Hillary Clinton on Bernie Sanders: 'Nobody likes him'

More. She's so fucking wise.

Fuck her. I’m no Bernie fan (Warren fan here) but he would’ve won against Trump. This country wanted a “non DC” white male and Bernie could’ve been that.

We lost cause deluded rich white females are used to getting things handed to them. White women want respect but they don’t even respect each other. Every group of females votes for Clinton except white women. White women are fucking delusional.

The amount of self-delusion and sheer stupidity at R2 is palpable.

[quote]but he would’ve won against Trump

He's literally a socialist so no, dear, he would not have won in those swing states.

r3 I know. Imagine thinking Bernie, who is basically D.C. furniture at this point, is a "non-D.C. white male." 🤦‍♂️

[quote]Fuck her. I’m no Bernie fan (Warren fan here) but he would’ve won against Trump.

No, he would not have. I say this all the time and will say it again: Bernie couldn't get elected dogcatcher out here in California, the most progressive state. Not then, not now, not ever. So if CA doesn't want him, how in the fucking fuck do you think he could have taken the swing states in enough numbers to beat back Trump?

So sick of Berniebro delusion, which has now spilled over onto Warren.

R2, I'm wondering what your age is. Fifteen, right?

I LOVE HILLARY NOW!!!!

If a center to slightly center-left candidate like HRC couldn't win against Trump, who won in part because of backlash against the alleged "liberalism" of Obama, then there is no way in hell a Jewish socialist would have won against him.

Besides, Bernie didn't win against HRC, how could he have won against Trump?

What's she is saying is NOT new btw. Ralph Nader--Bernie 1.0--even wrote him a letter calling him too ideological. Can you imagine that?? RALPH NADER, the man who basically caused Bush to win in 2000, saying that? He's not even hypocritical for saying so. Even compared to Nader, Bernie is extreme. Barney Frank and others have said exactly what Nader and Hillary have said--he is impossible to work with and he does not get anything done.

Hill knows a Russian asset when she sees one.

Hillary sounds like she's still bitter.

The left is in total disarray. 2020 will be a blowout for the Republican Party. Not just electoral votes but also popular vote. Only Biden has a slim chance of pulling off a thin electoral college victory and the numbers are against him. National popularity polls are meaningless. Only state polls count.

World on Hillary Clinton: No one likes you.

That was the phrase the Bros used against her constantly in ‘16. So she might be saying it a little tongue & cheek.

Except she gave it back in PG form!

There was a video released a day or two ago where Sanders was being rude to a bunch of journalists, going on about how he's not the kind of guy to waste time wishing others a happy birthday and stuff like that, and his fans ate it up. But he just comes across as nasty and rude.

^ The Great CUNT Offensive*

For those who think Bernie would have won--if you don't remember, he was DESTROYED in the south, where Hillary won in large margins against him. Stop trying to rewrite history.

Between her and Zephyr Teachout, there is something so utterly contemptuous about white women. Just shut up already, white women.

There is something completely irredeemable and stupid about hardcore Bernie fans. Just fall into a volcano already, hardcore Bernie supporters.

R20 Zephyr IS a hardcore Bernie fan. I'm an equal opportunity anti-white misogynist.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha (pause for breath) hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha .....

[quote]World on Hillary Clinton: No one likes you.

And I have exactly zero fucks to give.

I have a relative who's a senator, and they confirm what Hillary is saying. Sanders is probably the least popular member of the Senate (with the exception off Cruz) and has done little if nothing during his tenure, mostly because he refuses to cooperate with other senators. And, my relative says, he is lazy beyond belief.

I like a great deal of what he is saying now, and think he has been invaluable in moving the other candidates to the left but no, he shouldn't be president. He'll rant and rave but like many others, he won't understand how to get anything done, because he won't care. He just likes to rant and rave.

She's her own worse enemy.

[quote] Sanders is probably the least popular member of the Senate (with the exception off Cruz) and has done little if nothing during his tenure, mostly because he refuses to cooperate with other senators. And, my relative says, he is lazy beyond belief.

Harry Truman said the most important work in the senate is done in committee, not on the floor. If that's the case, it makes me think people like Bernie are just massive attention whores, people who like to make sound bytes and slogans when the media is there but refuse to do the work when that is needed in committee. Bernie is someone who just loves to piggyback off the hard work of others and claim he's fighting "the good fight". People like Nancy Pelosi have been busting their asses for decades to pass legislation and this old geezer and his granddaughter AOC act like they are so above "those democrats". Fuck them both.

[quote] Sanders was being rude to a bunch of journalists, going on about how he's not the kind of guy to waste time wishing others a happy birthday and stuff like that, and his fans ate it up.

"Bernie tells it like it is!"

His most ardent supporters unnerve me as much as Trump's do.

I've always liked Bernie -- I've been listening to him for years on Thom Hartmann's radio show and I think he says all the right things on issues that need to be front and center in America. But he has accomplished nothing in his many years in Congress and he is disliked by colleagues on both sides of the aisle. I can't imagine a Sanders presidency would accomplish anything substantive.

The democratic party seems to be falling apart. What does it mean when a stapler-chucking hatchet-faced cunt boss seems the most capable candidate?

R27, this is what his fans don't understand. In order to get shit done, you NEED to have a strong relationship with congress. Without that, it will be an embarrassing shit show. Can you just imagine how little LBJ would have accomplished if he had no relationship with congress? His experience there and the network he built there was crucial to his bills getting passed. And if Obama was not well-liked by Democrats in congress, he would NOT have been able to get the AHA passed. Some idiot Bernie fans claim that Bernie will submit bills that are really, really left-wing and then congress will meet him halfway. They are morons. That's not how congress works. Congress wouldn't be at the mercy of Bernie--it would be the opposite. Congress would immediately laugh at his bills and reject them. As they should.

His supporters don't understand that you cannot pass legislation via twitter trends, on-line harassment or whining. Which is known MO. So, of course, they believe that lazy fuck Sanders will manage to push his every thought through both the House and the Senate with absolutely no problem.

winning!

[quote] His supporters don't understand that you cannot pass legislation via twitter trends, on-line harassment or whining

Wait...you're telling me there's life beyond the internet? WHAT!?!

Good post, R29. Don't get me wrong, I loved Obama, but he didn't have good relationships with the Democratic members of congress. I'm not saying he was like Trump or Bernie, but Obama didn't call people or maintain the one-on-one relationships that are mandatory in order to make it all work - BIDEN did that. Lucky he/we had Biden.

Bernie Bros remind me of first time voters who have no idea how things work in Washington. This mob mentality, that applies to Trump too of course, is bad for the party and for the country.

R33, my bad--you are correct. That is why I do really like Biden. It isn't discussed enough, but Biden is often pragmatic in the best ways. At first, he wasn't sure about the possibility of getting the AHA passed but he was sold on it and he hustled to make sure the Dems in congress voted for it. That's the kind of person we need either as President or VP.

Hillary is certainly not helping matters.

She's more than likely correct, but probably should not get involved at this point.

Oh, thank you Hillary. Everyone likes and respects you.

Hillary is right. No way in hell Bernie gets to be President. Sure he has great ideas but he's a zillion years old and just had a heart attack.

Let's be realistic here.

Nobody likes you bitch

Does Hillary ever have anything positive or supportive to say about anyone?

[quote]"He was in Congress for years. He had one senator support him. Nobody likes him, nobody wants to work with him, he got nothing done. He was a career politician. It's all just baloney and I feel so bad that people got sucked into it.”

Bernie has been in congress since 1991 - almost 30 YEARS. And what has he gotten done - nothing.

He would not have won against cheeto. More pointedly, his lackluster endorsement and support after losing the nomination probably helped cheeto win along with the idiot bernbros who didn't vote.

He is not the great savior of the country, democracy, or anything else. He's a career politician who saw his chance and is taking it.

Because we don't live in a parliamentary republic, our democracy was always bound to reach this impasse where populist figureheads keep alternating in the White House.

[quote]Can you just imagine how little LBJ would have accomplished if he had no relationship with congress? His experience there and the network he built there was crucial to his bills getting passed.

And the only reason LBJ became President was because HIS POPULIST BOSS WAS ASSASSINATED! Can you name even one Presidential candidate who has won an election by saying, "Oh, I've been in Congress for years and can get things done?" Look at who wins elections!

Reagan - never served in legislature

George HW Bush - 2 terms as US Rep 20 years before Presidential election

Clinton - never served in legislature

W Bush - never served in legislature

Obama - four years in Senate

Trump - never served in office!

"She's more than likely correct, but probably should not get involved at this point."

Payback for his shitty behavior in 2016. He deserves this and I hope he doesn't get the nomination.

Regardless of a candidate's lack of actual experience in congress or not, having a good relationship with congress is crucial. This is why Obama managed to get at least some things passed in congress when the Dems were in control--Biden had his back and had the connections and relationship with congressional Dems to get stuff passed. I know Clinton had Gore who had like 26 years in congress. Bernie is so disliked by the Dems, he would not be able to get a single thing passed. Nothing he would do would make any difference at all. It wouldn't even matter who his VP was, that's how disliked he is.

It’s well known that people only tolerated Bernie in Congress but didn’t like him. He was famous for refusing to vote for bills that weren’t exactly what he wanted in every way. If there was one compromise, he refused to vote for the entire bill.

Ted Kennedy was a big believer in incrementalism, and he accomplished a lot. The difference was, Kennedy prioritized helping the poor over “winning.” So he accomplished a lot. Bernie has to “defeat his adversaries,” so he accomplishes nothing.

Kennedy passed many bills about healthcare, while Bernie just talked about it. Bernie has never passed a single bill about healthcare for the general public. Not one.

Bernie passed seven bills over his career. Seven. That’s not a successful legislator. Being a loudmouth isn’t going to fix Trump’s mess. He is all hat and no cattle.

Here’s the difference between Bernie and a successful senator. Ted Kennedy was a Senator for 47 years.

“Senator Kennedy has authored more than 2,500 bills throughout his career in the United States Senate. Of those bills, several hundred have become Public Law. [115 were bills he was the primary sponsor for, the others he was the co-sponsor]. Below is a sample of some of those laws.

“*Note: For bills introduced prior to 1973, Senate records do not list cosponsors. From 1973 to 2009, 552 items cosponsored by Senator Kennedy became Public Law.“

Kennedy passed the Americans with Disabilities Act, the Family Medical Leave Act. He was the chief sponsor of the 1982 Voting Rights Act Amendments, which sought increased minority representation in government, and the Civil Rights Acts of 1991, which strengthened protections against employer discrimination. He also played an active role in establishing a national holiday honoring Martin Luther King, Jr.

Children's Health Insurance Program, which helps states insure low-income young people; the Women, Infants and Children nutritional program (WIC), Ryan White CARE Act, which funds treatment for under-insured HIV/AIDS patients. The COBRA Act.

Kennedy also had a pivotal role in passing the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act of 2009, which expands the statue of limitations on equal-pay lawsuits.

Kennedy worked with everyone including Republicans to get bills passed. He kept trying and didn’t put his ego ahead of a bill. That’s why he accomplished so much.

That is someone that actually helped people, not just talked about how they would like to help people if only he were king and everyone did exactly as he said. Everything he did was a result of working with others. Everything.

Bernie refuses to do that and that’s why he has no legislative accomplishments. He’s tooted his own horn until ignorant young people think he’s some great master of the Senate; in reality he’s incompetent. He blames others for his own lack of ability. While he was making excuses, others made the accomplishments.

R45, it's all about Bernie. Nobody else matter's to Bernie but Bernie. My favorite quote from the Hillary interview btw:

[quote] If he gets the nomination, will you endorse and campaign for him?

[quote] I'm not going to go there yet. We're still in a very vigorous primary season. I will say, however, that it's not only him, it's the culture around him. It's his leadership team. It's his prominent supporters. It's his online Bernie Bros and their relentless attacks on lots of his competitors, particularly the women. And I really hope people are paying attention to that because it should be worrisome that he has permitted this culture — not only permitted, [he] seems to really be very much supporting it. And I don't think we want to go down that road again where you campaign by insult and attack and maybe you try to get some distance from it, but you either don't know what your campaign and supporters are doing or you're just giving them a wink and you want them to go after Kamala [Harris] or after Elizabeth [Warren]. I think that that's a pattern that people should take into account when they make their decisions.

A large part of Bernie's appeal to these numbsculls is that he isn't slick - he's messy, he's old, he's Jewish - an anti hero. Lots of people don't read the fine print on ANY candidate. So don't expect them to understand any of the perceptive comments in this thread. In 2016, I was talking to a professional person, also a Republican, who liked Trump because he was saying "the right things." Not many dive deeper, unfortunately.

[quote]Hillary sounds like she's still bitter.

Bitter? Bitter from losing (even if she won) an election to a charmless buffoon who launched the nation into its most desperate time? From her gift of hindsight and lack of foresight? Fom being married and having to stay married to Bill Clinton? From the tick of Time's clock against her plans? From the stubbornness of others not to share her view that she is the sharpest pencil in any room? From having amassed almost a quarter of a billion dollars with her husband and taking no pleasure in it? No, not bitter at all.

They only way we can actually make substantial legislative progress is to change our outdated, slave-era legislative body. Until that happens, the US will continue to elect figureheads "who say the right things" as R47 perceptively points out.

Clinton could enter the race tomorrow and would probably win the nomination. These democratic candidates are all very uninspiring - including asshole Bernie.

😂 She roasted him.

I love this new, unfiltered Hillary.

Just tell it like it is, girl. You have nothing to lose!

She always used to be so guarded with her words, but she has come to realize that there's no point to it any more.

With dump in office, it's a different world.

[quote] World on Hillary Clinton: No one likes you.

I'm starting to realize that there are a lot of Boris-bots on this thread, posting from Russia.

You can tell, because their grammar isn't correct, and neither are their "facts."

Hillary Clinton is BELOVED around the world, and easily one of the world's most admired women.

Not only in the U.S., mind you, but in THE WORLD.

Putin no doubt hates her, because she made him look like an absolute FOOL. Which he is.

They may not like her, R37, but they're fearful of her. The Republicans now she's smarter than most of them, and they definitely know she has more balls than the entire Republican party together, which is why they fear her so.

[quote] Putin no doubt hates her, because she made him look like an absolute FOOL. Which he is.

If Hillary scares Putin--the world leader who easily terrifies me more than all others--it makes me even more regretful that she lost in 2016.

Nothing materially is at stake for Hillary if Trump wins again.

She’s disgusting.

"These democratic candidates are all very uninspiring"

Do you not understand that voting is HIRING someone for a job? And that the presidency is the biggest CEO job in the world? I will never get over these idiots who need a candidate to be "inspiring" before competent. And in 2020, ANY Democrat in the race is worth getting off your fat ass and voting for - inspiring or not.

Bernie is always bragging about how he went to that one civil rights march in the 1960s that one time. So did a lot of other people who never got into political office in their lives. And Bernie has the exact same number of civil rights bills passed as all those non-politician demonstrators he demonstrated with : zero. That’s right, Bernie has passed ZERO civil rights bills.

ZERO women’s rights bills

ZERO voting rights bills

ZERO college assistance bills

ZERO bills helping lower health care costs

ZERO bills helping uninsured get access to healthcare

Over his ENTIRE CAREER.

She hates Bernie because he pulled her to the left during the 2016 primary and exposed her lack of a political core. Bernie is consistent and authentic. Clinton is a chameleon and only won the nomination with the connivance of the DNC. He and Warren have a vision for America and everyone else is in the thrall of consultants and pollsters.

Fuck off, troll R56.

R58, if someone constantly brings up the tired argument of Bernie marching for civil rights, you should reply "so did Mitch McConnell. I love him so much!" (sarcastically). Because Mitch McConnell did something 50+ years ago, let's ALL support him. This is what Bernie fans are arguing.

Fuck you r60. If Sanders wins the nomination (he won’t) she isn’t sure she’ll support him - that means she would support by default Trump instead of him. It reveals her as the height of pettiness and bitterness and shows how much she is out for herself and not the country.

Fuck Hillary for saying this.

R57 If people need to be inspired to follow and vote for a candidate, it is their business. Just because you're an old fart who is fine with mildly competent candidates doesn't mean the rest of us also has to, you fucking idiot.

Liz is going to be our greatest president yet.

[quote] If Hillary scares Putin--the world leader who easily terrifies me more than all others--it makes me even more regretful that she lost in 2016.

The biggest reason that Putin interfered in our 2016 election, was because of his hatred for Hillary.

He blamed her for the Russian uprisings against him, in 2011-2013. She was Secretary of State at the time, and was questioning the validity of his election.

His government nearly got toppled, and he was pissed at her.

So when she announced her bid to run for president again in 2016, he began is campaign to hack our election and spread propaganda about her. He probably even convinced trump to run.

Racial division, class warfare, economic warfare, running sleeper candidates like Tulsi Gabbard, online trolling, misinformation and disinformation campaigns, hacking, etc.

These were and still are the tactics being used by him and his little minions who sit in their Russian TROLL FARMS, and make any and all attempts to bring down the Western world.

And don't think for one second that his trolls can't find and infect Datalounge. They seek out liberal and progressive discussion boards like Datalounge, as well as some on reddit and other places, for the sole purpose of spreading lies about Democratic candidates.

Be wary.

[quote]If Sanders wins the nomination (he won’t) she isn’t sure she’ll support him - that means she would support by default Trump instead of him. It reveals her as the height of pettiness and bitterness and shows how much she is out for herself and not the country.

She said "I'm not going to go there yet."

She didn't rule it out, you big troll baby.

And do any BernieBros want her to campaign for him anyway? They hate her. They don't want her anywhere near him.

Rawness of her comments point to their validity.

The Right Wing doesn't have a monopoly on cult -like devotion to a single person.

Bernie consistently puts his ego ahead of accomplishing anything for the American people.

Seven bills passed in his career:

Naming three post offices

A bill to co-operatively maintain water systems between Vermont and New Hampshire

Enlarging a Vermont National Forest. No one argued with this in any way.

Changing “he” to unisex descriptions on the veteran’s charter

A bill to raise the cost of living for veterans, which was a routine thing, but had been delayed a couple of years and had to be renewed as a formality. It passed unanimously, with no disagreement of any kind from any person in any party.

Explain how any of these improved your standard of living, or could not have been done without Bernie. Or how any of these displays his ability to fight for the poor, the uninsured, college students, or anyone else.

This guy has done nothing hard, has fought for nobody. He just talks about how he would like to if only he wasn’t so incompetent, uncooperative and lazy. I’m sure that’s going to help a lot as the country is falling down around our ears after Trump. “I’d sure like to help you, *if only I could do it without having to compromise with anyone.*”

R66 she’s being deliberately decisive in refusing to say she’ll support him because she is embittered by her own failure which got us in the mess we are today.

Her campaigning failures in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania are not Bernie’s fault.

R65, ever since 2016, I keep my guard up for Russian trolls. There was some survey recently where people said Donald Trump was the greatest threat to world peace. Putin was like fourth on that list, behind (I think) north Korea and another country. I find Putin far scarier than Trump. Putin is clearly using Trump to do his dirty work. Putin seems like someone who has 0 emotion and would chop someone into little pieces if they got in his way. He is someone who will continue to meddle with the west for a long time.

R67, populism in any form is bad. And populism can take many forms. Hillary is so right in pointing out Bernie's cult of personality.

R65, that’s just ignorant. Putin also interfered in the Ukrainian election and it’s believed the British Brexit election. He’s also tried to interfere in France and other countries. You think he did that because of Hillary?

He just dissolved his own government to consolidate power for himself only. He’s done everything but declare himself king. You think he did that because of Hillary?

Quit blaming Hillary for every damn thing that happens. He bribed Trump to be his toady. That’s why he wanted Trump. That, and he couldn’t bribe Hillary.

If you’re Russian and believe Hillary is responsible for Putin trying to take over the world, I feel sorry for you. If you’re American, you’re a Putin-loving traitor.

I agree, R67.

It's that same hard-headedness that contributes to DUMP getting elected in 2016. This blind devotion to a candidate - be it Bernie, or Warren, or Biden, or whoever.

Then when their candidate doesn't win the nomination, they refuse to support the nominee. Which leads to more DUMP.

I don't understand why people are so short-sighted, and refuse to see the big picture.

Republicans ALWAYS support their nominee, even if they hate him. No matter how vile, or evil, or corrupt he is. NOBODY LIKED TRUMP. But they swallowed their bitterness, and voted for him.

And now, even his most vocal critics have become blindly loyal to him: McConnell, Graham, Ted Cruz, etc. And the ones who could no longer stomach him, have quit: Paul Ryan, Jeff Flake, etc.

Why do they blindly support him? FOR POWER. Power over government, power over the courts, power over everything. If they support DUMP, then his voters will support them. See how it works?

No, Democrats do NOT see how it works. So we keep fighting with each other, and trashing the other candidates, so that when the election rolls around, there is not enough support for the nominee. And DUMP wins again.

GET YOUR FUCKING ACT TOGETHER, DEMOCRATS!!!!!!

She suffered the most humiliating loss of all time. People voted for a game show host who bragged about sexual assault because they hated her that much. I’ve never seen a more bitter woman.

R71, I don't think they were blaming Hillary. It looks like they were saying Putin found HIllary very threatening and had a lot of animosity towards her. He obviously didn't do everything because of Hillary. But he hated her.

Who are these Russians ( or Trump staffers) posting canned, lengthy misspelled diatribes about Senator Sanders?, Two months ago they were posting canned lengthy misspelled diatribes about Vice President Joe Biden.

Do your fucking research, R71!!!!

There are a MULTITUDE of reports out there, linking Russian interference to Putin's hatred for Hillary.

SHUT YOUR FUCKING MOUTH IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT!

I can't stand Bernie's supporters, i hate them

R74, So what? Does Putin have to love every American President? Do you think Soviet Union Presidents loved American Presidents during the Cold War? They did not.

Putin hates Hillary not because she was bad or incompetent, but because she had his number. That may be bad for Putin but it’s good for America. Putin hates dissent of any kind, and that’s why he loves Trump. Not because he’s good for America.

We don’t work for Putin, or owe him anything, but if we lose this next election, we will.

Here more information for R71's uneducated ass.

But actually, it's a must read for all of us.

Don't underestimate the Russian trolls.

They are fucking ALL OVER the internet, and get paid by the Russian government to sow chaos in the Western world.

Further proves the point that a lot of neolibs would rather have trump than Bernie. She won’t commit to support him if he’s the nominee? Hasn’t she been crying for three years that he didn’t support her enough? (Meanwhile he did over 40 events for her). There’s a very real possibility that Sanders will be the nominee. Vote blue no matter who, huh? What a horrible woman.

Its true about Republicans supporting whoever their candidate is, but thats because they are generally lmuch less ethical and moral and power hungry than many (not all) Democrats, who actually have a concience.

Its a dilemma because they are less civil, and therefore willing to compromise themselves and the truth and rely on dishonesty and underhanded tactics. Its hard to compete on the same playing field with those who play dirty, but Dems playing dirty would undermine their entire point. Its not such an easy road to navigate, not so easy as to just say get your shit together democrats.

Sounds like some “Bernie supporters” on here are Putin or Trump supporters. It’s the exact same thing really. A vote for Bernie or Trump is a vote for Putin.

R78, you're saying something both I and R65 agree with. We are saying Putin hated Hillary and that was part of his motivation for doing all the things he has done since at least 2016. We like that Putin hates her. Hillary is awesome. What we DON'T like is Putin meddling in our elections because of this and him propping up Trump.

Of course she will reluctantly support Bernie as the nominee, but shes not commiting to that yet because she wants people to think very carefully about making the terrible mistake of supporting him so that he doesnt become the nominee.

Okay, I'm really not understanding what R71/R74 is going on about. He said "You think he did that because of Hillary?" and when people replied no, of course not, he said "So what?"

What's the point you're trying to make, R71?

R77 Same here, on Twitter his supporters are even more aggressive and violent than the Trump supporters, they are crazy

Obviously, R84, but our resident high-strung Bernie lover thinks that Hillary supports Trump and hates America.

[quote] They seek out liberal and progressive discussion boards like Datalounge

Lol, R65, DL Fave Andy Cohen publicly slammed DL: "there is no crueler place than that VILE pit of trollery".

And according to others, DL is a "racist cesspool" full of septuagenarians who will soon meet the Maker.

Flyovers. Will. Not. Vote. For. A. Jew.

You have no idea of the anti-Semitism between the coasts. Hillbillies think Jews are behind all their woes.

Hillary is so bitter, so filled with hate!

She is bitter and self-deluded and arrogant and totally right about Bernie.

Yes, we all know that Andy Cohen's opinion on Datalounge is the gold standard of truth and reality.

I thought disparaging democratic candidates is doing Putin’s work? Doesn’t he want to “divide” democrats with stuff like this? Is Hillary an agent for Putin? What a hypocrite.

Unintended consequences. If President Obama hadn't asked Hillary to be Secretary of State she would have stayed in the Senate and wouldn't have gotten all the blame, undeservingly so, for Benghazi and that most likely would have given her enough votes in key states to beat Trump. Plus no email scandal. Sorry for reliving the past, I just can't deal with Trump as our President. Can't help thinking what if.

Of course Hillary is bitter, she has every right to be! We all are! Anyone who is not bitter about the results of the last election is a Trumpster.

Oh, well, good thing Sanders isn't even a 'Democrat' unless he's leeching off of the party every four years or so, R93!

[quote] I love this new, unfiltered Hillary.

Me too. She's starting to remind me of a grandma with dementia.

You're over, Hillary - instead of shitting all over your Party and fellow party-members and sowing division, maybe spend more time supporting a candidate for 2020. Or is that too much to ask of that self-absorbed grandma?

It's just more twisted logic, R85 and R87.

Just focus on what Hillary is trying to say, because she has a valid point:

[quote] Nobody likes him, nobody wants to work with him, he got nothing done

The question she's raising is, can he work with Congress to get something done? Hillary is saying, NO HE CAN'T.

Because he has already proven that he can't work with Congress, and no one will support him.

After years and years of gridlock, we need a President who can work with Congress to pass MEANINGFUL LEGISLATION for the American people.

Something we haven't had, ever since Republicans took Congress in 2010.

So when you vote, consider the strengths and weaknesses of candidates.

That's all she's saying, and it's not unreasonable. Plus, she has a valid point.

She doesn’t sound bitter to me. They asked her a question and she answered it. Just because she has this specific opinion about Bernie Sanders doesn’t indicate she’s bitter. I hold the same opinion and I’m not bitter at all. It’s just the fucking truth.

R83, from the American point of view in 2016, it did look like Putin’s interference was all about Hillary, but I don’t believe for one minute that Putin, a psychopath who was the head of the KGB, and murders dissenting journalists and jails political opponents at every opportunity, thinks everyone he works with has to be someone he likes personally. That’s incredibly naive and American-centric.

Foreigners do not think like that. Look at the British holding their noses and trying to be civil to Trump. Do you think they love Trump personally? Oh hell no. Politics is a business.

As we know now, after years of revelations, Trump was in Putin’s pocket and received money from him through the Russian mob to shore up his failing real estate prospects. Trump has taken money from anyone that will give it, the Saudis, Deutsche Bank money laundering and many others. He’s just been impeached for corruption. What has that got to do with Hillary? He’s a bribe taker and Putin saw an opportunity. He was trained by the KGB to develop assets and Trump is one. Putin has spent years trying to develop assets around the world as the KGB taught him to do. He’s a cold fish.

Of course Putin would rather have a Russian asset than a patriot. That’s not particularly about Hillary. He would have hated John Kerry as President just as much, or any other patriotic Democrat who wouldn’t play ball with him. This is business for him, it’s not personal.

Americans act like babies, thinking it’s so important to be liked. It isn’t important at all. It’s important to be feared and respected.

That reminds me of when the Kansas Democrats supported Sanders in 2016, R89. Sanders and his supporters said that this showed Midwesterners were fond of him and would vote for him in bigger numbers than they did Clinton. But when a thread about it was posted here, someone mentioned that the Kansas primaries were caucuses and linked to the Kansas Democrat Facebook which had as its top post something written by BernieBros saying they'd "taken over."

Then he endorsed that Brent Wielder guy for Kansas Representative and he lost big time.

And it looks like they won't be having a caucus again! I don't think Bernie is as popular there as people thought he was.

“Nobody likes him”

[quote] You're over, Hillary - instead of shitting all over your Party and fellow party-members and sowing division, maybe spend more time supporting a candidate for 2020. Or is that too much to ask of that self-absorbed grandma?

Bernie isn't "a fellow party member", remember? And last time I checked, it was AOC and Bernie who constantly accuse people like Biden of being too conservative and all Dems being "too corporate.

R102, that is irrelevant to what Hillary said. She was talking about his approval in Congress, NOT with the people, who will latch onto any populist who shouts off a few slogans.

I don’t believe one word. Suddenly she’s Bernie’s enemy? I call shenanigans.

Bernie did more campaigning for Hillary in Michigan and Wisconsin than she did lmao. He had several events there while she couldn’t even be bothered to step foot in the states. I really wish she would just go away. America has rejected her nationally TWICE now. Take a hint, bitch.

My head just spun around and snapped off my ropy neck!

At this point, it really seems like Biden is the only candidate that Congress would work with, as President.

She is totally correct. Anybody who thinks he will actually be President is delusional. As someone said, he is a ranter and he charms people with low brain function. Not to mention he is old and unhealthy. He needs to stop taking advantage of slow people.

[Quote]It's his online Bernie Bros and their relentless attacks on lots of his competitors, particularly the women. And I really hope people are paying attention to that because it should be worrisome that he has permitted this culture — not only permitted, [he] seems to really be very much supporting it.

Nailed it. It's obvious Bernie has a problem with women. He is a misogynist. He wrote a rape esaay and he has no respect for women in debates. Last but not least he has permitted the disgusting misogyny among the bernie bros.

"Her campaigning failures in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania were not Bernie's fault"

Vee have zee technology...

She also continues to Slut shame Monica lewinsky and said “no one knew” about Weinstein. What a feminist!

[quote]She was talking about his approval in Congress, NOT with the people

The BernieBros are spinning it as though she said no voters liked him, of course. They won't engage with what she really said, that he's got no allies in Congress and has no good working relationships to help bolster his ability to get things passed.

DANCING WITH THE STARS 2020 will be casting soon. It's a great opportunity for celebrities , politicians and athletes who want to change the conversation and get back on the public's good side.

In my opinion, you cant find a much safer way or a more supportive venue to get people to cheer for someone than by competing on DANCING WITH THE STARS. There's a certain "EVERYONE IS A WINNER " spirit on that program.

Perhaps Hillary Clinton might want to consider being a contestant, it might be a good way to lift her spirit and encourage the public to get back on her side again.

It might also be a good option for Marianne Williamson or South Carolina Governor Mark Sanford.

Bitter: angry, hurt, or resentful because of one's bad experiences or a sense of unjust treatment.

In the case of the 2016 election , bitterness is the appropriate reaction in the case of all democrats, including Hillary. Anyone who isn't bitter about it is either soulless, numb, blindly ignorant, or overmedicated.

R101, there were a lot of complaints in caucus states about Bernie Bros running roughshod over non Bernie supporters, as well as being pushy and intimidating to caucus staffers. Some states changed because they didn’t like the “mob rule” aspect of the caucuses, which could easily be taken over by what were essentially pushy, loudmouth frat boys and girls trying to intimidate everyone else into shutting up.

They broke rules like wearing Bernie campaign gear on site. It’s against the law to wear campaign items like t-shirts within a certain number of feet from a polling place. Especially for people working the venue. They did it anyway and nobody stopped them. Everything became people silently disapproving, but no one having the guts to get in a fight with them over it.

Keep in mind, a lot of poll workers are elderly women, and they didn’t want to have to get confrontational with some hulking college frat boys. I met a lot of election volunteers in 2018, a very large proportion were really elderly women, some into their eighties.

At the time, it was very noticeable that Bernie won mostly caucus states and did much worse in non-caucus states, where people could vote silently without pressure. I think a lot of delusional Bernie Bros refuse to understand that older people are allowed to vote too, and so are people that don’t like Bernie. It’s like watching the Hitler Youth bullying everyone in their path. I know in my state, caucus workers complained to the DNC about intimidation.

R82 As a Frenchman, I can tell you that Bernie's fans regularly come to attack us on social medias about things that do not concern them at all since it's internal to France. The other day there was even a report on this subject on TV. But just like Trump supporters they have very limited knowledge of France and we quickly shut their big mouths

R177 Why i'm not surprised?

I'm so over this cunt.

Do any of his colleagues currently support him?

Bernie Bros attacking older ladies? Of course they do. NO ONE is shocked by this. They're trash.

But, they'd take their VOTE for Sanders and their MONEY

TRASH, every one of them. As bad as Trumpers

She is correct. Bernie Bros are as bad as Trump supporters. They’re awful

I do think it's funny that the Bernie Supporters who were fine with saying that they wouldn't vote for Hillary are up in arms if anyone dare suggest they'd do the same to Bernie.

[quote] As a Frenchman, I can tell you that Bernie's fans regularly come to attack us on social medias about things that do not concern them at all since it's internal to France ... they have very limited knowledge of France and we quickly shut their big mouths

Lol, r117. And yet so many Europeans love to butt in everywhere and pass judgment on literally everything that goes on in the US (from the death penalty to the homelessness problem in California to police issues - all internal, domestic issues that are NONE of France's business). Despite the fact that the French have little knowledge of how the US legislation works, they still love to open their "big mouths" and act all superior in person.

And I love how easily manipulated you are. So some ANONYMOUS "rando" goes on "social media" and presents themselves as a "Bernie-bro" and you believe him? That might as well be a person from North Korea. Get off "social media" (what a stupid addiction).

Bernie prided himself by saying he was an Independent and not a Democrat yet he keeps trying to run as a Dem for Prez.

R102, a poll that lists Susan Collins as the second most popular Senator in America is not one that has much relevance today.

R125, which is why so many Democrats support somebody else. Democrats support the policies of the Democratic Party for the most part.

Bernie Bros are basically getting mad at Democrats because they’re not socialists. Form your own party then, socialists. The Democratic Party is not the socialist party.

R127

[Quote] Form your own party then, socialists. The Democratic Party is not the socialist party.

Some leftists have done that for decades now and look at how maturely the Democratic party responds when that happens.

#ILikeBernie is trending worldwide🤮

[Quote]Take a hint, bitch.

Are you ok bernie bro? We know you're a bernie bro cult member because your misogyny ia showing.

R123 For a lot of us it's the hypocrisy. So many people who say "vote blue not matter who" and "we must defeat Trump - no matter who is the nominee" also say that they'll never vote for Sanders.

If twitter trends mattered, Orangina would have been impeached years ago.

But, I'm glad the Bros are having fun, hissy-fitting.

Maybe it will keep them from harassing some elderly ladies, for an afternoon or two.

I'll vote for Bernie but most of America won't

Yeah, R131, but the hypocrisy works both ways. So many Bernie Bros were perfectly fine saying it didn't matter they could vote or not vote any which way they want... so no, they can't now turn around and screech if the same is done to Bernie.

Bernie Bros. are Russian hackers. No one would ever get that excited by that fugly old hack.

R116 PREACH. Everything you said is so true. You perfectly explained the Bernie bros cult mentality.

[quote] Some leftists have done that for decades now and look at how maturely the Democratic party responds when that happens.

Hillary did respond maturely--nothing is more mature than the truth 😉. And FYI, Bernie actually had the stupidity to claim Hillary was not fit to be presidential AND that Hillary was responsible for Russiagate.

Seriously- wtf is her problem? Trump was never more correct than when he called her a nasty woman.

And she was never more correct when she called people like R138, "Deplorable."

Bernie is the real "Useful Idiot" and he has been for the past 33 years. Right now his ego will not allow him to believe anything he says or does or causes to happen is bad. He is a chaos agent, an anarchist. If you were to tell him he is being used to undermine and weaken he would stubbornly refuse to accept it or he would say he is aware and it's part of his strategy and at the "right time" he will do something that explains everything. LOLOL! So he is being used and because he has this massive ego that has searched for validation for more than 40 years he will never stop campaigning and preaching. Never. He has people supporting his candidacy including on his payroll who are using him to fuck up the Democrats and sabotage the 2020 election.

Never ever understood how people didn't see through Bernie. Started as a Democrat, people didn't listen to his crabby, cranky, shitass, so he declared himself an independent in some podunk tiny state and had the balls to call an ex First Lady, a former NY state senator, and former Secretary of State INEXPERIENCED. She beat the pants off him at the primary, and his little bitch boys refused to pick country over party (sound familiar?), and now that he's getting a taste of his own medicine, he's cunting off to his flying monkeys to attack attack attack. Anyone else wonder where he got the money to run his campaigns (bullshit it's microfinancing)? His health? Questionable. His record in senate? Awful. Why his (lack of) legislative record and his inability to work with people isn't being trumpeted from the rooftops seems like a missed opportunity.

Someone tell me again where Bernie got the money for that private plane to fly him and his family off to stalk the Pope during the middle of his campaign?

R123 WINS!

THREAD CLOSED!

Remember how Bernie wouldn't release his taxes?

Remember how Bernie would rail against people not paying their fair share of taxes and it turned out he was paying less than 15% lol.

Or his medical records!

Oh the irony.

Is it ironic? How many Senators endorsed her again? How many endorsed Bernie, their current colleague at the time?

I sware to God that if Hillary is the nominee again I will vote for Trump on the Conservative Party line in New York State!

R149, that's the best imitation of a Bernie Bro I've ever seen. Keep at it!

Then you’re a Republican, R149, so it’s not very surprising.

R149 like you weren't going to regardless of who the nominee is?

I might vote for Yang or Tulsi. I would consider Buttigieg cause he's gay.

If you are considering voting for Tulsi...there are just no words.

I’m not surprised that a Russian troll supports the three Russian assets in the election, Trump, Bernie and Tulsi. What a patriotic Russian you are.

So do people know he never passed any bills in 30 years? Thanks Hil, that was news to me. The lazy hippy thing needs to be explored.

Come to think of it, I don’t remember him ever doing anything productive. He’s always been rhetorical and not a person who accomplished anything.

Bloomberg has the money, experience and political savvy to beat Trump.

I hate Bernie and I'm not registered as a Democrat so I was talking about the general election.

R156, he actually was kicked out a commune for harassing pregnant women.

Do people remember how he shipped a bunch of toxic waste off to Texas... to a poor, Latino community? And then proceeded to get his wife a cushy job on the Board that was overseeing the toxic waste... which she (Jane) was STILL receiving a nice check from DURING the 2016 campaign and a year after?

Why doesn’t that surprise me, R159.

Yes, everyone is coming for this feckless old cunt’s balls!

Pete: Let me actually get in on some of this

Harassment of pregnant ladies? Do the Bros know about this?

I mean, they might eventually get bored harassing elderly women, so this could totally be #goals for them!

#BernieApproved #FightLikeBernie

I remember in 2018 people, myself included, thought that’s Pelosi should go. In the end she has proven, once again, to be a great leader that knows when to give and when to hold the line on ideas and objectives. If Bernie is the President, I see him spending more time attacking Pelosi, and the moderates she is supposed to protect, over Republicans. His term would be an absolute disaster that will lead to 8 years of Nikki Haley Adminstration.

He is incapable of meaningful compromise and his foreign policy ideas are all over the place. He actually seems like a weak Commander in Chief candidate. We need a leader that isn’t afraid of ordering the death of or enemies, not a Soviet Sympathizer that without a clear foreign policy objective. We have that now and it’s a disaster.

Warren, Pete, Bloomberg, Biden are my current options. One of my friend are Trump supporters, the other a Bernie supporter. Both sound like complete idiots when they defend their preferred candidate.

He is a jerk- no one has liked him for years, his colleagues in Congress and those who have worked for and with him. Just because you are liberal and progressive does not mean you are nice. HRC is correct- his legislative achievements for the time he has been in Congress are incredibly thin. I have always thought of him as an advocate, not a politician. He does not make law- he advocates for it. When it comes time to make law he is too combative and my way or the highway and falls short. That is his history.

Or maybe he doesn’t really want the laws.

That’s my problem. I can’t figure out if the guy is a spook. If he is, he is a lot less obvious about it (See Tulisi, Stein, Rand Paul).

[quote]Anyone else wonder where he got the money to run his campaigns (bullshit it's microfinancing)?

WaPo: Sanders is benefiting from some of the types of donors he criticizes, as well as the kind of shadowy group he has decried.

Didn't Sanders' campaign also benefit from repeated donations from the same DC address that couldn't be verified? Someone remind me about this.

So is this foreign money? From you-know-who?

Come on, Bernie. I swear to god if he turns out to be a traitor, after 30 years of giving Americans hope (if not actual laws), then I will be severely pissed. I wouldn’t take that lying down.

We need to know who is helping him and who is he helping?

This is not brought up enough. I barely see it being discussed anywhere.

Yes, R170 and how many times did the FEC contact Bernie and his campaign requesting clarification on donations and spending and they refused to respond?

[quote] Can you just imagine how little LBJ would have accomplished if he had no relationship with congress? His experience there and the network he built there was crucial to his bills getting passed.

Yet there are still so many who minimize his accomplishments.

r165 could you imagine the damage that would be done by a lazy president that tries to implement large changes? Goodbye stock market gains and hello recession.

It drove me insane that during the last debate they asked Bernie what he would say to the 20k people, from some random city, that would lose their job in the healthcare industry if his M4A plan was enacted. He an NFL level pivot towards the “need for a M4A plan.” Well, that wasn’t the question! The job loss and cost issues will be used against Dems if he is the nominee. He sinply doesn’t have an answer! Like how do people from our educated Party accempt that?

R171, I really don't understand how he got away with that. Hillary and Obama would NEVER have been able to get away with that. It would have still been considered a damaging scandal 20 years later. I cannot wrap my brain around that. Maybe someone will bring it up in the debates soon. I hope.

SINGAL PAYAH PROGRAM! FILLIN GOUT FAHMS! SICK AND TIYAHD!

r172 LBJ is such an interesting President because he represents some of the best Donestic Policy achievements since FDR, while holding the worst foreign policy initiatives probably ever. Given the number of deaths, I say that the Vietnam War was worse that Iraq and Afghanistan. Unlike, the former, we never obtain significant control of the region.

Has Bernie dabbled in the homosex?

R174 he got away with it most likely because people give his rabid followers too much credit. Everyone tip toes around him because they're afraid of what his cultists will do and how they'll react. Reminds me of someone else...

Seems to me that nobody liked presidential wannabe Hillary Clinton either.

You lost Hilly ....... Remember ?

R177, if sex with one's self counts, then yes. Thousands of times. In front of the mirror. While repeatedly moaning to the phrases "working classes", "no billionaires", "no millionaires", "tax the rich", "Medicare for all", etc.

[quote]Seriously- wtf is her problem? Trump was never more correct than when he called her a nasty woman.

Go away. I can't wait to listen to the Stern interview. I heard a snippet of it and it was good.

Just a reminder, Bernie is one of the few candidates who opposes the removal of the filibuster. He has NO plan for implementing his policies because he knows many of them would be DOA in Congress or simply won’t work. Maintaining the filibuster gives him the opportunity to avoid accountability, we will never get 60 seats with him leading the ticket, and it gives him a reason to support Democratic Primary challengers in the 2022 mid-term.

Anyone that isn’t for the removal of the filibuster is not serious about the Republican opposition or their desire to make changes that will help the poor and middle class.

[quote]You lost Hilly ....... Remember ?

Yes, let's ignore... Russian interference... REMEMBER?

people need to realize many of his “supporters” are just online bot farms. So no need to be afraid of asking good questions.

If he’s not a foreign spook then it will come out in the evidence. For now, I say dig away.

And are people just allowed to ignore the FEC?

Surely there was some kind of conclusion to that?

I love her so much. She doesn’t give a FUCK anymore.

Remember when Bernie hacked into Hillary's voter database?

No significant Russian influence.

[quote] I might vote for Yang or Tulsi

Good for you, Boris.

However, you're not allowed to vote. FROM MOTHER RUSSIA.

[quote]Surely there was some kind of conclusion to that?

Nope. He and his team kept ignoring it saying, "we're too busy campaigning... we'll get to it later..."

And then they said, "We're no longer campaigning so fuck off we don't have to respond any more."

[quote]No significant Russian influence.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

R189 what about campaign finance laws?

R63 = doesn't know the difference between competent and inspiring. I hope you'll be happy with part 2 of the Trump presidency.

She thinks she's an entitled cunt.

She's just a regular old cunt.

r62, I'm not supporting him if he wins the nomination. I'm from California and she votes in New York so we will not be supporting Trump in the General Election. But will do whatever it takes to be sure he doesn't GET the nomination. Asshole should have suspended his campaign after the heart attack. His son just lost his wife and now he has to worry about his father doing too much now? HE cares about NO ONE but his movement to make US a socialist country. It is not going to happen so just reveal who your big donors are from that secret pact.

And what kind of Cunt is Bernie, R193?

I'd say an entitled one since you know, he expects to be able to run as a Democrat and make Democrats follow the rules he believes should be set and you know... he's not a Democrat.

She’s correct. Nobody but retards like him.

[quote][R65], DL Fave Andy Cohen publicly slammed DL: "there is no crueler place than that VILE pit of trollery" And according to others, DL is a "racist cesspool" full of septuagenarians who will soon meet the Maker.

R88, Muriel confirmed in an AMA last year that DL does get trolled from time to time, and I take it you're unaware of last year's red taggs where Muriel pointed out the country of origin in the tag.

[quote]For those who think Bernie would have won--if you don't remember, he was DESTROYED in the south, where Hillary won in large margins against him. Stop trying to rewrite history.

R18 you know who else was destroyed in the South? HILLARY! In the General Election! Because the Southern Democratic primaries don't translate into votes in the general! Because outside Florida, the Democratic electorate in the South is almost entirely made up of the African American minority population which has always struggled to win statewide races!

R198, that's completely irrelevant to the point I made. You tried though. You really did.

Hillary ISN'T running.

But Bernie IS.

Hillary is no longer relevant.

No longer relevant, unless....she were to endorse Bernout Sanders, encourage people to donate money to his campaign or donate her own money to his campaign! AMIRIGHT?

Russia interfering again. It worked in 2016, let's try it again. Such easy manipulation. We are doomed.

Tulsi, Bernie and Joe are not going to be receiving Hillary's coveted endorsement

But now I question whether any candidates are actively seeking out Hillary's endorsement or even her suppprt.

Hillary's too bitter and vindictive to help out anyone.

We heard you the first 100 times, Boris at R204.

Get a new fucking line.

Why would anyone consider her endorsement "coveted?"

She was the [italic] Biggest Loser Of 2016.

I say this as a Biden then Buttegeig supporter: the establishment are rallying to weaken him. Hillary first... Obama in the wings, I'd bet. I say good. He's too much of a risk and a wild card to win the nomination. The kook you know vs. the kook you don't.

I suppose Hillary blames the Russians for that stick up her ass.

Funny that only Russians and Trumpists are the only ones that try to say that Russia didn't do anything.

Hillary keeps on winning.

Hillary would very much like to win, but she seems to have forgotten how.

Pretty sure her statement on Sanders shows she hasn't forgotten at all.

Thanks for playing though!

Why do you say Hilary won't endorse Joe Biden and lump him in with Tulsi and Bernie r203? She hasn't had anything bad to say about him and actually defended him when they were trying to smear him about his interact ions with women.

I didn't think Hillary would stoop so low. Guess she really didn't get over losing to Trump. Funny thing, though, her criticism of Bernie sounds exactly like something the crude and rude Donald Trump would say.

I think that Hillary would support either Biden or Warren.

Although, maybe less so for Warren, because Hillary always wanted to be the first female President.

[quote]Hillary ISN'T running.

Except as draft from a deadlocked convention.

The convention will be contested between Biden and Sanders, and Hillary will be chosen as the nominee.

[quote]Funny thing, though, her criticism of Bernie sounds exactly like something the crude and rude Donald Trump would say.

Nice try, but what Hillary says doesn't sound like a mentally slow 3- year old on the playground who is mad because he pooped his pants and the other children won't play with him.

It sounds more like the bitterness Clinton fans ascribe to Sanders people in a case of massive projection. The whole problem last time was that Sanders people cost her the election by refusing to vote for her, so now that Sanders is an active candidate and she isn't it's okay for her to undermine him.

“Hello! Kettle? This is the Pot. You’re BLACK!!”

[quote]The whole problem last time was that Sanders people cost her the election by refusing to vote for her

So it'll be okay to do the same to him, right?

R102, I'm gonna guess that (former) Senator Al Franken is surprised he's one of the most popular current senators. Franken resigned in January of 2018, so your link is at least 2 years old (but probably quite a bit older than that).

Regarding Bernie (and specifically his accomplishments and record in the Senate), Hillary is spot on. That all he's done is name some post offices and managed to get a bill that everyone thought was a great idea through is, well... pretty pathetic for someone who wants to start a revolution. This is probably a good time (but pointless; whatever!) to point out that I've been a Bernie supporter since he was Mayor of Burlington. I donated money to him probably before the majority of DL posters were born. He served a useful purpose in the 2016 primary until he decided to go scorched earth and refused to concede to Hillary when it became clear he had no path to victory.

I get it. Bernie says things young people want to hear. Saying things does not make them true, nor will it become true. Getting the kind of legislation that Bernie's plans would require would take a supermajority in the Senate and a compliant House, and neither looks likely for the foreseeable future. The country has moved to the right in the last 40 years, and we have about 45 Republicans in the Senate that could rape babies on television and their constituents would shrug their shoulders and say "the baby is a libtard and deserved it."

The Republicans understand power as R72 aptly observes. Face it: they will put anyone in office over a Democrat because they have been brainwashed to the point that they literally vote to take away their own benefits, security and future because they think it will deny benefits, security and a decent future to the brown people. And Republicans love this because it means they get tax cuts and corporate welfare to the tune of $Trillions, not to mention a SCOTUS that was lost for at least a generation, all thanks to a handful of Democrats who just couldn't bring themselves to look at the big picture and instead focused on Hillary not deigning to visit their neck of the woods... and, of course, her emails. Well, that and 30 years of being the target of bogus Congressional investigations, FOX news hits and who knows how many $billions Putin spent on troll farms, Cambridge Analytica and worldwide voter manipulation.

If Bernie gets the nomination, I will vote for him. The reason is pretty basic: I want to live out my days in a liberal democracy. That is not guaranteed should Trump manage another term, or any Republican, for that matter.

[quote]It sounds more like the bitterness Clinton fans ascribe to Sanders people in a case of massive projection.

It's not projection if it's true.

How many of his colleagues endorsed him?

Sanders is Jewish, but HATES being identified as such.

He’s a Democrat, but will snap your head off if you call him anything other than “independent.”

He’s a born & bred New Yorker but pursued politics in another state to get elected.

He’s a friend & ally to no one.

"Why do you say Hilary won't endorse Joe Biden"

Joe Biden was her link to Obama when he was in office. If it wasn't for Biden, she wouldn't have gotten Obama's ear when Secretary of State. Hillary - we - owes him Big Time. She'll gladly endorse him.

Agreed, r225, some idiot above said she won't!

How do we stop her from ruining another election?

[bold] 2016 : The Shaming Of The Shrew

2020 - The Taming of the Shrew

R124 Lol it's quite funny to read an American especially a pro Bernie to make a comparison of behaviors between Europeans and Americans. Beyond the fact that your thinking is childish and risky, it is ridiculous and lacks relevance by the simple fact that unlike the US, France is not the first world power, it does not rule the world and its internal policy has consequences only on herself. America even allows itself to kidnap French business leaders in order to literally blackmail to rob French industry. The Alstom case is a perfect example. The next time you want to make this kind of absurd comparison, it's worth it for you to know what your big mouth of outraged pseudo knows where exactly it puts its feet. Espèce de connard enragé!

jesus, what the hell is wrong with all of you?

Does anyone really need her endorsement? She's out of the political loop. It's not as though she's a former president, and her opinion certainly wouldn't hold any weight in today's political arena.

Bernie's an independent who should run as an independent. Stop using the democratic party when it's convenient for you.

The View hammered him today. Even Joy Behar, who defended him a lot in 2016, is tired of his antics.

Maybe she should eat some of those leftover carrots.

She looks constipated.

Lol. Still bitter after all these years. And she sounds like a middle-schooler. “Nobody LIKES him”?

Really, Hills??

Yes, really.

But I do LOL that that's all you got.

I thought Big Mouth Behar was moving to Canada if Trump won the election. So why is she still here?

There are a lot of people who still love and respect Hillary, and her recent Howard Stern interview even won over a lot of new supporters, so yes, her endorsement would hold weight with many. She obviously has many haters as well but her endorsement is unlikely to sway their opinion of whatever candidate she endorses.

It will be thrilling to watch Sanders denied the nomination once again, and his supporters heads explode as they realize that he will NEVER be President!

It will be thrilling to watch Sanders lose the nomination once again and his supporters heads explode as they realize he will never be President!

Karma is a bitch, and her name is Hillary!

Weaver runs a nasty campaign. He did so in 2016.

I am an older adult, and don't appreciate that old man, Bernie, wagging his finger with elevated voice, repeating quarter century old, rustic talking points.

Bernie needs to be sitting somewhere on a park bench arguing with other.old-timers with their magic hurry canes.

Wait so people want to come for Bernie for not taking time for people’s birthdays and turning a blind eye to a level of “dirty politics” within his campaign etc - YET look who is in the fucking White House. I say embrace it. I believed what Avenetti said awhile ago - on some level it will take a Trump to beat a Trump. I’m all for it. I think Bernie is the only one with the fire to go a head with fuckface

[quote] There are a lot of people who still love and respect Hillary

Maybe a handful, at most.

R124 "And I love how easily manipulated you are. So some ANONYMOUS "rando" goes on "social media" and presents themselves as a "Bernie-bro" and you believe him? That might as well be a person from North Korea. Get off "social media" (what a stupid addiction)"

Easily manipulated? Coming from a member of a cult of madmen who idolizes an old bedridden careerist who barely stands on his old legs, allows himself to be carried away like a Neanderthal with women, are you sure we are the ones being "easily manipulated"? And what a hypocrisy to speak of addiction to social medias when your frustrated cult spends all its time on twitter to assault and insult the whole world. What a suicidal strategy when you are supposed to rally voters to your cause! Lol "easily manipulated" reallyyy?

Bernie bot meltdowns all day long on social media are the best!

Bow to Queen Hillary

How embarrassing to be such a bitter old bitch. Hillary lost because she was a lousy candidate who could not be bothered to lower herself to go to the swing states thinking she would win no matter what. How embarrassing to be such bitter Hillary supporters after 4 fucking years have gone by. It's Hillary's fault we got stuck with Trump and the fault of no one else. She wouldn't even take advice from her husband who won twice.

GET OFF MY LAWN HILLARY!

For those of you who don't get it, being "liked" is paramount for success in the US Senate. You cannot arrogantly go you're own way and expect anyone to work with you. It's like school in many ways. Fascinating article from The Atlantic in 2006 that shows how Hillary was successful in the senate. Skip on down to the senate part.

So ironic

Hillary has Bernie running.

Biden will have him sharting.

[quote] Fascinating article from The Atlantic in 2006 that shows how Hillary was successful in the senate

Except she really wasn't.

I believe he could have won if Hillary and the DNC hadn't screwed him stopping him from being the nominee in 2016. Lord help him if he is the nominee in 2020. Trump will make mincemeat of him.

👺 Enough with the plastic surgery. She's beginning to look like Pinocchio's grandmother.

[quote]I believe he could have won if Hillary and the DNC hadn't screwed him stopping him from being the nominee in 2016. Lord help him if he is the nominee in 2020. Trump will make mincemeat of him.

But Trump wouldn't have made mincemeat of him in 2016, and you think he would have won? That makes no sense.

Has someone posted her tweet addressing this already?

[quote]I thought everyone wanted my authentic, unvarnished views! But to be serious, the number one priority for our country and world is retiring Trump, and, as I always have, I will do whatever I can to support our nominee.

Queen.

Why do people like her never die prematurely? This planet really is a wicked place.

[quote] Except she really wasn't.

With proof like that, I don't know why I don't believe you!

She sounds like she has way too much time on her hands.

I love Hillary Clinton more and more every day.

She speaks the truth, even though too many simply don't want to hear it.

And I hate Bernie more and more every day. He's terrible. He's the very epitome of "unlikeable".

Can ANY Democrat in the Senate be "successful" nowadays? They have acted neutered for well over a decade. Mitch McConnell STOLE a SCOTUS appointment. Now, that's (evil) success!

There are people whom Hillary HAS said kind words about:

1. Before / during her 2016 campaign Hillary complimented Huma Abedin. 2. Angela Merkel 3. Chelsea Clinton 4. I think also Hillary said something positive about Kate McKinnon's impersonation of her on SNL.

Pretty bad when even Tulsi is a better legislator than Bernie Sanders.

Until the Democratic party can get their shit together, and decide on a suitable candidate, they'll never defeat Trump.

How about Hillary end it right now with the petty bullshit and name calling. Just go home if you're not gonna help.

Yaassss queen. Slay queen. Etc.

R262, she IS helping. By pointing out what a terrible candidate Bernie is. If he were the nominee, we'd lose to trump in a landslide.

R250, have you learned how to read yet? A lot of first graders haven't'.

Pete! Yep, Pete.

Direct quote from Bernie: "They say I can be nasty, I don't know how to get along with people. Well, maybe there's some truth to it."

So Clinton was just agreeing with him.

Outside of Datalounge, where Hillary's Stans reign, the Interwebs are frying her.

Exactly what you'd think people would say:

* Nobody likes her

* WTF is she trying to divide the Democrats just before Iowa

* Why is she taking the spotlight away from Trump's impeachment

* Why can't she get over 2016/Why does she blame everyone under the sun?

* Bernie's "some days my wife like me" response made her look even more ridiculous and petty

* She really thinks that a deadlocked convention will turn to her.

Even all the old Obama staffers are dissing her on Twitter.

SMH

Oh, and this is trending all over Twitter. IG, FB and every other social media in various formats

[bold] "I was very flattered when Henry Kissinger said I ran the State Department better than anybody had run in a long time." - Hillary Clinton

”I am proud to say that Henry Kissinger is not my friend” Bernie Sanders [/bold]

R264 Well, if there's one thing that Hillary's an expert on, it's losing to Trump.

While I like the unvarnished doesn't give a fuck Hillary (that Howard Stern interview from a couple of months ago was excellent,) this was a really shitty move for her. If she wanted to endorse one of the other candidates at this stage, fine. But to shit all over one of the top 2 candidates in the race at this stage? She's gotta move past this now.

Also, as much of a pain in the ass as Bernie could be and even though he could've been faster on his 2016 endorsement, it's worth noting that MORE of his supporters voted for Hillary in 2016 than her supporters voted for Obama in 2008. And, don't give me any nonsense about McCain being more respectable than Trump. That's a low bar. And with the exception of a couple of strong points -- campaign finance and a willingness to see the grey in immigration reform, McCain was a pretty hardcore conservative.

My top two choices are Warren and Bernie, but I would feel the same way if she'd said something similar about Biden or Buttigieg.

I love the unhiged delusion screaming, "It's Hillary's fault we're stuck with him!!!"

But didn't some of you bitches think he was fine enough to vote for instead of her? Or not vote for her knowing it would be a vote for Drumpf?

Y'all are too stupid to even understand how stupid you are.

Yes, cause a vote for Romney was the exact same as a vote for Drumpf.

Important to be noted, right?

R271, that has been proven to be false. Only 74% of Bernie supporters voted for Hillary. 84% of Hillary supporters voted for Obama. And let's not forget that although they are both Republicans, there is a HUGE difference between voting for McCain and voting for Trump.

*McCain.

I will add this-- if my social media and text inbox is any indication, she has done Bernie a huge favor.

You DLEGs and HillStans really do not appreciate the degree to which my generation despises her and everything she stands for and the fact that she won't just take the blame for 2016 and drop out of sight.

And today brought a tidal wave of "I was for Warren/Pete/Amy/Biden but I swear I'm going to vote for Bernie just to piss that nasty old bitch off"

So what, R276, your generation doesn't vote, right?

Do people really not understand that comments on social media DO NOT represent what the entire nation thinks. At best, they are only reflective of those who are millennials or younger. Just ask Jeremy Corbyn about that, he knows all about it.

R276 You can’t blame her for your immaturity and pettiness.

Also, as if we needed any more proof about how stupid some people are:

"As if my social media and texts are any indication."

Geez, your social media and social circles echo your beliefs.

What

a

surprise!

And that comment was in response to people posting about the reactions on twitter defending Bernie and the people talking about how "their generation hates everything Hillary stands for". As if they even know anything about Hillary.

[quote] that has been proven to be false.

Who voted for who is a very inexact science based on surveys taken many months after the election.

Which is why there are so many different results

You're right R278

We don't understand her or anything about her.

If we knew her the way you knew her, we'd love her.

She lost.

To Trump.

Bernie went on REAL tours to campaign for Hillary: He did about 5x more campaigning for her than Hillary did when she lost the nomination to Obama.

This boils down to a nasty AND LAZY cunt calling a nasty but hard working cunt, a cunt.

Regardless, even if the same percentage of Hillary voters ended up voting for McCain, it is only the Bernie voters that didn't vote for Hillary that have a big issue with cognitive dissonance. These people--or Susan Sarandon as I call them--have an incredibly twisted view of things and even viewed Trump as "the lesser evil" to Hillary. Truly stupid fucks.

R283, the fact that you say your generation "hates everything she stands for" is all I need to know. You seem like the kind of person who would have voted for Trump instead of Hillary because he is "the lesser evil".

[quote]And today brought a tidal wave of "I was for Warren/Pete/Amy/Biden but I swear I'm going to vote for Bernie just to piss that nasty old bitch off"

Said no one but a Bernie fanatic. A tidal wave! A tidal wave! Oh my.

I was for Bernie in 2016 and I'm not a millennial. I hated Hillary and still do but I voted for her because you fucking vote for the Democrat no matter who it is. That is a lot more than those on here who hate Bernie will do. BTW, I still love Bernie but this time I'm for Warren. I dislike Biden immensely but if he's the nominee I'll do what I did in 2016. I'll hold my nose and vote for him. It was bad enough to hear about so many Democrats who didn't vote or voted 3rd party in 2016 but to think that anyone wouldn't vote for whoever the nominee is this time no how much they hate that person is too horrible to imagine. They would have to be the lowest piece of shit that ever walked this earth.

I like how someone who brings up their generation thinks they speak for everyone in it.

[quote]you fucking vote for the Democrat no matter who it is. That is a lot more than those on here who hate Bernie will do.

Well except it was the pro Bernie "I hate Hillary" group who said they wouldn't vote the Dem ticket and then didn't.

[quote]Also, as much of a pain in the ass as Bernie could be and even though he could've been faster on his 2016 endorsement, it's worth noting that MORE of his supporters voted for Hillary in 2016 than her supporters voted for Obama in 2008

Doesn't matter because she lost. If Obama had lost in 2008, you know damn well Hillary would have been blamed for it. That she didn't concede fast enough, that enough of her supporters didn't turn out to ensure an Obama victory. The media and a lot of democrats would have placed the lions share of blame on her for it.

So maybe his damage was somewhat minimal (but I don't think causing complete chaos at the democratic convention and having your most media visible supporters endorse Jill Stein is minimal) but it doesn't matter in the end, because she lost.

It's the way it happen, and he's tied to it. So either he sucks it up, and he and his supporters come out once again against Clinton and dredge up the usual BS, or he can be a man for once and admit he made mistakes, which he has yet to do. His choice. He's running, not Hillary. The ball is in his court, no one elses.

R292, sorry, what? SHE lost. What on earth does that have to do with Bernie?

[quote]You DLEGs and HillStans really do not appreciate the degree to which my generation despises her and everything she stands for

You've swallowed the FOX news Kool aid in whole. This woman has been the subject of SEVERAL major investigations and has come out innocent in all of them.

So what exactly is it that you despise about her? Cause I can pretty much guarantee that it's Republican endorsed propaganda.

When she became a senator, Hillary asked Robert Byrd--the Democrat senator responsible for killing HIllarycare--on how to be a good senator. His advice? "Be a workhorse, not a show horse". That quote perfectly explains why Bernie had 0 success in the senate.

P.S. Bernie would never have the balls or humility to ask another senator for advice. He is the type to tell others what he wants and that's it.

Flip Flop!!!

Whatever you think of Hillary Clinton, this just looks like sour grapes. She's just creating more division. Please, Mrs. Clinton, stop talking.

[quote]What on earth does that have to do with Bernie?

Clearly this is out of your league.

I didn't use really big words.

R296, she's not fucking flip flopping. She said that same thing in the fucking interview. Jesus fucking Christ.

And you're right R294

My entire generation has swallowed the Fox Kool Aid

Good thing you'll be dead before we Hannity-loving clones are in charge.

SMH

Hillary is irrelevant and nobody cares what she has to say... And then the argument is that because of what she said a tidal wave of people are now supporting Bernie.

So which is it?

[quote] [R296], she's not fucking flip flopping. She is Our Queen. She can change her mind any time she wants and we will walk behind her in lockstep. Jesus fucking Christ.

Fixed

Actually, she beat Trump by over 3 million votes R284.

The Electoral college beat her.

That's ridiculous, R292. In what way does relitigating the 2016 primary benefit anyone other than Trump? I gained my US citizenship in 2007. I proudly voted for Hillary in that primary and again in 2016. All today's news does is benefit Hillary and puts attention on her documentary. It does nothing for the Dems and it's downright selfish. Note, I'm not saying that she doesn't get to be bitter about 2016 -- the primary and the general -- she DOES. But, this is just irresponsible.

Anyway, I liked Bernie's response. He set the right tone here.

[quote]I just asked @SenSanders for his reaction to @HillaryClinton saying “no one likes” him. He said, “On a good day, my wife likes me, so let’s clear the air on that one.” He then pivoted to talking about impeachment.

[quote]I also asked Sanders why he thinks Clinton is still talking about 2016. “That’s a good question. You should ask her,” he said.

R300 You didn't answer what it is you hate about her.

You're a cowardly little shit, aren't you?

Presidential level cattiness from the woman who tried to convince the country she had the temperament for the job.

Payback is never too late! Suck it, Bernie Bros!

R305, shut up. You clearly don't get sarcasm.

R307, whatever you believe about her or him, this just helps HIM because those folks who don't like HER find it fun to piss her off and will start paying attention to and voting for HIM.

She WILL be avenged!

R305 also doesn't get that this isn't a discussion taking place in a bar room where you can ask your adversary to go outside.

Calling people a coward on an anonymous bulletin board when all they have to do is block your ass and you disappear. You really are stupid, aren't you?

R306 You think that's cattiness after four years of Trump's idiotic name calling? That's direct and to the point truth telling in comparison.

[quote]I will add this-- if my social media and text inbox is any indication,...

It's not.

If social media became sentient it would be the terminator.

[quote]don't like HER find it fun to piss her off and will start paying attention to and voting for HIM.

I guess there really is one born every minute.

WAAH WAAH! R311 Got his feelings hurt!

Block away, precious. Do you need a time out and a nappy change as well?

How pathetic.

R263 sounds like Jabba Jackson.

Yes, R315, and there you are, wah wah wahing all over the place, spewing your idiocy.

Name calling is juvenile. Care to try again?

First the argument is that Hillary is irrelevant and nobody cares about what she says or takes her seriously... And then it's that because of what she said it's caused a tidal wave of people who are now supporting and will vote for Bernie.

So which is it?

[quote] In what way does relitigating the 2016 primary benefit anyone other than Trump?

In what way does Bernie's scorched earth tactics on Biden, Warren and Buttigieg benefit anyone else other than Trump?

Nice that he's finally focusing on impeachment. He's only spent the last week badmouthing Obama in front of a group of Mississippi white men and circulated a completely fabricated story on Biden that he's had to apologize for. Not to mention his supporters spending more time trashing the other democratic frontrunners than Trump.

What did she hope to accomplish with this?

The ONLY thing Hillary is doing is widening the rift in a party that is already hopelessly divided.

This is not how you help.

Indeed, R314, and there you are, believeing that this selfish woman with a documentary to promote isn't stupid enough to feed into the foolishness.

A tisket, a tasket, a big ol' Basket of deplorables.

And you know what's even funnier? She got booed at the premier.

And yes, she's irrelevant and has a movie to promote, so she got some press and took it to the hilt. Bernie should thank her, but I heard he already responded.

I don't do sloppy seconds R317.

It's doubtful you'd even get a first shot, R323.

R321 As if the Bernie Bros haven't been dividing the party since 2016.... Don't blame Hillary for Bernie's sin.

[quote]Indeed, [R314], and there you are, believeing that this selfish woman with a documentary to promote isn't stupid enough to feed into the foolishness.

uh huh

All these comments about Hillary dividing a party...it's as if she's attacking an actual democrat instead of an independent

R322 I didn't know she at the premier.

Remember when she got booed at that Billy Joel concert? It still makes me giggle.

R325 isn't that rich?

I love how these people love to scream that she's, "Dividing the party," but when Bernie was the one doing it, he was "shaking things up!"

R324 I'd need a magnifying glass to find where the shot was even located in the first place.

[quote]Bernie should thank her, but I heard he already responded.

Bernie thank a woman?

She really blew it.

[italic] This comment has over 4000 likes on the New York Times website. [/italic]

I supported Clinton in 2016 and am certainly no "Bernie Bro," but frankly this says all you need to know about Hillary Clinton. She represents everything wrong with politics and has refused to accept any blame for losing to Donald Trump. Bernie campaigned 39 times in 13 states for someone who frankly did not deserve it and is diametrically opposed to everything Bernie stands for.

I'm sorry, but all the latest smears and attacks on Bernie and his supporters are what causes his supporters to get upset and in turn they are labeled as angry Bernie Bros. When will people understand that the Clinton/status quo era and style of politics has left behind millions and created the mess we are in today? Bernie is an anti-establishment candidate. Of course the establishment doesn't like him. Everything he stands against is what they stand for. They want to continue a status quo that has left behind so many people in this country.

Simply put, Hillary Clinton embarrasses herself here. She continues to lash out while accepting no responsibility for her role in electing Trump. Very, very disappointing.

Hillary's endorsement never was, and never will be coveted.

Obama is the one person who's endorsement really counts.

Bitch needs to go home, stand by her man, and bake some chocolate chip cookies.

They gave her so much shit about healthcare in the 90s. She was trying to do a good thing.

Hillary threw the first salvo. If Obama has any inkling that Bernie could become the nominee, he'll step in to stop it.

It's not the 90's anymore.

And Clinton isn't a candidate.

Obama already threw major shade at Bernie.

He's not going to be the nominee. And this will be the problem, because his supporters are going to go all scorched earth on Biden, because they know that Sanders will not run again. It's their last chance and they will do anything to get him in, even if that means weakening Biden as much as possible. It's already started with that fabricated video that came out. It's going to be a very nasty campaign, and Sanders will sit there and act like he's done nothing wrong while his supporters wreck havoc.

They're only going to prove Hillary right. Give it time.

[quote] I'm sorry, but all the latest smears and attacks on Bernie and his supporters are what causes his supporters to get upset and in turn they are labeled as angry Bernie Bros. When will people understand that the Clinton/status quo era and style of politics has left behind millions and created the mess we are in today? Bernie is an anti-establishment candidate. Of course the establishment doesn't like him. Everything he stands against is what they stand for. They want to continue a status quo that has left behind so many people in this country.

Ridiculous and clueless comment. The whole thing reeks of cluelessness. I love how it tries to frame Bernie and his fans as victims--they are not. They are instigators, pure and simple. That's really fascinating how the Clinton era is blamed for the current mess we are in. Not so long ago, I remember people talking about how they wished Clinton was president again! It seems like there is always a different former president who becomes a target of the accusation of creating today's downfall. Wouldn't it just be easier to blame the monkey in the white house currently? The comment about Bernie being "anti-establishment" is hilarious for the wrong reasons. Someone who has and is trying to be president after doing nothing in the senate for 30 years is not exactly what I would call anti-establishment--that's more of a lazy bum who wants to have his cake and eat it too. That is someone who knows how to sell snake oil while taking your money as he just sits back. That's Bernie for you. And that is exactly why social media/internet comments should NOT be taken as representative of the entire population.

Fuck off, R63.

Seriously. For someone who has been in politics for so long, what has he accomplished???

I wish Bill Clinton was President again. I had a high paying job and a robust 401k. Then I lost it all under Bush.

Even Melania could probably beat the granny panties off Hillary right now.

Clinton's time has come, and gone. Too late now, Babe!

[quote]The democratic party seems to be falling apart.

Bernie is NOT a Democrat.

Soulless warmonger corporate shill sociopath. Get lost.

Bernie is not a Democrat, he's actually left wing, that's why this feckless cunt hates him.

R342 = Monica Lewinsky and her Blue Dress

Bernie crashes the Democratic Party and overturns the furniture in a stupor and wonders why he wasn't invited in the first place.

BERNIE IS NOT A DEMOCRAT!!!

[quote] BERNIE IS NOT A DEMOCRAT!!!

Seems he is.

Hillary is awesome at throwing shade. My favorite will always be her 2008 "60 Minutes" interview where she vigorously denies believing that Barack Obama is Muslim, but coyly ends the questioning with "as far as I know."

Would you vote for Hillary if she wear the drafted nominee in November?

^^^ NO !

Dream on ........

[quote]This comment has over 4000 likes on the New York Times website.

You seem suprised that 4000 members of the misogyny brigade read the NYT.

What's most ridiculous is how the Bernie Bros try to convince everyone that they have so much support on this matter by pointing to specific instances of internet likes or social media/twitter as if that means anything at all in the real world.

The best is the fool that dismisses DL as an insular anomaly only to direct us to his own personal messages as a supposedly better and valid crossection of general public opinion, and then does one better by claiming all his friends will now suddenly switch their vote to Bernie from whoever they supported just to piss Hillary off. What a messy and pathetic friend group that must be!

R348 running as a Democrat and being a Democrat are two separate things.

Someone is projecting.

But the hot sauce that she always carries in her purse makes her so relatable to us humans, r355. How could anyone not like her?

In Africa, they call her "Sister Hillary."

Can Bernie even win the nomination? Like usual black people will save the democratic party from woke white Bernie bros.

r358 - turnout is key for Bernie. If he can get more younger and non-voters out the polls, he has a shot. He actually LEADS Biden in support of black voters 35 and under. Biden's firewall is older black voters. The older they get, the more they support him.

R358 Sanders is second only to Biden with black voters.

r359 Uhuh sure jan, i'll remember that when the South Carolina results come in again and Biden wins by 30 points.

While the old folks fight Pete is staying focused on winning!

"Pete Buttigieg opens his Cedar Rapids town hall by reflecting on the past year of campaigning in front of a crowd of over 1,000 people and ending with a prediction for Feb. 3. “I believe we will win the Iowa caucuses.”

r362 I think it's possible especially if people get tired of all this fighting and want to look towards the future.

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R361 - I'm not contradicting you, silly goose. Barring some catastrophe, Biden will win SC by a huge margin because of that firewall of support from older black voters. Sanders only hope of winning the nomination is in his (still to be proven) ability to turnout non-voters and under-represented voting blocs (including black voters under age 35) in unprecedented numbers. It remains to be seen if tweets and donations to Bernie will translate into votes.

r364 r365 I don't remember that double post Debbie but i do remember her beating Bernie in a presidential contest.

[quote] Lol it's quite funny to read an American especially a pro Bernie to make a comparison of behaviors between Europeans and Americans. Beyond the fact that your thinking is childish and risky, it is ridiculous and lacks relevance by the simple fact that unlike the US, France is not the first world power, it does not rule the world and its internal policy has consequences only on herself.

R230 = French schizo who thinks everyone on DL is “American”. I’m across the Channel from you, you “childish”, “ridiculous” person.

And we were talking about DOMESTIC politics - so why are you strawmanning instead about “world powers” and “ruling the world” (that’s a FOREIGN politics matter and “lacks relevance” to what we were discussing). Domestic US politics (e.g. death penalty in Texas, homelessness in California, gun-licensing in Arizona, etc) is none of your French-baguette business - and yet the French still love to pass judgment on it. So quit acting like only Americans comment on internal French matters - the French love to pass judgment on domestic matters in the US even more.

How does e.g. the death penalty or homelessness in California (internal US matters) affect anyone in France? It doesn’t. So get off your high horse.

As for France’s internal policies - wrong, they do have consequences for your neighbours (hint hint). France made a shitshow in Calais and that shitshow spilled over into Britain, with many of YOUR refugees trying to sneak their way into Britain. Also, France has the biggest number of nuclear reactors in Europe - so if you screw up, that will affect everyone in Britain.

And it terms of “world powers” - um, France is one: France has the 3rd largest stockpile of NUKES in the world. It has more nukes than 95% of the entire Planet (out of nearly 200 countries in the world - only ca. 10 countries have NUKES - that includes France which can destroy half the continent by simply pressing a button).

[quote] Lol it's quite funny to read an American especially a pro Bernie to make a comparison of behaviors between Europeans and Americans. Beyond the fact that your thinking is childish and risky, it is ridiculous and lacks relevance by the simple fact that unlike the US, France is not the first world power, it does not rule the world and its internal policy has consequences only on herself.

R230 = French schizo who thinks everyone on DL is “American”. I’m across the Channel from you, you “childish”, “ridiculous” person.

And we were talking about DOMESTIC politics - so why are you strawmanning instead about “world powers” and “ruling the world” (that’s a FOREIGN politics matter and “lacks relevance” to what we were discussing). Domestic US politics (e.g. death penalty in Texas, homelessness in California, gun-licensing in Arizona, etc) is none of your French-baguette business - and yet the French still love to pass judgment on it. So quit acting like only Americans comment on internal French matters - the French love to pass judgment on domestic matters in the US even more.

How does e.g. the death penalty or homelessness in California (internal US matters) affect anyone in France? It doesn’t. So get off your high horse.

As for France’s internal policies - wrong, they do have consequences for your neighbours (hint hint). France made a shitshow in Calais and that shitshow spilled over into Britain, with many of YOUR refugees trying to sneak their way into Britain. Also, France has the biggest number of nuclear reactors in Europe - so if you screw up, that will affect everyone in Britain.

And it terms of “world powers” - um, France is one: France has the 3rd largest stockpile of NUKES in the world. It has more nukes than 95% of the entire Planet (out of nearly 200 countries in the world - only ca. 10 countries have NUKES - that includes France which can destroy half the continent by simply pressing a button).

The Septuagenarian infighting will cancel each other out and Pete will emerge victoriously the winner!

[quote]So do people know he never passed any bills in 30 years?

The Extremely Online BernieBros call him "The Amendment King" to try to counteract that little fact, it's hilarious.

[quote]I think that Hillary would support either Biden or Warren.

She'll endorse whoever the Democratic candidate is, and she and Bill will probably do some campaigning for them, whoever they are.

That's why this dust-up is ridiculous: she didn't say she wouldn't endorse Bernie. She said she wasn't endorsing anyone yet. And why should she? We haven't even had one primary.

She also related her own concerns about Sanders as a candidate, which are based on her experience working with him in Congress. What she said wasn't about the 2016 election but about the times she worked with him in the Senate, and maybe dealt with him as Secretary of State.

The press and the BernieBros have manipulated this into "we all love Bernie as you can see by our hashtag" with a side of "she's supporting Trump which is typical because she's an establishment one-percenter, here's a 15-year-old photo of her at a Trump wedding proving she hates America." There were even big Twitter BernieBro accounts saying she was one of Epstein's "confidants" and the whole "Hillary owned slaves" thing came up again.

That's because Sanders and his supporters cannot address issues directly. They have to deflect and turn everything into propaganda. The more times they can cry because mean lady women like Warren and Clinton were mean to Saint Bernie, the better, because sexism is what got Bernie as far as he did in 2016, and they want it even more now in 2020.

[quote] If he can get more younger and non-voters out the polls, he has a shot.

And he won't, so he doesn't.

They keep trying this non-strategy of replacing dedicated older voters with flighty younger ones. Obama got a little bump but even he pursued an all-fronts strategy. Young people are unreliable, easily distracted, and all bark with no bite. They'll vote for a Doritos flavor before they show up in a polling booth.

[italic] Mara Gay is a member of the New York Times editorial board. [/italic] And can throw major shade.

Democrats may not agree on much these days, but on the matter of their greatest wish, there is resounding consensus:

They want to beat Donald Trump this November. Full stop.

So it’s of no help to the cause when Hillary Clinton, the party’s 2016 nominee, disparages other Democrats and shatters party unity based on her own festering resentment.

“Nobody likes him,” Mrs. Clinton said of Senator Bernie Sanders, her rival for the Democratic nomination in 2016 and a leading candidate today, in a new documentary, according to The Hollywood Reporter. “Nobody wants to work with him, he got nothing done. He was a career politician. It’s all just baloney and I feel so bad that people got sucked into it.”

That’ll play nicely in a Trump campaign ad if Mr. Sanders is the Democratic nominee.

Worse, Mrs. Clinton declined to commit to campaigning for Mr. Sanders, or even supporting him, if he wins the nomination.

“I’m not going to go there yet,” she said in an interview with The Hollywood Reporter. “We’re still in a very vigorous primary season.” As one of Bernie’s younger supporters might say: “Wow. Rude!”

Listen, I get it. It must be hard, after a bitter defeat that kept her from being the country’s first female president, to see her former rival rise in the polls, beloved by his supporters.

But considering the stakes, it’d be best if Mrs. Clinton worked through all that on her own.

It wasn’t so long ago that Mrs. Clinton made similarly pointless comments suggesting that another Democrat in the race, Representative Tulsi Gabbard, was the favored candidate of the Russians. All that did was help Tulsi Gabbard, who some have feared might wage an independent campaign in November. Her relevance was briefly inflated by being the object of Mrs. Clinton’s public ire.

If interest in Mrs. Clinton is high enough to warrant a documentary, fine. But in the middle of a presidential campaign, does she need to be so distracting?

And, as a reminder, after the 2016 Democratic convention, Mr. Sanders campaigned vigorously for Mrs. Clinton. “We have to do everything that we can to elect Secretary Clinton!” he roared to crowds while stumping for her in North Carolina days before the election. “Sanders has been one of the real champions of this campaign,” The New Yorker reported at the time.

It’s really not too much to ask Mrs. Clinton to return the favor, or if that’s too hard, to stay out of the primary contest entirely. That’s not because it’s the gracious thing to do, though it is the gracious thing to do. It’s because an electoral victory by Mr. Trump, as Mr. Sanders made clear when he campaigned for Mrs. Clinton, would be too much for the country to bear.

Democratic voters know that. Does Hillary Clinton?

[quote] Hillary Clinton's motives are clear. She wants to undermine Bernie Sanders and fuel divisiveness among Democrats. It's hard to understand the narcissistic derangement that motivates her. In this light, it seems her failed bids for the presidency were less about the well-being of the country, and more about her own desire for power.

[quote] Dear Hillary, I voted for you. You screwed up. You lost. Stop dumping on your fellow Democrats out of spite! I don’t want to hear from you again, and would not vote for you again. Please cease this vindictive public commentary. Please retire and take an academic job somewhere. Trump is the worst president in American History and your failed candidacy is to blame for his public existence. Please understand that you need to politically disappear now and let others beat Trump.

Bernbros have granddaddy issues.

[quote]Seems to me that nobody liked presidential wannabe Hillary Clinton either. You lost Hilly ....... Remember ?

And Bernie lost to Clinton.

👜 Pack your bags, everybody .........

🚆 Hillary's taking us on another ego trip !

Thank goodness, then, Bernie isn't a Democrat but only for a few months every four years or so. And then, only to mooch funds off of the DNC, who he and his supporters loathe! They really ought to start their own party. The Bernie Party! Go for it, Bros! Since you have the man and the support and the momentum and the money...just do it.

#BitterHillary

Hillary is always the last person to leave the party. She doesn't seem to know when it's time to go home.

#ButHerLegacy

[quote] Mrs. Clinton was clearly tormented by her electoral loss, casting blame on literally dozens of others while never seeming to accept her own culpability for her defeat. During the 2020 election, rather than work with the party, Clinton took to sniping at other candidates, calling Hawaii Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard a "Russian plant" and proclaiming that "nobody likes Bernie Sanders" during the first day of Trumps's impeachment trial and just weeks before the Iowa primary.

[quote] In the weeks that followed, Mrs. Clinton called Senator Amy Klobuchar a "nag who reminds people of their ex-mother-in-law" and told reporters that Senator Elizabeth Warren "sounds like your least favorite second grade teacher." When President Buttigieg seemed to have clinched the nomination, Clinton took to Twitter to announce "if you think Americans are going to elect that little f*gg*t, you've got another thing coming. Look at his cankles!"

[quote] The week before the Democratic Convention, Mrs. Clinton's daughter Chelsea announced that her mother had entered a rehab facility in Ojai, California and would remain there through the election.

[quote] Hillary Clinton's motives are clear. She wants to undermine Bernie Sanders and fuel divisiveness among Democrats. It's hard to understand the narcissistic derangement that motivates her. In this light, it seems her failed bids for the presidency were less about the well-being of the country, and more about her own desire for power.

Fascinating. So Hillary is a deranged narcissist for undermining an independent candidate versus those of the Democratic Party--the party that she is a part of--and yet the man who has done nothing for 30 years except piggyback off others, especially the Dems, is some kind of martyr. And the person who didn't concede the Dem nomination until well after it was obvious he was going to lose is not chasing after power? Really great comment there!

Rich white bitch who learned the hard way that all her money couldn't buy her the thing she wanted most.

R378, He didnt lose to Clinton fair and square. The dnc tipped the scales in Clinton's favor. So did the media with their biased, disgusting, and foul behavior towards Bernie Sanders and his supporters.

If Mrs. Resting Bitch-face wants to run, run. We'll see what happens then, and you don't have to be clairvoyant to know.

Until she does, I'll shoot loads of crap her way on the regular to sit down and shut the fuck up, no matter how many microscopes it takes for the trolls to find out how much she's despised within her own party.

A guy who’s had heart problems in recent months and most likely wouldn’t even run for a second term despite having the task of cleaning up the worst mess this country has faced.

Nothing narcissistic about that!

Anyone who thinks the media treats or treated Sanders worse than anyone with the last name "Clinton" is a fool.

Norman Desmond and his last ditch vanity campaign.

Oh right, Bernie would have swept the south if it wasn't for that pesky DNC meddling. Jesus, the lies people tell themselves. She won in such embarrassingly large margins against him in the southern states, it is laughable. She won by 4 million votes over him! And the DNC is obviously going to support the person has been been a committed Dem for decades and has raised tons of money for it rather than the "independent" candidate who jumps at the chance to run as a Dem when it's convenient. It's just common sense.

So how many of you "Defenders of the Hill" have actually bought her books ?

We all know he's going nowhere, R390, and that a moderate will win the nomination. You just don't go alienating the voters who support that candidate with insults. It's what sank her last time. Now she's doing this again and causing the same angst. Bitch never learns.

Biden knows this. He called Sanders out and made him apologize and didn't go after supporters. Get a fucking clue, trolls. This isn't about her or her 'chances' anymore. It's about party unity and she keeps trying to relevant. She's not.

Between Bernie and Hillary, I don't know who actually has the biggest fan base, but Hillary definitely has the biggest ass.

Bernie Bros want Jane the Mother of the country. They've been sending in their pizza money that reaches the goddess of bankrupting colleges. That fits so nicely with free tuition.

She is a vile cunt who needs to shut the fuck up.

So for those trolls who claimed that Bernie bros ruined her chances by jumping the fence, understand why that happened. This behavoir is why. You don't claim supporters were basement dwellers and then expect them to support you.

Biden is staying far away from her and for good reason. He knows politics and that he'll need Bernie's supporters in those swing states. She can say whatever she likes, but it just drives more people away from her.

I'm glad she's not running. She doesn't have the termperment to be President.

Bernie couldn't tell the truth to Elizabeth. Hillary said what Elizabeth wants to say, but fears doing so

For Putin, Tulsi was the backup if Bernie faltered. These are the backups in case Trump fails

HRC has exposed what these Putin loyalists are doing, step by step.

R399, per the Mueller Report, I thought it was Jill Stein (not Tulsi) who was Bernie and Trump's backup?

So what does Hillary really think of Gays, other than the fact that our votes could be very beneficial to her ?

The only thing that Hillary exposed are those beefy cankles when she opts for a dress or skirt in favor of her trademark pantsuit.

[quote]So what does Hillary really think of Gays, other than the fact that our votes could be very beneficial to her ?

Actually it's not beneficial to her since she's not running for anything... So let's ask the relevant question. What does Bernie REALLY think of Gays and Blacks, other than the fact that those votes would be VERY beneficial to him?

The only thing that Bernie has exposed is his old, bony, get off my lawn, wagging finger as he convinces morons to give him another $27 so he can pocket the cash for another summer house.

[quote]I'm glad she's not running. She doesn't have the termperment to be President.

Says someone supporting a candidate who literally cannot get along with any of his co-workers?

Like Trump, Bernie may define himself by his enemies, the people who don't like him. He's "right" and they're "wrong," which appeals to so many of his followers. He's seen the light, he will lead the revolution. However, performing the job of president is not a revival meeting - you must get along with others, you must be able to compromise. What attracts people to Bernie is EXACTLY why he's be a shitty president.

[quote]So for those trolls who claimed that Bernie bros ruined her chances by jumping the fence, understand why that happened. This behavoir is why. You don't claim supporters were basement dwellers and then expect them to support you.

So you won't be screeching no fair when people do the same to Bernie because his supporters shout, "cunt!" at every opportunity, right?

R403, Bernie was defending gays when tr he Clintons were passing laws vilifying them.

He wasnt down with those racist crime Bill's that Biden wrote and Hillary enthusiastically supported.

Do tell ..... Does our delicate flower Mrs. Clinton still suffer from the vapors, and an occasional swooning in public on a warm summer day?

Do tell ..... Does our delicate flower Mrs. Clinton still suffer from the vapors, and an occasional swooning in public on a warm summer day?

[QUOTE] He wasnt down with those racist crime Bill's that Biden wrote and Hillary enthusiastically supported.

Uhh, Bernie voted for the Crime Bill, R408.

R403's response is the typical bitter response straight from the mouth of Hillary.

R412 typical response from some dumb Bernie fan who thinks logic and reframing a question a BernBro originally asked.

Hillary isn't running for anything so there is no "beneficial vote for her." Bernie is.

And Bernie VOTED FOR the Crime Bill.

But he also marched with Martin Luther King, Jr. too, right?

R4

"He's literally a socialist so no, dear, he would not have won in those swing states."

Trump won Michigan in the general election by only a few thousand votes.

Bernie Sanders had won the primary in Michigan. That's who Michigan's blue voters would have turned out for.

And I say this as someone who volunteered for every single get-out-the-vote shift for Hillary's campaign despite not liking her. And I say it as someone who's more into Warren than Sanders.

You're assumption that people in swing states must automatically shudder in horror at democratic socialism is wrong. Michigan, for example, has one of the strongest histories of pro-labor sentiment in the country due to the legacy of the automotive unions.

I suspect that YOU are in a large city on a coast and that YOU hate socialism. WE, in flyover world, don't necessarily suffer from those same illusions.

R414

"You're assumption..."

I'll just go ahead and Oh, dear! myself.

Oh, dear!

lol

Tom Nichols:

Democrats, while you're fighting among yourselves, here's something that should worry you. The reason so many formerly Trump-adjacent pundits and officials are now going all-in is because they think he's going to make it to a second term and they're suiting up for new jobs.

People who thought Trump was toast now see themselves as getting a new slot on FOX, or as a Deputy Assistant Secretary of Something once the next crop of guys are indicted or forced to resign.

They're playing odds they think are good odds. That should worry you.

It looks good if there's a fight to the nomination rather than a coronation.

After reading 413 posts, I can declare confidently that those who hate Clinton don't seem to have a concrete reason why, except that she is a "cunt," has "cankles" "stole the election from Bernie," "conspired with the DNC to favor her election." In other words, all attacks on her gender, but for the continuing, specious claim that the DNC somehow did something that common sense dictates -- support the Democratic candidate.

Bernie supporters seem to think that simply screaming, "cunt!" is sufficient to explain the relentless attacks and barely concealed misogyny. There are any number of reasons why a voter is turned off by Sanders. Despite that, his supporters insist that he will be some kind of revolutionary when his stint in the Senate is utterly devoid of significance. I would not have voted for Sanders, and did not vote for Sanders in the primary. Why would former Hillary supporters want to support a candidate whose base attacks them at every turn?

Clinton received more votes than anyone before her, despite all. Her supporters' votes were suppressed.he Russians actively attacked our election, changing tallies, weaponizing troll farms and bots, assisted by the most sophisticated companies in the world, including Cambridge Analytical. "But she was a terrible candidate." And you think Bernie was better, at least assumed to be better, because he lost the primaries by 4 million votes, stole election data from HRC, admitted to repeat campaign finance violations, has a legislative record of zilch, and has an oppo package a foot thick.

Tulsi Gabbard is also a Russian chaos agent. IMHO, so is Sanders.

🍪 Aren't those cookies done yet, Hillary?

🍶 Don't forget my milk.

R408, you realize that black leaders including the the Black Caucus, black pastors and black mayors also supported those crime bills in the 90s right? History has been rewritten by those who are "woke" to make it seem like Clinton was trying to instigate racism. This is the same thing "woke" people do with Don't Ask Don't Tell. The Republicans wanted to basically kick all gays out of the military, Don't Ask Don't Tell was the compromise.

[quote]Bernie Sanders had won the primary in Michigan. That's who Michigan's blue voters would have turned out for.

You're saying that Sanders voters refused to vote Clinton, yet you claim that Sanders voters didn't prevent Clinton from winning. You can't have it both ways.

R402! LOL! That's the kind of shade I visit DL for!

I yum een de beeg Vhite Howse, Mrs. Cleentun, end yoor not !

You can always tell the HillaryStans

They're the ones who take 800 words to say what can easily be said in 80

Personally I think Bernie is a cunt.

You can always tell who is a Bernie Stan.

They don't understand grammar, spelling, economics, finance, politics, life, etc.

Whatever you do, don't criticize Hillary on the Joe My God board -- at all! It's like a mirror image of the Trump cult over there.

Even the mildest of criticisms, and the torches will be lit, the pitchforks raised, you will be denounced as a Bernie Bro, and driven hence.

Funny considering Bernie and his cultists are the mirror image of Trump and his, everywhere.

Tbh, the war between Bernie’s deranged sycophants and the Trump red hats is one of the very few reasons I’d like to see him win the nomination. I mean you can’t ask for more entertainment than that.

I rarely see a hardcore Sanders supporter say much about Trump. I suspect if they're the candidates the online discourse is going to have more than a little "hey, we hate Hillary too, maybe you're not so bad after all" between them.

I think the Bernie Bros, the Hillary Hos, and the Trump MAGAs are very similar in their cultlike inability to hear any criticism.

Of course, the important distinction is that Trump is an idiot and a fascist and the other two are not.

For those who keep saying that the DNC worked against Bernie:

[quote] The irony is that Sanders was a prime beneficiary of this bias, not a victim of it. The losers were potential candidates like Vice President Joe Biden, Sen. Warren, or Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper — and, thus, Democratic primary voters, who ended up with few choices in 2016.

[quote] And then he got a gift. Clinton, in reality, didn’t just clear the Democratic field for herself — she cleared it for Sanders also. If he’d been running in a race that included Warren and Biden and Booker, it might have been a lot harder for his voice to break through. But he was really just running against Clinton and O’Malley. He was the only candidate representing the party’s populist-liberal wing and, given O’Malley’s failure to ignite voters, also the only candidate who offered Clinton’s critics a chance to stop her coronation.

[quote] None of this amounts to a rigging, or even anything particularly unusual. Brazile, for one, notes that she also worked to clear the field when she managed Gore’s 2000 campaign. “That’s politics,” she says. “There’s nothing wrong with that.”

[quote] It is not true that the Democratic Party “rigged” the contest in any illegitimate or nefarious fashion. Russian hackers found some emails from staffers at the Democratic National Committee favoring Clinton, but the committee did not take important steps to materially impair Sanders. Throughout the primary, some real (or putative) supporters of Sanders often claimed improprieties at the polls, but those largely failed to pan out. Sanders supporters also reacted to the prospect that Democratic Party superdelegates would give Clinton the nomination even in the face of a popular-vote defeat, but that scenario turned out to be moot in the face of Clinton’s clear win.

And these parts are important:

[quote] Notably, Robert Mueller’s investigation found that Russian social-media bots amplified Sanders’s message during the primary and circulated attacks on Clinton, many of them false. Sanders himself bore no responsibility for that social-media operation, but it is arguably a form of “rigging” — by Russia — more underhanded than any action taken on Clinton’s behalf.

[quote] Sanders withheld his endorsement of Clinton until the middle of July, and his delegates to the convention devoted much of their energy to vigorously protesting the proceedings. The booing from the audience was so loud that speakers either struggled through their remarks or stopped to plead with the delegates.

[QUOTE] I rarely see a hardcore Sanders supporter say much about Trump. I suspect if they're the candidates the online discourse is going to have more than a little "hey, we hate Hillary too, maybe you're not so bad after all" between them.

Believe me, should Donald Trump become the only thing standing between their dream of President Bernie and him going home a loser, there will be a major recalibration in tactics. They know this is Bernie’s last run.

Bernie can run?

R421

You're putting words in my mouth. I never said that there weren't Sanders supporters who stayed home instead of voting for Hillary (though I think that is blown way, way out of proportion. there's always some percentage of voters that stay home when their primary choice doesn't win. that happens in every election.)

In fact, that was my point. I was responding to a claim that moderates are favored in swing states by pointing out that in my crucial swing state of Michigan. That's not true. We don't get excited for corporate toady moderates like Mayo Pete, Clinton, Klobuchar, or Biden. Voter enthusiasm is a thing.

I think that you're imagining some construction of a "Typical BernieBro" to argue with that doesn't actually exist here (and isn't actually typical of Sanders supporters).

I preferred Bernie and ALSO volunteered thousands of hours for Hillary after he lost the primary.

I know that people like me don't exist in your mind. But we exist in reality. Sorry, I guess?

Bernie can run faster than Hillary.

🍟 🍔 🍕 Time To Break For Lunch !

[quote]Bernie can run faster than Hillary.

In a cash grab, for sure!

She definitely isn’t listening to Bill...is she?

Hillary can delete emails faster than Bernie.

He's not my first choice, but I think Bernie is going to win. Whenever you have everybody trying to stop your train, it usually means that you are winning. We saw the same thing in 2016 with Trump and the entire Republican party trying to stop him. Voters then get a kick out of sticking it to the establishment.

R437, it's not overblown at all. 8% of the people who voted for Sanders in the Michigan primary actually voted for Trump in the general. So that's about 40k people right there and we're not even counting those who went third party or those who stayed home. That 8% is just those who voted for Trump.

Sanders -> Trump voters…

WI: 51k

MI: 47k

PA: 116k

Trump win margin…

WI: 22k

MI: 10k

PA: 44k

R444, 12% voted for Trump and another 12% voted for other people like Jill Stein and a small percentage of that 12% just stayed home. That's even worse to me than voting for Trump. Imagine being so dumb, you throw away you vote for Jill Stein?

R444

When I say overblown, I'm thinking more of all the people who hear that a person supported Sanders in 2016 and then assume that person somehow helped Trump get elected (by voting Trump, staying home, voting Stein, whatever).

It's an insult to all of the Sanders supporters who volunteered for Clinton's campaign after Sanders lost the primary. And all of the Sanders supporters who voted for her.

I looked like the walking dead by election day volunteering for every get-out-the-vote shift for CLINTON despite strongly disliking her.

I don't deserve sneering contempt for supporting Bernie when I almost definitely devoted more of my time to helping Clinton than whatever supporter is sneering in my direction about "Bros".

[quote]I never said that there weren't Sanders supporters who stayed home instead of voting for Hillary

I never once said that you did. I said absolutely nothing about voters staying home.

[quote]I looked like the walking dead by election day

Pics please.

Actually, Ooze, I never said anything about "people like you," either. You constructed an argument I didn't even make and ranted about it, while accusing me of doing that to YOU.

R448

How many hours did you volunteer for your local Clinton campaign office per week in between the primary and general election days?

Because this Bernie Bro was in there volunteering an average of 4 hours on 4 nights per week.

How many?

Oh, you're just a boring troll. My mistake, Ooze, I thought you had some substance to you, but now I see you're just one of our regular everyday shit-stirrers trying to pick a fight.

Thanks r445/r446.

R447, you can thank Bernie for helping to make your job more difficult. Instead of graciously bowing out when it was clear to all but Bernie and his supporters that the math was against him, he went all scorched earth. He continued to bilk supporters of their money on an empty promise of being able to win and general nastiness regarding Clinton. He encouraged his supporters to continue to throw a tantrum right up to and during the convention in the hopes of a floor vote. I'll never forget his nasty demeanor at the convention with the camera constantly panning to his angry red face. THIS is why you had a hard time.

Researchers at Clemson University, at the request of The Washington Post, examined English-language tweets that came from Russia and found thousands that were designed to urge Sanders supporters to back Trump.

Of the Russian tweets the researchers analyzed, roughly 9,000 used the word "Bernie," which were "liked" 59,281 times and retweeted 61,804 times.

The tweets came from accounts masquerading as conservative Americans, with profiles that said things like, "Southern. Conservative Pro God. Anti Racism" and tweeted things like, "#BlackMenForBernie Leader Switches to Trump! I will Never Vote for Hillary, Welcome aboard the Trump Train."

They use Bernie for sure, but does he cooperate?

R453, but according to Bernie supports, Bernie was so amazingly helpful in campaigning for her after he lost. He had BETTER have campaigned for her after he fucking dragged out that primary nomination for a long fucking time, claiming the DNC rigged everything and he was a victim.

R453, but according to Bernie supports, Bernie was so amazingly helpful in campaigning for her after he lost. He had BETTER have campaigned for her after he fucking dragged out that primary nomination for a long fucking time, claiming the DNC rigged everything and he was a victim.

So is old Bernie back to being a Dem now or is he Undecided, I mean independent? I still don't understand how a party could allow someone who flip-flopped so much on his party affiliation to contest for the top nominee position to represent the party he won't commit to?

R431 The thing is, every candidate has weird cult-like supporters who project all kinds of stuff onto "their" candidate and are personally offended at any criticism. I'm a Sanders supporter, but I've gotten shit from the more cultish Sanders supporters when I've criticized some of his weak points.

The Young Turks should call themselves the Bernie Sanders Channel. They shamelessly promote him, even when they clearly disagree with him.

OK R454

I'm not completely convinced all this social media business really made that much of a difference. At worst it reinforced doubts about Clinton that people had already.

R459, no kidding. Hasan Piker is hot but very, very unhinged as various parts in this stream make perfectly clear.

Cute-but-insane

I’m mad for Hasan, but me thinks that he’s his uncle’s pet. But he’s woke as woke can be.

r206, He couldn't even beat the Biggest Loser so he was the runner up Biggest Loser. They get nothing.

I'm for Warren or Bernie and Hillary and Bill can take their endorsement and shove it. I don't want them contaminating either campaign.

Warren and Bernie together couldn’t defeat Trump. Either of them would win about five states and that’s being generous.

🙊Tulsi Gabbard has file a defamation suit against #LoudMouthHillary.

And what's your point, R467? A moron files a lawsuit against someone who never mentioned their name? Further proof people are desperate to use Hillary's name to further their agenda.... but Hillary's not relevant, right?

Try harder.

Sticks and stones, R468.

#HasBeenHillary should title her new book

[italic] Gin & Regrets

Sticks and stones, R468.

#HasBeenHillary should title her new book

[italic] Gin & Regrets

So basically... Once again... You can't respond to it address facts.

Got it.

Why would anyone other to respond to the BULLY @ R471.

You're as irrelevant as Hillary, and not worth the effort.

Why would anyone other to respond to the BULLY @ R471.

You're as irrelevant as Hillary, and not worth the effort.

Well, R473, sounds like it is worth the effort to you... you've responded twice.

And left out a b both times, r474.

Considering the civil suit filed by Tulsi, there's a lot of similarities between HIllary and OJ. It was only through a civil suit that guilt/liability was settled in court.

Are people so stupid that they can't understand that one cannot be considered "guilty" of defamation if they never said your name?

Are people so stupid that they can't understand that one cannot be considered "guilty" of a crime if one's name is "Clinton"?

Tell us what crime there would be guilt of in Tulsi's, "lawsuit."

We'll wait.

Not true, R477.

Tulsi has awful skin...pitted and pockmarked. Like Steve Bannon’s.

Tulsi's face looks just fine to me.

[quote]If a center to slightly center-left candidate like HRC...

WHY do people create this fake label out of MSM bullshit!? Hillary was not and is not "slightly left og center" In her eight years as a Senator, out of 100 senators she was determined to be the 8th most liberal!

Center would be number 50.

Center of the Democrats (roughly half the senate ) would be number 25

Center of the LIBERAL HALF of the Democrats would be number 12.

Hilary was more liberal than the majority of the Democratic caucus, but dopes kee[ this Bernbro "center right" bullshit alive with the help of every dingbat!

[quote]out of 100 senators she was determined to be the 8th most liberal!

To be fair, like her hot sauce, her voting was strictly based on her ambitious scheme to get the nomination and then control the presidency.

R483, according to Bernie supporters, anyone to the right of Bernie (i.e. not an idiot) is conservative.

Which is funny, R485, because I waded into a political thread last night and woke up this morning to about 25 replies from Sanders supporters, nearly all of whom had spent the last 24 hours being a bunch of racist, homophobic pieces of shit. Two had tweeted @gaywonk to tell him he was a gross faggot covered in jizz and feces; I guess he said something critical of Bernie. Lots of use of "gay" as an insult, like we were back in 1996 again.

I'm not kidding when I say not a single one of those 25 dipshits who replied to me because I suggested that maybe Bernie wasn't perfect acted like a normal person. They were all angry, bigoted, spreading conspiracy theories, and two were issuing death threats to people.

Hilarious that they call everyone else conservative, when they act like Trumpsters themselves.

R486, that's messed up! I read this elsewhere but Bernie really is the foil to Obama. Obama campaigned on change but also being pragmatic. Bernie campaigns on "starting a revolution" and lacks any sort of pragmatism or realism, as comments from Nader, Clinton and Barney Frank attest to. Both had devout supporters but Obama supporters were not mentally unstable and nasty the way Bernie's are. I swear, if Bernie gets the nomination or even wins the presidency, I will be waiting for his supporters to blow up when he can't get anything done. It will be interesting to see who they blame for his failures.

These Bernie supporters saying we are being hypocritical for not wanting to vote for him after what he did in 2016 need to shut their mouths, ASAP.

I don't know why "depends on the nominee" is even an option. That is the same thing as answering "no". The question "will you support ANY democratic nominee" in the general election requires a "yes" or "no" response, that's it. "Depends on the nominee" is a vote for "no".

Bernie supporters are authoritarian lovers who care more about their potential power to disrupt an election (again) than they do about anything else. I'd bet all the money in the world that once Bernie is gone, most will gravitate toward whatever populist authoritarian the GOP coughs up.

Authoritarian? Sanders supporters? The idea!

R490 Stop lying

[quote]To be fair, like her hot sauce, her voting was strictly based on her ambitious scheme to get the nomination and then control the presidency.

Are you Andrea Mitchell, Chuck Todd, or Politico?

If not you are just a Hillary Hater.

I made an error, HRC was the 11th most liberal Senator, not 8th, sorry about that.

Possibly Maureen Dowd, r493.

[quote]dopes kee[ this Bernbro "center right" bullshit alive with the help of every dingbat!

I didn't say Clinton was "center right," first of all, and only trolls or the terminally lazy who refuse to do a quick ignore-dar check would ever think I was a "Bernbro" [sic].

The Democratic Party in the U.S. is made up of a spectrum of politicians but is, as a whole, center-left. Comparing Clinton's voting record with other Democrats in the Senate doesn't mean anything, it's just telling us where on the Democratic Party spectrum she fell, not where she falls in the overall political spectrum.

My point was (and remains) that she was more than moderate enough politically to appeal to a wide range of voters, whereas Sanders will be portrayed incessantly as a Jewish Socialist -- which he is -- and that doesn't appeal to as many voters as a moderate Democrat does.

Usually I think people like you know exactly why what you said was wrong, but in your case, I think you genuinely have no idea how confused you sound.