Kathy Bates On #MeToo - If You Go To A Hotel Room It's Consensual

Well, what little chance she had of winning that 2nd Oscar has now vanished entirely.

It's ok, as long as it's consensual.

I wouldn't think she'd ever be casting couch material.

She's not wrong. A reckon the vast majority of Harvey Weinstein's "victims" knew the score.

Kathy Bates made it on talent and hard work alone, I don’t blame her for being a bit salty.

This won't end well.

Theyre not "traumatized" because HW "forced" them to perform oral sex on him, theyre pissed off because they blew HW thinking he would advance their career and he didnt.

Steven King, Kathy Bates..it seems more and more big names are now unafraid of the woke-tards.

Well what if you go to the hotel room prepared for a bj or basic fuck and he goes all un-lubed anal on you and he weighs 350 lbs.... not saying Harvey ever did that but just going to the hotel room doesn’t means anything goes.

R9 According to his "victims," Harvey liked pretty basic stuff. I was surprised at how many of them reported that he performed oral sex ON THEM.

How can an unarmed man, without using threats of, or actual using physical harm, force a woman to blow him? They allowed his dick past their lips, between their open jaws, thrusting in and out until he reaches orgasm?? BITE IT IF YOU DONT WANT TO DO IT!!

As my mother would say "You don't go to a man's hotel room to stuff peppers."

I doubt Miss Bates had to worry about that much.

Go to his hotel room- Consent? Possibly. Stay when he appears in a robe-Consent? Maybe. Stay when he asks for massage-Consent? Probably. Stay and watch when he gets naked/showers-Consent? Definitely. Stay and watch when he starts manipulating himself-Consent? Absolutely!

Yes, I agree that some of the accusers are just bitter D listers, but only the ones who accepted getting paid off for their silence, which, as I understand it, is not the majority, only the majority of women who were publicized excessively. For her all ability to portray the nuances of the human condition, I don't think Kathy truly grasps the nuances of power, and the imbalances and abuses that come with it. She doesn't seem like she even tried to understand. Instead, she is like so many in this world who shame the victim as if she was "asking for it", muddying the waters for victims of sexual abuse, because that's what she's basically saying! Kinda fucked up.

Some of the women were really really young when it happened. Is she really going to say that they ALL knew? Each and every single woman, no matter her age? What about their experiences in the industry? That's some black and white thinking there, Kathy. Tbh her comment smacks of someone who is a little bitter herself. And I LIKE Kathy, a lot!!

When someone has the power to not only bury your career, but your reputation, because of the insane amount of privilege (not SJW privilege) that he wielded over newspapers, tabloids, Hollywood, the Academy, the foreign press association, AND the Israeli spies that he paid to blackmail his victims, some of whom refused the payout, a lot of the women didn't really have a choice. Either suck his dick and maybe get a career, refuse to suck his dick and be blacklisted, or quit your career and let hundreds if not thousands of hours of your time and energy go down the toilet. It's not jus sexual abuse, but the abuse of POWER itself, and all the shades of gray in between. Come on, Kathy, get some nuance!!

It's really too bad that the only spokeswoman for the MeToo Movement that was ever kinda sorta taken seriously was the narcissistically inclined, batshit fucking crazy Rose McGowan. I hear that Farrow's book is a great read, maybe Kathy should take a look at it so that she doesn't sound so ignorant. With her massive platform, she should think more about how her words effect victims of abuse, but of course she won't.

Wasn't he holding business meetings with women in his hotel room with other people present in the beginning? So then when the other people left and Harvey disrobed they had already consented to sex just by being present in the room?

R16 Excellent point. Catch and Kill is required reading for anyone who wants to use their highly influential platform to speak on this with some authority.

There was a British actress who said he raped her twice. In in her flat in London and again in her hotel room in Cannes...yet when she tells the story of Cannes, she doesn't fill in the part where he manages to go from the street where he runs into her, to her hotel room.

Some of these women who were "looking for work" in Harvey's hotel room also went back to the room even after he made his move. Don't cry when you didn't listen to your mother about meeting strange men in a hotel room, You WHORES.

Did she lie??? Even people not in Hollywood know damn well you don’t do business in a fucking hotel room. If you are asked to meet with someone for something that involves business, it’s either at an office building or restaurant. Anywhere else you know is bad news.

you can change your mind after the fact.

but yeah,business meeting are not held in private hotel rooms.

this was a exchange, not rape. nubile flesh in exchange for movie stardom.

You don't go to a hotel room for a business meeting, especially at night. Especially when the man is Harvey Weinstein. I mean Jesus, he had a reputation as a creep for years before the sexual assaults were common knowledge.

And surely he was famous for his "hotel room interviews" after a while. Gurls TALK.

I think the point of the metoo movement is that just because you can, doesn't mean you should. Weinstein should not be fucking or trying to fuck his clients because the power imbalance creates a conflict of interest. Why else do you think it's major companies enforce rules against dating your boss? And Weinstein shouldn't use that power to make or break them. If a woman is offering him sex, he should've declined and fucked a whore, who gets paid for that. The onus is on Weinstein, no matter how much Ugly Kathy wants to shame victims. What a bitchy thing to do, btw.

[24] [15] so absoultely tedious--yes, YOU Two.

Here's a perspective from someone who actually works in this business. Unlike what you say, holding informal meetings at hotel lobbies, room lobbies (some suites have their own lobbies) is still fairly common, even after #metoo.

When Lupita Nyongo writes about getting a massage from Harvey at her meeting, she isn't lying. There's a reason this business is known for its informalities. Many people question why was Harvey not exposed before, and his power was just a part of the deal. The other part is that because this is a business where informality is rampant and people touching and kissing each other, specially actors, is the norm, it becomes very hard to know who did what deliberately.

It's also true that many of HW victims consented to his advances, but many more didn't. Unfortunately the ones suing him right now apparently did, one went as far as sending an I love you email after the "rape".

Casting couch happens in every business, this idea that it is somehow a Hollywood invention is the right wingers idea of arts in general.

R2 should be blocked for liking from that shithole

Hey full comments are much more measured. Thanks for not posting OP

Many castings were done in hotel rooms or halls. This was common in the entertainment business until recently. Kathy Bates should know that.

R26 R29 Kathy's just playing to the "she was asking for it" majority. Bitter Bates. Someone should call her out and soon.

So does he have herpes? Any victims got if from him?

[quote] “About people like Weinstein and the casting couch and all of that,” she says, “I have a confession. In my day, if you went up to a guy’s hotel room, you knew exactly why you were going and in those days it was consensual. Times were different, but I really support the women who are coming forward now and I’m not happy about the men who are being accused falsely – but the ones who deserve all they’re getting, my feeling is hey, go for it.”

That's the fuller quote. R28, thanks for posting the Guardian article.

[quote]I wouldn't think she'd ever be casting couch material.

I dunno, Kathy looks pretty stain-resistant to me.

Of course Kathy Bates is right, but she will pay a price for committing heresy against the woke religion.

It's kind of amazing how many people didn't read the full article or quote.

[quote]I wouldn't think she'd ever be casting couch material.

Why not?

“Casting couch happens in every business, this idea that it is somehow a Hollywood invention is the right wingers idea of arts in general.”

Hm, not to the same extent. I can’t name anyone in my field like Weinstein, a major player known to fuck almost all of his female protégés as a job requirement. Yes it happens but it’s not business as usual.

[quote]Unlike what you say, holding informal meetings at hotel lobbies, room lobbies (some suites have their own lobbies) is still fairly common, even after #metoo.

Anyone who agrees to meet at a hotel for a Hollywood “business meeting“ alone or without their agent/manager is a fucking idiot.

Lol R33

She’s right. It might not be “feminist”, but that’s the way it goes. A person with power and money is going to have people saying yes to him before he even asks.

Women know this.

Bates went up during a different time.

This is a great excuse to reference the legendary Debette Goldry.

I love all the skits with her. But, this a nugget.

I got sucked in. They did this one right after #MeToo broke. The writing isn't as good, but McKinnon sells it.

Margot Robbie can't hold it together most of the skit. I wouldn't have been able to either.

Melissa McCarthy guest stars. This was the third skit of the 2016-2017 season.

"It wasn't in the script. It's just that people have limits."

This is a little out of touch.

In the business world, when someone is in from out of town, it is pretty common to have business meetings in hotel suites.

You would not necessarily know that sex is expected if there is a genuine deal or contract to be discussed.

Does that question need to be asked, R37?

R36^

Kathy knows how to enter a hotel room properly.

why a hotel suite and not the hotel restaurant, lobby or conference room?

the deal includes a side of ass but does not guarantee career longevity or movie stardom of the type julia roberts enjoyed most of her career.

I believe these women about their stories

That said why didn't any of these women bring their agent or manager to the meeting in the hotel room? If a studio head wants to discuss a potential role, doesn't it make sense to bring their representatives to the meeting as well?

If you read any Old Hollywood history, basically from the 1920s through to the 1970s at least, every producer worth anything had a hotel suite specifically for meetings, and going to a hotel suite didn't automatically mean you were expected to put out for a role. It probably still goes on today, but my interest is in older Hollywood and that's mostly what I read about.

Of course there were consensual encounters, but Bates (and others) always forget that there's a power imbalance there, and for every major superstar who slept with the right producer, there are probably dozens or hundreds of actors and actresses who were desperate and broke and taken advantage of, who were given false promises. And then there were people who were frankly better actors than those who got hired, but never got a chance because they didn't put out.

That's what the problem with the casting couch is.

“And then there were people who were frankly better actors than those who got hired, but never got a chance because they didn't put out.”

Goes a long way to explaining why so much of the acting we see on TV and in the movies is such ass.

I live in Atlanta and the theater scene here has so many talented actors - I never could understand why the acting was so much better here in provincial theater than in Hollywood, but that question has been answered now.

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She gave away anal for bit parts.

Jennifer Lawrence, Charlie Theron and Cameron Diaz were all consensual with Harvey. Ride that pole, up and down. Yes, yes, yes.

These ho’s all knew what the deal was. Please.

Renée, Gwyneth and Angelina also consented.

[quote]Bates said: “In my day, if you went up to a guy’s hotel room, you knew exactly why you were going and in those days it was consensual."

That's why you don't see many older actresses jumping on the #MeToo bandwagon. They have more common sense than these naive, woke younger actresses.

Any top actress should have sense enough to take her assistant along for a meeting with a big producer in his hotel room, especially one with a bad reputation like Weinstein.

Kathy Bukkake

She is right. You don't "take a meeting" in a hotel room, especially at midnight. And Bah Humbug, Get Off My Lawn to the cliche of fucking for a role. "Fuck me and you can star in KLUTE? Now really..

Kathy told them to turn off the lights and then she presented her butthole for parts.

[quote] Of course Kathy Bates is right, but she will pay a price for committing heresy against the woke religion.

She’s got enough “fuck you” money to weather the storm.

R15, read R7 again.

And I LOVE R12’s mother!

With Kathy, how could anyone tell the difference between the back and the front?

There is no question Harvey abused his power, but you have to wonder why so many women didn't come forward. Is it because they felt they couldn't be believed, or was it because they benefited from it? Many of those women would have thrown their female colleagues under the bus if it meant protecting their own status. However, Weinstein did get his comeuppance eventually. No matter what happens to him at the trial, he'll die alone.

R49, lobby's and restaurants are for short preliminary meetings. But when you are discussing budgets, schedules, logicistics etc. at length you you want a quieter place and more privacy.

Conference rooms are rented for larger groups but if you are just two or three people, it is almost always in the suite.

The Harvey women that were consensual did it for their career, plus for Jennifer Lawrence, she thought he was cute and enjoyed it.

Yes, R7 pretty much sums it up.

[quote] lobby's and restaurants are for short preliminary meetings.

Do you really think the plural of lobby is lobby’s?!

[Quote]Do you really think the plural of lobby is lobby’s?!

No, she thinks it's lobbys.

No, R63. I am just a careless typist.

That was both mean and funny, R69.

a bunch of god damned idiots in this thread. women are safer for you homos not wanting them

Yes, what a great way to use a spelling mistake to negate R66's ENTIRE comment, idiot R69.

But yes, Kathy knows that the majority of people don't take rape seriously, and that intellectual exercises in the dynamics of abusive power is too complicated to process in a sound bite for people, so she's just catering to them in a bid to clean up the hit her reputation took for starring that box office bomb Richard Jewell.

[quote] Yes, what a great way to use a spelling mistake to negate R66's ENTIRE comment, idiot R69.

Oh and how deep and introspective that comment was!

MARY!

Be that as it may, Weinstein is a serial rapist.

Of course most of it is consensual, it's only rape when calling it rape can earn you brownie points from the press.

R15 I disagree. When you are legally an adult you are responsible for your actions. The #metoo movement should have talked about underage victims. The ones who actually can't give consent. But instead we hightlighted a bunch of grown up has-beens who regretted having sex with a director. Regret isn't rape.

[quote]why a hotel suite and not the hotel restaurant, lobby or conference room?

That’s what I want to know. No way in hell am I going to someone’s private room for a business meeting.

R79 for the right price you might!

Plus these rooms are like Holiday Inns. They're massive multi-room suites.

When I think of “massive multi-room suites,” Holiday Inn is the first place that comes to mind.

If you were a young actor, and John Travolta asked you to his hotel suite to talk about a possible movie role, you would know what you're getting into.

R82 AREN'T*

Muriel, give us an EDIT button.

Team Kathy these “beautiful” actresses knew exactly what they were getting themselves into..the gullible act is tiresome!

I'm just a nobody from nowhere, but I've gotten the impression that quite a lot of Hollywood business takes place in hotel rooms. LA press events are held in hotels, parties are held in hotels, meetings with out-of-town bigwigs take place in their hotel suite, when filming is done on location the main hotel becomes the business center, when the bigwigs travel outside LA they hold business meetings in their suites, etc.

So yes, when someone young and hot gets an invitation for "... the two of us to go up to my hotel room" they have a pretty good idea what's up with what, but what if they get a message saying "Please meet Mr. Bigwig-Producer at Suite #111 at the Plaza"? It might actually be a business meeting!

I love how people try to justify the idea that actresses are that naive. It's a little sexist, honestly, to assume that women are too stupid to understand implication and subtext. Oh well, whatever fits their narrative and gets them trending on Twitter, I guess.

Kathy Bates is from Memphis, you know.

Elvis is not from Memphis.

I think it’s called extortion, not consensual.

is she going to get cancelled? cause i really enjoy her performances.

Kathy Master Bates men for jobs.

Kathy's too old, too talented, and too female to be cancelled.

And admit it, everyone is assuming she wouldn't know much about sexual harrassment.

I'm sure there were some that fucked him for their career, but at some point he clearly became an obsessive rapist, demanding fucking, pressuring for fucking, never shutting up about the fucking. Threatening and rapey. That is what happens eventually for these guys. They may start out just fucking the willing in return for favors. Eventually it becomes fucking by pressure, by lying, by force.

r94 you make a good point

Some really seemed to love him

R96 They loved him when their careers were good and didn't when their careers went sour. Notice how all of the #MeToo actresses going after Weinstein were has-beens like Rose McGowan and Paz De La Huerta. I don't think that Weinstein's innocent and clean, but I also don't think this #MeToo stuff was born out of noble and heroic intentions. More like actresses upset that their careers went to shit as they aged and turning the consensual (albeit slimy) method of the casting couch into a rape machine to regain some of the fame they'd lost. It's all very Norma.

Harvey was no different than past studio heads. If you wanted an A list project, and you were under 40, you had to ride the pole.

Has anyone else noticed you have to be really young and willing if you don’t come with some clout?

Kathy probably only got noticed because she presented hole.

R97, you are missing the actresses who said no and found their careers torpedoed.

Do not forget that Peter Jackson confirmed that Weinstein told him not to hire Mira Sorvino and Ashley Judd--who just happen to have been two actresses who would not play ball.

Why minimize Weinstein's actions because you do not like some of his accusers? Their motives do not change his actions---and there are plenty of actresses who never came forward whom he damaged.

This is the problem with people who use gossip to make decisions. Being told" this girl is a headache" was enough for hear to not cast one of these women? Did he ask why the women were problematic?

More women didn't come forward because they were embarrassed that everyone on earth would know that they were just trading cooter for roles, and acting in a shameful ho manner. That's why!

And there's not really anything wrong with trading something you've got for something you want, but ladies, let's keep it real!

My grandmother told my sister and me shortly before she died that when she was a bank manager, her boss made her go to a conference with him. There, he told her to go up to his room with him. She declined. He told her she needed to go up to his room. She said no, she is married and has two girls and needs to get some rest. He told her something like, “I don’t think you understand why I brought you here. You’re here for your job. This conference is necessary for you to keep your job. Do you understand what I’m telling you?”

She told us she told him she understood and she went home and expected to be fired. She wasn’t fired, but she didn’t advance after that.

So perhaps Bates may be technically correct in some cases that going up to the man’s room implies some level of consent. But when the option is “consent to sex with me or you don’t get a paycheck,” that certainly complicates matters.

[quote]naive, woke younger actresses

Almost no one in Hollywood is "woke." You don't know what "woke" means. Like "SJW" and "Millennial," it's just lazy Datalounge speak for "kids these days."

I don't know why so many people here are clamoring for the good old days of when women had to fuck for parts and cross their fingers that they weren't just being used and actually WOULD get a break, but that's Datalounge for ya.

All those classes in Ibsen and Shaw, to wind up kneeling before HW for a role as a comic book character.

If you're a young actor who is invited to an all male pool party by a director who might get you a part, you know what's going on.

At least some of the women were asked by a female assistant to go to Harvey Weinstein’s hotel suite, and the female assistant was present and admitted the women into the suite. I don’t think it’s a sign of naivety or ignorance to assume that that was a safe environment and that the women who went there would not be expected to have sex for a role.

That Weinstein and his co-conspirators did that is intentionally deceptive and in these cases Kathy Bates’s argument loses all its merit. If a man says, wink wink, come on up for a drink and I will make things happen for you, that is very different than an assistant telling you her busy boss would like to meet in his executive suite and that she will be there to let you in.

I work at a national education association that has a lot of conferences, and it is standard operating procedure for executives to stay in executive suites in hotel rooms and to host both one-on-one and group business meetings in the suite. The suites always include conference or dining tables and are set up specifically for this reason. Bates may be wise to perceive that some men are predatory when they ask women up to their suites, but an invitation to an executive’s hotel suite in no way constitutes an agreement to suck his dick. That’s idiotic.

With Weinstein it wasn't just the one assistant but often several people in the suite with them. There was some question as to who knew what was going on; the assistant did, apparently, but some of the other people apparently had no idea Weinstein was using them to make the place look safe for a starlet who had been invited.

R108 Weinstein really is a predator and not just a lech. What he did was deceptive and coercive and in some cases it was, as Whoopi Goldberg would say, rape-rape.

I wish Kathy Bates had not said this.

R100, it was not gossip. The guy putting up the money told Jackson that he should not hire those actresses because they were difficult to work with.

Why would Jackson not trust the word of someone who knew them? And who was funding the project...

[quote] Do not forget that Peter Jackson confirmed that Weinstein told him not to hire Mira Sorvino and Ashley Judd--who just happen to have been two actresses who would not play ball.

They seem to have done ok.

R111, but they were eliminated from consideration for a hugely lucrative project because they would not have sex with Weinstein.

They may be doing fine, but that is not the issue. One cannot legally eliminate someone from a hiring pool because they refuse to grant sexual favors.

(I hate to imagine what goes on in your workplace if this kind of ethical issue is so baffling.)

R105 The men never complain, I can think of only about 2 instances of males MeToo-ing and both of them were actors with dead careers who weren't taking down the casting couch. Anthony Rapp and Terry Crews.

“ Though the sordid tales of Hollywood sexual abuse that have proliferated in the #MeToo era cover a wide range of experiences, most of them have one thing in common: they’re told by women. The men who have come forward—including Crews, Anthony Rapp, James Van Der Beek, Brendan Fraser, Bill & Ted’s Excellent Adventure star Alex Winter, The Man in the High Castle’s Michael Gaston, and several male models who spoke out about the powerful photographers Bruce Weber and Mario Testino—have faced a unique set of challenges, from naysayers who believe men groping other men is just horseplay to a heightened stigma that makes male accusers less likely than female ones to identify themselves as survivors—and makes it more difficult for them to process emotions born of trauma.”

The models:

“Ryan Locke, Robyn Sinclair and Terron Wood. Each said he had experienced sexual harassment during his time modeling.“

“The men recalled, with remarkable consistency, private sessions with Mr. Weber in which he asked them to undress and led them through breathing and “energy” exercises. Models were asked to breathe and to touch both themselves and Mr. Weber, moving their hands wherever they felt their “energy.” Often, Mr. Weber guided their hands with his own.”

“In accounts going back to the mid-1990s, 13 male assistants and models who have worked with the photographer Mario Testino, a favorite of the English royal family and Vogue, told The Times that he subjected them to sexual advances that in some cases included groping and masturbation.”

It isn’t only women who are sexually intimidated or assaulted by powerful people. It is usually men who do the intimidating or assaulting.

It’s just a lame argument to suggest that women who have been traumatized by machinations by multiple people to get the dick of a fat old ogre in their mouths “wanted it” and “knew the score.” That is not the case. Either you’re not bothering to listen to details of their stories, which are all very similar, or else you just think that whatever happens to a woman in Hollywood is her fault because she pursued an attention-seeking career. Working in entertainment is work. It’s a job. One that involves a ton of meetings in a ton of locations, and often in hotels. A lot of business is conducted in the Rodeo Lounge at the Beverly Hills Hotel. Being told by an assistant to meet people there for a meeting does not carry a subtext that you’re going to get pounded by an old executive for a part. It’s like when you go to your job and have meetings. You’d be alarmed if someone pulled his dick out and told you to blow him during a meeting because it’s alarming and insane, whether that happens in your office or at a hotel. Fuck.

Brendan Fraser:

“That summer, he ran into Philip Berk, then a former president of the Hollywood Foreign Press Association, which hosts the Golden Globes. (Berk would later serve as president of the organization again.) Fraser was on his way out of an HFPA luncheon at the Beverly Hills Hotel. Berk reached out to shake his hand, Fraser says, and then groped him: “His left hand reaches around, grabs my ass cheek, and one of his fingers touches me in the taint,” Fraser tells Baron. “And he starts moving it around.”

R8

Breitbart called, you dingdong. They want you back.

Your gay ass would still be tentatively peeking out the closet door if it wasn't for "woke-tards" standing up for your regressive, reactionary, ignorant self.

You: "Being socially conscious is frickin' dumb!"

Also You: "Can I Still Haz Rights Tho pweeze?"

[quote] why a hotel suite and not the hotel restaurant, lobby or conference room?

People closing deals in Hollywood or the Entertainment industry stay at very expensive suites with their own lobbies as I said upthread. It's fairly common even in other industries as someone here already pointed out.

It's the informality of this business that attracted the Wall Street crowd who wanted to make money but didn't want to have to deal with formalities. Were you born yesterday?

At this point you're just looking for something to pick on. You sound like conservative church ladies out of the bible belt.

[quote] That said why didn't any of these women bring their agent or manager to the meeting in the hotel room? If a studio head wants to discuss a potential role, doesn't it make sense to bring their representatives to the meeting as well?

No it doesn't. Agents barely do their jobs of connecting you with a project, let alone babysit you in a meeting, are you kidding me? You're lucky if they even get you a gig and call you to let you know. No manager or agent will chaperone you unless you're underage. Sometimes they're present at the closing deal, when you're signing the contract, then you have a lawyer present too.

Yeah, an agent or a manager is not a personal assistant. They broker connections and they negotiate pay rates but they do not chaperone or babysit. And it would probably be awkward for most people to bring a personal assistant to a meeting with a high-ranking executive. I’m sure some people who had to meet with Weinstein wondered who they could bring with them because of rumors but ultimately decided to go with the norm and just to get out if he turned out to be freaky. People walk into trouble all the time but that is not justification for raping or coercing or intimidating anyone.

I love how people try to minimize the man's actions.

If the women were stupid or even willing, how does that make the man less culpable?

Thinking about Brendan Fraser getting his taint fingered is making me kind of hot.

It was documented R121!

No A-list celebrity travels alone, especially to business appointments. They ALWAYS take along an assistant, at minimum. If you go to a man's hotel room alone, you're looking for dick.

I remember reading an interview with an actress who was young during the 50s. She said all the young women knew you were expected to sleep with the director or producer. If you refused there was another one right behind you who would. That's why years ago if you became an actress it was tantamount to being a prostitute.

Older actresses knew what the score was. Weinstein the pig deserves what's coming to him but people talk. And a lot in any business. Even his secretary admits she knew what was going on. It really indicts an entire whorish industry. Not only men but women as well. As we know from Ms Maxwell certain women can be just as evil as men when given the chance.

YOU’RE DAMAGING AN ENTIRE INDUSTRY, R124!

[quote] No A-list celebrity travels alone, especially to business appointments.

Except these weren’t A-list celebrities (then).

Ask Annabella Sciorra what not going to HW's hotel room could've done to your career. There's an aspect of blackmail in it - not saying that a number of them weren't perfectly willing participants who only started washing their hands off him once the whistle was blown, but I'm pretty sure that a number of the women were not comfortable with the arrangement but if your alternative is to struggle finding work, well, you do what you are basically forced to do. Any industry in which it's deemed acceptable that you could get blacklisted for not being willing to spread your legs needs to be seriously reexamined. I wonder if some of you are so dumb to think that coercion could only be physical?

R127 yes, they are dumb enough to think that. The regressive ignorance in this thread is astounding, but not that surprising. Rape is still so taboo in our culture that people in general still deny its existence when faced with having to deal with its consequences. It's sickening that there are people out there, and in this thread, that are making excuses for a fucking RAPIST!! I hope that with time, this movement will be less misunderstood.

It's not rape if there's consent, R128.

[quote] No A-list celebrity travels alone, especially to business appointments. They ALWAYS take along an assistant, at minimum. If you go to a man's hotel room alone, you're looking for dick.

Really shows you're either a flyoverstan frau or a clueless gay with no idea how this machine works. No assistant is going with people to meetings. Assistants are running errands all day and doing all the mundane tasks the celebrity isn't. The closer an assistant goes to a meeting is driving a celebrity to the place. Most of the time, not even that.

[quote] R97: They loved him when their careers were good and didn't when their careers went sour...

It may be the other way around. A successful actress might want to stay away from this like it’s the plague. Others would be afraid of hiring them. So, this may be the reason that it’s mostly has-beens who are complaining.

I was sexually harassed three times. It was embarrassing, even though I had nothing to do with the cause of it or the actions. I didn’t report one of them because the person left me alone, but it was all very weird.

It's so much easier to blame the women. Sorry, Miss Bates your not getting a Oscar for that boring ass Richard Jewell.

She's somewhat right, just like the Epstein girls that didn't look like they were having a bad time fooling around with Prince Andrew.

It's not consent if it is coerced, R129

[quote] Sorry, Miss Bates your not getting a Oscar for that boring ass Richard Jewell.

Oh, DEAR!

You can not read or you are deliberately misreading my comments.

It’s best for the Hollywood A listers to just shut it when it comes to #metoo. Just be silent.

I kind of agree. If I were invited up to a hotel room for a "meeting" I'd know what he was expecting. If it's a legit meeting it will be at an office, or at least a hotel meeting room or the cocktail lounge.

Do I think he forced himself? Yes, but I also these women have to have suspected something. Maybe they thought they could fob him off with a few kisses and a snuggle.

If you put the whole head in, it’s consensual.