'Will & Grace' returning from hiatus

I thought everybody's timing seem weirdly off last night. This has been one strain season. It's no surprise there shelving this Misguided reboot

Loved the Judith Light joke. I must admit I had no idea that was Demi Lovato. When did she pack on the pounds?

And Seth Rudetsky!

First episode of the revival I rewatched. I also had no idea that was Lovato. She was pretty decent.

I thought it was hilarious. I didn't see the cast. Who played the ex-Annie with the spectacular voice? Was that Allison Smith? She really is an ex-Broadway Annie if it's her.

Looks like they are maybe setting Karen off to be lovers with the wheelchair guy?

Yup, Allison Smith.

[quote]Allison Smith's career started on Broadway at the age of nine, in the original production of "Evita", quickly followed by her landing the title role of "Annie" on Broadway in the musical "Annie" at the age of ten. She was the longest-running and youngest star of a Broadway musical at that time, playing the role for over 1,000 performances; nearly 3 years.

Had no idea Christopher Thornton was actually in a wheelchair in real life, but of course they wouldn't cast someone to pretend in this day and age.

[quote] It's no surprise there shelving this Misguided reboot

Oh, dear!

[quote] Had no idea Christopher Thornton was actually in a wheelchair in real life, but of course they wouldn't cast someone to pretend in this day and age.

He’s right you know.

Christopher Thornton must have enjoyed the fact that Megan did a good two or three minutes on how huge his dick was.

I thought it was a very good episode too, best so far this season....felt like old school W&G

Yeah, when Karen said "Bloody, Mary" it felt like watching the original run again. I'm basically just watching for those little flashes at this point, which is enough for me as I don't watch any other sitcoms.

Demi Lofato

Am I the only one who remembers the sitcom “The New Normal” about a gay couple and their surrogate...?

r13 I enjoyed that one a lot. Shame no one watched it.

R14 Seems like W&G is adopting a failed sitcom’s premise for its last gasp. So weird.

Enh, I don't mind. Let them educate the straight audiences about what goes into gay surrogacy. I'm not that familiar with the process myself and I found this episode really humanised it in a way.

Final episode: Molly Shannon should kill them all, then commit suicide.

Oh, gods, Molly Shannon. That reminds me... when is The Other Two coming back?

I think they should never have brought back the show it's just a sad reminder what it used to be.

It started off well, the reboot, then it went downhill as it became increasingly serialized.

I think they should have had the four of them interact together more it seems so disjointed. Like two separate shows. Lucille Ball would never have approved of this. Fred and Ethel never got separate storylines where they didn't interact with Ricky and Lucy.

In the early episodes of the reboot it was like that. But as the reboot has worn on there must be increasing tension behind the scenes, which is why they're split up.

Let's be honest though: Megan is the real star, the Lucy.

That most recent episode was awful, mostly unfunny. Old jokes, tired situations. What happened to Jack's new husband, "Estefan," Brian Jordan Alvarez. He and Jack were hilarious together. Up'd the games of the rest as well. Felt fresh and fun. That last episode was a snore. Surrogates...ugh.

I thought the opening scene with all 4 of them in Will’s apartment was off. Karen sitting way over on the couch while the rest of them were in the dining/kitchen area. Weird framing to get Karen into some of the shots. It didn’t look green screened but I wondered if they filmed Megan separately from the others and composited the shots in post.

I liked the Annie stuff but I have no interest in Will’s baby plans (I thought they dropped that story when he broke up with Bomer anyway.) And wheelchair guy and Karen have zero chemistry.

Oh, I thought wheelchair guy and Karen had a nice chemistry. I liked them together.

[quote]Let's be honest though: Megan is the real star, the Lucy.

Possibly, but she needs both Eric McCormack and Sean Hayes, and even Deb Messing, to work. Karen doesn't work on her own, she needs the leavening of those other characters.

Karen is still very funny and Will still has what I think is the ideal physique for wearing sweaters, the one I wish I had. That’s about all I can appreciate about the show nowadays.

They could have brought back Beverly Leslie if they really wanted to.

[quote]I thought the opening scene with all 4 of them in Will’s apartment was off. Karen sitting way over on the couch while the rest of them were in the dining/kitchen area. Weird framing to get Karen into some of the shots. It didn’t look green screened but I wondered if they filmed Megan separately from the others and composited the shots in post.

That's a classic Will & Grace shot - Karen rarely joined them at the table for breakfast in the past either. The implication being that she doesn't eat poor people food...

I can't stand BJA's character, so any episode he isn't in already scores higher marks from me. And I love when they get paired off - that was done constantly in the old show as well. Will + Karen, and Grace + Jack together is my favourite combination. Two great jokes among many in this episode:

[quote]It wasn't Sarah Jessica Parker, it was just a ladder.

[quote]Think how much skin cancer is in this room.

The episode with the Grief Panda was my favorite this season.

Poor Beverly Leslie.

r31 The Grief Panda episode was a good one, I agree.

Is Will straight yet?

Are he and Grace having a baby together?

I'm still so sad that W&G will be leaving us at the end of this season. I wasn't crazy about the most recent episode, but it's still a very funny show and well-written and well-acted. It's great, and the only one I watch. I love the cast.

I'm also sad. Fuck the petty offscreen drama. I can almost feel myself being transported to pre-Trumpian days when I'm watching it, so thanks for taking this comfort food away from me. 😩

The cast is hilarious thanks to such brilliant writing. I love the show. It's such a treat to hear some very funny, clever line and huge treat to see Karen Walker each week. W&G is still one of the best shows on television.

I want a Karen spin off. Have her managing the baseball team and dating Alec Baldwin. Give her a couple of sidekicks and an antagonist.

[quote]They could have brought back Beverly Leslie if they really wanted to.

They did. He appeared in two episodes in the first of the reboot seasons.

I don't know how I missed seeing the Keebler Elf.

This is the funniest episode of the reboot. Grace took a massive dump and even the plumber can't get rid of it.

With the start/stop I kinda forgot about this show. Factor in the drama, not interested.

No Karen in this episode. Must have been a rough shoot.

Why did they make Grace pregnant? It seems like she doesn't choose give two craps about this baby. She fell over the couch on her stomach and wasn't even the least bit concerned it might have hurt the baby.

Eric looks so old now.

They didn't even bother to mention Karen's name. They must have really been mad at her.

Is Meg a Republican now?

I guess Grace is s*** doesn't stink because they didn't mention how it smelled.

Such a pile of shit show. Throw it in a grease fire NOW.

I thought last night's episode was a real low. I can enjoy a good poo joke, but this was just juvenile. And the plotline just demonstrated how unfunny it is to have middle-aged people (Grace and Jack) never mature a bit over the years. They remain as self-centered as ever and such people are just boring and somewhat embarrassing in real life. When they were meant to be in their early 30s, the struggle towards maturity had a certain kind of amusement to it, as people that age can be going through an "awkward" stage--when they are pushing 50, they are who they are going to be. And Will is not going to be much of a father, either. The best acting came from the plumber (who did so much with very little) and Jack's husband who, while the Ricky Ricardo language mangling gets old, is sweet and funny. I won't be sorry when the show closes up. I don't want to see them in assisted living. Of course, Will would pay for that, too.

What happened to the plot of Will & Grace working together at her interior decorating business? How come they haven't brought back the plot of Grace's father being married to Will's mother? That could have been funny.

How does Wilma make so much money he can afford both his and Jack's lifestyle? Not to mention Grace's.

Jack is also supported by Karen and his mother too. What a leech what a Charming leech. 😉

The absence of Karen in last night's episode was very obvious. Comedically, she's a core member of that cast. However, if she's become a raging trumper, then I'm okay not seeing her on the show.

Megan has not become a raging Trumper, r52. Where do you get that shit? She may have become a nasty bitch, but she is definitely NOT a Republican.

R53 Not R52 but I think Meg is married to a Republican and because she’s so silent on Trump people have wondered if she’s become one too.

Isn't her husband more of a libertarian?

Yeah, Nick Offerman is SUCH a Trumper... Gee, do you people read some BS and then repeat it as a mantra?

Such a libertarian bro...

R52 says [quote] However, IF she's become a raging trumper, then I'm okay not seeing her on the show.

* IF *

I know it's easy to skip over words when you're screaming in hysterics, but each word does matter.

BTW, that assertion was here on DL, which is why I wrote *IF*.

But why would a liberal gay ally become a raging Trumper all of a sudden?

I'm surprised Twitter hasn't taken them apart for the Indian call centre worker.

^^IKR?

Roseanne was always off her tits. Megan isn't Roseanne.

Let me tell you about Deb Messing.

The original 6 seasons are comedy gold. They went heavy with celeb cameos season 7/8 which was awful but Will/Vince and Grace/Leo (as actors) had chemistry and made it work. Decent finale. They bring it back and Vince is now marrying a black guy (for diversity) Karen is dating a tranny and whatever else they fucking did to ruin this show. Some things are better off left alone.

R37 must be a parody post.

The writing has been terrible -- obvious, tired, sophomoric -- and the laugh track has to do most of the work...

I have like most of this reboot, all three seasons. But when there are clunkers, they are REAL clunkers, and last night's was the worst W&G I've ever seen. What idiot came up with that idea and thought it was good? If I were Deb Messing, I'd have refused to do it.

[quote]They bring it back and Vince is now marrying a black guy (for diversity)

What makes you think it was "for diversity"? Can't someone cast a black person now without some racist queen shouting "QUOTA!! For diversity!"

Eric McCormack looks sad most of the time. No spark.

The poop thing was such a disgusting turnoff. I’m legitimately appalled that this is what a primetime network sitcom has to give us. Friends didn’t even sink that low.

They could have come up with another scenario without involving the excessive excrement of a pregnant woman. It was disturbing.

The poop problem wasn't that she is pregnant, but that she inhaled a Mexican taco bowl before her date so she could eat lightly with the guy.

[quote] The poop problem wasn't that she is pregnant, but that she inhaled a Mexican taco bowl before her date so she could eat lightly with the guy.

#NewbieBottomProblems

Does anybody have any inside scoop about whether Grace actually has the baby she's pregnant with? Or she going to have a miscarriage and just raise Will's test tube baby as her own.

However the plot goes they better hurry it up, because there aren't very many episodes left

Maybe the last three seasons were all a dream and they go back to the original ending?

R54 it's fun to make stuff up, huh? Have you seen her Twitter? She HATES Trump.

Jack's husband is adorable.

It’s going to turn out that her giant bowel obstruction was misdiagnosed as a fetus and that she was never pregnant because, duh, she’s half a century old and accidental pregnancies don’t happen in old ladies.

That's not what a bowel obstruction is.

R79 You want to add logic to the show after all these years?

Maybe it's a hysterical pregnancy?

Maybe it’s a historical pregnancy and John Meecham is the father.

Maybe the father is the guy who raped her in it when she was a teenager? It wouldn't be that much of a stretch for this show.

Maybe the father is the guy who raped her in it when she was a teenager, and it turn out Karen paid the guy to do it because she saw teen Grace one day and didn’t like what Grace was wearing. And Karen showed up to Grace’s office all those years ago to continue the torment, and arranged for the man to come back and impregnate her just so Karen can tell Grace’s child when it’s a teenager that Karen paid the father to rape Grace when she was its age. Cue laugh track. And then a poo joke and then a Jew joke, and then a gay joke and then credits roll.

Friends had a monkey, R69. That will ALWAYS be worse.

Maybe Karen hired Beverly Leslie to slip her a Mickey and then he inserted into his Keebler Elf seed into her while she was tramping around in Europe yeah that could have happened!

Isn't it more likely she's not pregnant and it's the menopause?

[quote]Eric McCormack looks sad most of the time. No spark.

He's fucking hungry.

Is Hungry a new twink on the show?

Eric is a cutie

I think Eric looks really great at 56. He doesn’t look old-old, but he looks aged. He doesn’t look at all like he had disfiguring procedures to try to stay young looking.

Debra looks great for her age, too, even if in this photo she looks like a hybrid of Connie Britton and Marie Osmond.

Why wasn't Blind Gossip all over this mess?

We just watched an episode about Grace taking a giant shit at her boyfriend's house.

Megan Mullally was not in this episode. She chose wisely.

Not the biggest fan of scatological humour, but I thought it was well done here. How is Will paying for Jack's Lasik surgery and how is Jack's husband fine with that? So bizarre.

Will should be angrier at being used for money. I’ve had friends like him. At least now people don’t pretend that they will ever pay you back. They do their panhandling on line and ask for donations outright. I’m so tired of friends who constantly post GoFundMe or their PayPal info on social media begging for money. We are not here to bail you out of your chronic laziness and bad planning.

Where is the tribute to "I Love Lucy" episode that was taped weeks ago?

R97 I’d like to know as well.

In the new version Grace gets trapped in a wine vat full of poop instead of grapes. Hilarity ensues!

The subplot. Jack convinces will to buy him a pony cuz he never got one as a child. Poignant stuff.

February sweeps?

That ARE doing the grape stomping scene, but Megan is the one that plays Lucy in it. There are three sequences, Grace-as-Lucy doing Vitameatavegamin, Jack-as-Lucy doing the candy factory, & Karen-as-Lucy doing the grape stomping.

The triumph of the reboot.

There have been moments throughout these 3 seasons where some of the old magic crept in, but this season has just seemed sad. If I didn't know there was off-set tension, I'd have suspected something was up, particularly with how Megan's scenes with anyone else have been limited. You can tell Jack and Karen are over.

R101, Lucie Arnaz does a cameo as the candy factory supervisor.

"Speed it up a little!"

They should have used Lucie in all the sequences. She could have also been the woman in the grape tub with Lucy, and she could have been in drag at the tv director for Vitameatavegamin.

I wish Beverly Leslie had come back more often. He and Karen are very funny.

I still like the show and I'm sad it's ending. The cast is funny with great chemistry still.

Why wait till the end of the freaking run for Will & Grace to have their babies? The King of Queens ended the same way. Why can't we see these people as parents? What's so wrong with that concept?

Have you ever watched TV in the last 60 years? Babies are a drag on storytelling especially for an adult-oriented show like W&G.

I agree with Karen in a previous episode when she learned Grace was pregnant. Karen shrieked, "We don't do kids!"

I love the show, always have, but i too wish they didn't do kids.

[quote] Why can't we see these people as parents? What's so wrong with that concept?

Oh, honey... no.

Have you ever watched the show?? Those two are prime examples in an argument for forcible sterilization. Showing them trying to parent would be tantamount to showing a snuff movie on network television.

We don't know how it would turn out because they've never shown it on that show. It's like they like to dip their toes into the water but it's too cold and they take them out of the water because they're afraid their toes are going to freeze.

I want to see will cradle his baby he has so long for. I know, Mary!

Grace on the other hand has the maternal instincts of a gnat so I don't reallycare about her. She doesn't seem to be taking her growing baby very seriously based on the latest episodes. She doesn't even know who the freaking father is. Tramp!

They are not going to end up with children. They shouldn’t.

Then why go on with this charade?

18 episodes this season, so 11 more to go

As a gay man I really want to see will have his baby. I wonder though why he never considered adoption. That would have been an interesting storyline.

It would be great and trippy if the babies were played by the Olson twins.

Another terrible episode

So what happened between all of them? Why did Mullally walk for two episodes?

Yes this one was a clunker

I love W&G. Didn't care all that much for the "What a Dump" episode. Karen was missed tremendously.

Did the Lucy episode air already?

I thought the fighting ASMR thing was pretty funny. Nice to see them pair the ridiculous old folks with a ridiculous contemporary trend.

And the “You think being gay is enough? This isn’t 2002!” or whatever line came right out of DL. The kid had to be an adopted mixed-race child with a single teen mom who has two gay dads to get into an elite school...hahaha. (It’s funny ‘cause it’s true!)

But the interactions among the actors are all stale and clunky still.

I hated last night’s episode and I’m a big fan of the show. I’m so over the kid stuff. Not funny or interesting to me at least.

Another hilarious episode after last week's slump. Man, Karen makes all the difference. So glad they decided to cover ASMR!

The show does fall short on execution nowadays, and also writing depending on your taste level (poop!), but ASMR fighting is a hilarious conceit.

I love Larry.

I loathe Larry.

I loathe that actor - he's as annoying and nellie on Grace and Frankie as he is on W&G.

Larry will tear this thread apart.

Larry is a Mary and I’m OK with that.

A piece of crap. So insulting to the viewers to rehash the storylines they did with the original run. Pathetic. Throw the whole show in a grease fire.

Larry is the worst actor I’ve ever seen. Painfully dreadful

It's a deliberate acting/directorial choice to be anal and stilted like that. He acts differently in other projects I've seen him in.

R132 He’s the exact same in everything I’ve seen him in...

You're being obtuse and hyperbolic on purpose. He acted differently in AJ and the Queen, which just aired on Netflix.

R134 = Larry

So W&G is 2 for 2 in bland Final Seasons

8 for 2, troll

Megan Mullally and Sean Hayes both looked very tense in the last episode.

For real. 😶

Is ASMR something about trump?

Which is worse an entire episode about Grace shitting in her boyfriend's bathroom or making Casey Anthony jokes? Ew.

The first 16 episode season was fun.

It's become the same shit show it was during the last 4-5 seasons of its original run.

They should have been one-and-done season of reboot.

I stopped watching it halfway through the original run. I picked it up again now, but it is pretty dreadful and sinking fast

Go watch Riverdale and jerk off to KJ Apa then.

I definitely noticed some tension between Sean and Megan in their first scene together on last episode. They wouldn’t look each other in the eyes.

I love Will and Grace, and I wish it weren't ending just because they're in a lull. But I don't like this baby story line, and I don't care for Demi Lovato. Time is a wasting. Bring back Beverly Leslie, Parket Posey, Cher, Sandra Bernhard...somebody! But this baby thing is not a good way to end the show. And give Karen back her bang! I don't want a kinder, gentler Karen.

Tired shit.

Whatever happened to Jack's dog in the first season? Maybe they'll answer that question finally.

[quote] Whatever happened to Jack's dog in the first season? Maybe they'll answer that question finally.

I don't think writers themselves have any clue anymore what they did in S1 of the reboot. At this stage, they are just throwing shit at the wall trying to see what sticks for a couple of canned laughs.

Will and Grace having kids is almost as bad a TV idea as Rhoda getting married was. It’s really cast a pall over the final season.

Was the wheelchair guy wearing a wig?

[quote] Will and Grace having kids is almost as bad a TV idea as Rhoda getting married was. It’s really cast a pall over the final season.

It was literally the thing they undid in the first seconds of the reboot. Why they thought it would be worth doing now, again....just shows a complete lack of creativity.

The writers are total one trick ponies.

R151 Maybe they loved that plot point so much that they undid it just so that they could redo it.

Or maybe they hated it so much they undid it so that they could redo it better. I hope not, because they’re not doing it better.

It makes zero sense. Stop trying to justify it. It's idiotic and insulting to the viewers.

R152 exactly. the baby plot was better the first time around. At 50, it's weird.

I agree about the baby plot line being weird. It seems like a rehash.

Also, although the dialog between Karen and her booty call was funny, the guy is a terrible actor. I felt like I was watching a rehearsal or a high school version of the show when he had lines.

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That's a conservative rag...

Globe comment: "It doesn’t help that Debra Messing is obnoxious on and off the screen."

Let me tell you about Deb Messing.......

The magic just went away.

Who else is excited about tonight's episode with a gay theme?

Maybe tonight will be about pee or barf! That poop episode is going to be hard to top.

I can see now why Megan Mullally wanted to get off of the sinking ship as fast as she could.

Ryan Phillippe!

Is that Billie lourd playing Debbie Reynolds granddaughter?

....

My DVR can only record two programs at a time, and I had to choose among Grey's Anatomy, mom, and will and grace.

Sorry, will and grace, you did not make the cut.

It was actually a funny if derivative episode tonight.

The drawback of watching it on NBC on demand is that you cannot fast-forward through the damn commercials

I liked how they were kind of making fun of themselves at the end of the episode.

1. Karen Walker is simply not funny in the Trump era. Nor is Teefs Jr. even remotely a substitute for Rosario.

2. Sean Hayes' plastic surgery is really painful to look at in close-up. I still find Estefan sweet. And Ryan Phillippe was good at dead-pan

3. While it is interestingly twisted to see Bille Lourd, daughter of a hag and a gay man, play a woman determined to marry a fey bisexual (and channeling her grandmother, Debbie Reynolds, the once and always Bobbi Adler), the actual plot line was cringeworthy. I'm ten years older than Will and Grace and the "you're not bi, you're just gay-in-denial line bored me and made me wince.

I enjoyed the show for much of the first run, but it's been sad and a bit of a chore to watch this iteration of it.

The chemistry is not gone, but the creativity of the plot lines has diminished. And sadly, I say this as the number one Will & Grace fan. I am going to stick with it to the bitter end because I still like seeing the entire group. For the last few episodes...kill the baby story. please. Why, oh why was a baby story conceived--and not just one but two babies. Get rid of Demi Lovato. And no offense to the guy in the wheelchair, but Karen needs a greater comedic plot line. She's still wonderful and must-see TV.

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Did everyone learn the lesson in tonight's episode? I expect a 500 word essay on my desk tomorrow morning on the problematic intolerance of bisexuality.

The more you know!

Tonight's episode was funny! And I agree with Will...I won't acknowledge the "B!"

Karen: I can't die in coach. They'll find me among the poors. Ha!

I wish they would bring back Beverly Lesley for the final season. I love Karen and him insulting each other.

Ryan Philippe was adorable.

Tonight was fun. W&G are back!

Is Joel returning as the same character he played the first time ?

Karen thinking that sky was the only thing behind the curtain at the back of First Class was pretty hysterical.

Also, "They shrunk the vodka!!" was clever.

Cute gay boy playing bisexual

Nitpicking time.

Janet, her oldest sister never had any children that were mentioned before this episode. She was always portrayed as an irresponsible single person with no ties.

Still I think this was the best episode of the Season by far. Even with Karen perpetually on the sidelines.

[quote] Still I think this was the best episode of the Season by far.

Now, there's a low bar to jump over. It was still utterly mediocre - I forgot most of the "funny lines" 10 minutes after it was over.

DL fave Ryan Philippe on Will&Grace talking about gay sex, omg! I was googling his DL threads once and there was no end to them. He really was beloved here at one point. Like Armie Hammer and Henry Cavill are now. He's not as attractive anymore, though, which was kinda shocking to see. 😐

R184 it's called age Rose. And he's still hotter than many men his age

I know it's age. Still, shocking!

I'm surprised they didn't bring up his turn as gay Billy on One Life to Live. That really launched him.

And he kissed two men in 54.

Man, I loved him as Billy in that soap opera, what a summer that was…

This show made me think of some of the ignorant fucks on here who declare that bisexuality does not exist.

[quote] This show made me think of some of the ignorant fucks on here who declare that bisexuality does not exist.

They are stuck in the 90s.

R191 And probably still use mousse.

I don't watch the show for logic, but wouldn't Karen have thrown Jack out of first class and taken the seat herself?

In the old days she would have totally been a part of the Ryan Phillippe storyline.

You're so right, r184. Ryan Phillippe has totally aged out of his attractiveness.

Look at this decrepit carcass!

I love me some Joel McHale. I’ll have to finally watch the reboot one day. How many episodes is he in ?

The Billy storyline was so good in OLTL my Bastard father ruined a big dramatic moment for me. I was every emotionally involved and he unexpectedly came home so I switched watching in living room and went to my mothers room with him following me.

OP Coitus interruptus?

Ryan stills looks good. If only he didn't get those tattoos.

I DVR'd the episode with Ryan Phillippe and just got around to watching it today, and I was shocked just how short Ryan Phillippe was next to Sean Hayes. I Googled Ryan and he is listed as 5 foot 9 inches so he is probably closer to 5' 7", he appeared even shorter than he does in the below picture.

Vanessa Bayer has a fan

Who was the hottie toweling off last night???

Last night (02/13/20):

Worst.

Episode.

EVER!!!!!

Grace's schtick with the dog breeders/would-be baby adopters was the dumbest thing I've ever seen on TV. What absolute horseshit.

R202 worse than the poop episode? Hardly

Episode would've been better with Karen.

Miss Megan is having another moment

What’s with Joel McHales hair? Is it a horrible rug or a horrible transplant. It’s weird.

Last night's storyline with Grace parading around like a show dog was pure I Love Lucy comedy. Yes, it was silly, but sometimes silly = funny. Award-winning? No. Did we chuckle? Yes.

Would anyone have been put off if it had been Karen leading Jack around like a show dog? I doubt it.

I am wondering what went down.

Sean has been Megan's friend for a long, long time and if even he is siding with Deb Messing, that kinda makes me wonder......

I liked the episode where Will and Grace were trying to get a spot at that school, but they weren't diverse enough. That was pretty good commentary on the forced diversity issue going on these days where everything has to be a perfect mix or else you're not woke enough.

The talk that Will and Hector (I think that was his name) had about being closeted was pretty good.

R206 His hair and his breasts are fake. He asked his plastic surgeon to “Give me the full Manela Anderson treatment!”

The fake boobs are impressive when he’s half naked but in a tee shirt it looks very midway between Bruce and Caitlyn.

^^^Yea those are titties. Like a small B cup.

Just finished watching the last two episodes.

Man that bisexuality storyline was cringe worthy.

I'm married to a bi guy and have mostly bisexual friends. Never met or seen a fem bisexual in my life. The patronizing tone in this episode is bizarre.

You won't find an effeminate guy like that into women. They're really just in the closet.

Woke bullshit episode.

Bullshit r214 I know straight men who are far more feminine than me

[quote] Bullshit [R214] I know straight men who are far more feminine than me

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

If you show me a single legit bisexual man or straight who's a flamboyant walking stereotype of a gay fem like that unbelievable character I give a million dollars but I won't even bother because they don't exist.

Well, the fem guy can say he's straight. I knew one like that. I worked with him and everyone laughed behind his back. No way to prove it. People can say whatever they want. And plenty of gay men have fucked girls so....

[quote] And plenty of tops have fucked girls so....

Fixed it for ya'

Let me tell you about Deb Messing.

“You love me?! I slept with your son! AND your father! I broke your apartment with a massive poop! I violated a porpoise! And ENDED A SPECIES!”

I admit I giggled audibly during that part. Just that part. I also thought, oh God, don’t bring up the poop thing. I also thought, wait, was all that a setup to this punchline?

Really don’t know what to think about this series any longer. The bisexual lesson last week was didactic and Afterschool Special-y. And then the random church lesson this week, with Jack suddenly becoming a wise counselor and advocate for Catholicism...?! I sad it with a twinge of nostalgia-induced sadness, but Will and Grace needs to go now. Moral lessons fit for a child. Scat humor. All while encouraging us to laugh at the idea of an ancient man falling down a flight of stairs on a scooter. It’s just a fucking mess.

“You love me?! I slept with your son! AND your father! I broke your apartment with a massive poop! I violated a porpoise! And ENDED A SPECIES!”

I admit I giggled audibly during that part. Just that part. I also thought, oh God, don’t bring up the poop thing. I also thought, wait, was all that a setup to this punchline?

Really don’t know what to think about this series any longer. The bisexual lesson last week was didactic and Afterschool Special-y. And then the random church lesson this week, with Jack suddenly becoming a wise counselor and advocate for Catholicism...?! I sad it with a twinge of nostalgia-induced sadness, but Will and Grace needs to go now. Moral lessons fit for a child. Scat humor. All while encouraging us to laugh at the idea of an ancient man falling down a flight of stairs on a scooter. It’s just a fucking mess.

Not as bad as last week's "adoption" episode or the prior week's poopfest, but still way down there. The "religious Jack" attempt was a dismal failure and an insult to the audience, who know damn well that Jack is anything but religious. This is the worst downslide of a once-great sitcom since the disastrous Rosanne mess that originally ended that show's first go-round.

The writing is staler than Grace's uterus

Stupid STUPID show. Throw it in a grease fire.

Who the hell is the Slovenian terrorist??

I’m more intrigued by the real life feud than the show itself.

Which one is the Juliana Marguiles?

[quote]This is the worst downslide of a once-great sitcom since the disastrous Rosanne mess that originally ended that show's first go-round.

Your first mistake was believing that W&G was ever a "great" show.

Megan is the Marguiles. Last night was the first ep after she'd taken her 2-week break, and she shared no scenes with our Deb.

I dont know the whole story but I love how Deb was the only celebrity who took on that horrible Susan Sarrandon.