 2020 12:28 AM

I assume you are a humorist and not a troll, r258. The length and brutality of the rape scene were what got the original the then new X rating, including the psychological torment of Burns's character. The cuts that had to be made to get an R rating weren't that bad; Burns physical and psychological torment in the R rated version were still more than enough to make the point. I have also always thought that the film's excellent reviews influenced the decision to allow the change to an R rating with only minimal changes.

by Anonymousreply 259February 12, 2020 12:48 AM

Lens Dunham should remake this.

by Anonymousreply 260February 12, 2020 1:07 AM

I vaguely remember seeing "Last Summer" on tv long, long ago. Of course it was censored. But I can't remember...what happened to Rhoda after she'd been raped? Did they seriously injure her and leave her for dead? I always wondered what happened to the poor girl.

by Anonymousreply 261February 12, 2020 1:09 AM

The Sterile Cuckoo didn't know how good she had it.

by Anonymousreply 262February 12, 2020 1:11 AM

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by Anonymousreply 263February 12, 2020 1:25 AM

R261. I saw the PG rated version of the film that was shown on TV back in the '80s and/or '90s and it was so heavily edited that you'd never know she had been violently raped at the end. It was more like she'd fallen asleep near the beach and the the other three had to slap her a few times to wake her up. It made the overall plot incoherent which is why it was eventually withdrawn and hasn't been seen in years. Unlikely it will ever be again. Only the R rated wide release is currently available. The X rated and PG rated versions seem to have disappeared.

by Anonymousreply 264February 12, 2020 1:56 AM

As mentioned several times by various posters throughout the thread, the cuts made to get the film from the X rated original to the R rated wide release weren't enough to upset the quality of the film. But the PG rated TV version was an abomination.

by Anonymousreply 265February 12, 2020 2:16 AM

They shot the movie on Fire island except for the scene where Hershey, Davidson and Thomas go t to the movies. They filmed that in Bay Shore Long Island by the ferry to Fire Island. Being a movie nut kid I followed the production thru the newspaper Newsday that had a big write up on it. The Regent Theater was a neighborhood theater and I was thrilled they were making a movie there. Of course not old enough to see an R let alone an X it was years before I could actually see it. To boot UA owned two theaters in Bay Shore and for some stupid reason they opened the movie up the street at their other theater instead of the one they filmed at. Later thru teh years I got to meet them all except Cathy Burns.

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by Anonymousreply 266February 12, 2020 2:55 AM

What prompted them to rape her?

by Anonymousreply 267February 12, 2020 3:49 AM

R267 The phase of the moon, Rose.

by Anonymousreply 268February 12, 2020 4:13 AM

A few additional “Last Summer” factoids.: As indicated above, Sondra Locke mentioned in her autobiography that she was offered the role of Sandy in “Last Summer”, but turned it down. If memory serves, her agent turned down the role without consulting Locke, because her handlers were trying to steer her away from teen roles after “The Heart is a Lonely Hunter”

In David Carradine’s book, “Endless Highway”, he wrote that Barbara Hershey (his new girlfriend at the time) was originally offered the role of Rhoda, not Sandy. Carradine claimed that he urged Hershey to go for Sandy instead .

Another person who auditioned for the film was a pre-“Partridge Family” David Cassidy. Cannot remember if I read this info via Bruce Davison or via Cassidy himself.

The film is pretty faithful to Evan Hunter’s book, which was narrated by Peter (the Richard Thomas character). I seem to recall it was divided into two sections, the first titled “The Gull”, and the second “Rhoda”., which telegraphs a feeing of dread in the reader as the story proceeds, especially after what Sandy does to the gull! The Bruce Davison character was called Dan in the film, but David in the book. I think the book ends with Peter writing that they saw Rhoda a couple of more times that summer after the rape, hanging around a group of younger children. Peter, David and Sandy said hello or waved to Rhoda, and they couldn’t understand why she ignored them. (!!)

by Anonymousreply 269February 12, 2020 6:51 PM

Has anyone read the sequel to the book, "Come Winter?"

by Anonymousreply 270February 12, 2020 7:10 PM

During shooting, the seagull being used was killed when its neck was accidentally snapped. Barbara Hershey was so upset by the incident that she changed her name to Barbara Seagull for several years in its honor before finally going back to Hershey.

I'm not making this up. I assume Hershey, born Herzstein, was a flake.

by Anonymousreply 271February 13, 2020 5:51 AM

Hershey had a messy private life and was indeed considered eccentric and a "flake." Nonetheless, she was considered an excellent actress and received many nominations for and a few wins of major awards.

by Anonymousreply 272February 13, 2020 6:07 AM

She also felt extreme guilt over killing the bird. Not "flakey" for a lot of people.

by Anonymousreply 273February 13, 2020 9:32 AM

I was a kid when Barbara changed her last name to "Seagull," but I didn't know why. I had always assumed it had something to do with the book "Jonathan Livingston Seagull," which was very big at the time.

by Anonymousreply 274February 13, 2020 9:37 AM

Hershey changed her stage name back to the original after she left David Carradine, with whom she had a child in a multi-year and allegedly highly abusive relationship.

by Anonymousreply 275February 13, 2020 10:22 AM

Hershey changed her stage name back to the original after she left David Carradine, with whom she had a child in a multi-year and allegedly highly abusive relationship.

by Anonymousreply 276February 13, 2020 10:22 AM

Barbara Hershey also raised a lot of eyebrows during her pregnancy when she announced that she and David Carradine planned to eat the baby’s placenta.

THAT tidbit made the news, but little info on Catherine Burns!

by Anonymousreply 277February 13, 2020 1:54 PM

I don't know if this has been posted....

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by Anonymousreply 278February 16, 2020 2:02 AM

It has.

by Anonymousreply 279February 16, 2020 2:08 AM

Rex Reed was such a smug pretentious asshole. He got none of his Oscar predictions right. Even Cary Grant, who showed up to collect his honorary award. Wonder if he even picked wrong for best actor, which everyone knew in town was going to John Wayne.

by Anonymousreply 280February 16, 2020 2:14 AM

[quote]West Side Story, The Sound of Music, The Music Man, etc., etc., etc.

All three Broadway shows before films R208.

Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs. The Wizard of Oz. Meet Me in St. Louis, Garlands A Star is Born...

by Anonymousreply 281February 16, 2020 2:26 AM

r281 What's your point? They were still successful sound tracks well before the Streisand ASIB. (And they didn't have soundtrack albums when Snow White, Oz, or St. Louis were made.)

by Anonymousreply 282February 16, 2020 2:39 AM

[quote]He got none of his Oscar predictions right.

It happens

by Anonymousreply 283February 16, 2020 2:40 AM

[quote] What's your point? They were still successful sound tracks well before the Streisand ASIB. (And they didn't have soundtrack albums when Snow White, Oz, or St. Louis were made.)

Actually Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs soundtrack was issued as a 78rpm recording by RCA Victor records featuring the songs and dialog in 1938. And has many re-issues throughout the decades.

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by Anonymousreply 284February 16, 2020 3:39 AM

to tell you the truth I wasn't really watching that part about the soundtracks when I said aSIB wasn't t seemed like there didn't go back far in. history because of many youths who dont care about any thing before their time.At the time ASIB it was a monster hit soundtrack then even more so Saturday Night Fever, Grease (of course based on Broadway) and Bodyguard.

I also said they picked Eminem to perform hoping to appeal to the young I meant theyTHOUGHT he would.

by Anonymousreply 285February 16, 2020 4:57 AM

I think Barbara Hershey breast fed her son on the Dick Cavett show. She was VERY weird.

by Anonymousreply 286February 16, 2020 5:11 AM

She was a hippie. Her son was named Free (later Tom).

by Anonymousreply 287February 16, 2020 5:15 AM

She was also the one who gave Marty the Jesus book that was based on his movie.

by Anonymousreply 288February 16, 2020 10:39 AM

As did MMiSL, r282......

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by Anonymousreply 289February 16, 2020 2:29 PM

r284 r289 Those are NOT soundtracks. They are "selected songs." Soundtracks did not exist until the LP came about in the '50s.

by Anonymousreply 290February 16, 2020 2:45 PM

You really like to split hairs, don't you, r290?

by Anonymousreply 291February 16, 2020 2:52 PM

No, I like to be precise and accurate.

But you're probably one of those people who thing there's a "soundtrack" for "Hamilton."

by Anonymousreply 292February 16, 2020 2:54 PM

No, I'm not. And you're foolish to not consider those 78 sets as soundtrack recordings....because that's exactly what they are. Granted, not always. For example the originally released soundtrack of Show Boat had Ava's vocals.

by Anonymousreply 293February 16, 2020 3:06 PM

The called the 78 sets albums because they were an album. Like a photo album. That’s how the LP got the bane album.

by Anonymousreply 294February 16, 2020 3:10 PM

From Wikipedia:

[quote]The contraction soundtrack came into public consciousness with the advent of so-called "soundtrack albums" in the late 1940s. First conceived by movie companies as a promotional gimmick for new films, these commercially available recordings were labeled and advertised as "music from the original motion picture soundtrack", or "music from and inspired by the motion picture." These phrases were soon shortened to just "original motion picture soundtrack." More accurately, such recordings are made from a film's music track, because they usually consist of the isolated music from a film, not the composite (sound) track with dialogue and sound effects.

But I will agree with you that some of the multiple 78-rpm record sets like "Snow White" were soundtracks, even if that term was not in use at the time.

by Anonymousreply 295February 16, 2020 3:11 PM

I think the gatefold LPs would be considered an actual album, r294. Especially the ones with extra pages.

by Anonymousreply 296February 16, 2020 3:15 PM

Can we get back to me, please? I'm dead, after all.

by Anonymousreply 297February 16, 2020 3:19 PM

Well, it's a sure bet that YOU never appeared in a gatefold Cathy.

by Anonymousreply 298February 16, 2020 3:21 PM

She looked like mash-up of composer/actor/director Paul Williams, actress Michelle Williams with a touch Wendy from Wendy’s hamburgers.

by Anonymousreply 299February 16, 2020 3:34 PM

[quote]Those are NOT soundtracks. They are "selected songs." Soundtracks did not exist until the LP came about in the '50s.

The Snow White album included dialog and songs which is on the actual soundtrack of the film. WE win.

by Anonymousreply 300February 16, 2020 4:43 PM

R300: Ditto for "Lady and the Tramp?"

by Anonymousreply 301February 16, 2020 11:01 PM

I wonder what would have happened if her writing career on Guiding Light flourished, maybe the show could have been saved?

by Anonymousreply 302February 20, 2020 8:12 PM

Call me smug but I'm glad it was a young gay critic who recognized her talent and stood by her as deserving of the Oscar.

by Anonymousreply 303February 20, 2020 8:40 PM

Just about everything lthing Reed says in that clip is wrong except his praise for Cathy.

by Anonymousreply 304February 20, 2020 8:49 PM

Why did they vote for Hawn over her if it was such a great performance?

by Anonymousreply 305February 20, 2020 8:53 PM

R305 Hawk had that star quality. And Laugh In was big at the time, so that was free advertising for her. In Burns case, I think she came in last in the voting. The nomination was her reward. All the other nominees and Hawn, were in higher profile films that more Academy members saw.

by Anonymousreply 306February 20, 2020 10:31 PM

That's a good explanation. Thanks. ☺

by Anonymousreply 307February 20, 2020 10:59 PM

The trailer at R266 makes it look vile.

I guess it was sold as an exploitation film. Only a perv would watch the trailer and think, “Oh, I must go see THAT!”

by Anonymousreply 308February 20, 2020 11:26 PM

It's certainly not a happy film.

by Anonymousreply 309February 20, 2020 11:43 PM

Did all 3 rape her? And did they say why?

by Anonymousreply 310February 21, 2020 12:40 AM

It’s been a while since I’ve seen it, but if memory serves, in the movie, the Bruce Davison character rapes Catherine Burns while Richard Thomas and Barbara Hershey hold her down. In the novel, both boys rape Rhoda.

by Anonymousreply 311February 21, 2020 11:53 AM

Okay, in these trying times, it should be uplifting that I can offer a solid post-acting Catherine Burns update.

The talent agency she worked in for two years (where my actress friend was a client) was the Michael Thomas Agency, Inc. (305 Madison Ave., Suite 4419, New York, NY 10165.) My friend says Burns actually operates as an agent, though that’s a very specific position with legal technicalities and I imagine she was officially an assistant who did a lot. I think this was in the late 1980s.

The agent who eventually replaced Burns was named Roseanne Gates, so she’s someone who’d know more, if future generations want to dig.

by Anonymousreply 312March 22, 2020 5:06 PM

OPERATED as an agent.... not “operates”.

(Signed) r312

by Anonymousreply 313March 22, 2020 5:08 PM

She has so much talent.

by Anonymousreply 314March 22, 2020 9:42 PM

She's DEAD, so she doesn't HAVE anything.

by Anonymousreply 315March 23, 2020 3:16 AM

Well, she has immortality on THIS, at least.

by Anonymousreply 316March 30, 2020 9:31 PM

She looks like Eve Plumb.

by Anonymousreply 317March 30, 2020 9:57 PM

MeTV just showed her "Adam 12" the other day. She really was a great actress.

by Anonymousreply 318March 30, 2020 9:59 PM

She is a DL ICON!

by Anonymousreply 319March 30, 2020 11:49 PM

Really wish “Last Summer” and “Red Sky at Morning” were more readily available to watch.

by Anonymousreply 320March 31, 2020 11:56 AM

r317=Maureen McCormick

by Anonymousreply 321March 31, 2020 2:20 PM

Wonderful deep dive into X-rated version of Last Summer.

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by Anonymousreply 322June 16, 2020 9:07 PM

I just saw her on a Me-TV airing of "Adam-12"

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by Anonymousreply 323July 28, 2020 1:00 AM

[quote]She wasn't fat.

She was emaciated.

by Anonymousreply 324July 28, 2020 9:36 AM
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