George Washington was a friend to the gays

[quote] He hired the openly gay Baron von Steuben to train the troops.

“Train” them, huh, OP?

Heh heh.

Jim Mattis (4 star general and secretary of defense) did exactly the same thing! He surrounded himself with gay assistants. I think some straight men really like cossetting gay men.

[quote]One of his aides, Pierre-Étienne Du Ponceau, recalls a particularly wild party given at Valley Forge. “His aides invited a number of young officers to dine at our quarters,” he wrote, “on condition that none should be admitted, that had on a whole pair of breeches.” The men dined in torn clothing and, he implied, no clothing at all.

R3 Woo-hoo! Rumors swirl around General Mattis partying pants-less with aides but no proof!

Judging from that portrait Baron von Steuben looks a lot like Kevin Spacey.

He became close to William North and Benjamin Walker, aides-de-camp who seem to have been involved in their own romantic relationship, and lived with them for two years in camp. It’s likely that von Steuben became romantically and sexually involved with North, though it’s not clear how close he was to Walker. When the war ended, Baron von Steuben was granted U.S. citizenship and moved to New York with North and Walker. “We love him,” North wrote, “and he deserves it for he loves us tenderly.”

Washington is today believed to have actually crossed the Delaware to get some of the really GOOD vanilla in Trenton — Steuben was in such a mood because he didn’t have any.

Dearest Lucille,

The winds of freedoms stir around us as the frozen rivers of oppression slowly give way to shores of hope and victory. I pray I will be delivered soon to your warmest of busom and be of the rumoured few that escape the desirous eye of Gen. Washington, but such is the cruelest fate of men in possession of fleshy hindquarters. Until we meet again My Dearest, I remain yours, faithfully, BILL T.

I guess that explains why he never hit on me.

Balderdash! Everyone knows there were no sodomites in America until 1846 and they shot him.

The steam room at Valley Forge was notorious.

I know why they called Washington The Potomac Stallion.

I've heard tell that Washington was MORE than a friend if you get my drift.

Does this mean Adam Lambert will play me on Broadway?

Here's a portrait of William North. Stueben liked them young and pretty.

You rang Bill?

I think he's stubendous!

First in war, first in peace, first in the holes of his countryMEN.

[quote] Washington also assigned gay lovers Alexander Hamilton and John Laurens to be his personal aides

Correction.

Don't you mean, his AIDS?

It was war, OP, I'm pretty sure Washington was doing a lot more than "befriending" these men.

R8, you, sir, are brilliant.

So he was following the Alexander the Great blueprint for troops?

[quote]Woo-hoo! Rumors swirl around General Mattis partying pants-less with aides but no proof!

R2, R3, R4 Yes! And in the book by one of his speechwriters - Holding the Line - former Top Gun Guy Snodgrass, tells of being on staff on the road with the General. He would keep his hotel room door ajar and receive staff without his pants on, just a dress shirt and socks.

Interesting article OP, thanks for sharing.

Though I couldn't but think it would make a very funny farce after reading that "With his strict drills, showy presence and shrewd eye for military strategy, he helped turn them into a military powerhouse" -- imagining him as a flashy Prussian queen choreographing the way the troops drilled and marched as if it were a Broadway show and shrieking at them that they needed to put more passion into it. making Betsy Ross design flashier uniforms to go with the flag....

Now we know why he slept in so many places.

George Washington WAS gay.

There is tons of evidence, particularly in letters to his male lover.

[quote]I guess that explains why he never hit on me. —Olivia DeHavilland

That and your being old enough to be his Grandma.

[quote] That and your being old enough to be his Grandma.

Plus, you're quite cunty.

It ain't fittin', it just ain't fittin'!

[quote] There is tons of evidence, particularly in letters to his male lover.

That was Abraham Lincoln

No, it was George Washington.

Apparently, he had a male lover when he was younger.

So now he's Daddy of His Country?

Wait. What? So Washington also had a male lover???

Links please.

But let’s not talk about those wooden teeth blowjobs.

Ow, the splinters!

[quote] So Washington also had a male lover???

More than one, honey.

This story doesn't surprise me at all.

I heard of an account several years ago that a family found love letters in their old home from Washington to a guy & offered to turn them over for historical purposes.

They didn't have any takers because they thought it would "damage" Washington's reputation as the "Father of America".

I didn't know there were openly gay people back then.

R36 That doesn't make sense. If someone thought the letters would damage Washington's reputation, they would have purchased them and burned them. They wouldn't have left the letters with the original owners for fear the owners would 'out' Washington. Well, obviously that didn't happen so I call bullshit on this story.

Didn't Washington invent "The Most Glorious Of Openings" during a exceptionally sultry night to keep soldier morale up?

R38 It's possible the family made copies for themselves or others to read/keep so why buy & burn them if you can't contain the info?

This offer was made to a couple of museums & it's possible that the offer was too high for them.

I can't remember if I heard it on Coast To Coast AM but it was discussed on some show about US Presidential secrets.

I doubt it's true or Gore Vidal would have written about it.

LOL R41 He's been dead for almost 8 years now.

Things have happened since he croaked.

Tea Party leaders have taken a revisionist view of early American history, insisting that the Founding Fathers were not revolutionaries and radicals, but arch-conservatives.

Delving into the Founding Fathers’ own papers indicates something altogether different. Some of the Founding Fathers leaned right, but the majority were anti-monarchists, Freemasons and atheists who held what modern historical language would term a secularist and globalist view. In some cases — like George Washington’s — this included a strong gay-friendly attitude.

Among the Founding Fathers were definitive class biases. Most of these men, like Washington (1732-99) and Thomas Jefferson, were wealthy land- and slave-owners who led aristocratic lifestyles and were elitist toward the “lower” classes. Socialists these men were not. Yet some of their personal ethics and standards reveal that they were more open to what would be considered a “modern,” 21st-century perspective on life, love and sexuality than might be presumed in the stodgy, post-Puritan 18th-century colonies.

This was particularly true of Washington, whose stance on homosexuality, which at the time was punishable by imprisonment, castration and even death throughout the colonies, was noticeably — even dramatically — relaxed in comparison to many of his cohorts. His personal correspondence and diaries bear this out.

As his letters (over 17,000 have been collected) and diaries affirm, Washington was above all a pragmatist. This made him a superb military strategist.

Washington’s views on democracy, liberty and the codified “pursuit of happiness” that current U.S. Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy cited specifically in his ruling in Lawrence v. Texas (2003), which overturned federal sodomy laws, were straightforward. Washington’s letters, diaries, military papers and conversations with friends and colleagues of his era were all succinct: He believed in freedom with discipline; he was left-leaning, but no anarchist. He looked the other way on matters that may have otherwise raised eyebrows when it was the pragmatic thing to do, as he would throughout his tenure as both military leader and leader of the nation.

It’s impossible to overstate the impact Washington had on both the founding of the nation and, of course, the winning of the Revolutionary War. Part of Washington’s genius as a strategist was his ability to rally troops — literally. Documentation from the era states without equivocation that Washington inspired tremendous loyalty in all levels of his military. By all accounts a man’s man, Washington was superb at all kinds of sport. Considered the best horseman of his time and one of the strongest men any of his compatriots had ever met, his feats of strength were regularly recorded.

Washington’s letters state that he was less than thrilled with marital life (“not much fire between the sheets”) and preferred the company of men — particularly the young Alexander Hamilton, whom he made his personal secretary — to that of women. His concern for his male colleagues clearly extended to their personal lives. This was especially true of Hamilton, whom he brought with him to Valley Forge, giving Hamilton a cabin to share with his then-lover, John Laurens, to whom Hamilton had written passionate love letters that are still extant.

Washington himself had married late for the time — at 28 — and to a wealthy widow, Martha Custis. They raised her two children from her first marriage, but had none of their own. Letters of Washington’s make clear that while he cared deeply for Martha and her children, there was no passion between them. Nor are there records of Washington’s dalliances with other women.

Washington’s passion was reserved for his work and the men with whom he served closely, notably Hamilton and the Marquis de Lafayette. When Hamilton was a young soldier — later to be made Secretary of the Treasury by Washington — he was engaged in relationships with other men, as love letters he sent during the Revolutionary War prove.

Historians assert that passionate same-sex friendships were normative in the 18th century. At the same time, however, sodomy and open homosexuality were punishable by imprisonment, castration and even death, both in and out of the military.

However, as historian Kai Wright notes in “Soldiers of Freedom,” the military was often far more advanced on social issues than civilian life and cites the desegregation of the military on race and gender as examples. Thus Washington’s laissez-faire attitude toward homosexuality at Valley Forge fits that construct. Washington was a gay-friendly pragmatist who put the importance of the revolutionary struggle above the concerns of civilian life.

The most succinct evidence for this was Washington’s clear “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy when it came to same-sex coupling among his regiments at Valley Forge.

Renowned gay historian Randy Shilts makes the case for Washington’s ever-pragmatic as well as compassionate approach to same-sex relationships in “Conduct Unbecoming: Gays and Lesbians in the U.S. Military.”

Shilts details how Washington merely signed the order for discharge of a soldier caught in flagrante with another soldier, and suggests that if Lt. Col. Aaron Burr had not forced the issue, the soldier might have remained at Valley Forge instead of being the first documented case of a discharge for homosexuality in the Continental Army on March 15, 1778 at Valley Forge.

The soldier was court-martialed by Burr, but that was the extent of it. Washington did not flog him, imprison him or, as Jefferson had required as part of Virginia law as punishment for sodomy, have him castrated. Washington could also have had the soldier executed. He did none of these things. The soldier just walked away.

What makes this so stunning as proof of Washington’s leniency on homosexuality in the military is the context.

When Lt. Gotthold Frederick Enslin was drummed out of the corps (literally) for homosexuality, it seems that Washington signed the order for discharge more because the case involved fraternization below rank.

According to military documents, Enslin was caught having sexual relations with Pvt. John Monhart by Ensign Anthony Maxwell.

Enslin was court-martialed and found guilty of sodomy and perjury for lying.

Monhart was neither court-martialed nor discharged. Whether he was underage — many privates in the Continental Army were 14, 15 and 16 — and this was the actual reason Enslin was discharged is unknown.

That Washington looked the other way with same-sex couples is most obvious in his dealings with Maj. Gen. Frederich Wilhelm von Steuben, the Prussian military genius enlisted to strategize at Valley Forge. Von Steuben arrived at the encampment two weeks before Enslin’s discharge and with his young French assistant, Pierre Etienne Duponceau, who was presumed to be his lover, in tow, making Enslin’s subsequent discharge ironic and reinforcing the theory that it was Burr, not Washington, who compelled the action.

Von Steuben is perhaps the best-known gay man in American military history. Although his sexual orientation is rarely mentioned and has been excised from standard history books, his role in winning the Revolutionary War was incomparable and second only to Washington’s own. As inspector general and major general of the Continental Army, he taught drills, tactics and maneuvers. He authored the “Revolutionary War Drill Manual,” which was used through the War of 1812, and his other maneuvers were used for more than 150 years.

Von Steuben’s relationship with Washington was close and there were no conflicts with Washington over von Steuben’s sleeping arrangements at Valley Forge with his young Frenchman, Duponceau. What’s more, because von Steuben’s English was limited but his French was perfect, Washington assigned his own secretary and one of his aides-de-camp to von Steuben.

Who were the men? Lt. Cols. Alexander Hamilton and John Laurens, who shared a cabin at Valley Forge at Washington’s bequest.

It’s not revisionist to assert that Washington’s pattern of ignoring same-sex relationships at Valley Forge was both indicative of his pragmatic nature (without von Steuben, Hamilton, Lafayette and others, America might still be a colony of the British) and of his seeming lack of concern over homosexuality.

Washington obviously considered morale in what was inarguably the most horrific battle station in U.S. military history, the winter at Valley Forge, needed to be upheld. Allowing men their one solace — each other — made sense from a general’s point of view. The less miserable the soldiers, the better they would fight. If keeping each other warm in the bone-crushing cold and abject misery (2,500 soldiers died at Valley Forge from starvation, disease and exposure) made life somewhat more bearable, then Washington had no issue with ignoring homosexuality in his ranks.

Over the decades of his military service, Washington spent his most emotional and life-altering timeS with other men. He certainly knew of the relationships between Hamilton and Laurens, von Steuben and Duponceau, and yet brought none of them up on charges.

Washington didn’t just look the other way but specifically sought to help these gay soldiers. Washington didn’t think morale suffered with gay soldiers serving under him or even, in the case of von Steuben and Hamilton, being his key strategists. Rather, he saw these men for their value to him and to the nation — a fact that should be added to every American history textbook.

R42 So you're saying Gore Vidal died BEFORE George Washington? You, sir, are an idiot.

Everyone knows he had a thing for cherries.

Hope he never gave anyone splinters with his wooden teeth.

This was a great "explainer" and some of the illustrations are a bit racy (!)

I want to go to a Valley Forge party with no pants on.

Who was a bigger bottom ; George or Abraham ??

Aaron Burr.....total slut.....

^^You're a cunt, Hamilton.

If you think about it, homosexuality among soldiers makes a lot of sense for unit cohesion, especially for a volunteer army. Do you want the young soldiers longing to get home to their woman, or do you want them fighting hard to save their fellow soldiers that they may love or at least adore.

R54 General Mattis often speaks about the need for 'affection' within USMC units; that it keeps them faithful to each other. He always uses the word 'affection' which may be his code word for homosexuality among his troops. He's on record as not being concerned with the issue of 'two consenting adults going to bed together' regardless of gender.

r54, that was the very thesis behind the Sacred Band of Thebes, an army of 150 male couples.

R56 But wouldn't there have been considerable jealousy?

This is just nonsense put out there by George Washington stans who want him to appear "woke" and be trendy like Mayor Pete.

Our Founding Fathers were liberals. They would be appalled by today's Republicans.

They would be appalled by our government and its century long drift to the imperial presidency.

"bump"

Indeed, but the wealth and expanse of the country would shock them.

These men may have fooled around while serving, but they didn't forget who and what they were fighting for.

My father said that soldiers would have their go to for blowjobs.

Needs are needs.

Don't you worry, the far left will find some way to denigrate him. They already have with Lincoln. They'll say history is "complicated" and they are no real heroes of the past.

[quote]Indeed, but the wealth and expanse of the country would shock them.

Not to mention the improvements in dentistry.

[quote]My father said that soldiers would have their go to for blowjobs.

They still do. See R63.

Delores Goodwin's biography of Washington was made into a four episode documentary on History Channel this week. Hopefully, it will hit on the gay thing.

C'mon boys. I want to hear more about sex in the military. All that foxhole fucking...

George Washington was a daddy top with a harem of twinks at his disposal!

The founding fathers were not liberal at all. They were socially libertarian but even that only up to a point.

Most of them were scions of extremely powerful, extremely rich families. And they absolutely believed that alone made them fit to decide laws for everyone. And they did it. Their main grip, the one that pushed them to violent rebellion, was that they didn't want to pay taxes. Sound familiar?

Only a handful, Franklin, Adams, a few of the others from the northeast would be considered liberal by today's standards. Coincidentally those people also tended to be early proponents of the abolition of slavery

I was never lonely.

One of the Continental Army's favorite marching tunes.

Baron von Steuben trained Americans into soldiers, he made them a fighting force.

[quote] Their main grip,

What an unfortunate typo in a thread with this subject.

R74 Yes. It's ridiculous to think that a gay man can't fight or strategize in war. Baron von Steuben was gay but he was all MAN when it came to battle. R75 I don't think that typo is unfortunate at all!

Oh yeah the other thing about the founding fathers. Most of them weren't religious at all. You could ostensibly call them deists though.

That and the fact Thomas Jefferson the writer of the Decclaration of Independence but he also produced the Jefferson Bible. What he did was excise everything he disagreed with in what I can only assume was King James Bible and just left the good parts. All the twaddle and hateful content was removed.

And it's funny - I've read the entirety of the texts in the KJV and parts of the NIV and other Bibles and I note the language changes between versions. Just go to genesis 4:16-20 in the KJV they reference the land Cain went to as Nod. But the NIV and other CHANGE THE DAMNED NAME.

R77 Isn't that why the founding fathers wanted 'freedom from religion"?

Frederick the Great of Prussia was gay too. It was a thing back then for them.

Alexander the Great was gay too

Wow. I'm in great company!

Homosexuality in the army is more common than we think.

R82 I think it's common in all the branches but especially the Navy!

One of the most elite and successful army units in the ancient world was the Sacred Band of Thebes.

It was made up of 150 pairs of gay lovers. If your lover died you left the army too.

I think the idea was fighting for your partner's life was more motivating than just fighting for your own

My undergrad professor for Antifederalist studies in th 1980s said that letters between some of the Founding Fathers questioned why Martha had kids with her first husband and not George, noting tgat the trouble seemed to be on George's end. They questioned his sexuality between the lines of tgeir letters.

Maybe Martha was loose "down there" after having all those kids careening out of her front butt.

Are you crazy? Martha’s pussy was so tight you couldn’t get a musket ball in there. Trust me.

And now everyone sits on his face.

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Big mini-series this week on the History Channel. Hope they cover Washington's appreciation of gays. If they don't, they haven't done justice to his legacy.

[quote] [R77] Isn't that why the founding fathers wanted 'freedom from religion"?

It isn't "freedom from religion" it is freedom of religion. Communist nations like the Soviet Union practiced freedom from religion. The government used its power to suppress and advocate against religions. The government took it upon themselves to determine what people could believe. Freedom of Religion is different. In it the government cannot interfere in the practice of religion or beliefs. Religion, likewise, can't dictate the policies of the government. The founders wanted religious freedom because they didn't want to see the religious wars of Europe replicated in the US. Also, it is the height of freedom to say that people are free to believe and practice whatever they believe or to not believe at all.

R91 Thanks for the correction and the explanation.

I love this quote -- copied this from a different thread:

Gay general Georges Clemenceau, regarding Marshal Hubert Lyautey:

He was “an admirable and courageous man who always had balls between his legs. It's just that they are not always his.”

Whew, chile!

Was presenting Colonial Hole a thing back then?

From R 84 [quote]One of the most elite and successful army units in the ancient world was the Sacred Band of Thebes. It was made up of 150 pairs of gay lovers. If your lover died you left the army too. I think the idea was fighting for your partner's life was more motivating than just fighting for your own

Beautiful!

Von Steuben was a fatty tho.

Just to be clear, r93, Clemenceau was neither gay nor a general; rather, he was a politician notorious for his womanizing. Still, the quote about Lyauty is real and marvelous.

Lyauty was married but surrounded himself with handsome officers, some of whom occasionally shared his bed; one morning, Madame Lyauty greeted his officers with the statement: "Ah, Messieurs, last night I cuckolded you!"

R98 Ha! Beautiful. Some generals must prefer surrounding themselves with gays. General Mattis was known for cossetting gay officers. People who met him said he himself didn't ping but his aides and secretaries were all gaylings.

Alexander Hamilton was no fag, and I'm the dame that can prove it!

This thread is making me HORNY AS HELL

r101=Betsy Ross

His contributions to training the Continental Army were and are not forgotten. I knew of him from histories of the revolution and Washington.

"Delores Goodwin's biography of Washington was made into a four episode documentary on History Channel this week. Hopefully, it will hit on the gay thing."

I want to see colonial homosex!!!

[quote]Delores Goodwin's biography of Washington

Who?

The British are coming!

Gjkn

R107 That was everything a post should be - informative, funny, helpful, a fine addition to the conversation. Thank you so much!

r108 I FF all of those gibberish posts. Doesn't seem to do any good. I guess I should just block the poster.

I presume they're bumping the thread without typing the word bump.

Give me liberty or give me dick......

Imagine getting a blow from those dentures ,

With those britches the men wore in those days, you could clearly see what the other guys were packing. What a feast for the eyes for von Steuben!!! He could easily pick out the prettiest and best hung cadets for his naked parties.

"I vant you, and you, and you, NOT YOU, and you, and you, and ESPECIALLY YOU!! Shtud muffink, come to Papa!!"

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More than once a naked romp was interrupted by a British attack. Much of Steuben's military success was attributable to the distraction of seeing von Steuben and his handsome young officers leading the charge totally naked, there having been no time to get dressed. Certainly, this didn't work during the harsh winters, but the hot young cadets kept von Steuben toasty and warm. Many British officers defected to the Patriots' side with hopes of attending one of von Steuben's legendary bacchanals.

Drunk History (Comedy Channel) had a great episode about VonSteuben and his gay military. David Cross as VonSteuben, Stephen Merchant as George Washington.

Anyone watching the mini-series on CNN about Washington? Does it touch (giggle giggle) on this VonSteuben gay stuff? If not, I'm not going to the CNN app to watch.

The miniseries is on the History channel, not CNN.

R118 Thank you! Is it any good?

[quote] But let’s not talk about those wooden teeth blowjobs.

Gurl, please. The wooden teeth came out before I gave a gum job.

r119 it's very good. I recommend it. You can watch it on the History Channel's site.

After the war, von Steuben settled down in the DC area, with a beautiful river house overlooking the Potomac, just a half mile from Mount Vernon. For appearance's sake, Du Ponceau was hired as estate manager, and given his own house on the estate (which of course, he hardly ever visited). To assuage the gossiping local ladies, von Steuben and du Ponceau often threw lavish balls in which all the spinsters of the county were invited to dance with the handsome young men who always seemed to congregate at von Steuben's house. Du Ponceau made sure that none of these spinsters were in the least attractive, thanks, in no small part, to the advice of Martha Washington's cousin Pat Patterson, who was a spinster herself who had lived with her personal companion Gwendolyn Gladstone for going on thirty years. Pat always made sure there was no shortage of homely girls for the balls, which, frankly, were rather dull affairs, until the men and women separated after dinner, and began to profit from the same-sex atmosphere, which led to some pretty racy tales being told by the servants. Du Ponceau, however, usually made certain that the servants were all either gay or lesbian, and given permission to join in the festivities once the men and women had been separated.

[quote]After the war, von Steuben settled down in the DC area, with a beautiful river house overlooking the Potomac, just a half mile from Mount Vernon.

Eldergays--did we have a Tasteful Friends thread on this house back in 1790?

Dats da suckjob R120!

I finally got a chance to watch the Drunk History clip at r116...is Nick Rutherford gay? Or just touchy-feely with other men when inebriated? I mean, here he is kissing another man.

Von Steuben's sex soir

R126 I'm ignorant and have no idea what that means - sex soir. Can you help?

R127, I think it’s a killer fag.

R128 Thanks but makes no sense. Tried Googling, Binging, etc. Nothing. So must be either a typo or ignorance.

Maybe he meant soiree? As in party

R130 Oh! That works. So [R126] is that what you meant?

He loved to mount Vernon.

Von Steuben's sex soirées were radically democratic, in that social class, race, wealth, religion played no part in who was invited to participate. When the trousers dropped, the only things that mattered were a pretty face, a well-turned ass and a stiff cock. Watching von Steuben review his troops, lined up stark naked, cocks at full attention, was a sight to behold!! He would start at one end, devouring one cock after another, while his young, eager lover du Ponceau started at the opposite end, pointing his lovely eager French ass towards one horny cock after another. The two lovers ended up shellacked in cum from their dozens of invites. After a few shots of brandy, they'd all split up into couples and threesomes and fuck until dawn.

Talk about revisionist lies. Alexander Hamilton was not a homo. He had numerous affairs with women (not men).

The floor of the smoking was covered in nacreous permacum. Rather than clean it up, von Steuben simply had it varnished. Martha Washington thought the pearlized effect was stunning and tried to no avail to copy it.

Smoking room, of course.

Martha Washington tried to duplicate the effect by having all her girlfriends collect their vaginal secretions and applying them to the floor of the salon. It looked horrid and the fishy smell practically drove poor George permanently out of the house. Though it did attract every cat within miles, thus assuring that Mount Vernon would never have a mouse or rat infestation. That is, until George had the floorboards torn out and burnt in a giant fire the locals dubbed The Poontang Conflagration of 1793.

One of his most famous slogans was Give Me Liberty Or Give Me Meth!

My Dearest Algernon, How I loathe to be apart from your wondrous embrace, pressed up wickedly against your absurdly bountiful pantaloons! I can but only allow my mind to harken back to those nights we Forged roughly & we Forged thoroughly! I dread I shall never forge again, my dearest, as rumours swirl that Gen Washington, of chaste and purity has bound for some respite in a Valley. We shall see! until then, God be with you! Fondly yours, Percival Hodgeketter.

[quote]…your absurdly bountiful pantaloons

R139 Oh my goodness, Percival! My own pantaloons are stretched to capacity just reading your beautiful missive.

He and his cohorts secretly referred to the First Continental Congress as Wigstock.

During, the war, General Washington had all his soldiers' mail read. When he got wind of Algernon and his absurdly bountiful pantaloons, he knew this would be of particular interest to von Steuben. Washington went to von Steuben's private quarters and ordered young Algie to join them. Washington ordered two armed guards to prevent anyone from disturbing them. Von Steuben looked the soldier up and down and then addressed him.

"Ach der lieber!! Your friend did not lie. Your pantaloons do indeed appear to be bounteously filled with goodness. Please drop the pantaloons immediately so that we may inspect."

'Yes, sir!" Algernon did as requested.

As he lowered his leggings, his quickly engorging member popped out. Soon the huge cock was at full staff, about ten inches and thick. Washington had brought along a sketch artist to memorialize the young man's wares so that he may inspect them nightly at his convenience in private. The general had quite a collection of soldier cock sketches.

Von Steuben, on the other hand, had more interactive things in mind, so when the sketch artist finished, he asked the general and the artist to leave the two of them alone, which Washington did gladly.

From then on, Algernon was a staple at all the von Steuben soirées, and continued to be after the war ended. Congress awarded him with a small plot of land and a tidy sum to build himself a modest house. He settled there with his lifelong boon companion, Percival Hodgeketter.

Lol I love you, r142

Von Steuben always insisted on his right to bare arms.

Washington was a friend to the gays but Lincoln was always going on about foreskin and seven inches.

He was most certainly gay. Moreover, he lost his teeth when he tried to go down on Ben Franklin who reacted by kicking him in the face...,

They even named The Splinter Splendor in his honor.

R147 No idea what that means. Help, please?

Abigail Willingswood was a widow whose husband showed great bravery during the War for Independence. Though her eight sons kept the family cabinetmaking enterprise going, business had not been as great lately. When she heard about the special floors at the von Steuben house, she had an idea of how to profit from this. She went to consult with the Baron himself.

"Baron von Steuben, let me be frank with you. I love this beautiful effect you've achieved with your floors here, and I want to steal your idea and use it for furniture pieces. My laundry maids assure me that my eight sons would have no trouble in supplying us with copious quotas of the male essence, shall we say. What do you think of my little idea? And would you be willing to come and help me convince my sons to give their all for this new venture?"

"Mrs. Willingswood, you said you had eight sons. What are their ages?"

"24, 22, 21, 20, 19, 18, 17 and 14."

"All of them still unmarried?"

"Yes, indeed."

"This is a splendid idea! I'd love to talk to the lads and convince them what a profitable venture this is sure to be. I can assure you that specialty furniture pieces like this could fetch a pretty penny, and I have many friends who would be quite intrigued by the idea!"

They shook hands and then drove together to the Willingswood house which was adjacent to the furniture shop.

"Jedediah, Jeremiah, Jonathan, Jared, Jasper, James, Jeffrey and Jeb! Come meet the Baron!"

The widow was surprised by how quickly the Baron was able to convince the boys to go along with the scheme. But they all loved their mother more than anything and the promise of more income made it all the more attractive.

"So let's give it a go and experiment on a small unfinished piece of furniture. What about an occasional chair?"

Jared brought out a pretty little pine chair, fresh from the lathe.

"Now, Mrs. Willingswood, I'm going to have to ask you to leave, and to ban all females from the shop area from henceforth. We don't want any feminine sensibilities offended."

"Of course, Baron. Boys, do whatever he orders! He's going to make us lots of money!"

Once their mother had left, von Steuben instructed the lads to completely disrobe. Seeing their slim, muscular, tall bodies lined up was quite a magnificent sight to behold. All the lads had their fathers' dark brown, curly hair and his steely blue eyes. The older two boys were already completely erect and started fondling their stiff cocks. The younger brothers all followed suit very quickly.

"Now lads, I'm going to collect your ejaculate when you climax. It's very important not to waste a drop of it, so make sure you let me know when you're on the verge, and I'll have the collection pot ready."

One after the other quickly reached orgasm and shot their copious loads into von Steuben's pot. He then took a small paintbrush and covered the chair quickly with the beautiful liquid gold.

"Now let this dry overnight, and tomorrow afternoon give it a good coat of shellac and let me know what you think of the effect."

The next day, the oldest son - Jedediah - brought the chair over to von Steuben's house. The Baron was quite impressed with the pearlescent effect on the chair. He knew that the chair would fetch a good price among his circle of aesthetically refined friends. He was seized with an idea.

"Jedediah, your family is going to make a lot of money this way. I have an idea that could enhance the income even more. I have certain, discerning friends who would be willing to pay double the price if they were allowed to watch the process unfold. All males, of course. We wouldn't want women to be too shocked by this. But we men are all very familiar with this type of activity. Go home and talk this over with your brothers and let me know. I know I can keep you in steady supply of eager, willing customers."

And thus was the famous line of Willingswood pearlescent furniture first established. The demand became so great that the sons recruited all their friends to join in to keep the supply of man juice flowing. Many of the customers paid a premium that allowed them to join in with the lads and add their juices to the collection. The biggest premium, however, was charged to the lucky customer who got collect the liquid goodness and squeeze the boys' members, making sure to extract every possible drop.

Was that the start of Eatin' Allen Furniture?

Aloysius Featherstone was an ardent collector of Collingswood furniture, to the extent that he depleted the modest inheritance that his mother left him. He was found alone, emaciated and dead. He had gnawed the finish off an entire set of dining room chairs. His last words were, according to his housekeeper, were "Let 'er fly, boys, let 'er fly!!" She mistakenly reported the words as "butterfly, butterfly."

In their second year of production, Collingwood came out with a signature line of dining chairs, a set of 8, each one featuring the spunk of one of the sons. The oldest son's chairs -- Jedediah -- were the most prized because of the distinctive nature of his ejaculate. His semen was full of solid chunks, so that when dried and shellacked, gave an unrecognizable texture to the finish. Connoisseurs referred to it as "hand." Collectors also cherished the specialized finish because Jed was the handsomest and best hung of the lot - a thick ten inch cock, as thick as a tree limb, with two very large, low-hanging balls that George Washington had memorialized by his sketch artist.

Jedediah married the next year, bringing to an end his contribution to the Collingswood. Because of this, his signature pieces were even more valued because of their rarity.

Sounds like a Nova Films prototype. Love it, r150!!

After Washington's and von Steuben's death in the 90s and especially after Hamilton's shocking death in the 1804 duel, there was a calculated effort to sanitize the image of all the Founding Fathers. Willingswood furniture was burnt publicly in town bonfires, and the shops boarded up. Washington's oldest stepson found the President's sketchbook and tossed it in the fireplace.

The Willingswood boys landed on their feet, though, after Jedediah Willingswood was hired as estate manager for the Bottomsley Plantation in central Virginia. Jed hired on all his brothers as carpenters, ironmongers, horse trainers, etc. Ben Bottomsley encouraged all the lads to refresh themselves in the creek tucked away in the woods far from the view of the plantation house. He encouraged the boys to keep the Willingswood tradition alive by swimming naked, thus beginning a long Southern tradition of skinny dipping at the old swimming hole. What the lads didn't realize is that old Ben had a secret spy platform built in the huge oak tree at the swimming hole and could watch the lads unnoticed. Many generations of Willingswood men first wet their willies in that old creek, with old Ben drinking in the view.

R155, I wish they taught this history in school! I wood have paid more attention!

Seriously, though, weren't most ideas about human sexuality in the 1700s most usually modeled on the ideas of the Greeks and Romans, who thought in terms of tops and bottoms as opposed to straight and gay, which is a concept from the late 1800s?

I'm no sexual historian, though, and very open to correction.

So Willingswood invented the nacreous layer of permacum?

His teeth were made from walrus tusks. Ivory, not wood.

He could suck several cocks at the same time. He called it "multi-tusking".

R157 The Romans had a powerful cultural influence over Europeans of that era absolutely. But just as powerful, if not more so, was the influence of protestent Christianity, which at the time was virulently against homosexualilty.

Men like the founding fathers who were less serious about Christianity and more into Roman history than their contemporaries probably weren't that firmly opposed to it. Great men like Alexander the Great and Marc Antony was taught as having had relationships with men.

R158, it was von Steuben who invented the nacreous layer of permacum. Willingswood found a way to turn dried jizz into big profits.

Q: what did Washington say immediately after he crossed the Delaware?

A: he said “poop poop de doop! Poop poop de doop!”

He said: "Please let me sit down this is makin' me sick."

He said "Please sit on my dick"

Q: What did Washington say immediately after he crossed the Delaware?

A. Follow me, ferries!

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Hamilton’s Caribbean and Scottish dick was long and girthy. He was nicknamed Trousersnake.

Do I think he fucked Laurens and got sucked by Washington? Yes.

But he was just a narcissist who knew how to get what he wanted with his muscular thighs, big ass, and that fat cock

I'm fascinated with the history of gays in the military. Being gay was much more accepted during the revolutionary war, almost encouraged by their leadership. Gay relationships built loyalty and trust among the men facing death every day. Greek and Roman history show the value of men loving men.

I'd love to hear more about those Willingswood boys. I've jacked off many times reading of their exploits above. I'm sure there are plenty of tales to be told about their years on the Bottomsley Plantation.