The closest you've ever been to a real criminal

my next door apartment. once a meth fueled bank robber lived there (former friend) and another time two army deserters hid out there, and broke into other apartments (including mine) and stole.... fun times.

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[R2] Bloody brilliant!

The older sister of my best friend from school murdered her husband. He was thirty years older than her, and she eventually grew tired of caring for him and set their trailer on fire, knowing he couldn't get out. She totally got away with it, as far as I know...

a friend of mine lived across the hall from an... odd gentleman. not very sociable, and prone to standing huge dildos in the front windowsill of his apartment, like old ladies do with vases. I was ordered not to speak to him.

one time I went over and the guy had pushed a wooden bookcase out into the hall, but it had jagged gashes in the back paneling. apparently the cops picked him up when his roommate called; he had loud and violent fantasies of stabbing women at the girls’ school across the street. his mattress and the bookcase were “practice.”

A cousin of mine is a convicted child molester. He raped a 14-year-old girl.

But was it rape rape?

I lived in the apartment below this guy (Dean Sturgis) about 15 years before this incident. We were cordial. He was gay, also.

Once we were chatting outside and he said he wanted to show me something (or something, can't remember). But I went just inside his apt. (which was sparesly furnished and had Buddhist stuff around).

After a few moments he pulled his cock out of his sweatpants and asked me what I thought. I was shocked and just kinda said my goodbyes and left.

Things were strained between us after that, but my lease was ending soon anyway. I moved away.

When I was about 16 in the 1970s I walked into what from the outside was supposed to be an ice cream store in Bensonhurst Brooklyn. Inside it was very dark and there was what looked like the kind of ice cream freezers they have in a place like Baskin Robbins only there was only one tub of very old looking ice cream in it. Then I looked around and saw maybe about a dozen men, maybe between 40 and 70 years old in black suits sitting around a table. They all were staring at me. I realized I was in one of those places where mobsters hang out, really just like The Godfather.

One of them got up, walked over to me and asked, in a very gruff way, "What do you want?" I mumbled and stuttered "ice cream." He said, "Our freezer is out. We have no ice cream to sell." "I said "Okay, thanks" and walked out. I heard some of them laughing as I left. I can see why, here I was this skinny, Jewish kid and I'll bet I was shaking by the time I got out the door. That was the last time I ever went into a place I wasn't familiar with.

I saw Sante Kimes on 60 Minutes!

OP if that's your former friend in that story you mentioned, she looks like a junkie!

What pic R10? When she was staying with me she started using again. I could tell. A more recent pic shows she's gained a ton of weight. She was picked up in April 2019.

In the 80s, I lived with a guy who stole electronics and split the insurance. I was a college student. He was a grifter. He stole my roommate's stash of pot ($600). Et. al.

I fucked a guy on two occasions in the early 90’s who was soon thereafter arrested and tried for murder. He was acquitted of criminal murder but was held liable for the murder in a civil wrongful death trial. The last time I saw the guy he was sitting alone in a diner looking very glum as I walked by on the sidewalk. I found out why he looked so grim a few days later when I saw a headline about his arrest.

OP,

Assume you are aware there’s quite a bit on a site called Delayed Justice? And a documentary? If not, I’ll post more as I found some things in Texas, too.

And apparently the mom married a doctor in Pakistan via an Internet-arranged marriage?!!!

Years ago I hooked up on DL with a hot Marine who had just separated from the corps. He was married, but his wife traveled for work. He wanted to be fucked, but nothing else. A few months later he asked me back. There was a new, giant (in those days) 80" projection screen TV in the living room. By his bed was a new, high-end laptop. He told me his wife had died unexpectedly, and he was living on the inheritance and insurance money. Again, I fucked him and left. Couple of weeks went by and he invited me over. Half-packed boxes everywhere, and he was nervous as hell. I fucked him quickly, and left. A few days later I read of a former Marine who was arrested for murdering his wife for the insurance money. The article specifically mentioned how the man had bought a new big-screen television and a computer. The article never gave a name (and, well, neither did he come to think of it...) but it mentioned the neighborhood he lived in. Bingo. Never heard any more about it. Don't know if I fucked a murderer or not.

Ex-boyfriend of mine turned out to be a child molester.

My nephew murdered his wife.

i was robbed at gunpoint by a man who turned out to be dating my boss' daughter. he was pretending to cruise for dick, and instead pulled the gun. i reported him to the cops, and had to testify at his trial.

R14, yeah, I saw that website and DD herself told me her mother had married some Muslim guy. A chat with her ex-wife a few days ago revealed that the mom felt heat was coming and used the Pakistani doctor to flee the US. I met her ex-wife while she was staying at my house. She's actually a decent, nice woman. DD stole stuff from her and still used her when she needed help even after marrying her thug husband.

Brother-in-law. Mafia.

Post a link to a news story about her, OP.

We’ll wait.

Thanks, OP. Was the wife the one who was with her in the car accident in Texas?

Now I’m sucked into this..... Off to watch the doc while I take down Christmas. Any rumors on their motive?

That is scary, OP. Glad she didn’t take a hammer to you for kicking her out.

I was once in Trump Tower in NYC.

R21 there is a link posted.

R22, her mother was long gone by the time she had that wreck and she was long gone from my realm too. No clue as to what a motive was. DD herself called her mom a psycho bitch. Maybe she just got tired of him. My question is where was his family? Why did no one wonder where he'd gone too.

I did hear that her daughters with the victim may have been the ones who called police years later. Something triggered a memory and they were in the car the night they burned the body. Very young though.

Sorry, her wife was long gone too.

My father lol. He went to jail for extortion.

I can't believe how fat DD go or is just the prison scrubs? Holy shit. She was always very slim and had lots of men attracted to her. Her ass looks huge.

I worked with Suge Knight as a consultant for Death Row Records in the early '00s

The kid I got my Eagle Scout badge with has been doing life since he was 17. He killed a guy in an armed robbery, and then I've heard he killed another guy in prison. It wasn't drugs or anything, he was just a little crazy when I knew him, and it got worse.

A family friend committed a murder/suicide. He was a successful actor—Albert Salmi.

Former FWB turned out to be a child molester (given that he was my FWB when I was 17-22, and he was over 50, that shouldn't shock me, but he raped a 12 year old, and that shocked me).

Cousin is a registered sex offender after being ensnared in an attempted extortion (he fucked a 14 year old girl who told him she was 20, and then attempted to extort him; when he refused to pay, she and her mother pressed charges).

Ex-girlfriend was in jail after she covered for her boyfriend beating their children (he killed one of them eventually, netting them both jail time).

The murderer is coming from inside the house!

A murderer once left me a delightfully verbose missive in quite beautiful penmanship, OP, but I surprisingly never heard from them again!

"A foreign faction": so mysterious!

A guy I went to school with killed his brother. He was a couple grades behind me in school

A friend did hard time for manslaughter. A man gay bashed her in the 1960s. When he attacked her, he did not reckon on her carrying a switchblade. But she was.

He slugged her hard in the face. Drew blood. Called her a dyke. She should have walked away. But when you're carrying a switchblade, you don't absolutely have to. The old girl is kinda my hero.

A guy who was in my high school gym class wound up killing his own Mom. I read about it in the newspaper.

[quote] My nephew murdered his wife

What was the wife like? What do his parents think about it? Do they believe he did it?

[quote]i was robbed at gunpoint by a man who turned out to be dating my boss' daughter. he was pretending to cruise for dick, and instead pulled the gun. i reported him to the cops, and had to testify at his trial.

I need more details on this one.

Actually, I need EVERY detail on this one.

Everyone I’ve ever known has committed crimes. Maybe OP should narrow it down to felonies, at least.

I’ve been friends with 3 drug dealers; been friends with thieves and no longer because of it.

A friend of my aunt was a serial killer. I was a child and only met her a few times - mainly because my mother HATED her.

That’s why he said “real” criminal, r40.

^ for r39

OP, are you sure your roommate wasn’t Nicole Kidman?

Did you get to meet Tom? And most importantly, hung? Cut or uncut?

Nicole hasn’t the answers to these questions, but you might, OP...

Let us know when you make an appearance on ID TV.

No offers yet R44 but her ex-wife was asked to testify about any knowledge and she said hell no. She's scared.

An ex-lover admitted he was the major coke supplier on his college campus.

When I questioned the morality of what he had done he shrugged his shoulders and said the demand was there, If I didn't supply it someone else would have.

He was a police detective's son, black and went on to become a Wall Street trader.

My niece was involved in a murder. She went with her boyfriend to shake down this guy for drug money he owed them and the BF 'accidentally' and fatally shot the guy. She got zero time for testifying against the boyfriend. She was recently jailed for her involvement in a 'torture house'. She also got arrested for shooting a gun at her own son and my brother n law. I never liked her. I knew she'd turn out this way. I had to rescue all of my sister's family pets because she was cruel to them, I even caught her trying to drown the cat in the pool. It bugs me that my parents accept her calls and I hope that I don't end up on Dateline because of her doing something to them.

A guy I went to Catholic grammar school and an accomplice beat to death an old couple with hammers when he was about 18 or 19. He was a problem going way back....walked in on him smoking a cigarette in the boy's bathroom in 6th grade. I felt bad for his family, parents were very hard working Italian immigrants with their own business, often when I was passing the store his brother would be outside working. He was born damaged and one of those people that the world could have seriously done with out.

R48 here, I just found an article about the murders in the NYTs, he was 16.

When I lived in what is now a trendy neighborhood in a Rust Belt city, but was then....shall we say, transitional.

We briefly had a neighbor who was a prostitute. We often saw her johns because they would sit outside her apartment waiting for her to either get home or wake up. One was a hideous old fat dude who was naked in our hallway, wrapped in a blanket. A few weeks after he was at her place, he was apparently arrested for fucking with an underage teenage girl.

Same thing happened about a month later, but this time, the guy we all saw in the hallway - a dude who yelled "What the fuck you looking at?" when several of us went into our apartments - showed up on TV because he had, y'know, MURDERED someone up the street.

She was evicted the next day. Mostly because four of us went to the rental office and said either she goes immediately or we all leave our leases for cause.

Do my drug dealers count?

I was groped by Kevin Spacey

The Oscar voters. Thieves. All of them.

The guy who runs my local chip shop is a drug dealer. A proper one, drives a Bentley.

Here's a historical one:

My grandfather's commanding officer in WW1 (British Army) was court-martialed for sodomy because he was sexing men who were under his command

R5 R16 R34 R52 R55 You're surrounded by criminals LOL!

Well, okay, the Spacey one was a joke, but the rest were real

R55, your post made me tingle a little down there.

Well, OP.....my house is clean and I listened to all the pretrial hearing testimony in the background. Thanks for sparing me from Netflix, but damn.....

Your response @ R45: I was thinking about why CD instead of her cousin J testified? As the judge did decide to go to trial, seems others could be subpoenaed later?

And for whatever reason I listened to the direct of CM first, then all the others, and his cross last. We’ll see how things shake out, but he might have some problems with his plea....

I guess you knew DD after this? Don’t answer if you don’t want to....but to me that’s even freakier than knowing someone before something like this happened.

(Just to be clear: OP didn’t know - this just opened up seems 2018’ish and happened in 2001).

guy I hooked up with a few times in high school lost his mind and killed his two pets and set the bodies on fire. he was closeted and his parents were very strict and religious so I kind of liked that he was a little fucked up. I saw him on grindr a few years ago when I went back home for the holidays and he messaged me but he didn't remember/recognize me. his profile led me to believe he's very into drugs and pnp so I think he may have some kind of mental health issue

I had a huge, huge crush on one of my professors. He was in his 40s, a handsome enough guy, came off as a bit of a douche (think David Duchovny and you'll get the general idea), but something about him was just pure sex, the way he walked. I used to visit him during office hours and come out so horny....I am not generally that easily influenced but something about him did it for me.

Anyway, probably two years after I'd finished his class (and transferred to another school) he's on the news. He was arrested because the woman he was dating - herself a former student - claimed he had forced herself on him. I can't imagine him doing that, and I'm not sure how it happens when they were living together, but I didn't know her and have no idea who's right. He was fired, obviously.

I think more than a few of his students believe he was wronged. But he had his face blasted all over the news for a few weeks, and it still shows up in Google searches.

The son of a guy I worked with was on America's Most Wanted for 19 armed robberies. He was president of his high school class and his best buddy was VP. They were caught went the best friend jumped into a stolen getaway car and the gun in his pants discharged and shot him in the balls. They traced his DNA from the hospital to the stolen car and the story came out.

You should never have let her in your house OP, though I'm sure you're a nice person who meant well. I have known or worked with a few women who were chronically involved with abusive men and each one was either (1) a batshit psycho or (2) highly manipulative and/ or personality disordered herself.

Having been raised white trash, I have had several criminal encounters, mostly within my families.

- My brother and sister each have a son doing hard time. One is in again for robbery and the other for dealing meth.

- My uncle was a local, small-time drug dealer but managed to stay out of prison. My cousin, who dealt for him, not so much. Cousin did 2 years, violated parole a few times, then finally cleaned up and leads a rather sedate life now. He was always a gentle soul, as odd as that seems.

- My father rented a cabin to some bankrobber dude and his girlfriend. She told my dad that the guy was wanted and they turned him in, hiding some of the money in a light fixture and playing dumb as to where it was, then getting married (she was wife #4 for dear old dad). My father and I had a falling out because I predicted that no good would come of this, and sadly, I was proven right a few years later. Step-monster's son took my dad's gun during an argument and left him bleeding at the side of the freeway. Turns out that step-monster was trying to have my dad declared insane so she could get his houses.

- not to be outdone, my biological mom turned up last year, after 45 years of silence. My crafty sister, she of the robbing son in prison, gained mommy dearest's confidence and found out that she's been married 9x, and one of those marriages left her a widow under suspicious circumstances. Mommy was outraged that I didn't welcome her back with open arms because I suspected her of still being the same lowlife that she always was. My sister also got tired of her bullshit, but our brother with the neck tatts and meth dealing son thinks we're "being negative and need to forgive," so he cut us both out of his life in August.

I was high school in a very small town and was friends/acquaintances with a girl who was just off. ( spoiler off in this context means murderer). Not the type you want to make an enemy of. She dropped out bc of a teen pregnancy, way before that came with a TV deal. Sometime about two years after graduation she and another girl along with one or two men ( the baby daddies) wound up murdering a girl sleeping with their 'men'. Was totally premeditated by the two mamas, and I believe that there was also either a double rape (statutory at the least because the victim was a minor and the rapists in their later 20s). They had actually gotten away with it, only after a few years had passed that one of the foursome started 'bragging' about getting away with murder.

By the time this was playing out I was living another life myself. I was in school and my mother would relay everything she could find out about this case when I'd call home because she's a huge snapped fan along with other shows of its kind and she was oddly fascinated because she knew one of the 'characters ' in person.

Retired now, I worked for the Toronto Public Library for 30 years. Back in 2004 we found out that an American colleague, Gary Freeman, was wanted on attempted murder charges back in Chicago. His real name was Joseph Pannell. He'd disappeared from the U.S. in the early 1970's, while out on bail. He left the cop he shot bleeding in the street....this was in 1969. He jumped bail twice-finally ending up in Montreal at one of the McGill libraries and then in Toronto in 1990. His wife got him the job at the library in Toronto as she worked in H/R, knew his history and that all his ID's were fake . After the last time he jumped bail, a fellow cop promised the one Gary had shot that if he was ever in a position to go after the guy, he would. Anyway, he worked his way up the ranks and in early 2004 he was in a position to pick and choose 'cold cases'. He chose our Gary, aka Joseph, and once they tried doing a print search north of the border, they found their match. A SWAT team captured him outside the reference library when he was leaving work one night. He was in custody here for more than 3 years, having been found guilty at trial but fighting extradition. He was finally returned to Chicago in 2008, served a few months, then paid US$250,000 to a police 'benevolent' fund and was released. He spent the next 8 or 9 years fighting to get back into Canada. Playing the race card, they let him back in Canada about 2 years ago. Choosing as his alias, the surname "FREEMAN" tells you all you need to know about the massive chip on his shoulder.

Here's a link, it happened when I was still in HS. Very disturbing

The closest? Well, I guess having sex with one is pretty damn close.

I only found out later that he been in jail for 7 years in Germany. I still don't know what it was for but he wound up in jail again in Italy for molesting a woman. Anyway, I moved on to his brother.

I have an Albanian acquaintance/friend who murdered a guy in his home country and an Italian acquaintance who murdered a guy in France.

I won't even mention the drug dealers. Anyway, the funny thing is, I'm about as straight laced as can be.

I've told this story on DL before. I used to get my haircut at the Barber Shop (I think that's its real name) on Santa Monica past Fairfax across from the car wash. My favorite barber was a man who used to own the Blue Mouse on Melrose and actually had an article in Esquire about him called "The Gentleman Pusher". At any rate, he was an outstanding barber and I loved our talks. On one occasion, he turned the chair and I was face to face with the guy in the next station. It was like this guy was staring right through me and I immediately thought "this guy is going to try to kill me". I diverted my eyes as quickly as possible. Now, this barber shop was just outside of WeHo so there was a lot of cruising going on but this was not a cruising stare. Cut to a month later and I went to get another haircut (and trust me, I was frightened that the guy would be there again). Everyone was talking about Richard Ramirez who had been captured the day before. He was a regular at the barber shop and he was the one who gave me the stare of death. I don't know if I've ever been close to another real criminal but I can say once with Ramirez was enough.

I haven't known any murderers well (that I'm aware of). But I was violently raped by a boyfriend as his going-way present to me, so I guess that counts?

Holy shit r69!!!

R69

MAAAARY!

R70

MAAAARY!

I work for a criminal justice reform nonprofit organization. I’ve had colleagues who have done time for all kinds of crimes, from drug sales and possession to kidnapping to robbery to manslaughter and murder.

Sorry, gang, but zzzz. I've stood within inches of at least a dozen murderers, and have even shaken the hand of one of them.

[quote] He wanted to be fucked, but nothing else. A few months later he asked me back.... Again, I fucked him and left. Couple of weeks went by and he invited me over. Half-packed boxes everywhere, and he was nervous as hell. I fucked him quickly, and left.

R15, I like how reliable and efficient you are.

R73 do you believe these criminals can be rehabilitated?

R69, we had a DL poster a few years back whose sister saw Ramirez hiding out in her garage (remember how he killed all those people?) and immediately backed out and drove away.

The thinnest of rayon caftans away!

I was curious about a rather derannged co-worker, who had a unique name. When I Googled her name, it turned out she had given birth to a child, and stabbed it to death. I didn't feel afraid (I already did), but very sad.

One night, my (ex) boyfriend confided to me that, back when he was dealing, he stabbed and robbed other drug dealers. Stupidly, I continued to see him.

He eventually pulled a knife on me. Still,I took him back. Eventually it became a horrible, abusive relationship.

I'm so thankful I finally left him. I truly believe he has the potential to kill someone.

I've met, and chatted with, OJ Simpson, Harvey Weinstein, R. Kelly and Bill Cosby (not together). And, I'm not sure if he was a "real" criminal, but I met the smooth criminal himself, Michael Jackson. OJ and MJ were both extremely charming and nice. Cosby gave me his autograph (this was many years ago) and was pleasant enough. I'm a girl, so that probably helped.

[quote]And, I'm not sure if he was a "real" criminal,

Oh, but he was

Well, I lived in an apartment in Chicago that H. H. Holmes owned and ran. I always felt like he was watching me.

I had sex with Andrew Crispo a couple of times.

My aunt killed her second husband by stabbing him over 30 times and then poured boiling water over him. She said he was abusive and raped her repeatedly until one day she lost it. She got ten years for manslaughter. She got 1 day added to her sentence for nearly beating to death a lesbo in prison who rubbed her taint in front of a guard. The guard took my aunt’s side because the lesbo was a trouble maker.

My great grandfather raped at least one, and probably all four of his daughters. One ran away from home right after it happened and never returned. One became a hooker. One was confined to a mental institution and the last married but died young.

He also murdered his brother in a fight. The brother was buried on their farm, so he got away with it. He later murdered his father to get all his father’s money. He got away with that one too. He died in his eighties, unloved and unmourned.

HIGH SCHOOL:

1) Convicted Murderers ( about 8), 2) Former Drug Mule/FBI Informant (fucked him before the drugs) , 3) Quasi Serial Killer ( killed 2 people at separate times across 6 years)

CHURCH:

1) A lot of sexual predators, 2) an Embezzler, 3) 3 Frauds who stole a ton of grant money

FAMILY:

1) Cousin- Drug dealer , 2) 2nd Cousin who is Schizophrenic. Had a Psychotic break and killed 2 people.

Can’t give out too much info.

Absolutely a crazy bitch.

My own younger brother tried to murder me with an axe, after I intervened when he tried to attack our mother. He even shut off all the lights in our parents' basement so it was pitch-dark and I wouldn't see it coming. I found a light switch just in time to see the blade coming down over my head and in a split-second, I caught the handle in mid-air. He's a lifelong criminal who has been in prison for everything from armed robbery to domestic abuse, and even possession of child porn. I cut him out of my life years ago when I moved abroad, and he still tries to find ways to contact me because he knows I've made a lot of money and thinks he'll get his hands on it if I forgive him. If I were to hear that he'd died, it would be a day of celebration.

R89: is that you, Thom?

Actually, Thom’s brother succeeded in killing his mom.

R90 Ah, no. He's had it much worse.

R74, are you going to ever write a book about your experiences?

R87, you need to move away from these people. Move across the world. Jesus.

R89, I'm sorry about that. Families do the worst things to each other: assault, murder, molestation, theft, etc. Lots of it goes unreported. Worse than the perpetrators are the other family members who want you to sweep it under the carpet.

r76, I think you're asking the wrong question. Our current free market social policies and criminal justice system is an assembly line for career criminals.

I was a prosecutor, so I've met several; however, I worked on white-collar-crime cases. Some cases involved hundreds of millions of dollars, but no violence. Other than that, the only criminals I dealt with involved drugs. Plenty of assholes in my family, but they do not cross the line into violence or actual crime. We're a little too thick with lawyers for that.

R96, were all six generations American?

Yes, r97. Our claim to fame is my great uncle, who sued Huey Long and won, later serving on an appellate court.

A met, several times, the step-father of a family member. The family member (wife) divorced the guy about a year ago, He ex-step father moved to Ohio, moved in with a woman.

He shot her dead and killer himself

^^^ I'm thinking re: it, R93. But I'd have to do it right - none of that Mickey Spillane / boilerplate bullshit for me.

Thanks for your interest.

I was good friends with the wife of a con man. She divorced him after he scammed the neighbors out of thousands. He was arrested for running another scam that bilked local businesses. He relinquished his parental rights , skipped town after his arrest and was caught. Served time and when he was paroled he skipped town again. No one has heard from him in years but every time he ends up in a new town he takes some poor woman for all her money. I also went to HS with a cop who had an affair and the woman was murdered. He was arrested and spent 6 years in jail until the real killer confessed. They turned it into a dateline episode.

My first love who was ten years older than me was very connected to the son in this case, they were the same age, same school, grew up around the block. He hung out with him that Friday.

I am always shocked that this case hasn’t received more of a cult following. Patty and Frank were into some of the sickest shit imaginable, she was the Italian Tara Reid of slut-killers. A crazy vixen who would use sex to get what she wanted. Plus.....it was the crazy 70’s, the killers were more feral back then.

Brooke Baldwin was joshing him yesterday for something said about him in some magazine. I completely missed the joke but I know it made him smile and blush. He looked adorable.

My current gritty employer, who is withholding a year of my backwages and also paying me less than legal wage. Be a shame if someone reported that.

*grifty

I'm surrounded by them daily working at a "prison for the criminally insane." This massive state hospital houses those found not guilty by reason of insanity so a fair percentage there are in for homicide. I'm cordial to all of them, and it's odd indeed to chat with them normally throughout my day -- "good morning...hows breakfast...merry Christmas..." etc. knowing they've slaughtered their mom or their children or committed some other felony.

r106, how out of reality are they? It seems like the law narrowed the criteria for the insanity defense after Hinckley.

Very much out of reality usually. Slow road back to some mental stability, but not for many. About 1 out of 8 or so are in for killing and they [obviously] tend to stay much much longer.

But, regarding OP's question, yes, I'm surrounded by criminals all day, running groups for them, bullshitting with them in the hallway or while watching t.v., meeting privately often to lay out their [grim] future to them, and so forth.

It's a job...

Guy I use to work with had a side job as a trick and embezzled money. Got older and just resorted to stealing money. Ended up in prison.

Aunt stole money from the government. Got caught and is now serving time.

My neighbor got two speeding tickets last year!

I ate at Jean-Georges while the owner of the building was in there - eating whatever slop he normally does.

R106 needs to write a book too.

We have a judicial search in my state. It's amazing how many people I went to HS or used to work with that have committed a felony. Almost all have been embezzlement charges.

I met this woman a few months before she was arrested. She told me about her boyfriend's death and that the police suspected her. When I asked if she was there on the night and she said she wasn't... I believed her at the time. The trial date is still pending.

A female friend of mine briefly dated this guy and let him crash at her place. He was basically a grifter at the time, but had a samurai sword collection. We hung out at her place a few times with him, then he just suddenly left one day while she was at work. A year or so later we were down at Columbus Pride, and noticed him go go dancing at one of the bars. Then a couple years later, he ended up murdering one of the drag queens down there.

I cruised the terrorist Mohammad Atta when he was in flight school in Florida. The airport is adjacent to a cruisy beach boardwalk. Since the average age in that town is about 100, all the young pilots stood out. As I passed him I gave him a big smile and he gave me a look that said "die faggot". I actually felt guilty. I never want to make a straight guy uncomfortable, I was just excited to see a non-white person under 100. Plus, he was dressed impeccably, he really stood out in that town. It's sad, If only he'd let me suck his dick, perhaps he wouldn't have felt the need to kill thousands people. Because, I really am that good.

My neighbor raped and murdered two teen girls.

A woman I work with, smart, nice lady is married to an ex-con who killed a guy and was dealing drugs. He's been clean and works hard now, but when he was 19 he got in bad trouble. He's in his 50's and gives talks to youth groups at churches.

I dated a guy when I first moved to Indy who was arrested for shoplifting shoes and it turned out he also had previously been arrested for prostitution. He was a total loser. Oh, and he was HIV+ and lying about it. .

In 1990 I was part of a small gay and lesbian group that had a weekly radio show on a big radio station. One of the group founders was a lesbian about ten years older than me. All in all a great person, a kind of brass-balled, loud NYC type, but a great community worker and friendly as hell with a great sense of humor. She seemed to love life. I liked her! Years later (after I'd long left the show), I ran into her on the street with her partner, and we chatted a bit. I think she was a lawyer or something. Many years later (like 5 years ago) I googled her name on a whim and found out she'd recently been thrown in prison for embezzling many thousands of dollars from a brand new LGBT center which she ran and had seemed to help open. I was stunned. It was in all the papers, and was an huge scandal because her crime basically shut down the center, which had been sorely needed. I think she's still in prison.

Some years ago, I went to a reception in NYC. A very large affair, thrown by a large corporation. Several people in attendance. I met Ivanka Trump. She's extremely tall. And, it turns out, a real criminal.

My parents were great friends with Sonny Franzese. We spent many holidays with him and his family. If you weren't doing business with the mob, they were great friends to have

r116. A friend also knew of Mohammad Atta. John repaired his gas stove a few times.

Guy in my building years ago was involved in the "Cannibal Cop" escapade from 2012-2013. He was also a pedo.

When I met Jeffrey Dahmer he invited me over for dinner, but my Ma got in a car accident and I told him I couldn't....

R120, that's a very strange story. (I'm reading the article right now.)

I have worked at non-profits where the outgoing ED *was* paid consultation fees (as an "emeritus") to help the organization continue with a new ED until the new person was acclimated. It sounds like a personality conflict that took on a life of its own.

Knew this guy, who was very well known in the LA gay community

I slightly knew a guy in high school who eventually went to prison for helping to dispose of a body. The guy was pleasant enough but was constantly in trouble with the teachers and administration for doing utterly stupid stuff. And, as a matter of fact, I knew the girl in that case who was murdered, and she also attended the same school. She was legendary. Always in trouble, a bully, picking on other kids. You could almost predict what eventually happened to her.

Whoa--that guys had no legs, and he still managed to strangle a big guy.

Disappointed no one had acquaintance with the "Noodles and Beef" debacle participants.

Went to a wedding once where a member of the Chicago Mafia attended, he was later eliminated at his home. A tiny little guy in a very expensive suit.

[quote] A family friend committed a murder/suicide. He was a successful actor—Albert Salmi.

How bizarre. I had no idea who this actor was and decided on a whim to google his name. I just watched The Twilight Zone episode he was in last night where he is tried for murder and tries to escape justice.

R116, don't feel sad. A blow job means nothing compared to a belief in a mass murdering prophet and an islamic god that sanctifies hatred and murderous instincts. They want blood more than semen.

R116, I think his look was DIE KAFFIR more than DIE FAGGOT but given islamic ideology, both could be true! Others who encountered him have said the same thing, a death stare, all of them who told this were infidels, of course.

Drinks at the Top of the Hub with Christian Gerhartsreiter (and half a dozen other people, thankfully), aka Clark Rockefeller, called "the longest running con in FBI history."

Now doing time in California for murder.

My sister-in-law was sentenced to ten years in prison for selling drugs.

In jury duty. Five of my co-jurors had been arrested and convicted (or plead) for crimes.

I spent two days in enclosed areas with them. It was awful.

There are a few, but the first that comes to mind was my closet case mIddle school algebra teacher who taught me to hate math and, in 1976, murdered his wife. With parallels to the North Carolina case of James MacDonald, he strangled his wife with the rope from their kids' red wagon then went back to launch his search and discovery by light of morning. Blood evidence on the floor was from a menstruating dog, their marriage was perfect, no he wasn't gay...

I heard the story on the radio one morning and knew immediately that he did.

I used to cruise Andrew Crispo, art dealer and murderer, at a coffee shop in the West Village before he did it.

A mutual friend took me to meet Jim Williams (Midnight in the Garden of Good & Evil) at his house in Monterey Square in Savannah. My friend thought I would enjoy his stories and knew that Williams liked to flaunt his notoriety with the right audience.). The house was lovely, the contents dubious (some expensive and certainly showy things but few things of real quality given the splendid setting.) The host had his moments and was gracious, but he seemed tired and a bit of a shadow of his reputation. This was between trials (3rd and 4th, I think.)

I was in a cheese shop in Boston’s Italian North end. This was 1981 when the city was still mobbed-up. As I waited, a guy runs in and says:

“Vinny, they’re coming for me! Vinny, you gotta protect me, help me Vinny.”

He kept repeating this while Vinny tried to shush him. I immediately turned my back to them and studied the product on the wall, until my order was ready.

It could have been the mob, or the police.

Well, they caught the crazy woman's mother in Rome. Now maybe that poor man they murdered will see justice. Mama was the mastermind behind the whole thing. Apparently, if you check into an Italian hotel your name is run through a database. She's been running ever since she up and split from Houston.

R93 I cannot help who was or wasn't my teacher, family, or member of a church as an adolescent. If you think about it , going to public school in say Chicago, Detroit, or D.C. is bound to make someone experience much of the above.

The people in the church, most of them got away with their crimes (sexual abuse) with the exception of the 3 who committed fraud. However, living in a small town they made sure those individuals got off on technicalities. Like it was a silly case if you think about it. The DA was someone's god daughter, the prosecuting attorney someone's 2nd cousin, and the defense attorney was good friends with the prosecuting attorney. The evidence was airtight in that case, but when the prosecutor and defense magically lose evidence it doesn't matter.

That town was full of all sorts of unethical people. One girl got sexually assaulted in the church , and she got pressured to drop her criminal complaint. Again, small town politics. The embezzler made national news, but he was actually innocent. He was the fall guy. They had so much circumstantial evidence that pointed to him . Basically, all the actually guilty people had evidence that could show he was guilty ,and they were ignorant to the crimes. The DA didn't care who took the blame so long as someone did. It's funny the only legitimate millionaire who could actually pay restitution was the only one found guilty. The others took all sorts of plea deals, and literally all moved away following the trial. More than a dozen city/state workers all taking money, but only 1 was found guilty. Again, small town politics.

As for my family, the drug dealer I was not particularly close to. The schizophrenic one, I was somewhat as I visited my cousin (his mother) often. Without the schizophrenia I doubt he would have harmed anyone. The other cousin just liked defying his father (my uncle). Anything he could do to hurt his father's image (pastor/teacher) he would do. He hates that his sister is the favored child, but I'm like dude... did you ever think maybe, just maybe, her not being a criminal is why people like her more? What's funny is that he and my lover ( the FBI informant and drug mule) did time around the same time in the same facility.

I have not lived in my home town for well over 10 years , so I'm certainly far away from that lot :) .

Nearly every working day from Law School graduation. Starting with the petty stuff and working up to assault, armed robberies, murder, kidnapping , rape , and mob associates, Deeds and contracts were boring.

R84, Andrew Crispo was the first guy I let fuck me in the ass. I figured if I was going to do it, I might as well go big. He was enormous. And, at the time, extraordinarily handsome. His face was even more impressive than his gigunda cock.

Well, when I was younger, I worked in food service. You know how filthy that is.

Two supervisors and one coworker turned out to be molesters. Another boss got busted for prostitution in a manner that gave the local shock jocks material for a month. It was the early 90s. I think it would only get a mention or two now (offering it up with food via sticky notes in a cruising area). And of course, thieves, domestic abuse, and drug dealers, etc. A cousin or two in the same boat.

In keeping with sex crimes, my best friend from grade school got busted a few years ago for child porn and related creepiness. We hadn't kept in touch for years, but that one hurt. I'm still kinda haunted by that.

My second cousin is in jail for DUI, flipping a convertible and killing two young girls. The local newspaper published early, erred and didn’t actually name him as the driver. His response was to claim not guilty- as he was so drunk, he doesn’t “recall” driving, when I spoke to his mom she quoted the newspaper, trying to create doubt that it was him. Sickening.

All three brothers created lots of trouble for my family growing up.

About a week later someone came forward with surveillance video from their Ring doorbell that recorded the entire accident. He’s still claiming not guilty and the tape is fake news.

Most DLers were born criminals because of sodomy laws.

I live in a high rise condo building. Back in the mid 90s a lady (mid 30ish) bought a condo on my floor and moved in with her young daughter. She did not appear to work outside the home and considering the price of the condo I had to assume she had money. About 5 months after she moved in I came home one evening from the office and there were TV News vans parked outside the building. When I got up to my floor there were several cops congregated in the hallway outside her apartment along with a few of the news people with cameras. I called the concierge desk and asked what was going on and was told they had been instructed not to discuss it. I walked out into the hall an hour or so later and everyone was gone. I didn't find out until the next morning when I watched the news that the woman had been arrested by the FBI. Apparently she had befriended some young pregnant woman who as going to have to go back to jail for some sort of probation violation after she had the baby. She told the girl she would keep the baby for her while she was back in jail for a few months. Once she got the baby she immediately set out to sell it to the highest bidder. The FBI got wind of her plot and set up a sting with 2 agents to pose as a married couple to arrange to buy the baby for $50,000.00. They FBI agents showed up at her apartment with the money and as soon as the woman accepted the payment they arrested her. How the news people got wind of it is still beyond me to this day. She & her daughter never returned to the apartment. Movers came a few weeks later and moved all her belongings out. I never could find out what happened to her. It was very strange how quickly the whole thing was hushed up.

In the mid-80s, when I was in my pre-teens, my mom had Czech friends who owned a cabin in Glacier (small PNW town near border). They had a fishing business in Alaska, and were gone for most of the year. We lived only 90 minutes away and they let my mom use the cabin, which was part of a small community. When she wasn't working, she'd take me up for the weekend in the Summer. There was a small Czech community and we got to be friends with a lot of them (mostly Canadians). My mom is very outgoing, but she has a strong personality and has always been a bit of an outsider in the town we lived in. She is also Czech, and felt more at home around these people. One of them was this tall, fey single paediatrician. There were rumours about Jerry being a pedo, but nothing substantiated. And I have no idea how much this was discussed amongst the adults, but my mom was naive as well. She was impressed that he was a doctor, and didn't have many friends who were "professionals" (that's my own extrapolation; she wanted me to be a doctor).

During lunch at his place, I was with my mother and he invited me to spend the night with him without my mom. My mother left it up to me (!), and I declined. It felt weird. I think I was also concerned with hurting his feelings, and felt guilty for saying "no". My mother would continue visiting with him (and his brother, who would also travel down), but I don't remember going over there very many times.

Around a year later, on a warm day, my friends and I played in the community pool. The place was really busy with people lying out. My mom was back at the cabin. We tossed around a tennis ball in some sort of game. It got thrown out of the pool and ran after it. I noticed a shadow behind me of someone who was also chasing me, but not one of my friends. It felt strange. I didn't turn around. I grabbed the ball, ran to the other side of the pool, and jumped in. Upon surfacing, all of my friends are laughing. I looked, and Jerry was standing on the edge of the pool, shrugging off my friends, "Oh, you kids." He sported an erection (very obvious as he was wearing just yellow Speedos). No parent or adult said anything. Maybe someone did. I can't fathom something like that happening today going unaddressed. I felt shocked, mortified, and confused. After we changed, we walked down the street near his home. We hid in the bushes and some started plotting. One kid thought the best idea was to set a manure-filled paper bag at his back door, light it on fire, and then knock. After he went to the backdoor and stamped out the fire, the next step was to knock on the front door (logic: he would trudge shit through his house). I was quiet and nodding. After a bit, we marched over to my Mom where we were staying and told her what happened. I don't think she knew how to respond. I wanted her to say something--anything--in private (i.e. how do you feel, you know you didn't do anything wrong, etc). Anyway, this is what I recall, other than being silent the whole time. While it was such a "minor" event, I carried some shame, because I didn't know how to process what happened. I think it impacted my sexuality as well (to what degree, I'm not really sure).

My mom's friends eventually sold the cabin by the time I was in high school.

Flash-forward about a decade, and we find out he raped two Canadian boys over the course of four years in the mid-70s. He fled to Czechia at some point, and hasn't been caught.

I think about his victims every now and again, how they're doing, etc. I can't imagine what they went through.

The 7 guys who mugged me in four incidences, three of which happened in New York, one in the Midwest. The 80s was a dangerous time. Three muggings involved guns. In the mugging in the Midwest, I was fighting for my life with two guys. Yes, they were all black males.