Actors who thought they were unquestionably going to win the award

Like when Sylvester thought he'd win for Rocky, and they gave it to a dead man.

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You have to wonder if Glen ripped that gown from end to end when she got back to the hotel room. In the wake of loss it made her seem like a bunny boiler. Telegraphing desperation that extreme is never a good look — particularly in the wake of popular loss.

Lauren Bacall

Meryl, honestly, could you let it go? Do you have to srart threads like this? You won, what's your beef now?

Of all the posts that should be signed "M." Booo, OP. Boooo!

I love these. I want more!

Didn't Eddie Murphy storm out after losing for "Dreamgirls" ?

Murray Slaughter wins this thread, if not the Teddy

Jennifer Aniston when she decided she deserved an academy award for cake. RMAOTFLOL

RMAOTF?

Rolling my aunt on the floor?

Rolling My Ass On The Floor Laughing Out Loud

I missed Glenn's reaction shot. Do you have one OP/M?

Jennifer Anniston is my favorite story: She booked a suite at the Four Seasons to do press the day the Academy Awards were announced.

She was so sure she was going to get one for Cake.

LOL!

LA-LA-LAND!!!!!

Greatest awards show loser reactions.

R10's asshole itches.

The Bacall thing still hurts BTW. I know she was kinda cunty, but you don't humiliate someone like that. Plus it was all Harvey's doing. Binoche should give it back to her posthumously, honestly, that's the only decent thing to do

R15- IS THAT TRUE?????

Poor Lauren, there is 2-3 seconds after her initial shock where she quickly looks off into nothingness, and then comes back to consciousness...

its a very sad moment.

Now Glenn on the other hand truly looks like Alex Forrest!! She does this slow evil nod while her gold dress glistens making things even more ominous and striking.

Natalie was robbed. She was truly extraordinary in splendor in the grass. Nobody remembers Sophie Lauren 's performance in two women

Glad Glenn got rid of that unfortunate looking husband.

Hillary Clinton owns this thread.

"Binoche should give it back to her posthumously"

And how exactly would Binoche do that, R19? The fact is Bacall didn't deserve it, nor is it about feelings, AND they gave Bacall an honorary Oscar.

Bacall was a shit actress and a cunt. Fuck her right in the pussy.

I remember it, R21, as does anyone who remembers superior performances. You can't rob someone of an award when they can't act, and Wood couldn't.

And by the way, idiot R21, it's spelled LOREN.

The fact is, Eddie Murphy deserved that BSA Oscar. Way more than Jennifer Hudson.

You do realize, R28, they weren't competing against each other?

Eddie Murphy acts the same in all he does. Have you seen Dolemite? It's Dreamgirls.

Eddie Murphy is no actor.

R24, Binoche should book a suite at the four seasons, hold a press conference there, admit that she sucked Harvey 's dick for the award, cry, then declare that she officially gives it back to Lauren, hand it to Sam Robard, what's her name and Humphrey junior, and then kill herself. That's the only decent thing for her to do

Well, IMO Eddie Murphy did a better job than Alan Arkin.....who won for Little Miss Sunshine.

Exactly R31. He's no singer either.... but he did both and he was very believable as that character.

R19/R32, why don't you kill yourself and have yourself buried with that rotting corpse Bacall?

I love how Faith Hill and her people tried to say she was "joking". LMAO no she wasn't. That face is pure shocked OUTRAGE.

Ms. Davis. You should have seen her face! Hehe

So by R34's logic, an actor who can neither sing nor act should get an award. FYI: he didn't do both because he couldn't.

Eddie Murphy is the original Kenan.

I don't know if Kristin Scott-Thomas was certain she'd win Best Actress for The English Patient. It seemed so natural that she would win. I haven't seen a clip of the moment Frances McDormand was announced as the winner. I seem to recall an expression, not of anger, but of slight astonishment, on Scott-Thomas's face. I've always gotten the vibe from her that she realized at the end of the day it doesn't matter if you win an Oscar or not, your body of work is your testament to posterity.*

I tell you, if I was ever up for one of these things, I'd practice smiling and giving a standing ovation to the winner.

I mean, come on, you know you may not win it, give it up for the one who is the winner.

*did Scott-Thomas do something to piss off Hollywood? She doesn't seem like a screaming diva to me.

At 33'15, That cunt Olivia starts explaining why and how she should have won the academy award for best actress in a leading role in GWTW instead of Vivien Leigh because, quote, lots of people preferred Melanie over Scarlett, and how, quote, she was robbed and dumped in the supporting category, and then, voters weren't fooled because they knew she was in fact the lead, and how God doesn't exist because even then, Mamy won. FOR REAL PEOPLE. THAT'S HOW STUPID AND ENTITLED THIS OLD HAG IS

Kate "my mom won at my age" Hudson. Delicious.

R40, I’m assuming that it was a combination of a) her post English Patient Hollywood vehicles flopped and b) she preferred to stay in Europe with her family.

I heard G had to call her shrink that night.

R40, no one expected Kristin-Scott Thomas to win. McDormand was a cinch.

R43, I have worked with people who had worked with her in France. They said she was a raging ass hole

*Kristin Scott-Thomas

Well the fact is once you become one of the five nominees it's all about the politics, isn't it. All the horse-trading and back roo deals and quid pro quo-ing. It goes on during the nominating process too, of course. In fact sometimes you bargain for your client to get a nomination if you promise to deliver votes for someone else to win it all. it's a mess. And the Oscar campaigns go on long before a movie is released.

I’m pretty sure Rosalind Russell thought she was winning the year Loretta Young took home a surprise win for The Farmer’s Daughter.

Sigourney Weaver was not amused when Geena Davis won. She looked like she was going to cut a bitch.

Ellen Burstyn should have won for Requiem For A Dream. Instead, Julia Roberts won for Erin Brokovitch. I can't remember Burstyn's reaction, but she's pretty classy, so I'm sure she was gracious about it. But she was ROBBED, I tell ya!!!

R41 I'm shocked Olivia actually believed she was a lead actress in Gone With The Wind and she was crushed to be in supporting. Bitch extraordanire.

Olivia=cold-sliced cunt.

R41 Papa Tooney we have a looney! haha. So, they only voted for Hattie because they knew Olivia was not a supporting actress but a lead and a STAR. And GOD didn't exist because she didn't win. What in the fuck? She is crazy as cat shit. I always liked her in GWTW but I will never be able to watch that movie the same now. Thank you for posting. What a freak.

Old cunts like Livvie have their own "logic." I love her, but Bette Davis actually thought she deserved to win for her ham-bone performance in BABY JANE against the superior Bancroft in THE MIRACLE WORKER because Bancroft had played the part on stage and had it all worked out, thus it wasn't fresh.

R53 I feel the same way. She made a complete fool of herself and insulted both Vivien and Hattie. And who the fuck would vote for an actor because they liked the character better?

I thought she was the closest thing to my beloved grandmother I had ever seen, but I lost all respect for her after watching this. Joan was right all this time. Olivia IS bitch

I think that cockamamie video of Olivia shitting all over her co-stars needs its own thread! Get the word out!

And yet Livvie actually had the balls to sue the makers of FEUD for painting her as a nasty, backstabbing trash-talking cunt toward her co-stars, when that's exactly what she is!

R57 done.

R42 I can't stand Kate Hudson, BUT her performance in Almost Famous deserved the Oscar. She was robbed.

Olivia de H. Is an epic bitch

Wrong, R60. Dead wrong.

This!

Olivia broke my collarbone! A right twat she is!

R60, please see your way to the DataLounge exit. You have zero taste level.

Even when they showed the clips of the nominated performances that year, Marcia Gay Harden’s was the best.

Kate Hudson acted the whole awards season like she had it in the bag mainly based on some quaint notion that her mother won at the same age. And that was obviously not on anyone else’a mind that year except for hers.

Marcia Gay Harden was far superior and deserved every inch of that statue. Cunt Hudson, on the other hand, wormed her way into a movie career through sheer nepotism and in no way deserved even a nomination.

She’s done virtually nothing with the career it gave her, but Hudson is luminous in ‘Almost Famous.’

Her choices since that film are so perplexing. How the hell do you turn Spider-Man down in favor of a drab period piece no one was ever doing to see?

Honestly I don't even know why Kate Hudson is famous apart from beigh the old trout's daughter. I saw her in a horror film with gena Rowlands 20 years ago and that's All. She was rather generic . Why is she still a celebrity?

If Hudson wasn't Hawn's daughter, she never would have been nominated. She played a slutty groupie, which was totally typecasting.

Well R54, I think Davis should have won . baby Jane is one of the 3 bravest performances I have seen. The 2 other being Leigh in streetcar and Leigh in ship of fools

ARE YOU FORGETTING MY ROSE COLORED GLASSES .

Didn’t Bill Murray literally leave the ceremony when he lost to Sean Penn in 2003?

Shit, I lost to Martin Landau!

Shit, I lost to Martin Landau!

Ellen Burstyn looks like she's about to start cussing when she loses to Glenda Jackson. And Streisand had just come from the set of Funny Lady and was waiting backstage because she thought she would win. Barbra must have been standing near a hot mic because you can clearly hear her voice before the winner's name is announced.

I am disappointed and alarmed at how much I am enjoying these clips of celebrity reactions. They get fame, coverage, more scripts, and gifts and endless adoration for being nominated, and for some of them it's really just about getting an award.

Those shots of Faith Hill and Michael Keaton are fun and revealing. I like those two a little less now.

Did Jennifer Aniston really reserve a room so she could be prepared for a press conference immediately after the nominations were announced? That's both amusing and sorrowful.

R40 Frances McDormand Was a 100% lock for that award. All of the other actresses just showed up for fun.

Look at the ungracious reaction of Ellen Frankenstein and Martian Mason. Two shits who couldn't bear the thought of a better actress winning the award.

Ellen Burstyn says "No Kidding, What a Surprise!" Joanne Woodward looks at Paul Newman and says, "Glenda Jackson? What a pig cunt!" (I read lips, btw) Glenda Jackson was the dark horse that year. The front-runners were Streisand and Woodward. Another example of this is when Art Carney squeaked by over Jack Nicholson and Al Pacino, or Beatrice Strait winning for Network.

r48 All of that deal making for the trophy really came into effect when Harvey gained control in Hollywood. He always managed to get what he wanted as far as nominations and awards went. Looking back he probably used undue influence given what we know about him now.

The longer Harvey stays out of Hollywood the better for the industry. This year has been a good year for films that are not super hero oriented. Too bad we had to, as usual, wait until years end.

That clip of Charlton Heston and Susan Hayward is sad. Susan was suffering from the brain cancer she had from being exposed to the radiation from that awful movie she made with John Wayne twenty years previous. She was so sick and died shortly after.

Diana Ross was expected to win in 1973. Even Liza thought that. Diana looked regal, yet confident, as the names were called, expecting to become the first black woman to win the best actress award. She looked hurt as she put on her best poker face when Liza was instead called.

(Cicely Tyson gave a "oh shit, what?" look, probably also expecting Diana to win.)

If you look, when Gene says "And the winner is", Cicely turns to her party and says "Diana Ross".

Then when they announce Liza, Cicely appears to say "WHAT THE FUCK!????"

Its pretty funny.

the whole idea of awards is ridiculous; it's only someone's opinion.

R85= ghost of Lauren Bacall

Why was Woody Harrelson offended when Alex Rocco won?

Was it a mob related thing?

I would've hated to be around Babs when she failed to win a nomination as director for Yentl or Prince of Tides.

What exactly happened when Bacall wuz robbed?

Nothing, R89. Because she wasn’t “robbed” at all.

Who was the woman presenting with Gene Hackman? She had great knockers!

If I remember correctly from “Call Her Miss Ross,” Diana Ross was given a dog by Berry Gordy when Lady Sings The Blues came out, and she named it Oscar. She changed its name to Oscar Anyways after she lost.

^ The supremely talented Raquel Welch, obv. Check out her peevish "I hope they haven't got a cause" before ripping open the envelope.

LOL. That's Ali McGraw. Nice try R91. You type so young

R93, it was right after Marlon's refusal of the Oscar, which actually made it pretty funny.

R92, Monroe had a dog that was a present from Sinatra. He had bought it from Natalie Wood's mother. Marilyn called the dog ' Maf'. It made her laugh. I guess she didn't find it so funny when the mafia turned out in her bedroom with a serynge full of nembutal

I really didn't know!

Shame shame shame on me for finding such delight, such laughter, such glee in watching celebrities show shock, disbelief and anger at not getting even more recognition.

So much self entitlement.

Diana Ross was not favored to win for LSTB. Liza was the favorite that year, as was just about every category in which Cabaret had been nominated.

Faith Hill really was joking. No one who had been around as long as she had would have had that over-the-top reaction, especially given that by that time she had won plenty of awards. besides, she was not the favorite going in, and everyone (including her) knew it.

Real pained reactions to losing--Lauren Bacall for "The Mirror has Two Faces," Sigourney Weaver for "Working Girl"/"Gorillas in the Mist," Bill Murray for "Lost in Translation," Eddie Murphy for "Dreamgirls," and Sally Kirkland for "Anna"--are almost always much more subtle, and unless you really hate the person they're kind of painful to see. It's not fun seeing anyone get humiliated, and all those people were considered favorites to win one going in (except for Sally Kirkland, but she's been hugely delusional for decades).

I felt especially sorry for Weaver since she was up for both Best Supporting and Best Actress that year, and no one who had been up for both had not won at least one of them--she was the first, and her parents were there with her that night. She is a very fine actor who should have one by now--but so should Glenn and so should Murray.

[quote] This year has been a good year for films that are not super hero oriented.

Really, r81? Aside from a couple of films (Parasite, 1917), I think this year has sucked for movies.

OK R97. It's Raquel Wech. One year, as she was presenting the GG, some actor joked about her ' golden globes '. So Uber stupid Jeremy Renner thought he could duplicate the joke with J-low 50 years later, fell flat on his pig nose and was cancelled by America

There’s a book about Diana. In it I think her agent said the day of the awards, be prepared to lose to Liza. Diana asked why? Her agent said because they’ll make it up to Judy because they denied her twice. Diana won none of the serious precursors (except new female star of the year golden globe). Diana probably came in second, but in no way it was neck and neck with Liza. Cabaret did so well in the nominations, and beat Godfather in many categories. I just don’t believe Diana ever stood a chance, and everyone knew it.

Most actors are trained well enough to fake it, and are counseled going in to do so. I think the trick is just to force yourself to think "I will make the muscles of my face contract into a smile a mere split second after the first syllable is pronounced, no matter whose name it is." People forgive a rueful smile.

R100 LOL what a load of horseshit.

Faith, is that you at R100?

Some say that Berry Gordy campaigned too hard for Diana Ross, which turned off many of the Academy members who might've otherwise voted for her. The closest evidence I can find of that is in this snarky comment about it in this article.

[Quote]We can look back to 1973, when Diana Ross was nominated for playing Billie Holiday in Lady Sings the Blues. It's a performance as absurd as it sounds, but Ross's narrative was an enticing one. Like Aniston, she was an artist who wanted to be taken seriously. By most accounts, it worked. She drew near-unanimous critical praise—Roger Ebert famously proclaimed "this is acting" when he saw her—that, in retrospect, probably had more to do with the fact that she wasn't a total bore on screen. Her mentor Berry Gordy aggressively ran full page ads in local trades extolling her praises. She lost to Liza Minnelli for Cabaret.

[quote] In 1986, after being nominated for her role as Shug in The Color Purple, Margaret Avery sold her kitchen stove to put a trade ad in Variety that begged readers for an Oscar win. Adopting some sort of Southern affect that was actively at odds with the way her character spoke, she wrote, "[n]ow I is up for one of the nominations fo' Best Supporting Actress alongst with some fine, talented ladies that I is proud to be in the company of."

LOL!

From the article:

"I'm told I shouldn't feel bad for Jennifer Aniston, who launched a failed Oscar campaign for Cake, a movie now destined for the annals of film history. She sent Sprinkles cupcakes to awards voters"

HOLY FUCK!!!! What a LOSER!!!!! And the sad thing was, it actually was a decent performance. And I now totally believe that this sow rented a room at the hotel the day of the nominations. She thought she was a shoo-in. What a fucking loser.

Margaret Avery has steadily received work since "Color Purple" (and also before it), but not for any projects nearly as high profile.

It must be weird when you're pretty much a journeyman actor like Avery and Kirkland and then you get nominated and get a shot at being really famous after working so hard for it your whole life. I guess that's why they go a little crazy--that's basically the plot of 'For Your Consideration."

I don't believe Aniston would have sent cupcakes. Why didn't she campaign for The Good Girl in 2003? It was a departure and was well received. She didn't even get a GG nomination.

What is a sprinkle cupcake?

[quote] What is a sprinkle cupcake?

Overrated, overpriced dried out cupcakes.

Speaking of “For Your Consideration,” it pissed me off that year that they passed over Catherine O’Hara for a Best Supporting Actress nomination. I thought she was both hysterical and heartbreaking in that.

They apparently liked the Japanese girl rubbing her pussy in “Babel” more.

Bette Midler was heartbroken when she lost for The Rose.

Hudson is luminous in ‘Almost Famous.’

Oh my sides, R67!

R115 how could we forget sore loser Bette going after poor Sally?! She never got as pissed about losing to Jodie Foster in 1992.

Lindsay Lohan mentioned an Oscar for “Georgia Rule”. Hilarious.

I remember the Oscars from earlier this year.

I remember waking up early the following morning and being shocked Glenn lost in a way I never have been before by the Oscars.

Then I came to Datalounge and saw a photo of her dress -- oh, God.

I actually cringed a bit. She might've well have just worn a t-shirt saying 'Oscar Winner'.

I even posted on one thread that her loss "felt like a death".

And was immediately called (deservedly, I know) MARY!

R118 Lol. She was wasted for that entire performance.

That dress was a big mistake. I know Meryl took a chance and dressed as an Oscar too but if she'd lost it wouldn't have been as embarrassing as she already won 2.

Annette Benning two times to Hilary Swank. It was reported that after the second loss leaving the Oscars Benning looked like she was walking to her own funeral.

Denzel Washington always looks pissed off when he doesn't win.

Richard Burton for Equus looked shocked. I think he may have buried his face in his hands.

I thought it was a shame that Aniston wasn't nominated for Cake.l She was very good, certainly better than half the women who did make the cut. However, the real egregious slight was not nominating Adriana Barraza, who played her long suffering housekeeper, for Best Supporting Actress. Barraza was amazing and should have taken everything that year. Instead, we got Fatty Arquette winning an award for letting her tits droop.

I can't stand that sow ARQUETTE. The whole family needs to disappear in a black hole. What a bunch of freaks

[quote]Like when Sylvester thought he'd win for Rocky, and they gave it to a dead man

Nope in '76 "Rocky" was an underdog right up until the Best Director was an announced. No one thought it would win, let alone Stallone. The honor was truly being nominated for the ridiculously small budgetd picture that came out of nowhere.

Now 2016 was another matter. Stallone thought he would win because everyone said he would. He went as the favorite.

M often wears metallic colors, which suit her complexion.

G tends to darker shades mostly, nice, but sometimes a little glum and insufficiently regal.

I think Peter Finch should have been in the supporting category instead of lead. William Holden was the lead in Network. It was his story more than Howard Beale's, and Holden was fantastic. Finch should have won in supporting, because Robards won his first of two incredibly undeserved Oscars. And Beatrice Straight shouldn't have even been nominated. Instead, Marlene Warfield from the same film, playing the the black revolutionary who tries to get a network deal, should have been in her place.

After all the years of joking and losses I did get a little caught up. Finally us Dataloungers would have our own back on that always haughty M when we posted as G.

It was her turn, she deserved it. It just *felt* so right.

......Then she lost.

[quote]She’s done virtually nothing with the career it gave her, but Hudson is luminous in ‘Almost Famous.’

Marcia Gay Harden won for Best Actress in a Supporting Role because that's what she is. She is a character actress , not a leading lady and she stayed in her lane. She also has done Broadway and won a Tony Award for "God Of Carnage", TV nominated twice for Emmys, and more movies where she received another Oscar nomination. Kate Hudson thinks herself a leading lady and did stupid bad rom -coms that flopped and now sells spandex.

Marcia Gay Harden was slightly terrible in Pollock, using her accent the way Nicole Kidman used her fake nose in The Hours. She frequently goes over the top and did not deserve that Oscar. For my money, I would have given it to Hudson's co-star, Frances McDormand, for Almost Famous.

I loved Jennifer Connolly’s brief appearance in Pollock.

Isabelle Huppert owns this thread

Why, R132? She didn’t think she was going to win for Elle nor did she act like she did at the time.

Gosh. Actors are fucking obnoxious. I don't like any of them.

Remember Sally Kirkland in 1988, how convinced she was she was going to win before Cher was announced?

I think Sally felt her unabashed, shameless campaigning would do the trick. She had some traction winning the globe and the LA film critics awards. I was 21 at the time, and I don’t remember any serious talk about her winning. It was all about Cher, with Glenn the possible spoiler. Holly deserved it more than any of them, but she was still new to Hollywood and didn’t have the right narrative of winning. Sally has always been a bit delusional, and ironically is a friend of Cher.

I think Sally Kirkland is really quite good in Anna. It would not have been a bad win by any stretch.

R137 agreed. There have been worse Oscar winners.

I'm no Faith Hill fan, but that looks more like cheesy overacting than genuine rage.

I agree with R139

Judy Garland in A Star Is Born owns this thread, and I’m shocked nobody mentioned it after 140 replies. Shame on you Datalounge!

R141 who?

Who could forget this County Cuntry singer Faith Hill

Yeah I know it's not acting, I just love that Carrie Underwood song Before He Cheats and I don't even like country music

I think Faith Hill was just trying to be funny. (Even though she's kind of stealing someone else' s thunder just by doing that.)

Many nominees have mugged funny expressions when they have lost. It’s fun—don’t take it seriously.

They actually had a camera crew in Judy Garland's hospital room on Oscar night because everyone was sure that she was going to win for ASIB. When she didn't, Vincent Minnelli turned to the doctor and said, "It's okay, you can go ahead and pull the plug now."

9'02 when Hepburn called Bacall the night before the 1970 Tony's and said ' ' darling, when my name is called on the stage, could you please collect my award for me?' '. Bacall won, of course.

Lol I never knew that about Hepburn

It was a travesty that Beatrice Straight won over Piper Laurie in Carrie. She won because she was part of the Network wave that year, in the same way that Binoche won in the English Patient wave.

Everyone was telling Piper Laurie that she was going to win and she thought she had a really good chance, and she was very disappointed when she didn't. She talks about it starting at the 3:00 mark.

DL sure has changed. 148 replies and no one mentions former DL fave Raul Esparza's shocked expression when he didn't win the Tony for his overwrought performance in Company?

This was the subject of hundreds of posts at the time, and then revived when those mentally ill Tumblr fans of his invaded the board a few years back.

Judy should have won for ASIB. It was punishment from Hollywood for her bad behavior. They gave it to Grace Kelly for Country Girl, are you fucking kidding me?

[quote] Those shots of Faith Hill and Michael Keaton are fun and revealing. I like those two a little less now.

Faith Hill was so obviously joking. She was far from a shoo-in to win and she has loads of CMAs. I remember watching it realtime, I actually liked her more after she did that.

[quote] Those shots of Faith Hill and Michael Keaton are fun and revealing. I like those two a little less now.

Faith Hill was so obviously joking. She was far from a shoo-in to win and she has loads of CMAs. I remember watching it realtime, I actually liked her more after she did that.

JUDY SHOULD HAVE WON FOR NOUGHT. SHE WAS A SHITTY ACTRESS WITH A FUCKING GRATING VOICE AND UGLY AF. EVEN AT THE TIME SHE WAS TACKY AND SEXLESS. ENOUGH WITH THAT TIRED HAG AND HER STUPID DAUGHTERS. ENOUGH, ELDERGAYS!

Gosh that Raul really is terrible, just heard him murder "Being Alive" on YouTube.

It's laughable that ugly Liza has an Oscar and her vastly superior mother doesn't.

I think Liza turned to booze and dope out of guilt over that little fact.

He truly is, R155. Too much vibrato, the sign of a poor singer.

Everyone, please welcome the jackass who posts without reading the thread first, debuting here at R143.

[quote]Who could forget this County Cuntry singer Faith Hill

Not the posters of dozens of replies in this very thread, moron!

[quote] Judy Garland in A Star Is Born owns this thread, and I’m shocked nobody mentioned it after 140 replies. Shame on you Datalounge!

[quote] who?

Oh Rene Zellweger!

[quote] They actually had a camera crew in Judy Garland's hospital room on Oscar night because everyone was sure that she was going to win for ASIB. When she didn't, Vincent Minnelli turned to the doctor and said, "It's okay, you can go ahead and pull the plug now."

That's odd, since the baby's father was Sid Luft, to whom Judy was married at the time.

[quote] Didn’t Bill Murray literally leave the ceremony when he lost to Sean Penn in 2003?

Here's the clip of the 2004 Best Actor Academy Award presentation. Nominated: Penn, Murray, Jude Law, Johnny Depp, Ben Kingsley. Nicole Kidman presenting.

Bill Murray looks OK, not gracious like some others, but OK. Pretty star-studded category, IMO. In the audience shots, behind the nominees are Julia Roberts, Oprah, etc.

Lucci supposedly pounded the table on one her early Emmy losses. She was smart enough learn to play up gracious loser and play along with it and increase her visibility outside if soaps. (Not a criticism - she handled the situation shrewdly.

The opposite situation - Bergman did not think she was going to or deserved to win - although Diane Ladd seemed to think she should.

r155 = Adam Driver

I think that Will Smith left the theatre when he didn’t win for ALI. He and Jada didn’t stay for the rest of the ceremony. Not that he deserved to win...his performance was more of an impersonation of Muhammad Ali than anything else.

Boy, R130, are you full of shit.

"vastly superior mother doesn't."

R156 doesn't seem to understand Judy is dead dead dead, and was herself a drug addict and alcoholic.

"Bacall was a shit actress and a cunt. Fuck her right in the pussy."

Please say cunt; "pussy" wounds.

Faith Hill's publicist has made an appearance, because she clearly was not acting in that clip. She only claimed she was "joking" as damage control, kind of like when Tommy Wiseau claimed The Room was meant to be funny all along.

R168, of course she was joking. She was playing to the camera that was a few feet in front of her.

It’s always funny watching Denzel because he always seems genuinely pissed to lose.

R169 = Faith

The "Faith Hill wasn't acting" troll needs to give it a rest. We've all seen the clip. You're missing a few screws if you think that was a spontaneous and genuine expression of anger. She's not even a good actress! I didn't buy that painful mugging for any part of the 1.4 seconds we see of it! She made a bad joke with someone else's moment of glory. It's tacky but its not the meltdown you're claiming it is.

Oh, man, the Faith fans really came out tonight. She wasn't acting, which is why she was called out for it at the time

Who gives a fuck about Faith Hill?

Bitches losing Oscars.

Diana Ross was robbed. The Oscars truly are meaningless. Halle Berry became the first black actress to win in that shit movie, Monster's Ball. No one even cares about that role or film today. But she was a white man's bed wench so the academy ate it up.

Judy Garland was told she was a "lead pipe cinch" to win for "A Star Is Born." It was considered so certain that she'd win that tv cameras were set up in her hospital room (she'd just given birth to poor little Joey who, due to her drug use, was in a bad way with only one lung open) to capture the moment when Judy won and to allow her to give an acceptance speech. Judy was made up for her big moment and anticipation was great. The winner was announced and it was...Grace Kelly for "The Country Girl!" Immediately after the winner was announced the crew started abruptly pulling wires and shutting down cameras. It was truly a pathetic scene. But Judy was getting her comeuppance for all the years of not showing up for work due to her excesses. It was quite unfair. But that's Hollywood.

It must be mortifying and humiliating to pander to voters, to send cupcakes and DVDs to voters, to host dinner parties, to schedule press conferences only to not get nominated. What do these performers do after all the hard work leads to no recognition? How embarrassing for Jennifer.

Oh. Smell the hate of homelessness and darksome rage at R176.

So much invective over something she says is "meaningless." And the racism is astonishing.

We know who this poster is, don't we?

That story about Jennifer Aniston is hilarious. Say what you want about Michael Keaton, at least he had a shot at winning

r179, There's nothing homeless or desperate about me bitch. Who da fuck are you?

181 replies and y'all forgot Jackie Hoffman!

[quote] Faith Hill really was joking. No one who had been around as long as she had would have had that over-the-top reaction, especially given that by that time she had won plenty of awards. besides, she was not the favorite going in, and everyone (including her) knew it.

I think there was some genuine anger behind it, because you have to remember that was Carrie Underwood's first CMAs. She was just this American Idol winner who came on the scene and was immediately a star, without paying her dues. That rubbed more than a few others the wrong way. In fact the one way Underwood won over some of the old guard in Nashville has been her commitment to the Grand Ole Opry. Unlike other younger stars, she has committed herself, since joining, to making sure that she fulfills or exceeds her required commitment every year, she also pushes to include veterans more.

The 1973 Oscars were really tough. Liza, Diana and Cicely were ALL deserving and all three of those performances are still beloved today (though, sadly, both Lady Sings the Blues and Sounder are not available on Blu-Ray). I don't think anyone would begrudge Liza winning for Cabaret; she's terrific in it. And who knows if Diana had won for LSTB maybe her film career would have went in a different trajectory.

The 1988 Oscars were similar. I loved that Cher won for Moonstruck but I think all of the other nominees were worthy, too. Holly Hunter in Broadcast News, Glenn in Fatal Attraction and Sally was great in Anna and I think Ironweed is one of Meryl's best performances.

It looks like Sally Kirkland rolls her eyes when Cher wins in r182.

Didn't Bill Murray get mad and leave too?

[quote]Judy should have won for ASIB.

Judy was a ham in that movie and far too old for the role.

I agree, R187.

Sigourney Weaver thought she was going to win for supporting in Working Girl. And so did a lot of people. It would make sense because she was nominated in the Lead Actress category as well, and the other four times that had happened prior the actor/actress had lost the lead Oscar, but won the supporting (Fay Bainter, Teresa Wright, Barry Fitzgerald, and Jessica Lange). And her role was that perfect type of supporting role that wins.

Watch her face in the clip below. She's all smiling and looking humble as people applaud after her clip, and then as the winner is about to be announced she's breathing real hard and looking down,

"They're about to say my name..."

and then BOOM -Geena Davis! And her eyebrows dart up and her face is overcome with surprise and disappointment.

I love Sigourney, so it's sad to me.

As hammy and old as Judy was (according to some), she still deserved the award way more than the forgettable performance by Kelly.

A Star is Born has some of the most iconic Judy cinematic moments ever.

And since when do hammy performances NOT win Oscars?

sheesh

1954 was one of those years where there were really only three actresses in contention for winning - Grace Kelly, Judy Garland, and Dorothy Dandridge. Audrey had won the year before and Jane Wyman didn't stand a chance winning a second Oscar for Magnificent Obsession.

I'd pick Judy first, then the wonderful Dandridge, and Kelly for third. I've heard that people at the time joked that if every male in the Academy that had fucked Kelly voted for her she'd win by a landslide. After Kelly won, when Kay Thompson said, "I hear she's a nymphomaniac", Judy quipped "Only after you calm her down!" lol

Plus, the definitive Georgie Elgin in The Country Girl was given by our Faye.

R189, I'm not seeing all that you're seeing in Sigourney Weaver's face. I thought all the nominees kept pretty good poker faces. I still love "Working Girl" and thought both SW and Joan Cusack were great in it. Melanie Griffith as well.

Geena Davis seemed pretty confident, she didn't even look down during the "drumroll" period.

R192 You don't see her eyes dart up and looking disappointed?

okay

Also with 1954, timeline is everything, of course. Grace Kelly had 5 films released in 1954. This made her one of the most popular actresses at the time.

And TWO of them were Hitchcock classics - Rear Window and Dial M for Murder. I think she should've won for supporting for Rear Window which is one of my favorite performances of hers. Then there was The Country Girl where she played against her normal glamour, a film I've never heard of called Green Fire, and a famous title I haven't seen The Bridges of Toko-Ri that was a popular with audiences at the time.

So even if all the men she fucked didn't vote for her, if all the people she worked with did - still a landslide.

I still wish Judy had won though. I mean Grace soon became a real Princess married to an unmutilated dick (which is either yay or eewww on DL) - so ol' girl didn't need an Oscar.

Actually Sigourney said after her double loss that she made history (first actor/actrress nominated twice in the same year and losing both).

I don't know how confident Geena felt, in an interview she talked about how before the ceremony Siskel and Ebert called her the dark horse.

Maybe she didn't look nervous because she thought she didn't have a chance.

Plus Working Girl was a popular money maker - $106 million. No so much Accidental Tourist -36 million (though I loved it).

Wait, wait... I know I should Google it but Geena Davis has an OSCAR????

I remember the night Geena won it was a complete surprise and she looked stunning....

Richard Burton has been nominated many times and no win. If he lived longer he probably would have gotten a special Oscar. The last time he was up for the award the winner was announced as. Richard ..... Dreyfus I believe that was another surprise win. If my memory serves me right just for a second Burton thinks he won...

Another year Sean Connery was announcing the supporting actress and just says Catherine ( they had just done a movie together ) and you could tell Kathy Bates was pissed off. Long ago in the 30s I believe someone also announced the winner and said ‘ come and get it Frank ‘ and for some reason the wrong director thought he won.

[quote]'m no Faith Hill fan, but that looks more like cheesy overacting than genuine rage.

Agreed.

Geena Davis winning is the last nail in the Oscar coffin for me.

[quote]I think that Will Smith left the theatre when he didn’t win for ALI. He and Jada didn’t stay for the rest of the ceremony. Not that he deserved to win...his performance was more of an impersonation of Muhammad Ali than anything else.

Best Actor is usually the third last for the night , with best Director than Picture. Since his movie wasn't nominated for either, getting out and the car before the crowds can be forgiven.

Dearie, Geena SO deserved her win. SW is a very good actress but her role in Working Girl was one dimesonal.

And those who said Frances McDormand was a shoo-in the first year she won it was a very strong year for actresses Also nominated was Emily Watson for Breaking the Waves and Brenda BlEthan for Secrets and Lies (many thought she was over the top but I loved her )....

I remember the year Smith was nominated a rumor was he got in a fight with Ethan Hawke and that was the reason he left early....

[quote]Another year Sean Connery was announcing the supporting actress and just says Catherine ( they had just done a movie together ) and you could tell Kathy Bates was pissed off.

Bates looked more confused than pissed. Don’t blame her. Connery thought he was being cute but it was a dick move on his part since duh, there were two actresses competing named C/Katherine.

Also Connery and CZJ hasn’t “just” done a movie together. They’d made Entrapment four years prior. It and Zorro were CZJ’s breakout roles and it was rumored she fucked Connery while they were making it.

I was 18 when I filmed Zorro and barely 21 when I received the Oscar

Will and Jada left after his category because one of their kids was sick and they wanted to get back home.

It was Eddie Murphy who walked out after he lost because he was a sore loser.

Viola.

No one thought Viola was going to win.

Streep included, given her regal gold metallic outfit.

I wonder if G was inspired by that this year.

If you look closely at that slow-mo Faith Hill video, she can be seen muttering "Oh" right before she disappears from screen, as in "Oh, was the cam still on?!!"

Anyway, some people say that Julie Christie was seen looking for her speech in her purse right before she lost to Marion Cotillard.

I noticed Czte Blanchet was ecstatic that Marion won. Someone also said Christie was even though she was favored to win...

Is Czte the new Lens?

Trog was convinced he was a shoo-in for Best Supporting Actor in 1971, and when John Mills’ name was called for Ryan’s Daughter, he reportedly flung his feces so far out of his backstage kennel that it landed at Helen Hayes’ feet.

[quote]Will and Jada left after his category because one of their kids was sick and they wanted to get back home.

That's what they *said* but that isn't what happened. Will was pissed off when he lost. And Ethan Hawke taunted him about it and there was an altercation. They were asked to leave.

Rumor has it that Trog had demanded a submission for Best Actor, but Joan Crawford wouldn’t hear of it, concerned about Hollywood wags naming a troglodyte as her leading man.

Even though the fucking movie is named for him! It’s absolute worst case of Oscar category fraud, though it’s hard to see Trog winning over George C. Scott in Patton, yet stranger things have happened.

What exactly happened in 1959 when Susan Hayward beat out Helen Lawson? I heard she was furious, but I've never been sure of the whole story.

That was a ruff night for me, OP.

R81 Harvey Weinstein was very upfront about his Oscar strategy. It was just about getting academy voters to watch the movies. Academy voters are inundated with screenings where the stars attend and do question and answer sessions and Used to get hundreds of video tapes or DVDs of eligible movies. Harvey just worked to get people to watch them. Because if the average Academy voter only saw 15 or 20 movies and his were in that group, nominations would follow.

Plus, Harvey’s entire business was revolving around Buying up lots of low budget per Stege movies and then cashing in if he could get award nominations which became his marketing for the films. Although as far as I can see, his entire business was just coasting on the few hundred million dollars he would make off each Tarantino movie and then blowing it and verging on bankruptcy until the next one came along

R209 Viola won at SAG, So no one thought she was going to win is untrue.

She won Critic’s Choice too.

Meryl won the Critics Choice!

How the fuck was Judy too old for ASIB? She was only 32. Gaga was 32, Barbra was 34, and Janet Gaynor was 31 when they did the role.

[quote]How the fuck was Judy too old for ASIB? She was only 32. Gaga was 32, Barbra was 34, and Janet Gaynor was 31 when they did the role.

Because she looked 50.

From a speeding car.

R222 no Viola. Google is your friend.

ASIB would’ve been better with Judy playing the role of the old has been.

R226 That would have been inspired.

Jack Nicholson, Nicolas Cage, Daniel Day-Lewis, and Michael Caine were all talked up during Oscar season, and they all lost to Adrien Brody:

Alexis Smith deserved to win supporting actress in 1977 for The Little Girl Who Lives Down the Lane. Her performance was far better than Beatrice Straight's in Network. That was a true travesty.

I think that was Alexis's only film role, but she did go on to win a Tony for Company.

I think someone posted that Geena Davis was the longshot / dark horse nominee that year. I've seen an interview with Geena where she discussed how she and her then-husband heard on the news the morning of the Oscars and then again later in the limo that she wasn't expected to win. So they decided to go out for fast food and beers before the ceremony. Geena didn't think she'd be in front of the camera at all that night. It sounded like she expected Sigourney Weaver to win.

I don't know if Madeline Kahn thought she would win that year, so much as she felt she probably would've won had she not been subjected to the Tatum O'Neal category fraud (O'Neal was clearly the lead actress of the movie).

Check out Madeline's sarcastic "wow, what a surprise.." face when they announce Tatum's name:

[quote] Alexis Smith deserved to win supporting actress in 1977 for The Little Girl Who Lives Down the Lane. Her performance was far better than Beatrice Straight's in Network. That was a true travesty.

They were different years. TLGWLDTL was released in the US in August of 77.

[quote] I think that was Alexis's only film role, but she did go on to win a Tony for Company.

No, she won the Tony several years before the she made this film, and had been a film actress since the 40s, albeit more of a contract player than a full fledged movie star.

Did you want to go ahead and post about her four episode arc on the first season of Three's Company, also?

Rita Moreno also gave an interview last year or earlier this year around the Academy Awards, maybe it was on a morning talk show.

Rita, the producers of WEST SIDE STORY and the studios all expected Judy Garland to win, so the studio didn't pay for Rita's airline ticket or hotel room or something. I don't remember what movie Judy was nominated for, Rita didn't prepare a speech because Judy Garland was so heavily favored to win Best Supporting Actress because she'd never won and had been around so long.

So when Rita's name was called she and lots of other people were completely caught off guard and didn't have much of a speech. I think she said something like, "Thank you!"

Madeline was fine in Paper Moon, but I don't feel she was robbed. I also think she gave far better performances the year prior and the year after in What's Up, Doc? and Young Frankenstein (NOT Blazing Saddles, for which she WAS nominated), and I would have easily given her the award for both of those over Eileen Heckart and certainly Ingrid Fucking Bergman.

Not an acting category, but Spike Lee was so sure his civil rights documentary "4 Little Girls" would win that he dragged Rosa Parks to the ceremony in order to trot her out during his acceptance speech. Lee lost the Oscar to Holocaust documentary "The Long Way Home".

R233 Judy (up for Judgment At Nuremberg) didn’t even attend the Oscars that year. So that says she didn’t think much of her chances. Rita just might be modest. She did give a short acceptance speech. “I can’t believe it. I’ll leave you with that “.

[quote] I think that was Alexis's only film role, but she did go on to win a Tony for Company.

Gasp! You actually said that on DL?!?! For shame.

R215 Crawford had volunteered to accept the Oscar on behalf of any of the other nominees in Trog's category. Unlucky for her, John Mills was on hand.

Didn't the camera catch Angela Bassett scowling after she lost one of the many awards for her portrayal of Tina Turner??

Back when Dick Clark used to fuck up the Daytime Emmys on a yearly basis with a whole night of rushing people, cutting them off, and announcing the wrong winner...

I remember reading an interview Basset said almost on a daily basis someone comes up to her and says she should have won and that a film mostly forgotten Waiting to Exhale should have been nominated. I 100% disagree Holly Hunter deserved it for The Piano.

Bassett, Channing and Winger were pretty much stonefaced when Hunter was announced. Only Emma Thompson cracked a smile, telling the press before the ceremony she was expecting to lose both categories she was up for, the supporting and lead actress.

[quote]I remember reading an interview Basset said almost on a daily basis someone comes up to her and says she should have won and that a film mostly forgotten Waiting to Exhale should have been nominated. I 100% disagree Holly Hunter deserved it for The Piano.

Just like gays love Brokeback, Black women love "Waiting to Exhale" still today.

It's hard to believe any of them would think they could possibly win over Holly. She was pretty much the darling that season.

Holly didn't stand out for me. Completely overrated performance.

I remember at the time there was serious talk of maybe Bassett taking Hunter out. If anyone could in the category it was Angela. But alas it was only talk. In fact, the Piano did better than expected, with Anna Paquin winning over Winona Ryder and Rosie Perez for supporting actress.

Winona was nominated? What the fuck for? Lol

Age of Innocence.

What's Love Got to Do With It is still on cable 24/7 but no one cares about The Piano anymore

Also nominated for Little Women another year.

We are talking Best Actress not Best Film.

Age of Innocence was a fucking joke with that Grease 2 actress. Should not have received any nominations.

I thought Sigourney handled herself well. I gained more respect for her after her double loss. She was great in both Gorillas in the Mist and Working Girl. She should have won for Aliens, but that performance has stood the test of time and is iconic.

1988 was a tough year - so many great performances. I thought Geena was very good in The Accidental Tourist, but I think Frances McDormand was outstanding in Mississippi Burning and was a worthy winner. but then Joan Cusack and Sigourney were hilarious in Working Girl. And Michelle Pfeiffer was lovely in Dangerous Liaisons.

Best Actress was even tougher. My personal favourite was Melanie Griffith in Working Girl but Jodie was so powerful in The Accused.

Sigourney should have been nominated for The Ice Storm as well.

r229. Congratulations on getting just about every possible fact wrong--you may have set a new record for DL ignorance.

Yes, r254. It was disappointing she wasn't nominated because she had some momentum going into the nominations.

[quote] I remember at the time there was serious talk of maybe Bassett taking Hunter out.

Team Angela all the way!

I’m a fan of Sigourney but didn’t think her work in Gorillas In The Mist was anything special. She was better in Copycat and A Map Of The World, both the which failed to score her nominations.

Madeline Kahn or Candy Clark should have won the Oscar instead of Tatum O'Neal. Either one of them would have been so much more deserving of the award.

I thought Joan Allen should have been nominated for Best Actress in The Ice Storm (along w/ Sigourney as supporting) and then the year after as Best Supporting Actress for Pleasantville. Allen gave a string of performances in the 90s that were unparalleled.

Joan was very good in Room and she didn't steal scenes from her Oscar winning star like Meryl would have done...

Jacob Tremblay stole the whole fucking movie from Runny Brie Larson. He's the one who deserved an Oscar, not her.

Ryan O'Neal was pissed that Tatum won an Oscar.

Not an actor, but the moment that La-la land guy realized he hadn't actually won still makes me laugh. That was the best Oscar moment in years.

R46 Someone posted in a thread here that Scott Thomas was a bit unpleasant. I suppose it's not always the ones that you expect. I'd love to hear some stories about her.

There's something very cold about Kristen Scott Thomas. I think she's a very good actress but it wouldn't surprise me that she's a bitch.

[quote]r40 Did Scott-Thomas do something to piss off Hollywood? She doesn't seem like a screaming diva to me.

Eh ... she's just kind of mild onscreen.

The best thing I saw her do was ANGELS & INSECTS. It's not that she's amazing in it, it's just that it's a very unusual story.

R266 I was at a Special screening and post Q&A for a French film she did, and she couldn’t have been cuntier or haughtier answering everyone. This was about 8/9 years ago.

Sigourney should have won for that movie with Ben Kingsley 'Death and the Maiden'

Kristen Scott Thomas probably would have won that year if she nominated in Supporting even I loved it when Juliette got instead.

Kristin Scott-Thomas is a STAR and a leading lady and therefore could ONLY be nominated in the lead category

Kristin who?

By Kathy Bates' account Meryl was pissed when she lost for Adaptation to the young ingenue Catherine Zeta Jones.

She claims Meryl glided past after the announcement and told Bates she was off to the bar, where she banged her purse down and ordered a vodka.

Does anyone remember if Meryl was a frontrunner that year? She won the GG and some critics awards after 20 years of winning nothing.

As mentioned, Bates was also miffed at losing. "I looked in her eyes and saw how much she wanted to win"!

R273 Meryl probably would’ve pulled it off if it wasn’t for CZJ. CZJ won at SAG, so they were both front runners. But Chicago won best pic so CZJ had that extra support from Academy members and of course the actors branch.

Had I been nominated in the lead category where I belonged, I would have blown Leigh out of the competition

[quote] Age of Innocence was a fucking joke with that Grease 2 actress. Should not have received any nominations.

I know; what was Scorsese thinking casting Maureen Teefy?

Michelle was outstanding in AOI. Don't be silly

Meryl was blocked from winning the SAG because some flunkie submitted her as lead by mistake.

I admitted her as a lead. Because that's what she is. No matter what part she's playing.

Almost as stupid as giving an Oscar to that [italic]King Kong[/italic] actress.

Or that stupid negro actress

Or that flying limey.

Or every slut who won every year

Talia Shire looked pissed when Faye Dunaway won for Network. Marie-Christine Barrault & Liv Ullman looked somewhat pissed too. Only Sissy Spacek appear genuinely happy for Faye.

I litteraly covered that Talia woman with lettuce

There was some ill will over the CZJ's category fraud. Only sixteen years ago it was less common -- hard to believe.

By 2003 it was clear that Streep had to win another Oscar by attrition alone.

At least you didn't call her a "spoiled guinea brat."

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Lol, Faith Hill's reaction was real. At the time, many in that community did not view Carrie as a real country music artist but a reality show hack. Faith probably thought Carrie would lose and fade away, thus the disbelief. But she has earned her bona fides with her work in the Opry, etc. That is why she continues to have a prominent role in the industry, such as hosting awards ceremonies. While Faith and Tim are viewed as limousine liberals who only used country music as a career springboard. (Oh, and at this particular ceremony Faith was still well into her coke phase! Tim was always open about his drug issues but she is the one who really partakes.)

Faith's career cooled very sharply after that. Not because of that. But she stopped working really then for some reason...

I got my wings the moment Jason Bateman lost an Emmy to a black drag queen.

[quote]Did Jennifer Aniston really reserve a room so she could be prepared for a press conference immediately after the nominations were announced? That's both amusing and sorrowful.

I would have guessed that was standard for big stars with money to burn. Why not?

I don't know if it was 1972, but Liv Ullman tells a fascinating tale in one of her books. She says a British actress, obviously Maggie Smith, was so upset by her loss that she had to escorted from the theater. Smith is not in the thumbnail during the presentation in 1972. Neil Simon was so moved that he wrote California Suite for her based on that.

John Travolta for The Fanatic.

It's extraordinary that Sigourney Weaver hasn’t won an Oscar. I thought she handled her double loss well. When all the dust settles and in 25 years she will be recognised for her iconic performances and importance to cinema. The others will be more or less forgotten.

Agree on Weaver. Three nominations doesn’t feel like enough either.

R295, that's kinda ridiculous. In the end, really only a very, very few will be remembered in 25 years and Weaver won't be one of them. She's not even a household name today.

This is my favorite DL thread in months.

Also, who knew that DLers had strong feelings about Faith Hill?

R297 You're wrong. There may be more accomplished actresses than Weaver, with greater range or subtlety. But none is as powerful or has given such memorable performances. She is still a huge star, constantly in work. The roles she has played are iconic, she will be remembered long after others have faded.

Alas, R293, Smith did not attend the Oscar that year. Ullman or no Ullman, I call a bluff.

[quote] It's extraordinary that Sigourney Weaver hasn’t won an Oscar.

Same goes (and then some) for Peter O'Toole. Talk about being cheated.

R293, that doesn’t sound plausible. Maggie Smith has just won the Oscar three years earlier. Why would she be devastated losing just a couple years later for a performance that was not really even in the conversation for a win?

R300 someone posted here awhile back that Smith was there, just not seen on camera. Just seems weird Smith would be that upset that she lost. She seems to have a I don’t give a shit attitude when it comes to awards.

Funny Ian McKellan impression of Maggie Smith when he didn’t get the Oscar.

Damn R289 thanks for basically stealing most post at R183, without even acknowledging it.

R304 Maggie Smith is so funny.

I met Maggie Smith at the Ivy in London a couple years ago and told her that I loved her in California Suite. She was like, “THAT movie?!” And I was like, “Well, I mean, you did win an Oscar for it.” She laughed and agreed. She was having dinner with the woman who plays her daughter on Downton Abbey.

I would never believe Maggie would ever get upset over losing. Especially for THAT movie! If the story is true I'd love to know who it was LOL

I also think Meryl might have been pissed over losing Doubt to Winslet but she always does a great job of looking thrilled for the person.

By 2009 Streep hadn't won for 26 years, had bagged a SAG and other critics awards for playing the scary nun and the movie was based on Pulitzer winning material.

The other year she semi-joked about all the great speeches she's never been able to give; I'd love for someone to dish on her true feelings.

Heath Ledger was truly robbed for BB. As a young man of color, who is also gay I had never seen our stories represented on the big screen like that. He embodied every emotion: the longing, the guilt, the passion, the redemption. I hated being gay until I saw BB. I am a human being first, I happen to be gay second.

Well, I looked on IMDb and Wikipedia and neither provide information on who was the inspiration for the character played by Maggie Smith in California Suite. There might be in clue in the fact that the character onstage was named Diana Nichols but in the film was named Diana Barrie.

R308. I agree. I wonder if Liv was a presenter the previous year when Margaret Leighton was up for BSA for The Go-Between. Leighton was never predicted to win that year (I remember thinking it would either be Burstyn for Last Picture Show or Ann-Margret for Carnal Knowledge, though was pleased that Leachman won--I think her TV presence on the MTM Show helped), but she had won two Tony Awards (more than a decade earlier), do maybe she just assumed she would naturally win. I've seen people get a bit crazy about awards--in my professional association, I know people who don't seem satisfied yo win one of the big awards--they insist on accumulating as many as possible, like neurotic students at a speech and debate contest. It can get ugly. Of course, I am still nursing vicarious wounds over Glenn's loss last year (yes, not her greatest film or role, but she found more nuances and moments in it than any other actress could and, c'mon--Glenn Close doesn't have a single Oscar and Sandra Bullock does, not to mention Swank has two?)

See what I mean? When Bullock won and I expressed my disbelief in class the next day, one of my wry ear student said, "But don't you understand--she FROSTED her HAIR!!!"

Close is about the only person I've ever felt sorry for for not winning the award. She won have won in most other years, but Queen Anne in "The Favourite" was really the part of the decade for women--I don't think anyone had ever seen a British monarch portrayed like that before. That's not to say that Colman did not do full justice to the role, but many other fine actresses (including Glenn herself) could also have won with that part--it was so bizarre, and so big, and so memorable.

Melissa McCarthy should have won for Can You Ever Forgive Me? Her performance was better than Colman's, who was giving the exact same performance she gives in every role.

The Wife should have gone straight to the small screen were Close may have won an Emmy. Hallmark TV Film.

R313 And in the case of Close, there were do many times when she either should have won (Dangerous Liaisons, Albert Nobbs--IMO, not popular, I know, Garp, Fatal Attraction) or was a reasonable choice (The Wife); the only clear-cut nominations where was an also ran were The Big Chill and The Natura). ALl, M vs. G shtick aside, I don't think Streep is necessarily a better actress, but has simply had more opportunities--if she had not won Sophie's Taster's Choice (wasn't going to happen, but say Lange HAD won for Frances), I'm not convinced she would have dominated the roles for her generation she became (as well as Weinstein's one "class" client).

Well, Close is in good company. Deborah Kerr was also the also-ran. IN retrospect she should have won for From Here to Eternity (Audrey was lovely in Roman Holiday, but still), Heaven Knows, Mr. Allison (Joanne Woodward was more deserving for either Rachel, Rachel and Mrs. Bridge--less clearly do for Racel, Rachel and Summer Wishes, Winter Dreams). And don't get me started on O'Toole--should won for Lawrence, Lion, at the very least and was wonderful in Goodbye, Mr. Chips, whatever the flaws of the film; also super in The Rulinf Class and My Favorite Year--never saw Becket and I didn't care for Venus, though he was quite good). Burton should have won for Ginny Woof and maybe The Spy....

R284 Faye had won just about every other award that year, plus had just previously lost for Chinatown. She was pretty much a lock. Any other name would have been considered a surprise.

R292 I think we have to give Jennifer a little bit of a break here. Cake was released very late in the year. Very few academy members had seen it. There was a big mailing of dvds to Academy members to assure they could watch before voting. My friend, who was a member of the acting branch, received his dvd two days after he'd mailed his ballot. As did many others.... it was the studio that fucked up Jennifer Aniston's chances, (as well as Adriana Barraza's for supporting).

I know Cake isn't that good and Jennifer Aniston is OK in it but hardly worthy of a nomination but she certainly deserved a place on the nominated list that year over Felicity Jones for the truely dreadful The Theory of Everything.

Aniston’s a huge star I’m sure had she gotten the nom she could have booked a great suite at the Four Seasons (or Peninsula, whatever) at the last minute. Why be so unsavvy as to put the cart before the horse?

[quote]r320 Aniston’s a huge star

Is she? I see her mostly in commercials.

Does she make movies that are hits? I don't seek them out.

I now have the urge to watch California Suite but hate to pay for an older movie. I remember it being on tv as a kid but never watched it.

R322 Its worth it for the Michael Caine/Maggie Smith segment - its very good and is the only reason the film is even remembered today. Just fast forward through the other three. The Elaine May/Walter Matthau one is OK but the Alan Alda/Jane Fonda & Richard Pryor one's are totally boring and forgettable.

Dame Maggie shows her bobbies.

I like Faye in many roles, but the was in "Overact Your Tits Off" mode in "Network."

It was only a notch below "Mommie Dearest."

R323 ignore the poster who said to ff through California Suite. The Fonda Alda segment was good and fun. The Cosby Pryor is a bit frenzied and slapsticky but funny at times. I got a kick out of the whole movie.

California Suite sucks. And Maggie Smith's Oscar win is undeserved. It should have been Geraldine Page for Interiors (who was in the wrong category that year. She was definitely supporting.).

Meryl should have won over Maggie for The Deer Hunter. Maggie should have won for Gosford Park in 2002 over Jennifer Conneley who I explicitly won for her forgettable wife in A Beautiful Mind.

Maggie should also have been nominated for Lady in the Van.

The nominees:

Dyan Cannon in Heaven Can Wait

Penelope Milford in Coming Home

Maggie Smith in California Suite

Maureen Stapleton in Interiors

Meryl Streep in The Deer Hunter

I don't even remember who Penelope Milford is or what she played in Coming Home. The others are all very good; if not Smith, then I'd probably give it to Stapleton, that way we can take away her Oscar for Reds and give it to Joan Hackett in Only When I Laugh.

R329 Milford was a friend of the Fonda character in it.

I would have cut Milford. She was nothing in that movie. I think Veronica Cartwright was overlooked for Invasion of the Body Snatchers (as was Donald Sutherland, who was remarkable in that film).

[quote]r325 I like Faye in many roles, but the was in "Overact Your Tits Off" mode in "Network." It was only a notch below "Mommie Dearest."

Everyone yells and overacts at time in THAT film, but it's a satire. It's not entirely realistic. For the most part I think she's rather subtle in it - well, as subtle as one can be playing an egomaniac.

Network is more fun if you imagine that the Faye role is actually being played by Joan Crawford.

[quote]r149 Everyone was telling Piper Laurie that she was going to win and she thought she had a really good chance, and she was very disappointed when she didn't.

An interesting bit of trivia is the nightgown Margaret White wears in the climactic CARRIE scene is copied from one of the actress' own blouses she brought to California for filming. The costume department just used it as a pattern and basically made a longer version.

I think that's cool. The designer was like, "Well, it fits, and she has a connection to it..." The director D.W. Griffith used to have his actors choose their own wardrobe - he knew they had to feel right in it. It's kind of an interesting technique for bridging the relationship between performer and character. It's not the only way, but it's a valid way, especially for some method actors. It's different than just tossing them a dress and saying,[italic] "Okay, this is what your character looks like, and how they present themselves."

R327 Geraldine was a STAR and a leading actress therefore, she should have only ever been nominated in the leading actress category, no matter what part she was playing

Sit your withered cunt down, Livvie. Half my nominations were in the supporting category.

Penelope Milford played the hippy-dippy teacher in HEATHERS who wants everyone to get in touch with their feelings after Heather Chandler’s suicide.

R336, if you accept to be dumped in the supporting category, you are at risk to lose to a negro actress playing a maid or a slave, but suit yourself, fraud

Milford was actually very good in movie. She had a brother Kim who posed in Playgirl and died in 1988.

R339. I agree--in fact, I was pulling for Milford--she gave a Warner, more human performance than Fonda, whose character seemed to be defined mainly her mid-film perm (and her ability to simulate a first-time orgasm, thanks to paralyzed vet Vought's cunnilingual skills). I had friends who gushed about Stapleton (a great actress), though I think she served as a rather obvious and cliched contrast to Page's rigidity. Dyan Cannon was amusing, but pretty negligible (you could say that about her whole career), and Streep was already interesting to watch, but, in retrospect, Smith made a feast out of second-rate writing (Simon thought he was being Noel Coward--as if) and gave Kristine Nielsen a shtick that would become a career (and she dithers better than anyone since Josephine Hull and Marion Lorne, but can also surprise and shock when needed), and probably deserved it. I wonder what kind of career Milford might have had if she had won?

[quote]r337 Penelope Milford played the hippy-dippy teacher in HEATHERS who wants everyone to get in touch with their feelings after Heather Chandler’s suicide.

She also plays the hippy-dippy stepmom of Brooke Shieldes and James Spader in ENDLESS LOVE.

I thought "Coming Home" was a boring piece of shit. I didn't think anybody in that movie deserved an Oscar.

R342's review:

[bold]Not Comin' to [italic]Coming Home

r338, I LOVE YOU. CLASSIC DL. ROFL. TOO FUNNY.

I bet that cunt ScarJo thinks she is going to win. But then knowing those pedo loving Hollywood types she probably will.

The oscar's are nothing more than a popularity contest. Sometimes during the season and actor or an actress seems unbeatable, like if he or she loses it would be a great injustice but years after you watch the films and it's impossible to know why he or she was the clear front runner.

A lot of actress and actors own their oscar to Weinstein. I remember Jose Luis Garci who won an oscar for Volver a empezar saying that Weinstean acted like a member of the Mafia. Garci was nominated for best film in a foreign language again in 1999 for El abuelo, but that was the year of La vita e bella, and Weinstein boycotted everything they tried, and i'm not talking about anything to win, i'm talking about even the release of the film to theatres.

I suppose that explains why a bufoon like Roberto Benigni won that year, when the other four actors were bastly superior

^ Maybe it was the time in my life as timing is everything but I loved Roberto Benigni and the movie and was thrilled that he won. I agree with you about Weinstein of course.

I loved Benigni and he was a little obnoxious at the award shows but he deserved his win.

Rosalind Russell fully expected to win for the heavy family drama MOURNING BECOMES ELECTRA (1947) because she’d hired the same PR guy as the last two winners.

The film was too long and dull for voters to enjoy, though.

Good one, R349. I can't believe it took 249 posts for someone to mention it. I forget all about it myself.

Allegedly, Roz was wearing an even more ostentatious gown that Loretta's GWTWesque number and to straighten it for a brisk walk onstage to cameras she had to stand up a few seconds early to fix it, even earlier than she was standing just out of confidence.

Roz was shocked -- perhaps she shouldn't have been -- and angry too. But they apparently remained friends afterwards.

The look of inner turmoil - -

[QUOTE] Good one, [R349]. I can't believe it took 249 posts for someone to mention it. I forget all about it myself.

It didn’t. I mentioned it at R49.

[quote]r9 The protagonist is too stupid to live

This is true.

^^ ooops. Wrong thread. Sorry.

Morning Becomes Elongated

Faith Hill was probably being serious. That was right before she basically disappeared. Low key gossip is she’s bipolar and loses her shit when Tim’s not around to control her.

She had to know the camera was on her. She was joking. Tim and Faith are both Democrats. Not a good thing for country music. Faith dabbled in movie work she was in that horrible Stepford Wives remake. How is Tim’s career ?

This Faith Hill nonsense is insane. SHE WAS JOKING. Anyone with half a brain can see that.

What keeps ME up at night is Glenn Close looking like Alex Forrest in that gold gown, nodding her head slowly..ever so slowly.. as the winner is announced!!!

It haunts my dreams.

Her thoughts:

She +nods head+ slowly, ever so slowly.....

"THAT FUCKING BRITISH BUCKED TOOTH CUNT!!!!"

"I KNEW this WAS a possibility! I knew it!!!! But everyone kept telling me- Its YOURS!!!! Yes, the cunt from England is the CLOSEST! But Glennie, trust ME, its YOURS!!!! The academy loves you!!!!!!! "YES!!!!! THIS IS THE DRESS!!! GOLD!!! Your GOLD OSCAR DRESS!!!!!!" "How if I lose?? I will look like a FOOL!!!!" Its yours, GLENNIE!!!! ITS YOURS, HONEY!!!!!

"That goddamned BITCH!!!!! I will MORE than kill and boil your bunny, cunt!!! When I get back to the east coast, I will meet with my voodoo lady and stick you with pins in every organ in your body, you FUCKING CUNT!!! FUCK YOU!! FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!

What was shocking about that is nobody even consider she would win. People thought if anyone was going to steal G’s Oscar it would be Gaga. That came completely out of left feel.

Field

R359, For real, I always knew that The Favourite actress was the spoiler. ALWAYS. I knew Gaga was a ruse. She lost that traction VERY quickly if you remember. I KNEW Olivia was really loved. And I also knew that Glenn's film was REALLY not liked, and it may cost her the award.

I was not surprised at all. And neither was Glenn. THAT'S why Glenn NODDED like that. She was like "CUNT. I KNEW IT!!! I KNEW THIS PIG COULD WIN!!!" (And her film was really ENJOYED by the academy, while The Wife, was ENDURED by the academy.

Now sweet Renee is in a similar circumstance, HOWEVER, despite the film getting middling to solid reviews, the academy does not HATE Judy. You cannot help but at least LIKE Judy because of Renee's deft and sympathetic performance. Renee's only competition was Scarlett, but Marriage Story has already lost traction. The Wife was simply an insipid film that dragged Glenn down into a BUNNY HOLE!!!

I think Glenn did have one good scene in The Wife ( so grossed out by the early sex scene no one wants to see 70 years old having sex) and Olivia was good in every scene.

Thanks for the laugh r358. No way did Glenn think she was going to lose. The proof is the dress which makes her losing sad and not funny at all.

R359 untrue. Everyone picked Glenn, but Olivia won the comedy globe, BAFTA and various critics awards. It wasn’t a Marisa Tomei type win. So Olivia was the only I believe who could upset Glenn. Everyone know Gaga was going to win song so she was out of the best actress race.

Knew^

Motherfuckers. Glenn's nod was this:

"I FUCKING KNEW IT."

I FUCKING KNEW IT!!"

"Everyone hated my film and everyone enjoyed this British Cunts, and I lost!!"

"I TOLD THEM!! I TOLD THEM THIS WAS A POSSIBILITY!!!"

Goddamned cunting gold dress!! EAT ME!!!!!!!!!!!"

Looking back on it, Olivia's win has already aged badly. Now that we've seen her in other things, it's obvious she's not the talent everyone was yammering on about a year ago. She's a one trick pony and a rather tedious one at that. And super unpleasant to look at. She drove me nuts in Fleabag. And I never understood the praise for her performance in The Favourite. She was fine, but no revelation. And it was clearly a supporting role. Emma Stone was the lead in that film.

I like Olivia, and she’s on a roll with another globe last week and probably the Emmy in September. Playing a royal and someone with an illness or disability always gets you the leg up at the Oscars, and Olivia had it both ways. Obviously more members saw the Favourite then the Wife. Glenn might’ve lost by 10 votes who knows. It would’ve been ideal to have Olivia in supporting and win there. Regina King really didn’t do anything special in Beale Street. That way clearing the way for Close to win. Ugh oh well.

Glenn deserved the Oscar for The Wife.

Regina King's win was most baffling, especially considering every other cast member acted circles around her and deserved nominations. She was the only one who didn't. I would have given that film five acting nominations in the various categories and Regina would not have been among them.

Melissa McCarthy should have gotten the Oscar last year, not Olivia.

R369 it’s baffling King won many critics awards too. One of those strange inexplicable wins in Oscar history.

[quote]Looking back on it, Olivia's win has already aged badly. Now that we've seen her in other things, it's obvious she's not the talent everyone was yammering on about a year ago. She's a one trick pony and a rather tedious one at that.

No, she is not.

The first time I saw her was in Broadchurch. She is VERY different in The Favourite. And different, again, in The Crown. She is excellent in all three.

That you don't like her is irrelevant to everyone but you.

I almost admire Glenn's audacity in the OP's picture.

[quote] That you don't like her is irrelevant to everyone but you.

Don't cry, honey. It's okay for you to like the people you like. Dry those tears, princess.

I was a big Regina fan and thought she should win an Oscar for something but I agree she did nothing special in Beale. I didn’t like her at all in Watchman and stopped watching after two episodes.

I'm just curious, rather than being resentful or angry at the winner, why wouldn't the actor who thought they would win be angry at those who voted, or the academy? The academy or the voters choose the winner. They're the ones who make the decision.

R376 I’ve never seen an actor go after another actor that’s won over them in an awards scenario. At least in a serious way. Bette Midler has bitched about Sally Field a little I guess. That’s the closest I’m aware. Practically every actor will not say anything serious about a competing actor. They may hate their guts, but it’s private. And really immature and silly. Even a highly decorated actor, you’re going to lose more awards than you win.

R42 Aw, Kate deserved it. And her reaction was gracious, I remember watching.

R307 leapt at Maggie Smith at table as Dame Maggie was trying to dine and splurted like a geysering Shamu about "California Suite." Dame Maggie was tolerant but not encouraging as she attempted to swallow the forkful of salad she had just taken. R307 took this as "friendliness" and kept gabbing, no doubt loudly, looking right and left to ensure that others at "The Ivy" (Covent Garden, for those not in the know, although I hold 2/3 odds R307 actually stopped at "The Ivy Brasserie" in Soho and created the entire story of whole - greasy - cloth).

Dame Maggie also did not bother to introduce the intruder to the estimable Samantha Bond, who also was trying to eat. R307 dismisses this talented woman (from a fine theater family, with over 30 years at the RSC and harking from the Old Vic before that) by referring to her by her character's relationship to Smith's character in a silly television production.

But R307 is beyond mere social decency. R307 has what was wanted - an anecdote, connected to a braying claim that she KNOWS MAGGIE SMITH and AMUSED her with a reference to a MOVIE.

She "knows" Maggie Smith the way a tick knew the Queen of Sheba before it was dislodged and smashed under a eunuch's hard-toed slipper.

[quote]r377 I’ve never seen an actor go after another actor that’s won over them in an awards scenario. At least in a serious way.

Let me introduce you to Olivia de Havilland:

Adele winning best song at the Globes and Taylor Swift's stank face always gives me a laugh.

R376 the same reason a woman hates the other woman who “stole” her husband or boyfriend but not the husband or boyfriend himself .

Bette Midler thought she was gonna win the Best Actress Emmy for Gypsy. In an upset, Kirstie Alley won for David's Mother...... In retrospect, Midler's performance does not age well. Way over the top. Kirstie Alley deserved it. She was a terrific actress at one point.

Yes, Midler has constantly sniped at Sally Field over the years for “stealing” her Oscar.

The Rose is actually another one of her performances that hasn’t aged well, for the same reasons.

Field’s win was well-deserved.

R384 I don't think Midler has ever been serious about that. Field won just about every Award that year. Bette did win the GG for Musical/Comedy(!), but only because Field won Best Drama.... Field was a shoo-in with Midler the possible but not likely upset. Midler knew. She just likes milking for the attention.

Yes, nobody thought Midler would win. But Bette STILL feels she DESERVED to.

She made similar comments about Kathy Bates win for Misery. Saying if she’d done it — she was offered it first but turned it down — she too would’ve won an Oscar.

No, Bette, if you did Misery it would simply be a camp canon piece here on Dataloinge like VOTD or Minnie Dearest.

Mommie

I would’ve been devastated for Glenn had it not been for...

The Gold Dress.

Um, no. Just no. On every conceivable level, no.

It was a blowhard move and shady again towards Meryl, who basically wore the same dress less than a decade before.

The only one that can shade Meryl is Mama Lange and even M accepts and understands that harsh truth in reverence of our Creator.

Glenn who?

I think Regina's performance deserves a little more credit. I think three scenes were key to her winning.

The first is the scene in her home when her daughter reveals her pregnancy. King encourages her daughter to stand up for herself and be truthful with her father.

The second is the hotel room sequence when she is trying to figure out how to style her hair and what to wear.

The third is when she is trying to convince the rape victim to testify to exonerate her son-in-law. It's a very powerful scene and King is excellent in it - trying to be sympathetic to this woman but also trying to get her to do something that is obviously too painful for her.

Colman wasn’t as well known in US and G was on her sixth nom.

She seemed like the obvious choice. I can only assume that the lost was down to the films.

But so many near misses for G makes me wonder if AMPAS hates her.

"Actors who thought they were unquestionably going to win the award"

Helen Mirren for The Queen. And she did!

Special Mention:

Yes, Faye thought MD was going to be a Oscar #2. I think it should've been.

Fuck this 'Mama Lange' bullshit.

Don't make me hate her with your infantile DL bullshit

R349 Who the f is Kristine Nielsen and how did Maggie Smith's role in California Suite give her a shtick?

The above was meant for R340

Mama Lange is transcendent.

R390 well Close has never been the front runner in any Oscar race up until The Wife. Many people cite her Fatal Attraction nomination, but she won none of the precursors, unlike Cher who at least won the comedy globe and was everywhere that year. I was crushed for Glenn, but it’ll make it that much sweeter when she brings it home on the 8th nomination.

Yes, every time G has been nommed there was always someone else grabbing the attention that year -- like moi in 2011.

R379, Well, your post could not be more wrong, but I’m sure you already knew that. The Ivy (at Covent Garden) was doing a special night where all the servers were British celebrities and there were many there. Janie Dee, who we had seen the night before as Phyllis in the NT Follies, was supposed to be our server but she couldn’t make it that night so we had someone else with whom I was not familiar. I was with a high profile person myself so we had the best table in the restaurant, certainly better (and no where near) Maggie Smith and Samantha Bond’s table that was near the center.

I did not come up to Maggie Smith’s table “braying” at her like some deranged fan. We were both milling around the reception area post-dinner and I took the opportunity to steal a quick moment with her that I don’t think she minded at all as she was lovely. Samantha Bond was not with her when we had our exchange. And, excuse me, but I’m not familiar with that actress. I’m not sure many Americans are.

And “Shamu”? You’re likely just projecting there.

You really are a cunt. And wrong on every single account.

R395 Hand in your gay card. Kristine Nielsen is an off-Broadway fave, one of Durang's muses. While they were at Yale, she apparently used to do the Maggie Smith monologue from California Suite at parties. Durang included it in Vanya and Sonya..., for which Nielsen was nominated for a Tony. She is also a favorite of Taylor Mac's, and stole Gary away from Nathan Lane.

I would say Glenn was the front runner for Dangerous Liaisons. They weren't going to give it to Melanie Griffith, Meryl wasn't getting a third Oscar so soon, and everyone figured Sigourney was getting supporting. That leaves Jodie Foster, who was most definitely a surprise winner. Glenn had absolute front runner status that year- her performance was glorious, she was coming off of four other nominations that went unrewarded in the decade, most recently the previous year where a lot of people thought she should have won.

That's right, R402.

Julia Roberts, best Actress for" Harriet Tubman"

Melanie Griffith was the frontrunner after winning the Globe (and not in a three way tie, as Drama had). Then she acted a bit of an asshole during campaigning (mostly about how in love she was with ex-husband Don Johnson) and people went looking for another candidate. At that point, Sigourney might have had a shot at going ahead, but people were mostly contemplating she'd win Supporting (as every other double nominee ever had before that Oscars). That led to Foster pulling ahead. We didn't have an Internet then, but people thought Foster was winning going into the show (and talk was also about the potential Geena Davis upset in Supporting, despite the category fraud).

R405 there was absolutely no talk of Geena pulling it off in 1989. Everything was Sigourney because of her dual noms. R402 and Close wasn’t the front runner. Again. No precursors. The multiple nominations like Glenn’s might help you some, but without any precursors it’s hard to get some traction going. Geraldine Page pulled it off without any precursor wins, but she had nominations through three decades too and was nomination number 8. Foster and Griffith were ahead of Close.

Was on nomination number 8^

I was 12 in 1989 so I didn't follow this stuff. Its fun to read about who was the frontrunner, etc-

It sounds to me like Sigourney got FUCKED.

I am shocked that Melanie was EVER the frontrunner!! Interesting... (Love Working Girl)

I can see how Jody could have gotten JUST enough support in a pretty sympathetic performance, to let at least Glenn and Melanie cancel each other out. I suspect those 3 actresses got most most of the votes and that it was VERY close.

I also suspect that Sigourney's double nomination actually cost her winning Supporting. I suspect she would have won, if that was her only category.

R408 I was 21 at the time and remember it quite well. I think Sigourney split the vote with Michelle Pfeiffer whose career was getting quite hot at the time, along with Frances McDormand, allowing Geena to sneak in. Jodie had the narrative with Hinckley and she was just re-emerging out of college with acting, even though she acted sporadically while at Yale. The industry sees her as one of their own, delivering on all her early talent, which gave her the edge over Glenn and Melanie.

I don't know, I didn't think Jodie winning was a big surprise. She won the Golden Globe and a few critics awards. I never thought Melanie was going to win although she was my sentimental choice.

Maybe Hollywood knew Melanie was Coked most of the time on set.

[quote] I am shocked that Melanie was EVER the frontrunner!! Interesting... (Love Working Girl)

She wasn't. This is pure fantasy.

^^I also remember it well. Geena Davis was a big shock. Jodie was a lock. Glenn wasn't considered in the running. The oscars was her very first mention, no Globe or Sag noms, no mention by any critics' groups.

Personally, I thing Glenn gave the superior performance that year. I was thrilled she was nominated. But for the reasons mentioned, I figured she had no chance.

R413, the SAG awards started in 1995.

I was thrilled that Jodie won, but she was not a lock at all. That category was considered famously competitive.

Jodie was in a three-way TIE for Best Actress at the Golden Globes. It was a joke of an award for the three of them. She won Nat'l Board of Review. But Meryl won NYFC, Christine Lahti won LAFC, and Judy Davis won Nat Society of Film Critics, so there was absolutely no front runner which was decided by pre-cursor awards.

Glenn was on her fifth nomination in eight years. All people talked about was how overdue she was. Her film had eight nominations, including Best Picture. The Accused had one- Jodie Foster. Sorry, you can invent a narrative where Jodie Foster was the frontrunner, but it's not accurate.

New entry: Jennifer Lopez... Until this morning! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

For JLo...

Did anyone mention Taron or Christian in this thread yet ?

Did anyone mention Taron or Christian in this thread yet ?

JLD definitely thought she was unquestionably going to win an Emmy last year. In fact, Veep was probably expected to sweep the awards, last season and all. She had a good game face on, but as the evening progressed and Fleabag kept winning, her smile was getting tighter and tighter. When PWB was giving her last speech for the evening, both JLB and Amy Poehler looked like they could cut a bitch.

Such is the curse of the golden dress.

Dreyfuss had won the award a number of times previously so I didn't get the sense at all she was so concerned about losing it last year.

Fleabag was unstoppable. I was hoping Catherine O'Hara might sneak in. JLD's character was so horrible last season might have lost her some votes. She didn't even get a SAG nomination..

I think she did mind. After her loss she was being interviewed that said she had won 8 and she corrected him that 'someone told her' it was 9...

Fleabag was unstoppable. I was hoping Catherine O'Hara might sneak in. JLD's character was so horrible last season might have lost her some votes. She didn't even get a SAG nomination..

I think she did mind. After her loss she was being interviewed that said she had won 8 and she corrected him that 'someone told her' it was 9...

Okay Boomer

424, you seem dopey.

R422 when was JLD’s character not horrible?

R43 I know people who've interviewed her. SAME.

Stallone's reaction when he lost for "Rocky" is the funniest.

Frankie Grande on Big Brother thought he was gonna win America's Favorite Player.

In Close’s defence, most of us thought she was going to win. She was a non-winner who was going in with SAG/Drama Globe/Critics Choice. That’s one of the most unbeatable combos out there.

Julie Christie had SAG/Drama Globe in 2007. Only she had won before.

R180: Aniston did more than reserve a hotel room, anticipating a press conference for her nomination. The story is that she hired an awards campaign PR expert in her quest for an Oscar and paid this person a million dollars.

What's not funny is that it's the one who tirelessly campaigns, not the strongest nominee, who has a better chance of winning. Awards are just another political game.

Jennifer Anniston's best role was The Good Girl. If awards mean anything, she should have won for that role.

I think her best performance was Bad Bosses. She was also good in that Netflix movie where she was the mother of a fat girl, also good in Office Space and the Netflix murder mystery movie.

I think GH's Maura West thought she was going to win for Ava ordering her dead daughter to get out of that body bag.

People can laugh, but Jacqui M. Wood is quite good; she's perfect for B&B and played all the drama of her break up Liam. I can see why she won.

Glenn coming for that Oscar again!

R15, studios book the suites for awards. Actors don't pay for that stuff.

god ddam thats a fugly dress

she tryin for oscar yet again with her hillbilly movie attempt......eats up the scenery alive !