Dem Debate part 2

well good

Thank you OP

YES impeachment talk

TRASH TRUMP

Oh, fuck off, Amy.

Link the first thread, cunt OP

I wouldn't mind the next 20 minutes of just everyone on stage bashing the fuck out of that ugly fat demonic orange walking turd

is this it?

Tom Steyer looks like the Quaker Oats man.

This robot chick moderator is incredible! Who is she?

Thanks for part 2, OP

Original thread

I know. I agree with Amy and still she gets on my nerves.

Amy doing a mike check! She’s not wrong though.

Link to old thread:

Yes Liz remind everyone how corrupt Trump admin is

Is steyer a daddy?

THEY NEVER ASK ABOUT FEDERAL JUDGES

Only a few posters have mentioned Bernie..Random groups of voters watching live think Bernie is slamming the rest of them. Yet of all the whopping six of you shilling here tonite scarcely a whisper of Mr Sanders. Is DL in denial as you were in 2016? Because Sanders is not going away.

I thought we already did climate?

Pete has pretty much blended into the wallpaper. Even Steyer had more moments so far. Amy's doing pretty well too.

not just this administration. the entire Republican Party. Somebody mention that. The cover up, the whoring, the grifting goes to the bone of this fucked up political party.

Hell yes r15

Climate change is a losing issue.

it's quite unfair how Sanders had a heart attack and his numbers went up

Hillary had a coughing fit and her life expectancy was questioned

I just don’t like Bernie. He’s tiresome to listen too. I miss “no drama Obama.”

TORNADOES.MADEOF.F-EYE-ER.

Amy is not doing well, she's rambling and has zero energy.

I'm the one that said Bernie should get a Nobel Peace Prize for Sincerity. Commitment. Ideas, r17.

This moderator is so over this debate and needs to get back to the mall!

We heard you at 614 on the old thread, shill at R17

she knows it's over. it's just the top four now.

Resting bitch face

When did we start using the category "black and brown Americans"

its sounds horrible. Like they are bruised.

Robot moderator is back. Wtf!

I was that little applause

You would think Klobuchar is the frontrunner by the amount of facetime she gets on these debates.

R3 Because that worked so well in 2016

who are the brown people? Aren't almost all black americans brown? Very few dark black americans. This is a black person.

Tom is ACCOUNTABLE BISH!

Your plot failed, you little munchkin

I don’t like this business about declaring an emergency on day 1. It sounds like Hitler’s Enabling Act, though I know it isn’t, but let’s just not panic. Making it priority 1 is fine.

R36 talking about impeachment in 2016? huh?

[quote]Because Sanders is not going away.

Yes we know. When he loses the primaries, he keeps campaigning for himself and never fucking goes away.

Brown in this case means largely Hispanics.

Any and all "on day 1" is boilerplate dreck.

Understand this.

Look.

Let me tell you, folks.

Day 1

do hispanics want to be called "brown"?

for the Russians here, I know you've never seen one, but Black people aren't literally "Black". Hope this helps.

Amy threw staplers at women staffers. How is she still on the stage?

careful with the fracking issue, Amy! Susan Sarandon will publicly disparage you if you don't word it her way

R24 BREAKING: Obama not running in 2020

Bernie’s suits from Kmart or what?

Let's be clear!

This moderator is soooo fucking annoying.

Also, putinistas, Warren won the debate, and Trump will lose the election. Please report to your masters accordingly.

[quote]When did we start using the category "black and brown Americans"

It's a way to reference African-Americans and Latinos but exclude Asians (or any other minority) for situations where that is needed.

I’m beige. Beige is a color, too.

Let's be clear. Look. Let me tell you folks.

r35 Warren has gotten the most time of all the candidates. She always gets the most time at the debates. The moderators need to cut her off before anyone else, she is long winded.

Does Sanders ever stick to the subject?

I have to admit that Amy is doing well tonight. I still don’t like her.

Pete and Joe are the only ones who don’t grate on me.

Oh..Joe.....ugh.....

Why are Amy’s eyebrows so misaligned? It seems like maybe she had Bell’s Palsy or perhaps a mild stroke at some point?

Aren't asians yellow? Why don't they say Black, brown, yellow and red Americans? Sheesh - the silly pandering of white folks. Looks. Let me tell you.

I thought so to0, R58... and I like Biden.

Boo!

Dip your chip in the helluva good every time they say “look”

Amy is doing well?

Something is all wrong with Amy’s face.

Joe is mostly with it tonight. Not bad. He's no Warren, but he's not doing terribly tonight.

lmfao Pete stans about to be TRIGGERED by this question

R44 No single simple answer - Latinos, Hispanos, Hispanics, Mexican Americans, chicanos, pochos, raza, brown people... many terms that are embraced or resented by different groups at different times.

Personally, I like "people of color" more than "black and brown" - includes Asians, native peoples etc

It's some sort shuffleboard loser hit him on the head with her stick, or even worse throw a shuffleboard piece at him?

Black support? Why not "black brown and yellow support"?

Glad to see Bernie not doing well in this.

[quote]Why are Amy’s eyebrows so misaligned?

Her face is not symmetrical. She filled them in too much and she should use a lighter pencil to fill them so they won't be so distracting.

I think Warren won this one tonight

Also, her dad

Why do blacks hate you Pete? Joy Reid says they hate you.

I don’t think Asians feel they are yellow.

Pete did not want that question. It's going to be a focus now in the post-analysis coverage

I don't think Warren won, but she was the best performer. I don't think anybody won. It's too many debates, too much pointless performance from all of them. This horse race, knock out punch, I was that blathering candidate bullshit serves no one.

Amer. Indians aren’t red. That is sunburn.

There haven't been any breakout moments either positive or negative for most here. So far, the candidate you like is going to seem to be doing the best, and vice versa.

So Pete was the only one who got the black question?

[quote]When did we start using the category "black and brown Americans"

Joy Reid is fond of saying “black and brown people are being terrorized in this country by Mayor Pete Buttigieg.”

“Red, brown, yellow, black, and white,

they are precious in his sight,

Jesus loves the little children on the world.”

A children’s hymn from my childhood which probably wouldn’t fly today

Some of the people supporting me in South Bend are black, so that settles that.

Liar, fraud, etc. BUT HES IN OFFICE!!!

How did that happen?

I agree the term socialist will scare away a lot of moderate voters

the question remains is it better to try and get moderates or try and bring out voters who stayed home in 2016

R57 My pussy's name is Joe

Do LatinX (the brown people, not the pumas) identify as "brown"? Sheesh

r70, you are not good at your job. Please try whoring or fighting in Ukraine or grifting with Rudy Guiliani. This isn't for you.

Pete handled that antagonistic question perfectly. The pundits will trash it probably because they hate Pete with a passion though.

They won't come out of Liz Warren's ass even for some air.

Tom Steyer's dad was a law partner.

Tom ain’t taking the bait!

Everyone has had a good night except Bernie. The only thing the commentators will focus on is the woman president thing, and Warren completely owned him on it.

Honestly, if I was Pete, I would have said - Well, apparently, I am a lying Motherfucker, so what are you gonna do?

Tom just CAME for PETE!

Warren won. It's not even close.

Did Pete just have a real unrehearsed moment?!!!

Joy-Ann Reid is an embarrassment to Harvard. On the level of Kushner.

To hear Joe tell it, he's been years ahead on every issue imaginable. Introduced every pertinent bill; Obama let him have free reign on every policy point. He has been everywhere, man. Run Forrest, run

R93 My sides.

Amy gets triggered when Pete talks about being the midwestern candidate

Yes Amy torch Trump

Bernie did very well.

My retirement depends on me being able to move my 401k money out of equities before it looks like any of them might win.

Amy seems like a caricature of herself playing herself.

R26, Well she got softballs all night and they let her talk for about half of the broadcast.

Awww, Pete is saving Jesus. Actually, that is not a bad moment for him.

Pete sounds like he's auditioning for "The Music Man"

lol Amy mad everyone shit talks about the flyover states.

Tony,

“Be they yellow, black, or white” is how we sung it up North.

Is Amy appropriating black woman gestures?

bye fugly pete. clown.

Can Netflix develop a sitcom about Amy & her dad?

Liz do not remind the people you used to be a Rethug!

And sure, Look, the truth is, I was a Republican, like my brothers, sure, and I was Pocahontas, Look, sure, Let me tell you

Joe won because he didn't screw up. He also seems the most presidential, the elder statesman. Trump won't debate, so no worry about Biden getting eaten alive.

That questions about Pete's lack of black support was cheap.

Joe won because he didn't screw up. He also seems the most presidential, the elder statesman. Trump won't debate, so no worry about Biden getting eaten alive.

That questions about Pete's lack of black support was cheap.

Who is the black lady moderator? She's GORGEOUS

Liz laying it out and laying it down. She won this. So good.

"Senator Klobuchar, you have billed yourself as a senator who gets things done, how are you prepared to explain your eyebrows tomorrow? Are you prepared for that?"

Amy is fixated on casinos. Gambling problem?

[quote]Bernie did very well.

👎

You can tell Warren thinks she won... she's doin' her country an' western thang agin: mammas and daddies and babies an' just generally droppin' the last consonant from every dang thin' she says. She's folks, folks and she Ain' gonna gosh darn letcha feergit!

Excuse me, r112?

Meet me outside.

*hands soda to Jill*

Finally joe talks about the present.

Drudge Report Poll saying Amy and Bernie won debate.

Sorry Pete. Religion needs to fuck off from politics. We don’t need more of that nonsense

Must have been a dull debate. Not even 1.5 threads. Bet it was the lowest rated yet too.

The women are more direct then the men.

[quote] R104: My retirement depends on me being able to move my 401k money out of equities before it looks like any of them might win.

Trump will Leave the economy on the cusp of a crash whenever he leaves. That’s Trump so fault, not the Democrat’s.

Is it over?

Joe does empathetic well. I think Joe IS empathetic. But over many decades, it has been a very mixed record, Joe. I don't know that you always walk the walk, guy.

Pete totally owned that question with his answers about his military service and religion versus Trump's lack of both; Pete's finest moment of the night.

Warren getting those softballs and hitting them out the park!

Bernie did not win this debate.

I'm going to tell you. Look. This is it. Folks. The fact is they all came off OK enough.

Lol r123

No, R131. Amy has more to tell us about her dad.

[quote]she's doin' her country an' western thang agin: mammas and daddies and babies an' just generally droppin' the last consonant...

But at least Liz didn't mention her "dollies" tonight, so there's that positive development.

Pete is a potentially decent guy. Pete is on the verge of empathy. I wonder if he actually goes out into poor communities and lives there for the next few years if he might be in an amazing candidate in 2024.

just a poll here, who do you think could really trash Trump in a debate with insults but in a way that wouldn't turn off the public? You know some liberals aren't like us at DL. They don't like when Democrats "are too mean."

On the other hand we want someone who wouldn't start quivering when Trump started with his bully and insult tactics

R104 - grimly true.

[quote]That questions about Pete's lack of black support was cheap.

Pete's total lack of support from African-Americans is not a minor issue. He needs to have a new plan to address it, beyond what he has already laid out since that hasn't moved the needle at all.

The black moderator is a cunt.

Definitely Tom Steyer r140. Even though you all dislike him.

Liz would piss him off just by being a woman, r140. I'm not sure who really has the kind of humor to appeal to his oafish base, but she could conceivably piss him off enough to say something really stupid. And after tonight, she doesn't seem the type to hold back.

Yeah but she hot

You can go to War with Iran fugly pete since you miss it so much.

Is that a smoky eye Amy Desmond or did one of her staff finally clock her back?

Why talk about Trump? Isn’t the audience mostly Dems?

Apparently not that easy, Amy, you've got check your notes constantly. She ovah.

Sanders & Warren's catch cry to EVERY question is EVIL CORPORATIONS!!

You everyday voter is more worried about their own day to day issues and throwing at them EVIL CORPORATIONS!! as the answer gets tiresome.

It's all ideological stuff for them two and may resonate with the left wing base, but the rest of the country's eyes just glaze over as they figure out how to pay the next bill.

it drives me nuts when Liz goes on about Mamas and babies. Ugh, shut up.

Hilly won the debates with Trump, She wasn't cowed. None fo these 6 would be intimidated in a debate with clown face.

klobs, nobody is bringing shit together these days. accept it, move on.

Warren did well. Biden didn’t crash and burn, he stumbles on his words often but he’ll say that’s because of the stuttering. Bernie gesticulates so much he looks like a marionette. Steyer was impressive at times but just because he’s an unknown. Pete didn’t fail but didn’t stand out either. Amy’s was clearly the weakest performance.

Can we just stop for a second to appreciate that none of these people is deranged or a pathological liar?

oh sweet jesus, the team bond. whatever.

"I have a stapler and I know what it takes to get things done"

[quote]But at least Liz didn't mention her "dollies" tonight, so there's that positive development.

Yeah but she did mention Aunt Bea this time.

OK, Pete the fake stuff has got to END!!!!

I doubt if tonight changed anyone’s mind. They were all,fine. No major moments.

Join Pete!

Oh, she's abandoned country and western and she's back to Yankee school marm.

R103 Of post debate surveys of viewers watching the debates live I'm looking at: the majority say Mr Sanders won. Get your heads out of your arses DL.

I am not exahausted by the spectacle of division. I'm exhausted by Democrats thinking it doesn't actually exist.

r156 Warren has a bit of a lying problem when it comes to random things. Nothing compared to Trump, but it's there.

[quote]Amy has more to tell us about her dad.

Amy has serious dad issues. She’s never once mentioned her mother.

R151, American’s need an enemy. It has always been so. The politician’s job is to make sure that enemy deserves the attention.

TRANS WOMEN OF COLOR

I vote Marianne.

There's no way Amy won. She kept talking even when the moderator told her she needed to stop. That's going to turn off a lot of people.

Trans women of color....winner, winner! Liz said the secret phrase

No Liz. Not trans women. I thought we were past that.

Trans women of color! Liz iz WOKE!

Liz Warren delivered a great message: to AOC. Iowa, not so much.

There are brown Asians and East Asians. “Asian” (cf. yellow) is the standard now.

Women politicians almost ALL have a challenge with the tone and delivery of their voices. Its not an easy thing to solve.

TWOCs!

honestly, I will love the Marianne troll forever.

Warren has more "content" to her comments than anyone else. Seems like she is the smartest. Is she the right candidate? Not settled yet.

Bernie winning?!?! Seriously? 🤣

again, Warren wins.

Hillary has a better speaking voice than these 2.

I think the ladies won the night, they took opportunity of a narrowed field and ran with it. The men did well but really didn't say anything new.

R155 " Berine gesticulates too much" Beyond weak. Pathetic

Well, looks like Pete has run out of his bag of tricks.

[quote] R161: I doubt if tonight changed anyone’s mind. They were all,fine. No major moments.

This and the last debate keep pushing me more towards Liz. I feel more comfortable and confident with her.

"Trans women of color..."

The largest voting block in these United States. She just won history. Hands down.

Joe is singing out!

Still no questions about the federal judges

the federal courts impact all issues including the upcoming ruling on healthcare

why is this hardly brought up at any Dem debates? The base needs to understand we need to flip the Senate

R171, That moderator was too curt with her “times up” Amy was within her rights.

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LOL @ 188.

Biden is "presidential"

Biden had the best closing statement. Too bad his overall performance in most of the debates verges on doddering and confused.

[quote] You everyday voter is more worried about their own day to day issues and throwing at them EVIL CORPORATIONS!!....but the rest of the country's eyes just glaze over as they figure out how to pay the next bill.

The one part of the Evil Corporations! that most Americans get is what's going on with the drug companies. Their mascot could be Pharma Boy, who really, really jacked up prices because: he could.

That's a part of people paying their bills at the kitchen table, so it may not be as irrelevant to them as you think it is.

After seeing this last debate, the only hope for the Dems is that the economy crashes.

Marianne is at home squatting on a large amethyst crystal, clearing her chakras.

Did Liz and Bernie just have words?

Sadly, R197 is right.

This debate was ordered in a way so that Liz would shine. She is completely manufactured. Be smarter gays.

[quote]Pete handled that antagonistic question perfectly.

Really? I hated, HATED Pete's answer to the black support question. "Oh yes, I have this rich black person co-chairing my whatever, and these influential black people supporting me over here." What about everyone else, Pete? That answer, alone, has left me cold about Pete from now on.

Did Warren just refuse to shake Bernie's hand? Looked like it to me. She spoke at him, did not shake when he extended, then turned shook Pete's hand.

Ooooooooh, it's on!

yes I saw that

Meh, we did it better r195

Pete needs spark. Very blah tonight.

What was going on with Bernie and Warren after the debate? Seemed like she confronted him on something. Anyone read lips?

These after debate commentators can shove it up their snatches

Warren obviously

At the end when they went around shaking one another's hands, Bernie extended his hand to shake Liz's hand. She pulled back and clasped her hands together. He tried a second time and she pulled back and folded her hands together again. Then she walked off and shook Pete's hand.

I want footage r210

I thought Warren stumbled and deflected as usual about the Bernie comment. What the hell were these commentators watching?

It will be a Biden/ Warren ticket. Bernie Bros will bail to Dump. Dump wins.

[quote]Warren has more "content" to her comments than anyone else.

It's very much like a grandmother telling her grandkids fairy tales. It's all imaginative and beyond belief, but still entertaining and engaging.

Liz clearly implied he said the "no woman" comment, there is no doubt. He's a liar.

The Buttigieg Blackout is real.

oh SNAP!!!!!!!!!

multiple CNN panelists saying Klobuchar and Buttigieg didn't do enough tonight

Are you kidding r212? Warren fucking owned him!

Warren would probably make the most solid President. I don’t think she’s electable though.

suspect you are right r213. Biden has been consistently in charge of this thing, but Warren has been consistently better at articulating actual decent opinions. Together, they will be awesome.

I didn’t see Bernie try a second time.

She brought something to his attention that she didn’t like. He then gave his viewpoint, then made a hand gesture that said “I said my piece, that is all”, and he turned and walked away. He wasn’t expecting her to be pissed about that something. Probably about their conversation and mixed remembrances.

In his denying that he ever said that about a woman president, he looked at the camera and told the American people that Liz is a liar. I don't think she took that well.

I'm writing in "Ron Reagan."

Warren's phony folksyism ("mommas" and daddies) gots ta go.

Warren totally fucked up. That tape it out there now and that just gave new life to the he said she said story on women for president. Dumb move. She hasn't settled on how to handle this and she's all over the map.

CNN will grasp this in about ten minutes and shift to that.

They hardly asked Pete any questions. Then they turn around and say "he doesnt do enough"

I already posted earlier that the pundits were going to be up Warren's coochie no matter what happens" and of course they are.

Look at Liz Warren working the crowd. She is manic. She's been manic for several years. I don't think its Adderall.

Warren looked very pissed and clearly rebuffed him after the debate.

you're a whore darling, at r225

Warren won tonight and she also has the only soundbite that the press will run. She brought her A game.

Sanders did well and I enjoy his sense of humor.

Biden stumbled as usual and continued to play up his experience. It's getting a bit tired but people will still buy it.

Mayor Pete, as someone else said, faded into the background. The other candidates wrote him off so he didn't have the chance go to on attack.

Amy tried but there was no one for her really to point her cannon at tonight so she failed.

Tom Steyer, if he means what he says, can use his own money and help people without running for President.

Am I imagining things, or are there just an incredible number of Russian whores and cunts on this thread? Are they really that worried about Warren?

[quote]I already posted earlier that the pundits were going to be up Warren's coochie no matter what happens" and of course they are.

r226 Pete's gotta step up his coochie game gurl!

[quote]Warren won tonight and she also has the only soundbite that the press will run. She brought her A game.

She squandered it when she refused to shake. CNN is just launching into he said/she said.

1990 was 30 years ago. CNN is so full of shit.

Yep, CNN onto the handshake.

so many cunts, so few actual americans. It is kind of amazing.

Biden/Klobuchar?

As was said up thread, Warren would like make the best President. She was the most thoughtful about content. Although DL doesn't like her folksiness - "crack a beer and let's talk Liz" is an image that would help her against Trump. Is she the best, most electable Dem? Not sure.

Some cunts are "worried" about a handshake. Some cunts are "worried" rudness. Some cunts are "worried" that she is too far left. So many cunts. So few Americans.

Warren was talking out of her snatch when she accused Bernie of being sexist.

He was defending women's and gay rights when she was defending companies rights to give their workers cancer.

I REALLY don't like Biden and don't want him to be the nominee. Why is he allowed to get away with stumbling so much?

Makes me miss Castro.

[quote] Although DL doesn't like her folksiness - "crack a beer and let's talk Liz" is an image that would help her against Trump.

Not if seems that fake.

And I guess some cunts are terribly worried for the first time in their cunt lives about women's rights.

Pete a gay man. Nope

Warren a white woman. Nope

Biden a old white man with nothing to offer us. Nope

Bernie a old old Jew with something to offer us. Maybe

R242 "performing" (Trump) does work.... sometimes

Too much ire around Warren and Sanders.

Why didn't Warren lop a Swingline stapler at Sanders?

Thanks, r45!

Pete has to let loose more. It was obvious Obama was very intelligent, too, but he knew the value of some well-placed quips and self-deprecation.

Pete needs to watch Obama footage.

but at least everyone saw what they saw. Warren won this thing. Cunts can say what they want, in English or Russian, doesn't matter. Cunts are done, and Elizabeth Warren won.

Pete is so APPEALINGLY young.

Thing about Bernie is that he could go pretty far as a populist in places like Appalachia where that's the thing. However, he's then going to go onto SJW racial justice which will turn them right off.

R250, Kamala "won" a debate before too. But where is she now?

[quote] Is she the best, most electable Dem? Not sure.

I'm not sure why people have forgotten that we've beaten Republican presidents before and he is by far the worst one in history. He makes George Bush Jr. look like a genius.

As for the "handshake." I still don't think she'd be harping on what was said, in front of him, with the mics off, unless she was damn sure he said it since he let her off relatively easy.

Lawrence O'Donnell wished someone had brought up the breaking news about impeachment evidence tonight

whether it was a moderator or a candidate

Steyer just said on MSNBC that he doesn't know what Sanders and Warren were talking about after the debate. He's lying of course.

So when the Russian Cunt at r240 pretends to care about anyone's rights, it won't really matter. The cunt will be ignored because everyone saw what happened tonight. Senator Elizabeth Warren won this debate. The cunt at r240 won nothing.

I think it's possible that if Biden is the nominee he may pick Pete as his running mate for the age contrast. He won't need a Veep of color necessarily, nor a woman.

"Sanders did well and I enjoy his sense of humor. "

What sense of hum-ah?

This is good news for the other candidates. If Warren or Sanders supporters peels off they arent going to the opposite team.

Beyond policy etc., Pete is too attached to talking points, sticking to them. His original appeal was that he sounded authentic and fresh; canned talking points, not matter how "eloquently" crafted, makes him seem like old politicians, not something new.

The startled look on Steyer's face when he stumbled onto the Warren/Sanders post-debate contretemps was both funny.

[quote]Did Pete just have a real unrehearsed moment?!!!

He did. It was very, very brief though. If you blinked you missed it.

George Clooney needs to announce his candidacy.

[QUOTE] Steyer just said on MSNBC that he doesn't know what Sanders and Warren were talking about after the debate. He's lying of course.

That cocksucker was our only chance to find out the truth. He heard every word and the motherfucker is lying.

R254 I'm not sure why DL keeps forgetting EVERYONE KNOWS TRUMP IS A PIECE OF EXCREMENT. This is not news. If the dems keep beating this one note drum they will loose to a pile of shit. Again.

Pete's gonna show hole to show how to get things done.

Pete does seems over rehearsed in Debates. Hes never like that In town halls or interviews.

He needs to relax. These debates haven't made or ruined anyone in fact barely anyone even watches them.

Pete was probably referring to some valuable black endorsements he got this week. The average viewer doesn’t know about that.

Yeah, the question at this point is pretty much, if we have to have Biden, how far to the left can we push him. The energy is all on the Progressive side. So Uncle Joe, are you willing to abandon a lot of the bullshit you've been pushing for 40 years, like cutting Social Security, and get back to your actual democratic roots?

[quote]George Clooney needs to announce his candidacy.

Oh, I shall be a great vice-president!

Why is Biden still at the top? He looked old and tired. And except for closing was terrible. He will be awful in a debate with Trump.

I thought that Liz had the best debate. Steyer came off well. I thought Bernie had good and bad moments.

Pete said nothing new. Same thing I heard in previous debates. Amy tried but not enough. She doesn't come off well on TV.

If the Dems were serious about beating Dump they would run this guy.

[quote] I think it's possible that if Biden is the nominee he may pick Pete..

But every time I hear the talking heads on MSNBC & CNN speak, they say, and not in a whisper, he should pick Stacey Abrams....Stacey Abrams....because she checks lots of boxes, apparently.

Here’s another Pete endorsement.

Of course Liz had the best debate, but ya know what, Joe still has the numbers. And "debate with Trump" is a bullshit statement. Trump doesn't debate. he just fucks around pretending to be in charge. Even Joe would destroy him, although it would never happen because Trump is too big a pussy to debate anyone ever again.

How is Biden going to face Trump when he keeps stumbling? Trump will destroy him. U don't think people are thinking this through.

[quote]Thing about Bernie is that he could go pretty far as a populist in places like Appalachia where that's the thing.

Stop with this nonsense.

Biden is not at the top among white voters. It is only this advantage he has in polls with black voters that is propping him up to this FrontRunner status. Most of these Confederate states are open primaries with no Republican race, so he had better hope that there aren't an influx of crossover votes... for whatever reason.

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So glad this is almost over. By when will we know the Dem candidate?

I think Pete’s strategy is slow and steady wins the race.

oh please, Trump won't destroy shit. Trump sucks at everything he has ever done. Trump is a walking fuckup, always. Are you Russian?

What he should have said is it's a long time to Election Day and there's difference in campaigning to get the nomination and campaigning as the nominee and that if votes and constituencies need specific attention and outreach that's what will happen.

I'm pumped for Pete's fox town hall on January 26th. Hes going to shut that shit down!

Who won according to the pundits?

Oh noes, Daily Mail doesn't love Elizabeth Warren. Oh shut the fuck up bots. nobody gives a fuck what you cunts think about anything.

Liz and Warren were probably doing coke in the bathroom between Margaritas. That's why Liz is so [italic] Bouncy & Perky !

Biden seems to really like Pete. I bet he would want to select Pete but a two white males on the ticket would be toxic to to identify politics crowd.

r240, was that before or after the rape essay? Fuck this commie.

more cunts, more not caring from anyone else. seriously, what do you bots get paid for? anything at all?

Oooops ! Make that Liz & Amy with the nose candy.

Pete was a non factor in this debate. That robot moderator made sure it was about Biden, Warren, Sanders.

I mean, srrsly, a little subtlety, do Russians seriously think this shit is convincing to anyone but putin and whatever cunt he's fucking today? seriously? Who is your audience? Us??!!??? really?

R276, Trump is a formidable debate opponent because he’s just going to lie. It’s hard to prepare for that. Low information voters just blindly believe whatever he says, because they can’t believe anybody would lie to that extreme.

How do you defend yourself against lies? “My opponent is a serial killer who walks the streets at night looking for children to rape.”

“I spend my weekends at Mar-a-Lago healing the sick just like Jesus. I am the second coming of the Messiah.”

“My wife Melanie is like the Madonna. At night, she glows with holiness and I use her for a night light.”

How the hell do you debate that? How can you win against that?

Why is CNN asking every candidate what they thought of Warren? Do they have a favorite candidate or something?

I don't think that Biden would be as concerned about the identity politics crowd in the general election. They're far, far more a factor in the primaries.

Speaking of Joe, I'm willing to wager a modest amount that if he can't come in first in Iowa, New Hampshire, or Nevada, black voters in South Carolina to some extent will start drifting away toward Bloomberg.

Jason Johnson from the Root, trashing Pete, of course. Is the Root even a thing?

Trump is a formidable Russian asset, and pretty much nothing else. Nobody sees Trump in action and thinks, yup, that cunt knows what he's doing, except the cult members. He ain't gonna do shit in any debate. Is you simple, or just Russian?

[quote]But every time I hear the talking heads on MSNBC & CNN speak, they say, and not in a whisper, he should pick Stacey Abrams....Stacey Abrams....because she checks lots of boxes, apparently.

Stacey Abrams has practically been pre-selected as the VP candidate. She is beloved by the DNC and whoever runs with her will get a huge turnout from black voters which is so critical. They should just let her pick who she wants as POTUS so we can get this shit over with!

Biden is a slick, slick man.

I don't like that in a human being.

CNN shoving gender bias down our throat. Change the subject already.

r291 you are the obvious troll. How many times are you going to repeat yourself? So what if people don't agree with you, grow up.

AK is doing perfectly well in her interview on CNN right. She's just a crap debater.

That pic of Liz upthread shows the wrinkles. Do what does she wear on stage?!?!

Buttigieg is a GAY man he is undetectable as POTUS. This is the real America. It is not DL fantasy Island. Dems either get real or lose again.

So many cunts, so many whores. It's actually a good sign. These grifters are scared. They know what is coming. A blowout against all Republicans.

[quote] R280: Warren has a demontrable credibility problem; she fibs a lot about her life.

Completely inconsequential and petty complaint. A co-opted recipe? Really? It’s not bone spurs. Get some perspective. “Credibility problem” is a Republican invention.

Klobuchar has a grating personality

[quote]he looked at the camera and told the American people that Liz is a liar.

He’s said that repeatedly in the media before tonight.

Oh Noes, a gay man could never win in Russia, ummm, Merica. Oh whores and grifters, you are to be the silly.

Warren has a good debate and then gives the media the focus of her going after Bernie after the debate. Odd strategy and i wouldn't doubt if it was planned.

Oct 2020 Trump debates Warren

Was there ever a Russian who wasn't a whore or a grifter? When did that start? Was it the Glorious Revolution? What did you whore for Mother Russia?

Warren is seventy.

It's time for Indian woman to get wrinkled.

r306 if Pete is an undetectable gay man I'll be happy to bend over.... to elect him.

R308, Shes been caught in lies about everything from her father's occupation to the reason she left a teaching job.

If it was anyone but Warren that was caught in so many lies it would play a role in the narrative in their campaign.

It's not just the Daily Mail:

[quote] R283: Trump won't destroy shit.

Sure he will, he’s already destroyed the TPP; Paris Accord; Iranian Agreement; NAFTA; environments regulations; social civility, etc. It is all he’s good at, wrecking things others built.

R316 you're 6% of the electorate but 90% of DL posters. Good luck with that.

Stacey Abrams is not qualified and is not being vetted. I read she had some problems with unpaid taxes and other large personal bills she didn’t pay until last year. Republicans wanted to portray that as “she can’t handle a budget.”

That would blow up if she suddenly landed on a ticket with no previous vetting. It would be Sarah Palin 2.0., buying a pig in a poke.

Biden needs to pick someone that’s being vetted right now. An October surprise is the last thing we need.

Oh Russia, so glorious once. Conquering so much of Asia. And then one day, reduced to cunting on random websites. Oh Russia. You whores and cunts. Sadness.

[quote]She is beloved by the DNC and whoever runs with her will get a huge turnout from black voters which is so critical.

Once again black voters do not automatically support black people as we've already seen during the primaries.

Counting on black voters for a boost to turnout for the nominee isn't as simple as, "choose a black person."

R3219 He destroyed this lot who look remarkably similar to what I saw tonite.

but here, a little taste of America, just for you, cause everyone actually deserves a little Whitney.

Sadly r323, most white liberals have never met a black person.

[quote]That tape it out there now and that just gave new life to the he said she said story on women for president.

She’s the one who planted the story in the press in the first place. She started the whole thing, just threw it out there like a grenade.

R301... at this point no term is LESS descriptive of Biden than "slick"....

Black voters like Stacey Abrams, r323, unlike Kamala Harris and Cory Booker.

Why does CNN continue to have the idiot Chris Cuomo trying to be a political commentator? WHY??

seriously, we do not hate you. Russia is not an inherently awful place, you just keep making these really weird awful choices: Lenin, Stalin, Putin. Stop doing that shit. Embrace something good. Don't be assholes for the sake of being assholes. It never works out. Try to love the rest of the world. just try. But even if you can't, you still get Whitney. Cause we are nice like that.

Seems to me that it's white liberal "experts" who are being condescending, if not racist, in implying that if there isn't a non-white on the ticket the immature, babyish black voters will stay home holding their breaths in defiance on Election Day.

I mean is anyone really white? I have NEVER seen anyone with that skin color. We're peach-pink technically.

Thank you very kindly for your concern r333

Why does Pete being religion into this shit? I was with him until he played that shit. Religion should stay FAR away from politics.

R336 Nice to hear from1963 but it's 2020.

[quote]she had some problems with unpaid taxes and other large personal bills she didn’t pay until last year.

Stacey Abrams can’t control her eating or her personal finances. Pass.

This was a debate to prop up Warren. The media want to use her again to hurt Sanders, now that he is improving his numbers in the polls.

It's very transparent, she's the only one who wasn't scrutinized.

You have to give it to Warren. She really set this whole thing up perfectly to win this debate. She probably knew months ago that she was going to leak the meeting story the media right before the Iowa caucus. Her statement about it tonight was beautifully executed as well. Stunt queen extraordinaire!

[quote] Stacey Abrams is not qualified and is not being vetted.

So where will we find the requisite POC woman for VP? Who will be that little girl? Who?

Anderson Cooper skewering Steyer repeatedly about making his fortune in fossil fuel, cashing out then parading himself as a climate change warrior on CNN.

It’s mostly not white people saying that, R333, it’s woke black influencers and pundits. Doesn’t mean it’s true of actual black middle aged people who are likely to vote. Most of those like Biden.

oh shut the fuck up. she did well. it wasn't some weird media conspiracy. she did well. just shut the fuck up bitches. it's not that hard to understand. sometimes somebody does better at a debate than your preferred candidate.

why are people such dumb cunts so often? why is that?

You're right R339. Bernie is the victim.

[quote] R314: Was there ever a Russian who wasn't a whore or a grifter? When did that start? Was it the Glorious Revolution? What did you whore for Mother Russia?

If Russia ever had a culture of philanthropy, it was wrung-out during Soviet rule. All representatives of the state were corrupt. The state took from you and subsidized the rich and poor. Charity was run by the state, and personal philanthropy wasn’t needed, in theory. I think Communism destroyed philanthropy there.

Among the robber barons in 19th century in the US, were several religious men who became philanthropists. John D. Rockefeller, ruthless businessman, advised his family to make as much money as quickly as you can , then give it away as quickly as you can. Some of them competed for most prestigious charities. It’s a virtuous cycle. That’s trickled down to the rest of us, and the US is still more religious that the Russians and charitable as a result..

Andrew Gillum is so hot. If Pete took him on the campaign trail I bet his popularity with black people would surge!

I thought Biden kind of got lost in the shuffle, where he should have had a more prominent Elder Statesman prescence. Steyer and Amy had more airtime it seemed.

[quote]Why does Pete being religion into this shit?

Pete is a Christian with a capital C. He named his immigration after a Bible verse.

That shit is creepy.

[quote] R317: If it was anyone but Warren that was caught in so many lies it would play a role in the narrative in their campaign.

It hasn’t hurt Trump. And he doesn’t stop with crowd size and the “mess” he inherited. He gets people killed because of his lies. So, not “anyone“ but Warren.

if only that could stop r347. Instead the cunt Putin is spreading it to the cunt Trump and therefore the rest of us. We need to stop this cunting.

Biden-Duckworth

Warren-Tester

Sanders-Abrams

R350, let it go. He may be sincere, but in any event, it’s a good move for a gay candidate, to give religious people a reason to overlook his orientation.

r344 bitch please. We can all see Warren's crafty leaking of this story won her the debate.

Pete's religiosity is the intellectual type, not the fundamental aspect.

I’m tired of seeing Ron Regan Jr telling me he isn’t afraid of burning in hell. Just go there already!

yup, r347, every rich american, like every rich Russian, is pretty much a cunt. we need to stop thinking these cunts are anything more than a pain in the ass. we need to start fucking with them like they've been fucking with us.

I am so fucking sick about hearing about Stacey abrams. Wtf has she DONE? LOSE the only election she’s ever run?

R356 Pete's religiousness is historical, mainstream - not this recent evangelical millennialism heresy.

[quote] R333: Seems to me that it's white liberal "experts" who are being condescending, if not racist, in implying that if there isn't a non-white on the ticket the immature, babyish black voters will stay home holding their breaths in defiance on Election Day.

I agree completely. There is no reason that an all male ticket couldn’t win. This isn’t like a sampling of 1000 people, where you should expect diversity. This is just two people. It doesn’t have to be racially balanced and would be bizarre if it was.

The people who desperately wanted her to win are convinced that it was stolen, so she didn't really lose, so she was the winner, so it's all good.

except no ticket has ever worked that way. there is no "qualified" you morons. Nobody is "qualified." it is all a political game for about 200 years. Do people seriously not get this?

Why does Warren get a pass for attacking Bernie when she tried to do the same shit to Pete?

Klobuchar tried to do the same thing to Pete but CNN is not worshipping at her feet like they are with Warren. They may as well be working for her campaign.

what pass? what are you talking about? what pass does anyone get? other than the one that everyone gets if if works? are you stupid?

CNN - Pete top winner & article comes from main headline on front page of Winners & Losers.

* Pete Buttigieg: The former South Bend, Indiana, mayor proved Tuesday night that he is the best debater in this field. But he also did something more important than that, too: In the first 30 minutes of the debate, Buttigieg showed a competency, steadiness and depth of knowledge coupled with personal experience that should help him pass the commander-in-chief test in the eyes of voters. He spoke forcefully and powerfully about his issues with President Donald Trump's approach to Iran and the need to go back to the drawing board on Congress authorizing the use of military force. It's also worth noting that despite Buttigieg's status as one of the top-tier candidates in the contest, he rarely seems to be on the receiving end of damaging attacks from his opponents.

BTW, Pete's haircut with the faded sides was a major improvement than the bushy sides he's had.

oh that's sweet. Warren won. But hometown boy did okay is sweet.

R346 Victim. You rang?

he did look very grownup in that suit.

r359 she exposed racist voter suppression that is STILL going on the South, and she is actively working to end it and get more minorities to vote. That is absolutely critical work that the Democrats have to do to win local elections, not to mention Presidential elections.

Abrams is any of these candidate's dream running partner because she is already doing the work for them with minority and women voters, so they can focus on fighting Trump in battleground areas. They would only benefit from the momentum her movement already has.

Pete didn’t win. His media donors are showing their asses. We the people see differently

CNN basically handed the debate to warren on a silver platter before dhe even stepped foot on the stage.

Stop saying she "won" for goodness sakes. She better have won that, the scales were tipped in her favor.

Pete played it deliberately mellow for the most part but had some key strong moments - which I think was a smart strategy. The events of the last few days teed Warren up for a win overall.

Seems fairly obvious that Amy is only going to qualify in a handful of precincts state-wide at most.

So, CNN has officially declared both Pete and Liz as the big winners???

and for pete, who I actually like, but come on girl, we all know you won't be president, until maybe 2036:

I like Pete. But he can not win unless Chasten becomes Christine by Nov 3.

Political Tickets prior to Clinton were usually balanced geographically. Then Clinton chose Gore, a fellow southerner, and broke the mold. Also balanced conservative-liberal. Until recently, only white men were viable candidates.

Kennedy-Johnson Massachusetts-Texas

Johnson-Humphrey Texas - Minnesota

Nixon-Agnew California-Maryland

Carter-Mondale Georgia- Minnesota

Reagan-Bush California- Maine/Texas

I hate tokenism.

With her shaky voice and shaky hair, Amy is going to end up full tilt Susan Collins when she gets older.

"I'm Amy Klobuchar and I approve of this stapler."

I think if it's Biden for the nomination, he might try to balance it by age with Pete. Any disgruntled woke folk are not likely to be in Pennsylvania, Michigan, or Wisconsin particularly.

r383 He'll chose an African american

yeah, I think it might be Biden too, but he would be best to pick Warren. He needs a progressive, and a progressive woman really.

This just in: Washington Post says-

Winners and losers from the Iowa Democratic debate

[quote] Losers: Pete Buttigieg: For arguably the first time on one of these debate stages, the former mayor of South Bend, Ind., was something of a bystander who didn’t really add much. He hit many of the same notes he has in previous debates, including by criticizing Medicare-for-all as being unrealistic and knocking a “Washington mentality.” He at one point emphasized the national debt and deficit — one wonders whether these are huge priorities for Democratic voters right now. Iowa is so important for Buttigieg, because it’s such a good constituency for him. He wasn’t bad Tuesday, but it may not help him address some of his arrested momentum.

Centrists and moderates would stay home if Warren was on the ticket.

Here's what's gonna happen, Bernie wins Iowa and then New Hampshire and then Biden wins about 50% of the vote in South Carolina basically moving on to the nomination from there.

If Biden/Sanders wins I'm POTUS by 2022.

I am not a Pete stan, but I am huge supporter. I'm also a DL junkie. Nobody EVER thought on this site that Pete would make it this far. He's in the top 4 candidates out of how many were there to start? I'll support whoever the Dem nominee is but Pete made it further than most of you thought. All I can say is never say never. I like Pete's policy on Iran which I think will play well with Republican-lites.

Also and this might have been mentioned already, have you noticed that when Warren gets called out, she starts pulling at the top of her hair. I think tonight, they were all pretty mellow. It was fairly subdued and there weren't any new topics. Let's see how it shakes out.

Amy was really running with the gambling metaphors tonight.

Pete's okay. like Warren more, but Pete is okay, and so is the whole Pete thing. It is pretty amazing to have a gay guy get this far in the presidential race.

Biden is NOT going to win the nomination.

why, r392?

I think what Warren said to Bernie was, "I thought you were going to..."

He says, "What?!!!" Then Bernie says something like "Let's talk about it later, just you and me."

I like Pete, if he's still in the race by the texas primary then im voting for him but he definitely needs to get a little less rehearsed, it's coming off a too slick.

R353, Biden/Duckworth sounds good.

I am for Pete, but I must admit I liked Warren tonight. While it wasn't as exiting, I like just hearing her talk and nodded along with what she was saying. She's smart. I like Bernie as a person, but he's not realistic and basically has 3 talking points. He said tonight he would support the nominee, but will he strongly convey that message to his followers?

R396 Oh, good Lord! Tammy Duckworth is against raising the minimum wage to $15.

R353, how did you come up with Duckworth? I like it.

R399 I hope you aren't an American voter.

Oh good! The Joy Reid, Root.com racist hour is starting on MSNBC, blacks should have been included, even if they were losing, or had dropped out.

What’s wrong with Senator Duckworth? She’s a moderate Democrats who’s well-liked. She lost both her legs serving in the military. She’s from the Midwest.

For whom Is winning Iowa and/or New Hampshire a must?

r403 If Biden wins one or both of them it's basically over.

I think Duckworth is a total badass.

Dems are incorrigible. They run a woman in 2016 she loses again. Then in 2020 they may run a gay guy. Why was I not contacted by the DNC?

R406, maybe that's a good thing. Pete may be gay, but he is young and until we hear further, doesn't have any major skeletons in his closet. I personally think Hilary had the win up until the end, but Comey fucked her with that ambiguous investigation announcement a week before the election. I think anyone who was on the fence with her finally had it and swung the other way. It turned out to be a nothingburger about her assistant's husband. Why didn't Comey just say it was about Weiner and not Hillary instead of leaving everyone to wonder?

Was Warren the same politician tha defended a pharma company that gave women breast cancer? She made it so they didnt get compensation. Or is that someone else?

R407 I agree.. I would easily vote for Mr Pete. He is obviously a sane young alternative to a raving lunatic but I am a middle aged white progressive liberal who lives in a blue state. I am not the average American voter. As much as I like Pete he can not win in a general election. The GAY is too big a negative. Sadly that is the reality.

I think Biden won--not because he did any brilliant debating, but because he sailed through it without getting slammed. He clearly knew foreign policy better than anyone. If you want an end to Trump's craziness, Biden comes off as reassuring and sane.

Pete doesn't have the experience and he continues to not have the experience.

Steyer's a dilettante.

I like Amy K., but she's in the single digits and hasn't moved from that, so clearly there's a ceiling with her.

Bernie looks ill. One of these days, two major things need to be discussed regarding Bernie--1) his lack of accomplishment in public office--he's a major do-nothing and 2) that heart attack and the stats on longevity. Old guys who have heart attacks have radically reduced life expectancies--as in less than a full term in office. It's crazy he's running, but even crazier to think of supporting him over healthier candidates.

Long ago, I liked Warren, but I've found her wearisome for a while--she's seems flighty to me. I've no sense of how she thinks she'll pull all of this off. Biden and Amy K. actually have policies, Warren is mostly ideas--some are interesting, but she has no path for their implementation. I mean I guess she had a good night, but if you weren't buying her before, you wouldn't be buying her now.

Amy is bipolar, throws hard objects at people in her office and married 3 times? Sorry, I dont need a female Trump in the office.

R410 I disagree with you on the old guys have less to live point. My job used to be in underwriting recording 65+ plus medical history. I was amazed at the amount of 75 year old people who admitted to heart attacks, stents, quadruple bypasses that took place a decade ago. Some of these people were really, really old, still beating away.

It was impressive. Obviously, I couldn't speak to the ones that died, but it's not always an absolute death sentence.

Poor Bernie and Liz. They have zero chance.

Both of them are weirdly toxic personalities. I can’t put my finger on it...

R412,

The statistics show otherwise:

About two-thirds of patients older than 65 who experience a myocardial infarction (MI) die within eight years, according to a new study—and nearly half die in that timeframe even if they receive percutaneous coronary intervention (PCI) or coronary artery bypass graft (CABG) surgery.

“From a healthcare perspective, these statistics are sobering,” lead author Ajar Kochar, MD, with Duke Clinical Research Institute, and colleagues wrote in the Journal of the American Heart Association. “These findings should lead to reflections on appropriate utilization and optimal dosing of secondary prevention therapies, along with revascularization when indicated for older patients with MI. Novel medication approaches to secondary prevention may be of particular interest to older patients with MI.”

The analysis contained almost 23,000 patients from the CRUSADE registry who were treated at 344 U.S. hospitals from 2004 to 2006. Patients were a median of 77 years old at baseline, 52.5 percent were male and 13.3 percent were nonwhite.

In the overall cohort, the median survival was 4.8 years, including 8.2 years for those aged 65 to 74 and 3.1 years for people over 75. Eight-year mortality rates were 65 percent overall, 49 percent for those undergoing PCI and 46 percent for CABG patients.

_____________________________________________________

Bernie's over 75--the median rate of survival for men his age who have had a heart attack is 3.1 years. The presidency is a high-stress job. So, yeah, I think Bernie dying on the job is a very real concern. Is it 100 percent likely? No. Is it way more likely for him than any other candidate? Yes.

Biden has just as much chance of dying from another aneurysm. He's got something neuro going on now.

R414 Neither can Donald. Unless he pays upfront.

Unfortunately POTUS has longevity in his DNA,

I would probably vote for Yang if he ran as the Libertarian candidate!

[quote]At Klobuchar’s debate watch party, four buses full of supporters were brought in from her home state of Minnesota.

Eek.

Warren is a good debater..she pivoted brilliantly when they brought up the rift with Sanders. She is smart and energetic and seems like she actually enjoys what she is doing.

Well stated, R410 and thank you for the actual statistics on the matter, R415.

There will be no debate with Trump. He simply will refuse.

Or, God willing, his crimes and his dementia will have forced him to resign by October.

This Yevonovich thing ain't going away.

Have you ever felt like your insides have been rearranged? This was the last debate, right?

"Why does Pete being religion into this shit? "

It's a very smart move to attract the independents and moderates who might be scared away by the " gay" thing.

Tom Steyer awkwardly trying to duck the question about what was said between Elizabeth and Bernie right now on CNN.

[quote]"Why does Pete being religion into this shit?"

Because the United States of America is famous for electing ATHEIST homosexuals into the highest office, Rose.

Serious question - is Steyer possibly a closeted homosexual? He's quite mincing and his fixation on Pete is...

R273, is that Cynthia Nixon’s wife? How would she win when Nixon herself couldn’t even win?

R398 Why would you spread disinformation? Duckworth (who is a total badass, and would strengthen a Biden ticket ) supports minimum wage bill to raise it to $15 hr. She's for gun control, immigration reform with a path to citizenship for undocumented, pro-choice, expanding ACA. She's a veteran, former pilot shot down in Iraq, lost both legs, and was so badass she had a baby at age 50 , first senator in history to give birth while in the senate. Biden-Duckworth is a great balance... and set her up to be the first Asian American President, beating Harris and Haley. Would love to see a Duckworth-Haley contest in 2024 (Joe, a one-term President).

Exactly, R430! Biden would be lucky if she'd consider an offer to be his VP. She's fucking amazing.

And the person shitting on Duckworth is either ignorant or a Bernie Bro. Or both. Most likely, both.

I wish there had been more Sanders/Warren violence, but I understand why most internecine battles quickly faded (at least publicly) due to the proximity to the Iowa caucuses.

Whatever happened with the rebuffed handshake and curt conversation after showed that something is still simmering...

This is going to be tight even if the Dems pick a viable option for the presidential nominee, let's assume Biden, because out in the real world he is the leader of the polling pack.

The VP selection cannot rock any boats. She or he must be seen to be competently experienced to take over from Biden after one term because he probably will only serve one. Identity politics aren't big enough to justify any candidates. I won't be Abrams. It probably won't be Pete. It won't be a consolation prize for failed aspirants in the current process. Somebody in the data room is slicing and dicing where they need to win what in order to take the White House. Feelings and twitter feeds and all that shit won't matter. That data will determine who the best nominee for VP is. There will be no American Idol foolishness about it. My money is on a governor or a long term member of the house or senate but I have no idea who it will be.

R433 People "in the data room" picked Tim Kaine in 2016. People in the data room need to shut the fuck up.

Duckworth was born in Thailand to a Chinese-Thai mom and an American dad. Can she ever be president?

In favour of what, R434? Your best guess?

Tim Kaine wasn't the reason Hillary Clinton lost the war.

Bernie, Sens Brown, Casey... Sec Vilsack. Even Warren. Any of them would have helped "maintain the Blue Wall" more than Kaine.

R435 "natural born citizen" means a citizen at birth, not born on territorial US. He father was US Citizen, she was a citizen at birth.

The VP will be Klobuchar.

[quote]Can Netflix develop a sitcom about Amy & her dad?

Yes! In any case her eyebrows alone would be HILARIOUS.

I can see it now, lots of canned laughter as Amy hurls shit across the room at people and then deadpans into the camera with an Urkel-esque catchphrase, "oops, did I do that?"

Warren is throwing a last minute Hail Mary to save her campaign. She really couldn’t even shake bernies hand? What a bitch. The identity politics freaks on Twitter will fall for this but most people will see it for what it is: desperate. Meanwhile Biden is cruising to the nomination by doing nothing. You have to laugh.

Topics that CNN didn't ask that would have been pertinent to Iowa voters and elsewhere:

Gun legislation, farm subsidies, minimum wage, methane, substance addictions and treatment, the national debt, separation of church and state, migration, term limits, pollution of all kinds, appointments of federal judges, intrastructure, having anti-trust suits, and what the heck: UFOs.

R442 You forgot trans women of color

Posters asking why Pete brought up religion forget this was an Iowa debate where you needed to tailor your response to convince Iowans most of all...

[quote]Buttigieg often talks about faith on the trail. But it's notable how often it comes up in conversation with his supporters here in Iowa. Just now in Tama County he said he was running to represent people of "every religion and no religion equally.” A woman audibly said, "Yes!"

That's also why he brought up the deficit - because Iowans keep asking him about it on the campaign trail. Much more than impeachment, which they barely mention. The next debate is in New Hampshire and the responses will be again tailored more to NH voters.

It seems like it's the same tired questions that they recycle for every debate, r442. It also feels like primary season has dragged on far to long.

Thoughts from a professional debate coach - Pete is the only one who scored an A.

[quote]Sen. Sanders made a major unforced error and reminded us that math is, well, hard. Sanders attempted to correct Warren's claim that she was the only person onstage in the last 30 years to beat an incumbent. After all, the Vermont senator bragged, he'd only beaten one in 1990. Then, everyone awkwardly waited while the two senators, one who graduated from the University of Chicago, and the other who taught at Harvard, tried to compute the difference between 1990 and 2020. Both seemed puzzled and the bit went on longer than an Abbott and Costello routine.

🤣🤣🤣

The mainstream media is now saying Warren won. The numbers on her "electability" went up. As did Amy's. Looks like the media is settling on Warren.

Oh, really? Link, please?

New details on post-debate Warren/Sanders spat.

R446 Sanders won less than 30 years ago. I don't get it.

I'm not doing your homework!

[quote] The mainstream media is now saying Warren won

CNN exposed their bias against Sanders both in the questioning and in their post debate analysis. It was so nakedly transparent. Pete did not make any impression in last night's debate so these prognosticators are full of shit. I agree with the other poster who said that it looks like Biden will sleepwalk his way to the nomination.

R450 they were both fighting of minutiae. Technically, Bernie was correct since he won 29 years and nearly 11 months ago. It will be exactly 30 years in November. Both were idiots.

I wish Beto were still in the race. I know he was a flawed candidate, but there was something about him that made me feel he could be Trump's match.

R253 True, but CNN was saying she "owned" Bernie and I was like what the fuck?

The only candidate truly in tune and can talk to the red states is Pete. He talks about religion but doesn't subscribe to the GOP Evangelical sect. His midwestern sensibilities are the one thing the Democrats forgot as they were sucking up to the coastal elites.

Biden insults Democratic values by even considering a Republican for VP. He's senile and I'm sick of his 40 years.

Pete Buttigieg/Val Demings would be a great ticket.

Forget what the pundits are saying about who won the debate. Even national polls don't matter. What matters is the organisational strength in Iowa. February 3rd is only 18 days away, believe it or not.

[quote]The GAY is too big a negative.

I thing the BORING and the BLAND are the big negatives.

The BLACK was supposed to have been a huge negative a few years back as I seem to recall.

[quote]The next debate is in New Hampshire and the responses will be again tailored more to NH voters.

How are the questions chosen, do they even say? Are they created by journalists or did they originate from non-journo voters?

Biden isn't considering a Republican for VP. He was asked a hypothetical and he said yes, hypothetically, but no such Republican existed.

Joe's not sleepwalking to the nomination. He has been able to answer every policy question and clearly understands foreign policy better than any of them. He neatly sidestepped a direct question about reparations in the last debate and has avoided making enemies of the followers of all the other candidates. He doesn't get into it with any of them because he's thinking longterm--he wants everyone to vote for him in November. No, it doesn't make him exciting, but he doesn't need to be exciting. He needs to be nice Uncle Joe, who's trusted to be a sane leader of the country.

Biden's said he'll choose a woman VP--and I think he'll choose very carefully--in part because of his age. However, unlike Bernie, there haven't been serious red flags with his health. His aneurysm was back in 1988, so he's well past the increased-risk period.

Sanders' isn't.

Biden does have a stutter and you do see him compensate for it (the famous gaffes) in the debates, but Trump is such a mess at this point and the numbers are so baked in that I don't think the debates will be key this election.

Imagine Duckworth walking on the VP debate stage on her crutches. I think it might be very memorable.

CNN dropped the audio of what was said during the debate handshake.

And nobody has a problem with Warren waiting nearly two years to disclose this ditty about Bernie?

Not the mammas or the daddies or even the little babies. Cause Liz Warren is just folks and folks kin take their time.

🍕 When are they delivering the pizza ?

R464 She’s shivving Bernie. She’s playing hardball politics and doing it really well.

It’s kinda scary how good she is at this.

[quote]She’s shivving Bernie. She’s playing hardball politics and doing it really well.

She's doing it very poorly.

She should have known cameras were still rolling or that cell phones might be pointed in their direction.

Warren should have called Sanders the next day and worked it out.

With our 24 hour news channels, that clip will be shown over and over again.

Message? Warren is a harridan.

Message: he’s lucky she didn’t slap him across the stage in front of the cameras.

R472 You think she's that psycho?

Alright, then she’s lucky he didn’t slap her across the stage. That was an intense moment.

He tried to make a fool out of her. Why should she just shrug it off?

[quote]He tried to make a fool out of her. Why should she just shrug it off?

There was a debate. During the debate is when it should have been dealt with. Is that so hard to understand?

NOT in front of rolling cameras with an open mic. ....after the debate had ended.

I'm LOL at the thought of Bernie slapping Liz across the stage! The same Bernie who isn't able to shower without busting his own ass and was video taped getting his ass beaten by an inanimate object? THAT Bernie?

Bernie's fans really do picture him in a similar way to Trump & the Deplorables when they photoshop Anusmouth's head onto Stalone's Rocky or Captain America's body and pretend away the reality of his age and lard.

R462 The damage was done. Biden should have said no consideration for a Republican VP. He should’ve known by now after 40 fucking years how the press cycle works.

R476, I was being facetious. I can’t stand either one of them.

Bernie was attacked by an inanimate object in the shower? Does he have poltergeists?

Amy Klobuchar gives me Dr. Amy Bishop Boom Boom Boom vibes.

My apologies, R478. Its difficult to tell, anymore.

Recently, Bernie either fell or passed out while showering, necessitating facial stitches and, later, decided to do a video interview and show how tough and 'in shape' he was by punching a speedbag. The speedbag got the best of him, to say the least. In a rather abrupt and hilarious manner.

This was all before his heart attack, BTW.

I’ve seen Elizabeth Warren try to be aggressive to three people. With Orange, he shut her down on Twitter pretty quickly, and she’s never tried again. With Buttigieg, she tried with the wine cave big donors and everything came out about her wine cave and big donors, and she hasn’t tried it again. With Bernie, she tried a said/she said—with a FRIEND—and we don’t know yet how it will turn out, but I suspect this will fail too.

She doesn’t seem good at this.

The thing about Iowa caucuses is that once the first round is done and no one’s got to 15%, you want to pick up other people’s supporters. I think with her going after Bernie, she lost more of that potential than she gained.

Biden and Buttigieg played it very well for the mechanics of Iowa. Bernie was immutable Bernie and will not come in first. But then will in New Hampshire.

There's no point in responding directly to the President.

The wine cave incident DID hurt Mayor Pete and she wasn't the only one going after him for it. Amy and Bernie also did as well.

She did nail Sanders pretty hard with her response. Planned or not she got him and most people aren't on Twitter or here. We'll see how that plays with voters later.

And I really don't think anyone has any clue what will happen in Iowa or better put:

[quote]Both Selzer and Monmouth find around 40% have firmly made up their minds, but 45% in the Selzer poll say they “could be persuaded” and 13% haven’t made a choice. The comparable Monmouth numbers are 52% still “open” and 5% with no choice yet.

Frankly, I think it's Biden with the softest support where folks are with him on name recognition, front runner, (supposed) best general numbers, etc.

R482 Yeah, "wine cave" pretty much took the air out of Pete's rise. In retrospect, if he doesn't win Iowa and/or NH, his candidacy will be done and historians will point to "wine cave" as the cock block moment. So, just on the facts, it's wrong to say "Warren isn't good in attack mode." Women do need to be careful not invoke the sexist "oh, she's so shrill, she's such a harridan" (like eskimos and snow, we have so many words for "women not knowing their place") - just like black people can't ever, ever appear "angry."

But Warren isn't good in attack mode - she attacks people for things she pioneered. Every time she tries, two hours later there's someone firing at her with the ammunition she provided.

I saw a story about Warren having her own wine cave event last time she ran for Senate, and apparently the wine cave owner issued a limited series of bottles with Warren’s name on them as a souvenir.

That really put me off her. For one thing, the whole idea that a guy without the national name recognition of her and Bernie should be hamstringed when it comes to raising money, but she shouldn’t is hypocritical.

Secondly, Biden's raising money from big donors and not a peep. Why? This whole “punch down to win” thing is vindictive, cowardly and low class. If I want a President that throws people under the bus to win, I’ve got one right now.

I have this feeling that Pete is going to pull a Trump in that many people might vote for him silently. Whether that be changing support from Trump/reublican party or perhaps not wanting to be vocal about voting for a gay man in the rust belt states. He is polling (which I know does not mean shit) 4% higher than Trump in Michigan right now.

The only thing people will remember about Pete in 5 years is “wine caves”.

[quote]If I want a President that throws people under the bus to win, I’ve got one right now.

Exactly. I loathe when a Democratic primary candidate attacks another. It's Trump behavior from the 2016 Republican primaries. I'd be a Republican if I were interested in that kind of shit show.

I'm not interested in whether Bernie thought Americans were ready to elect a woman for president in 2016. I *am* interested in health care, human rights, the gap between the wealthy and everyone who is not; housing, immigration, etc. But here's Liz campaigning - "Bernie offended me in 2016."

Bernie’s offending me right now, especially his Bernie Bros who act like a school of hangry piranhas towards any Democratic candidate.

[quote]I saw a story about Warren having her own wine cave event last time she ran for Senate, and apparently the wine cave owner issued a limited series of bottles with Warren’s name on them as a souvenir.

Goodness, it's not about the "wine cave" it's about him meeting with donors privately in a wine cave.

They didn't attack Biden for it (who would also take that money) because even when he has private fundraisers he invites the press and releases lists of who attended.

We now are starting to see the results of the debate and Sanders is on top.

#NEW New Hampshire Post-debate @7News @EmersonPolling

Sanders 23

Buttigieg 18

Biden 14

Warren 14

Klobuchar 10

Yang 6

Gabbard 5

Swingline Sally doing better than I'd expected.

Pretending this wine cave business is anything but rabble rousing is disingenuous.

Nancy Pelosi went to the identical same wine cave to fundraise and not a peep. Who’s going to tear down the most powerful woman in America by slamming wine, caves, or California industry? It’s just petty backstabbing. It’s being framed as “ooh, wine caves are bad and people that go to them are snobs, not like me, Oklahoma Elizabeth.”

A Harvard professor acting like fundraising in a wine cave is too rich for her blood is bullshit. She’s not little orphan Annie herself.

Her daughter worked for the evil McKinsey for years, and Warren has STILL not divested from those related gifts and given the proceeds to trans women of color.

R464 My lip-reading was off. The audio is worse than I thought. Warren is the one who was calling Bernie a liar and then she's in a snit because he defended himself?

It took me a long time to let go of her big betrayal in 2016 when she endorsed Hillary instead of her longtime friend, Bernie.

Now she's back at it with claims that Bernie's supporters are telling lies about her during canvassing. Followed quickly by saying Bernie told her in private that a woman couldn't win the presidency.

I can't stand her anymore.

I like Bernie, Yang + Steyer. But I wish that Steyer would have spent his $100 million not on TV ads but to help save Australia's wildlife.

I don't like how Amy screams at her staff and throws things at them, but she did well during the Kavanaugh Hearings. What about US Attorney General for her?

The wine cave thing blew up in Warren’s face. The news focussed on her big donor wine cave events and hypocrisy.

The wine cave thing hurt Pete, and didn’t affect Warren at all.

R498 Then you obviously weren’t paying attention to post debate press coverage. She was hounded for days all over the place including the Twitter sphere. Warren was so foolish that she dare not try to attack Pete again in the last debate after he slammed her face into the podium with her hypocrisy.

Provide proof R499.

[quote]She was hounded for days all over the place including the Twitter sphere.

“the Twitter sphere” is not reality.

R500 google it. Duh.

R501 I said "including."

It was yet another poor-judgment, hypocrisy-riddled feint

Warren confronting Bernie about the lie was like watching a teenager complain to her boyfriend about why he wants to break up with her.

She needs to stop with the fake attacks. As someone said upstream, it always comes out later that she did the same thing she accuses other people of doing making her look like a total calculating bitch who doesn't think she is going to be called out herself.

Plus gay men are sharp and quick, especially Pete. Never a good idea to verbally attach a gay man. Not afraid to scratch back with claws out.

[quote]Plus gay men are sharp and quick, especially Pete. Never a good idea to verbally attach a gay man. Not afraid to scratch back with claws out.

Or as I put it a debate or two back: "You DON'T cut a 'mo!" Pete takes zero shit when attacked.

Oh please, r507. Put a disgruntled black woman in front of him and nerdy Pete is ready to piss his pants. I don't buy it.