Should Trans People Disclose That They’re Trans?

Should they disclose it? Bitch, it's all they talk about!

YES!

No, should Meghan disclose she's not a white? Should Pete Buttplug disclose he's not a fudgepacker

I have no idea why people like r3 are on DL.

R3: Not the same thing! And what's with your homophobic insult "fudgepacker"! Seriously, fuck off with your homophobic shit! You are most likely that type of tranny who doesn't disclose they are trans!

Absolutely they must disclose. Absolutely. But if they wanna keep playing deception, watch their murder rates rise.

Depends. To their doctor or to the bus driver?

R6: Exactly!! This has already happened actually, where trans who could "pass" didn't bother disclosing they were trans because they get off on deception, and when the other party found out last minute; some cases ended in murder from the outrage of being deceived.

If they're MTF they don't really have to, 99% of the time it's pretty obvious.

I don't really care if they do because I've never seen a trans person I haven't been able to identify as trans through visual clues. Doesn't matter to me, passing is a myth. There's always at least two dead giveaways that can tell you if a person is trans or not.

The only people that can't tell if another person is trans are idiots who wouldn't be able to see a red flag if you lit it on fire and waved it in front of their face and trans people themselves.

R9, R10, R11: I absolutely agree with you all! But, some of the FTM seem to be able to deceive better, because some of them look like men on the outside. It's scary. And how are they able to grow facial hair that connects evenly like a man, when some of us actual males can't grow facial hair??

I think the only time that trans need to disclose they are trans is when they are going to have sex with someone.

Some people would not like to have sex with a trans and they really should disclose that out of respect that some people would like to know and really have a right to know. I appreciate how awkward it could be but if the person finds out later and aren't happy there could be awful consequences.

But aside from that I don't think there is any other reason apart from doctors depending on the actual health issue.

But if trans women are women, why should they disclose before having sex?

[quote]Doesn't matter to me, passing is a myth. There's always at least two dead giveaways that can tell you if a person is trans or not.

This is truth. Some are able to imitate better than others, of course, but the signs are always there if you know what they are. Whether or not they're able to pass depends on the sophistication level of those looking at them, not on the seamlessness of their 'transition'. And the same goes for people of mixed-race, etc. There are always tells.

That's fine, R13, but then if a relationship gets to that point and the person leaves because a "fronthole" or "girldick" wasn't what he or she had in mind, there's no insane screeching at the white cat that was sitting at the table the whole time.

R14 Because some straight guys may not want to have sex with a woman who was once a man. Furthermore if they found out later some men may react really badly and beat up the trans. When it comes to sex people need to be upfront about a number of things.

Yes! I like my parts intact

It's deception of the most intimate kind and it's wrong.

Trans people have no problem lying to themselves so why would they mind lying to others?

You see a disproportionate amount of trans on Grindr and other sex apps so it's clearly all part of a sexual fetish for them - they want to be able to get whoever.

I feel no sympathy for the people that end up accidentally fucking a trans person. If you're that close to a trans person and you still can't tell it's a chick with a dick or a dude with a pussy then you're beyond help.

Only to the stupid, the blind, and the ones who are headless.

I get why some trans people would rather not disclose it but the reality is a trans person has gone through such a huge life changing event that not disclosing it with a partner is not exactly a right thing to do. Since a sex change can't totally turn a body into opposite sex it takes some maintaining and hiding that from a partner would probably be quite taxing. Hiding is lying and that's never a healthy basis for a relationship.

That said I'm not into policing other people's lives and it's up to people themselves what they do. However I get if a man gets angry for being deceived. The reality is, though, that not all straight men mind dating a trans woman. Some might even enjoy being with a former bro since they know she knows something about being a man.

Men are complex creatures and I've met enough Kinsey 1 ones to know men are not as rigid as some people want to believe. I've also had totally straight guys as friends and me being gay was never a problem. It's obviously up to each person how they take things but not all men would explode knowing they are dating a trans girl. I have a feeling for many the biggest problem would be other people knowing they are dating a trans woman. Then there's obviously the reality of not being able to get pregnant.

If a trans woman won't let go of her dick then she'll be a trans person forever and passing as a complete woman is really not an option. However since the procedures are not perfect and it's currently impossible to turn a dick into a totally feeling and working pussy I get why some trans people refuse to cut it off. It's a complex situation all around but then again life is never easy. Some men don't mind being with chicks with dicks and some totally love it.

Very few trannies have actually had the surgery. Insurance will pay but only after intense psych screenings.

Most can't pass.

As soon as the dress comes off, there's your disclosure.

Often with a really bad result.

R20: AGREED. Someone would have to be literally blind or extremely intellectually challenged, to end up being tricked into having sex with a transwoman or transman. Or, the person wanted it to happen!

[quote]Some people would not like to have sex with a trans

Bigots

Yeah, just like gay men are misogynists for not wanting to have sex with women r25.

What's to disclose? Don't we have a built-in "radar detector"?

R26, gay men don’t want to have sex with women and that’s fine. This isn’t the issue here. No women wants to have sex with them either. Transmen are men though.

R28 What they identify as doesn't matter, what matters is the vagina or frankencock between their legs. You can look and act as masculine as you want, but in the bedroom what's between your legs is all that matters. And what's between their legs isn't male.

R29, what about a mtf with a pussy?

R30 If they've already switched their genitals it could go either way. Personally, I don't think about it much because hooking up with trannies isn't my cup of tea, but to each their own.

But should they disclose to others before fucking?

MTFs don’t have a “pussy”. They have an open surgical wound that probably smells like road kill.

Should trans people disclose - depending on the situation. For housing or jobs, of course not. They don't need to disclose any more than someone who is gay or lesbian needs to disclose.

However, sex and all intimate relationships require informed consent or it's rape. Where some people are going to become unglued is that KNOWINGLY withholding HIV status would also deny a partner the opportunity to provide informed consent to a relationship.

If you withhold information that a person could reasonably guess would alter the other person's decision to have sex (or a relationship), you remove informed consent. We get into some very grey areas. Would not telling someone you're married when you know that the other person would not consent be a form of sex under false pretenses?

So, goose meet gander.

R29: Exactly! I'd also like to add, that as a homosexual male, I would never be sexual with a transwoman either!

R30: It's not a vagina. It's an open wound. And even if they made it look like a vagina etc, I still wouldn't fuck it! I'm not attracted to men trying to look like females, vagina, or a fake vagina! I'm a homosexual male attracted to biological men with cock, balls, and prostates who are also homosexual, have no intentions of trying to look like a female/become a transwoman, or have their cock and balls inverted into a fake vagina!

R35, you have all of this backwards. Transwomen don’t want to fuck gay men. All that shrieking for nothing.

[quote] Absolutely they must disclose. Absolutely. But if they wanna keep playing deception, watch their murder rates rise.

Almost zero of the trans murders were due to not disclosing their bio sex. They’re killed for being prostitutes, yes, but their johns know what they’re getting. Most are killed in drug deals, robberies, and domestic violence disputes.

Of the trans murders in 2018, not one was killed because they were trans and in the last three years not a single case where there has been an arrest has had hate crime charges added, which DAs offices in most states could do if the victims were killed for being trans.

R36: Transwomen and transmen have been added into "gay porn", so clearly they do want to force themselves onto gay men. But the "gay men" who agree to it, like Jack Hunter, clearly aren't gay, but actually bisexual!

No, just leave it to " luck of the draw ---- string!"

Every single trans person I have met (save one) could not pass, not even close.

However there was one who transitioned in the 70's. I met her in 2000, knew her for two years and had no idea.

I think it was because after the initial surgery she left it alone, aged naturally and looked human. NO hint of tranny voice, adam's apple or masculine walk.

As someone said above, it is dishonest. If they really dont want to live a lie, then be honest.

Unfortunately, they have this fantasy that they will be the one to bring the straight one over and ignore all of that.

Life of delusion. Mtfs using tampons. Ftms ignoring their periods.

Do they ever think of this before they transition? Or do they think they can change society where men will hold them as equal to women?

Yes, of course, if it's supposed to be an encounter with informed consent!

You know, there were times (a few years back) when this question was an absolute no-brainer, but of course trans people don't like to take responsibility for anything (it's on everyone else to accommodate them and validate their identity issues instead), so they act as if this was a legitimate question.

Also, this way, they set themselves up for negative reactions, can uphold their claim to victimhood, and can put all the blame on the other person (i.e., "evil, disgusting transphobe").

It's toxic, and it should be called out as such..

Who really cares?

“Hi. I’m a transgendered person.”

“This is an Arby’s. Will you be ordering today?”

Only if it's for medical services (IF sex has an effect on treatment outcomes) or for interactions that are likely to lead to fucking.

Should water tell people it's wet?

I think there is an amusing level of over-estimation in the trans community about the percentage of "passing" that actually goes on.

R43, certain DL posters, and right-wing GOP Nazis, care an awful lot, like a weirdly large amount.

I think they should disclose it for their own safety.

It seems like you are putting yourself in a very dangerous situation otherwise.

I don't care if they do or not, either way they ain't fooling anybody, so it's not like it matters.

Sometimes, it's hard to be a woman.

I use to think Janet Mock could pass. As she has aged she passes less.

R28 Trans men are females who think they're males, and male homoSEXuals is not into females, dumbass. Thankfully, people like you is a very tiny minority in DL. (And I hope in the world too)

"I think there is an amusing level of over-estimation in the trans community about the percentage of 'passing' that actually goes on."

Rachel McKinnon-- oh, sorry, DR. VERONICA IVY-- posts offhand comments on Twitter that are like, "...but then, I have passing privilege," and "...this girl at the bar was AMAZED when I told her I was a trans woman!"

I mean..................!

Well, that would depend on the context.

If you're about to have sex then yes, the polite and thoughtful thing to do is to disclose.

If taking your drinks order, then no. Not required.