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thirtysomething Returns To ABC With New Episodes

the story will follow the children of the original characters, a new generation experiencing life in their 30s.

by Anonymousreply 24506/30/2020

Will it be called sixtysomething now? Or OK Boomer?

by Anonymousreply 101/09/2020

I loved the original series, but it was VERY of its time. This is not a concept that translates to millennials.

by Anonymousreply 201/09/2020

All trans children.

by Anonymousreply 301/09/2020

Ahhh... I remember the original show. Ten pages of script drawn out to 43 minutes.

by Anonymousreply 401/09/2020

Not going to happen with a set of all white characters. Some of the couples will have to be changed to have new multiracial relationships.

by Anonymousreply 501/09/2020

Dear Hollywood:

Kill. Me. Now.

Thanks,

Viewers

by Anonymousreply 601/09/2020

Why the fuck do we need this? I don't think there is any nostalgia feelings for this show.

by Anonymousreply 701/09/2020

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by Anonymousreply 801/09/2020

Wtf?? Why? Wasn’t it like Reaganism come to life?

by Anonymousreply 901/09/2020

I can't imagine anything grosser.

by Anonymousreply 1001/09/2020

Have you seen Ken Olin (dreamboat Michael Steadman) lately? Yeesh. Have any of the others (Elliott, Nancy, Hope ) worked at all since then?? Hard Pass on this. Unless Leo and Ethan are married!

by Anonymousreply 1101/09/2020

Don't see this going past one season.

by Anonymousreply 1201/09/2020

This is like the Murphy Brown and Mad About You reboots.

by Anonymousreply 1301/09/2020

A reboot that really showed the negative effects baby boomers and their richly-rewarded and perpetually-enabled malignant narcissism has had on our culture would be the only way this would work.

by Anonymousreply 1401/10/2020

R11, Oh, dear!

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by Anonymousreply 1501/10/2020

I guess they decided that bringing [italic]Moonlighting[/italic] back would be asking for the moon.

by Anonymousreply 1601/10/2020

Will Gary be resurrected? If not, forget it!

by Anonymousreply 1701/10/2020

Does this mean the "Patricia Wettig is the new Meryl Streep" campaign is starting up again?

by Anonymousreply 1801/10/2020

So they were laid off in advertising in the 90s and haven't worked since because no one will touch anyone over 45. Or is it a fantasy show?

by Anonymousreply 1901/10/2020

Surprised Melanie Mayron is not in the mix to return. Melissa always wanted a child.

by Anonymousreply 2001/10/2020

I believe it will be called "Like,thirtysomethink"

by Anonymousreply 2101/10/2020

was one of my fave shows bak in the day.....good drama with a dash of heart and bit of laffs. .. one of the best of that time.

by Anonymousreply 2201/10/2020

Wont it look like tokenism if they throw some blacks into the show just for....pc ness...

by Anonymousreply 2301/10/2020

I wonder whether Peter Frechette and David Marshall Grant's characters will have survived the '90s.

by Anonymousreply 2401/10/2020

How does the triumvirite of old networks hold on? Is it just ancient people watching local news stories about crime and weather, and middle Americans watching big sports?

They haven't produced anything in this century but, wait, a rehashed "woke, thirtysomething whinging adult kids of geriatric thirtysomethings" is going to turn the tide.

by Anonymousreply 2501/10/2020

More than anything the show looked great which is one of the reasons I liked it. It was filmed like a movie. I loved Peter Horton, damn he was fine.

by Anonymousreply 2601/10/2020

R23: I hope you can answer this honestly. Do you or people like you say things like that because you're actually racist (this is where the honesty part comes in) or you just don't know any people of color in your world and it worries you that one might pop up on your television screen?

by Anonymousreply 2701/10/2020

While I'm sick of reboots, the one thing that gives me hope this might actually turn out well: Herskovitz and Zwick are at the helm.

These guys know how to make great TV – from "thirtysomething" through "My So-called Life," "Once & Again," "Relativity" and "Nashville" – so hopefully that'll translate into a not-terrible series.

My guess is that ABC wants something to compete with "This is Us," thematically.

by Anonymousreply 2801/10/2020

Corey is still alive!

by Anonymousreply 2901/10/2020

Ken Olin is producing and directing This Is Us. Why would he leave successful show?

by Anonymousreply 3001/10/2020

^I bet he can't do both. This will be interesting. I really loved this show. Great storytelling without any crimes, mysteries or other bs. I especially loved the DAA advertising storyline. At the end Michael moved to L.A. to start a new company with Elliot, right? And Melissa ended up with this much younger guy Corey(?) ? Too bad we won't see her. Sally from MadMen would be great as Jane, but she is probably too young to play her.

by Anonymousreply 3101/10/2020

Michael planned to do that but then realized he had PTSD from Gary's death and couldn't go back to advertising or work. Also Hope wanted to go to Washington for a job and he didn't want to break up the family.

by Anonymousreply 3201/10/2020

Oh God, just no. I hated this show back then and hate it now.

by Anonymousreply 3301/10/2020

*Meant: I bet he can do both, not can't.

by Anonymousreply 3401/10/2020

[quote] My guess is that ABC wants something to compete with "This is Us," thematically.

So one of them will be about thirtysomething hundred pounds?

by Anonymousreply 3501/10/2020

would like to know how Luke Rossi looks now.

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by Anonymousreply 3601/10/2020

I didn’t own a television for most of the 1980’s (too busy working and going to clubs). Did I miss something? Mel Harris was a television madonna, right?

by Anonymousreply 3701/10/2020

Slightly off topic.... radio DJ Delilah sounds EXACTLY like Patricia Wettig.

by Anonymousreply 3801/10/2020

This was a great show and had more depth than being a mere yuppie dramedy. I was kid/tween when this was on and I remember staying up sometimes to watch it and even though some of the themes went over my head, I knew then it was quality and it didn't hurt that Ken Olin was so handsome. I've since watched it as an adult in its entirety and it was indeed a very well written and surprisingly not completely dated show. I think a lot of it still holds up today and the actors were all ace, especially Patricia Wettig and Timothy Busfield (the Elliot/Nancy relationship definitely eclipsed the Hope/Michael relationship). I also loved that they didn't neglect the single characters (Melissa, Gary, Ellen) and gave them fully fleshed out lives rather than just serving as ornaments for the married couples. That being said, I'm sure a reboot will be a pale imitation of the original.

by Anonymousreply 3901/10/2020

That still doesn't forgive ABC putting two of the worst sitcoms ever at 8:00 and 8:30.

by Anonymousreply 4001/10/2020

To me the point of reboot, though, is revisiting the original characters. So I would hope they get screen time. All I remember about the kids is Janey was a toddler, Leo was a name I wouldn't have given a kid, and Ethan should have been drowned.

by Anonymousreply 4101/10/2020

Of course if it's modern 30 somethings, they'll all be living in their parents' basement. Well, most of them. ;)

by Anonymousreply 4201/10/2020

Ken Olin without stage/film makeup looks like Francis Ford Coppola in his director chair.

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by Anonymousreply 4301/10/2020

I loved thirtysomething and LA Law and never missed an episode. I also loved their opening credits.

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by Anonymousreply 4401/10/2020

Ken Olin was so gorgeous when he was on the show (he was like a more attractive Zachary Quinto). Time hasn't exactly been kind to his appearance, but he doesn't seem like someone concerned with vanity these days.

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by Anonymousreply 4501/10/2020

The show that invented the phrase "White People Problems."

by Anonymousreply 4601/10/2020

[quote]To me the point of reboot, though, is revisiting the original characters.

Tell us about it.

by Anonymousreply 4701/10/2020

SNL did a funny commercial parody.

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by Anonymousreply 4801/10/2020

This is Ken from 2018. He could look good enough to play one of the parents of the new thirtysomethings.

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by Anonymousreply 4901/10/2020

[quote] Have any of the others (Elliott, Nancy, Hope ) worked at all since then??

Did you not watch The Sally Field Programme?

by Anonymousreply 5001/10/2020

He looks like a blogger.

by Anonymousreply 5101/10/2020

Mel Harris... that rarest of Hollywood creatures... no to not much work done and looks great. From 2018.

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by Anonymousreply 5201/10/2020

and... Melissa...

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by Anonymousreply 5301/10/2020

Lord, I hated this show when it originally aired and thought it was a snooze fest 😴. The dialogue moved so slow. Why they’re resurrecting this shit is beyond me.

by Anonymousreply 5401/10/2020

[quote]Ahhh... I remember the original show. Ten pages of script drawn out to 43 minutes.

This sums it up perfectly right here.

by Anonymousreply 5501/10/2020

Olin would look amazing without that beard and a proper hair dye.

They all still look good. Only Melanie looks a bit haggard, but she's doing well as a director and is not part of this, right?

by Anonymousreply 5601/10/2020

Polly Draper in 2016... again if there's work it's so well done.

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by Anonymousreply 5701/10/2020

Wettig

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by Anonymousreply 5801/10/2020

I wasn't quite thirtysomething myself when the original show aired, but I loved it. Enjoyed the writing and dialog, the sets and storylines. It was one of the first shows to talk about real themes like cancer, AIDS, financial and career woes in any sort of meaningful way. I get how people looking for lighthearted distraction from real life wouldn't like this show, and there were certainly lots of detractors. Still, they won plenty of awards and most of the cast went on to other things in front and behind the camera.

Will be pleasantly surprised if the reboot turns out well. Not holding my breath, but I hope it's good.

by Anonymousreply 5901/10/2020

Why aren't Polly and Melanie joining the reboot? Jesus, Ellen was such an uptight, boring character they probably did not know what to do with her in the reboot. I will miss Melissa though.

by Anonymousreply 6001/10/2020

R60: While the focus will be on the four original cast members whose characters are key to the storyline created by Herskovitz and Zwick, more original actors could pop in should the project go to series as expected, Burke said. (is the ABC exec.)

by Anonymousreply 6101/10/2020

[quote]and there were certainly lots of detractors

I just didn't see the big deal. When I was thirtysomething, it was the Great Depression and Sal and I were worried about putting food on my family's table. These kids are spoiled.

by Anonymousreply 6201/10/2020

The dead guy could appear as a ghost. Oh, wait—do ghosts age?

by Anonymousreply 6301/10/2020

^Haven't seen The Irishman, yet?

by Anonymousreply 6401/10/2020

wasn’t Melanie Mayron rumored to be a DL’er back in the day?

by Anonymousreply 6501/10/2020

I want to know if grandma Melissa is still banging the hot painter in 2020.

And was the gay ad guy actually HIV positive or was he just scared after unprotected sex? I don't remember.

by Anonymousreply 6601/10/2020

And while this show was new, ABC brought back [italic]Mission: Impossible[/italic] even after having passed on the reboot on [italic]What's Happening!![/italic], which was still on in syndication.

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by Anonymousreply 6701/10/2020

Elliott was one of the.most repulsive characters ever on TV. I couldn't watch his scenes.

by Anonymousreply 6801/10/2020

Elliott was a frustrated horndog who thought he was entitled to more bedroom action.

by Anonymousreply 6901/10/2020

Heterosexual men are jerks. I'm tired of watching them on TV.

by Anonymousreply 7001/10/2020

So, really, Elliott was everyman.

by Anonymousreply 7101/10/2020

Of all the children Ethan was the one who had real storylines.

His angst about his parents divorce was shown through that fantasy world Nancy later turned into a children's book.

As for This is Us it wouldn't exist without thirtysomething its creators proudly talk about the influence the show had on them.

As for tokenism it was criticized back then by the perpetually-oppressed-black of its day for being too WASPy which is ridiculous. A show should be allowed to portrayal whatever the writers want. I always laugh at the token blacks in predominantly white settings because I know in real life not a single POC would exist on that reality it looks fake and forced at least Herskovitz and Zwick didn't pretend they were woke and they were really the wokest in Television back then.

by Anonymousreply 7201/10/2020

A black family moved into the cul-de-sac on [italic]Knots Landing[/italic] the same year this show premiered, R72.

by Anonymousreply 7301/10/2020

Nancy's (Patricia Wettig) cancer was ovarian , right? Is it at all realistic that she would survive that and be alive almost 30 years later? And is Patty Heaton still her oncologist?

by Anonymousreply 7401/10/2020

[quote]As for tokenism it was criticized back then by the perpetually-oppressed-black of its day for being too WASPy which is ridiculous.

Indeed. It was infinitely more Jewy than WASPy.

by Anonymousreply 7501/10/2020

[italic]The Middle[/italic] is off the air so she can come back to it at any time if they ask.

by Anonymousreply 7601/10/2020

Funny, I found Patricia Heaton quite likeable as an actress on the show. Then her incessant whining about being disliked for her politics turned me off her.

by Anonymousreply 7701/10/2020

[quote]As for tokenism it was criticized back then by the perpetually-oppressed-black of its day for being too WASPy which is ridiculous.

Half the cast were Jewish.

by Anonymousreply 7801/10/2020

They had black characters and even gay characters (portrayed in a favourable way for the time and Aids hysteria). One of the executives at the ad agency was black and an acquaintance/friend of Michael and Elliot.

by Anonymousreply 7901/10/2020

No internet then so no spoilers and I was shocked when they killed off Gary.

by Anonymousreply 8001/10/2020

The producers contemplated giving Gary a black girlfriend before deciding upon Suzanna for all the others to hate, though they gave her a black assistant played by the great Lynne Thigpen. There were black characters in the later seasons - one of the ad executives and his wife played by Angela Bassett, and some women Hope encountered at the homeless shelter.

by Anonymousreply 8101/10/2020

Gary's death was a great piece of writing and not bad acting.

by Anonymousreply 8201/10/2020

[quote]and some women Hope encountered at the homeless shelter.

Yeah, the homeless crackheads were black. Gotta love the 80s!

by Anonymousreply 8301/10/2020

[quote]No internet then so no spoilers

And that cunt Mimi had yet to add nighttime shows to her rag.

by Anonymousreply 8401/10/2020

They had planned to kill Nancy off but the reaction to her illness caused a flood of requests from cancer survivors to keep her alive. Since they wanted to have a character die in the show, they chose Gary instead since the actor wanted to leave anyway.

by Anonymousreply 8501/10/2020

Neighborhoods like the one these characters lived in were lily-white back in the 80s, there was NO diversity. Today, there are Asian and Indian families in those kinds of neighborhoods, but they're still mostly white.

by Anonymousreply 8601/10/2020

I wasn't even allowed to stay up that late to watch it, R82, but I still knew about it.

by Anonymousreply 8701/10/2020

Couldn’t stomach it then, won’t watch it now.

by Anonymousreply 8801/10/2020

There was a black woman who managed the shelter who gave Hope a lot of grief for her volunteering.

by Anonymousreply 8901/10/2020

They still had more black people than [italic]F(r)iends[/italic] without being goaded into resorting to tokenism.

by Anonymousreply 9001/10/2020

They could have Emma marrying Ethan or Leo and then bring back Patricia Kalember.

by Anonymousreply 9101/10/2020

They're calling it thirtysomething(else)

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by Anonymousreply 9201/10/2020

LOL, R18, I remember that heavy-handed PR push, which intensified after her scenery-chewing turn in “Guilty by Suspicion”!

by Anonymousreply 9301/10/2020

M doesn't chew the scenery. She just swallows it whole.

by Anonymousreply 9401/10/2020

Fans of the Sally Field Programme will remember that some of the stink of "Thirtysomething" was on that show.

Patricia Wettig played Holly, of course, and Ken Olin was there as an actor and a producer. David Marshall Grant, who played Russell (one of the gay characters) on Thirtysometing, went on to be the showrunner at Brothers & Sisters, too.

by Anonymousreply 9501/10/2020

Sat across from Mayron when both she and a friend were auditioning for Crocodille Dundee Part 3. Told her how much I loved and identified with her character from the show. She appreciated it.

BTW, it has a kick-ass soundtrack.

by Anonymousreply 9601/10/2020

[quote] Fans of the Sally Field Programme will remember that some of the stink of "Thirtysomething" was on that show.

That was nothing compared to the stink from the two shitty sitcoms that ABC started their Tuesday night lineup with. The stench from those two stink bombs could take down a fully-grown African elephant! To this day, I want reparations for both of them.

by Anonymousreply 9701/10/2020

Wanna bet there will be a trans?

by Anonymousreply 9801/10/2020

R93 - is that the film where de Niro plays a Elia Kazan-type and Patricia plays a Gale Sondergaad-type?

by Anonymousreply 9901/10/2020

Shirley Knight is still alive. She can come back as Hope's mother.

by Anonymousreply 10001/10/2020

[quote] Wanna bet there will be a trans?

They're pushing it on [italic]Saved by the Fucking Bell[/italic] now. I knew there was a reason I hated that goddamn fucking show. If they go down this path, I will boycott this and denounce the original series.

by Anonymousreply 10101/10/2020

Melanie Mayron looked 45 on this show

by Anonymousreply 10201/10/2020

That hideous red dyed hair did her no favors.

by Anonymousreply 10301/10/2020

Nico Tortorella will be playing the gender non-binary child of Wetting and Olin, and he will be married to a Trans woman of color. They will have adopted children from China and Africa.

by Anonymousreply 10401/10/2020

Would have sucked Michael Steadman until he was dry. I'll bet that bitch Hope never gave him the head he deserved.

by Anonymousreply 10501/10/2020

No one wants to see white people on tv anymore. Not even white people.

by Anonymousreply 10601/10/2020

I still like white people.

by Anonymousreply 10701/10/2020

I don't really care for 30-something but I can't wait for the reboot of Once and Again: Once and Again and Again. God, I used to love that TV show so much. Also the last opportunity to watch Mischa Barton not yet drug-addled and commit to scissoring with Rachel Evan Wood.

by Anonymousreply 10801/10/2020

I hope they get the Tuesday at 10 slot again.

by Anonymousreply 10901/10/2020

Mel Harris has been married about 8 times. That's a biography I'd like to read.

by Anonymousreply 11001/10/2020

More Francis Ford Olin from 2018. with Dan Fogelman, creator of "This Is Us."

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by Anonymousreply 11101/10/2020

Rabidly homophobic series, could never be made in this day and age.

by Anonymousreply 11201/10/2020

This scene from the "rabidly homophobic" series resulted in certain advertisers dropping sponsorship of the show.

The Advocate.com said of this story line in the show-

[quote] (1989-1991) Heralded as one of the best shows ever on television by TV Guide, Thirtysomething depicted not just the lives of heterosexual baby boomers, but also the life of Peter Montefiore (Peter Frechette), a gay artist who contracted HIV from one of his sexual partners. The series entered new prime-time territory when it showed Peter naked and in bed with boyfriend Russell (David Marshall Grant), apparently after the two had sex on a first date. The episode provided a candid look into the lives of gay men without mainstream filters and lost some advertisers because of it.

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by Anonymousreply 11301/10/2020

Herskovitz and Zwick are responsible for pretty much the gay firsts on primetime network TV. They showed the first gay couple in bed in Thirtysomething as R113 pointed out, the first regular openly gay teenager of color in My so-called life and the very first open mouth and tongue kiss of lesbians with Relativity a show with a regular lesbian character played by Lisa Edelstein, not to mention Evan Rachel Wood and Micha Barton's lesbian storyline in Once and Again.

So learn your gay history before calling their shows homophobic.

by Anonymousreply 11401/10/2020

My Boomer parents and their Boomer friends LOVED thirtysomething back in the day. It was "their show." Even as an adolescent, I thought it was self-indulgent, navel-gazing horseshit.

by Anonymousreply 11501/10/2020

We didn't notice the self-indulgent, navel-gazing because we were more concerned with other things.

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by Anonymousreply 11601/10/2020

God, watching a tv show just because a "hot guy" was on it. Do people even do that anymore?

by Anonymousreply 11701/10/2020

[quote] the life of Peter Montefiore (Peter Frechette), a gay artist who contracted HIV from one of his sexual partners

Stereotype #1.

[quote] The series entered new prime-time territory when it showed Peter naked and in bed with boyfriend Russell (David Marshall Grant), apparently after the two had sex on a first date.

Stereotype #2.

by Anonymousreply 11801/11/2020

Well, showing two healthy gay men reading poetry to each other on their first date during the high of a national health crisis isn't exactly thought provoking or helpful. If you guys remember, Reagan did not even acknowledge Aids and the deaths and suffering of the gay community for several years. The producers of thirtysomething showed two gay men having an active sex life for the first time on screen and acknowledged the impact and fear AIDS had on the gay community. What else could you expect at that time?

But I agree that now is the time to step away from any stereotypes and show gay men as "normal" people, friends, colleagues, neighbors, lovers, couples or parents on screen.

by Anonymousreply 11901/11/2020

[quote]What else could you expect at that time?

The Clayton and Doug [italic]Golden Girls[/italic] episode overlapped with this show's final season.

by Anonymousreply 12001/11/2020

[quote] Well, showing two healthy gay men reading poetry to each other on their first date during the high of a national health crisis isn't exactly thought provoking or helpful.

The Hell it isn't. Seeing a gay male couple do something unrelated to the fear of death would have done a great deal of good to a great many young gay men.

It's one thing for [italic]St. Elsewhere[/italic] to do a story about AIDS contracted through unprotected gay sex when they're actually set in a hospital. Their job is literally to treat with the sick and the dying. Showing a gay couple not be sick and dying would be a step in the right direction, Miss Price.

by Anonymousreply 12101/11/2020

^Sorry, I disagree. I thought it was handled well and necessary.

by Anonymousreply 12201/11/2020

Sorry, I disagree with your disagreement and submit that only an Uncle Tom could possibly not be offended by that.

by Anonymousreply 12301/11/2020

And of course, both of the gay men are white and neither of them are Jewish.

by Anonymousreply 12401/11/2020

Oh, for Christ's sake... it was the early 90s. All anybody thought was that gay men and fear of death went hand in hand - including most gay men. We lived with fear of this disease that no one understood and that killed you. That we could see two normal men (and I don't recall nor can I find any reference to Montefiore being positive) after having sex was somewhere between the Magna Carta and I have A Dream. It was a terrific, thoughtful and brave episode in that time and place.

by Anonymousreply 12501/11/2020

R123 Who cares what you think? You can't even have a discussion without using petty nicknames. Says a lot about you. These scenes obviously freaked out conservative advertisers and opened the door for future gay storylines on other shows.

by Anonymousreply 12601/11/2020

Advertiser-supported TV was the problem in the first place.

by Anonymousreply 12701/11/2020

R125's definition of "normal" is "conforming to oppressive stereotypes of men."

Gay TV characters exist only to either reinforce oppressive stereotypes of gays or to reinforce equally oppressive stereotypes of men. Saying gay men are only desirable if they perform masculinity is homophobic and sexist.

by Anonymousreply 12801/11/2020

[quote]All anybody thought was that gay men and fear of death went hand in hand - including most gay men.

Tell that to Danny fucking Pintauro, who singlehandedly proved that all that changed nothing.

by Anonymousreply 12901/11/2020

If you guys read the post, you would know it's about the kids of the original characters who are now 30 somethings. A show featuring Millennials and maybe guest spots by parents - who don't speak millennial and someone in the new cast will get to say "Ok Boomer"

by Anonymousreply 13001/11/2020

I can only remember one line from the show ( I didn't watch it consistently.)

The show took place in the early days of internet access, and there wasn't even a Google yet. Hope (Micheal's wife) was complaining that the Internet seemed to be filled with tons of porn, so a guy explained to her, "If they removed all the porn from the Internet, there would only be one website left. And it would be called "Bring Back the Porn."

by Anonymousreply 13101/11/2020

[quote][R125]'s definition of "normal" is "conforming to oppressive stereotypes of men."

R125's definition of normal reflects two men who defied the stereotypes in the late 80s/early 90s.

You're a fool.

by Anonymousreply 13201/11/2020

R125 - the Peter Montefiore character admitted to being diagnosed with HIV in the later episode "Closing the Circle" and that made him decide to leave the ad agency.

by Anonymousreply 13301/11/2020

Will Melissa Gilbert Busfield be making a guest star appearance?

by Anonymousreply 13401/11/2020

R115, your Boomer parents and their Boomer friends probably spent time during commercial breaks and after the show discussing their spoiled, entitled offspring.

by Anonymousreply 13501/11/2020

They spent their time creating their spoiled, entitled offspring who grew up to embrace OK Boomer.

by Anonymousreply 13601/11/2020

No r135 they were much too self-involved to care.

by Anonymousreply 13701/11/2020

They were doing their job! You had enough coddling! I hope they sat around drinking Chardonnay and eating brie in between pot breaks on the deck.

by Anonymousreply 13801/11/2020

Nobody was coddled, believe me lol!

by Anonymousreply 13901/11/2020

"thirtysomething" premiered at the beginning of my senior year of high school, with a lot of hype in the weeks before. I watched about ten minutes of the first episode and hated it. Turned it off and forgot about it. Nearly two years later, I found myself with nothing to watch during summer rerun season (primitive times) and tuned in to an episode from the middle of the second season (Ellyn questioning her relationship with Woodman). Somehow I was hooked almost immediately. Was devoted to the show for its last two seasons, and crushed by its abrupt, unceremonious, premature end. We can't judge "thirtysomething" by today's standards--but it was actually quite prescient on a number of issues, such as the environment, cancel culture, changing family dynamics, and technology's alienating potential. Several of the actors were top-notch, and most of the others were quite good; the writing and direction were strong and creative; and it had a verisimilitude in the dialogue, set design, and character development that I've never seen before or since, certainly on network television.

Oh, and Ken Olin as Michael was HAF--sweet, protective, alternately insecure and confident, perhaps a tad too introspective at times but just the right amount of hairy....

by Anonymousreply 14001/11/2020

Thirtysomething was more groundbreaking than most her understand. From its fragmented storytelling paying tribute to Kurosawa and Bergman (episodes from multiple points of views, dream sequences, etc they even had an entire episode backwards) to set design and blocking, this show changed TV language forever. It's still studied in Film school for what it did.

I was a baby when this show came up but I had to study it in film school, that's how important it is. What some of you don't get it is that they were doing in the late 80s and early 90s on network tv what premium cable would only dare to try 15 years later with the so-called golden age of TV.

Dismissing the groundbreaking of everything involving the gay storyline, which wasn't a special episode but almost an entire mouth worth of storyline with the couple with today's standards is stupid. It was groundbreaking in every aspect as someone here already pointed out.

by Anonymousreply 14101/11/2020

The most controversial thing about the gay episode today would be the two of them smoking. Progress, I guess.

by Anonymousreply 14201/11/2020

Good insights, R140 and R141. The creators and writers gave a knowing nod to James Joyce's 'The Dead' in the post funeral scene after Gary's death. And there was a 'Stop At Willoughby' episode that was a direct descendant of The Twilight Zone. Many of the cast became directors of several episodes. While M*A*S*H* had explored the dramedy format, thirtysomething was able to infuse some humor into serious topics.

And agreed: Ken Olin as Michael Steadman was the DILF-yest DILF who ever DILFed.

by Anonymousreply 14301/11/2020

[quote][R125]'s definition of normal reflects two men who defied the stereotypes in the late 80s/early 90s.

The same stereotypes [italic]sWill & disGrace[/italic] doubled down on at the end of the 1990s and since then.

by Anonymousreply 14401/12/2020

Here's an interesting oral history of the seminal gay episode and how ABC reacted to it.

I'm sharing the link at the exact time they talk about it. In case it doesn't load, it starts at 38:56.

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The irony in all of this is that back in 1989 when the episode aired, it was written by a gay writer and the two actors were also gay. Talk about being ahead of its time. I bet most SJW don't even know about it.

Here's the full episode in case people want to have a lesson in gay history. The gay scene starts at 20:22.

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by Anonymousreply 14601/12/2020

[quote]I bet most SJW don't even know about it.

Oh honey, gay white males? No thanks.

by Anonymousreply 14701/12/2020

Chris Wood cast as Leo.

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by Anonymousreply 14802/07/2020

No Melanie Mayron? Too bad.

by Anonymousreply 14902/07/2020

Will they have the original theme song? Loved that.

by Anonymousreply 15002/07/2020

R143 The episode that’s an hommage to Joyce’s The Dead is Happy New Year (Gary is still alive).

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by Anonymousreply 15102/07/2020

I stand corrected, thank you R151

by Anonymousreply 15202/07/2020

I wonder how long it will be before Chris cheats on Melissa with another co-star 🤔

by Anonymousreply 15302/07/2020

I wholeheartedly agree with R141. "thirtysomething" was and remains one of the best drama series of all time. I very much look forward to the update, especially given the involvement of the original creators.

by Anonymousreply 15402/07/2020

Check out the episode in R146, at the 0:35 min mark. A dream sequence with Melissa fighting herself in the ring. It could have been done so that without context, you know it's a dream or spoof but it's done straight. I guess I'm going to rewatch thirtysomething.

by Anonymousreply 15502/08/2020

Will there be a gay couple on the reboot?

by Anonymousreply 15602/08/2020

^ Leo looks like a bit of a fuck up... he could be a badly behaved gay too but no basis for thinking they'd go there. I can't believe there won't be a gay couple. There's enough kids scattered about... the Steadmans had two, Eliot and Nancy had two, Gary had one.

by Anonymousreply 15702/08/2020

Let me guess - there’s no gay couple, but a trans character instead?

The show seemed dated and boring back then, so if they can’t even have a gay male couple in 2020, I definitely have no desire to see this shit.

by Anonymousreply 15802/08/2020

r157 Can you imagine what a priss Susanna would be if her son was gay?

by Anonymousreply 15902/08/2020

One of the kids will probably be bisexual at the very least. Making them all straight would just be ridiculous.

by Anonymousreply 16002/08/2020

R157 - particularly as she gave birth to a girl - Emma.

by Anonymousreply 16102/08/2020

R159, Suzanna and the late Gary had a little girl. But I guess they could be trans. I'm sure something gay will show up somewhere. The creators also did 'My So Called Life" and "Once And Again", which both featured gay teens.

by Anonymousreply 16202/08/2020

[quote]baby boomers and their richly-rewarded and perpetually-enabled malignant narcissism

Now THAT'S a mouthful.

by Anonymousreply 16302/08/2020

Never saw the first series so I won't be watching this one.

by Anonymousreply 16402/08/2020

If there's a child trans, I'm not watching. The struggle of gay people has barely been told. Unless the trans is like the nosy neighbour and hilarity ensues.

by Anonymousreply 16502/08/2020

[quote] No Melanie Mayron? Too bad.

Isn't Melanie openly lesbian? I think so. Why isn't she attached? I loved Melissa. Winnie Holzman once said that Angela from My so-called Life was meant to be a younger version of Melissa.

[quote] One of the kids will probably be bisexual at the very least. Making them all straight would just be ridiculous.

It's a given this show will have a gay or lesbian character, possibly both. All shows from Herskovitz and Zwick had at least one of them as main characters in a time it was actually daring to have one. Let's hope they won't go the trans or non binary bullshit route, that would ruin for me.

Another good thing about them is that they write ensemble pieces so all characters end up having as much importance as any other.

I think of all the characters, Elliot is the most prone to not accept a gay son. Can you imagine if Ethan is bi or gay? I'd love to see this dynamic. Assuming Nancy and Elliot are on speaking terms.

by Anonymousreply 16602/08/2020

Even if all of the original cast isn’t attached (like Melanie M. for example) I hope they’ll at least all make appearances.

by Anonymousreply 16702/08/2020

The original was the Whining Yuppie show. The remake will have to be the Triggered Millennial show.

by Anonymousreply 16802/08/2020

[quote]The original was the Whining Yuppie show. The remake will have to be the Triggered Millennial show.

We should have "The Gen X Show" An hour of Gen Xers yelling "you're both cunts!" at Boomers and Millennials.

by Anonymousreply 16902/08/2020

Yes, Mayron is openly gay. Was she really a DLer?

by Anonymousreply 17002/09/2020

I'd rather they revived Once & Again.

It's a far superior show when re-viewed.

Marin wants it too.

(but please don't bring back her BF)

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[quote] If there's a child trans, I'm not watching. The struggle of gay people has barely been told. Unless the trans is like the nosy neighbour and hilarity ensues.

I've had enough of the adult ones as it is. [italic]Saved by the Bell[/italic] would suck with or without this insidious ex-gay propaganda, but I draw the line on pushing it on a quality adult-centric drama.

by Anonymousreply 17202/10/2020

Well, that's too bad R171, because we're [italic]having[/italic] Thirtysomething.

by Anonymousreply 17302/10/2020

It can't start soon enough. I was still a kid when it first aired and for someone from a working class family the transition from a struggling self employed adman to a very successful businessman was fascinating. Even though they were all privileged and some even had Ivy League educations, I still loved the struggles of building a career, family, buying a house, sickness, insurance and marriage troubles.

What do you guys think happened to Michael, Elliot and Hope over the years? I think Michael first supported Hope with her new job, but eventually was offered a position in an even bigger ad agency. Nancy and Elliot eventually divorced and Elliot became a struggling director while Nancy became a successful writer, artist or designer. Ellen? Probably the same boring job with more money or she decided to run for office in Philadelphia. Melissa? No idea. But I doubt she became a famous photographer.

by Anonymousreply 17402/11/2020

I want nothing but gay characters on this version. I’m sick of pandering to our oppressors by being expected to validate their existence at every fucking turn.

by Anonymousreply 17502/11/2020

There's no doubt that Hope and Michael would have been divorced.

by Anonymousreply 17602/11/2020

Mayron was the best thing in it....and Draper.

by Anonymousreply 17702/11/2020

^Draper?

by Anonymousreply 17802/11/2020

Draper, Polly >

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^Haha, totally forgot about her. Thanks.

by Anonymousreply 18002/11/2020

I used to watch reruns (they were on Bravo or A&E or something) as a teenager in the 1990s because I fell in love with Ken Olin after he played a cop in a great short-lived show called EZ Streets. Thirtysomething was horribly dated then and it had only been off the air for a few years at that point.

Olin showed impressive range in the two shows though.

by Anonymousreply 18102/11/2020

Also, there are a lot of really great network TV series from the 1990s that were short-lived like EZ Streets that I would love to see revivals of.

by Anonymousreply 18202/11/2020

I'd rather see how the original are living as retirees.

Need more older folks drama. Why not enjoy life at that age? Are you going to commit suicide at age 60? Come on.

by Anonymousreply 18302/11/2020

[quote] I'd rather see how the original are living as retirees. Need more older folks drama. Why not enjoy life at that age? Are you going to commit suicide at age 60? Come on.

As pointed out, their shows are ensemble pieces, so although they're focusing on the kids, the parents will have just as much exposure. It happened to all their previous shows.

by Anonymousreply 18402/13/2020

Who are they missing? I know they killed off hottie Peter Horton. What about Melanie Mayron?

by Anonymousreply 18502/13/2020

What’s next, an [italic]LA Law[/italic] reboot?

by Anonymousreply 18602/13/2020

Too bad Ken Olin has changed so dramatically over time. Fuck, was he ever handsome. I wanted to milk his cock and balls for every last pearly drop of his very soul back in the day.

Hopefully, he'll work out and thin down in prep for this show.

by Anonymousreply 18702/13/2020

[quote]What’s next, an LA Law reboot?

Great idea! Let's have a show about 75 year-old lawyers in LA!

by Anonymousreply 18802/13/2020

[quote]Hopefully, he'll work out and thin down in prep for this show.

You want the young gay look for him, right?

He'd look GREAT!..even though he's 65, he'd better fuckin' hit the gym and get on the gay diets.

And when he approaches 80, who knows...democratic candidate for President Of The USA!

by Anonymousreply 18902/13/2020

Olin isn’t going to change. I’d just be happy if he shaved of his scraggly beard.

by Anonymousreply 19002/13/2020

Ellen was annoying. Melissa was wonderful. The cancer arc (except for the new age episode) was probably the most realistic thing ever put on tv on the subject (I worked with cancer patients at the time). Wettig was underrated as an actress. Busfield was annoying. Olin was eye candy. Susanna was probably the most unlikable character ever on tv. The story design, lighting, etc. were one of the few times that a show was really contemporary. The show was a real mixed bag.

by Anonymousreply 19102/13/2020

Susannah really was a cunt.

I hated Ellyn with a y, but she was reminiscent of a lot of single women at the time. Her relationship with Hope was really one-sided and masochistic (and in retrospect, Hope was really the worst of them all, except maybe Elliot, but at least Elliot knew he was a fuckup, unless Perfect Hope).

by Anonymousreply 19202/13/2020

The straight, Jewish creators really did portray Hope as an absolute horror of a Waspy shiksa Always so dissatisfied. Probably pretty accurate.

by Anonymousreply 19302/13/2020

I actually liked Susannah a lot because she was focused, driven, and soft under the prickly exterior. She held a mirror up to the others (especially Gary) that showed them how immature, irresponsible, annoying and selfish they were.

Melissa was my favorite. Ellyn was devious and dreadful, someone I'd never want to know.

Nancy's self-actualization arc was satisfying, until the cancer arc (which was amazing). Hope = fucking boring. Their divorce was imminent.

by Anonymousreply 19402/14/2020

The hot Chris Wood has signed on to play Michael and Hope's son.

by Anonymousreply 19502/14/2020

R187- He was kind of a YUPPIE DICK on the show.

by Anonymousreply 19602/14/2020

Ethan has just been cast.

[quote] Patrick Fugit (Outcast) is set as a lead opposite Odette Annable and Chris Wood in the ABC pilot thirtysomething(else), a sequel to Marshall Herskovitz and Ed Zwick’s beloved 1987-91 drama series, playing grown-up Ethan Weston.

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SEE ALL Written by Herskovitz and Zwick and to be directed by Zwick, thirtysomething(else) will follow an ensemble of new faces playing the grown-up children of the original cast, the new generation of thirtysomethings. They are being joined by returning original cast members Ken Olin (Michael Steadman), Mel Harris (Hope Murdoch), Timothy Busfield (Elliot Weston) and Patty Wettig (Nancy Weston), reprising their characters in supporting roles.

Fugit will play Ethan Weston, the son of Nancy (Wettig) and Elliot (Busfield). He’s a brilliant musician who refuses to compromise his artistic principles in order to succeed. He’s also a recovering drug addict with a lifelong history of depression, and has now had a baby with his current girlfriend, Kat. Ethan is not parent material–nor is Kat–and they often leave the baby with his parents when they go off to play gigs. But he is ferociously determined to stay sober, and takes offense when his mother accuses him of using again. Unfortunately, it’s not clear whether or not he’s telling the truth.

In the original series, Ethan was played by Luke Rossi. In the sequel, Annable and Wood play Hope and Michael’s offspring, Janey and Leo.

Herskovitz and Zwick executive produce for ABC Studios, part of Disney TV Studios, and MGM Television. Filming on the pilot is slated to begin in March in New Jersey.

Fugit, who burst onto the scene as the star of Cameron Crow’s Almost Famous, recently co-starred in Damien Chazelle’s First Man, headlined by Ryan Gosling, which premiered at both the Venice Film Festival and TIFF last year. He also starred in Robert Kirkman’s series Outcast, which aired on Cinemax for two seasons and had a heavily recurring role on USA Network’s Bourne offshoot series Treadstone. He is repped by Gersh and Gail Levin & Andrew Brown of Levin-Brown Management.

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Odette Annable will play Janey.

[quote] Janey is the older sister of Leo, played by Chris Wood — who, like Annable, is a veteran of The CW's Supergirl. The grown-up Janey is a passionate, driven person, possessed of what her boyfriend, Brad, calls a very big engine in a small car.

Well, Janey is definitely straight.

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You'd think she would have changed her name to Jane.

by Anonymousreply 19902/14/2020

Ethan will also be straight. sighs

[quote] Fugit will play Ethan Weston, the son of Nancy (Wettig) and Elliot (Busfield). He’s a brilliant musician who refuses to compromise his artistic principles in order to succeed. He’s also a recovering drug addict with a lifelong history of depression, and has now had a baby with his current girlfriend, Kat. Ethan is not parent material–nor is Kat–and they often leave the baby with his parents when they go off to play gigs. But he is ferociously determined to stay sober, and takes offense when his mother accuses him of using again. Unfortunately, it’s not clear whether or not he’s telling the truth.

It looks like we'll have some token gay character who's friends with the main cast. I'm starting to worry. If this show is all straight I won't watch it. If they don't make Leo gay or at least bi, it's gonna be the cowards way out.

What other children we have? Emma and Brittany? I bet they'll go the safe route and make one of them lesbians and forget a gay character. Lesbians are always non threatening.

by Anonymousreply 20002/14/2020

R194 - I don't think Ellyn was devious at all. She was my fave. I found Melissa too self-deprecating.

by Anonymousreply 20102/14/2020

Someone posted a whole bunch of THIRTYSOMETHING episodes on youtube I've been watching them.

by Anonymousreply 20202/14/2020

I wonder if the new thirtysomething will have diverse casting. They really can't get away with all-white casts anymore without it being controversial.

by Anonymousreply 20302/14/2020

[quote] The straight, Jewish creators really did portray Hope as an absolute horror of a Waspy shiksa Always so dissatisfied. Probably pretty accurate.

That must have been their way of getting back at women who said or did bigoted things to them in the past.

by Anonymousreply 20402/14/2020

[Quote] He’s a brilliant musician who refuses to compromise his artistic principles in order to succeed. He’s also a recovering drug addict with a lifelong history of depression, and has now had a baby with his current girlfriend, Kat.

Wow, this sounds horrible and something I've already seen a thousand times. Ethan could also be Coyote on Grace and Frankie. A "brilliant" artist with flaws and substance abuse issues is really not very original.

I hate that the parents are only supporting. Why not focus on them instead of the kids like on Grace and Frankie. They're probably trying to copy This is us here with a strong focus on the parents-kids relationships and siblings.

by Anonymousreply 20502/15/2020

Neither Elliot nor Nancy showed musical talent so Ethan's seems to come out of left field.

by Anonymousreply 20602/15/2020

Ken Olin then and now

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Ken Olin would actually look great for his age with a decent haircut and without that nasty beard.

by Anonymousreply 20802/15/2020

The beard isn't his problem, it's the gut.

by Anonymousreply 20902/15/2020

Ken is an ardent Trump hater, so he’s ok in my book.

by Anonymousreply 21002/15/2020

"The beard isn't his problem, it's the gut."

Looks fine in that photo at r207.

by Anonymousreply 21102/15/2020

R203 there were lots of Jewish actors in the old show Jews ARE NOT white

by Anonymousreply 21202/15/2020

So Patty Wetting is back as Nancy? That's not very realistic, is it, that a woman would still be alive thirty years after an ovarian cancer diagnosis? It was ovarian, wasn't it? I mean, I know Nancy went into remission, but ... for thirty years?

by Anonymousreply 21302/15/2020

^Why not if she had a full hysterectomy?

by Anonymousreply 21402/15/2020

So, as I've predicted @ R200 they went the safe route of a lesbian. So Brittany is the lesbian character of the new Thirtysomething. Sighs. No gay character, why am I not surprised?

[quote] Thornton's Brittany is smart and passionate, with a quiet but wicked sense of humor. She's in training to become a therapist but could use some therapy herself, as she's been acting out in various transgressive ways despite her inclination to be a peacemaker. She's also involved in an on-and-off relationship with girlfriend Angelica — with whom she recently broke up but can't stop loving.

Well, at least she isn't trans or non binary.

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Wettig, not Wetting

by Anonymousreply 21602/27/2020

[quote]Sighs. No gay character, why am I not surprised?

Lesbians ARE gay.

by Anonymousreply 21702/27/2020

I know they need gay characters and drama, but all characters and character descriptions so far are boring, uninspired, unoriginal and seriously nothing we haven't seen a million times already. Depression, break-ups, struggling artist....lame. We will probably also get the typical money issues, substance abuse and they all had bad childhoods/conflicts with their parents.

Not sure what I'm expecting, but this doesn't sound risky, edgy or ground-breaking.

by Anonymousreply 21802/28/2020

[quote] Lesbians ARE gay.

I meant what I said. No gay character and going the safe non threatening lesbian route because making one of the male kids of the main cast gay is too risky. That would've been progressive. Maybe this show will be a dated mess after all

by Anonymousreply 21902/28/2020

*seventysomething

by Anonymousreply 22002/28/2020

[quote]I meant what I said. No gay character and going the safe non threatening lesbian route because making one of the male kids of the main cast gay is too risky

HARD *eyeroll*

by Anonymousreply 22102/28/2020

Be careful, r221, you may drop your mug.

by Anonymousreply 22202/28/2020

The difference is that Disney didn't own ABC when the original series aired.

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R219 - you give gay men a bad name. I'm assuming you're just an attention seeking, unloved douche. I'm a gay man and I love my lesbian sisters.

by Anonymousreply 22402/28/2020

That's not the point. Heterosexual male movie executives fetishize lesbianism while treating gay men condescendingly when they ever depict us at all. It's one of many reasons I can't watch [italic]F(r)iends[/italic] and don't respect anyone who does.

by Anonymousreply 22502/28/2020

I meant exactly what I said R224, which is that there isn't a gay (male homosexual) character in the series because they decided to pick a lesbian one instead. They could have picked both. Why make such a big deal out of this straightforward comment? Are you on your period? Never in that statement will you find anything putting down lesbians. You need some therapy and some better reading comprehension skills.

by Anonymousreply 22602/28/2020

I meant exactly what I said R224, which is that there isn't a gay (male homosexual) character in the series because they decided to pick a lesbian one instead. They could have picked both. Why make such a big deal out of this straightforward comment? Are you on your period? Never in that statement will you find anything putting down lesbians. You need some therapy and some better reading comprehension skills.

by Anonymousreply 22702/28/2020

[quote]there isn't a gay (male homosexual) character in the series because they decided to pick a lesbian one instead

Who gives a fuck? Not every show calls for a gay male character. Get a life.

by Anonymousreply 22802/29/2020

Why does every show need full spectrum diversity anyway? Seems like every show these days needs a gay, black/Asian/Latino, trans etc. character plus the obligatory interracial couple and black friend or neighbor. I'm all for diversity, but add these characters if it actually fits the storyline. Why not have another show like Looking and really focus on gay issues instead of just always making them the weird or funny gay sidekicks.

by Anonymousreply 22902/29/2020

[quote] Who gives a fuck? Not every show calls for a gay male character. Get a life

This is gay forum so we do care about this. So fuck you Frau.

by Anonymousreply 23003/01/2020

R228 Why are you on a gay forum?

by Anonymousreply 23103/01/2020

Shelved.

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by Anonymousreply 23206/29/2020

Fuck that's a bummer.

by Anonymousreply 23306/29/2020

The pilot was never shot, it was supposed to start on March 16th and everything was shut down by March 13th.

by Anonymousreply 23406/29/2020

That's a shame. Probably would have been shit, but still.

by Anonymousreply 23506/29/2020

[quote] Still, Thirtysomething(else) not going forward is a shocker given ABC’s passion for the project, whose pilot order was announced with fanfare by the network’s entertainment president Karey Burke — a huge thirtysomething fan — at TCA in January. While the order for the project, from the iconic original series’ creators Marshall Herskovitz and Ed Zwick, was for a pilot, at the time ABC allowed them to open a writers room.

Why can the show then? I hope Netflix Hulu or Amazon picks it up. It would be great to watch this show in a free environment where characters can swear and go through more mature stuff stupid conservative network TV never allows. It was great with all the restrictions, can you imagine with freedom?

by Anonymousreply 23606/29/2020

Of course ABC dumped 30something for something more "diverse", this is the climate we have now, even top notch talent will be replaced by quota to appease the horde of minority whiners.

by Anonymousreply 23706/29/2020

Klan at r237

by Anonymousreply 23806/29/2020

Of course. Anyone who points out the absurdities of Identity politics is either a Russian troll, a klan member or JK Rowling. You people are beyond stupid with your name calling.

by Anonymousreply 23906/29/2020

Oh please your a bigot and too much of a punk to admit it.

by Anonymousreply 24006/30/2020

R236 I can see it being on Amazon.

by Anonymousreply 24106/30/2020

R237 I don't think there is much top notch talent left in Hollywood. They're all just a bunch of talentless whores.

by Anonymousreply 24206/30/2020

It will get picked up somewhere, an 8-episode pity fuck of a pickup on Amazon or something.

The casting of the kids seems boring, though. And I could see why ABC didn't want to pay the salaries of six actors who are old enough to be retirees — not a good investment in a demographic no advertisers want.

by Anonymousreply 24306/30/2020

It was not at all realistic that Nancy survived her cancer, but R85 is right; I remember reading the press about it at the time.

ABC was deluged with letters from people saying that if Nancy died they would never watch the show again. And cancer survivors thought it would be a terrible message that cancer was not survivable.

Unfortunately with ovarian, in most cases it isn't.

by Anonymousreply 24406/30/2020

The original show sucked and was boring. Once was enough.

by Anonymousreply 24506/30/2020
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